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-The race to the Senedd continues. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
-As the politicians -vie for your vote... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
-..we've asked five people to cut -through the slogans and the spin... | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
-..to look closely -at the parties and their policies. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
-Last week, Beti George -challenged the Liberal Democrats. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
-Only a couple of words of Welsh -were heard from that stage. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
-It's unbelievable. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
-Tonight, a look -at one of Wales's main parties. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
-He's a right-wing historian, -a political writer... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
-..and has been a columnist -for the Guardian and the Daily Mail. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
-In the 1990s, he was an adviser -to John Major's Cabinet. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
-But he says -he's now completely independent. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
-Hywel Williams. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
-Hywel Williams. - -Strangers on a train. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
-How are you? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
-How are you? - -Very well, thank you. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
-Are you ready to find out -which party you'll focus on? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
-I'm looking forward to find out. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
-It's... | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
-..Plaid! | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
-Plaid, Hywel Williams. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
-Plaid, Hywel Williams. - -The one and only. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
-Plaid Cymru. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
-How do you feel about that? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
-It's a big honour. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
-I'm looking forward -to look at that party's policies. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
-Last year, Plaid Cymru -were given a golden opportunity... | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
-..as their leader took part in the -Westminster elections TV debates. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
-Despite the attention -from the British channels... | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
-..their vote -only marginally increased in 2015. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
-The nationalists have already -tasted power in Wales... | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
-..in a coalition with Labour. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
-Opinion polls suggest another one -will be needed to form a government. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
-Are Plaid Cymru ready -for another political marriage? | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
-Here's Dylan Iorwerth. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
-# Mae 'Nghariad I'n Fenws # | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
-That, and another folk song... | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
-..suits Plaid Cymru at present -down to the ground. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
-# Old Love Easy -having lost her lover | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
-# Fol-dee-rol-dee-rol-lol -fol-dee-rol-dee-ro | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
-# Soon decided she could get another | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
-# Fol-dee-rol-dee-rol-lol -fol-dee-rol-dee-ro # | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
-The Assembly's voting system... | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
-..means that politics -is some kind of speed dating. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
-It's hard for a single party -to govern without a friend. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
-Sometimes -there's talk of a marriage... | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
-..sometimes just a quick snog -and some how do you do. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
-Just like almost every folk song, -it's a sad tale. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
-Plaid were in a close relationship -for four years... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
-..between 2007 and 2011. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
-It was a civil marriage... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
-..with flowers and confetti. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
-But it was with an older, -slick and more experienced man. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
-But for a little while, -Plaid were happy. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
-Occasionally, Ieuan even thought -that he wore the trousers. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
-Since then, -Plaid Cymru's been on the shelf. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
-Nothing apart from a few wild nights -with the same old lover... | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
-..discussing sexy matters -like the Local Government Act... | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
-..or banning e-cigarettes -in public places. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
-The next round of speed dating -is about to begin. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
-Plaid are going for bling. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:57 | |
-Little crystals with an -investment bank dangling from them. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
-Wearing more sometimes, a new -version of the Development Agency. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
-Wearing less another time... | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
-..less council tax here, -less student debt there. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
-Then, wearing a big ring -with a cluster of medical homes. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
-It's time to consider -the possibilities. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
-Do you fancy UKIP? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
-"Yuck," says Leanne. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
-The Liberal Democrats. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
-Much too small. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:45 | |
-What about the Tories? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
-No way. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
-What a choice. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
-Flirting with all those and going -against the Welsh folk song... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
-..which, translated, means "the one -who loves many can be without one." | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
-Or the other choice is to end -the night with the same fellow. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
-The one who's still there... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
-..despite the arguments. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
-The question is, as noted by -Labour minister Leighton Andrews... | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
-..in his own sensitive way -is how much does the date cost? | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
-That's why Plaid Cymru -are trying to look good. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
-They want flowers, a slap-up -and to order anything they fancy. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
-There's one other possibility... | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
-..that the party of Leanne Wood -becomes a Leanne Sisterhood. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
-But you'd need a hymn for that. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
-But how will Plaid Cymru -try to persuade you? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
-Since the starting whistle -for the race to the Senedd... | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
-..Hywel Williams has been looking -at what they have to offer. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
-I think that establishing -Plaid Cymru in 1925... | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
-..was the only -truly interesting thing... | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
-..to happen in Welsh politics -in the 20th century. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
-The party is important -in our family history. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
-My father was a Plaid Cymru -parliamentary candidate in the '70s. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
-But I have a problem -with today's Plaid Cymru. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
-I want to know -what their identity is. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
-It's important to know -what they stand for. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
-For me, the economy is the most -important question in this election. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
-Almost 20 years since the start -of administrative devolution... | 0:07:55 | 0:08:01 | |
-..Wales is poorer -than it was in the early '90s. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
-So, for Plaid Cymru people... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
-..what's the most important reason -for the poverty in Wales? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:14 | |
-Second question. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
-Looking at Wales' national income... | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
-..two thirds of that money... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
-..comes in the form of -government expenditure. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
-So, for every three pounds -in your pocket... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
-..two comes from the government. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
-Is that a good idea? | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
-Or is it a problem? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
-Where is this show? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:48 | |
-Where is this show? - -In here. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
-I've made a sacrifice. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
-I'm here at eight in the morning... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
-..to listen to a political speech -by Adam Price. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
-I want to find out -why Wales is so poor... | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
-..and how things can be changed. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
-We need a different model. -A Nordic model if you like. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
-We're going to slash the economic -gap between Wales and the UK. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
-These are ambitious goals, -they require radical reform... | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
-..which goes much deeper than -structural change or reorganization. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
-That was an essay, not a speech. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
-It was an essay -about the nature of government... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
-..by a guy who thinks -that a government offers answers. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
-Your fifth gospel - a smart state. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
-A smart state is to do with size. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
-But I don't understand -why size is so important. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:03 | |
-A government is one partner. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
-There are some things -that only governments can do. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
-A sensible government -is my version of a smart state. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
-A sensible government... | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-..understands that there are things -I can do and I can change. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
-But there are also things -that I can only do... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
-..in partnership with other people. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
-The type of behaviour -we've seen in the private sector. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
-I'm leaving Cardiff... | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
-..the headquarters -of the public sector in Wales... | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
-..and going to Carmarthenshire. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
-What do the people on the street -think about Plaid Cymru? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
-Plaid Cymru do good work. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
-I think that someone who speaks -Welsh should lead the party. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:55 | |
-I don't think they'd do any worse -than what we've got. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
-I'm meeting Simon Thomas. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
-I want to ask him... | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
-..how the party intends to create -more jobs in the private sector. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
-Plaid's looked closely -at the private sector... | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
-..over the last five years... | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
-..and the way we can marry -our belief in social justice... | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
-..with the development -of the private sector in Wales. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
-We want to cut business rates... | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
-..and invest in -a new development agency for Wales. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
-I think it's very important that we -put skills at the top of the agenda. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
-We should be talking about the need -for young people in Wales... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
-..to develop top-quality skills. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
-After the break... | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
-..Hywel Williams tells us -his conclusions about Plaid Cymru. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
-And I interview their leader, -Leanne Wood. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
-Are you First Minister material? -Are you tough enough? | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
-I wouldn't have put myself forward -as candidate for First Minister... | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
-..if I didn't think -I was up to the job. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
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-Welcome back. Tonight, -we're looking at Plaid Cymru. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
-Shortly, I'll be speaking -to their leader, Leanne Wood. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
-Before that, how does the historian, -Hywel Williams see their chances? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
-I've been invited to join -two of Plaid Cymru's candidates... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
-..while they're out canvasing -on the streets of Cardiff. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
-They are Neil McEvoy -and Helen Mary Jones. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
-There's one very important, basic -question about Welsh politics... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
-..that's never asked. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
-Two thirds of our national income -is governmental spending. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:59 | |
-Some form of public spending. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
-Is that healthy or unhealthy? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
-Should it be more -or should it be less? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
-Those jobs are, -of course, important. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
-We saw that moving jobs -because of devolution... | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
-..has been important -in keeping communities going. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
-In the long term, -we can't depend on them. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
-It's a cyclical situation. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
-If Plaid Cymru is ambitious and -want to see Wales look after itself. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
-That means financially. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
-To do that, we'll have to pay -for our public services. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
-That means we have to develop -our private sector. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
-Is it an integral part -of Wales's economic future... | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
-..to have more jobs -in the private sector? | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
-Of course, naturally. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
-Helen Mary, -is Plaid Cymru left wing? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
-Yes. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
-A left wing party that wants -to develop the private sector? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
-A left wing party that wants -to work with the private sector. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
-A left wing party that wants -to cut the public sector? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
-No, I didn't say -we'd cut the public sector. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
-We need to ensure we don't depend on -jobs in the public sector. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
-We can keep the public sector going -through more private sector jobs. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
-I'm back here to find out -what Plaid Cymru's message is... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
-..and what's in their manifesto -for the assembly election. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
-There are three things for me that -you need in a political message. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
-It needs to be original, -concise and believable. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
-Please welcome the leader -of Plaid Cymru, Leanne Wood. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
-Here's Leanne Wood to present -a political lecture... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
-..or teach us a lesson. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
-Good morning everyone and welcome. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
-Today, we in Plaid Cymru -are unveiling our vision... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
-..for building up this country. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
-The party of Wales -wants to build a well Wales. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
-Saving and securing our NHS. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
-Would you say that is -in fact concise? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
-I ask you to give Plaid Cymru -a mandate... | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
-..so that we can deliver -the change Wales needs, thank you. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
-Any manifesto needs to be clear, -concise and original... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:41 | |
-..if the party writing it -wants to be elected. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
-I want to ask what explains why -Wales is such a poor country? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:53 | |
-How are you going to enrich Wales? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
-One of the most -important things I see... | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
-..is that we've had a brain drain -over decades and centuries. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
-Our best people have felt they need -to leave to realise their dreams. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
-I'd like to see more done to attract -those people back to Wales. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
-It'll turn our economy around, help -us reach our educational targets... | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
-..and strengthen the health service. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
-You haven't answered my question. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
-You haven't answered my question. - -It wasn't concise. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
-It was almost believable. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-So here's the image -of the Paddington express... | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
-..leaving for Cardiff and Swansea -and from Euston to North Wales. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
-Thousands of Welsh people -return home. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
-What are Plaid Cymru going to do to -get them back in the first place? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
-We've already said that -we'll write off up to 18,000... | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
-..of the student loans of people -who return to work in Wales. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
-I think there are opportunities -for investment... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
-..we're going to put into -research in our universities. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
-You'll have to create -a lot of wealth in Wales... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
-..to start on this manifesto. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
-Yes, we understand the scale -of the challenge ahead of us. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
-That's why we can see -the ambition we're presenting... | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
-..and the ideas we're presenting -in the manifesto. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
-We need a change... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
-..but it needs to be on a scale -we haven't seen for decades. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
-I asked on the way in, -let's find the answer. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
-Are the answers -in this manifesto concise? | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
-There's no suggestion of that. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
-Is it believable? | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
-I would think that some of these -people in Plaid Cymru... | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
-..would make very good ministers. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
-I think there will be a battle -for Plaid Cymru's leadership soon. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:50 | |
-With the best will in the world... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
-..it's difficult to see -Leanne Wood as First Minister. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
-Are the party offering -something original? | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
-In my opinion, no. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
-They've got old answers here. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
-Answers about the nature -of government. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
-Create more jobs... | 0:18:08 | 0:18:09 | |
-The answers about funding -were a bit foggy. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
-With the fifth of May nearing... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
-..what is the message -for Plaid Cymru's leader? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
-How realistic are their hopes... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
-..of playing a role -within Wales' next government? | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
-Leanne Wood was elected as -the leader of Plaid Cymru in 2012. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
-She's the first woman -to lead the party at the Assembly... | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-..and the first Welsh learner. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
-Now, the girl from the valleys... | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
-..wants to break the mould again by -becoming First Minister for Wales. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
-I've been looking at your pledges -for the election. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
-You promise a better Wales. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
-Why is the message not getting -through to people? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
-I don't accept that it's not. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
-We've spent an awful lot of time, -my team of excellent candidates... | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
-..going up and down the country -talking to people. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
-First of all asking them -what they're problems are... | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
-..so we can go away and come up -with solutions to those problems. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
-And then secondly, going around -and talking to people about them. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
-We've had a very positive response. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
-Are you trying to be -everything to everyone? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
-Well, wealthy, clever, liked -essentially but pleasing no one. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
-We're putting together -a programme of government... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
-..that will tackle the major -problems facing this country. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
-They are chiefly in the areas of -health, education and the economy. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
-Those areas are covered by all -the parties. What sets you apart? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
-What's your unique selling point? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
-The only party in this election... | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
-..that puts Wales at the heart of -everything it does is Plaid Cymru. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
-That's what sets us apart. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
-The valleys have got -a strong Welsh identity... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
-..why isn't Plaid Cymru managing -to tap into that identity? | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
-More people are turning -to the UK Independence Party... | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
-..than the Party of Wales. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
-Why are you talking up UKIP -all the time? | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
-I'm asking a question based on -facts from the general election. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
-We've heard a lot of people, -commentators in the media... | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
-..talking up UKIP's chances -in this election. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
-They are a party riddled -with in-fighting. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
-I've launched -a programme of government... | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
-..that will transform -this nation in a generation. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
-We've got 180 policies. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
-We've spoken to 700,000 people -to put that manifesto together. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
-I don't want to talk about UKIP. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
-I want to talk about Plaid Cymru -and our policies to transform Wales. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
-UKIP is an interesting one. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
-They've stuck Independence -in their name. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
-Why aren't you -taking that bold step? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
-You're shying away -from it publicly. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
-We've asked people -what their chief concerns are. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
-Whilst we recognise -that the constitution is key... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-..in terms of delivering -improvements in people's lives... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
-..what people are telling us -is that the issues around health... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
-..education and the economy... | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
-..are the ones they want us -to take action on. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
-The big slogan for this election -for you is The Change Wales Needs. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
-Ironically, it's similar -to the Tories' slogan. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
-If your ambitions are so similar... | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
-..why have you ruled out -working with them? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
-For people in many parts of Wales, -the Tories are a toxic brand. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-If your core ambition -is changing things for Wales... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
-..changing the course of things -and the government in Wales... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
-..isn't it ridiculous to rule out... | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
-..the only realistic option you have -of booting Labour out? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
-We want to be in government -and implement our programme. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
-But not at any expense. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
-Putting Tories into government... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
-..having them look after our health -service, our education system... | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
-..you only need to look over the -border to see why it's a bad idea. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
-Aren't you running the risk of being -another cheap date for Labour. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
-I'm not talking about coalitions -in this election. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
-We've put forward -a programme of government. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
-It's up to people to vote -on that programme. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
-The extent to which we get that -programme in to government... | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
-..depends on how people vote. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
-Leanne Wood, leader of Plaid Cymru, -are you First Minister material? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
-Are you tough enough? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:24 | |
-Let's wait and see what the people -of Wales say about that. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
-Do you believe you're tough enough? | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
-Of course I do, -I wouldn't be in this position... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
-..I wouldn't have -put myself forward... | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
-..as a candidate -for the leader of Plaid Cymru... | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
-..and I certainly wouldn't put -myself forward for First Minister... | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
-..if I didn't think -I was up to the job. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
-Does it upset you -to hear people talk about... | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
-..potentially replacing you... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
-..with people like -Rhun ap Iorwerth or Adam Price? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-It makes me quite amused -to be honest. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
-Some people seem to be unable -to recognise how people... | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
-..can work collectively together -without competition... | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
-..in order to achieve -a certain set of goals and aims. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
-If you're not First Minister -after May 5th... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
-..will you step down as leader? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
-My project is a long-term one. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:11 | |
-It's about building a nation, -it's about transforming an economy. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
-It's a big job, -it's a long term project. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
-This election -is one step towards that project. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
-It certainly isn't -the be all and end all of it. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
-That's it for tonight. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:30 | |
-Next week, former First Minister -Rhodri Morgan takes a look at UKIP. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
-Join us next Tuesday at 9.30pm. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
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