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Welcome back. Who is responsible for keeping Wales healthy? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
What is a fair wage? Those are the topics for tonight's Y Sgwrs. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Welcome. We have already heard about the Welsh Government's plans to | 0:00:16 | 0:00:22 | |
improve our health, but is the nanny state alive and well? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
And what makes a fair wage? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
It is 15 years since the minimum wage was introduced. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
We'll hear about the experience of one woman who lives on just | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
over £6 an hour. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
At one point I was so skint, I had to wash my clothes in the bath. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
At that point I felt very low. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
I said, how long do I have to carry on like this before things improve? | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
But first tonight, our guests. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:52 | |
Vaughan is here to analyse, as usual. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Joining us is the Conservative Harri Lloyd Davies | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
and the former paediatrician Dr Dewi Evans, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
who is also a town councillor for Plaid Cymru in Carmarthen town. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
And joining us from our studio in London is former Labour Assembly | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
Member Delyth Evans, who will be standing in the Carmarthen West | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
and South Pembrokeshire constituency at next year's General Election. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
Welcome to you all. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
As we heard on Newyddion, the Welsh Government has announced | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
plans to try and tackle some of Wales' biggest health problems. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
According to Health Minister Mark Drakeford, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
the measures continue the radical public health traditions of Wales. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
But do they go too far? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
Do we need help from the Government to live more healthily? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
That question has been asked a number of times in the past. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:58 | |
Headlines from a few centuries ago showed the Government was | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
worried about public health. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
23 out of every 1,000 people would die. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:15 | |
There was no help from the authorities. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:22 | |
It was personal responsibility, but it was believed that the | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
Government should do more to improve public health. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
In 1848, the first Public Health Act was passed, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:36 | |
and that was in order to cut the number of deaths. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
Steel bars protect your child from the obvious killers. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
This advert from the 1950s is a health warning. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:52 | |
Immunisation. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
British ministers have been legislating on public health | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
legislation. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
You have examples such as wearing seat belts, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
banning smoking in public places and hygiene. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:18 | |
According to Dr Myfanwy Davies, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
it is too early to assess the success of the most recent policies. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
The problem is, it works over a long time. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
You cannot say for certain that anything works, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
which has been decided by the Assembly. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
There is support for the policies on smoking in public, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:50 | |
but it will take a generation to prove that it has made a difference. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:58 | |
Let's come back to the present. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
The latest White Paper from the Welsh Government has | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
recommended banning e-cigarettes in public places. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
But what do students think? Where are they? | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
They are not in the library, that would be far too obvious. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
We live in a state with a National Health Service. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
It is only fair that the Government can give guidelines. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:32 | |
They are there to serve us. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
It is up to the individual to see what is good and bad. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
The Government can pass on the information. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
I have never smoked myself, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
but you would not think about seeing someone smoke in a pub now. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:53 | |
According to a Conservative MP, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
the Welsh Government is going too far when it comes to e-cigarettes. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
There is no excuse for this. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
It is a nanny state, and politicians and the Government thinking | 0:05:06 | 0:05:13 | |
they know better than anyone else. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
How people should live their lives. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
But the truth is, the Health Service is under more pressure than ever | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
and treating patients for alcohol | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
and tobacco-related problems is one major factor in this. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
It is not surprising the Government is trying to intervene. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
As a doctor, does the Government need to help in order to get | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
the message across? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:53 | |
These new cigarettes help people who want to give up smoking. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
We have to welcome that. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
But they get their nicotine fix through these e-cigarettes. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:07 | |
As a paediatrician, there is | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
a tendency on behalf of young people to experiment. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
I hope they do not experiment with these artificial cigarettes | 0:06:15 | 0:06:24 | |
and then get an addiction for those. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
I believe the Government is doing the right thing. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
I can understand both sides of the argument, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
but I would ban these cigarettes in public paces. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
Your party says it is about being a nanny state? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Something like this worries me. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
I do not think we have seen enough testing to show that we need | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
this legislation. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
It will be very difficult to ban these, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
more so than it was to ban smoking. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:06 | |
It is just something that worries the minister. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:14 | |
I do not think the evidence is there. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
That is a fair point. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
There is no strong evidence, is the minister jumping the gun? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:28 | |
I do not think so. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
I think this point of stamping out a bad habit before it gets too | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
much is a good thing. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
We heard this morning that companies that produce these | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
cigarettes are targeting young people. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
They can see a possible market. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
It is not yet clear how damaging these are. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
But you do try and change behaviour. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
What I welcome from these measures is the suggestion that we | 0:07:55 | 0:08:02 | |
will have a minimum number of units of alcohol being set. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:10 | |
There are clear connections between setting prices for alcohol | 0:08:12 | 0:08:20 | |
and illnesses. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
Vaughan, Mark Drakeford has said it is a duty | 0:08:27 | 0:08:35 | |
and priority for any Government to protect public health. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
The secret here for any Government is to be one step | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
ahead of public opinion. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:50 | |
You cannot go too far ahead. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
When the drink-driving ban was introduced, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
that was very controversial. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Car manufacturers had to place seat belts in cars, and it | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
was another 20 years before that was legislated upon. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:11 | |
I do not think the public opinion has | 0:09:11 | 0:09:19 | |
formed concerning e-cigarettes yet. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
We have discussed these nudge policies, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
encouraging people to act in a certain way. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
But to introduce a ban is a different thing, isn't it? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
I do not think it is heavy-handed, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
but perhaps it is coming into early for public opinion. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
The reason for banning smoking in public places was very | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
successful, because the public would police it. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
The public would confront someone who was lighting up in a bar. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:58 | |
It is not clear, when someone is using an e-cigarette, if there was | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
evidence concerning second-hand smoke with proper cigarettes. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
We do not have that evidence with these cigarettes yet. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:20 | |
Talking about that, imagine someone trying to give up smoking, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:27 | |
they try these e-cigarettes, but then they have to go out into | 0:10:27 | 0:10:33 | |
the smoking section, but they will start smoking again, won't they? | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
I do not think the minister | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
and the Welsh Government would have made a suggestion like this unless | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
they had looked into it carefully and considered it thoroughly. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
I agree, it is early days, and I agree with what | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
Vaughan Roderick said about public opinion not having formed yet. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
But we want to make sure there is no | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
difference between the different types of smoking, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
and they do not want young people to get sucked into bad habits. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
People can get into a habit, and there is a danger there, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
which is what we want to avoid. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
Is there a danger that these will become fashionable, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
because the packets are colourful, and they can be trendy? | 0:11:23 | 0:11:30 | |
I do not smoke them but a lot of people do. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Perhaps they could become fashionable, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
but to make them fashionable, we just need to ban them. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
We should wait and see. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
Alcohol - as a doctor, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
do you think setting a minimum price is a good thing? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
It has worked in Finland | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
and in other countries. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
That is the best thing you can do to | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
cut down alcohol consumption. You need to put the price up. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
I would welcome a policy which bans the sale of alcohol in supermarkets. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:09 | |
I believe alcohol should only be for sale in pubs. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
But people like these bargains that you can get in supermarkets. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:19 | |
People who drink one bottle of wine a week would suffer, wouldn't they? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:26 | |
If you are addicted to alcohol, then you are addicted to alcohol. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:34 | |
It is a terrible disease, and it will kill you. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:44 | |
I am not sure how you can stop that, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
because people will find some way of getting hold of it. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Hardly anyone drinks nothing. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:57 | |
More than 80% of alcohol consumption happens in the home, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:03 | |
that is the danger. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
The minimum price? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
I think it is something that will be included. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
They have tried to do it in England. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
I do not know why it needs to happen in Wales first. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Why can't it be introduced across Britain at the same time? | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
I do not understand it. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
There is a danger that Wales could become a tough place to do business. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:34 | |
Do they have the power, Vaughan? | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
The Government insists that there is a similar scheme in Scotland. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
The Government would not have included it in the White Paper | 0:13:43 | 0:13:49 | |
unless it could be turned into legislation. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:58 | |
There could be a challenge from one of the alcohol companies, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:05 | |
but the Welsh Government has tended to win these arguments in the past. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:14 | |
When we talk about the nanny state, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
are we seeing more of it across the world? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:25 | |
What is striking is that we are becoming less liberal | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
in some ways, but more liberal in other ways. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
It is a process. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
We have just seen a very liberal change when it comes to the | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
marriage laws, but then we are clamping down on other things. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:52 | |
Public values change from time to time. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
Things change as societies change. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:05 | |
-There is now going to be a consultation process? -Yes, 12 weeks. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
I would think the Government has the numbers in the Assembly to | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
get this through, but they will be looking at it closely. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:20 | |
A number of Assembly members supported the ban on smoking, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
but perhaps they are not so convinced on this. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:32 | |
The minimum wage is celebrating its anniversary. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
It currently stands at £6.31, but the TUC says it is too low. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:44 | |
The union wants employers to pay a living wage of £7.65 an hour | 0:15:44 | 0:15:50 | |
to meet living costs. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
Recently, the union has also criticised zero hours | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
contracts where workers don't have any certainty of regular work. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
Y Sgwrs has been talking to a woman from Cardiff who has | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
experience of living on the minimum wage. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
I'm Efa Thomas. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
I am 23 years old, I graduated last summer. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:21 | |
Since then, I have had two jobs. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
The first one was in a bar, it paid £6.31 an hour. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
Living on the minimum wage is difficult. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
It is especially difficult in the winter. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
I live in a house, and it is very cold. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
The energy prices are going up | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
so I could barely afford to warm the house. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
At one point, I was so skint. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Because of that, I had to wash my clothes in the bath. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
At that point I felt really low. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
How long would I have to scrape by before things improved? | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
I believe the minimum wage should be a living wage, there is | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
no reason why it should not be. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
It is just so that companies can make more profit. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
I cannot see another reason for it. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
I respect companies who say they will pay the living wage | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
are those that will lead the way for other companies. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
I have friends who have zero hour contracts, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
and I think the idea is ridiculous. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
It should be banned. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
How are you supposed to have any stability in life | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
when you do not know how many hours you will work? | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
I believe part of the problem is that there isn't much work around. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
No matter what work you do, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
you are made to feel that you are lucky to have work. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
For the politicians who make the decisions, I would say, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:04 | |
put yourself in our shoes. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
Those of us who have to work on low wages. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:12 | |
Stop looking after the big companies who make profits. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
Give people who are trying to earn a living more respect. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
The experiences of Efa Thomas. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
Harri Lloyd Davies, where do you stand on this, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
are you in favour of the minimum wage but not ready for the living wage? | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
The minimum wage has helped people on small wages to get an increase. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:40 | |
But the living wage is unproven, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
it's something drawn up by someone from Loughborough University. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
How can you have a living wage that is fair for every area? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
It should be made clear that the figure is not easy to work out. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:58 | |
Somewhere like West Wales is going to create problems, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
because people will not be able to afford to pay these wages. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
-Could you live on the minimum wage? -I haven't tried, to be honest. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
You need flexibility. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
It helps companies to be more flexible. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
People would be better off working than not working. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:23 | |
There is a danger, if you try to increase wages too quickly. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
Are you in favour of the living wage? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
Certainly. £7.65 is not a big wage. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
The best way to improve health is to tackle poverty. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
The best way to tackle poverty is to make sure that people | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
have an income, and they have work. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
What about the employers who can't afford this? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
We have had a minimum wage for some time now, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
and it has not led to a fall in employees. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
We still have more people in work than are unemployed. | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
That was the right wing's scare tactic | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
when the minimum wage was introduced. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
It did not lead to a loss of jobs. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
If you lift the wage to this figure | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
which they have called a living wage, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
perhaps it will be too much. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
When you look at countries where the minimum wages are more than Britain, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
they have less unemployment and people are healthier. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
We must learn from these countries. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
Delyth Evans, George Osborne wants full employment, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
he wants a minimum wage that increases faster than inflation. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
He's stolen your ideas?! | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
Everyone knows this is a political tactic from George Osborne. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
He has not spoken about this before. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
He is trying to step on Labour ground. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Ed Miliband has led the way and talked about this, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
and he has said that when Labour are elected, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
they would encourage companies to pay a living wage | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
by offering lower taxes. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
He is trying to encourage people to move towards this. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:15 | |
People are finding it difficult because of poverty. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:22 | |
I worked for John Smith, the leader of the Labour Party, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
when the minimum wage policy was brought forward. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
The Conservatives said at the time that people would lose jobs | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
and it would be terrible for the economy. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
There was no effect at all on jobs. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
We have had all of this before. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
What is interesting now is that all parties say | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
they welcome the minimum wage. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
The debate has moved on, and I welcome that. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
The gap between the parties has closed on this? | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
The Conservatives know, once you lose a political battle, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
there is no point going over it again. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Labour has proved that its policy was correct. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
Nobody would like to go back to a situation | 0:22:06 | 0:22:12 | |
where it was possible for people to be paid hardly anything. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
When it comes to whether or not the living wage is affordable, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
some councils in Wales use it already, don't they? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
Yes, and this is not a party political thing. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
But the councils are facing a difficult economic time, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
even some Labour councils have said they cannot afford it. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:43 | |
There are even some Labour councils who use zero-hours contracts. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:51 | |
What about these contracts, are they fair? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
I think they work. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
At the end of the day, they are used by these companies | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
who do not really want to use them. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
You want to employ staff who will be with you for years, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
but sometimes, you have to be flexible, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
to get people in to help you out when large contracts come in. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
But people cannot afford to rent houses, get mortgages? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:22 | |
That is why you would not want to employ people in this manner. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
You want good people who stay with you. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
I think the rules have to be the same for the employer | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
and the employee. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
It is easy for an employer to get someone in at the start | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
of their career, youngsters, and maybe for those | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
who have been unemployed for some time. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
It is good for them to have flexibility. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
-So they can be justified? -But after a period, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
if someone has worked for someone for six months or so, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
then the rights should change and they should have the same rights. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:09 | |
I do not think this is something | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
that someone should have to suffer from for life. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
People need certainty that they will have a job tomorrow. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
Currently, someone can demand that you are sat at home | 0:24:21 | 0:24:27 | |
and not take another job in case you're needed next week. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:33 | |
Thanks. Delyth, thanks for joining us from London. Time has flown. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
Thanks to our guests and to you for your company. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
We will be taking a break over Easter | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
but we will be back on 30 April. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Until then, goodbye. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 |