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Good afternoon. Welcome to the programme and our weekly coverage of

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questions to the First Minister. After a week away from Cardiff the

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politicians are back and Carwyn Jones will and the questions on

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superfast broadband is as well as city regions. You can follow the

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latest on Welsh politics on our Twitter feed. Business in the

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Chamber is underway, so let's take a look now at today's questions to the

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First Minister. Order, order, the National Assembly is in question.

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Question one. John Griffiths. Will the First Minister make a statement

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on community volunteering? Volunteers make a vital contribution

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to our communities, we support volunteers and have given ?6 million

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to the infrastructure and organisations including ?600,000 in

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core funding for the Gwent Association for voluntary

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organisations. I think everybody here would agree that across the

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length and breadth of Wales volunteers do amazing jobs in so

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many different ways, and without that contribution many aspects of

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life in our communities would grind to a halt. Would he agree that we

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need to reward and support of volunteers. An important way of

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doing this is the time banking service. It provides free access to

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leisure, entertainment and other services. We need to support and

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roll out time bugging across Wales. I find the member for his question.

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It is a way of recognising people's worth. It is a way of incentivising

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action and involvement. We have provided a way of incentivising

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action and involvement. We have 2015 to develop the time banking movement

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in Wales. First Minister, ahead of Remembrance

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Sunday it is important that we acknowledge the dedication and hard

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work of community volunteers across Wales and in my own constituency who

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tirelessly sell poppies to raise money for the Poppy Appeal this

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support is vital to the Royal British Legion to give support to

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service women and their families and reminds us how much has been given

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by this to this country. We use join me in paying tribute to all those

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who give their time and energy so that we may remember and support

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those who have given so much more for our country?

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Yes, I join the member in those sentiments. It has been a noticeable

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at this year that there are more poppy sellers than previous years.

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I've seen many people wearing their poppies. With Remembrance Sunday

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coming up this Sunday many people's minds will be focused on the

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sacrifice that has been made. It is encouraging to see more and more

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poppies sold every year. Julie Morgan.

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Will the First Minister join me in current graduate in the Cardiff

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Samaritans which celebrates its 50th anniversary this year. It is one of

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the oldest continuously operating charities in South Wales. It gives

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confidential support at all times to people suffering from emotional

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distress. Yes, I would, and I thank the member

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for bringing this milestone to my attention. Also my thanks to the

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Cardiff and district branch of the Samaritans on behalf of the Welsh

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government. Without the important work they do many people would not

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have been able to overcome great difficulty in their lives. It is

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right to say that there are some people who would not be with us now

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if it wasn't for the advice they were given.

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Thank you, dirty Presiding Officer, we all know that the public purse

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continues and that puts more pressure on volunteers to step into

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the breach. Would you join me in congratulating Conwy County Borough

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Council when it comes to the remaining with their library

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permission. Many libraries have now been transferred to the community.

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There are several examples of that. Would you join with me in

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congratulating them on that approach. Can we look at that model

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specifically when looking at the future of libraries?

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This is a model that has been developed in other parts of Wales as

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well, for example a library in Neath Port Talbot, volunteers have taken

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the library at Briton Ferry over. They have actually secured the

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future of that library. We know with real is serious

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pressure on the public purse and it's good to see people taking local

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resources and keeping them open for the benefit of local people. It's

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good to see the library survive. It's good to see this model being

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adopted in other areas. First Minister, last Saturday I

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visited the headquarters of a hospice at home in our breast lift,

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a charity which is community-based and offers end of life care to --

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Aber mistress. It deals with rural hinterland communities. It has

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already established a high-quality service agenda stands the needs of

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people at the end of their lives. And the important need for support

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for their families. Will you join me in praising the hard work of the

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volunteers of hospice at home Ceredigion, and is subject to daily

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pressure consider accepting a bit invitation to visit them.

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I would be pleased to consider the invitation. If a formal invitation

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goes through the normal channels. What's interesting is that the work

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that the member describes involves enabling people to stay at home

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rather than having to go into a hospice. That has been a major

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change in the NHS. Instead of it being overly hospital-based as a

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case of stem people are able to stay at home. It is important that their

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pain is managed in a familiar environment. Of course, that depends

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on the good work of hospice is at home to give people that option.

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Question two, Gwyn Price. Will the First Minister outline how the Welsh

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government is supporting local high-street businesses in my

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constituency? We have a further cap on the

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business rates multiply and the extension of small business rates

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relief as well as the enhancement of the Wales retail scheme.

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Thank you for that answer. On Saturday the 5th of November we

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celebrate small business Saturday. Last year over 60 million people is

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shopped in small businesses on the day, what is the government doing to

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make sure that small businesses are aided in my constituency?

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What's more businesses need more than anything else is customers.

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It's important that if people don't use small businesses they will

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disappear. Small business Saturday is on the 5th of December. Business

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Wales proposed to support the activity around that Iran including

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supporting the SPS UK team when they visit Wales. I know that the

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businesses marketplace initiative will support small businesses on

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that Saturday by providing trading experiences in Cardiff market as

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well as phase two showcase and celebrate micro and small Welsh

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businesses. The entrepreneurship campaign that was launched as part

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of an integrated support scheme for small businesses in Wales.

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Thank you, deputy providing officer. The UK Government has announced that

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is to allow local authorities in England to keep money they collect

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from business rates, to boost and create jobs in the areas, what

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studies has the Welsh government undertaken into the potential

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benefits of this policy on businesses in Wales, will we be

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considering the same sort of policy here?

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There is a large pitfall here. Some local authorities would lose out as

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a result of such a system in Wales. The element of cross subsidy

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disappears, we would lose about ?4 million a year. We have to consider

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allowing local authorities the flexibility they need without them

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losing out in terms of access to a smaller part of money in times of

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financial difficulty. Well, First Minister, you are right.

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Too many people are shopping online. Get out should be called. Many of

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our high streets are home to historic buildings that fall into

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disuse or distributor as town centres decline. Could these

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buildings be used again for a purpose and related to traditional

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shopping as we have come to know it?

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Local authorities are taking steps to redesign the mix within town

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centres. In Bridgend there are too many shop units and not enough

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offices. It means there are not enough office workers in town to

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provide footfall for units. We are converting some of the shop units

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into offices and residential units as well. We need to make sure there

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are people in town centres in the day and evening. There are many town

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centres which don't have a footfall any longer. They are open between

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9am and 5:30pm when there is no one around. They come back when the

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shops aren't open. We need to look at making sure that footfall is

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there in the day, that means offices. Businesses need to start

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thinking about whether you're after open 9am until five or whether 11am

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until 7pm is a better model. I now call the party leaders to

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question me First Minister, starting with the leader of Plaid Cymru,

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Leanne Wood. Plaid Cymru welcomes your statement this morning about

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cutting waiting times for people with mental health issues from

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trying to dig a 56 to 28 days. I would like to ask you about child

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and adolescent mental health services in the community. You will

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be a way that the repercussions for children and young people waiting

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too long for mental health treatment can be lifelong. What plans do you

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have two improvement of health services for children and young

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people? We have an additional ?800,000 in

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expanding provision for children and adolescents. Health board proposals

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have been agreed. They will result in the recruitment of more

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specialist staff across Wales to work with primary care providers and

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directly support young people in primary care. That is expected to

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improve in terms of assessment and treatment. Evidence suggests that

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around one third of young people referred have no mental illness if I

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can put it that way, a further third have low level difficulty which do

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not meet treatment thresholds. Expanding primary care means more

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young people can be assessed and receive appropriate treatment

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without onward referral being needed. This helps to free up time

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for those in more need of the services that the agency provide. It

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is important that we have different ways of helping young people with

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mental health issues. Some will not need specialist treatment, but we

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are working with the health minister to make sure that treatment is

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available. I accept that there needs to be a

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range of treatments, but perhaps you can shed light on official figures

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that show that between 2009 and 2014 there was a reduction in spending on

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child and adult mental health services in primary care of ?2

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million, leaving the overall spend on those crucial services at ?5.1

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million. I am aware that the mental health measure in 2012 we

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categorised some funding streams, and that might mean official

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statistics don't tell us the full picture, can you give us an

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assurance that there has not been cut in funding for community mental

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health services for children and young people over this period? And

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are you prepared to publish the details and make them available in

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the library as soon as possible? Varies no reason why that shouldn't

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be done. In terms of the investment we made in mental health services

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and, of course, the 7.6 million that has gone in, we will see new

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services developer for our young people with new services developer

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for our young people with we will issue guidelines outlining our

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expectations that all referral should be undertaken within 48 hours

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by the 1st of April next year. While routine assessment should be taken

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place within 28 days. That is currently different to the situation

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that has existed. I'm still not clear as to whether or

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not you have provided an assurance as to whether or not there's been

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been cut. Almost two thirds of children are now wait longer than

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ten weeks for treatment to begin. You have made a welcome announcement

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to create a more ambitious target for adults experiencing mental

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health problems and I welcome that but will you now committed to

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tackling these appalling waiting times for treatment? And will you

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agree to set appropriate targets and back this up with a firm commitment

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to an annual real terms increase in funding for child and adolescent

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mental health services? We will look to allocate the money that is

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required for child and mental health services. It partially depends on

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the budget that we see from the government. However, we know we want

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to see improvement in this area and as I said earlier, we have issued

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guidelines on our website that referrals should take place within

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48 hours and routine assessments within 28 days. They are taxing

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targets but we expect to meet them. First Minister, two months before

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the commission of public service and government delivery publish an

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independent report, why did you instruct Sir Paul Williams as to how

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you wanted his proposals laid out presented and delivered? Unless the

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reader of the opposition gives more detail, I cannot comment. In e-mails

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we have had released to us, it clearly shows that an October, 2013,

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an e-mail sent by him on your behalf stated that you would prefer a

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series of options for proposals to reorganise local government. The

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e-mail went on to say that you wanted no heavy steer in favour of

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any particular option. Remarkably, you said that once the report was

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finalised, only you and your permanent secretary should be given

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a copy. Nobody else, not even your local government minister. That

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e-mail went on the 27th of December. The commission was supposed to

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independently review public services in Wales. Why did you instruct it to

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spend ?130,000 commissioning report, and then Pinzi proposals? I am at a

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loss to understand what the Leader of the Opposition is trying to say.

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-- and then bin the proposals. I did not want to give them the heavy

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steer, that is the whole point. I took the view of the Williams

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Commission that I wanted them to be independent, and to come up with an

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option, if they could, but they had a free hand to deliver another

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option. There was no steer, as the e-mail confirms. The principle of

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the Williams Commission was to be independent. It was left to get on

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with its work and come forward with proposals. These e-mails clearly

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show that your officials, and yourself, were supporting the work

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of the commission, and directing how you wanted the final report to

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resemble your own thoughts on local government reorganisation. The issue

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is quite clear, that you and your officials were directing what

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everyone else thought was an independent commission. Do you not

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recognise that this is now calling into question any findings of the

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Williams Commission, as brought forward in the final report? That is

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an example of someone who asked a question and then realised it was a

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mistake. Let me make it clear that the Williams Commission asks whether

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there would be options and my preference was that there should be

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an option. It was for them to make a decision and they were given a free

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hand in that. If anyone can point out to me what is wrong with that, I

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am open to suggestions but this is a scenario where an independent body,

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with a member of the Conservative Party sitting on it, was not

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directed in any way by government. There is no point shouting now. They

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were not given any steer as to what they should be doing. They were left

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to provide an independent report in any way they saw fit. They were

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given no heavy steer, as suggested by the e-mail. A perfectly proper

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way to do this. Can I return to the issue of mental health? You will be

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aware that the Welsh Liberal Democrats have long campaigned for

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parity between physical and mental health. The government announcement

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today that waiting targets will be taken from 52 to 28 days is very

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welcome. Can you confirm that a patient awaiting therapy will

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receive that therapy within 28 days? We expect to see that. Thank you for

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that clarity and commitment. As the government will be aware, setting a

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target is one thing and meeting it is quite another. Given that your

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own government's review found that some people are waiting up to two

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years to access psychological therapy, how many extra

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professionals and extra patient appointments will be created in

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order to fulfil your promise that you have made in this chamber that

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people needing psychological therapy will receive it within 28 days? As I

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said, and I will give the answer, health proposals have been agreed

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and they will result in the recruitment of more specialist staff

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across Wales to work with primary care providers and support young

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people in primary care as well. Of course, we expect that to improve

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overall waiting times. I am glad for the clarity. It is really important

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for someone who has had the courage to go to the primary health care

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professional today to discuss a mental health issue to know that if

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they need to have psychological treatment, that they will receive

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that within 28 days. I think that is a massive step forward if the

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government is able to achieve that. As we heard earlier, there are over

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3000 young people in Wales currently on a waiting list. I accept that for

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many of those young people, they do not need to be in that service at

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all. Indeed, it is a positive and negative thing to be in that service

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and to have that label if that child does not need it. But there are many

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people in that service on a waiting list that desperately need a

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professional intervention and they need it quickly. Given what you have

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said about improvements to assessment times, why does the

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government think that it is acceptable for young people to wait

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after an assessment for 112 days for treatment, when you expect adults to

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only way to 28 is now? What we expect with the recruitment of new

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staff is that we will see waiting times improve. But it is also

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important to ensure that those who do not need specialist treatment get

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it quicker and get appropriate treatment in other ways. We're

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looking to do that as well, as a mission to the leader of Plaid

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Cymru. But an urgent referral in 48 hours is important, in terms of

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being able to plan for the treatment and care of a young person, and

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assessment within 20 days is a significant improvement, something

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that we are determined to see through, given the findings we have

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put in place. They're in mind that mental health in England and Wales

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has been ring fenced since 2009, but we want to make sure that there are

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more professionals involved in providing specialist advice to

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children and young people. Will the First Minister make a statement on

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the services in Wales East? We are looking to improve the access to

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health services in that area. The United Kingdom Cancer coalition, ten

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years on, report is tracking how far lung cancer outcomes and services

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have progressed over the last decade. They say that Wales have the

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second worst lung cancer survival rate in Europe. How can these issues

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be addressed, First Minister, in a relatively short period? We have

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already announced a significant investment, which will help many

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people. Radiotherapy is showing itself to be very promising when it

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comes to the treatment of bone cancer. And we know that the key to

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lung cancer is the future development of gene therapy

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targeting the individual, and we are fortunate to have the Centre for

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Cancer genetics, hosting a Nobel Prize winner, putting Wales at the

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forefront of research into this terrible disease. First Minister, of

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course these serious conditions are often picked up following routine

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appointments with the GP. Last week, a family member wanted a routine GP

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appointment. They rang the surgery and of course it was eight o'clock

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in the morning. 59 times, they rang the number before 830. Only to find

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out that the appointments had gone. I have to say, it took some tenacity

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on the part of the family member. How do you rate the accessibility of

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nonurgent GP appointments in south-east Wales? Bid in mind that

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most GPs are independent contractors, I am aware of surgeries

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where it is possible to book online evening before and possible to get

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through easily. There are other surgeries where GPs need to ensure

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that there is consistency of services. There is no reason why GPs

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shouldn't be able to offer appointments. There is no reason why

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they should not be able to offer the ability to order a repeat

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prescription online as well. I've seen good examples of this in

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Caerphilly, and in my own patch at Bridgend. I encourage all GPs to

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actually make sure that they are as accessible as they can beat and not

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just rely on saying that that is the way things were done 20 years ago.

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That is not a way that things need to be done now. The cornerstone of

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your plans for south-east Wales health care is the long promised

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specialist critical care centre. The failure to deliver the project to

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date, something that was promised to be done before the last election

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which should be open now and accepting patients, is having a

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knock-on effect as to where people are getting secondary care and is

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impacting the ability to recruit and retain trainee GPs in South Powys.

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They need to undertake an application for paediatrics at the

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Royal Gwent Hospital, travelling from rural Powys all the way to

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Gwent to undertake that part of the training, where previously they

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would only have had to travel to low Hall. This makes it a less

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attractive proposition to recruit trainee GPs to practices in South

:27:20.:27:25.

Powys. When will the SCCC be delivered? I can confirm that the

:27:26.:27:32.

health board submitted a business case for the SCCC to ourselves on

:27:33.:27:36.

the 15th of October. It was accompanied by an updated programme

:27:37.:27:40.

business case which will look at the wider health care provision for the

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area and both of those cases are now with the Welsh ministers and will

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receive full consideration. Will the First Minister outline how the Welsh

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government is helping to raise awareness of pancreatic cancer in

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Wales? Pancreatic cancer is a dreadful disease and it is usually

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detected very late. The survival rate past five years is less than 4%

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as a result of that. In awareness of -- and awareness of Greta cancer is

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essential for early diagnosis. -- pancreatic cancer. It is pancreatic

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Cancer awareness month and I have just posted an event with pancreatic

:28:31.:28:35.

Cancer UK today to market. It was clear how devastating this illness

:28:36.:28:42.

is. A recent study found that 71% of respondents in Wales could not name

:28:43.:28:46.

a single symptom on prompted and while survival rates for most forms

:28:47.:28:53.

of cancer have been surviving, survival rates for pancreatic cancer

:28:54.:28:56.

remain low, shockingly so, for the past 40 years. Will you join me in

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recognising the hard work of pancreatic Cancer UK and the

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supporters in Wales of raising awareness of this awful illness.

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It can be difficult to diagnose because the symptoms can be very

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nonspecific. We are encouraging people, with VCs someone with a

:29:32.:29:36.

condition that isn't resolving, but is difficult to pinpoint, to refer

:29:37.:29:43.

them on for further investigations. My sister-in-law was 44. She was

:29:44.:29:49.

diagnosed, it was very difficult to get that diagnosis. It is a disease

:29:50.:29:55.

that is untreatable when it passes a certain stage. Many will know people

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who were diagnosed and didn't have much time left. Early diagnosis is

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absolutely critical. I understand that it is difficult to diagnose but

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if an unusual pattern is presented in someone bent...

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Thank you. And thank you for the work my colleague did this afternoon

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presenting that event for us. I think everyone in the Chamber knows

:30:31.:30:34.

somebody with cancer, don't they? In one form or another it touches all

:30:35.:30:40.

our lives. I wonder if the time has come for us to look more closely at

:30:41.:30:46.

the introduction of on-screen comps for GPs when people go and consult

:30:47.:30:54.

them. And also whether more sophisticated diagnostic tools could

:30:55.:30:59.

be introduced into our GP practices. Our dentists can perform

:31:00.:31:03.

x-rays and put them up on the screen. That don't seem to have a

:31:04.:31:09.

problem taking mobile stands out. Has the time come for technology to

:31:10.:31:13.

help us with diagnosing these more difficult diseases.

:31:14.:31:21.

It is difficult to know because, of course, with many diagnoses a

:31:22.:31:26.

consultant radiologist is needed to read the extreme properly. GPs have

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some training as part of their general medical training, but would

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GPs be comfortable, feeling they're able to do that, or would they

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rather refer to a radiologist? I can't answer that question that's

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for GPs to answer. We have seen cancer referrals increased greatly

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in Wales, happily, most of those referrals have led to a resort where

:31:53.:31:57.

no cancer is present. But, better to be safe than sorry. GPs, to be

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fair, have understood this and are referring people. But what might be

:32:04.:32:08.

missed in parts is not being missed in the future. As with any illness,

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diagnosis is not an easy thing, it can take some time to diagnose the

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cancer and even longer to work out a treatment plan. These things are

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best left to oncologists, but GPs have a critical role being able to

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refer. Question five, Alan Jones. Will the First Minister make a

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statement on progress in relation to the availability of superfast

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broadband in Kennedy Gam? -- Kerry Dion? Before they roll-out began

:32:43.:32:50.

there was no access to superfast broadband in the area so the work is

:32:51.:32:58.

progressing well, and there are 16,615 premises in the local

:32:59.:33:01.

authority area now able to access superfast broadband that is almost

:33:02.:33:09.

half of Ceredigion. We want to ensure that everyone will have

:33:10.:33:16.

access by 2017. This Sunday and area in my

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constituency was the brightest and sunniest place in Britain since

:33:20.:33:23.

records began. Although the weather was very good there, be broadband is

:33:24.:33:31.

terrible! I had a meeting last week which is served by an exchange where

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we got written confirmation from Beattie that they would deal with

:33:38.:33:43.

the 96% of homes that received superfast broadband under the

:33:44.:33:48.

contract with the government. Now we understand they won't benefit under

:33:49.:33:54.

this programme you are an from receiving that confirmation. Is it

:33:55.:33:58.

fear that a community like this is misled in this way by BT and will

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you raise this issue with BT and give the people of this area and the

:34:05.:34:11.

other communities assurance that confirmation will be honoured? Yes,

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of course, I will write to the member once the details are

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available. We know that 68 properties in Aberystwyth are now

:34:25.:34:32.

part of broadband superfast broadband. 53% in Bow Street had a

:34:33.:34:42.

good proportion. That is no help to the people in the area the member is

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speaking about. Will the first minute make statement on his

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economic priorities for south-east Wales? Supporting jobs is

:34:53.:35:02.

important. Support for skills development and transport and ICT

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infrastructure. Thank you, First Minister. We recently celebrated

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back to the future day. In 1955 you could jump on a train in Monmouth

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and travel down one of the world's most beautiful railways and then

:35:19.:35:23.

connect to the national network at Chepstow. 60 years later Monmouth is

:35:24.:35:29.

not on the Metro map. It is a key component of the future in

:35:30.:35:33.

Monmouthshire, are you looking at ways we can get Monmouth and

:35:34.:35:40.

outlying areas back on the map? , I can't be held responsible for the

:35:41.:35:45.

Beeching cuts, but I take the point that until quite recently it was

:35:46.:35:50.

possible to see wagon station from the area but it has been moved now.

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There is no reason why Monmouth can't be part of the South East

:35:57.:36:02.

Wales Metro. It cannot be part of the network, whether it is light

:36:03.:36:08.

rail or through faster bus connections, it is not just about

:36:09.:36:13.

heavy rail. I am more than happy to work with the council to see how the

:36:14.:36:17.

Metro network can be extended to Monmouth and indeed, some other

:36:18.:36:25.

parts of Montgomeryshire as well. There is no reason why it can't

:36:26.:36:31.

happen. First Minister, I am sure you will agree that the priorities

:36:32.:36:38.

in south-east Wales are similar to those in my constituency. People

:36:39.:36:41.

need enough to live on. Will the First Minister agree with me that

:36:42.:36:48.

many families in the Pontypridd constituency alone will phase

:36:49.:36:53.

attacks by the tax credit system. The Tories have no mandate, having

:36:54.:36:58.

said before the election they would not cut tax credits, they now have

:36:59.:37:02.

no mandate to inflict this poverty on the people of Wales. Quite

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right. We all saw the Prime Minister saying he would not cut tax credits.

:37:10.:37:16.

We were told that that wasn't going to happen. The issue of tax credits

:37:17.:37:24.

was not resolved. We say to people that we want to see people in work

:37:25.:37:29.

that pays and when we say actually, it won't pay as much as it did

:37:30.:37:38.

before. In the Economist this week, not exactly a left-wing paper, it

:37:39.:37:44.

makes the point that if tax credits go many families will suffer as a

:37:45.:37:48.

result of that. The message being given by the UK Government is, if

:37:49.:37:53.

you work hard, but your wages are low, we were penalised you for it. I

:37:54.:38:00.

would like to see more businesses taking advantage of the

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infrastructure in Wales as opposed to crossing the border and bridges.

:38:04.:38:08.

Is it possible to give us more details progress on how you are

:38:09.:38:13.

strengthening and improving Cardiff airport, and how we are promoting

:38:14.:38:20.

the use of this airport as opposed to crossing over to Bristol? In

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September numbers are 21% up on the previous September. We have similar

:38:27.:38:32.

increases in July and August. I saw the planes coming over my house

:38:33.:38:38.

every five minutes, it was good to see the airports at capacity. It was

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good to see them busy. We are seeing companies continue to thrive at

:38:49.:38:51.

Cardiff airport. Discussions are taking place with other airlines in

:38:52.:38:58.

terms of long haul flights. Taking it into public ownership was the

:38:59.:39:02.

right thing to do. We were shocked at the state of it when we took it

:39:03.:39:06.

over, we now have an airport that is moving in the right direction, we

:39:07.:39:11.

are seeing great growth in passenger numbers and that is something we

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expect to see continue. What measures is the Welsh government

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taking to improve the economic outlook for South Wales Central? We

:39:22.:39:27.

support economic growth for new and existing businesses, infrastructure

:39:28.:39:31.

improvements and supporting Wales as they business and tourism

:39:32.:39:35.

destination. We've just had a successful rugby World Cup. The

:39:36.:39:40.

rugby ball was taken out of Cardiff Castle Wall last night. It was a

:39:41.:39:49.

hugely successful event. It was a huge economic opportunity for

:39:50.:39:52.

businesses the length and breadth of South Wales Central. But they were

:39:53.:39:58.

significant transport issues relating to key matches on road and

:39:59.:40:03.

rail. What measures will be Welsh government be undertaking to assess

:40:04.:40:08.

what changes, if any, they think are appropriate with operators like a

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Riva trains Wales and the Severn Bridge tolls to ensure a better flow

:40:12.:40:17.

of traffic in and out of the capital city so people don't leave with a

:40:18.:40:21.

negative impression of the journey in and out of Cardiff? First of

:40:22.:40:28.

all, the tunnels don't help in terms of traffic. In terms of the Severn

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Bridge, there is no reason why those bridges need have told at all in

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terms of toll barriers. In Dublin there not to toll bridges that are

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relic Tronic and run by cameras. The Irish government converted them into

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tolls where you have two pre-pay. You prepay on a website beforehand

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and you pay within 24 hours of going through. They could all be

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electronic decontrol. In terms of trains, we made, the difficulty is,

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given the rail structure we have now there is not much spare capacity.

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They used to be able to bring rolling stock in for rugby

:41:19.:41:21.

internationals and run them as games are on. That's lack isn't there in

:41:22.:41:26.

the same way, we see situations where Network Rail close the tunnel

:41:27.:41:30.

down and train operators find that they can't get to London,

:41:31.:41:36.

particularly, as quickly as is normal. Trains are drumming

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properly, this is what happens when you have a system that doesn't have

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sufficient public control. 20 years ago there was no problem. British

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rail were able to handle numbers going through Cardiff station. Yes,

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there are more people now, but the capacity isn't there. Unless we

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continue to work with sporting authorities like the Welsh Rugby

:42:00.:42:01.

union to make sure they don't have the same experience in the future.

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The same thing happened in Twickenham. People were left

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stranded there because the station couldn't cope with the numbers at a

:42:11.:42:16.

particular time. Salt needs to be given to how the British rail system

:42:17.:42:20.

copes with big events. We don't seem to do as well as we should. The

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Metro clearly is an important piece of infrastructure for the economic

:42:28.:42:30.

outlook of my region, part of that is going to be the development of

:42:31.:42:34.

new station so that people can get the Metro. The plan includes a list

:42:35.:42:44.

of this nation is in my region which might potentially be considered in

:42:45.:42:48.

the future, however, it says that the planning and assessment of those

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stations is going to take from 2015 to 2020 and beyond, there is no

:42:54.:42:57.

commitment to build a single brick. When will they be built? The Metro

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has already started in terms of phase one. We are hoping to see

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another one in 2017. The difficulty is that many of the powers required

:43:13.:43:18.

are default. Particularly in terms of light rail and buses. We don't

:43:19.:43:25.

have the full range of powers that we want, but there is no reason to

:43:26.:43:30.

suspect that they want to prevent the Metro taking shape. The next

:43:31.:43:35.

thing for us will be looking at individual lines and deciding what

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the best mode of transport is. The building is still there, it is still

:43:40.:43:44.

usable as a station, that is anybody's guess. The eastern part of

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Cardiff is not well served by the rail network, how cannot be

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resolved? How do we make sure that if new stations are built on a

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connected to public transport networks. These form part of our

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thinking not just in terms of creating the metric system but

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making sure it is future proof. Thank you, Willie first minute and

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make a statement on how the Swansea city region's economy is being

:44:14.:44:18.

improved? We are supporting jobs and growth in every part of Wales. We

:44:19.:44:22.

are making good progress in identifying... What role do you see

:44:23.:44:30.

for the successful universities in the area to further develop the

:44:31.:44:31.

local economy? The universities have been very

:44:32.:44:40.

successful. Two weeks ago I was at the opening of the campus, a

:44:41.:44:43.

remarkable investment that would not have happened without European

:44:44.:44:46.

money. That is something we need to emphasise. And also the support of

:44:47.:44:52.

the UK Government. It has had the effect of drawing in some of the

:44:53.:44:55.

best academics and it will draw in the best students. And of course

:44:56.:45:02.

there is a proposal for a new campus on the site, which is a componentry

:45:03.:45:06.

and ambitious the parliament which shows that the investment is going

:45:07.:45:10.

into Swansea to strengthen not just the city's academic ability but its

:45:11.:45:18.

economy as well. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I am sure you

:45:19.:45:25.

would agree that for the benefits to be felt across Swansea, the Welsh

:45:26.:45:28.

government should do everything in its power to help local employers

:45:29.:45:35.

make the most of local skills within the workforce. Will the First

:45:36.:45:40.

Minister back calls to scrap the age restrictions on the jobs growth bill

:45:41.:45:46.

scheme so that all members of the community in Swansea have the chance

:45:47.:45:52.

to benefit... You must related to Swansea. To have a chance to benefit

:45:53.:46:02.

in growth of the local economy and do not end up exempt from the

:46:03.:46:12.

current scheme because they are too old. I have listened to four years

:46:13.:46:17.

of the Tories criticising jobs growth Wales. And now they are

:46:18.:46:25.

taking it on court. We work with employers to make sure that they

:46:26.:46:28.

understand the skills and experience that older workers can bring and we

:46:29.:46:33.

also know that young people, especially given they have been

:46:34.:46:36.

hammered by the UK Government at the moment, need an extra leg up, and

:46:37.:46:42.

extra support. That is what this is designed to do, to give that

:46:43.:46:45.

experience at the work environment at a time where everything else that

:46:46.:46:50.

my generation took for granted, and the Prime Minister's generation took

:46:51.:46:54.

for granted, is being removed from them. We will stand by young people

:46:55.:46:57.

as we have always stood by older people. It has already been

:46:58.:47:06.

indicated that the opening of the new campus at Swansea University is

:47:07.:47:11.

a mechanism by which we can look forward to new opportunities in

:47:12.:47:15.

particularly in research and abandonment. What discussions has

:47:16.:47:20.

the government had with the community to attract businesses into

:47:21.:47:23.

this development so that we can develop the high end business skills

:47:24.:47:29.

that we need in the economy? I am aware that the University is in his

:47:30.:47:40.

constant news see -- constituency. I have two examples. The Wales coating

:47:41.:47:48.

and printing centre supports that. And of course, specifically, the

:47:49.:47:51.

academic and industrial consortium led by Swansea University, with BASF

:47:52.:47:58.

has strategic partners. And of course, we support Pacific as well.

:47:59.:48:08.

TRANSLATION: First Minister, the Milford Haven enterprise on the part

:48:09.:48:11.

of the Swansea based city region is the only region in Wales were you

:48:12.:48:20.

have to pay a toll to go from one part of another, ?75 over the

:48:21.:48:25.

bridge. If you look at the trunking of the bridge, are you going to

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abolish the tolls? That is an interesting question. There has been

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a toll there for many years, and that is something that we would

:48:36.:48:38.

consider if that is the direction of the road, whether it should be a

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trunk road or not. We would have to consider the costs of the bridge

:48:42.:48:45.

itself, as regards maintaining the bridge and then, of course, we will

:48:46.:48:50.

take a decision. First Minister, one of the threats to the Swansea Bay

:48:51.:48:54.

region is the current state of the British Steel industry. There are

:48:55.:48:59.

concerns about Tata, which is weathering the storm so far. Can I

:49:00.:49:05.

ask what the UK Government and your government are doing in terms of

:49:06.:49:07.

trying to mitigate the costs that threaten the future of that plan to?

:49:08.:49:12.

Much has been done. The Minister has written to UK ministers five times

:49:13.:49:16.

this year. -- the future of that plant. We have continued to press

:49:17.:49:23.

the UK Government for resignation of the compensation package as soon as

:49:24.:49:27.

possible. -- recognition. These costs are brutal as far as the

:49:28.:49:31.

industry is concerned. We have raised that time and time again with

:49:32.:49:34.

the government to ensure that British high energy manufacturers do

:49:35.:49:40.

not face the penalty of high energy costs, like they are facing at the

:49:41.:49:47.

moment. I can say to the Minister, we are working with the UK

:49:48.:49:54.

Government to look at things like... Wires British Steel not being used

:49:55.:50:00.

in British projects? -- why is British Steel. We will be holding a

:50:01.:50:04.

meeting our self to be chaired by the Minister. And then we will look

:50:05.:50:10.

to continue with the discussion. I understand there is a competitive

:50:11.:50:13.

council meeting in Brussels and was government will be represented on

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Monday. STUDIO: That was first ministers questions. If you want

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