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After the assembly turned down James Bond and Labour rejected a fly on

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the wall documentary we are allowed to put our questions. It is Prime

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Minister's questions. Mr Jones does not know the questions in advance.

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Expect a North Wales theme with questions on the economic links

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between North Wales and North West England and the finances of the

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biggest health board in Wales. Expect questions on tidal power and

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the first tidal lagoon in the world set for Swansea Bay. Time to take a

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look at the questions to the First Minister. The national assembly is

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now in session. The first question is from make Anthony. Will he make a

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statement on the state of industrial relations on wheels -- in Wales. The

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Welsh government encourages industrial relations in Wales. We

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can be proud of the good and constructive industrial relations we

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have in Wales. Partnerships are being formed over many decades and

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the trade union Bill seeks to undermine that good work. We have a

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situation in England where we even have junior doctors valeting for

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industrial action. Do you think that is much the UK Government could

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learn from the positive experience we have had in Wales? Yes it is

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appalling what has been going on with the trade union Bill and we

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will pursue that in terms of public services in Wales. And if we can we

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will seek to oppose the part of the trade show in the trade show in a

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bill that affects all public services. Solicitor junior doctors

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that is a sign of the sorry state of how it is in England and the weight

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is being managed. Would you join me in joining their concerns about the

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adverse impact this bill will have on the rights of Welsh worker?

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Absolutely it is a straightforward attack on Welsh rights for workers

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and we will follow the lead from Catholic. And it is a fundamental

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attack on rights and democracy. You will be aware of the current dispute

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between the PCS union and the Welsh government-sponsored body the

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National Museum of Wales. The dispute is about a number of issues

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and about the proportional of senior management to remove premium

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payments for weekend working which makes up between 12 to 15% of the

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take on fit -- take-home pay off front of House staff. Will he tell

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us how the refusal of the National museums to look at paper also is

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presented by the PCS -- to look at proposals presented by the PCS? Has

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party has attacked the rights of workers in Wales and in the UK and

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we are aware of the dispute which is a matter for the National resume to

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resolve and we went courage employers and employees to work

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constructively to resolve these issues rather than undermine trade

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unions which is what the Tories want to do. -- National Museum. At the

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demonstration I spoke at a few weeks ago were told that the Minister with

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responsibility in this area would be talking to trade unions so I wonder

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if in the nature of having a discussion what you have talked to

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him about in order to try to find agreement here so wheels can be

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shown in a positive light when we are embarking on discussions is

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regarding the trade union on advocate level. I have not

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personally spoken to him about this matter. -- on a UK level. We have

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heard mention of the National Museum of Wales that can I ask you what you

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think the government is to be in dissolving disputes when they happen

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at third-party level? One thing we're not doing is wrecking trade

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union rights and should be discussion between employers and

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trade unions. We see on the Conservative Party is not just an

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attempt to remove the rights of workers back to destroy trees unions

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and in shouting they know their shame. We recognise trade unions and

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we look to work with trade unions and we have a record of doing that.

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It is a shame the UK Government prefers conflict to consensus. Will

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the Minister make a statement in the regeneration of city centres? I

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policy supports industrial regeneration in many areas across

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Wales. In Newport there is collaboration between the public

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centre and Civic Centre. That is much development. On Thursday you'll

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be helping to open the Friars walk retail redevelopment which I believe

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is a further example of what I believe to be very impressive to

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city centre regeneration. Will you join me in looking forward to the

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reopening on Thursday and agree that Newport is leading the way. Yes it

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is an excellent example of a Labour lead counsel leading the way and

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many retail companies who have signed up to be in the sector and

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once we have not provided direct funding for the scheme, we have been

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involved inside assembly in pre-project assessment support and

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in support delivered through Newport Unlimited. It is a good example of

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government and business working together under a Labour council. For

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the First Minister acknowledge that during the previous Conservative

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administration in Newport that was what brought forward the money title

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to make this important development take place in Newport which is vital

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to the future of the city. What we saw under the previous

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administration was prevarication and what we see now is the mother of. We

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all welcome the development. -- what we see now is delivered it. Has any

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research being undertaken under the question of the impact on these

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towns? A study has to be made of the impact around any shopping centre in

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the city 's and where you have large out-of-town shopping centres there

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is an effect on town centres such as in Bridgend infinitely. In

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Carmarthen Debenhams is in the town centre which is helped invigorate

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the town centre. -- --and Llanelli. One of the best ways of making sure

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that our city centres are vibrant as making sure that existing small

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independent businesses are able to stay in business is there but I've

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had reports from Cardiff of the City Council been very aggressive in

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pursuing business rates arrears from independent traders and in

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particular may not using the hardship provisions that are within

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their powers adequately for those businesses who are having struggling

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times. I wonder if they would agree to conduct a review of the use of

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the hardship provisions within the business rate system to see how they

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are being applied across Wales to make sure our small traders can

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continue to stay in business. I will write to her on that and she weighs

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has appointed is to be looked at. The Leader of the Opposition. Can I

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welcome your U-turn on Cabinet decision reports? Last week you said

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on television that the M4 Black route could be delivered way below

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the projected figure that is commonly understood as being a cost

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of that project. The figure is one we will be coming in well below. We

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are not going to show the figure because that movie like showing your

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hand in a card game. We will not reveal beforehand what our target

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figure will be is not always a wise move in the world of business. I

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fully understand that and there will be a parameter you will be working

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in, surely, and for you to go out and say that the figure will be way

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below the million pound figure that the governments on colleagues -- own

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colleagues Arup have put forward. How can you have with confidence and

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ability to say it will be way below the billion pound figure? I am not

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prepared to Lisa figure is that the good information to those who might

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be about to tender what a potential figure might be. The Minister of the

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economy indicated that 160 staff members were working on this project

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from within her department and that is a quarter of her department

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working on this particular project. The First Minister has come out now

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on the radio and in previous press quotes to see that the figure will

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be substantially below people thought was the accurate figure

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provided to the worst government by surveyors commissioned by yourself

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and paid for by yourself. It is not unusual to ask for clarity around

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his figures and these numbers when so much effort by the worst

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government in civil service time has been put into it and ultimately they

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gain more support for the project if you could be more transparent and

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the actual making so I'm not asking you to pinpoint figure but I ask you

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to say to us today what new information has come forward that

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gives you confidence to say that the figure is way below are we talking

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hundreds of millions are tens of millions? I know his party is

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written in half by this issue. -- riven. He has said that he

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understood you cannot reveal a figure and in the world of business

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that will not happen. We expect it to come in below the figure of 1

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billion and actually putting a figure to it at this stage and to

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say to any potential tenderer this is the figure we are looking to

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offer is an attempt nation for everybody to come in at the same

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figure. Kirsty Williams. Yesterday I showed a group of children from

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primary school around assembly and when asked who the assembly belongs

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to one child applied the government. Wrong, said the two manager, this

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building belongs to you. Is it not shameful that Labour have vetoed the

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BBC and ITV from filming a behind-the-scenes documentary in

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this building. That is not a government decision about a matter

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for the Labour group who took this decision. I am asking you as First

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Minister whether you think it is regrettable. Let me move on. Let's

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turn to your disgraceful decision and subsequent U-turn to stop

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publishing business reports on your government website. Considering that

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you have now done that will you now apologise for the ludicrous comments

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by you now apologise for the ludicrous comments by your wasting

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government resources when we were doing was scrutinising your

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government which after all is what an opposition party is meant to do?

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I would have thought the leader of the Liberal Democrats would welcome

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this decision. I took the decision that we had to re-introduce a system

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with it was possible to see what the decisions were, and a brief

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explanation of what those decisions were. I do indeed welcome the

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decision, and given that your in listening mode, and are particularly

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interested it seems in transparency and openness, and now you have

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admitted you got it wrong in the decision reports, would you now

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commit to bringing forward the puzzles to open the doors of

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government by publishing details of meetings between you, your ministers

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and officials, with lobbyists and external pressure groups? It is not

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our policy to meet with lobbyists, and it is not our policy to meet

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with pressure groups, not professional lobbyists. In terms of

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transparency, that is something we are fully aware of. We are

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accountable to the people of Wales and we know that the Liberal

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Democrats understand this full well, following the result of the general

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election. We now move to the leader of Plaid Cymru, Leanne Wood. Do you

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agree that the key to effective inspectorate in health care is it is

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sufficiently resourced and enjoys full freedom to pursue the interests

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of patients? Phil freedom, yes, resource and, yes, bearing in mind a

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financial squeeze we have received from the UK Government. We are not

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able to resource every single aspect of government as we would want.

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Thank you. You may well be aware of the evidence given this morning to

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the Public Accounts Committee, where the health inspectorate Wales Chief

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Executive was asked if she felt her organisation was adequately

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resourced, and she answered, I think the answer to that would have to be

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no, I would like to do more. Would you accept that as correct? I am

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sure all organisations would like to be more, including the government

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itself. But there is no suggestion they are unable to fulfil the

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functions delegated to them. The health committee first raised its

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concerns about staffing and resource in health inspectorate Wales 18

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months ago. And the revelation this morning in committee suggests you

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have not taken sufficient steps to deal with that. How can patients

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have full confidence that their interests and concerns are being

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properly furthered, when the inspectorate body is not being

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properly financed? And you have just accepted it is not being properly

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resourced. Several standards of care have emerged in recent years, and

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the inspectorate itself has admitted it has not had full sight of all

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patients complaints. When will Labour finally deliver properly

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resourced health inspectorate, and is it not time now that that

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inspectorate was independent of government? The inspectorate is

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independent of government, and what you have just said is an

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illustration of that. If it was not independent of government, you would

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not have somebody using those words about resource and. Is it the case

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that the inspectorate cannot carry out the functions it has? I do not

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believe it is, they are carrying out more inspections, and rightly so,

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because people expect that. They can also bid for more resources in the

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future, bearing in mind the squeeze on public finances. Question three,

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Darren Miller. Will the First Minister make a statement on the

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future of the National Health service in North Wales? Yes, a

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statement was made on supporting Betsi Cadwaladr on the 4th of

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November. One of the symptoms of many problems in North Wales that

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emerged in the health board area where large volumes of complaints

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about particular services, but we heard from the health care

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inspectorate, who said they do not routinely receive information on

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complaints from community health councils or from boards themselves

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prior to undertaking inspections or scooping their work. Is that a

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concern to you, and what action will you take to make sure the gold mine

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of information within the complaints system is available and accessed as

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part of the inspection regime? When that events are publicised in a way

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that was never done before. Health inspectorate Wales are part of the

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process of this. -- we know that events are publicised. The audit

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office and the health care inspectorate are part of the process

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of reviewing progress as the local health board moves forward. However

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it is the case that this is not routinely done in terms of

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information being shared, -- if it is the case, I will look into this.

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TRANSLATION: Many of us were surprised that Betsi Cadwaladr

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health board had spent millions of pounds on external management

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consultants, and that had happened in contract, some of them worth

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hundreds of thousands of pounds, without a competitive tendering

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process. 11 of the 12 were laid without competition. Do you find

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that acceptable, and will you look into the issue? Of course, it is

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very important that there is a proper tendering system, and

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sometimes it is cheaper to get someone in temporarily as a

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consultant, rather than employing someone permanently, which is how it

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is, that is how things are done in England and Scotland, but we would

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expect the health boards to be open about how much money they are

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spending and also to be open and the tender where that is possible. Will

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he make a statement on the importance of economic links between

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North Wales and the north-west of England? We recognise the importance

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of this, and we continue to support the Mersey de Alliance, particularly

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in relation to identifying economic and if both regions. -- Dee. Our

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Welsh Labour government has been leading the way in promoting these

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economic links by engaging with the Mersey Dee line, improving road and

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rail links, and has established a partnership approach between the

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regions, seeing a Northern Powerhouse as an opportunity rather

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than as a competitor. Do you agree that it is vital that the UK

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Government shows the same level of commitment by ensuring North Wales

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is fairly linked into the Northern Powerhouse initiative by playing its

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part in delivering improved connections between the regions? I

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think the Secretary of State, late though he was to the discussion, was

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not correct when he said Manchester was a competitor. There is great

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scope for the North of Wales and North England to work together.

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There is a great deal of cross-border flow, and we seek to

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facilitate that and improve it for the benefit of those in the

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north-west of England. It would be useful to see further commitment

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regarding electrification, the rail line and the North Wales Main line,

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where there are no plans to electrify at the moment. First

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Minister, the Secretary of State for Wales was in North Wales yesterday,

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highlighting the business organisations have important to

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Northern Powerhouse project in north-west England could be to the

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Wales economy. Could you outline what discussions your government has

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had with the Secretary of State to ensure that North Wales maximises

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the benefits that are successful -- a successful powerhouse could bring

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to us? I was aware that the Secretary of State was in North

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Wales. I have not had direct discussions with the Secretary of

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State, but had discussions with the Mersey Dee Alliance, and we have

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emphasised what we want to see in terms of making sure there is

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greater prosperity cross-border, which is something we are promoting

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through the Alliance, and it is good to see the Secretary of State coming

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behind us. TRANSLATION: Thank you. The railway is a very important part

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of the cross-border links. Does the First Minister agree that we must

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ensure that decisions taken by the UK Government on the future of the

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railways reflect the fact that services in North Wales to the times

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in the north-west of England are crucial services for people living

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in North Wales, and that those services therefore should not be

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taken out of the Wales and Borders franchise? Yes, we have figures at

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the moment that indicate that Wales received less than 1% of the rail

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improvement funding from Network Rail over the last few years. There

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has not been any improvement as regards the North Wales rail lines,

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apart from two lines. Therefore, our viewers Welsh government is that

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they would be in a better position to deal with or manage the funding

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of the railways in Wales, but that is not the view of the UK Government

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at present. Question six. What discussion has the Welsh government

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had regarding this power station? We have an open dialogue with the UK

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Government regarding the supply industry. When I met with RW D a

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while back, they said... The case has gone to court, and a lot of

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opencast mines rely on this as a customer. Has your official

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designated to look at this had any indication of what would happen if

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the legal action goes against the company? Will it close, for example?

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If the decision goes against that, it will make it more difficult for

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it to operate, which is bound to have an effect on it long-term. Just

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to inform the member, as she said, it is now in litigation phase, and

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the commission has since admitted that applied to the Court of the

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UK, and has until December to submit more information. We have a role,

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but legally the dispute is between the commission on one hand and the

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UK Government on the other. Power stations have always been a major

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concern on the impact on the areas around the power stations. In Port

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Talbot, the power station has been purchased, which has raised

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concerns, so can hear reassure us that the inner quality will not be

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affected? We would not like to see this, but it is a matter for any RW

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to monitor these things. There is room for further improvement, so in

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2013 we did a short-term action plan to tackle particle levels in that

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area, and I can see that -- say that government officials meet regularly

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in order to seek solutions to reduce the level of the particles in Port

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Talbot. We would not want expect in quality to deteriorate. The owners

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of the power station has been at the heart of a couple of controversial

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applications in South Wales West in recent years. They are seeking new

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funding for the power station and they continue to push for a wind

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farm in the face of concerted civil opposition. I appreciate that the

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role of Welsh government is different in these cases, but how do

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you weigh up public disapproval of any project? First, when it is

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limited to making representations, and when it is up to local

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government to make a decision? The issue of public opinion is a factor

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in terms of a decision being made, but the technical advice is an

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important document, and the UK Government has to decide what it

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wants to do with new power generation. We are hearing nothing

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about the tidal lagoon, which seems to have gone to sleep, they are keen

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to promote nuclear, we have seen that with the enormous loan given to

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Hinkley point, but there is no coherent overall energy policy being

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put forward, we do not know what energy will come from in the next

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decade, but we're not seeing high-energy users such as the steel

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industry. We have called and called for the steel industry to have the

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respect from the UK industry that it deserves, to make sure energy cost

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which are hampering the steel industry to be addressed, but the UK

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Government has done nothing. TRANSLATION: Although the First

:30:35.:30:46.

Minister make a statement on North Wales Railways? I suggest question

:30:47.:31:00.

earlier. TRANSLATION: They did not answer the question but I'm sure I

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can discuss that with the Minister for transport. There will be a

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meeting held on to know this Thursday about the gratification of

:31:11.:31:29.

the line. --Llandudno. It is also an important link to Ireland. To what

:31:30.:31:34.

extent is the First Minister prepared to intervene personally to

:31:35.:31:38.

persuade the UK Government to put electrification of the North Wales

:31:39.:31:42.

mainline is a priority when it comes to real infrastructure because

:31:43.:31:46.

whilst we agree that the power and decision should be taken in Wales

:31:47.:31:54.

that is not to be taken as happening. TRANSLATION: We have seen

:31:55.:32:04.

cuts of 30% and I do not see how that works in ensuring the whole

:32:05.:32:09.

network will be modernised and improved. Having said that, let a

:32:10.:32:13.

petition of the North Wales mainline is something that I have mentioned

:32:14.:32:19.

publicly and number of times and we do not even know about the South

:32:20.:32:22.

Wales mainline at the moment which has been promised but with no start

:32:23.:32:29.

date. I'm concerned that if I do not see the education of the line to

:32:30.:32:36.

North Wales, the InterCity line will terminating crew and that is where

:32:37.:32:45.

electrification ends of the present time --in Crewe. We want to bring

:32:46.:32:52.

pressure on the UK Government to electrify dodger societies but also

:32:53.:32:58.

North Wales. As the result of the withdrawal of three service routes

:32:59.:33:14.

in Wales I understand that the TTS -- DFT will be making cuts. We want

:33:15.:33:24.

to invest more in our rail network I do not understand how that equates

:33:25.:33:34.

with a 30% cut announced today at Westminster. We cannot move ahead

:33:35.:33:37.

with a notification of the Metro without the mainline being done and

:33:38.:33:42.

this far we are not being given a date and until that is done the

:33:43.:33:47.

promise that was given and made by her party will remain unfulfilled.

:33:48.:33:52.

Tell us of when the mainline in South Wales will be electrified. It

:33:53.:33:56.

is a simple question and we have no answer. TRANSLATION: There is a risk

:33:57.:34:03.

that the real winner in North Wales as you said will be disconnected

:34:04.:34:07.

from the wider UK network if it is not electrified that there was a

:34:08.:34:12.

statement yesterday and further delays in the link between Wrexham

:34:13.:34:18.

Manchester and the worst government plan and also problems in terms of

:34:19.:34:24.

the line issues Billy which is funded by the worst government, have

:34:25.:34:27.

you therefore cemented any complaints as part of the UK

:34:28.:34:34.

Government review into Network Rail to state how to set aside you are is

:34:35.:34:38.

a government with the way Network Rail is operating at the moment.

:34:39.:34:45.

TRANSLATION: Yes, we have done so a number of times and we do not

:34:46.:34:53.

actually control Network Rail and it should be managed within wheels as

:34:54.:34:56.

it is within Scotland to make sure that the people of Wales have

:34:57.:34:59.

complete control over the railway as they have elsewhere. We have seen

:35:00.:35:04.

problems arising such as the closing of the Severn Tunnel when there is a

:35:05.:35:10.

major match on in Cardiff and that demonstrates that we need more

:35:11.:35:12.

powers in Wales over the real of Wales. Will the first Mr provide an

:35:13.:35:19.

update and worst government policies and supporting the Farmington

:35:20.:35:25.

Minister? We have ambitious new strategies under the worst

:35:26.:35:27.

government rural communities programme. That will put farming the

:35:28.:35:33.

best possible footing for the future. I recently visited a

:35:34.:35:38.

livestock market in Monmouthshire and that is an open invitation for

:35:39.:35:43.

you to visit. There are ongoing concerns about changes by the Welsh

:35:44.:35:46.

government to the basic payment scheme which will see many farmers

:35:47.:35:52.

lose out as a consequence of the transition to a flat rate. I

:35:53.:35:55.

appreciate things do change but within this new scheme that is no

:35:56.:35:59.

recognition of the benefits of production and no account taken of

:36:00.:36:04.

the fact that Upland animal densities are far lower than in the

:36:05.:36:08.

lowlands. Is the problem not that of the new scheme does not actually

:36:09.:36:11.

favour farmers who actually want to farm? Upland farmers would find that

:36:12.:36:20.

a very difficult line. Lowland farmers and Upland farmers are in a

:36:21.:36:24.

different position in this regard. There are plenty farmers who do not

:36:25.:36:27.

agree with that for you and I have met many farmers do. It Upland

:36:28.:36:33.

farmers and less far than lowland farmers, I would have to say I

:36:34.:36:35.

disagree with that viewpoint and lowland farming is an important

:36:36.:36:42.

contributor to sustainability in Wales and the great stress to

:36:43.:36:47.

farming is the loss of the European market because if farmers do not

:36:48.:36:51.

have easy and unrestricted access to the European market then the farming

:36:52.:36:56.

in Wales has no future because that is where a major marketers and

:36:57.:36:59.

anything that interferes with that is bad for Welsh farming. In

:37:00.:37:05.

accordance with their members could have conduct, I let the chamber to

:37:06.:37:13.

the fact I'm a partner the small Upland farming business in receipt

:37:14.:37:18.

of CEP support. Nonetheless you have often stated in this chamber the

:37:19.:37:34.

importance of the CEP -- CEP. --CAP To the sustainability of Welsh

:37:35.:37:37.

farming and what came up was the possibility of delayed payments this

:37:38.:37:41.

year partly through legal action and for other reasons. In the context of

:37:42.:37:47.

unprecedented levels of indebtedness within the farming sector and the

:37:48.:37:54.

banks would you consider convening a farm finance summit with yourself

:37:55.:38:00.

and the Deputy Minister for farming and food, key stakeholders in the

:38:01.:38:04.

finance sector, and the farming unions to address this issue before

:38:05.:38:09.

it becomes a crisis? I think farmers want to see action and payment can

:38:10.:38:14.

denote the basic pay scheme will pay farmers to hundred million pounds

:38:15.:38:19.

annually and we are looking to make a part payment of 80% of the full

:38:20.:38:23.

payment to the majority of farmers in December. The vast majority of

:38:24.:38:29.

part payments will be made in the New Year and final part payments and

:38:30.:38:32.

the balance of payments will be made by the end of April and May be in

:38:33.:38:36.

some cases that is propping issue and payment will take longer that is

:38:37.:38:45.

what we're trying to do. TRANSLATION: What steps have been

:38:46.:38:51.

taken regarding the financial situation of the health board under

:38:52.:39:01.

under the mac special measures. TRANSLATION: the government will be

:39:02.:39:07.

making sure that Betsi Cadwaladr health board maintains a high

:39:08.:39:11.

standard to serve the people of Wales. One of the problems was the

:39:12.:39:18.

natural management at the time and in June the board stated that ?14.2

:39:19.:39:23.

million would be the deficit for this year. By torpor that had a --

:39:24.:39:35.

increased to 30 million. What additional measures would you put in

:39:36.:39:39.

place as government in terms of problems are financial management

:39:40.:39:42.

and can you give a commitment to the people of Wales that the health

:39:43.:39:46.

board will not be able to use measures they have in the past such

:39:47.:39:50.

as cancelling treatments, particularly treatments commissioned

:39:51.:39:56.

in England to save money over the winter months? Betsi Cadwaladr No

:39:57.:40:03.

and it is very important that produces a plan which balances the

:40:04.:40:08.

services and secures balance regarding financial matters and this

:40:09.:40:15.

will be done as part of the action taken under the special measures and

:40:16.:40:22.

under those browsers blinds will be developing in order to make sure

:40:23.:40:30.

that it is sustainable. -- and under these measures. In relation to

:40:31.:40:38.

waiting times for orthopaedic and other services, I wonder what

:40:39.:40:42.

specific targeted support the worst government might be able to give to

:40:43.:40:46.

bring down waiting times for orthopaedic surgery in North Wales.

:40:47.:40:50.

Many people have been waiting up to 53 weeks for the surgery are clearly

:40:51.:40:54.

that is unacceptable and is leading to very poor quality of life for

:40:55.:40:59.

some and more serious conditions as a result when they do get the

:41:00.:41:08.

treatment. Ambulance response times and amongst the best in the North

:41:09.:41:13.

Wales and we expect the health board to allocate the appropriate of love

:41:14.:41:17.

resource to the people do not have to wait and unacceptable period of

:41:18.:41:28.

time for treatment. TRANSLATION: Along the same lines, waiting lists

:41:29.:41:32.

Cosgrave concerned and that is a constituent of mine who was

:41:33.:41:42.

diagnosed with a serious illness and 2013 and a similar illness affecting

:41:43.:41:45.

other organs of the body a year later. The specialist said she

:41:46.:41:50.

needed surgery soon and a year on she still has not received that

:41:51.:41:54.

surgery and are still awaiting treatment to stock is this

:41:55.:41:57.

acceptable to you and do you believe that a shortage of funding is at the

:41:58.:42:01.

heart of the problem or is it some other problem? TRANSLATION: No,

:42:02.:42:08.

because of her doctors told somebody they need to have surgery soon I

:42:09.:42:12.

would expect that surgery to happen quite soon and not wait for the

:42:13.:42:18.

year. If you could give me more details in a letter to consider the

:42:19.:42:22.

case in greater detail but I would expect that surgery to have taken

:42:23.:42:27.

place. But the first Mr make a statement on the support the Welsh

:42:28.:42:31.

government has provided to the steel industry in Wales Christmas we

:42:32.:42:34.

recognise the importance of the steel industry to the Welsh economy

:42:35.:42:37.

and a meeting was held last week with industry and trade union

:42:38.:42:41.

representatives to consider what action could be taken to support

:42:42.:42:44.

industry and she will be updating members. I welcome the work that is

:42:45.:42:51.

being done by the worst government in so far but do you agree that the

:42:52.:42:55.

steel industry has been failed by both this and UK Government and the

:42:56.:42:59.

previous one despite the numerous warnings we've seen from the

:43:00.:43:02.

industry and the Welsh government and the calls for urgent action in

:43:03.:43:07.

Gaza Lehigh intensive cost of industry and the cheap imports that

:43:08.:43:11.

we're seeing in Wales here now? Will you raise this with the Prime

:43:12.:43:15.

Minister as a matter of urgency to ensure that we end up with the steel

:43:16.:43:19.

industry in Wales and even within the UK? You do get the impression

:43:20.:43:24.

listening to the responsible minister in Westminster this deal is

:43:25.:43:29.

not important. This is seen as a relic of the past. That is not the

:43:30.:43:32.

case for us in Wales, it is an important industry. I read the

:43:33.:43:38.

comments of a professor in regard to EU membership that said

:43:39.:43:43.

manufacturing was not important and the future lay entirely in service

:43:44.:43:47.

industries. I do not agree for one minute. There is better because of a

:43:48.:43:54.

glut of steel on the market and that is the pressure that all steel

:43:55.:43:58.

producers face the steel producers themselves tell us that high energy

:43:59.:44:03.

costs in the UK are an immense problem in terms of competitiveness.

:44:04.:44:07.

It is absolutely crucial that the UK Government takes action now to help

:44:08.:44:11.

not just the steel industry but all our high energy industries in order

:44:12.:44:16.

to make sure they can be as competitive as other plants ills

:44:17.:44:18.

within Europe and that is not the case at the moment. TRANSLATION: It

:44:19.:44:26.

is important that your government does what it can to support the

:44:27.:44:30.

industry know that we have heard from politicians are level how

:44:31.:44:35.

crucial agreement is that the Steelers Street and the Ministry for

:44:36.:44:37.

the economy and science and transport is committed to

:44:38.:44:41.

strengthening procurement practices to secure the steel industry more

:44:42.:44:44.

effectively in response to a cross-party debate that took place

:44:45.:44:51.

in this place earlier this year and given that procurement

:44:52.:44:53.

responsibilities within the remit of the government and I do accept that

:44:54.:44:56.

the Minister will be making a statement tomorrow, can you tell us

:44:57.:45:00.

what specific steps worst government has taken sense the debate in March

:45:01.:45:06.

of this year to strengthen procurement processes and to support

:45:07.:45:13.

the sector more effectively? TRANSLATION: At present we are

:45:14.:45:17.

reviewing the model contractual documents concerning the delivery of

:45:18.:45:22.

major transport projects in order to make sure that the standard is

:45:23.:45:28.

accepted and we are looking at what they are the government has said

:45:29.:45:31.

about the procurement of steel which is something we are considering at

:45:32.:45:32.

present. All we are doing at present is

:45:33.:45:47.

adhering to what we have been told, making sure conditions agreed. How

:45:48.:45:56.

much of it used in the UK is used by the Ministry of Defence? We do not

:45:57.:46:00.

know. At present we are moving towards a situation where there will

:46:01.:46:06.

not be sufficient steel available in the UK to ensure the departments of

:46:07.:46:11.

the UK Government can use British steel. So we must have a guarantee

:46:12.:46:15.

now that the United Kingdom government will deal with the

:46:16.:46:19.

high-energy cost because if they do not, I have been saying this for

:46:20.:46:23.

five years, if they do not, there will be problems ahead, so they have

:46:24.:46:27.

to do something now to help the workers of Wales. You will know that

:46:28.:46:31.

the European steel Summit took place in Brussels yesterday, and you will

:46:32.:46:34.

know that many people in this sector and those who work in the Port

:46:35.:46:37.

Talbot plant have said to me that they were happy with the outcome,

:46:38.:46:41.

which is what they see as UK Government contributing to the

:46:42.:46:45.

mishandling of the issue. Do you share their concerns that granting

:46:46.:46:51.

China market status, in spite of the country failing to abide to EU rules

:46:52.:46:56.

on their trade, will make the dumping of cheap steel and European

:46:57.:46:58.

markets worse, not better? And have you or any of your ministers had any

:46:59.:47:03.

additional conversations to this end? That is exactly one of the

:47:04.:47:08.

points that unfair trade practices are one of the problems the industry

:47:09.:47:17.

faces. Trade practices do not help. We know that energy costs are an

:47:18.:47:24.

issue, and the modernisation of the industry is important, and Tata have

:47:25.:47:31.

invested hundreds of millions into Port Talbot, as a result of our

:47:32.:47:35.

discussions. We have the European global adjustment fund which is also

:47:36.:47:41.

a factor. There was no one factor, but the factor within the control of

:47:42.:47:47.

the UK Government is energy. We cannot control the production around

:47:48.:47:52.

the world, but anything that improves the competitiveness of the

:47:53.:47:55.

Welsh steel industry, for example Port Talbot against the Netherlands,

:47:56.:47:58.

has the be welcomed, and that is not where we are at the moment, which

:47:59.:48:02.

does not will dwell for the steel industry. -- does not bode well.

:48:03.:48:11.

Improving the competitiveness is important. Have we looked at what

:48:12.:48:17.

the Welsh government can do to help with that? I know it is small in

:48:18.:48:20.

comparison to the energy costs, but other issues can specifically help

:48:21.:48:26.

Tata in terms of being more competitive. I know this is

:48:27.:48:30.

something the Minister is considering, but we have to be

:48:31.:48:32.

careful it is not favouring one industry from the other. It is

:48:33.:48:37.

something we are examining. It comes at a cost, as members would know. In

:48:38.:48:42.

terms of high energy costs, that is not a cost to government and, which

:48:43.:48:47.

is something that could be done by the UK Government now. We will do

:48:48.:48:50.

what we can to help, but it is a drop in the ocean compared to what

:48:51.:48:59.

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