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Hello again. Welcome to the programme and our weekly coverage of

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questions to the First Minister. AMs are here for the recession to ask

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Carwyn Jones about help for farmers and GP facilities in Wales. You can

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follow all the latest on our Twitter feed and find us at wales politics.

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Let us cross to the chamber for questions for the First Minister. I

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call the National Assembly to order and the first item on the agenda is

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questions to the First Minister and the first question is for Paul

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Davies. What is the Welsh Government doing to support farmers and

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Pembrokeshire? The Welsh Government is working to support the industry

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so that it becomes more profitable, sustainable, resilient and ensuring

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that farmers make a profit ultimately. Thank you, the decision

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to axe of the European Union is going to have a major impact on the

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agricultural industry and it is important that governments work

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together to support our farmers in the future, but there is huge

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concern among farmers and Pembrokeshire about the possibility

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of introducing a nitrate vulnerable zone, because of a decision taken by

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people to leave the European Union can you tell us where this leaves

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the consultation that your government intended to introduce on

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these films and whether these plans are to proceed? That is ongoing,

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bearing in mind that the environmental law which has been

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transposed into Welsh law will remain in place although the UK is

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to leave the European Union and that will be an issue for the Welsh

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Government to decide which laws should be retained ultimately and

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which laws would not be retained. Many farmers in Pembrokeshire and

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elsewhere in Wales have already diversify it into tourism. Given

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this vote taken on the referendum and Paul has already mentioned the

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fact that there is so much uncertainty among farmers now, will

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the Welsh Government do more to promote tourism and encourage more

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farmers to go down that particular route? It is true to say that we

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have supported farmers in doing that through schemes such as farming

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connect, through the raw role development plan, it is important

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that we ensure that all means of making a profit are presented to

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farmers in order to ensure that forms a more sustainable. Simon

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Thomas. Thank you Presiding Officer, one of our best-known agricultural

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produce from the zones is potatoes and Pembrokeshire have PGI status

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and the current regime which allows farmers and producers to sell their

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produce as something which is unique from a particular area. PGI goes

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along with members of of the European Union, does the government

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have any plans or intention to introduce something similar for

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Wales as we exit the European Union? It will be crucially important, it

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is uncertain as to what the situation is but if that were to be

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lost, it would not only be a blow to Pembrokeshire potatoes but also to

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the Lamb export market which is important. One of the things that we

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can ensure that we sell, we can give a guarantee to purchasers that the

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lamb is from Wales and of the highest quality and the same is true

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with potatoes. If we were to lose those statuses, we would have to

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ensure that we have equal status in Wales and that buyers could have the

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same confidence. Julie Morgan. While the First Minister could choose

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information about the Cardiff City deal? We are committed to this. We

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have not yet have the response from the UK Government. In terms of them

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guaranteeing that the funding element of that deal that comes from

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European funds would be honoured by them and that is a direct impact.

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One of the key planks of the city deal is the Metro which could

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transform transport services in South Wales and the valleys and as

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the First Minister has said, a sizeable amount of the project money

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has not yet been signed off. What opportunity with the First Minister

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have to negotiate directly with Europe about continuation or

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obtaining the rest of that money? As things stand, as soon as the Kingdom

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leaves the European Union, then axis to that funding will end. I put in

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place a team in Brussels to look at negotiating on the behalf of Wales,

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in parallel with the UK, but if the European funding is not made up by

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the UK Government and clearly that leaves a hole in funding and we will

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have to revise the plans that we currently have. Neil McEvoy. Before

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I come to a question, I was heckled last week and you called me a

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coward. I would suggest that you behave... This is a question. Ask

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the question. I will ask the First Minister to behave more like a First

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Minister. My question is coming now. My statement remains. I have just

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shared a conference on the city deal... Ask your question. I am

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asking my question. I have just shared a conference on the city

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deal. Ask your question. I think we know by now that you have just

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shared something, tell us what it is then ask your question. There were

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hundreds of delegates from the food sector, from government, yet there

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was only one person from a local business, my question is, why our

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local communities, why our local businesses not being included in the

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city deal? The small businesses are the backbone of this economy and yet

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their voices hardly heard, why is that? If he chaired it, I am not

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surprised that few businesses were there. The reality is that

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businesses will be a hugely important part of the deal and we

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will work with local authorities and businesses to make sure that the

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benefits of the deal can be maximised. We heard that the

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Metrodome is central to this concept and unfortunately two weeks ago I

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think we realise, there is a great golf between areas like Cardiff and

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the valleys areas to the north and this was reflected in the voting

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pattern. The Metro does give us a chance to integrate the economic

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future of these important parts of the South Wales economy. I agree

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with that, the concept of the Metro is designed to make it easier for

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those who have jobs in Cardiff to travel quickly into Cardiff but also

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to attract investment away from the coast and further up the valleys. To

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get rid of that perception that our northern valley communities are hard

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to reach. That is not true. We know with the road schemes put in place

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already, we know that with the Metro scheme, that we would be able to say

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to investors that our valley communities are connected to the

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wider economy of south-east Wales and therefore it is a community that

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should be invested in and we are beginning to see that the fruits of

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that are in place. Questions from the party leaders and first of all

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this way, the Leader of the Opposition, Leanne Wood. The

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Westminster political system is in crisis with skulduggery and

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backstabbing in the Conservative and your own party in London and this

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has had a major effect on Wales and on our country's future. With the

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First Minister be prepared to have a word with Welsh MPs to tell them to

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get a grip and do their job, which is to hold the Conservative

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government to account and make sure that Wales gets every single penny

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of the funds that we were promised in the event of the vote to leave

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the European Union? I will not pretend that the Leader of the

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Opposition that things are stable, it is therefore all to see. We will

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fight for every single penny that Wales is old and I am confident that

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all those who represent my party will do the same. I am disappointed

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that you are not prepared to show some leadership on this question. If

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you were not prepared to have a word with your own MPs, perhaps they are

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prepared to listen to this passage from me, voters in our

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constituencies want us to be their voice in this difficult time and

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they want us to tackle the racism that has arisen in our communities,

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they want to get back to work and they want to see us take our country

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forward. The last thing they need right now is more division and more

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infighting. In the public meeting I did last night, I heard from a young

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man whose family has a German background and they are concerned

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about their future. They do not know what rights they will have, they are

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worried about reports in the press that there's status might well be on

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the in negotiations. Many children have been asking questions of their

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parents when they are in this situation and parents are finding it

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very difficult to answer those questions when so much is unknown. I

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hope you can cover this more comprehensively in the urgent

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question later, but we need to be clear that EU citizens are net

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benefit to Wales, we should say that every single one of them are welcome

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here and that they should not have to leave this country if or when

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Brexit eventually takes place. First Minister, what reassurances can you

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give to people living in Wales from other parts of Europe, that you will

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champion them their rights and their families? In a way that gives me the

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opportunity to answer that now. I am happy to do that. I have written to

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the Home Secretary and said to her, that as far as the Welsh Government

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is concerned, we believe that EU citizens living in the UK should

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retain the right to do so after the UK withdraws from the EU. She and I

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are in the same position on that and I believe it is utterly wrong to use

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EU citizens living in the UK as a bargaining chip in negotiations. It

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makes it sound as if they are hostages, they are not, they are

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welcome in Wales. I thank you for that answer. In a different meeting

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that I attended, I heard from a representative of one of the sectors

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that will be heavily affected by the Brexit vote. We were told that the

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further education and skills sector could lose ?760 million in future

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funding if that money is not replaced. If and when that funding

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does not materialise, the young people who are most affected will be

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those who are furthest away from the employment market. That is just one

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sector of Welsh civic society and it shows how important our EU

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membership is and the benefits that are there and they should not just

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be discarded. Do you agree that those voices from civic society

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deserve to be heard when the Brexit terms are negotiated and will you

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draw up an official Welsh negotiating position to be agreed by

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this National Assembly and sent to the incoming UK Prime Minister. If

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you were unable to hold the new Tory leader in Westminster to account for

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the promises that were made in the EU referendum campaign, can you tell

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us how those apprenticeship places, the training courses, the back to

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work schemes that are currently benefiting some of the most

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disadvantaged people in some of the most disadvantaged communities in

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Wales will be available to them in the future? She is right to point

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out the funding gap that would exist and secondly, we have discussed the

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issue of what the negotiating stand should be. Firstly, we will explore

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every possible avenue of benefit to Wales, secondly I have already asked

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the economy secretary to announce measures to protect jobs in ten

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economic stability. Yesterday, the role affairs Secretary and I met key

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figures from the agriculture and fisheries sectors to discuss the

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lament of the decision to leave the European Union, but I have to say

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that there is a duty on those who called for the UK to leave the EU to

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ensure that the promises they made in terms of funding for Wales are

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honoured. I have to say, that the evidence of that now is getting

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thinner by the day. The question is where the Welsh public told the

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truth before the referendum or is the truth emerging now?

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I assure the First Minister is where there is no question of EU citizens

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currently living in the United Kingdom being used bargaining chips

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because there rights are protected under the 1969 convention? We need

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to have clarity. There needs to be a response from the current Home

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Secretary in order that people can have assurance that many people that

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have lived in the UK for many years will not have the rights of

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residents removed. The First Minister has rightly mentioned

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prospects for employment in Wales following are leaving the EU and he

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will be aware that the Welsh Government is sitting on a decision

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in relation to the circuit of wheels. There was a problem over the

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size of the guarantee that would be required for funding the project. I

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understand that has been reduced to less than 50% of the total. There

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does not seem to be a reason why we cannot move swiftly to a decision to

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give this guarantee so that this huge job making project can go

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ahead. Can't the first research area we have got to? The employment

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Secretary will be making an announcement on this next week. I am

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delighted to hear that because it is important to all of south-east Wales

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and beyond. It is the biggest regeneration project that we have

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seen in many years. ?380 million. I do not expect the freshness can

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anticipate the Cabinet Secretary's forthcoming and entered but I hope

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he will accept from me that it is reported that the Welsh cup and

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gives the go-ahead to this project. All this will be taken into

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consideration. The economy secretary will be making an announcement next

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week on the progress of the scheme. First Minister, you earlier alluded

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to the fact that you and the Cabinet Secretary for brutal fears met with

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farming union 's yesterday. In questions to weeks ago the Cabinet

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Secretary said she did not believe that farmers were perhaps the best

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people to run businesses. Do you believe that is the case as Jamaat

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that is not what she said. -- believe that is the case? That is

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not what she said. As far as farming is concerned, there is no such thing

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as British agricultural policy, it is entirely devolved, there are

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opportunities for farming to work with us, and what support they may

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want in the future, although that depends on money being made

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available from the UK Government. In terms of fisheries what should be

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done with Welsh territorial waters in terms of who should be able to

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fish in them and whether Welsh bolts wanted us to negotiate with other

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administrations. This quarter was about it quote from the record of

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proceedings and I do note that you did not distance yourself from that.

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If I could also ask a question on the U released on the day of the

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referendum of 23rd of June relation to the agreement with the Liberal

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Democrats and in particular the assertion made by Kirsty Williams

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that the implications had significant budget implications over

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the nine education commitments that were made between you and the

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Liberal Democrats. What is the totality of the commitment that you

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have given an Financial Times to meet the commitment that you made to

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the Liberal Democrats that brought them into Government? That is a

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reasonable question. The words that were quartered in the correspondence

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see significant budget implications. Whenever there is European funding

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for a project, that project has to be looked at carefully when that

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European funding comes to an end. I would have thought that was obvious.

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Unless that money is made up by the UK Government has promised then it

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is clear in the future that some schemes will not be able to be

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funded in the bay but we would hope. He is very keen on quotations this

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afternoon. But the offer some to him. 2nd of March, Andrew RT Davies,

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I can guarantee that money would be be distributed around the UK,

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otherwise it would be failing in its remit to deliver help and support to

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the nation, he means the UK by that. We cannot continue with operation

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fear driving people into the ballot box because you are scared of them

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voting one way. June 14, campaigners for a Leave Vought has said money

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from Brussels will be the teens by a UK Government in the event Brexit.

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Andrew RT Davies says today's announcement is welcome and further

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evidence that Wales would be better off outside the European Union. We

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now know that funding for each and every part of the UK including Wales

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would be safe if we vote to leave. June 21, Wales could be half ?1

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billion per year better off if the UK courts to leave the European

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Union on Thursday. Senior Government ministers have already pledged to

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maintain existing EU funding if we vote to leave and additional

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funding, a Barnett Formula share that Wales could receive a free

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leave the EU. And today he told the media it was not about money, it was

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about outcomes. The question for him as this, does he believe that every

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single penny that has been lost to Wales should be made up by the UK

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Government? Does he stand by his quotations or his sea running away

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from them this morning? It is remarkable that you have wasted so

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much of your time, but I am happy you are using my quotation because

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you have got so little to say. I stand by my quotations and I put

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them on the record. I am happy to debate with you any time, any place,

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on the benefits as I say then that people endorsed at the ballot box on

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June 23. I find it amusing after two clear questions, one to distance

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yourself from the Cabinet Secretary who has ridiculed the business

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acumen of farmers, and then over the deal struck with the Liberal

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Democrats to bring them into Government that in their own words

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has budgeted locations for your Government. I do not think these are

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like Landis questions. In the campaign you did say that for every

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new budget commitment that was made by your Government there would have

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two big cuts elsewhere. Nine weeks after the election it is not an

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reasonable for the leader of the Conservatives in the assembly to us

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to the question, you have committed this money to the Liberal Democrats

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commitments, where are you getting that money from? It is not to do

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with the Brexit vote, it is a commitment you made prior to the

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Brexit fought because these discussions were prior to the Brexit

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sport. Where is the money coming from to meet the significant natural

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commitments? Could we have a simple and straightforward answer all that

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you do not know? Can I use a Belfast fleas? He is living in a world of

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squeaky white mice. If he thinks he can get away from the fact that he

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has failed the people of Wales by saying he will not fight for every

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penny, he had the opportunity to declare as position, he feels to do

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it. He is right to point that there will be budget difficulties. That is

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true because we will be losing EU money, ?650 million per year is

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going to be lost to our budget as a result of Brexit. But all that money

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is made that as he promised, as he promised three times, by the UK

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governments, that will help. The question for him as this, will he

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stand by the people of Wales or Bobby run away from the mess that he

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has created Mr Mark -- created? Will you make a statement on GP

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facilities? A number of new primary care facilities have been opened

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across north Wales. Buildings of the highest quality for GPs. There is a

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critical situation in my constituency and I want to draw your

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attention to the terrible problem that exists there and ask you to

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intervene. This has been going on for about ten years. They have over

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5000 patients in the surgery. The building is completely

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inappropriate. There is not enough space. Patient confidentiality is

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under threat. It is not possible to expand the building. Ten years ago

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the health board said that improvements to the surgery was a

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priority but the facilities have not improved at all. Do you believe this

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dragging feet is acceptable? Because the health board is in the special

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measures will you intervene in order to move things forward urgently? The

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member is right on the situation. There are huge pressures there. I

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understand that the surgery is discussing this in great detail with

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the health board. The problem has to be resolved as soon as possible, I

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understand that. There would have to be an application from the surgery

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in the first instance, but to do that it would have to be discussed

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with the health board in order to ensure that that application was the

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right one, but I know that the health board understands the

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situation that they need to secure more space for the surgery

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ultimately. I understand that was a shop at one time. But now that 5000

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people are served there, only 1000 at the outset, so clearly the

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problem needs to be resolved as quickly as possible. The loss of

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dozens of community beds, NHS staff told me that new community beds

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would take pressure off general hospitals and enable the health

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board to use its resources more efficiently. How do you respond to

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the statement by GPs in the assembly to weeks ago that community beds

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adds to the breadth of things a GP can do and that local care in a GP

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unit in community hospitals enabling them to then discharged people home

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prevents the need to put people into general hospitals and assist

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secondary and primary care? This does happen in many parts of Wales,

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particularly parts of brutal wheels. While it is important that each

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health board considers the right model for its area. -- parts of

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brutal Wales. We need to make sure that people get the right support.

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What is the Welsh Government is doing to support library services in

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mid and West Wales? We will supply grant funding for three new

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libraries in mid and West Wales. I do not or if the First Minister is

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aware that a County Council plans to have ?50,000 in cats to the library

:26:41.:26:44.

budgets between now and 2019 which would involve cutting half of the

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library service and the possible closure of 11 branch libraries? Will

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he join me in regretting these priorities because libraries must be

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regarded as a vitally important part of the wider education service in

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this country. It is a matter for local authorities regarding library

:27:05.:27:08.

services but one of the libraries that will receive money will receive

:27:09.:27:14.

money in order to modernise but it is for local authorities to decide

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how they modernise services? Library services are a valued community

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asset, so much so that in Newport local communities are working with

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the County Council to keep libraries open as a community managed resource

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in the face of Torre Stella C cuts. Would he join me in thanking those

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volunteers for their efforts and in particular to thank me in those

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areas that need extra support? Yes I would join the member in thanking

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those people. I have seen an example where volunteers are running the

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library and I know that the library service, one of the stories I heard

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is that people are now more likely to use the library. One -- some

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people thought the library had closed years ago. Also to ensure

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that knowledge about the library was more widespread in the community.

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Julien Quesne the leak that we commemorate the 100th anniversary of

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the Battle of the Somme it is important that we recognise the

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important role that archive plays. The archive is currently being

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restored. Valuable documents have unfortunate

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thing is visited upon them. Join with me in welcoming the restoration

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of this important cultural archive and Wales and outline what your

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Government is doing to help other valuable archives in Wales to be

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restored and kept for the future of the nation? The example that the

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member Dave has been helped by funding from the Welsh Government.

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Another example is the relocation of Gwent archives. A brand-new

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building. A hugely important resource and one that is accessible.

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Will the First Minister make a statement on proposed housing

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development? We continue to invest in social housing and that will be

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an important element of 20,000 affordable homes in this term and we

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are supporting both local authorities and housing associations

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to meet that target. I believe in the importance of social housing,

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many of my constituents are on the waiting list and I want to stress

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the importance of ending the right to buy so that we can begin

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building. Can some of the funding currently given to housing

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associations be given to support council house building? I am keen to

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avoid this be seen as a competition. We want to see more ambition from

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local authorities when it comes to house building, it is difficult

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because local authorities were prevented from house-building but we

:30:34.:30:37.

are working with both local authorities and housing associations

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to develop a delivery plan. Beth and Jenkins. A cap on housing benefit at

:30:43.:30:52.

local housing allowance rates will apply from April 2018 bid only to

:30:53.:30:57.

tenancies signed after April 2016 and this reform is better intended

:30:58.:31:02.

to align the roles in the private and social rented sectors but it

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will lead to prospective tenants experiencing further issues of

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affordability if they are in receipt of benefits or require further

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welfare support. In light of the UK Government's decision, what plans

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does the Welsh Government have to ensure their continued provision of

:31:24.:31:28.

supported housing to some of the most honourable people in society?

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We want to ensure that those who are most fundable do not suffer as a

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result of decisions taken elsewhere and I know the minister is actively

:31:37.:31:41.

looking at the current situation in order to mitigate any empath on the

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most fungible. Susie Davis. While we all agree that more houses are

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needed, my constituents in some communities are not persuaded that

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their plans reflect the need for provision for the right houses in

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the right places to reflect the needs of people during different

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times in their lives. Can you confirm that in building Council

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houses local authorities will be bound to give strong due regard to

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the concerns of local residents about locations and secondly, what

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are you doing at the moment to help councils look forward to providing

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more homes for older people when they are planning council

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house-building in the future? Councils of course will be planning

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according to the demographic change. For many decades houses were built

:32:35.:32:38.

on the basis that they are going to house families. More people are on

:32:39.:32:44.

their own and have been hit hard by the bedroom tax particularly in

:32:45.:32:50.

rural Wales. It is hard to find one bedroom accommodation. Councils have

:32:51.:32:54.

their own local development plan and they must abide by that plan as any

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developer would. During questions to the Cabinet Secretary last month I

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was able to highlight a report from Sheffield Hallam university which

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identified the disproportionate effect benefit cuts had on per

:33:14.:33:20.

communities, particularly concerning local housing benefits. Another

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proposal under the new arrangements is to raise the threshold under

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which payment is made on the shared accommodation rate from 25 years of

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age to 35 years of age, effectively making it more difficult if not

:33:34.:33:38.

impossible for younger people to afford social housing. Can I urge

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the First Minister in any discussions with the UK Government

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to caution against this change which is already resulting in somebody's

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questioning if they can continue to provide social housing for that age

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group? It is part of the theme, were the younger you are, the more you

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have to pay, for housing benefit, access housing, getting your foot on

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the mortgage ladder, there has never been a more difficult time. I had it

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easy and so did my parents but now it is more difficult. We have to

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make a point that more needs to be done to help young people to get

:34:15.:34:18.

into accommodation, not discriminating against them because

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of their age, the same as the minimum wage. Question six, Hannah

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blinding. We are in regular dialogue with the companies and the economy

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secretary that with Airbus last Friday and we will be ready to key

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companies in Wales including the anchor comedies with a view to

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holding a forum focusing on issues raised. Thank you, many of my

:34:51.:34:59.

constituencies are employed in large agencies and the vote to leave the

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EU has created uncertainty for them and also the hundreds employed via

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the supply chain. Can the First Minister in sure that the workforce

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and their families will have their livelihood fought for? I can give

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that absolutely. I know how important Airbuses in Wales. I know

:35:21.:35:25.

particularly with the thousands that are employed there, that they will

:35:26.:35:31.

be uncertain about the future. They are waiting to see what the outcome

:35:32.:35:36.

of the negotiations will be, particularly over access to the

:35:37.:35:41.

single market. If we do not get that, there are immense difficulties

:35:42.:35:44.

and we will work hard to ensure that companies like Airbus continue to

:35:45.:35:50.

benefit from axis to a market of 500 million people. Following on, has

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the Welsh Government had an opportunity to make an initial

:35:57.:36:00.

analysis of the relative merits of the various rather bewildering array

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of Brexit options that have been mentioned like Norway, Switzerland,

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Canada and Singapore, bizarrely, and particularly because of the

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importance of preservation of axis to the single market, has he come to

:36:17.:36:22.

the conclusion, as many in the business community have that it

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properly looks like the least worst option? That would ensure access to

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the single market and that is currently the only model on the

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table, the answer must be yes, that would involve free movement of

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people and we know that many people voted on that issue, above the issue

:36:42.:36:48.

of jobs in the referendum. The difficulty is, at this moment in

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time, there is no model being proposed that would allow axis to

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the single market without there being free movement of people.

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Switzerland have not been able to do it, it is simply the model. The

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reality is that the UK Government has no real idea of what kind of

:37:07.:37:10.

model might work in the future which shows the uncertainty of the times

:37:11.:37:14.

we are living in which is why we want to provide as much certainty as

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we can and secondly, why it needs to be provided as soon as possible at

:37:20.:37:27.

UK level. I am only too well aware of the valuable importance of

:37:28.:37:34.

Airbus, 6000 jobs they provide and I know in a statement after the

:37:35.:37:38.

referendum result, they said that they are looking to constructively

:37:39.:37:43.

work with the UK Government to provide support for their workers

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and indeed to carry on with their operations here. How will you as

:37:48.:37:51.

First Minister in your government provides the insurance that they

:37:52.:37:57.

probably need right now? Have you visited Airbus in order to have

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those senior management level talks so that they receive that assurance

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that he will be working hard to support them? I met with the

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President of the company the week of the referendum. I have regular

:38:14.:38:22.

meetings with Airbus -- Airbus to listen to their concerns, all

:38:23.:38:25.

manufacturers are saying to me that they are concerned about axis to the

:38:26.:38:30.

single market. They are European operations and if the UK is outside

:38:31.:38:35.

of the market, there are consequences for investment. If you

:38:36.:38:39.

are an international company, you are more likely to invest inside

:38:40.:38:43.

cider market than outside it, that is why it is hugely important that

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we continue to have axis to the single market, tariff free, I cannot

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imagine what our Welsh lamb farmers it's

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a 15% tariff is imposed on the land they produce that is sold in the

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European market, and of course stealer as well, whether tariffs

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would be higher, it is by glee important, regardless of the other

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issues, bearing in mind the way people voted, that axis to the

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single market without tariffs remains. With the First Minister

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confirm, and I am not implying in any way that you were involved, that

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during the 1970s, France and Britain Co-op are to to build Concorde. I

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believe there was an agreement. Well before we became members of the EU.

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The inference of this is of course that matters at Airbus will continue

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unabated and that this debate now is another example of scaremongering

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which we had, both before Brexit and is carrying on after Brexit. I had

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nothing to do with Concorde, its maiden flight occurred when I was

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two! Concorde was an example of UK and French corporation that was a

:40:05.:40:08.

failure. It did not work, it never worked on a commercial basis. He has

:40:09.:40:13.

to bear in mind that the UK was desperate to join the Common Market

:40:14.:40:18.

in 1973, desperate to join because the UK economy was in a weak state.

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This idea that the UK was forced against its will, is untrue, it was

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desperate to join. Of course there will be corporation -- cooperation,

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but we are apart at the moment of a market of 500 million people and if

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we have to pay a price to enter that market, then our manufacturers will

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pay a press to enter the market and there will be a price in terms of

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jobs and that is the last thing anyone wants to see. When the First

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Minister met a statement on European regulations relating to air

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pollution posed Brexit? EU tractors have driven much of that legislation

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and we will look at these on a case-by-case basis. Local air

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quality management is driven by the environment act 1995. Thank you.

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European environmental protections must not be sacrificed, there is no

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doubt that we cannot afford a future UK Government to weaken these

:41:19.:41:23.

limits. While the regulations remain outside the EU we will lose the

:41:24.:41:27.

vital in forces that EU law provided. Air pollution and climate

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change are serious issues, not just for this generation but for future

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generations. Following the referendum result, will the Welsh

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Government do all I can to enshrine these protections and ensure that

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these rules are enforced? What has already transposed into law will

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remain in Welsh law. It is a matter for the Welsh Government and

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assembly to decide which laws should remain but it is worth pointing out

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that it has been European incentives that have enabled the UK to clean up

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its act. I grew up in Bridgend were the river ran different colours

:42:12.:42:15.

according to what was thrown into it. It would be red, green, black

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and it does not happen now. You can see the bottom of it now. There is

:42:22.:42:27.

the salmon run, that would have been unthinkable 30 years ago. Much of

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that drive has come from Europe in order to make sure that they caught

:42:32.:42:35.

up with the rest. I want to make sure we do not lose the drive that

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has existed for the past 30 years. Both Conservative and Labour

:42:44.:42:47.

governments have recognised the need to legislate to improve air quality

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by introducing measures to control and reduce pollution. Many of these

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measures were passed before we joined the European Union, for

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example, the clean air act of 1956 and 1968, does the First Minister

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agree, it is inconceivable that any future UK Government will take

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action to reverse any current EU regulation in place to regulate air

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quality in Wales? I do not think it is inconceivable after what I heard

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about fracking, I do not believe that. When the clean air act came

:43:26.:43:31.

in, people were dropping dead in London because of toxic fog. There

:43:32.:43:36.

was not much choice other than to introduce the legislation. In the

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1980s, there was a river in Yorkshire that would catch fire if

:43:42.:43:46.

you through a match into it. Our air quality was poor, all that has

:43:47.:43:50.

improved and we have been driven in that direction by the European

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Union, otherwise we would not have done it ourselves and I intend to

:43:55.:43:58.

make sure that the environment that the people in Wales enjoy and have

:43:59.:44:02.

come to deserve will remain that way in the future. I will not go back to

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the days when I was young when there were tips everywhere and people

:44:07.:44:10.

expected things would remain that way, not so, we are a country now

:44:11.:44:15.

were we can be proud of our environment. Thank you. First

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Minister, given that the pollution created by shipping is 260 times

:44:21.:44:25.

that produced by all the cars in the world and that action is required on

:44:26.:44:29.

a global level instead of a continental one, what discussions

:44:30.:44:33.

has the First Minister had with the International Maritime Organisation

:44:34.:44:38.

and others in an effort to address the global air pollution problem.

:44:39.:44:47.

We are hugely reliant on exports, the last thing we want to do is

:44:48.:44:54.

reduce our ability to export. Our strategy reflect that.

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Will the First Minister outlined the risks to the Welsh economy if the UK

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Government does not guarantee every penny of funding which the EU

:45:07.:45:13.

currently provides Wales? ?650 million per annum would be lost in

:45:14.:45:18.

terms of Government spending including ?260 million in farm

:45:19.:45:25.

subsidy. Since 2007 EU projects have created 11,900 enterprises and

:45:26.:45:34.

37,000 jobs. This EU funding has helped 72,700 people. 72,700 people

:45:35.:45:41.

into work, helped more than 29,000 people gain qualifications and has

:45:42.:45:45.

funded 56,000 people into further running since 2007. Under the

:45:46.:45:53.

current 1.8 billion EU supporters programme 700 million of EU

:45:54.:45:55.

structure funding has been committed and that is just 40% of the total

:45:56.:46:02.

allocation for the 2014-2020 period, can the first must state what

:46:03.:46:07.

actions the First Minister -- the Welsh Government can take to ensure

:46:08.:46:14.

that the levers pledge that Welsh funding will not be affected is

:46:15.:46:18.

kept, unlike the other broken promises that we have heard? The

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difficulty is that those who have advocated some of these pledges have

:46:25.:46:28.

run our way. They have thrown a brick through a window and run away.

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I expect some of those people who have made those pledges only be in

:46:34.:46:37.

Government in the next few months to keep to those pledges. That was a

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vote that has made to the people of Wales and in other countries and

:46:42.:46:46.

regions of England. I cannot think of anything that would bring

:46:47.:46:49.

politics more into disrepute if politicians say on the one hand

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every single penny would be guaranteed and then turn around and

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see if we did not mean that. We did not been that. That would mean a

:46:57.:47:00.

breach of the most fundamental pledge made to the people of Wales

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and the people of Wales will hold both people to account.

:47:05.:47:13.

I am pleased that the Government has given a commitment to develop a

:47:14.:47:18.

business plan on the Britannia Bridge. We are expecting

:47:19.:47:23.

developments soon. That is a project that we would have expected to meet

:47:24.:47:27.

a bid for European funding for as a contribution towards its cost

:47:28.:47:30.

because of the importance of the a 55 as part of the European transport

:47:31.:47:36.

network. May I ask the first blister what his view is on the possibility

:47:37.:47:44.

of losing that source of funding? -- ask the First Minister. Will he give

:47:45.:47:48.

a commitment to put pressure on the UK Government to ensure that funding

:47:49.:47:54.

is provided perhaps as part of some plan for the Welsh economy?

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The Marshall plan funding came from the United States that they

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understand the point you are making. Every penny lost should be made up

:48:06.:48:09.

by those who promised that that would be the case, that that would

:48:10.:48:14.

happen. We have heard from those who argued that we should leave the

:48:15.:48:19.

European Union. They said there would be tonnes of money available.

:48:20.:48:24.

Let us see where that money is for Wales and to ensure that the people

:48:25.:48:28.

of Wales can decide how that money is spent. But of course all we have

:48:29.:48:31.

heard this people withdrawing from that pledge. We are strongly of the

:48:32.:48:40.

view that we should fight for Wales and not fight against Wales and that

:48:41.:48:42.

is what we have heard in this chamber from some people today.

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There we are - that was First Minister's Questions.

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