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Hello again. Welcome to the programme and our weekly coverage of

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questions to the First Minister. We are in the middle of a tumultuous

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period for British and Welsh politics, dominated by fallout from

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the EU referendum. Now AMs have returned to Cardiff Bay to discuss

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all that as well as other topics, ranging from assistance to Syrian

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refugees to cancer treatment. Don't forget, you can follow all the

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latest on Welsh politics on our Twitter feed: Let's cross to the

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chamber for questions to the First Minister.

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TRANSLATION: I call the National Assembly to order and the first item

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on the agenda is questions to the First Minister and the first

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question now. Will the First Minister make a statement on basic

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payment scheme payments to farmers? Over 99% of eligible farm businesses

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have been paid. Thank you. I'm obliged to raise this question

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actually as a result of my own intense concerns at the handling of

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basic payments for the still outstanding to our farmers and your

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own Government department's process. 17,063 farmers submitted their

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applications in June 2015. Yet 12 months later, there are

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approximately 171 yet to receive any payment. Indeed I have represented

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farmers who have waited several months for payment without any

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acknowledgement of their application and many promised that they've been

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paid when they have not. One was for ?60,000. First Minister, the delay

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of such magnitude is now putting farmers' livelihoods at risk.

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Outstanding payments are causing immense stress and frustration.

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First Minister, will you look into - your own Government department's

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workings, to ensure our hard working farmers and the custodians of our

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countryside are not facing potential financial ruin because of your own

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Government department delays? I repeat again the answer I gave to

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the original question, over 99% of eligible farm businesses have been

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paid. They've had a basic payment scheme payment. If there are

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individual farms with difficulties, the correct thing to do is raise the

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difficulties with the minister to be looked at for those individuals. We

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consistently out perform England and Scotland year upon year upon year

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when it comes to paying our farmers. TRANSLATION: First Minister, I'm

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sure that you like I regret the fact that so many farmers have voted to

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vote the, voted to leave the European Union. There's no taut that

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did happen. One of the reasons they gave me for considering that was not

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that the payments were late, but that penalties and fines would

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follow minor disagreements or minor errors, as were identified by Civil

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Service in the claims for these payments. Now you've lost a great

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deal of confidence among the farming community because of those

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penalties, when Phil Hogan and the European Commission said it was

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possible to be flexible, though that's water under the bridge now,

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can you revive the reputation of the Welsh Government among farmers by

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looking at the situation where penalties follow what should be a

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discussion between yourselves, as the Government, and farmers about

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their payments? I ask the member to write to me with more details. We

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have been following the regulations that exist at present. Of course, we

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have been paying farmers much more quickly than the case in Scotland or

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England. As regards the details of the individual farmers, I'd be

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pleased to receive a letter to consider what's happened. Will the

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First Minister provide an update on the Syrian refugees being resettled

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in Wales? 78 refugees were resettled in Wales as of the end of May. We

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expect more to arrive over the coming months. I thank the First

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Minister for that response. It's been disturbing to hear the racist

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comments since the results of the EU referendum. We hope that won't

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affect the really good welcome given in Wales to the Syrian refugees. But

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what more does the First Minister think can be done to help refugee

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children, in particular, and unaccompanied asylum seeking

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children to get the maximum support from the local authorities and

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communities where they're placed? I can inform the member that the

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taskforce was established in November 2015. That is supported by

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an operations board. There is a children's subgroup of that

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operations board. That will ensure coordination of schemes to take

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refugee children from the Middle East and north Africa, unaccompanied

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asylum seeking children from camps and those arriving in Kent. A

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conference is hosted by the Home Office with the local authorities to

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launch the national transfer scheme in Wales.

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First Minister, I echo the concerns raised in relation to racist

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comments that have happened since the European vote last week. I would

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condemn those, that approach to the reaction to the European referendum.

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I wonder, have you considered how moving forward with the Communities

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Minister potentially, how we can bring communities together? Quite

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often a lot of people have voted in this referendum, be it for reasons

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that they were voting against the establishment, voting against

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poverty in their local areas - how can we try now, regardless of the

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vote, to bring people together to move forward as a nation, so that we

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do not see future situation where's people are divided and turning

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against each other in their own communities? There is no doubt that

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our nation is divided. It's important that cohesion is

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re-established. I don't believe that division has sudden lay peered. I

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don't think suddenly people have changed their minds in the way they

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perceive others. There will be a small nigh for the who feel that

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way. That's true of almost every country in the world, unfortunately.

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No, I think the emphasis now has to be, and I'll mention it later on in

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the debate, that now is the time to rebuild and unite our nation of

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Wales in order to make sure that what we've seen as a break down in

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some communities in terms of cohesion is not something that we

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should see in the long-term. First Minister, can I join with those

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who've already expressed their condemnation of the racist attacks

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and criticisms that have taken place on social immediate why and

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elsewhere in recent days. But can you also join with me in praising

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the work of faith communities across Wales who've done their utmost to

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protect those Syrian refugees and others who have come to Wales to

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flee persecution in their countries and in particular, the Syrian

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Orthodox Church which has strong representation in Wales and has

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engaged both with the faith communities forum, which you chair,

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and the work of the Assembly, with the cross-party group on faith? Yes,

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the community forum is hugely useful in terms of identifying problems and

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for planning for the future. It's a true example of those from many

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different faiths working together in the common interests of promoting

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the welfare of humanity, if I can put it that way. It's a forum that

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works very well. I look forward to it continuing in the future. I note

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that Newport, Cardiff and Swansea are all in the top ten of UK cities

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for receiving refugees. Do we have any idea what is the total cost to

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local authorities in Wales of housing the recent wave of refugees?

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There are 78 of them. It's not a substantial cost. We expect those

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costs to be met in whole or part by the Home Office.

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TRANSLATION: Now move to questions from the party leaders. The first

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question to the First Minister this week from the leader of the Welsh

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Conservatives. Thank you Presiding Officer. First

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Minister, I'd like to identify with the sentiments expressed by other

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members. There is no room for any intolerance and in particular racism

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in any part of our country, here in Wales or any part of the United

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Kingdom. I stand shoulder to shoulder with any member and any

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institution who is standing to defend those liberties to make sure

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that people can speak freely and openly in any part of this country.

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We cannot allow any festering sentiment to actually contaminate

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the democracy we hold so dear to ourselves and to this great country

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of ours. First Minister, I'd like to ask you, last week we had the

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referendum. The result is understood. The consequences are

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unfolding before us and negotiations will start shortly. On the weekend,

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you said that this wasn't your election, on the Sunday supplement

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programme. It is a vital referendum that has just taken place, in fact,

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in credit to you, you did say back at the start of the referendum

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campaign, this was the most important vote for a generation and

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a vote forever. Can you assure me that was merely a media slip on

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Sunday supplement and you did engage fully and you didn't look at this

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referendum as someone else's referendum to fight? It's not the

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ground that I would have chosen. All the time I told the Prime Minister

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that. It's important that we had the referendum and the result is now

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known. It's hardly a ringing endorsement

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then, is it? I do think it's important to understand how the

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Welsh Government has been preparing for the outcome of the referendum.

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Obviously the Chancellor has confirmed that the UK Government

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irrespective of its position in that referendum was preparing for both

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scenarios. Obviously, there are people in receipt of European monies

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and grants and that will continue so long as we are part of and paying

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into the European pot. What work was undertaken and commissioned by you

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as First Minister, within Welsh Government, to make sure that both

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outcomes were modelled and Welsh Government was in the best place

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possible to assist with information and support whatever the outcome of

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that referendum was? That will be part of debate later on. Like I say,

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the outcome is impossible to model. We have no idea what the final deal

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will look like. Until we have an understanding of that, do we know

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whether there will be access to the single market? We know that the

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people of Wales voted to leave the EU. Beyond that we don't know what

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model we will get in two years. Until we see that, it will be

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difficult to pass judgment upon it. I know he is in favour of free

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movement of people. He's said that today. He's also in favour of Welsh

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money being kept in London, in the Treasury, which is another thing he

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said today. I have to say to him that many people said on the

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doorstep, when they were asked about European money funding projects in

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their communities, they said, it's our money any way. I have written to

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the Prime Minister saying I expect every single penny, every single

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penny that we will lose when we cease to be eligible for European

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funding to be made up by the UK Government and that money to come to

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Wales. He has said today that he does not mind if that money is

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locked up in Treasury in Westminster. This money is the money

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that is there for the people of Wales. It is not for the UK Treasury

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or for him to interfere with their rights. First Minister, I did not

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say locked up in the Treasury. I said there will be a new model of

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the way Government undertakes itself in any part of the United Kingdom. I

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have asked you two questions today: The first question was did you

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commit yourself fully to the referendum? You didn't respond to

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that question. I asked you: What modelling the Welsh Government had

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undertaken to deal with the outcome of the referendum. Not the

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negotiations, the outcome of the referendum. Because there is

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interaction on a daily basis with organisations across Wales who have

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been supported by the Welsh Government and in receipt of

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European money. That is a perfectly reasonable question to ask, what

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preparer to work was -- work was put in place by the Welsh Government to

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deal with both evergeualities out of the referendum. You have not given

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me an answer on that. On the third question then, if I'm not getting

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answers from you today, will you reach out to all sections of

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political opinion to make sure that their views are represented in the

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negotiations going forward from Wales? Because clearly, from the

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parties in front of me, those views were not represented in the outcome

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of the referendum. It is important that all opinions are taken into

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account so that Wales' voice can be heard clearly, loudly and above all,

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making sure that the commitments we require are returned to Wales. That

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does mean that every penny that Wales is due is received here in

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Wales and spent here. I can quote his exact words. Why

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should the Welsh government handled the money? That is what he said. Why

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shouldn't the money comes straight from Westminster, bypassing the

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elect to legislator and the people of Wales? He has gone on about the

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need for Britain, as he put it, to enjoy is freedom and its

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sovereignty. He thinks it is pathetic that the people of Wales

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should not have access to the money they have access to now. He needs to

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start thinking as if he was Welsh and start looking at things from the

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Welsh perspective. He is in a different position from Ukip. You

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could have been saying every single penny should come to Wales and be

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spent in Wales. He isn't and it is about time we had some clever

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thinking from the Conservatives. I know people go to to leave and

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nothing will change that. He has no idea what happens next. We will be

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explaining the way forward as far as we are concerned. Bearing in mind

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what people have said, from our perspective, this is money that has

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been coming to Wales and money there should still come to Wales. That is

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the right of the Welsh people and are right that he does not respect.

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It is with a heavy heart that I scrutinise you today First Minister.

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I respond in full to the EU debate late on but it is important to focus

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on what you are responsible for now and in particular the delivery of

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public services despite the wider political turmoil. Can my first of

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all put on record that we should all condemn the reported increase in

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racist incidents since the referendum occurred. Racism has no

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place in Welsh society and I know you agree with me on that. Moving to

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the NHS. Our NHS benefits from a mixture of home-grown and

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international staff. 500 doctors from the European Union work within

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the Welsh NHS. Over coming weeks they will carry out operations,

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saving lives, healing the sick as though the referendum never

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happened. Kenny first of all tell us much extra money you will -- you

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would expect the Welsh NHS as a result of the veil made by the Leave

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campaign? Would you be prepared to communicate with all of our public

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service staff from other EU countries and tell them loudly and

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clearly that they are still welcome here in Wales? On the first

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question, she knows the answer. It is already unravelled. Those who

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professed it have said it is not what they meant. We will wait and

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see what they do when they get into government. I agree with what she

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says. Our NHS would not function without medical and nursing staff

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from other countries. It is vital that they are still welcome in Wales

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and I know she has said that strongly and I join her in that. So

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many citizens of other countries have delivered so much care and

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healing and treatment to so many of our people and they awoke in our.

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Thank you for that answer. -- they are welcome in our country. For

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Wales there is an additional risk to capital investment and to industry.

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The Southeast Metro is intended to be partly financed by European

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structural funds which may only be guaranteed up to 2020 if they are

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guaranteed at all. Can you tell us what will happen now to the south

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Wales Metro and the transport projects you have promised for the

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North of Wales as well and turning to industry, can you tell us what is

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likely to happen to Tata Steel and the future of Port Talbot as well as

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other Welsh steel-making plants? I wrote to the Prime Minister

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yesterday and asked him to guarantee every penny that we would lose to

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make sure that came to Wales. If that pledges on it, we can proceed

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with the Metro and other projects. If it is not honoured, there are

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substantial financial gaps in many projects that will benefit the

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people of Wales. I expect that promised to be honoured. On the

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issue of Tata Steel, it has created uncertainty, much more over the last

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few days. The car industry is holding back until it sees what a

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trade deal looks like. Tata Steel supplies many of the car

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manufacturers and the steel industry is in situation where it doesn't

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know what is happening. My view that Article 50 should be triggered

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sooner rather than later. Waiting months for that adds to that

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uncertainty. Better the people know where they stand rather than not

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knowing what will happen for many months and years. Uncertainty is

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never going to be helpful in terms of investment and that is why the

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process has to begin sooner rather than later and conclude as quickly

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as possible. Turning to the wider picture and the wider picture within

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the UK and further afield, I want to see arrangements put in place to

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protect Wales' constitutional status, legislation, funding,

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trading relationship with the rest of Europe while withdrawal takes

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place over the coming years. The UK Government is establishing a

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dedicated civil service unit to preside over Brexit. The Prime

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Minister has said that all devolved governments would be fully involved

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in the decision-making process over EU negotiations. We need to be

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clear. Last week's vote was not a vote to concentrate any additional

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powers at Westminster and pledges were made during that campaign to

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guarantee our funding. How will you move quickly now to secure the best

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possible deal for Wales in all of this turmoil and how will you work

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with others to salvage the situation for this country as best we can,

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especially given the chaos within the UK Government and your own party

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in Westminster? We have to have reassurance for business and I have

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asked the secretary to draw up a number of points that we can put to

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business to make sure we understand we see Wales is open for business.

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In terms of what the future holds, I welcome what the Prime Minister said

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in terms of Wales being involved but I know he can't speak for the next

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Prime Minister who might take a different view. Bearing that in

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mind, we will be establishing a specialist team in our Brussels

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office whose job it would be to talk and negotiate directly with the

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European Commission. That doesn't mean instead of working with the UK

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Government but we need to make sure Wales has a voice and a strong

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voice. We can't get away from the fact that Wales wanted to leave and

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there is no question we go behind the verdict of the electors but that

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doesn't mean we have to work hard to make sure Wales gets the best deal

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possible. We have to make sure we do that. I would not trust some of the

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people I have seen if they are in government to get the best deal for

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Wales and that is crucial we intend to do that. I don't expect you

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greeted the result with as much enthusiasm as I did but Wales did

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vote to leave the EU and a majority both in Bridgend and others voted to

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leave. The Welsh political establishment with uniformly in

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favour of remaining and all the AMs were in favour of remaining. What I

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am concerned to do is to look forward to the future and I

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reiterate what you said a minute ago that Ukip believes every single

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pound that the EU spends our British taxpayer's money in Wales at the

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minute should come to the Welsh government to be spent here. We will

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give you every support we can in this endeavour. Would it not be

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better therefore, in the spirit of co-operation which you started your

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Administration in this Assembly, to involve the leader of the

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Conservatives and myself in making the case for Wales with the UK

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Government because it will be strengthened with the added voices

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of those who actually were in favour of the result which the Welsh people

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voted for? My response is he is right. We saw the result and my

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response was the same as his party in 2011. To have a referendum in

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Wales when it was lost by your party. We have to accept it and we

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move on with the new political landscape. I have written to the

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Prime Minister and expect to get a response. The people of Wales have

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voted for a Welsh government to take forward that response. It is

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important that parties understand their positions as the negotiations

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proceed because what we cannot do is be in a position where a trade deal

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is on the table. It would be dangerous in the way people perceive

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the UK. I am happy to work on the way forward and the team we

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establishing Brussels will help us to do that. The First Minister will

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agree that this offers great opportunities for Wales. I

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appreciate he concentrated on the risks and uncertainties before the

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referendum campaign but now that we have the great opportunities which

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freedom of action gives us, we must capitalise on them and sell things

:24:06.:24:14.

in the wider world on that basis. I associate with what we have heard

:24:15.:24:18.

from the lead of Plaid Cymru with the devolution of power. We will now

:24:19.:24:22.

have the opportunity to take control of our policy on agriculture which

:24:23.:24:26.

means we can tailor to our own needs a policy to suit farmers in Wales

:24:27.:24:31.

rather than have to compromise their interests on account of the

:24:32.:24:35.

interests of farmers in 27 other countries in the EU. I'm grittier

:24:36.:24:41.

eight -- I reiterate my request to involve the other parties other than

:24:42.:24:46.

those in the compacts that have been agreed in these very important

:24:47.:24:49.

discussions which will take place in the course of the next two years, to

:24:50.:24:53.

make sure we get the best deal for Wales and the Welsh people out of

:24:54.:24:57.

this process. There will be involvement with all parties as

:24:58.:25:02.

those discussions continue. It is a sign of this strange alignment of

:25:03.:25:06.

politics and I am listening to the lead of Ukip being more

:25:07.:25:10.

devolutionary than the leader of the Conservatives. That is the irony of

:25:11.:25:13.

the situation. British agriculture won't exist. There is no British

:25:14.:25:20.

agricultural policy. It is the same with fisheries. After the

:25:21.:25:24.

negotiations are concluded, Welsh bowlers will only have access to

:25:25.:25:29.

Welsh Waters and there will be discussion between the different

:25:30.:25:33.

administrations on access which shouldn't be problematic. It is

:25:34.:25:38.

important and this is why I want to meet with representatives of the

:25:39.:25:43.

fishing and farming industry so we can start work on what Welsh

:25:44.:25:47.

agricultural policy looks like. That means it will be a policy designed

:25:48.:25:52.

to look after those hill farmers who struggle on the hills with difficult

:25:53.:25:56.

soil, difficult weather rather than those who do very well in areas of

:25:57.:26:03.

Wales that are easy to farm. It is hugely important that we design and

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agricultural policy that is specific to the needs of Wales and is

:26:07.:26:11.

tailored to the needs of Welsh farmers. That is something I will be

:26:12.:26:18.

working with in the farming unions in Wales. Will the First Minister

:26:19.:26:23.

condemn George Osborne it seems not to have realised that the referendum

:26:24.:26:27.

is over and he is still carrying on with project fear. It was announced

:26:28.:26:31.

they will be spending cuts in the automatic tax increases in the

:26:32.:26:33.

autumn because we have got to live within our means. This comes ill

:26:34.:26:39.

from the mouth of Britain's worst Chancellor in living memory who has

:26:40.:26:42.

doubled the national debt in five years and is still running a budget

:26:43.:26:48.

deficit of 60 or ?70 billion a year. There is no reason whatever arising

:26:49.:26:52.

out of the referendum to force the increases in taxes or spending cuts

:26:53.:26:56.

purely on account of the short-term volatility and financial markets

:26:57.:27:04.

which will shortly be resolved. The lead of Ukip is an optimist. He says

:27:05.:27:08.

there are advantages here. They are not immediately obvious. We are in a

:27:09.:27:15.

period of uncertainty and uncertainty is bad. 50% of what we

:27:16.:27:19.

export from Wales goes into the European Union and so the nature of

:27:20.:27:23.

the deal that we have with our market will be crucial to our future

:27:24.:27:28.

well-being. Until we know what that looks like, it is difficult to

:27:29.:27:34.

understand what the challenge is and that possibilities would be for

:27:35.:27:38.

Welsh business. Businesses are holding back on investment until

:27:39.:27:43.

they get that certainty. One way or another there must be certainty. I

:27:44.:27:48.

do not think that within many months, to begin the formal

:27:49.:27:53.

negotiation process, our four years before there is a final decision is

:27:54.:27:56.

in the interest of businesses. It must be taken forward now as quickly

:27:57.:28:01.

as is reasonably practicable and there has to be a deal on the table

:28:02.:28:05.

that should be ratified with the national parliaments at least. There

:28:06.:28:10.

will be a difficult process but bluntly, the need for certainty for

:28:11.:28:14.

our businesses is absolutely paramount. They will not invest

:28:15.:28:17.

until they have an idea of what the endgame looks like and we are a long

:28:18.:28:19.

way from that. What action will the Welsh

:28:20.:28:26.

Government take to improve treatment of cancer in Wales in the next 12

:28:27.:28:32.

months, please? We will continue to progress the ?200 million programme

:28:33.:28:36.

for transforming cancer treatment in the south-east of Wales. Develop the

:28:37.:28:42.

plans for a new treatment fund and develop an all Wales cancer delivery

:28:43.:28:47.

plan. Cancer Research UK has said there has a been a dramatic rise

:28:48.:28:52.

with the number of people diagnosed with the most serious form of skin

:28:53.:28:58.

cancer in the last 40 years. The National Institute of health and

:28:59.:29:06.

cancer excellence has approved a pair of cancer drugs for use in

:29:07.:29:11.

England, which when used in combination shrank the most

:29:12.:29:16.

aggressive of deadly type of skin cancer by 69%. Could the First

:29:17.:29:22.

Minister advise the Assembly if this therapy and drug will be made

:29:23.:29:25.

available in Wales as soon as possible? Malignant melanoma is a

:29:26.:29:31.

disease I know well. It took my mother's life. It is a hugely

:29:32.:29:36.

invasive cancer. If it spreads, there is no way, hitherto, there is

:29:37.:29:41.

no way to stop. It as soon as a drug is approved, the money will be

:29:42.:29:44.

available to roll out that drug across the whole of Wales.

:29:45.:29:53.

First Minister, we know the importance of healthy lifestyle

:29:54.:29:57.

choices in reducing the risks of cancer. It's good to see from the

:29:58.:30:01.

results of the Welsh health survey 2015 that the number of smokers in

:30:02.:30:06.

Wales has decreased from 26% to 19% of the population. Also meaning that

:30:07.:30:10.

the Welsh Government has exceeded its target for reducing smoking

:30:11.:30:14.

rates. The revisited public Health Bill offers another opportunity to

:30:15.:30:18.

promote healthy life styles and raise awareness of screening in

:30:19.:30:22.

tackling cancer. Will the Welsh Government consider this when it

:30:23.:30:25.

brings forward its fresh legislation? The public Health Bill

:30:26.:30:30.

is designed to tackle the the underlying causes of ill health.

:30:31.:30:34.

Smoking still persists as one of the major causes of death and ill health

:30:35.:30:39.

in Wales. That's why we want to proceed as quickly as possible with

:30:40.:30:43.

a public Health Bill and I will give more details in the legislative

:30:44.:30:49.

statement later this afternoon. First Minister, the most exciting

:30:50.:30:53.

development in the treatment of cancer in recent times has been the

:30:54.:30:57.

development of VATified medicines, where treatment is personalised to

:30:58.:31:01.

the patient based upon the genetic make up of their particular cancer.

:31:02.:31:06.

I was deeply concerned to learn that in Wales we test for just two

:31:07.:31:11.

genetic markers. Will your Government develop a ratified

:31:12.:31:15.

medicine strategy and ensure that the all Wales genetic service is

:31:16.:31:19.

equipped to test for all genetic markers in cancer patients? It's

:31:20.:31:23.

true that the big change in cancer treatment over the next decade will

:31:24.:31:28.

be specific treatment for those with particular DNA. We hugely fortunate

:31:29.:31:33.

in the sense that we have the Wales cancer genetic centre, Nobel Prize

:31:34.:31:36.

winning knowledge. I've certainly been there. They are developing more

:31:37.:31:42.

tests as they come along. At the moment, there are particular tests

:31:43.:31:45.

that are used. There are other that's will develop over the course

:31:46.:31:49.

of time, make it far easier for treatment to be tailored to the

:31:50.:31:52.

individual. For example, there are some drugs known to be damaging to

:31:53.:31:58.

some people on a chance of 500-1. Until now there have been no tests

:31:59.:32:02.

to make sure that a particular person is not one of those people

:32:03.:32:05.

who could be particularly badly affected by that drug. As these

:32:06.:32:09.

tests develop more and more people will have athe chance of a better

:32:10.:32:18.

outcome. Could I add my agreement to comments made by members in the

:32:19.:32:25.

chamber about condemning racism. Sorry, but could I say, we need to

:32:26.:32:30.

send a message strongly regardless of the vote last week... You need to

:32:31.:32:35.

ask a question. My apologies. Will the First Minister make a statement

:32:36.:32:39.

on the potential impact of the Cardiff capital region on the

:32:40.:32:44.

Bridgend travel to work area? I can say in the Cardiff capital region

:32:45.:32:48.

that collaboration is driving forward our priorities in transport

:32:49.:32:53.

that. Means driving forward improvements for Bridgend as well. I

:32:54.:32:56.

know the member will have a particular interest in ensuring that

:32:57.:33:01.

the three valleys he represents are regularly connected to the rail and

:33:02.:33:06.

bus network for the south. Thank you First Minister. My apologies, I have

:33:07.:33:10.

obviously a lot to learn in this chamber. Could I briefly add my

:33:11.:33:16.

comments to those who have condemned racism. We need to mean, it the

:33:17.:33:21.

utterances by politicians are important and so are the actions of

:33:22.:33:25.

the tabloid media at the UK level as well. We should be welcoming of

:33:26.:33:30.

those who are currently working in the public services and private

:33:31.:33:33.

sector who are today somewhat a little bit more fearful. In terms of

:33:34.:33:37.

the Cardiff capital region, together with the South Wales mept row,

:33:38.:33:41.

potential future improvements to rail and major highways improvements

:33:42.:33:46.

in my constituency and throughout Wales, together with apprenticeships

:33:47.:33:52.

and training in my local area, all of them were predicated to some

:33:53.:33:55.

extent large or small on EU funding. Would he agree with me that it is

:33:56.:34:00.

now incumbent on political and party leaders, including the leader of the

:34:01.:34:04.

Conservative Party here today, who made clear pledges that this money

:34:05.:34:08.

would be returning to the people of Wales to make good that short fall

:34:09.:34:13.

that we'll now face, not a penny piece should be taken from my

:34:14.:34:17.

constituents or from the people of Wales, we expect it to be here. Does

:34:18.:34:21.

he agree that it is slightly odd and disconcerting that we do not have

:34:22.:34:26.

unanimity in this chamber amongst the party lowereds that all that

:34:27.:34:30.

money should be coming back to the people of Wales to decide what

:34:31.:34:35.

happens with it? I heard people on the doorstep. I heard members in the

:34:36.:34:41.

chamber say whenever we talked about European projects that they said

:34:42.:34:44.

it's our money. People said it on the doorstep to me. It is our money.

:34:45.:34:48.

It's the money that people -- of the people of Wales. It's not the money

:34:49.:34:52.

to be decided to be given to Wales on a bhim by the Treasury, as the

:34:53.:34:55.

leader of the Welsh Conservatives has said today. He has said why

:34:56.:35:00.

should the Welsh - I'll quote him, why should the Welsh Government

:35:01.:35:05.

handle the money. It's the lead story on the BBC website. You can

:35:06.:35:09.

see his comments on the BBC Wales website. It is absolutely crucial

:35:10.:35:12.

that money comes to the people of Wales and to their elected

:35:13.:35:16.

Government and legislature to decide how to spend. It is not for the UK

:35:17.:35:20.

Treasury to take that decision on behalf of the elected Parliament of

:35:21.:35:30.

Wales. South Wales west members will be aware of the need for an eastern

:35:31.:35:36.

bypass for the communities of Llanharan. I hope that will be part

:35:37.:35:42.

of the plans for Cardiff capital region and the infrastructure

:35:43.:35:45.

project. It's the heads of the eastern valleys in my region which

:35:46.:35:49.

are more difficult for the population to get the opportunities

:35:50.:35:53.

from potential city region plans and the measurements of distance on the

:35:54.:35:56.

map are meaningful if you don't have the transport infrastructure to

:35:57.:35:59.

reach those communities. What are you doing tone sure that the city

:36:00.:36:03.

board region speaks to businesses and the local authority about

:36:04.:36:07.

ensuring that the travel to work area includes the heads of those

:36:08.:36:10.

valleys in my region? Absolutely it's crucial. The point about the

:36:11.:36:14.

Metro is that yes, it will make it easier for people to travel to

:36:15.:36:17.

cities like Cardiff to work, but also, easier for investment to

:36:18.:36:21.

travel up valleys as well. One of the issues that we face investors

:36:22.:36:25.

say, it's far away, this community. I don't want that to be the case in

:36:26.:36:30.

the future. That's why the Metro is proposed. I know a lot of members

:36:31.:36:33.

have concentrated on the rail map, but the bus map is hugely important

:36:34.:36:39.

as well. If we look at the three valleys, west has a railway line.

:36:40.:36:43.

One might have a railway line, still, if the future. And one lost

:36:44.:36:50.

its railway line in 1984. For those communities, obviously a bus option

:36:51.:36:53.

will be what we're looking at. It will be an option that connects

:36:54.:36:59.

properly not just with the long distance coaches, but also with

:37:00.:37:02.

Bridgend railway station to make sure that people are connected as

:37:03.:37:06.

much as possible to where the jobs are and for investment to come up,

:37:07.:37:11.

to follow those routes up to those communities. Will the First Minister

:37:12.:37:20.

make a statement on GP recruitment in Wales. GP recruitment is a

:37:21.:37:25.

priority for us. We are talking to GP representatives across Wales and

:37:26.:37:29.

are developing new models of care that will be attractive for GPs to

:37:30.:37:35.

work in. Thank you, First Minister. The Royal College of General GPs

:37:36.:37:41.

tell us that we need 400 fulltime equivalent GPs by 2020. If we are to

:37:42.:37:46.

provide good access for all primary care. It is concerning therefore

:37:47.:37:50.

that we're training just over 100 GPs a year in Wales and just 13% of

:37:51.:37:57.

trainee doctors spend any time in general practice. What will your

:37:58.:38:00.

Government do during the fifth Assembly to train more GPs in Wales?

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We have 2,887 GPs, which is 8% up since 2005. That shows that we've

:38:10.:38:13.

been investing in GPs. It's not just about GPs. It's the whole primary

:38:14.:38:18.

care workforce that's important. Yes, we're training GPs but we have

:38:19.:38:23.

to - we will never train enough GPs purely to work in Wales. It's been

:38:24.:38:27.

many decades since we recruited GPs entirely from within Wales. We have

:38:28.:38:30.

recruited from other countries. That will continue to be the case.

:38:31.:38:34.

Because medicine is an international, portable

:38:35.:38:37.

qualification. It's a question of training GPs, yes, that's true. I

:38:38.:38:40.

understand the importance of that. But also continuing to ensure that

:38:41.:38:45.

qualified medical staff see Wales as an attractive place to live and work

:38:46.:38:50.

in. TRANSLATION: Would the First

:38:51.:38:54.

Minister agree with me that at present there is a lack of status in

:38:55.:39:01.

being a GP and that includes the external image of the nature of the

:39:02.:39:07.

job and also, within the profession, would the First Minister agree with

:39:08.:39:10.

me that as part of the contribution to tackling the recruitment issue

:39:11.:39:15.

that we could look at issues such as ensuring that students at 16 and 17

:39:16.:39:21.

years old are appealed directly to go into general practice

:39:22.:39:25.

specifically rather than just into medicine more generally and that

:39:26.:39:28.

there is pressure to ensure there is a higher status and more prestige to

:39:29.:39:32.

training to be a GP within wider medical training.

:39:33.:39:39.

TRANSLATION: Well, surgeons with have a very different view on that.

:39:40.:39:44.

But I understand the point. It's extremely important that we also

:39:45.:39:47.

realise that the nature of the workforce is changing. There are

:39:48.:39:54.

fewer and fewer people want to buy into a practice. They want more

:39:55.:40:01.

freedom to move across Wales. They don't want to commit funding into a

:40:02.:40:05.

practice. Some still do. Others don't. So what's important is that

:40:06.:40:09.

we have sufficient number of models available in Wales that will appeal

:40:10.:40:13.

to the greatest number of general practitioners in order to ensure

:40:14.:40:17.

that there are ways of working that suit them, rather than thinking

:40:18.:40:20.

there's just one way of working, which has been the same one for many

:40:21.:40:24.

years. We must ensure there's a structure that's broad in order to

:40:25.:40:26.

recruit more people. ( recruit more people.

:40:27.:40:31.

TRANSLATION: What assessment has the First Minister made of the European

:40:32.:40:35.

Union referendum result? TRANSLATION: A number, well of

:40:36.:40:38.

course, the decision has been taken and that decision must be respected.

:40:39.:40:44.

Our priority as a Government now will be to secure the future of the

:40:45.:40:49.

people of Wales in order to ensure that future is a prosperous one.

:40:50.:40:54.

TRANSLATION: Would you agree with me that the only way forward that would

:40:55.:40:57.

respect the decision made by the people of Wales in last week's

:40:58.:41:03.

referendum and also, gives the Welsh economy and Welsh businesses and

:41:04.:41:07.

communities a decent chance is that we remain members of the single

:41:08.:41:12.

market, that we remain members of the European Economic Area and that

:41:13.:41:17.

we then proceed along those lines. Because last week's vote didn't

:41:18.:41:24.

outline or didn't make any decision as to what sort of exit was being

:41:25.:41:29.

considered. If you agree with me, what steps are you taking and you

:41:30.:41:32.

have outlined the work in Brussels. You have told us what you can do

:41:33.:41:36.

jointly with the Westminster Government. Will you be pressing for

:41:37.:41:42.

that in Wales and will you, in so doing, you will have my support and

:41:43.:41:45.

Plaid Cymru's support. TRANSLATION: As I said earlier, a

:41:46.:41:50.

specialist team is going to be located in the Brussels office in

:41:51.:41:55.

order to ensure that they're able to negotiate with the European

:41:56.:41:59.

institutions in order to ensure that the voice of Wales is listened to.

:42:00.:42:04.

We are part of the British system, but it's extremely important that we

:42:05.:42:08.

have our own reach into the European institutions in order to ensure that

:42:09.:42:13.

Wales doesn't lose out and that is what we intend doing. I cannot say,

:42:14.:42:21.

I cannot emphasise enough how important it is to have access to

:42:22.:42:25.

the single market because so many businesses in Wales are dependent on

:42:26.:42:30.

that. The worst case scenario would be for us to return to the system

:42:31.:42:40.

where the WTO system, 10% on cars, 15% on food stuffs that. Would be

:42:41.:42:44.

the worst case scenario for Wales. We hope there'll be something better

:42:45.:42:47.

on the table. But there's a great deal of work to be done before that.

:42:48.:42:52.

I'm sure the First Minister will appreciate that members will want to

:42:53.:42:56.

ensure the best outcomes for their constituencies. It's what we're

:42:57.:42:59.

elected to do. I'm no different to that. I'm going to be taking this

:43:00.:43:05.

opportunity to join the call for assurances for my own constituency,

:43:06.:43:10.

which is Merthyr Tydfil, a constituency which has been a major

:43:11.:43:14.

beneficiary of EU funding. It's helped a number of projects of

:43:15.:43:20.

significant benefit to the local economy and communities. However,

:43:21.:43:24.

it's not just the funding for the existing projects that are important

:43:25.:43:28.

to my constituency. It's the proposed developments such as the

:43:29.:43:35.

next stage of the dualing of the heads of the valley, which will be

:43:36.:43:40.

crucial to the economic, the economy of the constituency. Whilst I've

:43:41.:43:45.

noted that you have confirmed and I welcome that, that in any discussion

:43:46.:43:51.

was Brexit negotiators you'll seek absolute assurance that's Wales will

:43:52.:43:54.

receive no less funding from Brexit than we received prior to. Can I

:43:55.:43:58.

seek further assurances that the financial support that you will be

:43:59.:44:02.

seeking, the financial support necessary for the dualing of the A

:44:03.:44:09.

465 and you will hold them to account if this is not delivered.

:44:10.:44:13.

Absolutely. If the money is not made up by the UK Government, then it

:44:14.:44:17.

follows logically that we won't be able to fund many of the projects

:44:18.:44:22.

that are currently planned to be funded by European money. Because we

:44:23.:44:29.

don't have that money. Without that money, many projects beyond the

:44:30.:44:32.

period when the UK's left the European Union will not be able to

:44:33.:44:37.

be funded unless that guarantee is forth coming. That is crucial for

:44:38.:44:41.

our future. It's why I wrote to the Prime Minister yesterday in order to

:44:42.:44:44.

get the guarantee that was put on the table. That means making sure

:44:45.:44:48.

that Wales loses out not a penny. Not a penny, as a result of the

:44:49.:44:52.

referendum last Thursday, regardless of how people voted, I do not

:44:53.:44:56.

believe anybody voted for Wales to have less money.

:44:57.:45:01.

The Welsh economy is the most exposed in the UK to any possible

:45:02.:45:09.

downturn in trade in the EU or declining investment seeking access

:45:10.:45:13.

to the single market. This has to be made known to those responsible for

:45:14.:45:19.

the Brexit negotiations. It is true because we know there are many

:45:20.:45:24.

companies in Wales who are here solely because of the access they

:45:25.:45:29.

get on the single market. If they lose access, free access, they still

:45:30.:45:34.

will be able to sell, but it is the terms of trade that are important.

:45:35.:45:39.

If you are a company that has bases in the UK and other European

:45:40.:45:42.

countries, if you find one manufacturing plant in the UK is to

:45:43.:45:47.

have a five to 10% tariff and others are not, it is not going to take a

:45:48.:45:53.

genius to work out where the investment will come from. We have

:45:54.:45:57.

to have no tariff barriers and our biggest export market which is the

:45:58.:46:03.

EU. The Welsh government have to tackle gambling addiction Wales. We

:46:04.:46:09.

can seek powers to regulate fixed odds betting machines and we support

:46:10.:46:16.

moves to increase the powers. People suffering with gambling addiction

:46:17.:46:22.

can get advice and support through their GPs or gamblers anonymous.

:46:23.:46:27.

Gambling addiction can lead to tough emotional, financial and side conch

:46:28.:46:31.

-- psychological problems which are not of a visible until it has

:46:32.:46:35.

reached crisis point. Early intervention and support is crucial.

:46:36.:46:40.

The pioneering gambling risk and harm pilots carried out by Newport

:46:41.:46:44.

Citizens Advice Bureau has highlighted the education of young

:46:45.:46:48.

people is key to reducing the impact of gambling related harm. What plans

:46:49.:46:55.

has the Welsh government got to make sure it has the same attention as

:46:56.:47:00.

other addictions? It is hugely important that people see gambling

:47:01.:47:06.

as an addiction, which it is. In the same way that people see alcoholism

:47:07.:47:12.

as an addiction, drugs as an addiction. We are looking at ways in

:47:13.:47:18.

which we can ensure fire our education system, that people

:47:19.:47:21.

understand the dangers of gambling. It will be helpful from our

:47:22.:47:25.

perspective or if we saw the devolution of powers in order that

:47:26.:47:33.

they might be better regulated. I am pleased to hear you want to use the

:47:34.:47:37.

regulatory powers which are available to curb problem gambling

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in society. Around one in 50 men now are deemed to be gambling addicts

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and that is very concerning and can have damaging effects on society. Do

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you share the concern that has been expressed by those present at the

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Cardiff conference, Beat The Odds, that there was insufficient work

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being done to help gambling adducts in Wales. We have support here in

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Cardiff and another charity which is Wales wide. Those are not available

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in all parts of Wales as yet and there is an opportunity to develop

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them. What work with your government do to ensure there is equal access

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to such services in the future? The financial inclusion strategy will

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look at how we can overlook further ways of helping people to deal with

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gambling. Not long ago betting shops were behind closed doors and opaque

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windows. Now it is everywhere. For those of us with the continuing

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interest in the European Championship, we see every advert

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where people are encouraged to cash in before it is finished. There are

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fantastic opportunities for the gambling industry and for people to

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become more addicted to gambling. That was First Minister's Questions.

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If you want more coverage you can go online to our Senedd life page. That

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is it for First Minister's Questions. We will be back next

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