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Hello again, good afternoon, and welcome to the final

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We're expecting questions today on a range of topics

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including traffic jams, housing and Carwyn Jones' conversations

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Don't forget we're on Twitter, @walespolitics, where you can follow

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all the latest from the Assembly and Welsh politics.

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Well, business in the Siambr is already under way,

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so let's go over now for today's questions to the First Minister.

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I called the National Assembly to order, the first item on our agenda

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is questions to the First Minister and the first question is from

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Gareth Bennett. What steps is the Welsh Government

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taking to alleviate road traffic Sustainably improving infrastructure

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and transport links, increasing transport choice, focusing on the

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safety and reliability of the road network.

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I thank the First Minister for his answer. As you will be aware, there

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are major housing developments planned for the edges of Cardiff

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which will increase road traffic congestion in the next few years. We

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are hopeful the South Wales Metro will arrive but in the medium term

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are there any steps the government could take to alleviate any

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potential increases in road congestion which could possibly ten

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Cardiff into a glorified car park? It is a matter for the local

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authority to ensure when there is a development the committee

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infrastructure Levy can be used in order to make sure infrastructure

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can be provided where there is development. I expect any local

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authority to be able to do that and the Metro in time will be able to

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extend its reach to parts of the city and beyond, where there is no

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heavy rail link. Where light rail made perfect sense in moving people

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around. Vikki Howells. Does the First

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Minister agree the completion of the Cross Valley Link Road in Mountain

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Ash will reduce congestion in this part of South Wales Central? It'll

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play an important part in the system, the two way flow of capital

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and labour in future economic schemes such as the Cardiff capital

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region. Transport links are important for

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two reasons as the member said. To enable people to get to work more

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quickly and to enable investments to flow into communities where

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investment has been hard to attract in years gone by. For me, schemes

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like the Metro, the Cross Valley Link are important to ensure people

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and investments can move more freely.

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Neil McEvoy. In Europe, 460,000 people die

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prematurely each year from air pollution. Worldwide the figure is

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6.5 million. In Wales, thousands die every year and the World Health

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Organisation lists Cardiff as one of the worst areas for air pollution.

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Labour's plans for Cardiff include putting 10,000 extra cars on the

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road. How is this consistent with the goals of the future generations

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act, taking into account those extra cars will breathe poisonous fumes

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all over my constituents Healthwatch England I expect that any

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development should include use the community infrastructure Levy.

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Sustainable transport links should be put in place for those

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developments. The days when development was driven entirely by

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the car have come to an end. It is important or local authorities in

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Wales are able to look at options. David melding.

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I walk through my area frequently. It is clear that we need to reduce

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the number of needless journeys or journeys that are not shared, just

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one occupant driving a car, there are many quick wins we can gain.

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That ought to be the other half of our active travel strategy. We've

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got a good law, we need to start implemented.

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This is a multi pronged approach. Where there are problems that cannot

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be resolved by public transport, that has to be dealt with. M4 is one

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issue. When the franchise transfer the most governments we need to make

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sure we have better rolling stock on Cardiff suburbanites, the

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development of the Metro, more light rail so communities that their links

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are reconnected by the light rail network. When it comes to cycling,

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we are very keen to make sure more cities sees cycling, not just as a

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recreation, but more of its spot. Cardiff has a network of cycle

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routes, they are not all connected. Other towns and cities don't do so

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well. It is important for many cyclists they are not in the same

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names as traffic, their confidence isn't strong enough. We must do more

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through the active travel to make sure all modes of sustainable

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transport are promoted. Question number two, Dafydd

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Elis-Thomas. When did the First Minister last

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meet with the Prime Minister to discuss constitutional

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developments in Wales? I met her at the JNC on the 24th of

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October. Many things were discussed at that time.

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Could the First Minister now give this national insurance -- give this

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National Assembly and assure that there will be no diminish and is

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legal powers given to the Wales Bill, the so-called Brexit process

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or the and constitutional questions posed by some conservative members

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of Parliament. Could I say in terms of the Brexit

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process, there are two things that are vital here. First of all, no

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diminishing in powers for this institution and ensuring the powers

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that are in Brussels are transferred to this institution and the people

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of Wales as well. Those are the principles that we continue to

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pursue through discussions that we are having with the UK Government.

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Simon Thomas. Thank you, may I ask by thanking the First Minister for

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continuing with discussions between Plaid Cymru and his party and for

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the meeting we had yesterday. I look forward to seeing the amendments to

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The Wales Bill in the House of Lords in order to secure with these

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processes. I would like to raise another issue with him today, an

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issue related to another Parliament. The Presiding Officer of the

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Catalonian parliament is facing a court case in Spain for allowing a

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debate on the constitutional future of Catalonia. That is to say, they

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are allowing a debate in the Catalonian Parliament on

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independence. We know Spain are sensitive of the issue but in a big

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aquatic nation as we have seen in Scotland, and here in Wales, a

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debate on the future of a nation is crucially important to demonstrate a

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nation can move forward step-by-step together on that process. Can you

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raise these issues with the Westminster government, expressing

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concern that the Speaker of a parliament is facing a court case

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for allowing a debate in Parliament? Could they consider that in more

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detail and I will do that and try to be member with the details. I know

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the situation is different in Spain and when I went to Catalonia to meet

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with the speaker of Catalonia at the time, one of the questions that was

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asked to me in the press conference was whether I had the permission of

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David Cameron to go to Catalonia? I said, no, and I don't expect our

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permission. I wouldn't ask for permission. That is the context in

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Catalonia. Can I considered the situation in more detail?

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Christians now by the party leaders. First of all, the leader of the

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Conservatives. Pallett I wish you the compliments

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of the season and best wishes to your family over the festive period.

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Last week, we had the good news about Tata and the agreements

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between the unions and the company. Bearing in mind where we were this

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time last year, with seven and the devastating news in March many of us

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engaged with, it is looking rather bleak. It is unimaginable to be the

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situation we are at the moment. But that is a caveat around the pot. Are

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you confident that is aid the other should be endorsed by the workers

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when they are balloted on its? Can I reciprocate and wished him

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this season 's greetings as well. He raises an important is you about

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Tata. Tata will not be in a position it is in in with a pass from the how

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given. I'd like to pay tribute to the hard work put in by officials.

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Many meetings, I have spoken to Tata many times. The hourly company that

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listens. They are prepared, if you put up the right case, to listen and

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move forward. Last week's announcement in the straight of

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that. It is a matter for the workforce as to what they do. If I

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can put it that way, it is unclear what the future would be if the deal

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was not accepted. These are difficult times and the emphasis has

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to be on continuing steel production in Wales and there will be some

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difficult decisions around that, I understand. That has to be the main

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objective. I do want to push you on this

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because I do view it is important to get a signal from U of endorsement

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on that deal. On the response to my question, you haven't given that

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endorsement. The Welsh Government has given a lot of support and the

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UK Government. Also, the change of direction from the Tata mainboard.

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That is an important development in the direction of Tata and the way it

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looks at steel. The takeover of call' was his takeover. It is

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important you occupy a role here as the most senior elected politician.

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That deal is on the table and it is a simple question. Do you endorse

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the deal on the table for the workers to deal on?

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It is a good deal compared to where we were in the spring. The situation

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was particularly bleak for steel, the heavy end of steel-making in

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Port Talbot. It is a tribute to the hard work of many people that we are

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in the situation we're in now. This deal is a deal I can endorse and a

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deal that can provide a future for plan.

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Thank you for that endorsement. That is important to be on the record. It

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is the final piece of the jigsaw that this lead to the agreement.

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What was important as well in the negotiations with the issues around

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business rates. APC the Commons you have made on that. It is a complex

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area. -- I appreciate the comments. Can there be a favourable business

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rates regime for the Tata. This was a direct request to the Welsh

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Government as to whether it could help. Also our business rates, I had

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hoped that today we might have had an announcement is more generally on

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business rates in Wales as to maybe an early Christmas presents for

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businesses around business rate relief that have filled post bags of

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Assembly Members across this chamber. Are you able to say whether

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the government will be coming forward with an enhanced relief

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programme for businesses here in Wales who find themselves on the

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wrong end of the valuations that have gone out before Christmas?

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Where we get the other side of Christmases, many of those

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businesses are going to be in a difficult place. It'll be great to

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have clarity whether the government is coming forward with an

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announcement to help those businesses.

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This is something we have been considering as part of the final

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budget and it will be made soon. In relation to business rates and Tata,

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the package you put together is 60 million. It is equivalent to five

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years free of business rates. It is difficult to offer business rate

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relief in one sector. What we have is a packet of support that is state

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aid proof but targeted at Tata. I have to say it is important the UK

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Government doesn't lose sight of the facts but many other industries are

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saying energy prices are too high. Energy intensive energies --

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industries will have to see more done. We can't be seen as being

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uncompetitive. Our energy mix is similar to many other countries in

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Europe. Because of the obscure nature of what alleges to be an

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energy market in the UK, it does make the UK more expensive and more

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needs to be done by the UK Government.

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The leader of the Ukip group, Neil Hamilton.

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It is time to look back on what we have achieved. I wonder if the First

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Minister in all candour can tell is today what he thinks the greatest

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failure of his government will be. Is it schools? Would this be the

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health service where have our health boards are either in special

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measures or targeted with intervention. Would it be in poverty

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in Wales because having been second from the bottom of the income table

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of the nations and regions of the UK when Labour came to power nearly 20

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years ago, we are at the bottom of the heap.

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We have seen household poverty de crease in Wales for the first time

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in many years. We see what happens with social care in England and the

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crisis that exists there. We have seen health spending in Wales

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increase over the years, but he asked me a fair question, what is

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the greatest failure ofques-mac the greatest failure as far as this

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government is concerned is to see him sitting opposite me asking those

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questions. I am grateful for the condiment, even though it is only

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implied. As regards education, the Pisa report says 21% of students at

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the age of 15 can't read well enough to participate effectively and

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productively in life, 23% can't solve problems routinely faced by

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adults in their daily lives because they can't count and this is the

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fourth set of Pisa results in which Wales has performed worse than

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anywhere else in the United Kingdom. Only Wales and Scotland other parts

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of the UK to go backwards in the last decade. Isn't that the real

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failure of this gov-mac? True if you compare the figures in the last

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three years, but we know there are challenges. I remind the leader of

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Ukip what the OECD have said, that we are on the right track, we should

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stay with what we are doing, and we should see results in the future.

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What the OECD have said is that they would not be supportive of plans for

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selective education, I know it is a plan to his party, but the OECD do

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not support that, they see it as making it more difficult for

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children to achieve good education. Without wishing to spoil the genial

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asperity of our weekly exchanges, Kamei compliment him on the style

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and finesse, the skill and dexterity with which he occasionally answers

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my question is an often swerves around them. And to say that after

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many years and a similar position in politics, he compares very well with

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all the opponents I have had across the dispatch box, and I wish him all

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the best for the next year, and I hope his Government is more

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successful than it has been in the last. He has through those words

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probably undermined my position amongst my own group more than any

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other over the past few months and years! But I will take his words at

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face value and wish you the compliments of the season as well.

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And I'm sure that all members look forward to ask crossing swords in

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this chamber for many months and years to come. Plaid Cymru leader

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Leanne Wood is. First leader, can you tell us the difference between

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yourself and your UK Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn on immigration

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policy and specifically relating to the question of the free movement of

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people? I think I am closer to her position as leader of Plaid Cymru

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than any other. She and I said something very similar last week,

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namely that there should be freedom of movement for work. She made the

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point of free movement to look for work, and that is what the European

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regulations say if you take their strict interpretations. I don't

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believe we are in a different position when it comes to freedom of

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movement. It seems to me that there is very little difference between

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yourself and your party leader, and it is heart-warming to see the

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Labour Party united on something for once. But you said last week that

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there is a difference between yourself and your leader, when he

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said he would not play the numbers game or fan the flames on

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immigration, yet your comment on immigration on the 9th of December

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suggested that there was a split or major disagreement with your leader,

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and you made out that you were on a different page to him, that you were

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somehow tougher on the matter of immigration than he is. Only 2.6% of

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the entire world population come from other European countries.

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That's 79,000 people. You know that Wales has a low proportion of EU

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migrants compared to other parts of the UK. You have interpreted your

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leader's view on immigration as playing into the hands of Ukip. But

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by implying there isn't really much of an immigration problem here in

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Wales, it's you that is dancing to Ukip's tune. You will know as well

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as I do that Welsh communities need to attract and retain people to work

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hard and to generate tax revenue in this country, that we need workers

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from overseas in our health service and some sectors of the economy, so

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why are you making out that we don't? First Minister, can we now

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move on from perceptions and have an honest debate about immigration,

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public services and the economy here in Wales? I'm surprised, because as

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I said earlier on, she and I have said almost exactly the same thing

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when it comes to the issue of freedom of movement, and what she

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says is perfectly correct. Of course we are reliant on workers abroad to

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fill so many vacancies in the Welsh economy, but that said, neither she

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nor I can deny that the issue of immigration looms large in the

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referendum, it was false perception rather than reality, that much is

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true given the numbers, so I don't think we can say that the current

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system gets the wider support that it should, so we have to look at

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alternatives. She has made the point and I have made the point that there

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can be a modification of that system where there is freedom to move to a

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job or freedom to move to look for work in specific circumstances. I

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think they would see that as a freedom of movement system that they

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could support. I don't see that there is much between us. First

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Minister, you should be dealing with realities and not perceptions. You

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shouldn't be playing along with the myths. We need to have this honest

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debate on immigration, you shouldn't be implying that we have got a

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problem when we don't. There is an issue of migration in Wales, we have

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too much emigration, too many young people and skilled workers are

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leaving our country. We have got no problem in attracting people here to

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retire, and those people remain welcome here, but overall, we are

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facing a situation where our working age population is set to de crease

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in the coming years while the retired population will increase,

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and as well as impacting upon Welsh communities, the Welsh language, the

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overall situation simply is not sustainable. That is why Plaid Cymru

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put forward the policy that we did on higher education during the last

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election to deal with the problem of emigration. In terms of solutions

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from Labour, you have offered nothing except to fuel this myth on

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overseas immigration, internal rows with your Labour leader in order to

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deflect from your own policy weaknesses. First Minister, instead

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of pandering to Ukip, when are we going to have a real debate about

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the real solutions, about the real migration problem here in Wales?

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I regret the fact that lead of Plaid Cymru didn't listen to the answers I

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was giving her. Answers that I thought were reasonable and not in

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any way... And now she shouts. What's the difference? The point

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that I made is that she and I are not very far away, but she must

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understand that perception is important, and where people believe

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something to be true, it is usually important to make sure that they see

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what the reality is, and that was a problem with the referendum in June,

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people's perception was stronger than the reality. We both support

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modification of the current freedom of movement rules, but there are

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sensible ways forward here that don't let loose the jackals of

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racism and don't let loose a system of politics that seeks to blame

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others for our economic ills. She makes that point about the economy,

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our employment is very low, lower than England, Scotland and Northern

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Ireland. It is true to say that some communities have moved ahead further

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than others, places like Merthyr which is doing well and had many

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difficulties for many years after the 1980s. We know it is important

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to attract investment into those communities, we have TV are coming

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to other Vale, these are all significant investment projects that

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25 years ago would not have come to Wales, but we are making sure that

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that happens. We know that Wales is an attractive place to come and live

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and an attractive place to come and work, and a welcoming place, and we

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will continue to be an open and welcoming country, whilst

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considering of course how we can make sure that the concerns of some

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about freedom of movement are addressed in a sensible, rational

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and fairway. Question three, Mike hedges.

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Will the First Minister make a statement on progress being made

:24:52.:24:54.

towards achieving the Welsh housing quality standard?

:24:55.:24:56.

All social landlords including Swansea Council are on track to meet

:24:57.:25:04.

this by 2020, and in March of this year, 79% of existing social homes

:25:05.:25:09.

now meet the standard. That arose over the course of the year, and

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nearly 18,000 households now live in better quality homes than the

:25:14.:25:16.

previous year. Can I congratulate the Welsh government on the success

:25:17.:25:20.

of reaching the Welsh Housing quality standard. Can I also say an

:25:21.:25:24.

example of an ambitious target which has been financially supported which

:25:25.:25:27.

has improved the lives of many people including many of my

:25:28.:25:34.

constituents. The money currently going to upgrading council

:25:35.:25:37.

properties, can it be allocated to the building of new council

:25:38.:25:40.

properties once the upgrades are done? We are very keen to make sure

:25:41.:25:44.

that more councils are able to build more council houses, and we are

:25:45.:25:47.

looking at every innovative way to increase housing supply. The 2000

:25:48.:25:54.

affordable homes target includes local authority lending to housing

:25:55.:25:57.

associations to enable lending to develop, so that the local authority

:25:58.:26:00.

can borrow loans at a lower rate than would be available for

:26:01.:26:06.

traditional lenders. There is a partnership between local

:26:07.:26:08.

authorities and housing associations as well. We have moved a long way

:26:09.:26:12.

from the day with local authorities could build council houses. It is

:26:13.:26:16.

important that local authorities are able to provide further populations

:26:17.:26:19.

that the accommodation provided is of the standard possible. Beth Ed

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Jenkins. TRANSLATION: Nobody would doubt that

:26:29.:26:35.

the policy is ambitious, but as assembly members, we continue to

:26:36.:26:39.

receive a number of complaints about social housing, and houses in a

:26:40.:26:49.

timely manner and the poor response from a number of housing

:26:50.:26:52.

associations, the fact that it is the winter months and people are

:26:53.:26:55.

waiting a long time for works to be carried out, so is there any survey

:26:56.:26:59.

that can be issued to ensure that every housing association is working

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effectively to ensure that people are more content with the services

:27:04.:27:07.

that they receive in this area? Of course. As a government we expect

:27:08.:27:12.

housing associations to ensure not only that they build but they

:27:13.:27:17.

maintain the houses is well and that they are only good condition, and

:27:18.:27:20.

sometimes they are in complaints. I have had the same thing she has, and

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of course the complaints in my experience are dealt with in quite a

:27:26.:27:33.

fast way, but we are aware that the quality standards are assured when

:27:34.:27:37.

houses are built, and when they are maintained. Throughout the lifetime

:27:38.:27:45.

of those houses. In 2012 when the standard was supposed to have been

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achieved by all social landlords, the Welsh office said the shortfall

:27:48.:27:54.

in meeting the standard was in areas where those were opposed to

:27:55.:27:59.

transfer. You subsequently said that three authorities did not have

:28:00.:28:05.

adequate plans and had to submit new ones. Given that the borrowing

:28:06.:28:10.

limits for housing set where part of the agreement exit the housing

:28:11.:28:13.

revenue account lacked an estimated borrowing headroom across all for it

:28:14.:28:19.

is of just 471 million to achieve the Welsh housing quality standard,

:28:20.:28:22.

how can that be achieved to the standard originally intended with

:28:23.:28:30.

the additional bits of wider community regeneration when that

:28:31.:28:34.

only leaves for Wrexham 118 million, Swansea 74, Flintshire only 25 under

:28:35.:28:43.

that headroom established? We expect the homes target to be met in a

:28:44.:28:47.

variety of ways. Through local authorities, housing associations,

:28:48.:28:51.

partnerships between the two and other ways that we will see where it

:28:52.:28:54.

is possible to intervene in the local market to make sure there is a

:28:55.:28:59.

civic supply of housing, especially in raw areas. All of these things

:29:00.:29:03.

are under investigation as we deal with this issue. But what is

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important as well is that as we make sure that there are more affordable

:29:08.:29:12.

homes available, that we don't see the plug being taken out of the bath

:29:13.:29:16.

at the other end, so that we cannot possibly reach a target of 20,000

:29:17.:29:19.

affordable homes if you're building on the one hand and selling with the

:29:20.:29:22.

other, which is why of course we are ending the Right to Buy.

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TRANSLATION: Question four, Jenny Rathbone.

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Will the First Minister make a statement on the pace of change

:29:31.:29:33.

needed for transforming rail services in Wales?

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Rail isn't evolved. The UK Government must do more to invest in

:29:41.:29:46.

Wales or devolve power and funding so we can.

:29:47.:29:50.

Even Network Rail has said it will take 28 years to bring the rail

:29:51.:29:55.

industry up to the standard required in Wales, it seems to be much too

:29:56.:30:01.

long given in the light of the discourse we had about the road

:30:02.:30:05.

congestion early on, I am pleased to hear you mentioned the importance of

:30:06.:30:13.

light rail in that context. I want to... Looking at the South Wales

:30:14.:30:18.

Metro, I want to look at how light rail can run much closer together

:30:19.:30:23.

which means trains can slow down and accelerate much more quickly,

:30:24.:30:28.

journey times from Merthyr to fill would be reduced from over an hour

:30:29.:30:31.

to 40 minutes which is competitive with the car. I want to have some

:30:32.:30:38.

understanding as to how vehemently the Welsh Government is proceeding

:30:39.:30:44.

with light rail for the South Wales Metro which seems to me will deliver

:30:45.:30:48.

the outcomes we want. The Metro will be a mixture of light

:30:49.:30:54.

rail, heavy rail and faster bus services. There will be some lines

:30:55.:30:58.

that will be more appropriate for light rail than others. If we move

:30:59.:31:05.

towards light rail in some fiery alliance, that is not cut jobs. We

:31:06.:31:14.

know those who are working on the same terms and conditions as they do

:31:15.:31:19.

now. Both Ken Skates is not Chris Grayling. We want to work with the

:31:20.:31:25.

trade unions. The advantage of light rail is its ability to into parts of

:31:26.:31:30.

Cardiff and the valley communities where heavy rail isn't going to go.

:31:31.:31:41.

Metro is one where we have... We can't wait for Network Rail to get

:31:42.:31:46.

its act together can we we have had issues with Network Rail where'd it

:31:47.:31:50.

isn't clear they actually know what the commission of the asset is. We

:31:51.:31:56.

want to make sure we get on with the Metro as quickly and efficiently as

:31:57.:32:00.

possible. Dai Lloyd. You will be aware of last

:32:01.:32:08.

week's announcement by the UK Transport Secretary, Chris Grayling

:32:09.:32:12.

as you mention with regards the joint management teams for rail

:32:13.:32:16.

franchises and the new Varsity line between Oxford and Cambridge will be

:32:17.:32:23.

designed, constructed by a new body. Totally separate from Network Rail.

:32:24.:32:28.

Following that announcement, there is scope to develop the difference

:32:29.:32:32.

model for railway management here in West by establishing a Welsh version

:32:33.:32:36.

of east-west rail and where funding decisions around railway

:32:37.:32:38.

infrastructure will be made in Cardiff and not in London. If so,

:32:39.:32:43.

given the recent announcements, we will step up efforts into making a

:32:44.:32:47.

case with regards to the devolution of the management of the railway.

:32:48.:32:52.

It is fair to say we have been relentless in that regard. We don't

:32:53.:33:03.

get 9% of the investment. The are the situation where it isn't up to

:33:04.:33:17.

the Welsh Government. If the track and the operators were dealt with in

:33:18.:33:22.

the same way, the same organisation it is too easy for those responsible

:33:23.:33:29.

for the track, Network Rail, and the operators to blame each other when

:33:30.:33:33.

there are problems. It is easy to have an integrated system rather

:33:34.:33:37.

than the fragmented one we have now. Question number five, Steffan Lewis.

:33:38.:33:39.

Will the First Minister provide an update on efforts

:33:40.:33:41.

to secure a review of the Mineworkers Pension

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We do acknowledge the need for proper safe and well managed

:33:44.:33:51.

arrangements for this pension scheme. Pensions are not devolved

:33:52.:33:55.

but we have pressed the UK Government on this.

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I thank the First Minister folk dance. The National Assembly

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unanimously passed a motion calling for the review of the MPS surplus

:34:03.:34:07.

and also that motion mandated the worst governments to build alliances

:34:08.:34:11.

with regional leaders in England and other devolved government to put

:34:12.:34:14.

increasing pressure on the UK Government. Can he give assurances

:34:15.:34:18.

that mandated that he has been provided with will be furthered in

:34:19.:34:23.

the new beer and this will be a priority for his government in 2017?

:34:24.:34:28.

The letter was sent in June this year to Amber Rudd. We were in

:34:29.:34:32.

contact with officials this morning and their position... The trustees

:34:33.:34:43.

haven't raised any issues. They will need to ensure the trustees are

:34:44.:34:46.

happy with any changes as well as the UK Government.

:34:47.:34:51.

Rhianon Passmore. The last government has consistently

:34:52.:34:55.

supported the national union of Mineworkers called for the surplus

:34:56.:34:58.

to be put back into the scheme for the benefit of the retired miners

:34:59.:35:04.

and coal industry workers. Hence Olivera has collected a petition

:35:05.:35:07.

from Ike constituency who worked in Oakdale colliery for 24 years. The

:35:08.:35:16.

people of Islwyn like my grandfather worked in hard and dangerous

:35:17.:35:19.

conditions offered to the detriment of their health. What further

:35:20.:35:23.

representations can the Welsh Government make to the UK Tory

:35:24.:35:27.

government in denial, for them to play fair with Welsh miners?

:35:28.:35:31.

There is a duty on the trustees to make sure they explain to the

:35:32.:35:35.

pension schemes and members exactly what they are doing. Members of the

:35:36.:35:40.

scheme feel content and feel the scheme is treating them fairly.

:35:41.:35:44.

There is an emphasis on them to do that. We will continue to press the

:35:45.:35:47.

EC with the UK Government as we have been doing since June.

:35:48.:35:51.

Nick Ramsay. Thank you. Steffan Lewis was right

:35:52.:35:58.

when he said the whole Assembly that has backed the worst governments's

:35:59.:36:05.

position on this. It is important the former Mineworkers pensions are

:36:06.:36:08.

protected and their arrangements with the UK Government which are

:36:09.:36:12.

transparent and fair. What discussion Seppi had with the UK

:36:13.:36:15.

Government regarding the need for them to continue to guarantee the

:36:16.:36:20.

pension fund? -- discussions have you had. What discussions have you

:36:21.:36:32.

had on this and have you made it clear this isn't just the Welsh

:36:33.:36:34.

Government speaking best the national Assembly.

:36:35.:36:39.

Those enquiries were made this morning. The UK Government has taken

:36:40.:36:46.

view of this national Assembly. The particular arrangements that revolve

:36:47.:36:50.

around the pension scheme mean the UK Government does get the benefit

:36:51.:36:53.

of many periodic surplus in this scheme. We have made a point we

:36:54.:36:58.

believe that surplus should be recycled back into the scheme for

:36:59.:37:03.

the members. Question number six, Huw

:37:04.:37:04.

Irranca-Davies. What recent discussions has

:37:05.:37:05.

the Welsh Government had with the UK Government

:37:06.:37:07.

regarding the Heathrow International connectivity via

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Heathrow is important to Wales. In 2016 Network Rail consulted on plans

:37:18.:37:23.

to improve rail links to Heathrow. We welcomed the journey time

:37:24.:37:27.

predictions that were proposed. I thank the First Minister. As he

:37:28.:37:33.

knows, the Heathrow rail link will improve access from South Wales and

:37:34.:37:40.

the south-west and the West Midlands and other areas. It will reduce

:37:41.:37:46.

travel times by around 26 minutes. Reduce carbon. Transport more people

:37:47.:37:50.

onto the rail and away from private transport. It is true that 1.3

:37:51.:37:58.

million people have jobs with the foreign owned firm that are

:37:59.:38:03.

facilitated by Heathrow. It is the biggest proportion of any part of

:38:04.:38:08.

the UK. In future discussions with the Prime Minister and also the

:38:09.:38:12.

Secretary of State for Transport, could he ram home the importance of

:38:13.:38:17.

this rail link regardless of Heathrow capacity expansion. This

:38:18.:38:20.

rail link could deliver for people in Wales, in very short order. The

:38:21.:38:27.

decision is going to be made in early 2019, let's make it the right

:38:28.:38:35.

decision. Heathrow is by far the busiest

:38:36.:38:38.

airport in the UK and will continue to be that way. It's geography

:38:39.:38:42.

demands it is to be that way. Gatwick is too far. It is hugely

:38:43.:38:55.

important that people feel there are viable and seamless public transport

:38:56.:38:57.

options for them. Rather than getting off in Redding, it is

:38:58.:39:04.

important people get to Heathrow Airport as seamlessly as possible.

:39:05.:39:08.

It'll get more people out of their cars.

:39:09.:39:12.

Russell George. The expansion of Heathrow Airport is undoubtedly a

:39:13.:39:18.

major boost for trade and tourism in Wales. In contrast to the Scottish

:39:19.:39:21.

Government, the Welsh Government seems to have failed to attract a

:39:22.:39:27.

positive boost for Wales in return for the worst governments's support

:39:28.:39:32.

for the expansion. In a memorandum to the Scottish Government, it

:39:33.:39:39.

secures 16,000 new jobs, 200 million construction related spine, 10

:39:40.:39:46.

million rural development fund and discuss. Do you regret not securing

:39:47.:39:52.

a similar memorandum of understanding as your Scottish

:39:53.:39:56.

counterparts managed to achieve? I am not sure what it delivers.

:39:57.:40:00.

There are words in it but in terms of actions it isn't clear. It is

:40:01.:40:04.

impossible in terms of procurement to designate a certain amount of

:40:05.:40:11.

money for Scottish firms. It isn't entirely clear what it means. From

:40:12.:40:16.

our perspective, we have been working for some time with Heathrow

:40:17.:40:20.

Airport on reaching agreement with a statement of intent and that will

:40:21.:40:24.

look at supply chain, light transport, aviation and marketing

:40:25.:40:29.

opportunities. Landing slots isn't relevant to us. It is more relevant

:40:30.:40:34.

in Scotland. What we are exploring is the opportunity to market with

:40:35.:40:39.

better in Heathrow. It emphasises the point that South Wales in

:40:40.:40:42.

particular is very close to Heathrow Airport and can be a major gateway

:40:43.:40:45.

for tourism. Question number six.

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Will the First Minister make a statement on rheumatology

:40:47.:40:48.

Through the development directive we continue to raise awareness and

:40:49.:41:01.

support to reduce the risk of these conditions where they do to assess,

:41:02.:41:06.

diagnose and provide care as locally as possible.

:41:07.:41:14.

Reporters found referrals of diagnosis for rheumatology

:41:15.:41:19.

department has increased by 66% since 2012. Just 22% of patients

:41:20.:41:24.

diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis was seen by a specialist within

:41:25.:41:29.

three weeks. 35% funded difficult to get any appointment and 20% have

:41:30.:41:33.

waited over two years to treatment. A significant number have paid for

:41:34.:41:42.

private consultant. What immediate action will you be taking to ensure

:41:43.:41:47.

your health service complies with nice guidance and arthritis

:41:48.:41:51.

sufferers in Wales are no longer let down by this Welsh Labour

:41:52.:41:54.

government? I have to say in 2015-16, 94,000

:41:55.:42:16.

arthritis consultancies. At the end of October there were 14 people

:42:17.:42:20.

waiting over 36 weeks for an appointment and two were waiting for

:42:21.:42:24.

first outpatient appointments. Some people come true to say, have waited

:42:25.:42:29.

longer than we would want. The vast majority of people are seen as soon

:42:30.:42:33.

as possible. Rheumatoid arthritis isn't that easy to diagnose. There

:42:34.:42:37.

are many other conditions will tend to look at first. -- the GPs will

:42:38.:42:46.

turn to look at first. It isn't that easy to diagnose as a condition. We

:42:47.:42:53.

want to make sure people, GPs, are aware in the need to refer people

:42:54.:42:59.

get a diagnosis because the earlier the diagnosis the better. Rhun ap

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Iorwerth. Very often people link arthritis

:43:07.:43:13.

with older people but it is something that can affect people

:43:14.:43:17.

from all ages, Wales is the only nation in the UK that doesn't have a

:43:18.:43:26.

paediatric rheumatology service. Patients from North Wales can be

:43:27.:43:30.

treated in order he Hospital in Liverpool. That is the First

:43:31.:43:33.

Minister believe Wales should be able to offer paediatric

:43:34.:43:37.

rheumatology services? It is true that rheumatoid arthritis

:43:38.:43:43.

can strike anyone at any age, it isn't something to do with things

:43:44.:43:52.

wearing down. The body attacks itself, it is an autoimmune disease.

:43:53.:43:57.

We have to be careful here. I don't want to see people having to come

:43:58.:44:01.

from Anglesey to Cardiff, for instance, to a national centre. The

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geography of Wales indicates it is important people can have treatment

:44:08.:44:11.

as close as possible to their homes. I apologise for a similar question

:44:12.:44:18.

but First Minister, with around 400,000 children living in south

:44:19.:44:24.

Wales the fact the region is still without a dedicated

:44:25.:44:26.

multidisciplinary paediatric rheumatology service is shocking.

:44:27.:44:30.

Currently, services are being provided part-time by an adult

:44:31.:44:35.

rheumatologist but there is no formal clinical network or adequate

:44:36.:44:39.

multidisciplinary input. What plans does the government have two

:44:40.:44:43.

establish a tertiary paediatric rheumatology service in South Wales?

:44:44.:44:49.

Much depends on the throughput of patients as to whether a unit could

:44:50.:44:55.

be specialised to be effective. What I will do as far as both members are

:44:56.:45:02.

concerned is to write with further details about paediatric

:45:03.:45:04.

rheumatology to explain why the situation is as it is. Question

:45:05.:45:06.

eight,. How will the policies contained

:45:07.:45:10.

in the Welsh Government's "Taking Wales Forward" programme

:45:11.:45:13.

contribute to alleviating Job creation, closing the attainment

:45:14.:45:22.

gap and improving skill levels are our key priorities, and they are the

:45:23.:45:27.

most effective levers at our disposable to tackle poverty. I

:45:28.:45:37.

recently visited the largest mosque in Wales to raise awareness of the

:45:38.:45:43.

work the trust does to help young people in most deprived communities

:45:44.:45:47.

to fulfil their potential in their lives. Since your government is

:45:48.:45:51.

phasing out the community first programme, will you advise the

:45:52.:46:01.

assembly what you are doing to use the programmes of organisations like

:46:02.:46:07.

the Princess Trust Cymru to alleviate persistent poverty in

:46:08.:46:15.

Wales? We are looking at new ways of working and working with

:46:16.:46:17.

organisations who have proven experience on the ground without

:46:18.:46:20.

losing the expertise that already has been built up over the years

:46:21.:46:25.

through Community First. It is heartening to see that the poverty

:46:26.:46:32.

in household has dropped in Wales, which means that what we are doing

:46:33.:46:36.

to enable people to have the skills for the future in terms of

:46:37.:46:42.

attracting investment into Wales are bearing fruit.

:46:43.:46:46.

Will the First Minister make a statement on the Welsh

:46:47.:46:50.

government's strategy to promote tourism in Wales?

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We launched the strategy for tourism that set a target of 10% growth in

:46:54.:47:01.

real terms in respect of overnight expenditure by 2020, and we are on

:47:02.:47:05.

track to exceed that growth target. Thank you for that answer. Every

:47:06.:47:10.

opportunity that I have, I try to take to promote the benefits of

:47:11.:47:16.

tourism in Merthyr Tydfil Ann Romney, particularly in our social

:47:17.:47:23.

history, and I have been looking into improving signposting to many

:47:24.:47:26.

of the attractions that the area has to offer. However, my enquiries have

:47:27.:47:32.

revealed that since August 2013, any tourist destination located further

:47:33.:47:37.

than ten miles from a motorway or a great separated dual carriageway is

:47:38.:47:44.

not eligible for tourism brown signs. Signs that predate that are

:47:45.:47:51.

left unaffected. I clearly see there is need to manage proliferation of

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signs, but it does seem illogical to me that those attractions that are

:47:55.:47:58.

not immediately off the main highway into south Wales, the M4, which

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could benefit most from promotional signage, are not included, whereas

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those which are signed already enjoy the advantage of being located near

:48:08.:48:12.

the highway, within ten miles. So can I ask the First Minister to look

:48:13.:48:17.

into the possibility of revised criteria which would allow greater

:48:18.:48:20.

flexibility over the location of tourism signage so that areas like

:48:21.:48:26.

Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney are not further disadvantaged because they

:48:27.:48:30.

are more than ten miles away from the nearest motorway link? In

:48:31.:48:36.

relation to signing, it is not just the motorways but trunk roads, so

:48:37.:48:42.

for example destinations up to six miles for a single carriageway and

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seven for a dual carriageway or motorway may be eligible for

:48:47.:48:54.

signing. The A470 is a trunk road, so they are included in the

:48:55.:48:58.

criteria. I can say that we do encourage local authorities, and we

:48:59.:49:03.

do encourage Merthyr to apply to get signage for tourism attractions, and

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that offer of course is still on the table.

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There we are - that was First Minister's Questions.

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That's it for am:pm for 2016, though - we'll be back

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when the Assembly returns in the new year.

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