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And we will be taking some questions on the back of this, so will you | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
please welcome the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott. | :00:22. | :00:22. | |
APPLAUSE Good afternoon. Let me try that | :00:23. | :00:44. | |
again, good afternoon! Thank you for inviting me to address you to day. | :00:45. | :00:54. | |
It is an honour to be here and address you as Shadow Home | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
Secretary. I know you made a presentation to my colleague, Tobias | :00:59. | :01:07. | |
Ellwood, MP, this morning but I do want to take a minute to recollect | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
PC Palmer, Parliament is a village, in a good way and I think that | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
almost every member of Parliament new PC Palmer eyesight. And so, it | :01:22. | :01:31. | |
was shocking. Bass Magala new PC Palmer by sight. | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
It was shocking and holeable the way he died but the way he died with the | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
police service at its best, running towards danger and doing job. Before | :01:44. | :01:55. | |
I go on to the bulk of my speech, it may be helpful to introduce myself. | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
I am the Shadow Home Secretary, but I was born and brought up and | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
represent parts of London where crime is often higher then it should | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
be. I know the cost of crime, the fear that stops people, particularly | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
women, leaving their homes. The loss of property and valuables. The cost | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
in violence and assault. Particular Unite crime. I will come to later. | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
The terror that gangs can bring to neighbourhoods. -- particularly | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
knife crime. The fear of mothers concerned that the children will be | :02:39. | :02:40. | |
sucked up into that lifestyle. And so I know the value of policing. | :02:41. | :03:06. | |
Unlike this Government, who I would contend know the price of everything | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
but the value of nothing. And it is precisely because it is the poorest | :03:12. | :03:19. | |
communities who suffer the most from crime and violence than any | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
progressive politician should take the fight against crime and violence | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
very seriously indeed. Some of you would say, if she knows so much how | :03:31. | :03:38. | |
come she fumbled the Nick Ferrari interview? You see, I can read | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
minds! LAUGHTER | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
I would only ask as to which is more newsworthy. Diane Abbott fluffs a | :03:49. | :03:56. | |
line in a radio interview, or the fact that homicide is rising and | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
continues to rise. I would argue, and this may come as a shock to some | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
of you, I would argue that the Tories, whether in Government on | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
their own as they have been since 2015, or leading the coalition from | :04:12. | :04:20. | |
2010 until 2015, have not been good for policing. They say they are the | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
party of law and order, but I put it to you, would a real party of law | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
and order cut over 20,000 police officers and staff? Would a real | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
party of law and order leave police forces overstretched? And would a | :04:40. | :04:47. | |
real party of law and order cut the police budgets in cash terms? I | :04:48. | :04:56. | |
would remind you that the Tories pledged to protect police budgets in | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
real terms but instead they have cut it in real terms. They are cutting | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
it even in cash terms. And inflation will cut away at real spending | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
power. And if they are allowed to carry out their plans, this would | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
almost certainly mean further job losses, erosion of pensions and cuts | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
to real pain. I think you deserve better. The Labour Party thinks you | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
deserve better. You have heard from Tory politicians at this conference | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
and you will hear tomorrow about their support for the police, but I | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
would argue their speeches say one thing but there are cuts to funding | :05:37. | :05:45. | |
the another. Tory austerity has hit policing as much as the NHS or | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
education and other parts of the public sector, and in the long run I | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
believe that Tory austerity and Tory cuts to the police budget may prove | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
even more damaging to the public than the cuts to the NHS and | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
education are proving now. We know that in this financial year the | :06:12. | :06:19. | |
police grant will be ?682 million lower than the grant three years | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
ago. This is not the action of a party that genuinely puts policing | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
first or fighting crime first. Now, Tory ministers like to see that cuts | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
to the NHS and education have no consequences. We all know that that | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
is not true. You can go into A any Saturday night and see the long | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
waits, the people there, for whom there are no beds, lie on trolleys | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
or even parked up ambulances. Schools up and down the country are | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
going to lose staff and facilities because of cuts. And the same is | :06:56. | :07:04. | |
true of policing. Cutting back on policing budgets is not a no cost | :07:05. | :07:14. | |
economy. It has consequences. It has consequences for police officers and | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
staff in real time, and it has consequences I believe in terms of | :07:19. | :07:26. | |
the rate of crime. You will have heard that one of the Labour Party's | :07:27. | :07:35. | |
policies is that we want to bring in 10,000 more community police and | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
women -- policemen and women. We do not think that is all that needs to | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
be done, but that singles our intent to make good the of that promise. We | :07:49. | :08:01. | |
know this because that is what the office of research tells us. Theresa | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
May both as Home Secretary and as Prime Minister, under Theresa May, | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
the police had more cuts... And although overall crime | :08:08. | :08:24. | |
numbers may be flat or falling the most serious crimes, gun crime, | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
knife crime, assault, they are going up. In the Met gun crime has gone by | :08:32. | :08:42. | |
42%, and knife crime by. Alongside that -- knife crime by 24%. | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
Alongside that there's been a fall in the numbers of summons and | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
charges for gun crime, knife crime and hate crime. You don't have to | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
believe me. In March, Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary said | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
"Policing in England and Wales is in a potentially perilous state, as | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
Government cuts lead to investigations being shelved, | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
vulnerable victims being let down, and tens of thousands of potentially | :09:12. | :09:20. | |
dangerous subjects at large." It continues, "We have seen a tendency | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
to downgrade emergency calls to justify a slow response, a tendency | :09:24. | :09:31. | |
to reclassify domestic abuse, and ad hoc rationing as forces adapt to | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
austerity." That is what the Inspectorate of Constabulary said in | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
March, and Chief Superintendent Gavin Thomas, head of the | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
Association of England and Wales, said there are now 34,000 fewer | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
staff working in policing than there were in 2010. Including over 19,000 | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
fewer police officers. Your own chair of the federation said the | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
federation has been pointing out the pitfalls of continually taking the | :10:06. | :10:14. | |
axe to police budgets, and we have warned it will hurt the very people | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
we are pledged to protect, members of the public. Your chair has also | :10:18. | :10:28. | |
said, "Police personnel have endured 15% in real terms pay cut in recent | :10:29. | :10:36. | |
years, which has led to an exodus of experienced officers were quitting | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
the front line for safer, better paid jobs in the private sector." | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
And, you know, I have spoken about the direct effect of austerity and | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
cuts on policing, but there is also an indirect effect of austerity and | :10:53. | :11:01. | |
cuts on policing. The more local authorities are obliged to cut | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
housing services, obliged to cut mental health services, obliged to | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
cut social work budgets, it ends in police officers being the social | :11:12. | :11:19. | |
service of last resort. It does not deal with underlying social issues, | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
it shifts costs, wastes resources, and highly skilled police officers. | :11:26. | :11:32. | |
It is a false economy. As I said earlier, it is striking to me that | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
this Government, who claim to be the party of law and order, have also | :11:37. | :11:44. | |
presided over a rise in recorded crime. Now, whenever anybody says | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
that particularly a Labour politician, Tory politicians jump up | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
and say this is all due to better recording by the police. There is | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
better recording, but the rise in recorded crime is not just due to | :11:58. | :12:04. | |
better paperwork. There were 697 homicides in England and Wales in | :12:05. | :12:12. | |
2016, an increase of 9% compared to 2010-11, up from 21% in 2015. It is | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
serious, shocking and the rise in the homicide rate can't possibly be | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
due just to better recording. This is what the official statisticians | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
said on this rise. There appear to be smaller but genuine increases in | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
some of the lower volume but high harm categories of police recorded | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
violence including homicide and knife crime. But ministers are in | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
denial about this - they cannot accept their policies overall and | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
their policies on crime and policing have led to this. But they have. | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting is not policy. It is no | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
way to conduct the serious business of Government. Now, we all make | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
mistakes. You may have heard I have made one or two back myself over the | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
years, but as I said earlier. What is more newsworthy? Me fluffing a | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
line or the rate of homicide? An interviewer tripping up at Labour | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
spokesperson, or the fact that over 20,000 police officers and staff had | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
been cut? The reality is that all the sound and fury on this signifies | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
nothing. It is simply designed to obscure the real facts. Under the | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
Tories, police in Britain have been cut. The promises to protect the | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
police budget have been broken, and crime is higher, including the most | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
serious crimes which cause the most feared to the public. Our pledge on | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
policing is straightforward. We will restore 10,000 police officers to | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
the police forces in England and Wales. This is the equivalent of an | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
extra police officer in every ward in the country. This is not a total | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
answer to rebuilding after the Tory cuts but it is the beginning and it | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
is a pledge of intent. This pledge follows from our beliefs. We | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
strongly believe two things. Fewer police officers means police that | :14:09. | :14:14. | |
necessarily are more remote to the public. It means police who will | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
tend to be either the social worker of last resort or a force that | :14:20. | :14:27. | |
rushes in when the situation is close to or beyond breakdown. Fewer | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
police officers means less effective policing, and also potentially means | :14:35. | :14:41. | |
more police officers putting themselves in harm's way. The reason | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
we are talking about community police officers is we want to | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
rebuild the link between the police forces and the communities they | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
serve. Together, we believe they can be the eyes and ears of the | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
community, to check everything from anti-social behaviour and vandalism | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
through to drug dealing and even the emerging issues relating to | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
terrorism. In this country, we have a proud history of policing by | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
consent. But if the blue line is stretched too thin, the link to the | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
community is endangered. We want to confirm that link, we want to build | :15:15. | :15:23. | |
and rebuild community policing. Our policy of bringing 10,000 more | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
community policemen and women will be fully funded, it will be paid for | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
by reversing the Tory cuts, we believe it is simply not right that | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
those who make money simply by owning property or speculating on | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
the markets pay even less tax but ordinary people are paying more tax | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
and suffering worst public services such as policing. The Government | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
says there is no money. After making all of its tax giveaways to the | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
rich. If you ever wondered, those of you of curious disposition, why the | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
media treats policies like this with such hostility, ask yourself | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
something like this Mrs Merton question, why are the billionaires | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
who own Britain's media so hostile to policies were billionaires a more | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
tax? To fund services for ordinary people. Put it like that and the | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
question answers itself. You know why, I know why, they don't want to | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
pay more tax and they do not seem to understand the need of the public | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
for visible police officers and more police officers on the beat. People | :16:30. | :16:36. | |
with their own bodyguards and Private security teams, gated | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
housing, generally they are not big fans of paying for ordinary | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
policing, but Labour's policing policy is for the many, not the few. | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
All my political life I've campaigned against discrimination | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
and forcible liberties and I continue to campaign for the | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
importance of more women police officers. -- and civil liberties. I | :16:59. | :17:07. | |
congratulate the police on the progress that they have made up to | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
date. I am a strong advocate of body warned police cameras, I believe | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
they represent a win- win for the police and the public. They bring | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
bluer Sunni fewer complaints against the police when they are and greater | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
public confidence in the police. -- they bring complaints against the | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
police. A small investment in technology can lead to huge savings | :17:37. | :17:44. | |
in reducing wasted police time. Before I conclude my remarks I | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
wanted to talk about something which is a particular issue in our great | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
cities and that is the rise in knife crime. There has been a frightening | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
rise in knife crime in cities like London, in London alone 13 people | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
have died from knife crime in the three weeks. I support the lease | :18:04. | :18:11. | |
Commissioner's determination to act. I support the mess Derry | :18:12. | :18:23. | |
undoubtedly, we need more. We need to collect proper data on victims | :18:24. | :18:31. | |
and predators. We need to look into whether the mental health issues | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
involved. We need to establish, beyond question, the links where | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
they exist between knife crime and gang crime. I think there should be | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
an anonymous hotline in all our great cities where people that have | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
evidence, or knowledge, of people carrying knives or weapons can ring | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
in anonymously. We need to look at what works in cities like New York. | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
Let me say this, I was with my brother commanded just the other day | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
and when talking about this issue. -- I was with my bullock Amanda. | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
When you look at the pictures of the knives and swords that people are | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
carrying around, nobody can put and they carry those knives in their | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
back pocket to peel an apple. We're talking about knives which procured | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
and carried around to make terrible damage and mutilation to the human | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
body. I am in favour of all the steps we can take to make a decisive | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
move against the rise in knife crime. Finally, I would like to | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
speak to the theme of the conference, protecting the | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
protectors will stop I was proud that my first debate as Shadow Home | :19:50. | :19:51. | |
Secretary in the House of Commons to Secretary in the House of Commons to | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
lead the debate on assaults against the police. There were some amazing | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
speeches not least by my friend Holly he was coming on to speak | :20:03. | :20:09. | |
later. We live in a time when people assault and abuse public servants in | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
a way which was not thought of when I was growing up. Not just the | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
police, ambulance men and women, people that work in ANA. On the | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
point of view of protecting the protectors. | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
# People that work in A The police in particular, because you | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
are people who put yourself in harms way to protect society. I believe | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
there should be a change in legislation, tougher sentences, I | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
believe there should be batted training and access to equipment. I | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
believe we need more accurate data on police assault and I believe we | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
need to improve welfare support. Finally, I would like to conclude | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
with the central message. Labour stands for better policing, because | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
policing, more effective policing, policing, more effective policing, | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
and more policing. The police serve the entire community and that is | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
right. The people that suffer most from rising crime ordinary working | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
people, they are the ones who benefit most from effective | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
policing, the Tories cut police numbers and broke the pledge. We | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
will restore the minimal number of 10,000, and with the focus on | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
community policing. I believe, and I've always believed there was no | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
contradiction between valuing law and order and wanting to see more | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
police on the beat and upholding Civil Liberties. Policing by consent | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
means more effective policing and this is what Labour wants. This is | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
what Labour would deliver in office. As a previous Labour leader, John | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
Smith said, I think it was the night before he died, the chance to serve | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
is all we ask. We stand for the many not the few, whether this policing | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
and crime or the economy or housing or the NHS. So, with thank you very | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
much for taking the time to hear what I have to say. Thank you. | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
APPLAUSE I know that Diane will stay with us | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
for a few questions, as well. Thank you to the Shadow Home Secretary. We | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
have some questions coming in. Just a point on that 10,000 figure. I | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
will ask you what it costs? You have clearly been through all of that. | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
Who came with the number? What was the thinking behind it. It wasn't | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
that we think the police needs 10,000 extra police officers, it | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
seemed to is a doable number, given the resources. We will be recruiting | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
over for five-year period. In the end, the decision as to how many in | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
different parts of the country will be a matter of the Chief constables | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
and PCC 's. On that point, this comes from Paul who says, I will | :23:11. | :23:18. | |
come to that one second... This from Simon who says, Diane Abbott why do | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
not support police forces using spit gods? You now have a great | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
opportunity to set the record straight. You have been vocal about | :23:27. | :23:35. | |
this in the past. Well, I have been looking at the evidence in relation | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
to spit gods. They continued to look at the evidence in relation to them. | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
I have never said I'm against them in principle. But, like any fresh | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
equipment or power, I want to see the evidence as to what they would | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
do in particular in relation to the health risks that many... Can I help | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
you out, I'm not an aspect on this, I think the theory is that if | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
someone spits in your face use the spit gods stop them that. | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
APPLAUSE -- you use the spit guardss. I was | :24:14. | :24:23. | |
talking about health, statistically. One of the groups I have consulted | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
with the group that represent sufferers from hepatitis C and the | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
groups that work with HIV sufferers. They are not, they argue that you do | :24:36. | :24:46. | |
not catch hepatitis C or HIV... That is what they say. That is why say | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
I'm looking that the recess. It is about checking whether that person | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
beforehand is... It is about looking at the research and coming to a | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
considered view. I have to tell you, particularly the people that | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
represent people with hepatitis C, they are concerned that there is an | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
assumption that you can catch edge it by someone spitting at you. Does | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
not will about that, is it? When you are in the sort of environment... | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
APPLAUSE It is not a medical assessment at | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
that moment, it is a riot situation, and arrest situation, where someone | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
is kicking off in a way that you need to somehow restrain them a | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
number of different methods. That would be one of them. We will hear | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
the story in the next session about what happened to a police officer in | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
this very scenario. Police officers look at this piece of kit is | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
something that is very helpful. But, we know that the Metropolitan Police | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
are still looking into it. They have something going on in London. | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
Something I make here is the result of the trial. A question from Paul, | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
the one I was going to ask, has anyone asked the question about | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
whether is the 10,000 more police are police officers or community | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
support officers? Police officers. Any extra community support | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
officers? Well, my Shadow Chancellor tomorrow is going to give a detailed | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
presentation of our manifesto together with costings, but I would | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
be above my pay grade now promising view anything other than 10,000 | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
extra police officers. OK. Let's get a question from the floor. Things | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
are coming, today. My name is Mark I'm from Somerset died in the bottom | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
bit of the country. -- down in the bottom bit of the country. | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
LAUGHTER Two things, I want to reiterate what a win is just said, | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
spit guards are not about the contagious effect of being spat on, | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
it is about being spat on. It is something to protect us from being | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
assaulted by Lee. Any consideration you give that in the future, it is | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
not about contracting something it is but not being spat on. If you | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
could bear that in mind I would appreciate that. | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
APPLAUSE The second point I would like to | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
ask, I'm putting you on this but I don't apologise for that. As Shadow | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
Home Secretary, or Home Secretary, will you hear today commits to was, | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
we'd already had today the difficulties around the changing of | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
legislation to protect urgency drivers... Adding catch that? | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
Urgency drivers. We have no protection in laws when we drive our | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
police cars with sirens on, I would like to commit to data was that you | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
would seek to address that to offer us protection. Get the protectors. | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
Can you do that? I was certainly undertake to look at how the Labour | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
Party, whether in government, I hope, or in opposition, can alter | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
the legislation to give police divers the protection they need. A | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
statement of intent from you then? That is what I call a statement of | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
intent. Your stamen and then? Thank you. He was a question from Adam | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
from Norfolk. Does he -- does Diane Abbott believe that the increase in | :28:16. | :28:24. | |
knife crime result from the decrease in stop and search? You been vocal | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
on stop and search in the past, as well what are your thoughts on the | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
correlation between those two? I live in a border, Hackney, where | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
I've worked closely with my border I've worked closely with my border | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
commander on these issues and in Hackney we have managed to bring | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
Pringle levels of prosecution. I Pringle levels of prosecution. I | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
believe, there is a strong case for more use of evidence -based stop and | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
search in relation to knife crime. The well community groups that are | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
calling through it. But, I've always been a sceptic of random stop and | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
search, which set in the past identified relatively small amounts | :29:04. | :29:13. | |
of criminal activity. And had a poor effect on police community | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
relations. However, with the current crisis in knife crime and with some | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
community organisations calling for more targeted stop and search, that | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
is something I am happy to look at. I am told we only have time for one | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
more question which was just going in order of who was first out of the | :29:32. | :29:40. | |
traps on the last one remaining. I'm from Nottinghamshire Police, in | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
relation to spit guards, everything that goes with them, the key point | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
you are missing is health and safety piece of equipment. If you of stroke | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
that, expect a lawsuit to sit on your lap when it lands. I am aware, | :29:58. | :30:05. | |
if I wasn't aware, I've got that sense from the audience today, that | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
spit codes is a complex subject. There is health and safety, there is | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
health, there was a whole range of issues, but your question is about | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
if the government, or the Met to Poulton police, because they are the | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
first major police force that will allow spit huts, which will | :30:27. | :30:33. | |
potentially allow them... Sally? Well, they are in use. Sorry? If the | :30:34. | :30:43. | |
Mets police allow spit huts across the Metropolitan Police area or they | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
refuse to, then they may find themselves subject to lawsuits, I | :30:48. | :30:54. | |
will certainly take that back to the Metropolitan Police. If they did not | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
understand it and show it will inform the thinking going forward. | :30:58. | :31:05. | |
Finally... OK. Finally, it was a pleasure to come here, it's a | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
pleasure to hear your views on a range of issues, and as I said right | :31:09. | :31:16. | |
at the beginning, what ever other parties may say to you about being | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
the party of law and order, you need the party of law and order, you need | :31:19. | :31:27. | |
to compare the record an police funding and reflect on the reality | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
of that claim. Thank you, very much. Sorry, can I bring in a question on | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
the front. I think it is in the two... Chairman of the Metropolitan | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
Police Federation. I served in the borough next to yours for 25 years. | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
I do not know where you are getting your facts and figures on around the | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
spit guards. I've done huge amount of work and I will gladly sit down | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
with you. If you look at the last Notting Hill Carnival, 82 of my | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
colleagues were injured 16 had it Hospital, so I find it quite amazing | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
some of the things you are there and saying. This is an on the spot | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
requirement. Please, we need them. Final words, Diane Abbott. | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
APPLAUSE My final word this, I understand | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
your point of view the point of view of thousands of officers opened down | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
the country and that is why I am working closely with them the and | :32:27. | :32:33. | |
his deputy mayor, who was in charge of policing on this issue. They are | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
doing the pilots, they will come to a conclusion and I will be guided by | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
the conclusions of that Pilate. Shadow Home Secretary, Diane added. | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
Thank you very much indeed. APPLAUSE | :32:49. | :32:52. |