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My name is Angela Smith, I am the leader of the Labour group in the | :00:23. | :00:29. | |
House of Lords. Thank you the coming. What we are talking about | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
today is about the threat posed to our public services if we were to | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
have five more years of the Tories. And how we, as Labour, would take a | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
different approach. We have a plan to reverse the decline we have seen | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
under this Conservative government. We will hear from Angela Rayner, our | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
Education Secretary, and Jonathan Ashworth, our Shadow Health | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
Secretary. We are also launching our latest election poster, which is | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
there now, you can see behind us, about what could happen to an NHS | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
waiting list, they will soar if the Tories return to government. First, | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
it is my pleasure to ask Jeremy Corbyn to ask -- say a few words | :01:17. | :01:24. | |
about this campaign. Good morning. Thank you all very much for coming | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
this morning. Thank you, Angela, for the introduction. The future of our | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
NHS and other schools is at stake in this election. These states that the | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
Conservatives have left our NHS, our schools in, is anything but strong | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
and stable. Over the last seven years, they have starved public | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
services who rely on those resources, at every turn they have | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
chosen tax giveaways for the view over public services for the many. | :01:53. | :02:01. | |
Patients are suffering wait in long walks, A maternity wards and | :02:02. | :02:08. | |
hospitals are threatened with closure. Children are crammed into | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
overcrowded and crumbling classrooms. Schools send begging | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
letters to the parents. It has two chains. Together, we can make it | :02:19. | :02:25. | |
chains on the 8th of June. Labour will invest in our schools and | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
hospitals. We will cut school class sizes, but not schools. Take a | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
million people off the waiting list, not as more. Ensure people get the | :02:37. | :02:43. | |
care they deserve. And guarantee that dedicated staff get a pay rise. | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
Another five years of the Conservatives would be disastrous | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
for our public services. If they carry on as they are now, by 2022 | :02:51. | :02:58. | |
there could be 5.5 million people on the NHS England waiting list. 1.5 | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
million older people with unmet care needs. 650,000 pupils crammed into | :03:06. | :03:15. | |
primary classes of over 30. Families left almost ?450 worth of her child | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
as a result of the Tories' plan to scrap free school meals to 1.7 | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
million children. That is the conservative vision for Britain. But | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
don't take my word for it. Last week, BIF F made clear the | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
Conservative manifesto, promises no new money to the NHS and a real | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
terms cut in pupil funding for schools. That vision does not has to | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
become a reality. On 8th of June, they is only one party that can | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
improve public services for the many not the few. That is Labour. We will | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
build an NHS and social care system for the many, we will invest ?37 | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
billion into the NHS, and take 1 million people of the waiting list | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
by 2022. We will invest ?8 billion in social care over the next five | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
years. And lay the foundations for a National Care Service, to integrate | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
health and social care. Labour will build a national education service | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
and invest in our children's futures. We will cap class sizes at | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
30, 4546 and seven-year-old and Labour will provide free school | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
meals to all primary school children. The Conservatives would | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
take that away and replace it with a thimble full of rice crispies for | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
each child. In the fifth richest country in the world, | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
it is not acceptable for people to be left in hospitals without care. | :04:54. | :05:03. | |
It is not right and does not make sense to undermine the future of our | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
next generation. We believe those who can afford it should pay just a | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
little bit more. To fund care, dignity and opportunity for all. It | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
gives me great pleasure to introduce our Health Secretary, John Ashworth, | :05:19. | :05:28. | |
to take you through the details over our concerns with the NHS. Over to | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
you. Thank you Germany. Good morning. The Tories thought they | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
could glide to this election with nothing more than trite slogans. But | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
the British people ensure that that will not go to plan. They want | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
answers on how many pensioners stand to lose from Tory plans. They want | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
answers on what the school funding cuts will mean for their children. | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
And the British people want answers the wider NHS is being pushed | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
backwards, why they're waiting longer longer for health care. On | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
the morning of their manifesto launch, the current Conservative | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
Health promised to increase spending on the NHS above promises made to | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
date. But within a matter of days, the Institute for Fiscal Studies can | :06:19. | :06:28. | |
Toure confirmed their plans had no extra for health services. This is | :06:29. | :06:29. | |
not the time the agreement were not the they used misleading figures for | :06:30. | :06:42. | |
spending. The head of the NHS executive accused the Prime Minister | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
at stretching it by asking for the money it asked for. The Tory cash | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
crisis in our NHS is getting worse. Last week, leaked figures estimate | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
that hospitals in England ended the financial year more than ?700 | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
billion in the red. A funding crisis has left the NHS is weak and | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
unstable. With patients being forced to pay the price. The British people | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
an honest picture about the state of our health service. We are | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
publishing a dossier setting out our new analysis on the scale of the | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
underfunding of the NHS and the projected impact on patient care of | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
another five years of Conservative. Now, first on infrastructure. We are | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
all familiar with the recent cyber security attack on the NHS. It | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
affected more than 40 hospitals across England. Many experts warn | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
that investment in NHS infrastructure including IT, had | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
been cut back over the last seven years. Today, based on evidence we | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
collected through Freedom of information request, we can reveal | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
the impact of these infrastructure cuts. Hospitals left crumbling, | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
patient care at risk, staff being forced to work in facilities that | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
are simply no longer fit for purpose. We can reveal that in a | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
hospital in south London, a wheelchair-bound client had to be | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
seen outside on the steps of the building as a result of the disabled | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
lift being out of order. In Coventry, a leak from the ceiling | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
onto an operating table, meant that patient had to be re-routed to | :08:26. | :08:37. | |
other. In Cornwall, power cuts. In Essex, award was closed and patient | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
had to be moved. In the Isle of Wight, a contamination cause | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
flooding on the level eight out patient department. It was out of | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
action for the days, resulting in fast patient breaches. And in a | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
Surrey Hospital, in the Health Health Secretary's backyard, | :08:57. | :09:10. | |
patients could not be seen. We can't go on like this. Staff and patients | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
deserve better, our loved ones deserve better. Secondly on | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
standards of care. Since the 2015 election, the Tories have failed on | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
every single major standard of care. Patients across England are being | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
failed and the blame lies firmly at the door of ten Downing St. The 18 | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
week referral to treatment target was last met in February 20 16. A 62 | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
day cancer waiting time targets, at last met December 20 15. The four | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
hour a and E target, last met the lie 2015. -- delighted 715. The 80 | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
minute ambulance response target, for urgent calls, last night made | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
2015. The consequence of these failings as millions of more people | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
every year, waiting in pain for urgent care or waiting with | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
discomfort for routine treatments. Before the general election was | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
called, you will recall the chief executive of NHS admitting that | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
because of Tory underfunding, the 18 week target for treatment would not | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
be met for at least several years. Legal opinion, we have sought from | :10:25. | :10:32. | |
the QC, suggest this is a breach of legal rights in the NHS | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
Constitution. But the analysis we are publishing today, reveals under | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
the Conservatives, waiting lists are set to grow even further. Another | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
five years of the Tory government, would bring five more years of | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
underfunding, five more years of growing waiting lists, and five more | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
years of patients being let down. On current projections, if the Tories | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
are re-elected by 2022, a 3.5 million people will wait more than | :11:02. | :11:10. | |
four hours in A each year. 800,000 will wait more than four hours in | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
hospital trolleys. 2 million hospital bed days will be lost | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
because of delayed transfers of care. 1.5 million people will have | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
an met care needs. And more than a 5.5 million people will be on the | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
waiting list for NHS treatment. In other words, thousands of patients | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
every single day being let down by the Tories, being denied the care | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
they need and deserve, and having their health but at risk because of | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
the damaging policies of the right wing Tory government who do not | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
believe in our NHS. Labour has been very clear in this election about | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
our plans for the NHS. ?27 billion extra funding over the parliament. | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
?10 billion of capital funding to invest in NHS infrastructure. | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
Patient guarantees to legal rights to be enshrined in the NHS | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
Constitution. And a renewed focus on keeping people fit and well to | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
reduce demands on the NHS. At the same time, the Conservatives in this | :12:18. | :12:24. | |
election are misleading voters about their record and are being dishonest | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
with voters about their plans for the future. In conclusion, the | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
choice of this election is now clear. It's a choice between | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
investment in the NHS with Labour, but is now more money for the NHS | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
under the Tories. It is a choice between waiting lists falling by a | :12:42. | :12:48. | |
million with Labour, versus waiting lists rising by a million under the | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
Tories. Patients and people first with Labour, versus cuts and | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
closures under the Tories. A vote for Labour next Thursday is a vote | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
for our children's education, it is a vote for our NHS, it is a vote for | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
Britain but what future, average for the many, not the few, thank you. -- | :13:07. | :13:15. | |
a vote for the future, a vote for the many. Thank you. Our schools | :13:16. | :13:23. | |
have reached crisis point. The Tories are cutting school budgets | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
for the first time since the mid-19 90s. There is a crisis in her | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
teacher and recruitment retention that is getting worse every year. | :13:32. | :13:39. | |
Schools up and down the country are struggling to keep the lights on. | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
And are constantly faced with the impossible decisions of which | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
teacher to make redundant. Or which subject to be removed from the | :13:51. | :13:59. | |
curriculum. That is the impact of the Conservatives' education policy. | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
A crisis in our schools which is narrowing our children's horizons | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
and opportunities. Just last month, a school in the Prime Minister's own | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
constituencies sent a letter home to parents telling them that due to the | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
cuts, they were letting go of teachers. Getting rid of subjects. | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
And their school library. Theresa May can't even keep the | :14:22. | :14:31. | |
promises she makes to her own constituents, so how is anyone to | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
trust a word she says? At the same time that the Tories are cutting | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
school budgets, they are also failing to recruit the teachers our | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
children need. They have missed their own teacher recruitment | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
targets for the previous five years and the number of unqualified | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
teachers have shot up by 52% since the Tories relaxed the rules on | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
teacher quality in 2012. This is the reality of education in England at | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
under Theresa May. We are here today to set out what five more years of | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
Tories could spelt out for our schools. The ISS have confirmed that | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
the supposed extra money that Tories will put into our schools will still | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
leave cuts to per-pupil spending of around 7% between 2016 and 2022 of | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
the next Parliament. So what would that mean? The education select | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
committee have been clear about the cuts to our school budgets and what | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
that will mean. Larger class sizes and more reliance on unqualified | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
teachers. If class sizes increase at the same rate, and they will if the | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
Tories continue to spend scarce resources on building free schools | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
where they are not required, we could see 650,000 children in class | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
sizes of over 30. And as schools sizes of over 30. And as schools | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
struggle to plug the holes left by the Tory cuts, it is likely that | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
they will rely more on more -- more and more on unqualified teachers who | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
are cheaper to employ. At the current rate we could be looking at | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
40,000 unqualified teachers in our schools by 2022. The Tories are a | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
threat to the excellent school standards our children deserve. | :16:42. | :16:50. | |
There is nothing in the Tory manifesto about school buildings, | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
despite the fact that the school estate is crumbling with over 60% of | :16:55. | :17:03. | |
school buildings being built before 1976. They also appear to have | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
remained on the commitment to not allow schools to be run for | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
not-for-profit. The Tories over this country some honesty. Why would they | :17:15. | :17:23. | |
allow this damaging practice? If they do, we will see a race to the | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
bottom in school standards, as has happened in other countries. And | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
what is all the more shocking is that against this backdrop of | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
failure and neglect the Tories are choosing to concentrate on building | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
a handful of new selective schools for a handful of better of children. | :17:44. | :17:54. | |
They are the same old Tories. Our schools and our children's teachers | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
are not safe under the Tories and Labour would do things differently. | :17:59. | :18:05. | |
We will build a unified national education service to support | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
everyone in our country through education from cradle to grave. We | :18:12. | :18:20. | |
believe education is a right and not the privilege it has become in Tory | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
England. We will invest in our schools make sure they are resourced | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
Byrum reversing the short-sighted Tory cuts. A Labour government will | :18:28. | :18:37. | |
cap class sizes at 34 five, and seven-year-olds to make sure that | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
children get the attention they need and teachers can effectively | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
reinstate order to our classrooms. We will deliver free school meals | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
for all primary school children to make sure that no child is allowed | :18:53. | :19:00. | |
to go hungry at school and we will pay for it by removing the VAT | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
exemptions on private schools because it is the right thing to do. | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
We would celebrate teachers and not talk them down. Our children deserve | :19:11. | :19:18. | |
the best this country can give them an under a Labour government and | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
with me as your Secretary of State for Education, every child across | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
Britain will be able to reach their full potential. Angela, thank you | :19:30. | :19:41. | |
very much. I think you got a star pitcher there from Jeremy, Jonathan | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
and Angela of what the outcomes could be of another five years of a | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
Tory government. We have time for a few questions. If you could say who | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
you are first that will be really helpful. Laura and then John. | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
Immigration has been one of the public's and serves many years. You | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
said it will probably come down under your government mother can you | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
tell us how your immigration policy would work exactly? And if not, why | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
not? May also ask you to put us out of our misery to say whether or not | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
you will be attending the BBC debate later this evening whether you were | :20:22. | :20:29. | |
send someone else in your place? I'll take the questions in groups of | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
three. We might not built to help you out on that one just yet Laura, | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
but you will be one of the first to know. Jonathan? Andy Bell. Sorry. | :20:37. | :20:49. | |
It's been said that your tax-and-spend plans are not you | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
being honest with the British public. It said you will have to | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
find more tags from other people. Is there one more? Jack. The is a | :21:01. | :21:10. | |
surprising poll in the Times this morning, suggesting we are all calls | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
for a hung parliament. I will be interested to ask Jeremy how would | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
you respond in that situation, if next Friday there is hung parliament | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
and you need to form a coalition. What will you do? Who wants to go | :21:24. | :21:33. | |
first on those of questions? Anju? I don't trust polls. Anyone who does | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
trust them at the moment is naive to say the least. The Labour Party are | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
in it to win it. We have just outlined what a disastrous seven | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
years the Tories have been to Britain and we have just said what | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
an opportunity it will be for Britain if they elect a Labour | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
government because I believe our manifesto is finishing the work of | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
the manifesto we brought out, the Labour government of 1995. Our | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
national education service will transform Britain so that our young | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
people don't feel left behind and our older people aren't asked to pay | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
for their care by the governments matching the houses,, which may I | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
add, Margaret Thatcher wanted to buy in the first place. -- wanted them | :22:22. | :22:29. | |
to buy in the first place. We think we can raise the money from the tax | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
changes we are proposing. It is difficult for us to do an analysis | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
against the Conservative Party figures because it's not clear what | :22:40. | :22:50. | |
they are proposing to do. They have broken tax promises before. They | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
said previously they would not increase VAT and they have. This | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
Prime Minister wanted to increase national insurance, despite the | :22:59. | :23:09. | |
pledge previously. Our plans for expenditure on the NHS and schools, | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
they do recognise we will be putting in more money than the Conservatives | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
are proposing. I take you back to the start of my hesitation. Jeremy | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
Hunt told the people that the Conservatives will be putting more | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
money into the NHS. Within days that claim has been blown apart by the | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
independent ISS and this election is a big choice now between investment | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
in the national health service with the Labour Party or continued | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
financial squeeze on the NHS under the Conservatives would the impact | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
that standards of care for patients will deteriorate further if the | :23:48. | :23:48. | |
Conservatives get re-elected next week. John and Angela could not put | :23:49. | :23:58. | |
it better. Essentially the choice is, do you continue with the damage | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
to our public services, damage to education and health, or do you | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
elect a Labour government that will do things in a totally different | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
direction and different way. That is the message we're out today. On the | :24:13. | :24:22. | |
questions of immigration, Laura. When we moved the European Union, | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
Freedom movement ends within the European Union as far as Britain is | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
concerned. We've made that clear. We've made it clear we will | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
legislate immediately, as we tried to do when Andy Burnham announced | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
the resolution to this effect regarding EU nationals having the | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
right to remain in Britain. The same applies to UK nationals in Europe. | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
Under manage migration which will come after we leave the European | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
Union, it will be based on the needs of our economy and rights of family | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
reunion, and it will absolutely prevent unscrupulous employers | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
importing whole scale workforces from lower paid regimes in order to | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
come to this country and undercut people that work in this country. So | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
we will end that appalling race to the bottom which does so much damage | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
to community cohesion and relations between workers was the employer was | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
-- whilst the employer laughs all the way to the bank. I am not going | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
to make false promises in the way that Theresa May did in 2010 and | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
2015 and as she is making at this time. We will manage migration based | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
on the needs of this country. We also have to be very clear that we | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
have a skill shortage because this government has not invested enough | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
in training and education and that skill shortage has to be met from | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
somewhere. If we did not have migrant workers, either from outside | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
or inside Europe working in our national health service, as I am | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
sure John will confirm, it would be sure John will confirm, it would be | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
in an even worse state than it is at the present time. Likewise the | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
thousands who teach in our schools and help our children. Where | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
communities have had large numbers of people moving in and greater | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
demands have been placed on local public services, we will reinstate | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
the special fund that the previous Labour governments instituted to | :26:30. | :26:31. | |
assist local authorities in both areas. I simply say this. There is | :26:32. | :26:39. | |
something very odd about going down to sky-macro the other night. Being | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
brought in front of the audience, happy to do so. I sat in front of | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
Jeremy Paxman and an utter pleasure it was as well to be having a chat | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
with Jeremy Paxman for a while. There is no finer way to spend | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
Monday evening. And then the Prime Minister is hiding away in a room | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
upstairs, only to come down and do exactly the same. Howard Apuleius -- | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
how ridiculous is that? Come on Prime Minister, let's have a chat. I | :27:12. | :27:20. | |
am sure she is watching this. She's not that busy. Come and have a | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
debate, change your mind. On Andy's question on the ISS. The ISS has | :27:27. | :27:33. | |
stated in stark terms what the Conservative government would do if | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
re-elected. It has also analysed our plans. They have not costed the | :27:40. | :27:49. | |
effect of our new taxes on overseas property, for example, because they | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
don't exist that the present time and therefore they did not feel able | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
to give a prediction of the income from them. We are very confident | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
that everything we have put forward in this document is about funding | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
our manifesto is a robust and will stand up and will deliver a step | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
change the people of this country and 95% will pay no more in tax on | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
national insurance, will benefit from Alberta Health Services, better | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
schools and investment across the whole country in all regions of | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
England as well as in Scotland and Wales on improved infrastructure. | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
And on the last point that Jack so kindly raised, I never comment on | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
opinion polls, but this election campaign is going very well. | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
Thousands of people are joining our campaign and joining the Labour | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
Party and do you know what? The average donation online at our party | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
head office is ?22. This is ordinary people giving their money because | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
they want a political change in this country and I am looking forward to | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
the result which will be announced on June the 9th. Thank you Jeremy. | :28:57. | :29:09. | |
And plead to Theresa May it's not too late for her to change her mind. | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
I will take three more. From here, but back and over there. Following | :29:14. | :29:25. | |
on Laura's question, you talked about migrant workers being needed. | :29:26. | :29:36. | |
I would like your comments on whether or not you will be allowing | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
unskilled workers into the country. Also do you have a plan regarding | :29:44. | :29:56. | |
the Brexit talks? Man in the white shirt and then the blue tie? Polls | :29:57. | :30:05. | |
aside, voters have a right to know the party's potential negotiating | :30:06. | :30:15. | |
stance in advance. You rule of coalition. Do you have any deal to | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
keep the Tories out? If we have time, we will do three more | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
afterwards. Jeremy, you have tweeted this morning that yourself and Kvyat | :30:27. | :30:34. | |
Dugdale are of one mind of over the Scottish referendum. If you become | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
Prime Minister, will you tell Nicola Sturgeon to take it off the table | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
for at least the next five years. And whilst you were working for | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
peace in Northern Ireland, did you ever publicly call for an IRA | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
ceasefire? Is OK. Thanks for your question. | :30:51. | :30:59. | |
What you have been reading is a document that was being discussed | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
between researchers in our teens as happens every day of the week in | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
every party and all around Parliament. Our policy is in our | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
manifesto. That is the policy that will be carried out. On the plan for | :31:15. | :31:22. | |
Brexit, we accept the result of the referendum. We are leaving the EU. | :31:23. | :31:31. | |
Strong negotiation is one, tariff free access to the European market, | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
too. We will legislate and protect the rights of EU nationals living in | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
Britain. Three, we will protect the rights and regulations that we have | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
achieved through EU membership. And there will be other areas especially | :31:46. | :31:51. | |
that we want to remain part of. Such as security sharing, issues of | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
environment pollution and control. All those things are very important. | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
Crucially, it has to be tariff free trade access to the European market, | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
much of our Manufacturing industry relies both on a market in Europe | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
and also a supply chain in Europe. Quite a lot of European industry | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
also relies on a supply chain from this country. That will be the key | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
points of negotiation that we are putting forward. Keir Starmer is an | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
extremely experienced and very well qualified legal brain. There is no | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
finer legal brain even in this room than Keir Starmer. He will be the | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
one to lead our negotiations. I'm looking forward to key are doing | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
that, and obviously all those other capital will be part of it. George, | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
I think you spend too much time at Westminster, if I say so. You should | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
get out of it more. I really believe that. What you would see outside is | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
a very different story. The enthusiasm, the change, the whole | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
ambition of people to win this election for Labour, to elect a | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
Labour government with a majority to carry out what will be an agenda | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
double radically improve the lives of so many people and give young | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
people confidence in their own future, rather than a future of | :33:12. | :33:18. | |
debt, underfunded schools, insecurity and low-paid jobs. I | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
invite you to join us when we celebrate victory. Is that all | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
right, George? If you want to see the enthusiasm around the country, | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
please join us. It's fun. You'll enjoy it, I promise you. You really | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
well. Kevin. Your question on the Scottish referendum. Obviously the | :33:36. | :33:42. | |
Scottish Parliament has taken a view will stop I believe that the last | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
thing Scotland needs now is that debate. What is needed now is a | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
serious debate about the problems of underfunding public services in | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
Scotland. The way in which the SNP government has declined to use the | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
tax-raising powers it has in order to ameliorate the effects of | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
austerity by the Westminster government, and I think it would be | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
extremely wrong and unwise to go into a referendum while the Brexit | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
negotiations are going on. The invitation I would give to the | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
Scottish Government is, think again. The important thing now is to get a | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
deal with the European Union that guarantees trade access to the | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
European markets, to protect our jobs and our industries in this | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
country. Over Northern Ireland, I always wanted there to be a | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
ceasefire. I supported ceasefires, there was one ceasefire under the | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
Major government which unfortunately collapsed, but another one was | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
instituted very quickly on the election of the Labour government in | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
1997. I think we should pay huge tribute to that government in | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
achieving that. The peace process is achieving that. The peace process is | :34:55. | :35:01. | |
something people from all around the world have learned from. There were | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
people on both sides in Northern Ireland who met, but the principle | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
of the ceasefire and the 1997 agreement, the Good Friday | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
Agreement, was that both sides had to recognise there was a shared and | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
different cultural history in the past in Ireland and that stood the | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
test of time. We still have that government system in Northern | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
Ireland and I think we should be pleased about that. Those of us that | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
took up cases of what we believe to be miscarriages of justice, I think | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
we are right to do so. Those that try to encourage people to come to | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
the table and talk, I think were absolutely right to do so. Thanks | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
Jeremy. Only time the two more questions now, apologies. To the | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
back and the lady in red who has been waving. And the lady in the | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
grey jacket here. Please state your names. Thank you. Tamara Cohen from | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
Sky News. You criticise the Conservatives on social care, but | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
what does Labour think is a reasonable amount for people to pay | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
for social care over their lifetime? Is it the ?72,000 and judo mats | :36:06. | :36:13. | |
nested, or if not, what is it? Theresa May said yesterday that if | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
you were negotiating Brexit, she said you would be alone and naked in | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
the negotiating chamber. What would you say to her? Not a pretty sight. | :36:21. | :36:32. | |
Sorry! Over here. I'm only joking. Kate Dublin, from the Herald. Mr | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
people on both sides of the divide people on both sides of the divide | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
in Northern Ireland. I'm wondering if during those years, you ever met | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
with political representatives of loyalist militant groups? John, do | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
you want to pick up on social care first of all? Social care, as we all | :36:53. | :36:59. | |
know, has quite rightly become one of the big issues of the selection | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
following the chaos of the Tory manifesto with the dementia tax. It | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
is something which has been raised all the time on the doorstep, | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
particularly in marginal constituencies across the country. | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
We know that social care has been in crisis for some time. 4.6 billion | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
has been cut from social care over the last six or seven years. Surrey | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
County Council were pleading for special arrangements with the | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
government because social care crisis hitting their area. We have | :37:30. | :37:31. | |
some will put more money into social care. It needs an emergency | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
injection of money and we will provide that. We will do 8 billion | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
across Parliament. On specifics of a cap, you will also recall Jeremy | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
Hunt on the today programme, on the morning of the manifesto launch, | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
ruling out a cap. Quite clear and stark terms, he has been made to | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
look rather silly now, consequently following the prime ministers | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
panicked, chaotic manoeuvre. But we believe that the principles of | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
sound. We will want to consult on the principles of deal not, and we | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
will want to move over a Parliament to a national care service. We | :38:10. | :38:16. | |
believe we have to proceed with consensus. We are happy and keen to | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
talk to other political parties across Parliament, opposition | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
parties, conservatives and liberals. About what that final social care | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
settlement looks like. What you have not got with us is the | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
shilly-shallying around of social care that you have seen with the | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
Conservative government. We're going to but substantive... The people who | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
have been denied social care deserve better. I'm going to ask Jeremy to | :38:45. | :38:53. | |
respond to the other questions. John has made the points on social care | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
that we will put money in immediately. The fact the | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
Conservatives have done a U-turn on the manifesto is I think a record | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
breaker in British political history. We will fund social care | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
properly, we will have a national social care system, and please | :39:14. | :39:15. | |
understand the stress that families and individuals go through. | :39:16. | :39:24. | |
Individuals, often the elderly and alone, stuck in hospital beds | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
because they cannot get the care they need. Families stressed out | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
because a relative cannot get the support they need, and people, | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
work to care for them. Those with work to care for them. Those with | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
multiple needs disabled children or those with learning difficulties not | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
getting the support they need. Social care, I think, is fundamental | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
to how you live in a decent civilised society. We are determined | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
to achieve a good quality social care system that takes stress away | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
from people. On the attitude the Prime Minister takes towards | :39:57. | :39:58. | |
negotiations, I certainly would not use language like that myself. I | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
think it's totally inappropriate to describe anyone as naked. Even me. | :40:03. | :40:09. | |
We will approach the negotiations as I have set out in a very serious | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
way. Primarily to gain and continue this | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
tariff free access to the EU market. But we are not approaching | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
negotiations by threatening Europe. By threatening that if you do not | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
give us everything we want on day one, we will walk away, slash | :40:27. | :40:33. | |
corporation tax, given lots of giveaways to very big corporations | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
in order to set up some kind of rival tax haven on the shores of | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
Europe. We are leaving the EU, we are still going to have to have a | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
relationship with Europe in the future. That will be the basis of | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
our negotiations. We will approach them obviously immediately after the | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
election on those principal basis. We have been reaching out already. | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
Keir Starmer has visited most of the capitals across Europe, met the | :40:59. | :41:04. | |
27 parliaments are going to have to 27 parliaments are going to have to | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
ultimately vote on this as well as the European Parliament. Of course | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
the commission as well. We have been standing up for the needs of the | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
economy and people of this country but we will be having sensible and | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
serious negotiations, and that is our determination to achieve that | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
tariff free access to the European market. On the points that Kate | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
raised, yes, I met many people in Northern Ireland over many years. On | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
both sides, I had long conversations with David Ervine. And others. Who | :41:37. | :41:43. | |
had out of the different traditions in Northern Ireland. But let's be | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
positive. A peace process was achieved. By the leaders of all of | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
the major parties, stepping out of their comfort zone in order to meet | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
each other and agree a long-term peace strategy. Absolutely | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
remarkable achievement. It's been used as a template for peace | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
processes in other parts of the world. I think it is something a lot | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
of people should be very proud of, that that was achieved, because the | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
alternative is to go back to the horrors of the troubles, the horrors | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
of the suspension of so much of the normal liberties of people in | :42:19. | :42:26. | |
Northern Ireland, because of the troubles at that time. Let's be | :42:27. | :42:27. | |
positive at the achievements that were made during that period. This | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
conference is about our future, it is about health, it is about | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
election, our party is putting election, our party is putting | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
something positive forward, confident, hopeful and optimistic | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
for the people of Britain. We are not threatening with another five | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
years of cuts, closures and loss of jobs and lower wages. That is the | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
difference between us and the Conservatives. The final word, | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
Angie? Since being elected to Parliament two years ago, I have | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
talked a lot about my upbringing and the fact that I grew up on a council | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
estate and my mum could not read or write. The deprivation that I saw | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
when I was going up. I do not do it because I'm extraordinary, I do it | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
to show how ordinary I am. I do it to tell the British public about | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
what the National education service that Labour are producing will mean | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
to them. The sure start centres that Labour instigated in the last | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
government that allowed me to be a better parent enabled me to be a | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
good mum at 16. I'm proud of Labour's legacy and I'm hurt, and | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
other communities are hurt, by the devastation of the cuts and the | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
losses to that programme. The childcare, working for barely any | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
money as a woman to keep a foot on the ladder, the career ladder, | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
because we know if we leave our careers to go off we will not be | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
able to continue. That inequality grows in our country. Many working | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
families across the UK cannot afford the childcare in this country. Our | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
National education service and our announcement yesterday on the 30 | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
hours of free childcare for all two to four-year-olds and the investment | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
back into our sure start centres shows you that under Labour, | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
children like me, all children, adults across the UK, will get those | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
opportunities. I think that is what Britain is asking for, demanding, | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
and the Tories will tell you you can have it. Well, Britain. You can. | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
It's your judgment on junior eight. Vote Labour and the change. Thank | :44:40. | :44:46. | |
you. Passion and pragmatism in one leap. Thanks everybody. | :44:47. | :45:20. | |
The 2017 general election is upon us. Every day BBC Parliament will | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
have key speeches from the main players, awful and uncut, as | :45:30. | :45:30. |