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Each one of us as have the chance to say what kind of country we want to

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live in. At ten o'clock, the polling stations close after weeks, months

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and years of argument. We will have the answer to the question that has

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haunted British politics for so long, do we want to be in or out of

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the EU? There has been the usual round of main players casting their

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votes. David Cameron was out early in Westminster to cast his ballot.

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Other leading figures on both sides of the debate as well. There has not

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been, for many years, a choice that has aroused such passion, splitting

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families, dividing friends. This is a vote with a difference. No

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constituencies, no first past the post, every vote will count as equal

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as this country defines itself. Jeremy Vine is going to be watching

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for the first sign of a trend, one way or another. I'll be making my

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way along Downing Street, through the night, watching the votes pilot.

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Blue for leave, yellow for Remain. Could it be this close? Together, we

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will find out who is in the lead by the morning. They will be counted

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locally at 382 centres right across the United Kingdom and one in

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Gibraltar. We have reporters watching at some of the centre is

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likely to declare early. Babita Sharma is in Newcastle. Newcastle

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has been pipped to the post in general elections by local rivals

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Sunderland. Tonight, it is hoping to become the first area to declare a

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result in this historic referendum. They think, maybe, possibly, they

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will have a result here as early as midnight. We will be taking in the

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results announced locally and analysing them to build a picture of

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how the country voted and what the result is likely to be. John Curtice

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and his team have been working for months on how to interpret the early

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numbers to give us some clue to the answer. Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC

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political editor, is here to bring news from the two camps and to

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speculate on the look of the political world we will live in once

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the referendum is over. Above us, Emily Maitlis, with guests,

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defectors and the vanquished is and the vanquished. As the story

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unfolds, we will look at which parts of the campaign worked, which

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flopped, and if British politics will ever look the same again. The

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ballot box is open for just a few moments more, and the referendum

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night drama can begin. When Big Ben strikes ten in a

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general election, we released the exit poll to give the first

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indication of who has won. For the referendum, it is not going to be

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possible. Exit polls work, if they do, by comparing one election with

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another and measuring the change. It would be crazy to compare this

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referendum with the one held 41 years ago. So, patience is the

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watchword as we wait for the first actual declarations to come through.

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So, Big Ben has struck ten o'clock. We can now start trying to discover

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which side has carried the day come on the basis of the results that

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come in. Some of the polls are staying open because the weather has

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been so frightful in parts of Britain. If you are queueing up to

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vote, it stays open until you get the chance to vote. We have one bit

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of news from Gibraltar. It is one hour ahead, so their polls closed an

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hour ago. At the last general election, they have 71% turnout.

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This time, 84%, big turnout in Gibraltar. Enthusiasm for the vote.

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It is one of the things we have been looking for, how big the turnout is.

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The bigger the turnout, well, you will tell us? The expectation is

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that the bigger the turnout, the better it is for the In side. The

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assumption has been that the Out can have the enthusiasm, they have been

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racing to get to the polls, I have heard, anecdotally, stories of high

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turnout in almost every part of the country. Politicians have been

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really struck by that come anecdotes of a turnout of 70 or 80% in some

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places. The assumption that it helps the Remain side is just that, it is

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an assumption. Some politicians in the last couple of weeks have also

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said they have had voters in the kinds of parts of the country where

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people do not often bother to vote saying that this might motivate them

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for the first time. Nigel Farage said that his supporters were...

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What was it? They would crawl over broken glass. That's right. Anyway,

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the count is done in each area in the 382. It all comes together in

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the end, in one place. Jo Coburn is in Manchester Town Hall, where the

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Electoral Commission, as it is called, is overseeing the referendum

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with a very different procedure from a parliamentary election. Yes,

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David. You can hear the announcement is being made behind me. I'm at the

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command and control centre of the whole operation, here in the

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splendour of Manchester Town Hall. This is where the national result

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will be announced, on that podium just behind me over my shoulder.

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That is the announcement of some of the procedure that is going on this

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evening. Before the national result is announced, we will have other

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points to make you aware of. Things like the turnout, the critical

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turnout figure for the national picture, that will be made at some

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point through the night. We don't know exactly when. That will give us

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an idea of the tipping point on which side will have won, the 50,

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plus one, we are calling it, where it is mathematically impossible to

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catch the other. We have been told by the Electoral Commission that

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could be a decision by both campaigns to say, you can go ahead

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and announce the winner and the loser ahead of the official national

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result. There are other things going on as well. We will have the

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regional turnout figure for the North and we will have the result

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for that same region as well. Otherwise, through the evening, we

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will be seeing campaigners on both sides gathering here to see when

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they will be able to tell which way the land lies. The thing everybody

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has been asking me, I expect the same with you, Jeremy, when do we

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first get an inkling? What is the first result to watch for? People

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are so keen to see the way that the wind is blowing. What is going to be

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the moment, and how are we going to be able to tell what is happening?

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Well, join me here in Downing Street. We thought we should look at

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the door of Number 10 for a moment. It was the man behind that door that

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took the gamble on calling this referendum. David, yes, the sequence

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tonight is very important. Blue for Leave, yellow for Remain, we are

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going to build the votes up down Downing Street as they come in.

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Let's look at what we expect by way of timing. You peer down to the end

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of Downing Street, you can see the first votes appearing. None of them

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have been counted yet. We are putting them in, 50-50, to show what

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we are expecting. By midnight, we think Newcastle will be in first,

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head of Sunderland, probably voting to stay. That is by midnight. Now,

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after that, by 1am, we are expecting a rather interesting collection,

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Swindon, which is thought to be voting Out, if previous polls are

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anything to go by. Bury is 50-50, we should have that by that time of

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night. We will probably have Orkney as well. Then we move forward, 2am,

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we started here from London, places like barking, most of London is

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expected to vote Remain. Westminster and dealing by about 2am. By 3am,

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some of the big city results, the big numbers coming from the cities,

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the cities are very powerful because every vote is equal right around the

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country. By 3am, we think we will hear from Glasgow, Sheffield and

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Edinburgh. If it starts to be looking very tight around this time

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of night, 3am, 4am, that could favour Leave. It is thought that the

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later results will go that way. Let's see. Bye 4am, results are

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rushing in. We will have a torrent of places like Plymouth, Horsham,

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Solihull and the biggest, Birmingham, with 700,000 voters by

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4am. It is thought to be edging towards Leave, but it is too close

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to have any idea. We don't really know which way any of these are

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going, we are waiting for the first signs. By 5am, could it be this

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close? Liverpool and Manchester coming in. By six, if we don't know,

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we are waiting for Winchester and Leicester. If it is this tight by

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6am, we might get the result when waved me comes in last. Will it be

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that close? We will be building the votes up, blue for Leave, yellow for

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Remain. A night of great suspense. We have put them 50-50, but we don't

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know what will happen. We are joined by Nicky Morgan, the Education

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Secretary, from Westminster. We do not know anything, you obviously do,

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you are at the heart of this. What do you think is happening? Obviously

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we have a long night ahead. We are confident and hopeful that there

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will be a victory for the Remain campaign. We will have to see. I

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would agree from anecdotal evidence that there has been a high turnout,

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certainly in my own area. We think there was an 85% turnout of postal

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votes in the charm would cancel area. We will have to see how things

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transpire. Have you heard, as I have just heard, Nigel Farage has said

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that Remain might just edge it? Have you heard that? I have just been

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told that. We will see what happens. Certainly, from the campaigning I

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was doing, speaking to colleagues across the country, there was a lot

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of support for the Remain campaign, a lot of people contacting me in the

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last couple of days, constituents, saying they had made up their minds

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to decide to support the Remain campaign. This has obviously been a

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hard-fought contest, great passion on both sides, people are very

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committed to the arguments. Let's see what happens. I think,

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obviously, if Remain have won, we will be able to go back to our

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domestic agenda on Monday has a Government and get on with

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delivering other important manifesto commitments. Will that apply even if

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it is a very narrow victory for Remain? Or won't be -- the whole

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world have changed? If there is a clear win, that is sending a

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message. One of them is in limiting the reform deal that the Prime

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Minister secured back in February. The other thing we should not forget

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is that this Conservative Prime Minister has delivered an in-out

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referendum, something that was promised, only a year after the

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general election, it has been delivered, and now there are lots of

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other things to get on with. The campaign is over, you are a loyal

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supporter of the Prime Minister, what do you think of the tone of the

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campaign? Many people, on both sides, say it has been fought in a

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particularly vicious, rather bitter way that people didn't expect when

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it began? As I said just now, I think passions run high on both

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sides. People feel very strongly about this issue. Many people have

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been campaigning on one side or another for decades. You are going

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to expect that people are going to make their case with great

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conviction and not necessarily pull punches. I think we have made a

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positive campaign on the Remain side, a week ago I was launching the

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Women For The Main Campaign, setting out the views of women ministers in

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the Government across a range of areas, positive reasons to remain in

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the EU, and that is what we have been doing for the last few months.

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No doubt there have been some rather unpleasant sentiments expressed. The

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Nigel Farage poster, the leave.EU picture, when they tried to get

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tangled up in the dreadful events in Orlando. I don't think that has been

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very tasteful at all. People won't forget that, necessarily. It is

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important now that we see what the result is. As I say, then we have

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lots more reform in the EU, but also making sure that we can then deliver

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the domestic agenda we were elected on a year ago. We were watching the

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ballot boxes arriving in Sunderland, there is a battle going on between

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Sunderland and Newcastle. Some people say Sunderland is expected to

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vote Out, and they are not keen to get it counted too soon, because

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they depend on Nissan and other car companies that are likely to want to

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be inside the EU, but that is just a bit of mischief, really. They are

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rivals on the football field, so if Newcastle do win, there will be loud

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cheers in Newcastle and maybe Sunderland will not be too

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miserable. I have just heard from Nicky Morgan, one of the leading

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figures in the Leave campaign, Iain Duncan Smith, you heard what Nicky

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Morgan said, let me ask what you think has happened. People are

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watching your face, like they were watching her face. I hope they are

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not watching too hard, I have been around too long for them to be

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scared before we begin this process. We don't want you to be inscrutable?

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Having campaigned all this time, I'm very glad to find myself at the end

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of this, it has been pretty exhausting. I have been out all day,

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banging on doors, getting out the vote for Vote Leave. I genuinely

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don't have a sense. We are in uncharted territory. We have never

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have this kind of a referendum. Certainly most people's living

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memory, yes, in the early days when we first joined. It was different

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then, pretty much a foregone conclusion. This has been very

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tight. I was talking to Tom Watson, and we both said, we are in strange

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territory. Normally, we can be talking to constituencies, with

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constituency MPs and they will say how it is going in their areas.

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Here, every single vote counts for the first time. That is quite

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difficult. Nigel Farage seems to think he knows how it has gone? You

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roll your eyes? I never quite follow what he says, he often says two

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things at the same time. A couple of things I have picked up on today,

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one was that the turnout in council estates is very, very high. I have

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been in politics 24 years now. I don't think I will have seen

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turnouts like this in council estates. Turnout is high, I think,

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everywhere. Are you saying they will vote Leave?

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All I know is with a I got back from the council estates in Essex is they

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are up at 80%. You would would be lucky to get 30%-40% % In a general

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election? We don't know where we are. That makes it difficult call.

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People who don't normally vote are certainly voting. I'm saying, it's

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been hard-fought. It's been in many senses great fun. It's been if

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difficult much we will have to wait a bit and see what the results are.

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What about the tone of the campaign which, for the Tory party, for

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instance, people have endlessly said, it got out of hand. Do you

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think it got out of hand? Look, this is... There really doesn't get a

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bigger question than this which is, who governs you. That's just so big

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you're bound to end up families will be split, parties will split, you

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know, on both sides... You insulting the Chancellor of the Exchequer? You

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know. You see his nose growing longer. I was thanked by cartoonists

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for that comment. I don't know how I thought of that. It's the insult we

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didn't expect. Lies, lies... There has been a bit of that. Passions are

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high. I don't make bones about it. When are you dealing with an issue

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as big as this, that matters as much as this. Nothing matters more,

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really at the end of the day, it boils down to govern you. When it's

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like that it gets really tense. You know, as well as I, do tensions in

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parties are much more difficult to contain when there are differences

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than they are between parties. Between parties it's quite standard,

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you know, Conservative versus Labour, Liberal Democrats you know

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what they are going to do. Once a party loses their cohesion for a

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period, because they are in difficult sides, families break

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apart for things like this for a while and take chunks out of each

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other. But they will come back - The Tory party has been torn apart - The

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Conservative Party has an instinct ultimately I sense when the argument

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is over they will want to be back. We are in Government. We have to get

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on with Government whatever happens. As Churchill once said, when asked

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by a young MP who arrived in after the war he said, wonderful Mr

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Churchill on the other side are the enemy and all around are our

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friends. He said, no, no, on the other side are the Opposition all

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around you are the enemy much you know that as well as I do. People

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disagree in parties more passionately than with parties on

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the other side. If it's a narrow victory for Remain, there will be a

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price the Prime Minister has to pay? For instance, the Chancellor of the

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Exchequer has been particularly insulted, reviled by people on your

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side for his Budget, punishment Budget, he was going to have. Will a

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head roll and it might be his to bring people like you, I'm not

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saying you are going back into Government, to bring the party back

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together? I don't make a presuggestions on this one. I have

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been very clear about the Prime Minister. I said that whatever

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happens the Prime Minister has a mandate. We want him to continue.

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Clearly, he has to make decisions about who governs with him and who

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doesn't. That is his decision, either Remain or Leave there. Are

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lots of disagreements. Fundamentally disagreed with the Chancellor's

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position with regards to the Emergency Budget. Lots of us did.

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You know, that may well be gone. That's the end of it, really. You

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will stick around for a bit, aren't you? If you would like me to stick

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around. I would like you to. You are the only person we have here at the

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moment. On that very high ticket I will stick around. Within an hour we

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might have something more substantial to talk about. Thank you

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very much, Iain Duncan We are going Smith. Over to Brussels to our

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Europe editor, Katya Adler. Can Katya, good evening. We know

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Brussels have been watching this all very, very closely. What's the mood

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there tonight? Are they all, sort of, watching the telly and trying to

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interpret what's happened? Oh, yes. Of course, this was a referendum

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held in Britain, whether the UK stays in or leaves the EU that has

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huge implications for the rest of Europe. So this is being watched

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very closely, not just here in Brussels, but in Warsaw, Paris,

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Berlin, across Europe. Also across Europe today, town halls flew the

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Union flag in a sign of solidarity. There are plenty of Europeans who

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looked at the referendum today in the UK with a big dose of envy. They

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share a lot of those criticisms of the EU that were highlighted by the

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Leave campaign. So their worried leaders have talked about reform.

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Our referendum is seen as a warning that the EU in its current form

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isn't working and it needs to change. You but the big question in

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Europe tonight is - can leaders push for reform in the EU alongside

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Britain? If it votes to Remain. Or will tomb the start of more awkward,

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rusty relations if the UK chooses to leave? I don't want to be a sceptic

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about it. Hasn't the EU said it has to work to change, be more

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democratic, more open open, got to do this and does that and very

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rarely does anything? Yes, got to be closer to the people. I have been

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following European politician for a long time thech have constantly said

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it and never managed it. What is different now, in all the years I've

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been watching politics. I started in 1996, I have never felt the mood in

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Europe be more eurosceptic. If you you look across Europe, on the whole

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that means they want the EU to change. They are not necessarily

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calling for it to leave. Their leaders are worried. They are

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looking over their shoulders at increasingly influential

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eurosceptic, more nationalist minded parties. They know they need to do

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something. There is a push for reform from the countries of Europe.

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The 27 countries, apart from the UK. They say that whether or not the UK

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remains in the EU, they will be pushing for change, but we do know

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Brussels, change can take some time. Thank you very much, Katya. We will

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be back with you later on when we get... Well, some results in, I

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should say. Thank you for joining us. There is news, several

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Conservative Vote Leave MPs have this evening sent a letter to David

:22:32.:22:36.

Cameron saying he has, "a duty to stay on regardless of the outcome of

:22:37.:22:42.

the referendum" signatures include Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. Do

:22:43.:22:45.

they include Iain Duncan Smith? I wassen asked to sign the letter. I

:22:46.:22:49.

have been public all along to say he has a duty to stay. These are all

:22:50.:22:53.

Cabinet Ministers? I'm not in Government any longer. I assume that

:22:54.:23:01.

is why I wasn't asked. It tells you there is a significant chunk of Out

:23:02.:23:06.

Conservative MPs who feel passionate natly about this who want it get on

:23:07.:23:09.

with it after the result, whatever way it goes. It tells you that

:23:10.:23:12.

people who are loyal to the Prime Minister are worried enough about

:23:13.:23:15.

the outcome that they have felt the need, very strongly, to put in place

:23:16.:23:19.

a, sort of, scaffolding around him to try to protect him, whether or

:23:20.:23:24.

not it's an Out vote, even if it's a very close Remain. That bad feeling

:23:25.:23:30.

you discussed with Ian during this campaign among Conservative MPs has

:23:31.:23:32.

damaged the Prime Minister's reputation in the party as well as

:23:33.:23:36.

the Chancellor's. We can go to Newcastle and see if we are near

:23:37.:23:43.

getting this first result in. Well, we have had pretty dramatic scenes

:23:44.:23:46.

here within the last 15 minutes or so. There are several ballot boxes

:23:47.:23:52.

who have arrived in the hall here. The first one came in a few minutes

:23:53.:23:57.

after the polls closed here at 10.00pm. Fascinating to see the

:23:58.:24:00.

system they have got in place here in Newcastle. What they want to do

:24:01.:24:06.

is two things tonight. They want to beat their longstanding rivals,

:24:07.:24:08.

Sunderland, to declare a result before them. They also want to be

:24:09.:24:14.

the first area in this historic referendum to declare a result. Now,

:24:15.:24:18.

what they've got is a system of runners. Students, around 30 of

:24:19.:24:24.

them, getting in the boxes from the drivers in the car park, running

:24:25.:24:28.

them in, into the tables that you can see here. Their aim is to make

:24:29.:24:33.

sure that not a single table you can see is without counting taking

:24:34.:24:38.

place. There are 129 polling stations in the city of Newcastle.

:24:39.:24:44.

That means 129 ballot boxes need to make their way here. From what we've

:24:45.:24:52.

been hearing from the delivery, counting can take between 20 and 25

:24:53.:24:56.

minutes. Some people here are particularly optimistic that they

:24:57.:25:01.

may be able to get a result by 11.30pm tonight. Others, a bit more

:25:02.:25:07.

cautiously optimistic, saying midnight. It's interesting to note

:25:08.:25:11.

that, whatever happens here, in terms of the timing, 11.30pm,

:25:12.:25:19.

midnight, 12. 30am it's about voter turnout, that equates to more ballot

:25:20.:25:23.

papers. From what we have been hearing the turnout has been hide.

:25:24.:25:27.

In the region 68% to 70%. It could be higher than that. Newcastle is

:25:28.:25:33.

one of the 30 areas in the UK where the Remain camp are expected to do

:25:34.:25:39.

particularly well. This city has benefitted from EU investment to the

:25:40.:25:44.

tune of ?90 million within the last seven years or so. For a lot of

:25:45.:25:49.

people we have been speaking to it's very much about the economy and job

:25:50.:25:52.

creation in the city that they want to make sure it's secure, whatever

:25:53.:25:58.

the result is tonight. Like I say, the activity continues to flow here

:25:59.:26:05.

in the hall. Yeah, we think, if we're optimistic, possibly, let us

:26:06.:26:11.

hedge our bets, ahead of Sunderland 11.45pm. Thank you very much. It

:26:12.:26:14.

will be important. It will be the first thing we can chew over. Emily

:26:15.:26:18.

has with her two people who are already prepared to say something

:26:19.:26:23.

about all of We will talk about the markets. Their reaction to what they

:26:24.:26:26.

think is happening overnight. First, we will talk to our polling God

:26:27.:26:32.

here, John Curtis. David mentioned there is no exit poll. Explain to us

:26:33.:26:37.

why not. We have what we might call a last on the day poll from YouGov?

:26:38.:26:42.

There isn't ant exit poll. A poll where people have been asked outside

:26:43.:26:44.

the polling station what they have done. YouGov have done what they did

:26:45.:26:48.

at the time of the Scottish independence referendum and last

:26:49.:26:51.

year's general election which is to get hold of people who they have

:26:52.:26:54.

been interviewing during the campaign and ask them - what have

:26:55.:26:57.

you done? On the basis of that YouGov are saying that Remain have

:26:58.:27:02.

got 52% of the vote and Leave have got 48% of the vote. This is the

:27:03.:27:07.

first bit of public intelligence we have about the outcome of this

:27:08.:27:10.

referendum. I'm sorry there isn't an exit poll. As David already

:27:11.:27:15.

explained, methodology of that, which got it right, YouGov's poll

:27:16.:27:20.

didn't get it right last year, that relies on us being able to compare

:27:21.:27:23.

the results this time withlet results last time. Of course, there

:27:24.:27:26.

is no last time. It's, therefore, much more difficult to do. Kamal

:27:27.:27:30.

Ahmed is here, our economics editor, on the strength partly of this and

:27:31.:27:34.

partly what they think has been the sentiment of the week we have seen a

:27:35.:27:38.

strong pound Absolutely. If the markets were deciding this

:27:39.:27:41.

referendum they would already have called it for Remain. The pound is

:27:42.:27:48.

absolutely surging on the markets post-10.00pm post that poll that put

:27:49.:27:52.

Remain ahead. Nearly 150 to the dollar. That's a record high for

:27:53.:27:59.

this year. The pound has had its strongest week, one of its strongest

:28:00.:28:05.

weeks, for nearly 30 years. Clearly, investors think, from the evidence

:28:06.:28:09.

they are seeing from the polls. We think some hedge funds have taking

:28:10.:28:13.

their private polling, and looked at that. They think Remain has had a

:28:14.:28:18.

good day. They know not a lot more than we know here. Certainly in

:28:19.:28:24.

terms. Data there, the FTSE 100, the shares on the FTSE 100 have had a

:28:25.:28:28.

strong day on the markets. Certainly, the signals are that

:28:29.:28:33.

remain has won. Markets aren't political, particularly. They are

:28:34.:28:36.

not saying Remain has won, that is very, very good news. All they mean

:28:37.:28:39.

is, therefore, the uncertainty of what Leave could have brought, they

:28:40.:28:44.

#3w4r50e6d, won't now happen. So, therefore, we can start focussing on

:28:45.:28:48.

the other type of issues, the other problems that Europe has, but one of

:28:49.:28:51.

them won't be that Britain has actually left. John, in terms of

:28:52.:28:58.

early indicators, some are saying Gibraltar is the new Sunderland.

:28:59.:29:03.

When you look at that narrow gap from YouGov, what does that suggest

:29:04.:29:08.

to you are the factors at play there? Gibraltar we expect to vote

:29:09.:29:15.

for Remain. The turnout at 84% is extraordinary high. Gibraltar the

:29:16.:29:23.

implications of the UK leaving with its relation with Spain is

:29:24.:29:26.

fundamental. Newcastle and Sunderland are different. Newcastle

:29:27.:29:31.

has substantial university, plenty of graduates living there. That is

:29:32.:29:34.

the place where we expect Remain to do relatively well. In contrast,

:29:35.:29:40.

Sunderland, much more working-class. Smaller university community. That

:29:41.:29:44.

is somewhere where we would expect leave Leave not to do #w8, but

:29:45.:29:48.

relatively well. If the Remain side were to win in Sunderland that would

:29:49.:29:53.

be good news for them. That would be an indication that, perhaps, indeed

:29:54.:29:58.

we have voted to remain. The truth is, even if the 52-48 from YouGov is

:29:59.:30:05.

right. The Leave side might narrowly lead in Sunderland. We have had

:30:06.:30:09.

different weather in the north and south of the country, we wonder

:30:10.:30:16.

whether that will have played out? Back to David.

:30:17.:30:22.

We are so wet here, we thought people wouldn't turn up, we thought

:30:23.:30:27.

I might do the broadcast on my own. You will see it when we go to

:30:28.:30:34.

Broadcasting House, this is the facade of Broadcasting House in

:30:35.:30:37.

London. All Saints Church on the right, this famous building, home to

:30:38.:30:41.

the BBC, from which the voice of the BBC has gone out across the world

:30:42.:30:47.

for scores of years. Tonight, there will go the figures. You will see

:30:48.:30:50.

the scoreboard that tells us Britain's future. Passers-by on the

:30:51.:30:56.

street, that are not watching the television or listening to the

:30:57.:30:59.

radio, will be able to see what has happened. So, we will have more back

:31:00.:31:10.

here, but let's just first of all have, as important, as always, a

:31:11.:31:15.

round of the news. Counting has begun of millions

:31:16.:31:18.

of votes cast across the UK A record 46 million people

:31:19.:31:25.

were entitled to vote on whether to Remain In or to Leave

:31:26.:31:28.

the European Union. The first results are likely to be

:31:29.:31:31.

announced in the early hours of tomorrow morning,

:31:32.:31:34.

with the final outcome expected In the south-east flooding,

:31:35.:31:36.

caused by heavy rain, led to several polling stations

:31:37.:31:39.

having to be relocated. Here's our political

:31:40.:31:41.

correspondent, Iain Watson. This report contains some flashing

:31:42.:31:46.

images. After an intense four

:31:47.:31:49.

month long campaign, it was perhaps hardly surprising

:31:50.:31:51.

that David Cameron and his wife, Samantha, were keen to vote not long

:31:52.:31:54.

after the polls opened this morning. Tonight, some Conservative MPs have

:31:55.:32:06.

sent a letter of support, urging him to stay on, no matter what the

:32:07.:32:11.

result. Boris Johnson was amongst the last to vote to Leave, declaring

:32:12.:32:20.

that democracy has been served. He was also a signatory to the letter

:32:21.:32:23.

urging David Cameron to stay in post.

:32:24.:32:24.

The last referendum on EU membership was four decades ago, in 1975,

:32:25.:32:27.

some voters will remember it well, others were having their say

:32:28.:32:30.

And, yes, that even includes Nigel Farage, he's made this

:32:31.:32:33.

referendum the mission of his entire political career.

:32:34.:32:36.

I've wanted this vote, you know, all my adult life.

:32:37.:32:42.

It is now reported he thinks Remain might have the edge.

:32:43.:32:47.

The SNP had warned that Brexit could lead to another referendum

:32:48.:32:50.

on Scottish independence, but in Glasgow the party's pro-EU

:32:51.:32:52.

leader, Nicola Sturgeon, voted to Remain and sounded

:32:53.:32:54.

The Electoral Commission said voting had been busy and brisk and some

:32:55.:33:01.

voters had to demonstrate greater determination than the politicians

:33:02.:33:03.

Some refused to be put off by a little bit of rain,

:33:04.:33:10.

but one polling station, in south-West London,

:33:11.:33:12.

In this referendum, every vote counted.

:33:13.:33:17.

There were no marginal contituencies, so decisions taken

:33:18.:33:22.

by each of us, in polling stations like this up-and-down the country,

:33:23.:33:25.

will now reverberate, not just at Westminster,

:33:26.:33:28.

not just in Brussels, but in major capitals

:33:29.:33:29.

The official UK-wide result will be delivered here, in Manchester,

:33:30.:33:36.

It could of course be close, but what would happen

:33:37.:33:42.

If it's a dead heat, then it's a dead heat.

:33:43.:33:46.

It's an advisory referendum and that's what I would declare.

:33:47.:33:51.

Whatever the voters' verdict, this referendum will have

:33:52.:33:53.

It's not clear yet whether there'll be an outpouring of peace and love

:33:54.:33:59.

between former opponents or whether divisions

:34:00.:34:00.

The pound has risen to its highest level this year against the dollar

:34:01.:34:17.

and is on track for one of the strongest weekly performances for

:34:18.:34:23.

many years. When the New York stock exchange closed, it was trading at

:34:24.:34:24.

just over $1. A man has been jailed for life

:34:25.:34:30.

for plotting a beheading on the streets of London,

:34:31.:34:33.

inspired by so-called Islamic State, which could have

:34:34.:34:35.

targetted a poppy seller. 23-year-old Nadir Syed

:34:36.:34:37.

was arrested in November 2014, One of the world's longest running

:34:38.:34:39.

civil wars, in Colombia, has been brought to an end

:34:40.:34:48.

after more than 50 The so-called FARC rebels have

:34:49.:34:51.

signed a deal to lay down their arms following three

:34:52.:34:55.

years of negotiations. More than 200,000 people were killed

:34:56.:34:57.

during the conflict. As we've been hearing,

:34:58.:35:05.

storms and heavy rain have caused serious flooding in parts of London

:35:06.:35:07.

and in south-east England. Several commuter and Underground

:35:08.:35:10.

lines in the capital suffered There were more problems this

:35:11.:35:12.

evening as commuters tried to get Players from the three

:35:13.:35:17.

Home Nations who've made it through to the knockout stages

:35:18.:35:23.

of Euro 2016 - England, Wales and Northern Ireland -

:35:24.:35:25.

have been speaking of their hopes. England face Iceland

:35:26.:35:29.

on Monday, but it's Wales and Northern Ireland that are first,

:35:30.:35:32.

going head-to-head on Saturday. Our sports correspondent,

:35:33.:35:34.

Olly Foster, reports. Between them, they've been waiting

:35:35.:35:38.

88 years to see their teams play on the big stage,

:35:39.:35:44.

win or lose, the fans have been The Wales and Northern Ireland

:35:45.:35:47.

players have given their all and been rewarded -

:35:48.:35:51.

a match against each other, The atmosphere we'll be tremendous,

:35:52.:35:53.

as good as maybe any You know, our fans have been

:35:54.:36:03.

terrific. You've seen what we've all seen,

:36:04.:36:06.

you know, how good they've been And the Welsh fans will be

:36:07.:36:09.

very, very similar. Northern Ireland found out that

:36:10.:36:15.

they'll be playing Wales after this result last night,

:36:16.:36:17.

the Republic of Ireland's late winner against Italy that

:36:18.:36:20.

saw them go through. Their fans' unwavering support has

:36:21.:36:23.

been a tournament highlight. National pride is certainly

:36:24.:36:26.

something that will be driving on the Welsh as they get ready

:36:27.:36:28.

for the Northern Irish. All happy to be playing for Wales

:36:29.:36:31.

and honouring the nation, trying to do everybody proud and,

:36:32.:36:38.

for us, that's, I suppose, the biggest responsibility we've got

:36:39.:36:43.

is to make our country proud of us That match in Paris on Saturday

:36:44.:36:46.

of course guarantees that there's going to be a Home Nation

:36:47.:36:51.

in the quarter-finals. Here at their training camp

:36:52.:36:54.

in Chantilly, England should be feeling much happier

:36:55.:36:57.

about their chances That's because they're facing

:36:58.:36:58.

Iceland, the lowest-ranked With a population the size

:36:59.:37:04.

of Leicester, this is how the commentator on national

:37:05.:37:09.

television described their injury-time winner

:37:10.:37:11.

against Austria. England's job will be

:37:12.:37:16.

to keep him quiet. They've done well so far,

:37:17.:37:21.

but we know it's going to be a tough It's important we play with a real

:37:22.:37:26.

high-tempo and make them work, try and tire them out and then take

:37:27.:37:35.

the chances when they come. We have to be ruthless and try

:37:36.:37:38.

and punish them them England's punishment for finishing

:37:39.:37:41.

behind Wales in their Group is a path towards the final,

:37:42.:37:47.

fraught with danger. European giants lie in wait

:37:48.:37:49.

beyond the next round. The trouble is, Iceland

:37:50.:37:53.

won't be scared either. Olly Foster, BBC News,

:37:54.:37:57.

Chantilly. I'll be back with more updates

:37:58.:38:02.

throughout the night. And now the waiting -

:38:03.:38:05.

to find out if London is in favour of remaining

:38:06.:38:33.

in the European Union or leaving. Let's cross now to our political

:38:34.:38:36.

editor, Tim Donovan, who is at Guildhall where the result

:38:37.:38:38.

will be declared sometime There is a' the hope and intention.

:38:39.:38:48.

No counting going on heemplt the counting is going on in the 33

:38:49.:38:54.

London boroughs. The votes currently being taken to those locations, from

:38:55.:39:01.

3,800 polling stations. Speculation that the weather may affect the

:39:02.:39:06.

delivery of those votes but, on the other hand, the reports are turnout,

:39:07.:39:11.

anecdotally, anyway, has been high and London could have, as we know,

:39:12.:39:16.

an important impact with 5 million voters. It's mayor, new mayor, Sadiq

:39:17.:39:23.

Khan voted earlier this morning. No secret about the way he was going.

:39:24.:39:27.

He has been very vocal in calling for London and the UK to remain.

:39:28.:39:34.

It is the most important vote of my generation.

:39:35.:39:37.

The European Union, imperfect as the European Union is,

:39:38.:39:41.

it is crucial for jobs, for trade, for investment, for low prices and

:39:42.:39:44.

if we have decided to leave, then we've left for good.

:39:45.:39:48.

So each of the boroughs will do its own counting. Relate result here. So

:39:49.:39:55.

we will get results of boroughs through the night. It is thought

:39:56.:39:59.

Wandsworth may be the first one, around 12.30. The City of London,

:40:00.:40:03.

where we are here, could follow soon after. But the realistic expectation

:40:04.:40:10.

is you won't get London-wide declaration until at least 5.00am

:40:11.:40:15.

and we know recent experience shows us, doesn't it, Riz, that things

:40:16.:40:18.

don't always go smoothly in the capital.

:40:19.:40:18.

It certainly does. Commuters had a difficult journey

:40:19.:40:23.

home tonight after flash flooding brought widespread disruption

:40:24.:40:26.

to parts of the capital. A month's worth of rain fell in just

:40:27.:40:28.

a couple of hours overnight. This was the scene at Waterloo

:40:29.:40:30.

earlier this evening. the transport network.

:40:31.:40:33.

and cancellations across Fire crews battled throughout

:40:34.:40:43.

the day to pump out water Most of the water's gone

:40:44.:40:45.

but the mess remains, hours Didn't really understand

:40:46.:40:54.

what was going on. I thought I was in a dream

:40:55.:41:06.

and then realised I wasn't. It was a morning of cleaning up

:41:07.:41:13.

the best they could. Dozens of homes here finding

:41:14.:41:15.

themselves under a foot of water Liz Owen managed to rescue

:41:16.:41:17.

lots of her valuables. Sewage was coming

:41:18.:41:27.

out of the toilets. We're just trying to make plans

:41:28.:41:36.

to pack up what we can and find some This basement flat around

:41:37.:41:44.

the corner faired no better. We were in about this

:41:45.:41:50.

much worth of water. We are all basements,

:41:51.:41:52.

so it was everywhere. All in the bottom of our drawers,

:41:53.:41:58.

all in the bottom of the wardrobes. He was floating around

:41:59.:42:01.

like he was in an arc. Outside was the worst and you know,

:42:02.:42:06.

it was at least a foot, The flooding also caused roads to be

:42:07.:42:13.

shut in Battersea but out in Romford 60 homes were flood

:42:14.:42:18.

when the River Rom burst its banks and in Canning Town,

:42:19.:42:20.

the DLR station was shut And on referendum day,

:42:21.:42:23.

Kingston upon Thames one of the boroughs that had to move

:42:24.:42:27.

polling stations Commuters, too, have faced

:42:28.:42:30.

difficult journeys with tube We have been successful in

:42:31.:42:35.

progressively opening more railway The rain is forecast to stop this

:42:36.:42:41.

evening and we have more people out this evening and throughout

:42:42.:42:46.

the night to improve the resilience of the network,

:42:47.:42:49.

so we can deliver the best service we can this evening

:42:50.:42:52.

but I would advise people The Fire Brigade said it dealt

:42:53.:42:55.

with more than 500 calls in just They've spent the day cleaning

:42:56.:43:00.

up across the capital. The world's longest

:43:01.:43:07.

and tallest tunnel slide opens The Orbit slide, on the Queen

:43:08.:43:09.

Elizabeth Olympic Park, is not As our reporter Marc Ashdown

:43:10.:43:15.

found out. Welcome to the top

:43:16.:43:20.

of the Orbital Tower. We're 76m above street level

:43:21.:43:24.

and you can see Now from tomorrow, getting down

:43:25.:43:26.

from here is going to be A 40 second descent,

:43:27.:43:34.

at speeds of a 15 miles per hour. A little wit woozy,

:43:35.:43:41.

a little wit woozy. Well, that pleasurable experience

:43:42.:43:55.

will set you back ?15. Well, you can judge

:43:56.:43:57.

for yourself from tomorrow. Well, after today,

:43:58.:44:05.

let's get the latest Certainly a roller coaster wlth over

:44:06.:44:16.

the past day. The vicious thunderstorms that caused the

:44:17.:44:19.

problems problems a fading and tomorrow a decent day. It won't be

:44:20.:44:23.

as humid. Quite humid and muggy tonight. A another difficult night

:44:24.:44:30.

for sleeping. Not as warm as last night, dropping down to 15 by dawn.

:44:31.:44:35.

Tomorrow, decent day, dry, bright sunny spells and it won't be that

:44:36.:44:41.

humid A few showers during the day, maybe. In the sunshine feeling warm,

:44:42.:44:47.

22, 23. One or two showers possible in the evening but most places

:44:48.:44:50.

staying dry overnight. A fine start to the weekend. There will be

:44:51.:44:55.

showers on Saturday. Sunday looks dry and hopefully Monday dry, too,

:44:56.:44:57.

the start of Wimbledon. That's all from the London

:44:58.:45:01.

team this evening. Tom Watson has joined us. Good

:45:02.:45:31.

evening. Do you know something we don't know? No. Ian was saying he

:45:32.:45:47.

has seen an 80% turnout on council estates. The Leave campaign are

:45:48.:45:53.

hoping it is the Brexit vote coming out. Do you think it was a likely

:45:54.:45:57.

interpretation? I don't know how anybody can say that. All around the

:45:58.:46:06.

country, our teams say there has been a good turnout. During the

:46:07.:46:10.

campaign, you were quite critical in a polite, famously gentle and polite

:46:11.:46:17.

way, about the way Labour was perceived by the voters. We have to

:46:18.:46:23.

redouble our efforts, you said. What was the problem?

:46:24.:46:28.

It was certainly in the mid part of the campaign. I think we have

:46:29.:46:33.

improved on that in the last sort of 10 days of the campaign. We just had

:46:34.:46:37.

very difficult... It was difficult for us to get air time. When you

:46:38.:46:44.

have these kind of big figures and the Government slugging it out it

:46:45.:46:47.

was difficult to get our message over. We took an early decision we

:46:48.:46:52.

wanted a separate Labour In campaign because we thought we had things we

:46:53.:46:55.

had to say that David Cameron couldn't or wouldn't say,

:46:56.:46:58.

particularly about, woers' rights, particularly about the kind of

:46:59.:47:01.

social Europe, a workers Europe we wanted to see in the future. Your

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leader, Jeremy Corbyn, famously said, when asked, on a scale of one

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to ten, are in in favour of the EU he said seven-and-a-half? He did.

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Not a great battle cry for the Labour Party? He said it in

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fantastic style in a white fur coat as well. It deeply impressed me,

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David. What I think it showed was. He is in touch with with where the

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British people are. He consistently said he wanted us to remain in the

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European Union but reform the European Union. You know, he sees it

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as an imperfect institution that needs reform. You can only do that

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if you're around the negotiating table. On one of the key issues,

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immigration, you will remember he was asked whether there was any

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upper limit, he said no. You feel that, actually, Labour should focus

:47:49.:47:52.

on the levels of immigration if it's to keep the support of party

:47:53.:47:56.

members? We certainly both agree we needed to look at at the impact of

:47:57.:48:01.

the rules across the EU on the other hand how that lites labour markets.

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We did try in the campaign to get positive suggestions over. We think

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there are things you can do now. We wanted to reinstate the Migrant

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Impact Fund. It helps communities dealing with migrants with school

:48:16.:48:19.

provision and GP provision. We also think the Government could end this

:48:20.:48:23.

unscrupulous practice of some employers advertising jobs in the UK

:48:24.:48:28.

abroad but not in the UK. It's manifestly unfair. Do you think that

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Labour supporters will divide 50/50 on this issue of whether to stay in

:48:36.:48:39.

or out? I think we - we will ask Iain Duncan Smith, he's here. A lot

:48:40.:48:43.

of people on the Brexit side will be saying that those are the people who

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are going to vote for Leave? I simply don't know. I can only go on

:48:48.:48:51.

what the recent polls say. Of course, we shouldn't believe that

:48:52.:48:55.

anything we read in the polls these days. It certainly seemed to me

:48:56.:49:00.

about 68% of Labour supporters were voting to Remain. If that turns out

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to be the case it will show that more of our supporters supported our

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position than any other political party much I don't think we can tell

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that either. Do you agree with that Iain? I haven't seen any real

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figures about it. You were talking about 80% turnout in council estates

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and thinking that was going to benefit the Leave side? I wasn't

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making a pregeneral election. The high turnout in the housing estates

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suggests something peculiar. Something has engaged them and they

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want to turn out. There have been big issues in the campaign which

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have a lot of the debate centred around what has been the impact of

:49:35.:49:39.

uncontrolled migration from the European Union on low skilled

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workers and some of the Bank of England staff made it very clear

:49:43.:49:46.

that has pushed wages down. This has posed a big challenge for Labour,

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Tom will be the first to accept admit this, in various areas,

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particularly around northern England, there has been an issue

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about this and the east of England where they feel nobody has been

:49:57.:50:00.

talking to them. That is the big debate on theest states they say -

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no-one bothers with us and we have a real When we get problem. Our first

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result in, what we and you will be looking for is some indication of

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what it means. Now, we've tried to work out a way of assembling these

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382, we have to call them, they are actually local authorities, where

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the count is done, these counting centres, 382 of them. We have worked

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out a way... Well, Jeremy and John Curtice have, of trying to measure,

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when you get the first result or second result in, what does it

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actually mean. You have to watch quite carefully. It's complicated

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but it makes very good sense. I think it did when I saw it. Let me

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show you our counting index. He we will come back to it again and

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again. 382 county areas. On the wall here they are in alphabetical order.

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They are in size is crucial here. The bars size denotes the number of

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people in that counting area. For example, over here, Northern

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Ireland, for our purposes counting as one area, the longest bar. A tiny

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one just there, a small bar. We have put 50/50, blue for leave, yellow

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for remain, we have no results in. It's a way of showing you the

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counting areas laid out in an index. We can go one better. Let me show

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you what happens if I order them, based on the analysis we've done

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from most Leave to most Remain. Right over here, the counting areas

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that we think are most likely to vote Leave, based on an analysis of

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how many pensioners who are likely to vote Out, how many graduates

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likely to vote In and other factors. Right at the far end you can see how

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many there are, 382, the most likely to vote Remain. As results come in,

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we will see where the counting area is on this index. We will be able to

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say - that's maybe not what we expected. It's a surprise or perhaps

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the Leave vote is stronger than we thought, etc lechlt me focus a bit

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for you and show one end of this index. We flashed the 40. The most

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Leave areas. I will show you on the map. You can see where they are

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gathered. A lot in the east of England, Thames gateway, etc. I will

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name them for you. The most Leave area, according to our analysis, in

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the country, the place most likely to vote Out is Boston in

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Lincolnshire. Crucial to us are one or two areas that are coming in

:52:30.:52:34.

early. Which might give us an early sign. Castle Point, for example, on

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the far end of euroscepticism. Also, let's have a look, one other we are

:52:41.:52:50.

being looking for Basildon. We will put the colours in proportionately

:52:51.:52:55.

according to the vote. The winning colour will be on the top. Worth

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watching out for Basildon and Castlepoint to see whether the Leave

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vote is as strong in the areas as we expect I will take you to the Remain

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end. We will look at the 40 here. We talked a lot about Newcastle coming

:53:11.:53:13.

in first and so on. That's far off to this end on Remain much I will

:53:14.:53:17.

show you where. This will be a result to watch for. Here are the

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Remains. Wandsworth here, thought to be early, before 1.00am much we will

:53:27.:53:31.

watch for Wandsworth. On the far end of Remain, the most euro

:53:32.:53:38.

enthusiastic Remain, Gibraltar. You can guess them, the student profile,

:53:39.:53:45.

academics voting to stay in In. City of London expected early. 7,000

:53:46.:53:49.

voters there in the Square Mile of the City of London. Newcastle, which

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we think will be first, it's in the Remain end. The 40 areas we think

:53:54.:53:57.

most likely to vote Remain. The significance of that. If the Leave

:53:58.:54:01.

vote is strong in Newcastle, you might start to think something is

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up. I will take you baccalaureate to our index. We have the colours now

:54:07.:54:10.

because we have no results. When the results come in I grey them out. We

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will see whether this index can give us an early sense of the drift of

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the results, David. Thank you, Jeremy. Tom Watson and Iain Duncan

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Smith are slow on the takeup on this one! No, I worked it out. Oh, you

:54:30.:54:33.

worked it out, did you? They were looking at it saying - I said, do

:54:34.:54:38.

you understand it? Oh, I don't know. Jeremy, perhaps just one thing to

:54:39.:54:43.

clarify. Blue is Out, yellow is Remain. Yes. How have you worked out

:54:44.:54:52.

the likeliest to be exit and the likest to be Remain. What are the

:54:53.:54:55.

assumptions you made and maybe they will understand it. Half a dozen

:54:56.:54:59.

factors. Things like the greater number of pensioners in an area, the

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more likely it is to vote Out. More senior citizens tend to vote Out.

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Got it. Not looking at you there, Iain. Got it. The more graduates in

:55:10.:55:14.

an area, the more likely it is to vote In. You look at the number of

:55:15.:55:20.

ethnic minority voters in an area. You look at Ukip support in the last

:55:21.:55:25.

elections. We have half a dozen, put them together - Tom is looking

:55:26.:55:28.

doubtful here - He's getting it. Slowly. What will be interesting, we

:55:29.:55:33.

could have a situation where the eskwens is correct it moves one way

:55:34.:55:40.

or the another. Later on we will show you the middle 40. That is

:55:41.:55:45.

where the action will be. We expect those to go 50/50 in the event of a

:55:46.:55:48.

split result across the country. That is the place you look for - A

:55:49.:55:53.

little bit more detail, do you think. He wants it in more detail.

:55:54.:56:01.

4.00am! What we could say simply. It's like a litmus test of each

:56:02.:56:07.

result. Do you know what a litmus test is? Yes, of course I do. To

:56:08.:56:15.

take a crazy example. We said Boston comes out for Remain, very early on,

:56:16.:56:21.

Laura will be all over that. Saying, my goodness this is extraordinary

:56:22.:56:24.

much you will get a sense, I think, of what the results mean. Right.

:56:25.:56:30.

Well, while we absorb all that, let us go

:56:31.:56:43.

to Sunderland. We were told Sunderland didn't want to come first

:56:44.:56:50.

they didn't want to upset Nissan. They are not counting quite as fast

:56:51.:56:55.

as Newcastle, true? Well, I tell you what, well, I tell you what, I'm

:56:56.:56:59.

looking at those counting here and we've been talking to some of the

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count being officers. They are employing bank tellers who are

:57:03.:57:05.

really experienced at counting money really, really quickly. They are

:57:06.:57:09.

frantically counting. I don't know if those who are counting want to

:57:10.:57:12.

delay the result for Newcastle, I can't comment on that at all. What I

:57:13.:57:17.

can tell you is that so far we understand that Sunderland has

:57:18.:57:22.

around 207,000 people on the Electoral Register. Interestingly,

:57:23.:57:27.

89,000 of those registered for postal votes. That may delay some of

:57:28.:57:31.

the counting and some of the time that we get back when we are

:57:32.:57:35.

expecting to return am we are expecting - we were told to expect a

:57:36.:57:42.

result around 12.30am thatle might slip back to 1.00am. Those in the

:57:43.:57:48.

Remain camp spoke to the BBC saying that they were taking a look at

:57:49.:57:54.

gauging the postal results. The effort they have been putting in

:57:55.:57:59.

from the Labour campaign, the Labour Remain campaign, 26 Labour MPs in

:58:00.:58:03.

this region. 25 of those for the Remain camp much they have made a

:58:04.:58:06.

concerted effort on the doorsteps. They think they have made a

:58:07.:58:10.

difference to the Remain call or for people to back them in the Remain

:58:11.:58:14.

camp. That is the picture here so far. Expecting a result around

:58:15.:58:24.

00.30am to 1.00am it is likely to be after Newcastle. Sunderland came

:58:25.:58:28.

first in the general election. It's not going to happen this time

:58:29.:58:34.

around. Before we go to Basildon. Nigel Farage has now unconceded

:58:35.:58:38.

having - What did I tell you! You said it. I said he would do it. You

:58:39.:58:42.

said he would do both things. Some he has. Clive Myrie is in Basildon.

:58:43.:58:47.

How are things there and when do you expect to come... Incidentally,

:58:48.:58:50.

what's the turnout there, has it been very big? It's been huge,

:58:51.:58:55.

actually, David. One of the officials told me that they reckon

:58:56.:58:59.

turnout is anything from 70% to 75%. Much higher than for a normal

:59:00.:59:03.

general election. They have been counting here for about 45 minutes

:59:04.:59:07.

now. Pretty much all the ballot boxes are in. They have been pushing

:59:08.:59:10.

them in on Asda shopping trolleys, which has been a bit of a sight to

:59:11.:59:14.

behold. Bearing in mind both sides have been shopping for votes over

:59:15.:59:18.

the last few weeks maybe it's not surprising. Given that Ukip was the

:59:19.:59:22.

only party here, David, to increase its number of seats on the borough

:59:23.:59:25.

council in the local elections, you get a pretty good sense of how the

:59:26.:59:29.

wind is blowing here. This is eurosceptic country. There is no

:59:30.:59:35.

question about that. The real issue is how big the proportion of the

:59:36.:59:38.

vote the Leave campaign wins tonight. As I said, turnout has been

:59:39.:59:42.

very high. That will be crucial. The weather has been awful here

:59:43.:59:46.

throughout the day. You have needed waders to cross the road at times

:59:47.:59:50.

today. The turnout has been enormous. The percentage of the vote

:59:51.:59:55.

has been high, too. Local polls coming into the referendum today

:59:56.:00:00.

suggested that Leave might get something like 70%-75% of the vote.

:00:01.:00:05.

If that is bourne out, with the final referendum result, that could

:00:06.:00:09.

potentially suggest that Leave might do well nationally. Basildon has

:00:10.:00:12.

been a bellwether in general elections. It could be a bellwether

:00:13.:00:16.

in this referendum as well. If the Leave vote is lower than that,

:00:17.:00:22.

anything from 60%-65% that suggests that Remain have done a little bit

:00:23.:00:25.

better that could mean that Remain have done a little bit better

:00:26.:00:29.

nationally as well. We are expecting the result here about 00.30am going

:00:30.:00:35.

on to 1.00am. It will be fascinating to see what happens. Thank you very

:00:36.:00:36.

much. Let's go to Swindon. Swindon is less

:00:37.:00:48.

Brexit, but what has the turn been? We are hearing from both sides that

:00:49.:00:52.

turnout has been very high. There has been consistent polling all day

:00:53.:00:56.

long. We know in terms of postal votes there has been a particularly

:00:57.:01:00.

high return. One of the main electoral officials was telling me

:01:01.:01:05.

that by mid-afternoon, 85% of all postal votes had already been

:01:06.:01:11.

returned. That is considerably up on a general election, getting on for

:01:12.:01:15.

20% higher than you would expect at a general election. That is

:01:16.:01:19.

interesting. Here in Swindon, all boxes are here. They are all back.

:01:20.:01:23.

That happened, getting on for 15 minutes ago. They are steaming

:01:24.:01:27.

ahead, counting of the postal ballots began on the dot of ten

:01:28.:01:33.

o'clock this evening. Apologies if it sounds as if I am broadcasting

:01:34.:01:36.

from a nightclub, it feels like I am. We have had some very loud music

:01:37.:01:42.

playing. The killjoys at the BBC had it turned off for a while, I said it

:01:43.:01:47.

makes it very hard to hear David Dimbleby. They tended off and came

:01:48.:01:50.

back and said, sorry, we are putting the music back on because we can

:01:51.:01:54.

tell everybody is counting far quicker with the music on. That is

:01:55.:01:59.

why it is rather loud and difficult to hear you. I will come back to you

:02:00.:02:06.

in a moment. At this point, we welcome viewers, good evening, or

:02:07.:02:11.

good morning, watching BBC World News, with the referendum results of

:02:12.:02:17.

this important referendum that took place in Britain today. We haven't

:02:18.:02:21.

yet got any figures. We are waiting for that. We have a slight inkling

:02:22.:02:28.

it might be a narrow win for Remain, but we don't actually know, we have

:02:29.:02:33.

not had any results. We hope you find the whole thing interesting and

:02:34.:02:37.

revealing. It is a very important moment for Britain, for Europe and

:02:38.:02:41.

the rest of the world. Jane, when you expecting to get your result?

:02:42.:02:46.

Yes, we think they are pretty much on track, that is what we are being

:02:47.:02:56.

given from both sides. It could be about 12:45am. Swindon has two MPs,

:02:57.:03:02.

both conservatives. One of them said, we cancel each other out,

:03:03.:03:08.

there is one Remain and one Leave. They think Swindon, as per the

:03:09.:03:13.

modelling, Swindon will vote to leave, but perhaps only marginally.

:03:14.:03:18.

The modelling suggests that the Leave vote would be much bigger than

:03:19.:03:22.

that in Swindon if that was going to be the picture nationally. The

:03:23.:03:27.

Conservative MPs, even though one voted one way and one the other,

:03:28.:03:30.

they are both telling me they are pretty confident the overall

:03:31.:03:34.

national picture, for what it is worth, will be Remain. There could

:03:35.:03:39.

be a slight, narrow win for Leave in Swindon. We should know that by

:03:40.:03:47.

about 12:45am. I think people should be very cautious at this stage, 11

:03:48.:03:51.

o'clock, about predicting. Of course, people on the Remain side

:03:52.:03:56.

are keen to say they think it is in the bag. Nigel Farage said first of

:03:57.:04:01.

all they thought they might have lost on the Leave side, and then he

:04:02.:04:15.

said that he not conceding. Tom Watson, you spoke a bit about the

:04:16.:04:21.

Labour campaign, what you think lies ahead for the Tory party if there is

:04:22.:04:28.

just a narrow victory? It is not really for me to predict what David

:04:29.:04:34.

Cameron's future is, but I see the MPs signing that letter, he must be

:04:35.:04:37.

in trouble if they are signing a letter of support at one minute

:04:38.:04:41.

after ten. It seems there is a challenge for David Cameron, or

:04:42.:04:46.

whoever leads the Conservative Party, let's face it, we end the

:04:47.:04:49.

referendum with the country more divided than it was at the start of

:04:50.:04:52.

the referendum. It seems that some points we had been slipping into

:04:53.:04:58.

intolerance. I think it is incumbent on David Cameron to try to bridge

:04:59.:05:02.

the divide, heal some of the wounds the referendum campaign has brought

:05:03.:05:06.

about in the country. That means his leadership over the next four or six

:05:07.:05:10.

weeks is very important. How can he do that, with these divisions, which

:05:11.:05:17.

Iain Duncan Smith has been talking about, we said earlier on, families

:05:18.:05:23.

and people divided. It is a very... What can I call it? An abrupt

:05:24.:05:28.

breaking point for Britain. They have been presented with just one

:05:29.:05:33.

question. We need to hear what people were telling us. The Labour

:05:34.:05:36.

Party have to do that. We have to understand what people are saying.

:05:37.:05:43.

What can you do about it? For me, there are many, many people who did

:05:44.:05:46.

not hear or would not listen to the argument that the EU has made us a

:05:47.:05:52.

more prosperous country, and I think there is a reason for that. Over the

:05:53.:05:56.

last 30 years, the evidence has shown that the prosperity has only

:05:57.:06:00.

been shared with a very rich people. One way or another, half the country

:06:01.:06:05.

is going to be disaffected, with the politicians or the other half of the

:06:06.:06:11.

country, whichever side has won? Of course, these things will take a

:06:12.:06:15.

while to heal, in the country and in politics. Isn't that optimistic? You

:06:16.:06:19.

have asked people to make up their mind what kind of country Britain

:06:20.:06:23.

should be, half of the people that voted are going to find the other

:06:24.:06:27.

half does not want what they want? Leaving aside party politics, we are

:06:28.:06:33.

told 80% of people answering this question? Within this referendum, I

:06:34.:06:38.

agree with Tom, there have been some real thing is that political parties

:06:39.:06:40.

have now got to stop and think about. The distancing of Westminster

:06:41.:06:48.

and politics from communities far away from Westminster has been quite

:06:49.:06:51.

revealing. For the Labour Party, there is a big issue where they are

:06:52.:06:55.

worrying about how they are getting out of touch with people that they

:06:56.:06:59.

have always considered to be strong Labour supporters. For my party,

:07:00.:07:03.

it's a big issue that people that have been taken for granted as

:07:04.:07:06.

conservative for some time have become quite angry about this

:07:07.:07:10.

debate, because they feel, for the first time, they are being asked a

:07:11.:07:13.

question which they have been trying to get across about what has

:07:14.:07:16.

happened to them. It is not a case of... Tom is right, by the way, many

:07:17.:07:21.

people on low incomes do not feel like, at any stage, over the last

:07:22.:07:25.

ten years, they have at all been benefited by anything. In fact, they

:07:26.:07:30.

have seen incomes fall, and that has caused quite a lot of turmoil. There

:07:31.:07:34.

is a huge moment, for the first time we don't rely on safe and unsafe

:07:35.:07:39.

constituencies and marginals, every place in Britain has a voice now.

:07:40.:07:43.

Many places in the present system have never been able to tell us

:07:44.:07:46.

anything because nobody was asking them because they didn't matter in a

:07:47.:07:51.

general election. They do now. This is a huge reason why David Cameron's

:07:52.:07:55.

handling of this in the next few weeks will be critical. He ended up

:07:56.:07:59.

calling this referendum, conceding having to hold a referendum, really,

:08:00.:08:03.

to try to settle a problem on the right of British politics inside his

:08:04.:08:11.

own party and to hold off Ukip. What it risks unleashing his forces that

:08:12.:08:13.

the political classes, who have been surprised it even ended up feeling

:08:14.:08:16.

this close, didn't really anticipate. Many of them discovered

:08:17.:08:20.

they were more cut off from traditional bases than they

:08:21.:08:23.

realised. The handling of that is going to be absolutely critical in

:08:24.:08:27.

the weeks ahead. Let's have a look at the morning papers. It's an

:08:28.:08:33.

old-fashioned thing to do, really, considering most stuff comes through

:08:34.:08:37.

online! Anyway... They have had to make the headlines... Well, The

:08:38.:08:42.

Times saying the closest call for Britain. The Telegraph, Brexit MPs

:08:43.:08:49.

pledge allegiance to Cameron. The Prime Minister. The Daily Mail,

:08:50.:08:57.

again, not much of a story... Well, a big story, 100 billion parasite

:08:58.:09:02.

bankers. We are talking about the city, working through the night to

:09:03.:09:05.

make a killing on the referendum result. Project Reunite, The Mirror.

:09:06.:09:14.

A famous picture, we love you, we love you, Britain! The EU on the

:09:15.:09:19.

left, kissing in Britain on the right. The Sun, Bremad? I don't know

:09:20.:09:32.

what that means. Is that Glastonbury? Maybe it is a railway

:09:33.:09:37.

station! I don't know why we are mocking these headlines. We have

:09:38.:09:44.

another one coming up. The Guardian, party leaders reach out to a divided

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nation. You have seen it here at this table, after the bitter EU

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referendum. We can vouch for that. The Metro, Farage, I think it's all

:09:53.:10:01.

over, a remarking has now distanced himself from, saying he has

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unconceded! Nothing new there. Remember at the general election,

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when he unresigned? Emily? I'm going to speak to Chris

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Grayling. Thanks for joining us. I wonder what you're hearing about

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Nigel Farage? Has he conceded defeat, has he unconceded? Terrible

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word! I'm puzzled, frankly, I think it is too early to concede all

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unconcede. Have not seen any results at all. There has been a high

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turnout, but there has been a high turnout in areas expected to back

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Leave. We are getting polls suggesting Remain has won. I

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genuinely don't know what has happened. We need to wait until we

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see a proper picture. Can you confirm if your name is on this

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letter we are talking about? 84 signatories from Tory MPs, calling

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for David Cameron to stay on. Was your name one of those? Yes, it was.

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It's really important now that the Conservative Party, having won a

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general election, having promised to give the country a referendum and

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delivered it, and we have have a lively debate, we are going to see

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what the view of the people is, after that we get on with the job of

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governing the country, that means uniting behind David Cameron and

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delivering the manifesto we were elected on. You would like David

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Cameron to stay on if it is a narrow victory for Remain? I want him to

:11:32.:11:35.

stay regardless of the result. He has been a good Prime Minister. If

:11:36.:11:39.

we win the referendum tonight on the leave aside, we will need his skills

:11:40.:11:48.

to take us out of the European Union. If we are not successful, we

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need him to continue delivering the change he has been doing for the

:11:51.:11:53.

last six years. We need to get behind David Cameron and do the job

:11:54.:11:56.

we have to do for the country, as well as keeping what is a very left

:11:57.:12:00.

wing Labour opposition at bay. Do you feel the same degree of warmth

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towards the Chancellor? Were you one of the signatories saying they would

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stand against his austerity budget? I was not. I always took that with a

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bit of a pinch of salt. I don't think it would have happened. The

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reality is that this has been a lively debate, strong views on both

:12:20.:12:23.

sides. Now is the moment to say the polls are closed, it is now down to

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the counting of the votes of the British people. We have to accept

:12:27.:12:29.

the verdict and get on with governing as good friends and

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colleagues, people with a mission across this parliament to make a

:12:33.:12:36.

difference to this country. How easy is that going to be? You have 65 or

:12:37.:12:42.

so MPs signing the letter against the Chancellor. It is a mammoth task

:12:43.:12:50.

to unite a party that has seen divisions right through its heart?

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Of course there have been bruises as a result of the campaign, that was

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inevitable. This is an issue that attracts strong sentiments on both

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sides of the argument. There is far more that unites us as conservatives

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than divides us. If you look at what the Chancellor has achieved over six

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years, turning the economy around from the brink of Greek style ruin,

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to when we have the lowest payments of unemployment benefit since the

:13:15.:13:19.

1970s, he has done a great job, the government matter as to make great

:13:20.:13:22.

job, we are midway through a process of social reform that I think will

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make a lasting difference. We need to accept the view of the British

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public, we need to carry on delivering the manifesto. We have

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another 21 bills to get through in this Parliament, that is part of

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what we were elected on. It is beholden on us to unite and get on

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with the job. You will concede it is quite curious to hear those that

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have been on the opposite side for weeks now talking about their

:13:45.:13:48.

wonderful record in government. Just this week, I think you talked about

:13:49.:13:51.

the south-east becoming a very different sort of place if

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immigration went on and checked. Do you think that is a message that

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will go through to your leader? -- unchecked? It is clearly the case

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that if Remain wins it will be more challenging to deal with

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immigration. But that will not stop us has a Government listening to the

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will of the British people, acting on what they decided for us in

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relationship to the membership of the European Union, get on with

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doing what we can... So you can presumably negotiate with the EU if

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it is Remain, do you believe that? We have to carry on working within

:14:29.:14:32.

the European Union to get what is right for Britain, delivering change

:14:33.:14:37.

is what make a difference in the country. We will carry on doing

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everything we can in the interests of the country, off the back of the

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mandate we got 15 months ago. Thank you.

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Thank you very much indeed much we are hearing that Theresa Villiers

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has said she understands that Remain have edged it. We should put a

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massive caveat in at this point of the night. An hour on air. We have

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not had a single result in, so the night awaits us. David. Kettering

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has it its turnout. The turnout, 76%. It was 67% at the general

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election. More people have registered and the turnout is 76%.

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It is probably even more actual people voting. Look, I've just been

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joined by Douglas Carswell, the only Ukip MP. Now, we've got this mixed

:15:34.:15:40.

messages coming from your leader, Nigel Farage, if you still see him

:15:41.:15:46.

as your leader. Saying he thought Remain had done it, now saying he is

:15:47.:15:51.

unconceded? Well, I think we should take this with a large pinch of

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salt. Which bit, all of it? On the night of the general election

:15:56.:15:58.

similar pro general elections about Thanet South going the other way,

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which turned out to be slightly offkey. Let's look at the facts. We

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will see Sunderland fairly soon. Let us look at hard facts before we

:16:06.:16:09.

know. What we do know is that it's likely to be very, very close. Who

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would have thought, after everything that has been thrown at the Leave

:16:14.:16:19.

campaign, taxpayer funded propaganda and the rest of it. Who would have

:16:20.:16:22.

thought it would be this close? I think it's been an extraordinary

:16:23.:16:26.

campaign. I think Vote Leave has done incredibly well to narrow the

:16:27.:16:30.

gap and reduce the lead, perhaps not quite enough, perhaps they have done

:16:31.:16:34.

it quite enough. What's the future of Ukip and Ukip supporters as a

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party if it's not a victory for Leave? Many people after this

:16:40.:16:43.

campaign, in all parties, who perhaps feel that the leaders of

:16:44.:16:47.

their parties, on the issue of Europe and many other things, have

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more in common with one another in Westminster than they do with

:16:52.:16:55.

ordinary folk across the country. Many people will conclude that

:16:56.:16:59.

politics is a cartel wef need to break that cartel and need new up

:17:00.:17:04.

start parties like Ukip to break that cartel. Physical Ukip is an

:17:05.:17:07.

optimistic party that wants change and that looks to reshape the

:17:08.:17:14.

country for 2030, 2040, not back to 1950, we can be that change. Sitting

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ondown your left is Amber Rudd, Energy and Climate Secretary. Thank

:17:22.:17:25.

you for joining us. You were quite rude about Boris Johnson in one of

:17:26.:17:29.

the debates saying you thought the only number he understood was Number

:17:30.:17:33.

Ten, that's where he wanted to be. The mood of the campaign, the style

:17:34.:17:37.

of it, was very vicious within the Tory party I would like to think I

:17:38.:17:43.

made interesting points about climate change and women's They may

:17:44.:17:47.

have equality. Got lost at the insults levelled at Boris Johnson

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Boris Johnson is made of porcelain. We have a good relationship. He is

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not the man you want to drive you home at the end of the evening. What

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does that mean We should not get in the car and let him drive us out of

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the European Union. It's perfectly clear. You mistake me completely.

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Ah. There has been a lot of talk about people having disagreements

:18:10.:18:13.

within the Tory party. As Chris Grayling said earlier there has been

:18:14.:18:17.

robust discussions, there is also, I feel already, a coming together this

:18:18.:18:20.

evening, people who had strong views on different parts of the

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Conservative Party, already reaching out to each other and say - whatever

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the outcome, as Douglas said, it's too early to say, we're hopeful we

:18:27.:18:30.

will unite again afterwards. Conservative Party united is one

:18:31.:18:36.

thing. What Douglas Carswell is referring to is large numbers of

:18:37.:18:39.

voters being disaffected by that. Assume for a moment, make no

:18:40.:18:45.

assumptions about who won or lost. The country was asked to make a

:18:46.:18:48.

decision between black-and-white, are you for or against? A difficult

:18:49.:18:52.

decision. Countless people have been saying - I don't know how, I can't

:18:53.:18:56.

make up my mind. Once they made up their mind and find the other half

:18:57.:18:59.

of the country has gone the other way. They are bound, aren't they, to

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look for - somebody else. Some ideas to represent - There may be people

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who think - I was out campaigning in Hastings today. What I heard was a

:19:09.:19:11.

lot of enthusiasm from people coming up to me and saying - we rather

:19:12.:19:15.

enjoyed this period of thinking about why the European Union works

:19:16.:19:17.

for us and how Britain is stronger because of being in. It they have

:19:18.:19:23.

enjoyed the campaign. It brought them together and you canned talk

:19:24.:19:27.

about it. I think it hes has had a binding affect on people. Yes or no,

:19:28.:19:32.

In or Out? Thinking where Britain's place is in the world or whether we

:19:33.:19:36.

are better served being in the European Union or not? It will be

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close. A sizeable chunk of the electorate feel they haven't got

:19:41.:19:44.

their way. I want to see a new consensus. I don't want to spend 20

:19:45.:19:50.

years having divisions over Europe like we had over the past years. I

:19:51.:19:56.

would like to reach out tho those who have concerns, with the new

:19:57.:19:59.

consensus take into account those concerns. Similarly, if it is

:20:00.:20:03.

reremain we need to make sure that considerable number of people who

:20:04.:20:08.

voted to leave the European Union are represent and some of their

:20:09.:20:11.

views are taken on board. How can he this be takenen board. You say the

:20:12.:20:17.

EU doesn't rigs listen and won't alter. Than is why you want to

:20:18.:20:22.

leave? After the Scottish result there was a consensus there intoed

:20:23.:20:25.

to be devolution of powers to Scotland. If it's a narrow Remain we

:20:26.:20:30.

need to recognise that that considerable significant proportion

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of the electorate, who voted to leave, need to have some

:20:35.:20:40.

representation. Are you saying that the EU, after all the arbiter of

:20:41.:20:42.

these things, will listen to the voice of people who said they wish

:20:43.:20:46.

to leave and change their policy and their way of doing business? Do you

:20:47.:20:51.

think that would happen I think it might happen. Can I pick up

:20:52.:20:54.

something with Douglas. The Prime Minister said he never said he was

:20:55.:20:58.

fighting for the status quo. We are fighting to make sure the UK has a

:20:59.:21:02.

stronger role within Europe and it's good for the UK to be able to do

:21:03.:21:05.

that. We don't want things to stay still much we want to make sure we

:21:06.:21:08.

can influence the European Union so it's in our interests and is in

:21:09.:21:12.

stronger. What I agree with Douglas about is there have been issues that

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came out of this campaign which no Government would ignore. We need to

:21:18.:21:19.

engage with them more, listen to people more about it and address

:21:20.:21:24.

them. How do you do that? It was part of David Cameron's campaign if

:21:25.:21:29.

you stayed in you were voting for a reformed Europe. This week the

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President of the EU Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, was plain as

:21:34.:21:36.

plain could be he said there would be no more change after the February

:21:37.:21:39.

deal. February deal that David Cameron had promised was so bold,

:21:40.:21:43.

most people concede is actually pretty much tinkering around the

:21:44.:21:49.

margins? We know what the President was saying don't expect a

:21:50.:21:51.

renegotiation if you want a another referendum. My interpretations what

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he said is different to what you suggested. It's saying - don't come

:21:55.:21:57.

back and ask uses to have a different deal - So many members of

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the public want something else from the European Union We will hope to

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influence that to take place by, working with other European partners

:22:06.:22:09.

to do that. Also, on the renegotiation, I think people

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dismiss it too quickly. The fact, is on the crucial case of immigration,

:22:14.:22:18.

he got a renegotiation, the Prime Minister, whereby European Union

:22:19.:22:21.

citizens come here to work. They can't take out until they put in.

:22:22.:22:25.

They can't get full benefits for four years. That's a fundamental

:22:26.:22:29.

change. Once we vote, if we do, to Remain, that will be a change that

:22:30.:22:33.

people will appreciate. You know very well that the Prime Minister is

:22:34.:22:36.

not able to get as much as he wanted on immigration. He has not been able

:22:37.:22:41.

to get what he went in on that negotiation You under estimate what

:22:42.:22:45.

he did achieve. I don't think anyone should be under the impression

:22:46.:22:48.

because of the way people voted on Thursday the fundamental problems

:22:49.:22:51.

that affect the European Union are magically going to disappear. It's a

:22:52.:22:56.

fundamentally flawed project and the failures within it and to it will

:22:57.:23:00.

become Evermore pronounced. I think we need to recognise that. The

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European Union, whether we vote to leave or stay, is fundamentally

:23:05.:23:08.

flawed in it is current form. I hope if we vote to stay you will try to

:23:09.:23:11.

work within parliament to make sure we get the best for the country by

:23:12.:23:14.

working with the European Union, not always taking the position that we

:23:15.:23:17.

should leave the European Union if that's the outcome of the British

:23:18.:23:20.

people. Let's see what the result is. Indeed. I think it's going to be

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neck and neck. Let's hear more about the result from Jeremy, who had his

:23:26.:23:29.

beautifully explanation a moment ago about the size of the constituencies

:23:30.:23:33.

and the size of the counts. The mechanics, David much I wish I could

:23:34.:23:37.

give you the result. The way it's, working. We are used to Westminster

:23:38.:23:42.

elections and parliamentary constituencies, 650 in Westminster,

:23:43.:23:46.

roughly the same size. It's not like that for this referendum we have

:23:47.:23:51.

here a proportionate map. Each counting area is difficult. Some are

:23:52.:23:55.

bigger than others. The smallest here. The Isles of Scilly. There we

:23:56.:23:59.

are. Just down off the south-east coast. Very, very small indeed. Next

:24:00.:24:07.

to it, a big stalk here, Cornwall. Cornwall counts as one county. The

:24:08.:24:11.

height of the stalk represents the number of people in the counting

:24:12.:24:15.

areas. Later we will turn them blue and yellow according to came first.

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We can't do that yet, obviously. The biggest stalk here in the Midland is

:24:21.:24:25.

Birmingham. Just there. We will focus in a minute on London. There

:24:26.:24:29.

is an awful lot of votes, 33 different boroughs all reporting

:24:30.:24:34.

singly. Scotland. A lot of votes in Glasgow and Edinburgh. Not so many

:24:35.:24:39.

elsewhere. Scotland thought to be going much more for Remain than any

:24:40.:24:44.

other part of the whole of the UK and, therefore, Scotland may well be

:24:45.:24:47.

a crucial part in all of this. If I take you down towards London, you

:24:48.:24:52.

will see this forest of stalks which represents the density of population

:24:53.:24:56.

in the south-east of England. Let's zoom in on London here. We can see

:24:57.:25:00.

those 33 boroughs, including the City of London, it's tiny, 7,000

:25:01.:25:06.

electorate there. The height of the stalk represents the number of

:25:07.:25:09.

people who can vote. It's possible, with Remain sentiment high in

:25:10.:25:13.

London, all that a of these turn yellow by the end of the night. If

:25:14.:25:17.

they don't. If some of them go blue, blue for Leave, you might expect

:25:18.:25:23.

them, based on the analysis so far on the counting areas to be on the

:25:24.:25:28.

east side of the London, Barking, Dagenham, Havering, Bexley, so on.

:25:29.:25:32.

Our map, we clear it down. Once we start getting results we will show

:25:33.:25:40.

you the margin of victory for Leave or Remain in each particular area.

:25:41.:25:44.

More there about the meal cans of it all. -- mechanics. North to

:25:45.:25:51.

Scotland. A country still recovering from its independence referendum two

:25:52.:25:54.

years ago. It had its second referendum in two years. A Leave

:25:55.:25:59.

vote by the UK many people have said could have Scotland wanting to

:26:00.:26:04.

change its mind on independence and leave the UK to stick with the EU.

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In Falkirk this evening is Scotland editor, Sarah Smith. Good evening.

:26:13.:26:16.

Good evening, David. What's the story that you can see there?

:26:17.:26:22.

Everybody said it was going to be very much remain, does that pro-

:26:23.:26:25.

Seem to be the feeling? That's what we're largely expecting. We will get

:26:26.:26:29.

the first result in here. This is the central count where every result

:26:30.:26:33.

for each of the 32 local authority areas across Scotland will be

:26:34.:26:37.

announced. The first one about 1.00am from Auckney. First mainland

:26:38.:26:44.

result, 1.30am from Sterling. Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen we

:26:45.:26:49.

won't get until 2.00am to 3.00am. If any of them vote to Leave David

:26:50.:26:53.

Cameron should be very worried. We are expecting a Remain result in

:26:54.:27:00.

most of Scotland, everywhere apart from the borders, Dumfries or

:27:01.:27:03.

Galloway. Edinburgh could have the highest proportion of Remain voters

:27:04.:27:06.

in any district across the whole of the UK. It's not how Scotland vote

:27:07.:27:14.

that matters. It's what the UK voters decide. That could have

:27:15.:27:19.

profound implications here in Scotland. Perhaps we should go to

:27:20.:27:31.

Wales. James Williams is in Deeside, this evening. What is the position

:27:32.:27:35.

there? David, we expect the turnout to be high here. I spoke to sources

:27:36.:27:39.

from all parties and both campaigns right across the country. We are

:27:40.:27:43.

expecting turnout to be between 70% and 75%. But all the sources I spoke

:27:44.:27:48.

to aren't willing to guess which way the result is going to go. What has

:27:49.:27:53.

been fascinating about this Welsh referendum campaign is that the long

:27:54.:27:58.

held assumption that Wales is a massively pro-EU country has been

:27:59.:28:01.

challenged robustly time and time again. Despite the vast majority of

:28:02.:28:06.

Welsh politicians wanting us to remain, despite the fact that Wales,

:28:07.:28:09.

unlike the UK, receives more cash from the EU than we pay in. We are a

:28:10.:28:14.

net beneficiary. Despite the fact that migration, as a proportion, is

:28:15.:28:18.

lower here than in any other UK country it seems that the result

:28:19.:28:22.

here is precariously balanced on a knife edge. That could be very

:28:23.:28:27.

significant. As one Leave Brexit campaigner was telling me, a few

:28:28.:28:32.

days ago, look, if there is a narrow Brexit result across the UK, then

:28:33.:28:36.

it's important that it isn't just England that pulls the UK out of the

:28:37.:28:41.

EU. Given we expect Scotland and Northern Ireland to vote to Remain,

:28:42.:28:45.

what happens in Wales, in that context, could be very significant

:28:46.:28:51.

indeed. Of course, over the last few years the emergence of Ukip has been

:28:52.:28:55.

a big political story #. They broke new electoral ground in May winning

:28:56.:28:58.

seats in the Welsh Assembly for the very first time. It's those Labour

:28:59.:29:02.

strongholds where we will be keeping an eye tonight. Places like,

:29:03.:29:09.

Flintshire in the north-east, according to our-John Curtice's

:29:10.:29:12.

analysis is the most eurosceptic place in Wales. The local Labour MP

:29:13.:29:16.

is telling me is heartened by what he has seen so far. In this context

:29:17.:29:19.

that means a narrow victory for Brexit. We will be looking at the

:29:20.:29:27.

council areas in the south Wales Valleys. According to Labour sources

:29:28.:29:32.

I have spoken to down there they are more confident they pulled some of

:29:33.:29:36.

their supporters back to the Remain campaign. It could be a case of

:29:37.:29:40.

damage limitation in some of those areas. As for the Remain camp, they

:29:41.:29:46.

are hoping to record big victories in the Welsh speaking heartlands.

:29:47.:29:49.

They are hoping for a big result in the capital city, Cardiff. We are

:29:50.:29:55.

expecting the results to start trickling in from 1.30am in the

:29:56.:30:02.

morning. We expect to give you the all-Wales picture around

:30:03.:30:05.

4.00am-5.00am. We will keep you updated in the meantime. Thank you.

:30:06.:30:08.

We go to Northern Ireland, Belfast. They have a different way of

:30:09.:30:12.

counting here, which Chris Buckler, who is there, good evening, Chris,

:30:13.:30:14.

he will explain it to us. A Northern Ireland result will be

:30:15.:30:23.

announced here. It is the same accounting as in the UK, a simple

:30:24.:30:28.

case of Leave Laura Main. The polling has indicated there is a big

:30:29.:30:33.

difference between how nationalists and unionists will vote. It has

:30:34.:30:37.

seemed very clear that nationalists were very likely to vote Remain.

:30:38.:30:46.

Unionists, it will split 50-50. The key thing for unionists was to get

:30:47.:30:52.

the vote out from some of those in the Leave side. The DUP is the party

:30:53.:30:59.

that has been campaigning for the Leave side, argue against the other

:31:00.:31:06.

big storm and parties. Speaking to both sides, they believe they have a

:31:07.:31:10.

big turnout, probably double figures on what the Assembly election was

:31:11.:31:15.

just six weeks ago. They say in the polling stations they have seen

:31:16.:31:19.

people voting today who did not vote in the Assembly election or the

:31:20.:31:22.

general election. There are different people there. From the

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Unionist side, talking to Leave campaigners, they say they have seen

:31:28.:31:30.

people from working class Unionist areas who have been very motivated.

:31:31.:31:34.

Remain campaigners say there have been more younger people out. When

:31:35.:31:39.

you take a look at the figures as far as nationalists being much more

:31:40.:31:43.

likely to vote and unionists being about 50-50, I think it is clear we

:31:44.:31:47.

will get a Remain vote in Northern Ireland. We expect that to be

:31:48.:31:55.

announced sometime after four. We will get results constituency by

:31:56.:31:58.

constituency so we can get it sooner. We have talked about

:31:59.:32:01.

Newcastle being first with a result, it seems to be a possibility

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Gibraltar will be first. James Neish is in Gibraltar. Tell us what is

:32:11.:32:14.

going on. Hello, from the southernmost tip of Europe, where

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the count has finished. 20,000 passionate voters exercising their

:32:21.:32:25.

right to vote in this EU referendum with a massive turnout of 84% on the

:32:26.:32:31.

rock of Gibraltar. The early indication is that the result will

:32:32.:32:38.

overwhelmingly be in favour of a Remain vote. I have been speaking to

:32:39.:32:45.

members of the Stronger In Campaign, they are hoping for 90% for Remain.

:32:46.:32:50.

The result is imminent. We expected to be declared in the next ten or 15

:32:51.:32:55.

minutes. The count has finished and the results have been sent to the

:32:56.:32:58.

south-west region. They will come back to the counting officer and he

:32:59.:33:02.

will declare. An interesting aspect of this campaign in Gibraltar is

:33:03.:33:11.

that Stronger In have run an intense campaign. Leave have been tactically

:33:12.:33:15.

invisible. That is why everybody that is here behind me, all of the

:33:16.:33:19.

supporters and campaigners, they are really hoping this is going to be in

:33:20.:33:26.

the European Union. 20,000 votes, so not a big number to give us the

:33:27.:33:31.

wider picture for the UK. There will be many people not sleeping tonight,

:33:32.:33:35.

hoping that this is now going to be replicated, at least as far as an i

:33:36.:33:43.

vote is expected when the declaration comes in the morning.

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For people slightly puzzled about this, explain how Gibraltar came to

:33:50.:33:55.

be in the EU and voting on this? I was speaking to Gibraltar's Chief

:33:56.:33:58.

Minister earlier today. He was telling me that this is British

:33:59.:34:06.

Gibraltarians being part of the British family. They stand united as

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one. The links between the UK and Gibraltar go back more than 300

:34:12.:34:16.

years. It was the Prime Minister, David Cameron, who gave Gibraltar

:34:17.:34:22.

the guarantee because of how Gibraltar would be affected by

:34:23.:34:25.

Brexit. It was given by the Prime Minister when he called the

:34:26.:34:28.

referendum, that the people of Gibraltar will have a right to

:34:29.:34:32.

exercise their say. That is why everybody here is hoping that the UK

:34:33.:34:35.

and Gibraltar will remain in the European Union. They say that Brexit

:34:36.:34:41.

would severely damage the high quality of life that Gibraltarians

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enjoy today. We look forward to... I think they will be the first

:34:49.:34:52.

results, we look forward to that. This is Kirklees. Counting stopped,

:34:53.:34:59.

it has just resumed. They have a minute's silence for the MP, Jo Cox,

:35:00.:35:08.

killed last week. The same in Leeds, counting stopped and it has now

:35:09.:35:15.

resumed. I think we can go to the news. I don't know if it will have

:35:16.:35:22.

changed. There is the front of Broadcasting House. The result, it

:35:23.:35:29.

will show you not much at the moment, because we have had no

:35:30.:35:33.

results. There we go, count underway. Sometime later, we will

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have that. Let's get a round-up of the news.

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Counting has begun of millions of votes cast across the UK

:35:45.:35:47.

A record 46 million people were entitled to vote

:35:48.:35:51.

on whether to Remain In or to Leave the European Union.

:35:52.:35:54.

The first results are likely to be announced in the early hours

:35:55.:36:00.

This report contains some flashing images.

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Big Ben has struck, ten o'clock. It was the moment that polling

:36:11.:36:19.

stations closed, the UK had given its verdict. Now the waiting, a

:36:20.:36:23.

night of counting ahead. Sunderland began the traditional race to be the

:36:24.:36:27.

first to complete the count. As ballot boxes were opened in Swindon,

:36:28.:36:33.

politicians said it looked like turnout was high. People that often

:36:34.:36:37.

don't vote are suddenly voting. That makes it a little bit problematic.

:36:38.:36:42.

I'm simply saying it has been hard-fought, in many senses it has

:36:43.:36:45.

been great fun and difficult, but now we have to wait and see the

:36:46.:36:49.

results. With rumours doing the rounds about who is ahead, it is a

:36:50.:36:54.

nervous wait for campaigners. In the United States, a lot of people are

:36:55.:36:58.

telling me they were going to Vote Leave or they had. I don't believe

:36:59.:37:04.

that the book is always get it right. It has emerged prominent

:37:05.:37:08.

Leave campaigners Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are among a group of

:37:09.:37:12.

MPs that have signed a letter calling on David Cameron to carry on

:37:13.:37:16.

whatever the result. It has been a ferocious and fractious campaign and

:37:17.:37:20.

there are wounds that need to be healed.

:37:21.:37:23.

As the world waits for the UK's decision, the pound has risen

:37:24.:37:26.

to its highest level this year against the dollar -

:37:27.:37:28.

and is on track for one of its strongest weekly performances

:37:29.:37:31.

When the New York Stock Exchange closed a short while ago,

:37:32.:37:35.

the pound was trading at just under one dollar and 49 cents.

:37:36.:37:38.

The FTSE 100 Share Index also closed UP over 1 percentage point today.

:37:39.:37:45.

As we've been hearing, storms and heavy rain have caused

:37:46.:37:47.

serious flooding in parts of London and in south-east England.

:37:48.:37:50.

Several commuter and Underground lines in the capital suffered

:37:51.:37:52.

There were more problems this evening as commuters tried to get

:37:53.:37:56.

Police in Germany have shot and killed a masked gunmen at a terror

:37:57.:38:12.

alert at a cinema complex. It happened near Frankfurt. The man

:38:13.:38:16.

entered the complex and took some people hostage, before being shot.

:38:17.:38:20.

Police say nobody else was injured. Jenny Hill is in Berlin. Security

:38:21.:38:26.

services and police sources have told local media that it looks as if

:38:27.:38:32.

this was not a terror, IS inspired attack, rather it was perhaps the

:38:33.:38:37.

work of a confused individual who appears to have been acting alone.

:38:38.:38:41.

There were some witness reports that suggested that the man himself

:38:42.:38:45.

appeared very confused during the incident. Police have yet to

:38:46.:38:51.

disclose whether the weapon that he was carrying was real or fake. Just

:38:52.:38:57.

before 3pm they were called to the scene, as you saw, and a very

:38:58.:39:02.

dramatic scene it was as well. Really, the incident serves to

:39:03.:39:08.

highlight, yet again, how Germany and many other European countries

:39:09.:39:10.

are on a real state of high alert. A man has been jailed for life

:39:11.:39:14.

for plotting a beheading on the streets of London,

:39:15.:39:17.

inspired by so-called Islamic State, which could have

:39:18.:39:19.

targeted a poppy seller. 23-year-old Nadir Syed

:39:20.:39:21.

was arrested in November 2014, One of the world's longest running

:39:22.:39:23.

civil wars, in Colombia, has been brought to an end

:39:24.:39:29.

after more than 50 The so-called FARC rebels have

:39:30.:39:31.

signed a deal to lay down their arms following three

:39:32.:39:37.

years of negotiations. We have the result from Gibraltar.

:39:38.:39:50.

Let's go to James Neish. 20100 and 73. The number of votes

:39:51.:40:27.

cast in favour of remaining in the European Union was 19300 and 22.

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You could barely hear that, but you can see it on screen, the result.

:40:43.:41:01.

Just 823 wanting to leave the EU. 19322 wanted to remain. I'm not

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quite sure why we cannot hear that clearly. That is the first

:41:08.:41:15.

declaration, the first result of the 382 we are going to get by 6am. That

:41:16.:41:23.

is the first result. It is absolutely no surprise, it was well

:41:24.:41:27.

known that Gibraltar was going to go entirely... I don't know who the 823

:41:28.:41:32.

are, or what their motive is, Douglas Carswell, probably friends

:41:33.:41:35.

of yours? Did you think that Gibraltar should vote Out? They will

:41:36.:41:41.

have their own distinct respective and we need to respect that. I hope

:41:42.:41:45.

North Clacton and does that result. We will see. A couple of tasters

:41:46.:41:52.

from around the country, two different sources suggesting that

:41:53.:41:55.

Sunderland, one of the other early results, we expected to be for

:41:56.:42:01.

Leave, it might be very, very clearly for Leave. Sampling suggests

:42:02.:42:08.

as high as 62% for Leave, that is, of course, way off being the

:42:09.:42:12.

official result, but it would be very important, because it would be

:42:13.:42:18.

an indication of how strong the Leave vote might be in other parts

:42:19.:42:22.

of the country. Leave were expected to be ahead, but if it is as much as

:42:23.:42:27.

that, it would be quite something. Nigel Farage, arriving at the

:42:28.:42:30.

headquarters of his part of the Leave campaign. Apparently, he now

:42:31.:42:37.

says his views about what had happened was based on what he had

:42:38.:42:40.

heard from his friends in the financial markets. That was when he

:42:41.:42:47.

said he thought that, by a whisker, the Remain campaign had won.

:42:48.:42:54.

Nigel Farage, of course, the man that actually got the whole

:42:55.:43:00.

referendum thing off the ground with Ukip, and has had a campaign, he has

:43:01.:43:05.

been quite cross quite a lot of the time with the Leave campaign for

:43:06.:43:10.

excluding him and refusing to turn up at places, and actually running

:43:11.:43:15.

his own campaign, being criticised rather robustly for some of the

:43:16.:43:19.

things, particularly that famous poster showing refugees from Syria,

:43:20.:43:27.

which Douglas Carswell and others complained about. Apparently he did

:43:28.:43:31.

speak. I don't know why the pictures are so rough, you would think they

:43:32.:43:39.

were done on an iPhone. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening! I want to

:43:40.:43:45.

say a massive, massive thanks to every single voter today who have

:43:46.:43:50.

the guts to defy their party political leaders, to defy the

:43:51.:43:56.

establishment, to defy the elites and big boys. I can't imagine any

:43:57.:44:00.

other campaign were ordinary folk have been subjected to so many

:44:01.:44:04.

threats. I have to say, it has been a long campaign. In my case, 25

:44:05.:44:12.

years. Whatever happens tonight, whoever wins this battle, one thing

:44:13.:44:16.

I am completely certain of is we are winning this war. Euro scepticism

:44:17.:44:23.

was considered to be fringe, fruitcake, to quote the Prime

:44:24.:44:26.

Minister, pretty odd. Tonight, it looks like maybe just under half,

:44:27.:44:31.

maybe over half the country, is going to vote for us to leave the

:44:32.:44:35.

European Union. I promise you this. If the result is that we vote to

:44:36.:44:39.

Leave, we must make sure the government carries out the will of

:44:40.:44:43.

the people. If the vote is that we haven't quite made it, then we have

:44:44.:44:48.

a lot to look forward to, as continued EU members. Tomorrow, the

:44:49.:44:53.

foreign affairs Minister will launch their big new global initiative,

:44:54.:44:57.

including defence. Next week, talks begin for Turkey to join the

:44:58.:45:02.

European Union. In July or August, we look forward to the third Greek

:45:03.:45:07.

bailout. What has dominated this campaign has been an issue that

:45:08.:45:11.

Westminster finds very difficult to talk about. An issue for which I

:45:12.:45:18.

have been demonised for much of the last ten years. An issue, and I will

:45:19.:45:23.

never remember going to Bolton, a lady grabbing my hands, tears in her

:45:24.:45:27.

eyes, saying, why doesn't the Prime Minister come and see what he has

:45:28.:45:31.

done to our lives? How he has changed our community? What he has

:45:32.:45:34.

done to the prospects of our kids getting jobs, school places or

:45:35.:45:40.

housing bust are not the issue, if we vote to Remain, is not going to

:45:41.:45:47.

go away. The Eurosceptic genie is out of the bottle and it will not be

:45:48.:45:54.

put back. Perhaps even more remarkably, the biggest change is

:45:55.:45:57.

not what has happened in the United Kingdom, it is what has happened

:45:58.:45:59.

across the rest of the European Union. We see in Denmark, the

:46:00.:46:04.

Netherlands, even in Italy, up to and around 50% of those populations

:46:05.:46:09.

want to leave the European Union. I hope and pray that my sense of this

:46:10.:46:13.

tonight is wrong on my sense of this, and I am not conceding, but my

:46:14.:46:20.

sense of this is that the government's registration scheme,

:46:21.:46:24.

getting 2 million voters on, a 48-hour extension, may tip the

:46:25.:46:28.

balance. I hope I am wrong. I hope I am made a fool of, believing that it

:46:29.:46:33.

is the case. Either way, whether I am right or wrong, if we do stay

:46:34.:46:37.

part of this union, it is doomed, it is finished anyway. If we fail

:46:38.:46:42.

tonight, it will not be as that knocks the first brick out of the

:46:43.:46:46.

wall, but somebody else. We have fought an amazing campaign. Even a

:46:47.:46:50.

year ago we were told the Remain campaign would be 20, 25, maybe even

:46:51.:46:54.

30 points behind the establishment position. We are not. Running them

:46:55.:46:57.

close. Nigel Farage there. He said if it

:46:58.:47:07.

was a 52-48 gap it would be unfished business if the Remain camp wins

:47:08.:47:11.

two-thirds to one third that would end it. He said if Remain wins he

:47:12.:47:16.

was going to go out and get hammered. Heys's obviously, not

:47:17.:47:21.

going to be able, he thinks, get hammered tonight because he doesn't

:47:22.:47:26.

think they have won. We wait to see. He was calling foul saying that the

:47:27.:47:29.

Government's extension of the time for registering may have swung

:47:30.:47:34.

things by getting two million more people on to the ballot. Let's go to

:47:35.:47:41.

Newcastle and Babita and see how close we are. Are we about to get a

:47:42.:47:46.

result? . We are about to hear a result declared here in Newcastle in

:47:47.:47:52.

the next few minutes. We understand from our sources is that it will be

:47:53.:47:59.

a remarginal result for Remain camp. A marginal result for Remain much we

:48:00.:48:03.

are waiting for the official declaration on the stage with the

:48:04.:48:08.

Chief Counting Officer who will take centre stage, Pat Ritchie thechl

:48:09.:48:13.

have gathered all the results and they've punched those results

:48:14.:48:15.

through to the regional counting officer, who is based in Sunderland

:48:16.:48:20.

much they are now authorising that and will make that public

:48:21.:48:24.

declaration of a marginal Remain result here in Newcastle. We are

:48:25.:48:28.

waiting to have the official figures. Figures.I can tell you also

:48:29.:48:34.

that turnout was 67.6% in Newcastle. What with we are hearing on the

:48:35.:48:37.

ground here is a marginal result for the Remain camp. Thank you very

:48:38.:48:44.

much. Join Curtice, if it's marginal for Newcastle, we don't know of

:48:45.:48:47.

course, it's not good for the Remain camp that is it? Not good news for

:48:48.:48:54.

the Remain camp or in Newcastle it's not been quite so good. We will find

:48:55.:48:58.

out which is true. Given the evidence we had before us, given the

:48:59.:49:02.

character of Newcastle it's the kind of place we would expect the Remain

:49:03.:49:09.

side to get 60% of the vote if the country was dividing 50 Halifax 50

:49:10.:49:15.

overall. If the vote for Remain is below 60% maybe Newcastle is

:49:16.:49:18.

exceptional. We will wait and see. That is not a result that, shall we

:49:19.:49:24.

say is consistent with the expectations generated by polling

:49:25.:49:30.

exercises that were revealed shortly after 10.00pm -- 50-50. It could be

:49:31.:49:34.

an outsider. You wouldn't take it too seriously? Sure. We shouldn't go

:49:35.:49:40.

too strong on one result. 12 months ago, Sunderland was good for the

:49:41.:49:43.

Labour Party. We said then, hang on, this is not necessarily the way the

:49:44.:49:46.

whole country is going to go. Equally I would say to you, we have

:49:47.:49:51.

to get a number of results in. Before we build up a consistent part

:49:52.:49:56.

earn before we can begin to sensibly speculate what the result will be.

:49:57.:50:01.

All we can say at the moment is, we heard the polls, we maybe we need to

:50:02.:50:07.

suspend our judge. When Nigel Farage said that the Government had fouled

:50:08.:50:11.

by extending the voting period, two million more people had come on to

:50:12.:50:14.

the Regster, do you support him in that? Do you think it's a rigged

:50:15.:50:18.

election this, which is what he was saying? It's important to show

:50:19.:50:21.

respect for democracy. We have been through a very pro longed debate. I

:50:22.:50:30.

think we can complain about tax funded pop beganed can and Treasury

:50:31.:50:34.

fiction. When you get people to engage in a referendum, that is a

:50:35.:50:37.

good thing. We have waited 40 years for this moment. Getting more people

:50:38.:50:41.

to engage in the process is a good thing. There are lots of things we

:50:42.:50:45.

can complain about, but I don't think that should be one of them. I

:50:46.:50:51.

just think, I agree with Douglas. Ridiculous thing of Nigel Farage to

:50:52.:50:54.

say much we have to respect the British people. He needs to respect

:50:55.:50:58.

the British people in having made that decision, which ever way it is.

:50:59.:51:01.

I will respect the decision which ever way it is as well. What were

:51:02.:51:06.

you expecting in Newcastle? I don't have those sort of details to hand.

:51:07.:51:11.

All right. I'm looking forwarded to seeing their interpretation. Laura.

:51:12.:51:15.

Orbits coming in, suggested to me it might be 61% as high as that for Out

:51:16.:51:21.

in Crawley inch London, Wandsworth, a borough expected to be Remain, it

:51:22.:51:26.

might be over 70% for Remain. So early in the night, it may well be

:51:27.:51:32.

we are looking at a very, very divided type of vote and in

:51:33.:51:36.

different communities. That might be the pattern of the evening. You

:51:37.:51:40.

wanted to add something? Merely, talking about the posters I thought

:51:41.:51:42.

you were going to ask me about those. No, I wasn't. Should we?

:51:43.:51:48.

Would you associate yourself with the posters Nigel Farage put out

:51:49.:51:53.

during the campaign. Thank you for the opportunity. I think it was a

:51:54.:51:57.

fundamental wrong thing to do. Let me say way. Morally it was the wrong

:51:58.:52:02.

thing to do. Using a picture of people who fled from a war in Syria

:52:03.:52:10.

that had nothing to do with the campaign. Angry nativism doesn't win

:52:11.:52:14.

elections in this country much I know that because in the Clacton

:52:15.:52:17.

constituencies at the last general election I made sure the posters

:52:18.:52:22.

were taken down. It's the one seat we won in that general election.

:52:23.:52:26.

What will happen to Ukip? You are rubbishing your leader, yet again,

:52:27.:52:30.

who will lead this party? We need - only you as the only MP? We need

:52:31.:52:34.

change the the way to appeal to decent minded people who want change

:52:35.:52:40.

is not by whipping up some sense of the other. Would you like to lead

:52:41.:52:47.

Ukip? Absolutely not. Why? I couldn't be a constituency MP, a dad

:52:48.:52:50.

and leader of a party much I just couldn't do it. It would be bad for

:52:51.:52:55.

me and it would be disastrous for Ukip. The Prime Minister does it

:52:56.:52:58.

well, he leads the Conservative Party and he's a dad - I certainly

:52:59.:53:02.

wouldn't want to lead the Conservative Party. That really

:53:03.:53:06.

would be difficult. That's out of the question, Douglas. We are joined

:53:07.:53:11.

by Paddy Ashdown. Lord Ashdown, could I perhaps warn you that we may

:53:12.:53:15.

have to go to Newcastle while we're talking for a result. If I interrupt

:53:16.:53:19.

you and we go off to Newcastle I hope you will, for once, forgive me.

:53:20.:53:24.

I will always forgive you, David. LAUGHTER.

:53:25.:53:29.

Come to this campaign itself. Do you think it's been damaging or can

:53:30.:53:37.

good? I don't think the political class covered itself in too more

:53:38.:53:44.

glory. It's a heavy word, there isn't another word for it, lying on

:53:45.:53:50.

the other. Douglas Carswell and I profoundly disagree about about

:53:51.:53:54.

this. Is an honourable man. He made two important statement. First of

:53:55.:53:58.

all, Nigel Farage, true to form, is determined not to accept the

:53:59.:54:01.

sovereign voice of the British people who come back again and

:54:02.:54:05.

secondly on that poster. I don't know the result, even if I do,

:54:06.:54:10.

having said I'd eat my hat on your programme last time, I'm not going

:54:11.:54:17.

to do it again with the blessed John Curtice behind you, who I owe an

:54:18.:54:21.

apology, twice I've done it, I was wrong on both occasions. There is a

:54:22.:54:25.

question you touched on with Douglas I would like to raise on you. I

:54:26.:54:28.

think the thing we ares ming here is the postal vote. I don't know what

:54:29.:54:35.

the total postal vote across Britain was 25%-30%. I don't have a figure.

:54:36.:54:39.

John will know. How do they take that into account in the polls. My

:54:40.:54:44.

guess is the postal vote across the country will be heavily Brexit it

:54:45.:54:48.

was cast right at the height of the Brexit surge at the time of

:54:49.:54:51.

immigration. He's right. A four-point lead for the Remain,

:54:52.:54:55.

which is what you have, margin of error stuff, is not enough to

:54:56.:54:59.

counter that. I want to ask the blessed John Curtice how do we take

:55:00.:55:05.

into account the postal vote? Saint John is here let's ask The people

:55:06.:55:10.

who him. Cast a postal vote can be interviewed by pollsters just as

:55:11.:55:14.

well as anybody else. The one thing the pollsters aren't allowed to do

:55:15.:55:18.

is to tell you how the postal voters in their samples have voted because

:55:19.:55:21.

that is would be against the law. They can be included in the mix. So

:55:22.:55:26.

long as they are none separately identifiable they can be included in

:55:27.:55:33.

the polls. What pollsters couldn't get out were oversea vote hesser.

:55:34.:55:39.

Maybe there were 250,000 of those. It's not an enormous number. That is

:55:40.:55:42.

one group that the pollsters could not get hold of. I don't want to get

:55:43.:55:47.

into this too much. You started it! I know. I'm really genuinely

:55:48.:55:52.

interested because my sense is that the postal vote may well tip this in

:55:53.:55:57.

an opposite direction to the latest polls. Here is my question for John.

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I'm a postal voter. I voted Out, I've changed my mind much you ask me

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now how I'm going to vote. I may say I'm voting in In, that Out is cast.

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You understand what I'm saying. Once you got into the period where it's

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possible for somebody to have cast a postal vote, people are asked in the

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interview by most pollsters - are you registered to have a postal vote

:56:21.:56:23.

and have you already vote and which way have you voted? Therefore the

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pollsters ask postal voters how they have vote ass opposed as to can

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asking how they will vote. I got you. Within limitations of the polls

:56:33.:56:36.

they should get that bit of the exercise right. Fine. In which case

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we will wait and see. The bottom truth is that we acknowledge,

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anybody who tells you how they know how this will go, don't. This is it

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still, even if the polls are right within the margin of error or

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nothing, we will have to be terribly patient. Thank you very much, Lord

:56:53.:56:56.

Ashdown. Maybe you will be patient and come back a bit later on to us

:56:57.:57:01.

from Westminster. Delighted to. Good to see you, thank you very much. Jo

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Coburn is in Manchester. You have somebody with you, I don't know who

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it is. You can explain? I'm at the Town Hall. It's Steve Baker, Tory MP

:57:10.:57:14.

who has been campaigning for Leave. In fact the Leave and the Remain

:57:15.:57:18.

campaigns are building up in their supporters here. Obviously, waiting

:57:19.:57:22.

for any more results coming through. We have been talking about the

:57:23.:57:24.

future of the Prime Minister, David Cameron. Steve, Baker, Tory MP for

:57:25.:57:31.

Wickham, you removed your name from a letter that stated David Cameron

:57:32.:57:34.

should stay on whatever the result as Prime Minister, why have you done

:57:35.:57:40.

this? I signed the letter in a spirit of goodwill on the Monday.

:57:41.:57:44.

During the week Project Fear escalated as a matter of protest I

:57:45.:57:48.

took my name off and didn't put it back on. I'm happy to say tonight I

:57:49.:57:51.

would be glad if the Prime Minister continued on tomorrow whatever the

:57:52.:57:55.

result is. I think he does have a mandate and and a duty to stabilise

:57:56.:57:58.

the markets and the country and keep the Conservative Party together. Why

:57:59.:58:03.

didn't you put your name back on? Sometimes we get carried with names

:58:04.:58:06.

on and off letters. I'm happy to tell people tonight I will be

:58:07.:58:09.

supporting the Prime Minister in the morning. How unhappy were you with

:58:10.:58:12.

what you called the punishment Budget by George Osborne? I'm happy

:58:13.:58:16.

to admit I was the one who organised the 65 MPs to say that they - to

:58:17.:58:21.

issue a statement to say they would vote against it. I was extremely

:58:22.:58:27.

unhappy. I found it ludicrous. Remain MPs thought it was a silly

:58:28.:58:31.

campaigning tactic. It was really frightening people much I didn't

:58:32.:58:34.

think it was a legitimate thing to do. As a campaigning strategy we

:58:35.:58:39.

responded in kind saying we voted against it. If it comes forward we

:58:40.:58:44.

will do. You stated your support for David Cameron. Would you state your

:58:45.:58:49.

support for George Osborne? If he brings forward that Budget we will

:58:50.:58:53.

vote it down. It's a matter for the Prime Minister when all things are

:58:54.:58:56.

considered. Any any of your colleagues who have not signed that

:58:57.:58:59.

letter or removed them in the way that you did are going to reinstate

:59:00.:59:04.

them? I don't think there is any danger of colleagues combining

:59:05.:59:06.

against the Prime Minister. When you look at the number of colleagues

:59:07.:59:09.

willing to sign that letter, as indeed I was, you can see that the

:59:10.:59:12.

movement in the party is to keep the Prime Minister in place and to

:59:13.:59:15.

ensure he's able to go forwards and stabilise the party and the country.

:59:16.:59:18.

Ha is the mood of the Conservative Party. There is no appetite for

:59:19.:59:23.

letters going in to have a vote of confidence. We know that he does

:59:24.:59:26.

have the confidence of the party. What about a hunch tonight on the

:59:27.:59:31.

result? We had a few results in. Obviously, that doesn't indicate

:59:32.:59:33.

necessarily what the outcome is going to be. What is your feeling If

:59:34.:59:38.

Gibraltar is representative, I'm in a lot of trouble. My feedback from

:59:39.:59:43.

Leave MPs across the country - it was a mood of elation. A huge

:59:44.:59:47.

turnout and huge support for leaving. Constituencies up-and-down

:59:48.:59:50.

the country. I'm looking forward to seeing the results when they come

:59:51.:59:54.

in. Nigel Farage seemed to indicate that Remain had the edge. They

:59:55.:59:59.

polled 10,000 people. The turnout in Wickham is three quarters, 50,000

:00:00.:00:03.

people. They have polled about a fifth of the electors of Wickham who

:00:04.:00:07.

voted today. That poll could easily be wrong. At the moment we have poor

:00:08.:00:10.

quality data. It's the best we've got. You are confident? I am. Steve

:00:11.:00:15.

Baker, thank you very much. That's it from Manchester for the moment,

:00:16.:00:16.

David. Let's have a look at the front of

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Broadcasting House. It's the only result we have had so far, and no

:00:25.:00:28.

surprise at all. It's sounding as though this may be a very close run

:00:29.:00:34.

result tonight on this referendum. It's just something like that.

:00:35.:00:38.

Because we are getting conflicting reports all the time. We had Nigel

:00:39.:00:45.

Farage saying he thought that Remain would win by a whisker, and then we

:00:46.:00:49.

have this report that Newcastle is well below expectations the Remain.

:00:50.:00:56.

We are waiting for the figures. This is the Newcastle count. It looks as

:00:57.:00:59.

though they have pretty well wrapped it up, but these things have to be

:01:00.:01:04.

well checked. The tellers, are they all from the two camps, Remain and

:01:05.:01:13.

Leave? I don't mean the counters, but the tellers. They will be there,

:01:14.:01:18.

and there will be people sampling. You tend to see people drifting

:01:19.:01:23.

around the room, looking nervously over the shoulders of the tellers,

:01:24.:01:27.

and watching as the size of the piles stacked up on the tables.

:01:28.:01:31.

There are always moments of huge anticipation. Sources in the outcome

:01:32.:01:36.

are saying to me that all of their sampling is looking better than they

:01:37.:01:42.

had expected it to. -- sources in the Out campaign. We are getting

:01:43.:01:46.

conflicting suggestions but in the last few minutes that has been what

:01:47.:01:50.

has been suggested to me. Their sampling is suggesting they are

:01:51.:01:54.

doing better than they thought. All of the people in recent days who

:01:55.:01:59.

asked us, when can I get an idea of what has happened? The answer is,

:02:00.:02:07.

not at midnight. I'm joined by an MP for the Scottish Nationalists. Nice

:02:08.:02:09.

of you to join us. With these whispers, a complex picture is

:02:10.:02:16.

starting to emerge. Just one result in, Gibraltar. Would you be

:02:17.:02:20.

surprised if Scotland wasn't quite as unified on this vote has many

:02:21.:02:25.

were predicting? It is hard to say so early in the evening, even if we

:02:26.:02:30.

are trying to make conjecture about what might happen across the rest of

:02:31.:02:34.

the UK. It's hard to say. I am pleased there has been a high

:02:35.:02:38.

turnout in Scotland. It's been predicted between 70 and 80%, not

:02:39.:02:45.

quite the 84.6 turnout in the independence referendum. We are very

:02:46.:02:48.

proud of the positive campaign we have fought, and I think that will

:02:49.:02:52.

reflect in a high turnout, and I am hopeful for a vote for Remain, but

:02:53.:03:01.

it's early. It is. If Scotland looks like Remain... We have a Newcastle

:03:02.:03:07.

result. Under the European Union Referendum Act 2015, and having been

:03:08.:03:15.

authorised to do so by the regional counting officer, I hereby give

:03:16.:03:18.

notice that I have certified the following. The total number of

:03:19.:03:29.

ballot papers counted was 120 9072. The total number of votes coast in

:03:30.:03:40.

favour of remaining was 65,404. The total number of votes cast in favour

:03:41.:03:55.

of Leave was 63,598. The total number of ballot papers rejected was

:03:56.:04:01.

as follows. No official mark, zero. Both answers voted for, 20. Writing

:04:02.:04:09.

or mark by which the voter could be identified, five. Unmarked or void

:04:10.:04:15.

for uncertainty, 44. The total number of ballot papers rejected was

:04:16.:04:21.

69. So there is the first result from England, and from within Great

:04:22.:04:30.

Britain that we have had. It shows the Leave campaign just a little bit

:04:31.:04:35.

behind Remain, not nearly as much behind that all of the experts had

:04:36.:04:40.

been saying we should expect from Newcastle upon Tyne. That is 49.3%

:04:41.:04:53.

for Leave, 15.7% for Remain. That could be very significant, because

:04:54.:04:57.

it is against the predictions that all the experts had made about what

:04:58.:05:00.

Newcastle upon Tyne would do. John, you were talking about

:05:01.:05:10.

students and people with degrees and that was why Newcastle were likely

:05:11.:05:14.

to be firmly in the Remain camp. Not so. That seems to be the case. The

:05:15.:05:18.

experts may have egg on their face litter tonight, or it may be that

:05:19.:05:23.

this is a first sign that the Remain side are not go to do as well as the

:05:24.:05:28.

early polls suggested. A couple of other things that might give the

:05:29.:05:32.

Remain side reason for concern - the first is that it looks as though the

:05:33.:05:37.

turnout is going to be over the 70% mark across the UK, but may be lower

:05:38.:05:42.

in Scotland than elsewhere in the UK. There has not been much of a

:05:43.:05:45.

campaign there, partly because virtually all of the politicians

:05:46.:05:49.

were in favour. That may work against the Remain side, given how

:05:50.:05:53.

pro Remain Scotland is expected to be. The second thing is that we have

:05:54.:05:57.

a lot of places now where they have declared their turnout, and it looks

:05:58.:06:01.

as though in places where there is a large number of pensioners, who we

:06:02.:06:06.

know are more likely to vote for Leave, that these places have seen a

:06:07.:06:09.

higher turnout than places where the age profile is younger. These are

:06:10.:06:16.

just straws in the wind, but they are firm straws in the wind. Downing

:06:17.:06:21.

Street was feeling relief at ten o'clock this evening when they heard

:06:22.:06:25.

the YouGov poll, but maybe the champagne has gone back in the

:06:26.:06:28.

fridge. We should say of course, that for all we have shown you

:06:29.:06:32.

cancel or Sunderland or wherever, in the end, every single vote counts.

:06:33.:06:38.

That is why Scotland is important because if Remain people have not

:06:39.:06:42.

turned up in Scotland, those votes are lost. Yes, the pattern of

:06:43.:06:47.

turnout in this referendum is as crucial as the number of votes cast.

:06:48.:07:00.

Let's see the Orkney Islands result. It is 37% for Leave. It was expected

:07:01.:07:14.

to be strong for Remain. We have not got Sunderland yet. Let's go to our

:07:15.:07:19.

reporter in Sunderland. Do you have the result? No, David, we don't have

:07:20.:07:31.

the result in Sunderland yet. They are keeping a close eye on

:07:32.:07:38.

Newcastle, the 1807 vote splits between Remain and Leave. We have

:07:39.:07:42.

spoken to remain campaigners here and they were quite pessimistic. We

:07:43.:07:45.

spoke to three Labour campaigners who were expecting a 60-40 split

:07:46.:07:51.

towards Leave. We are expecting the result in the next ten to 15

:07:52.:07:55.

minutes. What do they make of what happened in Newcastle? Very

:07:56.:08:04.

surprised at how close it was. Lots of raised eyebrows here from the

:08:05.:08:09.

counting officers. They are not expecting it to be as close here,

:08:10.:08:16.

but they are keeping a close eye on all the results. We are expecting a

:08:17.:08:21.

result here in the next ten to 15 minutes. Let's go to James Landale

:08:22.:08:26.

at the Remain headquarters. What is the reaction to that first result

:08:27.:08:33.

from Newcastle? Before that moment, there was a pretty optimistic mood

:08:34.:08:39.

here, but when they heard that result from Newcastle, there was a

:08:40.:08:43.

distinct sacking of teeth. A bit of the wind had been taken out of their

:08:44.:08:48.

sails. The mood is still hopeful. They have been saying they hope the

:08:49.:08:51.

economic argument has finally hit home, that the Labour vote has

:08:52.:08:58.

finally begun to harden. They also think that the Leave's immigration

:08:59.:09:02.

argument began to peter out towards the end of the campaign. But at the

:09:03.:09:09.

moment, the one thing that is worrying them is those postal votes.

:09:10.:09:14.

For them, that is one of the big unknowns. The mood is cautiously

:09:15.:09:22.

optimistic. But that last result made them think twice. We were

:09:23.:09:26.

talking about the postal votes here, and Laura, your view was that people

:09:27.:09:30.

thought the postal votes were largely to Leave. Absolutely. All

:09:31.:09:35.

the expectation about the postal votes was that they were coming in

:09:36.:09:39.

heavily for Leave. Do we know about the numbers? Not an exact number,

:09:40.:09:45.

but as we have seen in the turnout, very high turnout on postal votes,

:09:46.:09:52.

much higher than people expected. Somebody said in their area, it was

:09:53.:09:59.

as high as 40%. Maybe John Curtice knows. Do you know how many postal

:10:00.:10:04.

votes we are talking about if we are talking about them tending towards

:10:05.:10:09.

Leave? I think we are talking about 20% of the electorate as being

:10:10.:10:13.

registered to vote by post. We expect them to be disproportionately

:10:14.:10:17.

older people, so I don't think we should be surprised that they are

:10:18.:10:22.

strong for Leave. How many people have cast postal votes? The level of

:10:23.:10:28.

turnout amongst postal voters is always higher than the turnout among

:10:29.:10:31.

the country as a whole. How many people cast a postal vote? We have

:10:32.:10:36.

an Electra to 45 million and it is 20% of that. What is that? I am not

:10:37.:10:46.

that quick enough edition. John Curtice could not do a song! The

:10:47.:10:51.

nation falls over. Let's join Nick Watts at the headquarters for the

:10:52.:11:04.

Leave campaign. We just heard from Nigel Farage in rather chaotic

:11:05.:11:12.

scenes here. Conceded, unconceded? We can now say he is; ceded,

:11:13.:11:16.

although that might change when he sees the result from Newcastle. He

:11:17.:11:21.

is setting up a battle on two France. If Leave have lost comedy is

:11:22.:11:25.

setting up a battle against Vote Leave, but also a battle against the

:11:26.:11:30.

Conservative leadership, saying he will still continue this battle and

:11:31.:11:33.

will not give up and would be almost looking to Scotland and hoping would

:11:34.:11:37.

be in a never-ending referendum territory. I was also talking to

:11:38.:11:42.

Kate Hoey, one of the leading figures on the Labour Leave side,

:11:43.:11:45.

and she was saying when looking at the Newcastle result that that tells

:11:46.:11:49.

us the story of this campaign, that people only woke up to it at the

:11:50.:11:53.

latter stages, which is this disconnect between the leadership of

:11:54.:11:56.

the Labour Party, who are overwhelmingly in favour of EU

:11:57.:12:01.

membership, and the grassroots members, who do not share that view

:12:02.:12:04.

of the European Union. Just to clarify in case you are confused by

:12:05.:12:13.

these headquarters, this is Aaron Banks' website, which was not -- it

:12:14.:12:20.

was the headquarters of leave.EU, not to be confused with the official

:12:21.:12:25.

campaign, Vote Leave, who are not having a party. Until ten p.m., we

:12:26.:12:29.

were focused on getting out the vote. The campaign do not have time

:12:30.:12:36.

for champagne, they have been too hard-working. Emily. David, I am

:12:37.:12:46.

going to pick up with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, our MP from the

:12:47.:12:50.

Scottish Nationalists. The point John Curtice was making about

:12:51.:12:54.

turnout being central in Scotland and London. Orkney had 68%, lower

:12:55.:13:02.

than many would expect. Is it possible that the turnout was

:13:03.:13:06.

depressed because of this uniformity of message that was coming from all

:13:07.:13:12.

the leaders saying the same thing in Scotland? It is difficult to say.

:13:13.:13:16.

But it was positive that the leaders were united in their view that it is

:13:17.:13:20.

best for Scotland and best for the UK to remain within the EU. If you

:13:21.:13:24.

contrast that with the campaign we have seen across the UK, which

:13:25.:13:28.

unfortunately has been very much based on internal Tory party

:13:29.:13:31.

fighting, exacerbated further by a letter that Tory MPs found

:13:32.:13:37.

themselves required to sign asking Cameron to remain, we heard from

:13:38.:13:41.

Chris Grayling when he was talking about having been a signatory to

:13:42.:13:45.

this letter. But let's remember that there are government ministers that

:13:46.:13:49.

did not trust their leader's judgment on the issue of the EU

:13:50.:13:53.

referendum. So a lot of what has to be done within the Tory party

:13:54.:14:00.

whatever happens. There may yet be work for the Remain camp. We saw the

:14:01.:14:05.

result from Newcastle, a windfall Remain, but on a very slight margin.

:14:06.:14:11.

Does that put the panic into your camp? All of the results we have

:14:12.:14:16.

heard have been wins for Remain. We have such a long way to go.

:14:17.:14:20.

Everybody agrees it would be impossible to predict the results.

:14:21.:14:25.

Let's hope it benefits Scotland and the whole of the UK. Nicola Sturgeon

:14:26.:14:29.

suggested during the campaign that if there was a Leave vote, Scotland

:14:30.:14:33.

might decide it was time for a second referendum. It was a big

:14:34.:14:38.

enough event to trigger a second referendum on Scottish independence.

:14:39.:14:47.

If it is a Remain vote, with the SNP then put any thought of a referendum

:14:48.:14:52.

behind it? It will come as no surprise to you that the SNP want

:14:53.:14:57.

independence for Scotland. We would of course respect the result of the

:14:58.:15:02.

referendum we had in 2014, but it is a matter for the people of Scotland

:15:03.:15:05.

whether to have a second independence referendum. It is not

:15:06.:15:12.

for any politician to dictate to the people of Scotland when that should

:15:13.:15:17.

happen. But if it was a safe Remain vote, with that second referendum of

:15:18.:15:20.

independence for Scotland then be off the table? Independence for

:15:21.:15:24.

Scotland should never be off the table. It is the reason for being of

:15:25.:15:29.

the SNP. We would love Scotland to be an independent country within the

:15:30.:15:32.

EU, with our own voice and sit at the table, batting for Scotland at

:15:33.:15:41.

every juncture. Amber Rudd, before you leave us to make way for another

:15:42.:15:46.

guest, are you a bit uneasy about what has come through? I am going to

:15:47.:15:51.

be uneasy until we have a final result. It is going to be a long

:15:52.:15:56.

night, but we remain hopeful that we read a good case for people to stay

:15:57.:16:01.

in. But I asked whether you were feeling uneasy about the Newcastle

:16:02.:16:07.

result. It is the only result we have had, and according to John

:16:08.:16:11.

Curtice, who has been working this out, leaving aside Gibraltar, he has

:16:12.:16:15.

been working this out for months and it should have been a much bigger

:16:16.:16:20.

gap between Leave and Remain. As you say, there are 380 of these results

:16:21.:16:25.

to come in. So yes, I am uneasy, but I have been uneasy from the moment

:16:26.:16:31.

the polls closed. I don't judge anything from that particular

:16:32.:16:33.

results because there are so many more to come. You don't think your

:16:34.:16:38.

campaign has been as effective as you would have liked? It was never

:16:39.:16:42.

going to be a walkover. We always knew it would be tight. When David

:16:43.:16:45.

Cameron made his Bloomberg speech and polls were taken after that,

:16:46.:16:48.

more people were thinking they wanted to leave that state. It was

:16:49.:16:52.

always going to be tight. It is an important issue. We have had three

:16:53.:16:58.

results, Orkney as well, voting to Remain. Newcastle upon Tyne, Remain

:16:59.:17:12.

down to 50.7. And Gibraltar, 95.9%. That is how things stand. Something

:17:13.:17:20.

we are hearing from tasters of results coming in from elsewhere,

:17:21.:17:25.

Sunderland and Crawley are looking good for Leave. As we came on air,

:17:26.:17:32.

we had cautious optimism from people like Amber from Remain who thought

:17:33.:17:36.

they were safer. But suggestions are coming in that Leave are looking at

:17:37.:17:42.

big wins in some areas. I should explain the bottom half of our

:17:43.:17:46.

screen. You saw Clackmannanshire going through voting to Remain. We

:17:47.:17:52.

will have each of these counting areas showing as the results come

:17:53.:18:02.

through. In the bottom right, Remain lead by 27,000 256. At this stage,

:18:03.:18:09.

there is not -- that is not a figure you can attach much importance to.

:18:10.:18:13.

It will change as the figures come through. At some point, when we get

:18:14.:18:17.

an idea of how many people voted, we will be able to give an indication

:18:18.:18:21.

of how many votes are needed to win one way or the other. But at this

:18:22.:18:26.

stage, it is just a figure to keep an eye on. Don't ask me why we chose

:18:27.:18:34.

those colours for Leave and Remain. They are the colours of the European

:18:35.:18:39.

Union flag. They are just colours we chose for tonight. We cannot use

:18:40.:18:43.

blue for the Conservatives and yellow for the Liberals.

:18:44.:18:55.

Now, we are joined by Ruth Davidson, the hero of the debate at Wembley,

:18:56.:19:03.

it seems other with people saying you should stand for the Westminster

:19:04.:19:07.

Parliament on the strength of that and fight for the leadership of the

:19:08.:19:11.

Conservative Party in the UK as a whole, not just in Scotland. I think

:19:12.:19:15.

people are forgetting that with the devolution settlement we have in

:19:16.:19:18.

Scotland, the job I am doing in Holyrood is a pretty big job. I get

:19:19.:19:24.

to stand up to Nicola Sturgeon, a big job in itself. I am happy where

:19:25.:19:32.

I am. What do you make of the argument we were hearing just now

:19:33.:19:36.

that Scotland may have a slightly low turnout, people may not have

:19:37.:19:42.

been excited by the campaign in Scotland? Let me come back to you.

:19:43.:19:44.

We have a result from Sunderland. The accounting officer for the

:19:45.:19:55.

Sunderland boating area at the referendum held on 23rd of June 2016

:19:56.:20:03.

under the European Union Referendum Act 2015 and, having been authorised

:20:04.:20:08.

to do so by the regional accounting officer, I hereby give notice that I

:20:09.:20:12.

have certified the following. The total number of ballot papers

:20:13.:20:21.

counted was 134,400. The total number of votes cast in favour of

:20:22.:20:29.

Remain was 51,930. The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was

:20:30.:20:39.

82,000... . CHEERING DROWNED SPEECH

:20:40.:20:59.

The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was 82,000 394. The

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number of ballot papers rejected was as followed. No official mark, zero.

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Both answers voted for,... Right, we've now had this second result in.

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Let's just go to Jeremy Vine and see, and I'll come back to you,

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Ruth, in just a second. Let's go and see where these two results fit in

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with the pattern you fit there, where they go on your slide rule, as

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I think of it. To save these results are interesting is an

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understatement. Let's quickly go through what we know. If you look at

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the map, we've had results from the very north of the country, Orkney,

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to write at the foot of the map, Gibraltar, with that very strong

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Remain result. A 90% margin for Remain in Gibraltar, that's right

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down the end of our index. Remember, this index was built to show us how

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Eurosceptical 382 counting areas were. We've had those two results

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from Newcastle and Sunderland, not glossing over Orkney and Gerald, but

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there are very few voters there. Newcastle and Sunderland in a lot of

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votes. Let's try and work out where they fit into our index and what

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they mean. Newcastle, a strong Remain. According to our index, it's

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one of the 40 most likely to vote for Remain, so beside it you can

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seek Orkney and Gibraltar at the end, but we are focusing on

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Newcastle. Looking at that, you expect a sizeable margin to remain

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in Newcastle. Let's have a look at what happened. Look at how close

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that is. It's nothing like what our index suggested, barely 1% in it,

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and now, it could be that, as John Curtice was saying, that when we

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analysed Newcastle, we missed something, that actually there was a

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strong, latent Leave vote in Newcastle which the data didn't

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suggest. I'm putting it out as a dramatic outlier. It looked like a

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strong Remain place and it isn't. Now Sunderland, in a different

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position on the board. It is actually a little way into Leave.

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There are 382 areas, so it isn't a long way in, but you'd expect a

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solid margin for Leave in Sunderland. Let's look at what we

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actually saw. You can see 61% for Leave and 39% for Remain. So 20 or

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more points gap. Looking at our board, you'd think that a bit more

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than Leave and we might have been expecting. It's not that far off the

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centre, Sunderland. You might have expected it to be tighter. These

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results are given us something to think about. We are looking at the

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index, wondering about our order. We are thinking, is the Leave vote

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stronger than anyone was thinking? We will find out but, my goodness,

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Newcastle and Sunderland... Don't anyone go to bed yet! The markets

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have been very sensitive over the last few days. Kamal Ahmed is here.

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You have news that these results have already affected the markets.

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There are some relatively sweaty traders out there tonight. A lot of

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strength in sterling earlier on, after the polls suggested Remain had

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done very well. In the last few minutes, sterling has come down

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markedly of a high of $1 50, its highest in the year. It has fallen

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by three or 4 cents in the last few minutes. Traders are sitting there,

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looking at result in Newcastle and Sunderland, and thinking, and one a

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minute, maybe those polls are a little bit too optimistic for

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Remain. We are in the wrong position on sterling. Sterling would be

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expected to fall markedly if Britain left the EU. They may be on the

:25:25.:25:28.

wrong side of this trade at the moment. There is some significant

:25:29.:25:32.

selling. What you are going to get over the next few hours is great

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volatility for sterling. They are making a lot of money while they are

:25:38.:25:40.

doing this is to mock somebody will be. Just to explain the point, why,

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if it is a vote for Leave, will sterling fall? Investors will think

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it could be bad for the UK economy. The economists say, if Britain left

:25:57.:26:01.

the EU, that could become in the short term at least, bad for the UK

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economy, and investor sentiment might turn against Britain. Britain

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runs a current account deficit. As Mark Connolly, governor of the Bank

:26:11.:26:16.

of England, said, we need the kindness of strangers to support our

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debts. -- mark Carney. If people start thinking that they are not

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sure about the UK economy, it would mean that sterling started falling.

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But you will be keeping an eye on it? I will. We can rejoin Ruth

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Davidson. Thank you for your patience. The leader of the Scottish

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Conservatives. I was asking whether there was a worry in Scotland that

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the Remain camp and the people who wanted Remain might not have pulled

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their weight, because the campaign itself was rather lacklustre. In

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Scotland, we are looking at a turnout not as high as the

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independence referendum, which was 85%, extraordinarily high by

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democratic event in the UK, but it is looking as though it is running

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around or above 70%, higher than Scottish Parliamentary elections

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last month and the general election. I think it's been a pretty good

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turnout. Are you disconcerted by the news so far from the two English

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results we have had? I think it's a little bit early to tell. Five out

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of 382 declared, two of them in Scotland, Clackmannanshire and

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Orkney, one of them in the middle of the central belt, one in the

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northern isles. That isn't enough to tell us about Scotland and I don't

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think two seats from the north-east is enough to tell us about all of

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England. They are not seats, just numbers of votes. Sorry, local

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authority areas. I am in election mode! In those areas, I don't think

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that is enough for us to say. In terms of Scotland, you will find

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catchiness across the country. In Dumfries and Galloway and the

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south-west and the Moray Firth, you will find it closed a 50-50. You may

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get a surprise in the Western Isles which, in 1975, voted against. The

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rest of the country, places like my constituency in Edinburgh, you seen

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votes that look as though it will come out about 3-1, more than 70%

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for In. It will be a mixed picture. Just a word that the Conservative

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Party, do you see it as something in Scotland very separate from

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Westminster? If the Conservative Party in Westminster goes into

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turmoil, with only one MP from north of the border, if it goes into

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turmoil over this, would you distance the Scottish Conservative

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Party and say, look, we are really involved in politics in Scotland,

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and you can have chaos in the south if you want, but we will go our own

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way and work out our own policies and our own election stance. When I

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fought my leadership election, it was on a platform of keeping our

:29:10.:29:13.

party together. While we are devolved in Scotland and I have

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responsibility for lots of areas, it is to be a part of the UK

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Conservative Party. I don't accept the premise of your question. We as

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a party have much more that keeps us together than divides us. It has

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been a passionate debate but remember, a year ago, my colleagues

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in London were elected on a manifesto to govern, a manifesto to

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have a referendum on the European Union. We have carried that out. We

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will respect the result, whichever it is. And after that, as democrats,

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we will respect the will of the people of this country, come back

:29:49.:29:51.

together, and governed to the manifesto on which we were elected.

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Judging by what you said in Wembley arena, you don't have much respect

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for Boris Johnson. I don't think you could take that at all. There was no

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personal invective. It was a passionate debate on the issues.

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They have been good, hearty issues to talk about, the economy,

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immigration, security, this country's played in the world. Wedge

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saying, you have lied about Europe, you have lied about Turkey. The

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campaign. That is what I was saying. The campaign had made contestable

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claims. I think that, you know, when all of the dust settles, we should

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be able to look at a passionate campaign that was carried out in a

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way to bring those arguments to people in the country but then come

:30:42.:30:45.

back together as a party and Govan to the manifesto to which my

:30:46.:30:52.

colleagues were elected. -- and to govern. Are you concerned about the

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state of the Conservative Party is to mock some of the younger

:30:57.:31:00.

elements... Myself, I don't remember the Maastricht years for stuff I

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have plenty of colleagues from recent intakes that haven't seen a

:31:06.:31:08.

previous issue regarding Europe in my party. I know with broadcasters

:31:09.:31:15.

like a longer -- with a longer track record like to point to it. We want

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to get on with the job we were elected to do. European politics

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isn't what drives us. It is about social mobility, managing the

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economy, reforming public services, giving people opportunities and

:31:29.:31:31.

helping with education, for people to be able to advance themselves and

:31:32.:31:36.

bring the country and themselves up. This is what drives us, not carrying

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out a European feud. We are joined by Leanne Wood from Plaid Cymru in

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Wales. What is the story, as far as you can tell, about what is

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happening in Wales? There has been a lot of talk. First of all, it was

:31:52.:31:56.

going to be absolutely Remain, then people started saying it might be

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Leave, and then Ukip did well in the AM elections. What do you think is

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happening? I think it is going to be close. It looks as though those

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areas suffering from deprivation and poverty the most are the ones who

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are strongest in favour of the Remain position was that I think

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that, you know, we just had a Welsh Assembly election, and there was a

:32:23.:32:27.

strong feeling there that people wanted change, and I think that this

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referendum is given an opportunity for that voice to carry on being

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put. But it is a wake-up call, I think, for the entire political

:32:38.:32:42.

class. It's clear that things can't just carry on as they are, the

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status quo can't just continue. Something needs to give. What we

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need to do, from Plaid Cymru's perspective, is to strengthen the

:32:52.:32:55.

Welsh Assembly now and to make sure that we've got an institution that

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can deliver for people in a way that politics isn't delivered in at the

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moment. Thank you. We got more news about a pound. It has taken a

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hammering since that Sunderland result, which seems to suggest that

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Leave might be doing a lot better. It is down 6% in the last few

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minutes. That is a hammer ring we will not have seen on the market

:33:22.:33:26.

since 2008 and the financial crisis. That is a significant move. Earlier

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on this evening, I wrote that, if the markets have got this wrong with

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their positive sense that Remain was doing well, there would be an

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almighty correction in the value of sterling into the market this

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morning and into Friday. And, boy, are we seeing that. Everybody is

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going to be watching the next few results to see if that Sunderland

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result was an outlier, but certainly a lot traders and thought that

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Remain had a very good night are now selling out of sterling as quickly

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as they can. The grafts are remarkable, almost vertically down

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at the moment, sterling. -- the graphs. We are joined by the Labour

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MP for Wallasey and a Ukip MEP for south-east England, but we have to

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get the latest news first. So, we go back to Broadcasting House and the

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results as we have them at the moment. Unfortunately, the result

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you see is on the right-hand side the building and we can't exactly

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see it from here. It comes. -- here it comes. That is a helpful comment.

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But it looks beautiful, lovely lights. This is how it stands at the

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moment. That is 50.5 four Leave and 40.54 Remain at the moment. -- 50.5

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four Leave and 49.5 to Remain. Counting is under way of tens

:35:15.:35:22.

of millions of votes in the EU referendum, with a handful

:35:23.:35:26.

of results being declared. In the last few minutes,

:35:27.:35:28.

Sunderland have voted to leave Newcastle, which was one

:35:29.:35:31.

of the first to declare, backed Remain by a very

:35:32.:35:34.

narrow margin of 1%. 46 million people nationwide

:35:35.:35:36.

were eligible to vote, Here's our Political Correspondent

:35:37.:35:38.

Eleanor Garnier and her report It was the moment

:35:39.:35:42.

polling stations closed. declare, Gibraltar, with a disaster

:35:43.:36:07.

vote in favour of Remain. Not long after, Newcastle, with a narrow win

:36:08.:36:15.

for Remain. 65,000 404. A much smaller wind than expected. But in

:36:16.:36:19.

Sunderland, a huge win for Leave, with 61%. At a Leave campaign party,

:36:20.:36:27.

the Ukip leader remained defensive. Win or lose this battle tonight, we

:36:28.:36:33.

will win this war. We will get our country back. We will get our

:36:34.:36:36.

independence back, and we will get our borders back. Thank you. With

:36:37.:36:42.

only a trickle of results in, politicians are keeping their

:36:43.:36:45.

fingers crossed. We are proud in Scotland of the positive campaign we

:36:46.:36:49.

have fought, and that will reflect a high turnout and I am hopeful for a

:36:50.:36:56.

vote for Remain. Tonight it has emerged that prominent Leave

:36:57.:36:59.

campaigners Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are among a group of

:37:00.:37:03.

MPs who have signed a letter calling on David Cameron to carry on,

:37:04.:37:07.

whatever the result. It has been a ferocious and fractious campaign,

:37:08.:37:11.

and there are wounds that need to be healed.

:37:12.:37:13.

Following the first results, the pound has fallen dramatically.

:37:14.:37:15.

Initially it rose on expectations that the UK would stay in the EU

:37:16.:37:18.

When the New York Stock Exchange closed,

:37:19.:37:21.

the pound was trading at just under $1.49 but it has fallen as low

:37:22.:37:28.

The FTSE-100 share index also closed up over 1% today.

:37:29.:37:34.

A man has been jailed for life for plotting a beheading

:37:35.:37:36.

on the streets of London, inspired by so-called

:37:37.:37:38.

Islamic State, which could have targeted a poppy seller.

:37:39.:37:41.

23-year-old Nadir Syed was arrested in November 2014,

:37:42.:37:45.

Teachers in England are to stage a one-day strike on the 5th July

:37:46.:37:52.

The Government described the action by the National Union of Teachers

:37:53.:37:58.

More from our education correspondent, Gillian Hargreaves.

:37:59.:38:04.

The teaching unions say there are too many, in their words,

:38:05.:38:07.

huge cuts to school budgets and there is discontent over

:38:08.:38:12.

The acting general secretary of the National Union of Teachers

:38:13.:38:19.

said teachers can't go on like this without significant change.

:38:20.:38:22.

The Government say this is unnecessary, it's damaging,

:38:23.:38:26.

and they are perfectly happy to talk to the unions about this and try

:38:27.:38:29.

There is that strike planned for 5th July and more planned

:38:30.:38:39.

serious flooding in parts of London and in south-east England.

:38:40.:38:48.

Several commuter and Underground lines in the capital suffered

:38:49.:38:51.

There were more problems this evening as commuters tried to get

:38:52.:38:54.

One of the world's longest running civil wars, in Colombia,

:38:55.:38:58.

has been brought to an end after more than 50

:38:59.:39:00.

The so-called FARC rebels have signed a deal to lay

:39:01.:39:03.

down their arms following three years of negotiations.

:39:04.:39:12.

As I said a moment ago, I am joined by Diane James and Angela eagle and

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Vernon Bogner, professor of government at King's College in

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London. This is a dramatic story that seems to be unfolding here.

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Angela, what do you make of it? It is too early to tell. We have known

:39:46.:39:50.

all the way through that this was going to be a result on a knife

:39:51.:39:53.

edge. The polls have been all over the place and after last year's

:39:54.:39:57.

general election, we don't even know whether to believe the polls. My

:39:58.:40:03.

experience out campaigning, insomuch as you can get experience of 46

:40:04.:40:07.

million votes, is that it has been pretty close. And we are seeing that

:40:08.:40:18.

with the initial results. Your Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell,

:40:19.:40:22.

has said that the result from Sunderland was almost likely to be a

:40:23.:40:27.

by-election protest vote. In other words, the scale of the exit of the

:40:28.:40:35.

No vote. He said people are cheesed off and migration is a big issue. Do

:40:36.:40:41.

you agree? Yes, but we also have a protest from communities that have

:40:42.:40:47.

been under the most pressure. And the Leave campaign have scapegoated

:40:48.:40:51.

the European Union as the cause of that pressure, whereas actually, the

:40:52.:40:54.

cause of a lot of that pressure is the cuts and the Conservative

:40:55.:40:58.

policies which have put the most pressure on the most vulnerable

:40:59.:41:03.

communities. I think that if Leave wins, they will have been successful

:41:04.:41:07.

at getting people who are under enormous pressure in their own

:41:08.:41:10.

communities to blame the European Union as a scapegoat, rather than

:41:11.:41:14.

blame the national Conservative government. Diane James, you have

:41:15.:41:20.

conned them if they vote to leave? I don't think so at all. Let me take a

:41:21.:41:27.

different viewpoint. You have highlighted that this is the Nissan

:41:28.:41:33.

car plant. Nissan was one of those companies that was effectively asked

:41:34.:41:36.

by the Prime Minister to write a letter to the employees, and what

:41:37.:41:40.

you are seeing here is the reaction to that, which I understand has been

:41:41.:41:45.

widespread across the country, where people have taken offence at being

:41:46.:41:53.

directed to do something, and that message has been undermined at a

:41:54.:41:59.

later stage. There is a classic he in terms of the German CBI

:42:00.:42:03.

equivalent today saying there will not be any terrorists or negative

:42:04.:42:07.

reaction in terms of trade between the two countries. I don't agree

:42:08.:42:14.

with Angela at all on this about conning or trying to blame the EU.

:42:15.:42:21.

The Leave campaign has presented quite accurately what the issue is

:42:22.:42:25.

in terms of immigration and linking it to the freedom of movement. The

:42:26.:42:31.

fact that Turkey is going to join any minute wasn't accurate. There

:42:32.:42:38.

were Leave leaflets put out which hinted strongly that Syria and Iraq

:42:39.:42:41.

were going to join the European Union. This is a post truth kind of

:42:42.:42:49.

campaign, and it has played on people'sfears and has divided the

:42:50.:42:55.

country. Whatever the result, the Prime Minister needs to realise that

:42:56.:43:00.

he cannot keep imposing the worst burdens of cuts on the communities

:43:01.:43:03.

that are least able to cope with them. Vernon, watching the results

:43:04.:43:10.

as they have come in, do you think it will be a tight run thing

:43:11.:43:17.

tonight? Indications from the early results are that Leave is doing much

:43:18.:43:21.

better than one would have predicted. The tight result in

:43:22.:43:24.

Newcastle, where Remain could have hoped for a large victory, because

:43:25.:43:28.

we are told that university towns and graduates are strongly in favour

:43:29.:43:34.

of Remain, the large victory for Leave in Sunderland and also the

:43:35.:43:37.

predicted low turnout in Scotland are all good indications for the

:43:38.:43:45.

Leave camp. It is no more than a possibility, but we do have to face

:43:46.:43:49.

the possibility that Leave will win this referendum and Britain will

:43:50.:43:52.

leave the European Union. Whether that happens or not, it is obviously

:43:53.:43:58.

a close result. One cannot deny that it is a real kick to the British

:43:59.:44:01.

establishment, because all three party leaders have favoured a Remain

:44:02.:44:08.

vote. Businesses have favoured a Remain vote, the financial leaders

:44:09.:44:13.

have favoured a Remain vote. The people have not taken their advice,

:44:14.:44:17.

it appears. The latest results are on the screen. Sunderland,

:44:18.:44:23.

Clackmannanshire, Orkney, Newcastle upon Tyne. We go now to North

:44:24.:44:41.

Warwickshire and join our reporter. What do you have for us? In the last

:44:42.:44:49.

few moments, I have spoken with the Leave campaign here, who has been

:44:50.:44:53.

wandering around with his clipboard. The story appears to be that the

:44:54.:44:57.

Leave vote is much stronger than expected. He has just upgraded his

:44:58.:45:04.

estimate. He believes the spit is 70-30 in favour of Leave. I have

:45:05.:45:11.

been talking to the Conservative MP here, Craig Tracy, and he has been

:45:12.:45:14.

having a chat with his counterparts up the road, who have also been

:45:15.:45:19.

campaigning to Leave in Nuneaton and Bedworth. The estimates there are as

:45:20.:45:24.

high as 80-20 in favour of Leave. The count he is going swiftly. We

:45:25.:45:30.

expect the result by 1.30. I have also spoken to Mike O'Brien, the

:45:31.:45:34.

former Labour MP who held his seat number of years ago. He has been

:45:35.:45:37.

campaigning to Remain, but he shrugged his shoulders earlier when

:45:38.:45:41.

chatting with me and saying it was always going to be an uphill task

:45:42.:45:45.

trying to convert people who want to leave to the Remain. Let's join Luke

:45:46.:45:56.

Walton in Hartlepool. What is the message you are getting there? What

:45:57.:46:00.

we have been getting so far in all the places we have had is that the

:46:01.:46:05.

strength of Leave is greater than people anticipated. It looks like it

:46:06.:46:13.

is going to be a good result for Leave in Hartlepool. It was always

:46:14.:46:18.

expected that there would be a Leave lead, but now we are respecting as

:46:19.:46:23.

much as 70% of votes to go to Leave, possibly more. Great despondency

:46:24.:46:28.

among the Remain campaigners, Leave very buoyant. It was always going to

:46:29.:46:33.

be a happy hunting ground for Leave, because Ukip are strong here. They

:46:34.:46:37.

came second in the general election and have been picking up council

:46:38.:46:41.

seats. Nonetheless, Leave have been happy with the way the campaign have

:46:42.:46:46.

gone. They say immigration is coming up on the doorstep, even though

:46:47.:46:49.

Hartlepool has a small number of EU migrants. They are also picking up

:46:50.:46:54.

general anger about the state of the local economy, decline of local

:46:55.:46:58.

industry, perhaps the closure of the blast furnace in Redcar was a

:46:59.:47:03.

factor. And also more general frustration about the political

:47:04.:47:08.

class, a sense of wanting to put one over on politicians, a sense that

:47:09.:47:12.

the EU was a cash cow that they were paying for. There is a generalised

:47:13.:47:19.

feeling that I am picking up in Hartlepool and across the

:47:20.:47:22.

north-east. We are expecting the declaration in about an hour. I

:47:23.:47:27.

think 70% or thereabouts is where we are heading. Let's look at this

:47:28.:47:33.

chart, which gives a dramatic picture of sterling. I suspect it

:47:34.:47:41.

may have gone down since then. That is the fall in sterling on the basis

:47:42.:47:49.

of the few results we have had. Sunderland and Newcastle. And what

:47:50.:47:52.

we are hearing from North Warwickshire and Nuneaton will not

:47:53.:47:57.

have done much good. I have just received an expectation that in

:47:58.:48:01.

Lewisham in London, Remain might have it by as much as 83%. That

:48:02.:48:06.

contrasts with what we heard from North Warwickshire of 80-20 to

:48:07.:48:13.

Leave. It may be that we end up with a pattern, London versus the rest of

:48:14.:48:19.

the country. Maybe London becomes its own country. People have

:48:20.:48:26.

sincerely talked about London being such a powerhouse that it itself

:48:27.:48:33.

feels that it shouldn't be bound I watched the rest of the country

:48:34.:48:38.

thinks. Gaps as the professor was suggesting, whatever the final

:48:39.:48:44.

result is, the closeness of this suggests that it is a big kick in

:48:45.:48:48.

the teeth to the establishment, which is nearly all based in London.

:48:49.:48:52.

We have had a result from foil in Northern Ireland. These results will

:48:53.:48:56.

all be added together before we got a formal Northern Ireland should

:48:57.:49:04.

result. It is a strong nationalist area, where we would have expected

:49:05.:49:12.

this. Let's join Emily again. We can speak to Ed Miliband, the former

:49:13.:49:18.

Labour leader, your thoughts on the Sunderland result, was that a shock?

:49:19.:49:26.

Well, it is early, but what we are seeing in some Labour areas is two

:49:27.:49:31.

things going on. There is concern about immigration, and then there is

:49:32.:49:35.

wider concern about the direction of the country. Knocking on doors in my

:49:36.:49:39.

constituency today, I don't know what the result will be there yet

:49:40.:49:43.

but lots of people are concerned about immigration, that they are

:49:44.:49:47.

raising a whole set of issues about the NHS, about that kid the Mac life

:49:48.:49:52.

chances. And we have said throughout this campaign that it is not a

:49:53.:49:56.

referendum about David Cameron. Some people are pressing unhappiness with

:49:57.:50:01.

the government as well as issues in Europe, but it is early days. Who

:50:02.:50:04.

knows where we will end up? It suggests that the Labour Remain

:50:05.:50:15.

line hasn't worked well with Labour voters in the north-east. As you

:50:16.:50:20.

say, we've got results from some parts of the north-east and its

:50:21.:50:25.

early. Who knows whether the goals are right, but they all indicate

:50:26.:50:30.

that Labour voters will vote perhaps by a substantial margin for us to

:50:31.:50:34.

remain in the European Union, while Conservative voters will vote for us

:50:35.:50:38.

to leave. I think we have to remember the context. But, look, of

:50:39.:50:43.

course there are lessons, whatever the result, to be learned by the

:50:44.:50:48.

Labour Party, but not just on the issue of immigration, a whole wider

:50:49.:50:52.

set of things for Labour, but also for the government, about what

:50:53.:50:55.

people are saying about the state of the country, their unhappiness with

:50:56.:51:00.

some of the things happening in the country, a sense of pain and anger

:51:01.:51:04.

that is out there, some of which is being expressed in this referendum.

:51:05.:51:10.

I wonder what you make of Jeremy Corbyn's remarks last Sunday, that

:51:11.:51:15.

there should be no top cap on immigration. He appeared to play

:51:16.:51:19.

well with Labour in parts of the north-east, but to think that was a

:51:20.:51:25.

mistake? I think you can't say it is about a single remark. I think

:51:26.:51:30.

Jeremy's centre of gravity on Europe, to have scepticism about

:51:31.:51:35.

some parts of the European project and how it has been executed, but

:51:36.:51:39.

overall to be four Remain, I think that is where a lot of people are. I

:51:40.:51:44.

think there are a deep set of issues that have been building for a long

:51:45.:51:49.

time, and a lot of this is about people thinking, we are unhappy

:51:50.:51:52.

about the state of the country and the direction it is going in and,

:51:53.:51:55.

inevitably, a referendum becomes about the specific issue, but also

:51:56.:52:02.

about a much wider set of things. If Doncaster votes to leave, what will

:52:03.:52:09.

that tell you? That there is a lot of listening and work that needs to

:52:10.:52:13.

be done, that it will be an expression, as I say, of people's

:52:14.:52:19.

concerns. Lots of people feel it is an unequal, divided country and they

:52:20.:52:23.

are angry about it. I happen to agree with them, but I don't think

:52:24.:52:29.

the answer is to vote Leave. Of course for the Labour Party, but for

:52:30.:52:33.

all of politics, in particular the government, if this is a Remain

:52:34.:52:38.

vote, I really hope that David Cameron recognises the anger,

:52:39.:52:41.

division and pain there is in lots of parts of the country but what is

:52:42.:52:46.

happening, and I hope he tries to address that, because inequality and

:52:47.:52:50.

division is a big part of this result, whichever way it goes. What

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about the tone of the campaign? People we spoke to said they were

:52:56.:53:02.

very much going towards Remain until they heard the bullying, for

:53:03.:53:05.

example, the Chancellor and his threats of vinyl verity -- of an

:53:06.:53:12.

austerity budget. Do you wish those parts of the campaign shouldn't have

:53:13.:53:17.

been run the way they work? Inevitably, when you are arguing for

:53:18.:53:23.

the status quo, as the Remain side were, at least that part of the

:53:24.:53:27.

campaign led by the Conservatives, inevitably there and up being

:53:28.:53:30.

warnings about leaving, and I think a lot of those were right. I think,

:53:31.:53:36.

you know, a positive message, more of a positive message was always

:53:37.:53:40.

something the Labour Party was trying to get across, not just

:53:41.:53:43.

remaining in the EU but also reforming it in various ways, but I

:53:44.:53:47.

think it's too easy to criticise campaigns. There is deep and out

:53:48.:53:52.

there and some of that is being expressed in how people are voting.

:53:53.:53:58.

The Isles of Scilly, the result has been declared. Not very many votes

:53:59.:54:06.

here, but nevertheless, 621, 803, the smallest counting area. 44%

:54:07.:54:16.

Leave, 56% Remain. We are waiting for Swindon, which I think we may

:54:17.:54:22.

get. I stress that these are not constituencies, we are just

:54:23.:54:26.

gradually accumulating numbers. Diane James, if it goes the way that

:54:27.:54:32.

it may go, towards a narrow victory to Leave, what would the next step

:54:33.:54:37.

speed, in your view? I would hope that David Cameron, given that he

:54:38.:54:41.

has had this letter from a number of MPs, will continue as Prime

:54:42.:54:46.

Minister. That might surprise some people to hear me say that, but he

:54:47.:54:50.

has at least undertaken this referendum, some from the country

:54:51.:54:54.

has wanted for a long time. He will have heard, he will have received

:54:55.:54:58.

the signal from the population that we want to leave the EU, and I hope

:54:59.:55:03.

he would then form a top team, possibly split into two, but part of

:55:04.:55:08.

the team going to Brussels, starting the negotiations that are sorely

:55:09.:55:12.

needed, and the other part back in the UK handling the civil service

:55:13.:55:18.

and all those aspects. He has said that, if it is Brexit, he will

:55:19.:55:23.

trigger the two-year period, chapter 15, article 50, which only he can

:55:24.:55:29.

trigger. That gives you two years. Are you suggesting he shouldn't do

:55:30.:55:36.

that yet? He has two options, he could straightforwardly repeal the

:55:37.:55:40.

European Union at, and my understanding, from some of the

:55:41.:55:43.

Conservative MPs I have shared the stage with at events, their view is

:55:44.:55:49.

that that was the preference, but that article 50 is a very clear

:55:50.:55:54.

message to Brussels and to President Juncker that we are serious, and of

:55:55.:55:58.

course that kick-starts the negotiation process. At least with

:55:59.:56:03.

invoking article 50, we know where we stand, in terms of kick-starting

:56:04.:56:07.

the process, giving two years and a certain amount of reasonableness,

:56:08.:56:15.

maybe six months. We are waiting for Swindon to come in and I may

:56:16.:56:19.

interrupt you. It seems there are a number of options, if it were to go

:56:20.:56:25.

to Leave. The only legal and constitutional option is laid down

:56:26.:56:30.

by the EU, the article 50 procedure is that David Cameron tells the

:56:31.:56:33.

European council of the British voters' decision. They are meeting

:56:34.:56:39.

next week. Some people say that should be deployed -- delayed, but

:56:40.:56:44.

he says he will do it as quickly as possible. There is a larger

:56:45.:56:48.

question, if there is a vote to leave, and it is too early to

:56:49.:56:51.

predict that, he will have been given instructions by the British

:56:52.:56:54.

people to do something he doesn't want to do. Would he be the British

:56:55.:56:59.

-- the best person to negotiate British exit? Accounting officer in

:57:00.:57:04.

Swindon at the referendum held on 23rd of June 2016 under the European

:57:05.:57:12.

Union Referendum Act 2015, having been authorised to do so by the

:57:13.:57:17.

regional counting officer, I did notice that I have certified the

:57:18.:57:20.

following. The total number of ballot papers counted was 113,060.

:57:21.:57:29.

The number of votes cast in favour of remaining in of the EU was 51,000

:57:30.:57:37.

220. The number of votes cast in favour of leaving the EU was 61,745.

:57:38.:57:45.

The number of ballot papers rejected was as follows, both answers voted

:57:46.:57:53.

for, 33, writing or mark by which a person could be identified, five,

:57:54.:57:59.

unmarked or void for uncertainty, 57, and the total number of ballot

:58:00.:58:08.

papers rejected was 95. Thank you. Swindon, you can read that on the

:58:09.:58:17.

screen. The Leave side 55%, 45% to Remain. Jeremy, I think that is

:58:18.:58:22.

pretty much in line with what you were expecting for Swindon, what you

:58:23.:58:27.

and John Curtice were expecting from Swindon. Do you want to take us

:58:28.:58:33.

through when you have got to? Let's compare it to Sunderland. When

:58:34.:58:36.

Sunderland and Newcastle came in, the shock of this in the studio,

:58:37.:58:42.

because Leave had done so much more and so dramatically better than our

:58:43.:58:47.

index suggested or our knowledge of those counting areas suggested, so

:58:48.:58:50.

we are now seeing it stabilised a little more. We are in for a long

:58:51.:58:56.

night, no question. Let me show you Sunderland. Let's remind ourselves

:58:57.:58:59.

of where that is. The midway point on our index is where you'd expect

:59:00.:59:05.

it to be, a 50-50 result, if the result across the nation is 50-50.

:59:06.:59:11.

Here, we see Sunderland, into Leave territory but not by much. Let's

:59:12.:59:14.

remind ourselves of the Sunderland result and how dramatic it was to

:59:15.:59:20.

Leave. More than 20% gap in Sunderland. That is a better

:59:21.:59:25.

performance to Leave than we might have expected in Sunderland. But now

:59:26.:59:31.

we have Swindon. Let's have a look. If you look at the algorithms that

:59:32.:59:36.

we use, that we were talking about earlier, our analysis of the

:59:37.:59:40.

counting areas based on how many pensioners, who tend to vote Out,

:59:41.:59:47.

and graduates, who tend to vote In, ethnic minority voters, Ukip voters

:59:48.:59:53.

etc. We ended up with Swindon as more Eurosceptic Lee inclined than

:59:54.:59:58.

Sunderland. So it looked to us like Swindon would vote even more to

:59:59.:00:03.

Leave, but that result has come in like this, and the margin is much

:00:04.:00:11.

closer. That is what we would have expected, based on Swindon's

:00:12.:00:15.

position on the index, so Sunderland and Newcastle might outliers. Maybe

:00:16.:00:21.

there is something going on with the vote in the north of England. It's

:00:22.:00:25.

all getting very interesting on our board, and there is no way of even

:00:26.:00:30.

starting to call it. We have a result from Broxbourne, the first

:00:31.:00:35.

home counties of results, Hertfordshire. Ukip had some success

:00:36.:00:47.

in the local elections. That 66% to Leave and 34% to Remain. We are

:00:48.:00:54.

joined now by nick Robinson, who has suddenly turned up. What are you

:00:55.:00:59.

doing tonight? You are going from north to south through the night, is

:01:00.:01:06.

that right? We started in Edinburgh, David, at the polling station there

:01:07.:01:11.

in the middle of the evening. We've been to Newcastle, here in

:01:12.:01:15.

Sunderland, on my way to lead any second, then Peterborough, trying to

:01:16.:01:20.

see and to paint a picture of a divided nation, because what is so

:01:21.:01:25.

striking tonight is a divided nation, divided by nations

:01:26.:01:28.

themselves, Scotland against England, divided by region, class,

:01:29.:01:34.

educational background. I think these results suggest, as Jeremy was

:01:35.:01:37.

just saying, that that is what is going on. In Sunderland, and this

:01:38.:01:44.

may help explain a bit about the difference between what is happening

:01:45.:01:49.

in the north-east and the south, I was hearing from people on the Leave

:01:50.:01:53.

and Remain campaigns that there are people in this town you haven't

:01:54.:01:59.

voted in this city since 1983, haven't voted since the days of

:02:00.:02:03.

Margaret Thatcher, who came out, as they put it, people on both sides,

:02:04.:02:06.

to kick the establishment, people who left their houses for the first

:02:07.:02:12.

time to vote. They wanted to kick not just Brussels but David Cameron

:02:13.:02:17.

on the establishment, the bankers, they pretty much wanted to kick

:02:18.:02:21.

anybody they could, and they below -- they believed that voting Leave

:02:22.:02:26.

was the way to do that. What is your view of the way it has gone so far?

:02:27.:02:33.

What intrigues me is whether this becomes a pattern or whether what

:02:34.:02:37.

we're actually seeing is the mounting up of votes in working

:02:38.:02:41.

class where there is a result against the establishment, to Leave,

:02:42.:02:48.

but also a mounting up of votes to Remain in metropolitan areas with a

:02:49.:02:52.

younger demographic. It is much too early to tell whether that

:02:53.:02:57.

Sunderland result, and that in Newcastle, is giving us a national

:02:58.:03:01.

picture or merely suggesting that this great gulf between voters with

:03:02.:03:05.

even greater than we realised. I was hearing from a series of senior

:03:06.:03:09.

Labour figures that, in recent days, votes had hardened up amongst what

:03:10.:03:17.

you might patronisingly call Guardian readers, metropolitan

:03:18.:03:20.

people, public sector, hardening up for Remain. We may not see that

:03:21.:03:26.

until we see the vote in most urban areas but, when you are seeing votes

:03:27.:03:32.

in the smaller towns, often described by psephologists as the

:03:33.:03:36.

left behind, people with high working-class populations, what you

:03:37.:03:42.

are seeing there is a mounting up of votes to Leave, because they want to

:03:43.:03:46.

kick someone and the opportunity to do that was devoted against the

:03:47.:03:50.

establishment will stop where are you going to pop up next? Leeds is

:03:51.:03:57.

my next stop. Look forward to seeing you. Couple of hours from now. There

:03:58.:04:03.

is something interesting about the London turnout. There was terrible

:04:04.:04:10.

weather in London today, the roads were flooded, the trains were not

:04:11.:04:14.

working, the Underground wasn't working, there was all hell let

:04:15.:04:18.

loose, and, John, you think there has been an effect on London, which

:04:19.:04:23.

was expected to be heavily Remain, but it has had an effect on the

:04:24.:04:29.

vote. Perhaps. Seven or eight boroughs have told us their level of

:04:30.:04:33.

turnout. Given what was going on in the rest of the country, we would

:04:34.:04:38.

have expected about 2-3 point higher turnout in these boroughs than has

:04:39.:04:44.

been reported. Maybe it is the weather, maybe not, but whatever is

:04:45.:04:47.

because, given that London was expected to be relatively strongly

:04:48.:04:53.

for Remain, if this is correct, it is another bit of bad news for the

:04:54.:04:57.

Remain side, as far as turnout is concerned. The numbers may not be

:04:58.:05:01.

working quite as much in its direction this was hoped. The truth

:05:02.:05:06.

is there has not been any good news for them. That is a slight

:05:07.:05:12.

exaggeration. In Orkney and Clackmannanshire, the result was

:05:13.:05:16.

pretty much in line with what we were expecting. It wasn't far off

:05:17.:05:19.

and Broxbourne. There have been cases where the outcome was much as

:05:20.:05:25.

we expected. Newcastle and Sunderland stand out. What the

:05:26.:05:30.

Remain side might worry about is the only place which has come in better

:05:31.:05:34.

for them than was expected if the Isles of Scilly, the smallest of all

:05:35.:05:38.

the counting units we have got tonight. Not to forget Gibraltan!

:05:39.:05:47.

We are here with Tim Montgomerie and Alastair Campbell. Tim, what are

:05:48.:05:54.

your team captains saying after results in Sunderland and Swindon?

:05:55.:05:58.

Those results were looking positive for Leave, but the most interesting

:05:59.:06:02.

thing is the turnout. As John Curtice was explaining, in London,

:06:03.:06:07.

Northern Ireland and Scotland, you are seeing lower turnouts, whereas

:06:08.:06:11.

in the Leave areas, like places we have seen in the north-east, turnout

:06:12.:06:18.

is much greater. It seems that as a lot of people expected, those that

:06:19.:06:22.

want to leave the European Union have always been more enthusiastic.

:06:23.:06:25.

And despite the weather, they have turned out. If this is true, and we

:06:26.:06:30.

should still be cautious, this could be a much better night for Leave

:06:31.:06:35.

than many of us were expecting. Kate Howey has said in the last few

:06:36.:06:39.

moments that Labour could end up losing thousands of voters over

:06:40.:06:46.

issues like immigration. I wonder if the EU has become a proxy for a lot

:06:47.:06:51.

of things that are broken in people'slives. This is the danger

:06:52.:06:56.

with referendums. I don't dig this referendum has just been about

:06:57.:07:00.

Europe. I think a lot of the people who have been turning against in

:07:01.:07:05.

this debate, particularly in traditionally Labour areas, are

:07:06.:07:08.

people who feel that the financial crisis happened and the people who

:07:09.:07:12.

caused it got away with it. They feel there is too much division, too

:07:13.:07:16.

much inequality, that all they have had from this government is

:07:17.:07:21.

austerity. They are basically saying, two fingers to the lot of

:07:22.:07:25.

you. But Labour has known this for years. They saw the vote

:07:26.:07:28.

disappearing in the north-east to Ukip. I also think the Labour Party

:07:29.:07:35.

has to understand that we cannot just keep banging the same old

:07:36.:07:39.

messages that have come out through this campaign. I think the Labour

:07:40.:07:47.

Party has to be careful about this. I said two things to you earlier

:07:48.:07:52.

stop one is that it is not over. Secondly, I am worried about this

:07:53.:07:56.

just becoming about the Tory party. There is a danger here for Labour as

:07:57.:08:01.

well. We have to face up to the fact that large parts of the country are

:08:02.:08:05.

turning away from both of the main parties. This referendum has

:08:06.:08:10.

unleashed all sorts of stuff. I always thought it was a bad idea to

:08:11.:08:14.

have it. That sounds arrogant, don't let the people decide. It doesn't

:08:15.:08:23.

sound arrogant, it is arrogant. I have met so many people in the last

:08:24.:08:29.

few weeks saying, you see them in agony, having to make decisions that

:08:30.:08:36.

politicians should be elected and then lead. We are in this position

:08:37.:08:41.

because of a lack of leadership. Every single leader except one has

:08:42.:08:48.

been on the Remain site. And I think Jeremy Corbyn gave a gift to the

:08:49.:08:52.

Leave campaign on Sunday when he said the was no upper limit on

:08:53.:08:56.

immigration from the European Union. Alastair Campbell is right about the

:08:57.:09:01.

austerity factor. There is a global revolt against the existing

:09:02.:09:06.

capitalist system, but Labour have underestimated how concerned the

:09:07.:09:09.

working class vote is about the lack of control over immigration. We have

:09:10.:09:15.

looked at the graph of the pound literally falling off a cliff. Not

:09:16.:09:23.

literally! People look at that and think this is just markets making

:09:24.:09:30.

money. The bookies and the markets have been telling us what will

:09:31.:09:36.

happen. The economic argument did get through, but a lot of these

:09:37.:09:39.

people heard everybody saying we were going to lose the economic

:09:40.:09:43.

success we have got, but they are not feeling that economic success

:09:44.:09:51.

now. There was the Queen's famous question to the economists, why

:09:52.:09:54.

didn't you see the crash happened? The establishment were wrong about

:09:55.:09:58.

the Iraq war, wrong about the regulation of Wall Street. So

:09:59.:10:03.

Michael Gove was right to say the British public to not believe the

:10:04.:10:07.

experts. We have a problem at the moment. The established authorities

:10:08.:10:12.

are not trusted by at least half the country. Angela, you were listening

:10:13.:10:17.

to what was being said and we have John McDonnell talking about

:10:18.:10:22.

Sunderland, that people are cheesed off and migration is a big issue.

:10:23.:10:26.

Has Labour lost touch with its core voters? Clearly, there are people

:10:27.:10:31.

for whom life is really tough. They are your people. Yes, and life has

:10:32.:10:38.

been made tougher by the decisions that the Conservative government has

:10:39.:10:45.

made, particularly the huge cuts that have been focused unfairly on

:10:46.:10:50.

the areas that are least able to cope. Our country is divided now and

:10:51.:10:54.

we don't have a government that seems to care about the future

:10:55.:11:02.

prospects for communities like that. So why hasn't Jeremy Corbyn and Mr

:11:03.:11:07.

MacDonald been able to get the vote out for Vote Leave? Well, a lot of

:11:08.:11:14.

that vote wanted to kick the government. They like what the

:11:15.:11:20.

government were doing. They want to get rid of the Prime Minister. And I

:11:21.:11:25.

saw this as a way of doing it. We have had discussions all the way

:11:26.:11:31.

through this campaign about whether kicking the government in this way

:11:32.:11:34.

was the right thing to do, because it is more likely to cause a

:11:35.:11:37.

recession. We have seen what is happening with the pound, and they

:11:38.:11:43.

will be the first to suffer. So you failed with your argument. We have

:11:44.:11:48.

not been able to get through to all of our supporters, but you will find

:11:49.:11:54.

that there was a majority of Labour supporters that have voted to

:11:55.:11:58.

Remain. Our vote is less split on the Tory vote. And in fact, the

:11:59.:12:03.

Conservative government is split top to bottom. But it may be a critical

:12:04.:12:13.

part of the Labour vote that did not come out for Remain. We don't know

:12:14.:12:20.

what the result will be yet. We always knew this was going to be a

:12:21.:12:25.

knife edge referendum. We are at a very early stage of the result. When

:12:26.:12:36.

one of your MPs, admittedly unnamed, says that the EU issue simply shone

:12:37.:12:41.

a light on how out of touch Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are with

:12:42.:12:45.

traditional voters out of London, do you think he or she has sent on her

:12:46.:12:51.

side or is that nonsense? I think there is a divide between those that

:12:52.:12:57.

live in cities and those that live in the industrialised areas of the

:12:58.:13:01.

north. We have a Chancellor that thinks that having a press release

:13:02.:13:04.

about the Northern powerhouse is good enough. It is not good enough.

:13:05.:13:13.

We have to make certain that our government takes account of the

:13:14.:13:16.

proper interests and looks after people up and down the country. I

:13:17.:13:21.

have a feeling you are not answering the question I asked. I have not

:13:22.:13:27.

come on this programme to have a go at my own leader. I think we have a

:13:28.:13:30.

government that is split down the middle. They have had to issue a

:13:31.:13:37.

Save Dave letter tonight and a third of the Brexiteers in the Tory party

:13:38.:13:43.

haven't signed it. No need for a safe Jeremy Corbyn at a? We need to

:13:44.:13:48.

wait to see what happens in this referendum to see if we still have a

:13:49.:13:53.

functioning government. We have to result from Kettering, voting to

:13:54.:13:55.

Leave. That was the expected result for

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Kettering in the East Midlands. We now have a Leave lead of 18,700 78.

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Let's join Clive Myrie. What have you got from Basildon? We are

:14:24.:14:30.

expecting the final result here in the next 20 minutes. I was talking

:14:31.:14:35.

to the leader of the borough council here, who is from the Conservative

:14:36.:14:39.

Party, and they were looking pretty forlorn. It looks like a resounding

:14:40.:14:47.

win for the Leave campaign. We did expect that. The polls leading up to

:14:48.:14:51.

the referendum suggested that it could be anything from 70 to 80%.

:14:52.:15:00.

The feeling seems to be around 70%. From talking to the Ukip members of

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the council here and some of the Vote Leave activists, they are

:15:07.:15:10.

saying that when they have been canvassing they have heard people

:15:11.:15:14.

talking about immigration. They have been about sovereignty. They have

:15:15.:15:20.

also talked about this being a protest vote, an attempt to give the

:15:21.:15:24.

political elite is a kick, the idea that halted as usual has gone sour

:15:25.:15:30.

for them. For the working class white people in this area who have

:15:31.:15:33.

seen their jobs disappear, have certain issues, Ukip and the Vote

:15:34.:15:39.

Leave campaign say they have been able to tap into that resentment and

:15:40.:15:43.

that has been borne out in the result this evening. In about 20

:15:44.:15:50.

minutes, we will get the official count, but it is looking like 70%

:15:51.:15:55.

for Leave. Let's look at the results we have had in. Jeremy. Here we are

:15:56.:16:04.

with our index. 382 counting areas. We have ordered them based on our

:16:05.:16:09.

analysis from the most inclined to Leave, to the most inclined to

:16:10.:16:15.

Remain. We have already had the surprises from Newcastle and

:16:16.:16:17.

Sunderland, which did not fit in with our index. But over time, it

:16:18.:16:24.

may even out. Let's look first at Kettering. It is quite a way towards

:16:25.:16:34.

Leave. You would expect a substantial vote for Leave in

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Kettering. And here is the actual result. Leave's vote was a tiny bit

:16:40.:16:49.

stronger in Kettering that we might have expected, based on its position

:16:50.:16:55.

on our index, but nothing like the surprise of the strength of the

:16:56.:16:58.

Leave vote in Newcastle and Sunderland. Still a substantial

:16:59.:17:03.

margin for Leave in Kettering. If we go to Broxbourne, you can see the

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flashing blue, meaning Leave have taken it, in parliamentary language.

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Let's see by how much. It looks very Eurosceptic. It is in the top 15

:17:29.:17:35.

most inclined to Leave. What has actually happened? We have a 32%

:17:36.:17:48.

gap. Again, that is a bit more for Leave than we were expecting based

:17:49.:17:52.

on our own analysis, but not a shock. The key thing is that unlike

:17:53.:18:01.

a Westminster election where you have all those constituencies that

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are roughly the same size in terms of numbers of voters, here,

:18:06.:18:08.

constituencies have vastly different sizes. This is our proportional map.

:18:09.:18:19.

I will bring up the stalks in the floor. The important thing is the

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height of the stalks. In Orkney, you have a short stalk because there are

:18:30.:18:34.

not many voters. These are the Newcastle and Sunderland results,

:18:35.:18:37.

and you can see how many thousands were involved. When we hear from

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Birmingham at three or four in the morning, 700,000 eligible voters,

:18:45.:18:47.

that will be the biggest stalk on the map. It is worth remembering

:18:48.:18:51.

that when accounting area has a lot of voters in it, it really packs a

:18:52.:18:59.

punch. We have a result in from the Shetland Islands. 5300 Leave, 6900

:19:00.:19:11.

Remain. Small numbers here. Slightly less four Remain than we had

:19:12.:19:15.

anticipated. And West Dunbartonshire. This is slightly

:19:16.:19:29.

better for Remain. I am joined now by Alex Salmond, the Scottish

:19:30.:19:32.

National Party MP for Gordon in the House of Commons, formerly the

:19:33.:19:36.

leader, David Davis, former Shadow Home Secretary, who has been

:19:37.:19:37.

fighting for Leave. Alex Salmond, what do you make of

:19:38.:19:50.

it? It's going to be nip and tuck. I'm astonished about Shetland,

:19:51.:19:54.

because that is one of only two areas in Scotland, back in 1975,

:19:55.:19:58.

which voted two to one not come out of the EU. The fact that it has

:19:59.:20:04.

voted pretty decisively to remain is a very good result, as indeed the

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other results from Scotland have been. Can I add a corrective. This

:20:09.:20:12.

talk about a low turnout in Scotland. Clackmannanshire... I

:20:13.:20:18.

think we set slightly lower than expected. Clackmannanshire, 67.5%.

:20:19.:20:29.

Sunderland, a very good result for Leave in England, 65%. It doesn't

:20:30.:20:34.

stand up to examination. What we are talking about is general election

:20:35.:20:38.

turnout and, in Sunderland comparing the general election turnout with

:20:39.:20:42.

this turnout, there is a spectacular increase. It isn't like with like.

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Is still a very strong turnout in Scotland and a strong vote for

:20:50.:20:54.

Leave, but this is going to go down to the wire. The constitutional

:20:55.:20:58.

implications are fascinating. I will come to that. We heard at the

:20:59.:21:02.

beginning of this that Nigel Farage said his friends in the City said

:21:03.:21:08.

the game was up, and now he says he has changed his mind. What is your

:21:09.:21:13.

view? Nigel does change his mind from time to time. This is less

:21:14.:21:18.

scientific than a normal general election, as I'm sure you have

:21:19.:21:24.

explained. It's a matter of counting votes. Even the comparisons are

:21:25.:21:30.

judgments. Oh, yes. They are not massively off but they are not

:21:31.:21:35.

entirely reliable either. What I can see happening, the beginnings of it,

:21:36.:21:39.

is that Scotland is pretty much voting as one would expect, Northern

:21:40.:21:44.

Ireland broadly as we would expect on the north of England, the

:21:45.:21:47.

industrial areas of England, erstwhile Labour voting

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working-class voters, they seem to need to be going heavily towards

:21:53.:21:58.

Leave. It isn't a big fraction of the population, but nevertheless.

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That is all to do with the fact they haven't had a increases for several

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years and they blame immigration, that sort of thing. -- pay

:22:05.:22:09.

increases. I agree with Alex that it will be nip and tuck. I think it is

:22:10.:22:16.

odds-on to leave. If it is Leave, what is your view about David

:22:17.:22:20.

Cameron and George Osborne, what should happen is to mock you didn't

:22:21.:22:24.

sign that letter, asking for him to remain. I never signed letters,

:22:25.:22:30.

positive or negative, not that sort of letter. If I sent a letter, it's

:22:31.:22:36.

from me. As I sit on your programme, question try, it seems to me that,

:22:37.:22:41.

so long as David does something sensible like trying to put somebody

:22:42.:22:47.

in charge of the negotiations, then what the country is going to need is

:22:48.:22:52.

stability at home. We are not going to be wanting to have a leadership

:22:53.:22:55.

election in the middle of all that. In the next couple of years, and he

:22:56.:23:00.

says he will stay for two or three years anyway, is pretty reasonable.

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And George Osborne, would the kindest thing to do beta move him

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on? That was said to be in George's interest. Just a helping hand. If it

:23:13.:23:20.

does go this way, I mean, you've always said that, if England or the

:23:21.:23:25.

rest of the UK voted to leave in Scotland voted to remain, it would

:23:26.:23:30.

trigger another independence referendum in Scotland would want to

:23:31.:23:34.

remain in the EU. Even if it was just that close, do you think that

:23:35.:23:39.

would happen, if England, put it like that, started pulling out of

:23:40.:23:47.

the EU? I do. There are two fascinating constitutional

:23:48.:23:49.

possibilities. One, Scotland looks like it's going to vote solidly

:23:50.:23:56.

Remain. If there was a Leave in England dragging us out, I am

:23:57.:24:00.

certain that Nicola Sturgeon would implement the SNP manifesto. There

:24:01.:24:04.

is another possibility, which is just emerging, that it's possible

:24:05.:24:08.

that Scotland, Northern Ireland might tip the balance overall,

:24:09.:24:13.

England having voted to leave another constitutional conundrum. At

:24:14.:24:20.

the start of this process, the First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, offered

:24:21.:24:24.

David Cameron a suggestion that perhaps he should put a poor country

:24:25.:24:28.

lock on this result, that all formations within the United Kingdom

:24:29.:24:33.

should vote the same way. He said it was ridiculous and I suspect he is

:24:34.:24:37.

now thinking perhaps it was as ridiculous as he thought. -- a four

:24:38.:24:44.

country lock. We have got some more results, sized Tyneside. Leave. --

:24:45.:24:58.

South Tyneside. Tim Arndale joins us from Leeds. What is your feeling

:24:59.:25:02.

about what is happening in Yorkshire? We haven't had any

:25:03.:25:10.

results in the Yorkshire and Humber region so far, all we have had

:25:11.:25:13.

turnout figures, which are very high, much higher in most areas than

:25:14.:25:17.

the last general election, but already the Vote Leave campaign here

:25:18.:25:21.

leaves they are well ahead in this region. One senior source said a

:25:22.:25:27.

month ago that they believe they have won Yorkshire by a country

:25:28.:25:32.

mile. -- said a moment ago. They say they are voting -- picking up votes

:25:33.:25:38.

to leave in solid working-class areas, where Labour has been the

:25:39.:25:41.

dominant party for many years. The feeling on the ground is that the

:25:42.:25:46.

Labour Remain message just hasn't been hitting home. Thank you very

:25:47.:25:54.

much. We are just talking about betting. You are a betting man. Did

:25:55.:26:01.

you bet? The market that I trust most of all isn't the brain of

:26:02.:26:09.

first-class psychologists like John Curtice but the exchange betting

:26:10.:26:13.

market, people who have exchanged ?32 million of real money, and on

:26:14.:26:21.

that, Leave has come in from 14-1 to about 7-4 in the last two hours but

:26:22.:26:25.

it is still staying as the favourite. So David, if you believe

:26:26.:26:32.

it is going to be Leave, he can now finance his leadership campaign for

:26:33.:26:36.

the Conservative Party. Are you still putting money on? I never bet

:26:37.:26:43.

on things that I set my heart on, does it cloud your judgment. I think

:26:44.:26:48.

the horses are much more reliable. You can set your heart on a Balls,

:26:49.:26:51.

surely? Let's get back to serious business. -- on a horse. I put 200

:26:52.:26:59.

on this morning, but mainly because I was irritated by my colleagues in

:27:00.:27:03.

the Leave campaign. I am hopeless at it. What process would you imagine

:27:04.:27:11.

following in the next few days, if it happens, a Leave vote? First, the

:27:12.:27:19.

Prime Minister has to decide who will take control, what team he

:27:20.:27:22.

points. They will have to do consultation. It will be quite a lot

:27:23.:27:28.

of time before either they trigger article 50 and start the process,

:27:29.:27:32.

the process of negotiation, they will have to be a lot of

:27:33.:27:36.

notification, and that was not in the next few days. There are all

:27:37.:27:42.

sorts of things you can do, you can start -- took until the cows come

:27:43.:27:49.

home. He would be an wise to trigger it straightaway because there is a

:27:50.:27:53.

lot of preparation. The Leave campaign talking about the various

:27:54.:27:55.

things that might happen, there isn't a unanimity of views about how

:27:56.:28:00.

to play this. There are a variety addict will take some time. It isn't

:28:01.:28:06.

a leadership campaign. -- a variety of opinions and it will take some

:28:07.:28:12.

time. If the Prime Minister loses this, I don't see how he can survive

:28:13.:28:16.

as Prime Minister. I speak from personal experience. If you state

:28:17.:28:21.

your career on a referendum and the people vote against you, it is time

:28:22.:28:26.

to go. Talk about lame ducks. This would be a duck with no legs and no

:28:27.:28:34.

stability whatsoever. Alex, your referendum was existential to your

:28:35.:28:38.

party, what it is all about. This is not. It is a promised David Cameron

:28:39.:28:42.

made, to give the British people dare say... And he has conducted a

:28:43.:28:51.

campaign of intimidation and bullying and half his cabinet say

:28:52.:28:55.

they don't believe a word he says that he will continue? Fat chance.

:28:56.:29:00.

One reason people are saying that people are voting to leave is

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because they have had enough of politicians. We are going to a club

:29:04.:29:07.

in Worcester and going back to a different world. -- a club. This is

:29:08.:29:15.

a club that takes its politics seriously. They are having an

:29:16.:29:21.

all-night party, taking in the results with a view points. Let's

:29:22.:29:25.

have a word with a regular? How are you voting? Remain. How do you think

:29:26.:29:34.

it is going? It's too close to call. Recent result was lifted. We've got

:29:35.:29:42.

to wait for it to pan out. -- the Sunderland result was significant.

:29:43.:29:47.

How have you found the campaign? Disappointing. A positive case for

:29:48.:29:55.

Europe hasn't been made. It's been negative. I think it's been a

:29:56.:30:02.

disappointment overall. This is the part of the country that will

:30:03.:30:06.

apparently vote the most evenly, 50-50 in and out. I have to say,

:30:07.:30:12.

quite hard to find people here voting to leave. There are plenty of

:30:13.:30:17.

people here who voted In. Give us a flavour of how you are finding it.

:30:18.:30:21.

It's quite hard to tell at the moment. Still incredibly early. And

:30:22.:30:34.

are you all voting In? You are a voter to Leave? How are you feeling?

:30:35.:30:41.

It's still early days. I feel like... There are still like 330

:30:42.:30:56.

undeclared. Confidence from the Leave side, was that? Absolutely.

:30:57.:31:05.

We've got our fingers crossed. I think it's likely we will lose, what

:31:06.:31:09.

I think a close result will be good for Britain. It means we have a good

:31:10.:31:14.

chance of enacting reform. If there is a massive Remain victory, it

:31:15.:31:20.

means that we have a lots of discontent. Do you worry about that

:31:21.:31:30.

discontent in the future? No. Any discontent will manifest itself in

:31:31.:31:33.

the need for more reform in the EU. OK. Thank you. They have taken it

:31:34.:31:39.

seriously, having debates in the run-up to the referendum. I think

:31:40.:31:44.

the main question will be at what point people go home! Thank you very

:31:45.:31:50.

much. I hope they stay up until 6am, with a bit of luck. Let's have the

:31:51.:31:55.

result from Dundee, which has just come in. They vote to remain. All of

:31:56.:32:03.

these votes count. We are treating them as though they were

:32:04.:32:06.

constituencies, but they are not. What happens in Dundee and Plymouth

:32:07.:32:11.

and Colchester, it's all the same thing. They all get added together.

:32:12.:32:23.

And the Lagan Valley in Northern Ireland, a unionist area, they vote

:32:24.:32:29.

to leave. The DUP were in favour of leaving. Leave are ahead by 15800

:32:30.:32:42.

and 72. We will soon get to a point where we can save the kind of figure

:32:43.:32:45.

that either side has to get if it is to win. We will be able to have a

:32:46.:32:52.

target. It is based on the turnout, adding all of the turnouts together,

:32:53.:32:55.

and you can work out where the midpoint is. Subject to recounts. It

:32:56.:33:04.

is just over 16.4 million, I am told. So what a long way to go,

:33:05.:33:11.

because Leave are on just under half a million, and so are Remain. 16.4

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million, if you want to make a note, is the winning post. Let's get a

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full round-up of the news. Here is Rita Chakravarty.

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Initial results in Britain's referendum on the EU

:33:26.:33:28.

show support for leaving is stronger than expected.

:33:29.:33:30.

Counting is under way of tens of millions of votes and early

:33:31.:33:33.

reports suggest turnout has been high.

:33:34.:33:36.

Among the first counting centres to declare official results

:33:37.:33:41.

was Sunderland, which voted to leave by a significant majority.

:33:42.:33:48.

Newcastle and Gibraltar voted to remain. This report contains flash

:33:49.:33:53.

photography. It was the moment polling stations

:33:54.:34:01.

closed. The UK had given its verdict. And the first result

:34:02.:34:09.

declared, Gibraltar, with a 96% vote in favour of remaining. Not long

:34:10.:34:16.

after, Newcastle, with a narrow win the Remain. 65,404. A much smaller

:34:17.:34:22.

wind than expected but, in Sunderland, a huge win through to

:34:23.:34:36.

Leave, 61%. A sign that the results in Newcastle and Sunderland may not

:34:37.:34:42.

be indicative of a wider pattern. At a Leave campaign party, the Ukip

:34:43.:34:47.

leader remains defensive. We will win this war will stop we will get

:34:48.:34:53.

our country back. We will get our independence back and we will get

:34:54.:34:59.

our borders back. Thank you. It was a bruising campaign, and some say,

:35:00.:35:07.

whether it is Leave or Remain, politicians need to do more to

:35:08.:35:10.

listen to the country. Whatever the result, they will be lessons that

:35:11.:35:14.

have to be lured by the Labour Party, not just on the issue of

:35:15.:35:18.

immigration, a wider set of things, but also for the government about

:35:19.:35:21.

what people are saying about the state of the country. It's looking

:35:22.:35:26.

increasingly like turnout across the UK as a whole will be a little above

:35:27.:35:31.

50% and, remember, every single vote count in this referendum. -- 70%.

:35:32.:35:37.

Following the first results, the pound has fallen dramatically.

:35:38.:35:39.

Initially, it rose on expectations that the UK would stay in the EU

:35:40.:35:42.

When the New York Stock Exchange closed,

:35:43.:35:45.

the pound was trading at just under $1.49.

:35:46.:35:47.

It fell at one point to $1.43 but has since recovered slightly.

:35:48.:35:53.

One currency analyst said traders "are very jittery".

:35:54.:35:58.

A man has been jailed for life for plotting a beheading

:35:59.:36:00.

on the streets of London, inspired by so-called

:36:01.:36:03.

Islamic State, which could have targeted a poppy seller.

:36:04.:36:05.

23-year-old Nadir Syed was arrested in November 2014,

:36:06.:36:09.

One of the world's longest running civil wars, in Colombia,

:36:10.:36:18.

has been brought to an end after more

:36:19.:36:20.

The so-called FARC rebels have signed a deal to lay

:36:21.:36:24.

down their arms following three years of negotiations.

:36:25.:36:27.

More than 200,000 people were killed during the conflict.

:36:28.:36:31.

President Obama has suffered a setback in his plan to spare

:36:32.:36:34.

millions of people living illegally in the US from deportation.

:36:35.:36:38.

The Supreme Court has blocked the reforms,

:36:39.:36:40.

with the opinion of eight justices split equally.

:36:41.:36:43.

Mr Obama called the ruling heartbreaking.

:36:44.:36:47.

Today's decision is frustrating to those who seek to grow our

:36:48.:36:51.

economy and bring a rationality to our immigration system

:36:52.:36:56.

and to allow people to come out of the shadows and lift this

:36:57.:36:59.

serious flooding in parts of London and in south-east England.

:37:00.:37:10.

Several commuter and Underground lines in the capital suffered

:37:11.:37:16.

There were more problems this evening as commuters tried

:37:17.:37:20.

The this is Broadcasting House in London, showing the state of play at

:37:21.:37:44.

the moment. We have not had much in. We have only had 14 out of 382. The

:37:45.:37:58.

Remain side are in yellow. And a slight modification to the figure I

:37:59.:38:03.

gave earlier of 16.4 million needed to win. It is now estimated at 16.8

:38:04.:38:10.

million. We have to result in from the Western Isles. My grandson will

:38:11.:38:19.

be complaining about my pronunciation as he speaks Gaelic.

:38:20.:38:31.

Emily. A lot of people have been asking for international reaction to

:38:32.:38:39.

the results so far. It is a lot to put on the Polish ambassador's

:38:40.:38:42.

shoulders, but your sense of how the race is going so far? Let me just

:38:43.:38:51.

say that I am just an observer. We will respect any decision that is

:38:52.:38:57.

made by the UK. And Britain will always remain our friend and ally,

:38:58.:39:02.

independently of the result. But of course we are nervous, because if

:39:03.:39:07.

you speak about the national interests of Poland, we would like

:39:08.:39:12.

to see the UK as an active member of the European Union, shaping

:39:13.:39:16.

policies. They have been a big supporter of Poland, a non-euro

:39:17.:39:20.

country. Do you feel your position will be weaker if the UK left? There

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are several reasons. One is that we have more than 800,000 Poles living

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here. And whatever happens, we would like to ensure their rights are

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respected. Another reason is that the European Union needs unity and

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strength, and in the United Kingdom, we have a huge country that can

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influence our global policies in security and defence. This is about

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global strength as a bloc. The third reason is that we are afraid of a

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chain reaction in the European Union. We don't want this. We want

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to be a coherent global block that could face new challenges. We have

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had a wage refugees and war in Syria. Great Britain is one of your

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largest trading partners. We are past the campaign and the threats

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and the language. Do you actually think EU member countries would

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choose not to trade in the same way now with Britain if it is a Leave

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vote? I think there are three modes that could be adopted by Britain.

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But do you think Britain will be punished? Do you think its value

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will be understood? It is difficult to say. Article 50 of the Treaty of

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the European Union just says that the negotiations will take two years

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and then by unanimity, they can be extended. But if there is no

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unanimity, they will not be extended. In two years, Britain can

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achieve whatever it can achieve, and then we will be left with the result

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of the negotiations. But for us, Britain is an important trading

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partner. You have talked about the 800,000 Poles living in Britain.

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What was your understanding of their sense of how the campaign went? More

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than 80% of Poles here supported Remain, for obvious reasons. In the

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campaign, we had a mixture of different sentiments. Some hope, but

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but also some fear. Especially about immigration. This subject was not

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treated with a lot of objectivity. We have another result, David. A

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reminder of the latest results. We have had East Ayrshire in, voting to

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Remain. We will see whether it is too soon

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to get an overall picture. Let's go to Hartlepool and join Luke Walton.

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Have you got the result? Are you the counting officer? I am not! But I

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have some unconfirmed final results here, which are that Leave on

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32,000, Remain on 14,000, which means Leave have taken more than 69%

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of the vote. Those have not been confirmed, but I understand that

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that is the final picture, which is more or less where Leave thought

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they were heading. There was a head of expectation before today, so it

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is a very good result for Leave. The context is that this is a Labour

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stronghold, at it is also somewhere where Ukip have a good organisation.

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They came a strong second in the general election, so not entirely

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unexpected. The message I am getting from the Leave campaign is that this

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was a vote against the establishment and the feeling that Hartlepool is a

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forgotten town. There was a feeling both against Labour, but more

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broadly against politicians. Interestingly against Labour,

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because we have had Labour people here slightly dodging the question

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of whether Labour was failing and might have helped to lose this

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referendum by failing to get out some of its one third or so of

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Labour supporters. That seems to confirm what you are saying. I have

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heard from some Leave campaigners that they expected more Labour MPs

:44:19.:44:23.

on the doorstep, not just here, but across the north-east, a sense that

:44:24.:44:26.

in some areas, Labour were slightly sitting on their hands, perhaps

:44:27.:44:31.

targeting more favourable areas with more middle-class people and

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university students and now perhaps had given up on the most

:44:35.:44:38.

disadvantaged areas. There is a wider question for Labour. After

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all, they hold most of the seats in the north-east. Here in Hartlepool,

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Ukip wants to build on this result and target this it and potentially

:44:51.:44:55.

challenge Labour. There are wider political issues at play. There are

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also economic issues, with all the problems Hartlepool and Teesside

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have had. Let's talk to our political editor in the Midlands,

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Patrick Burns, a familiar figure on election night. I don't think you

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were there in 1975. I was around. I have described this as a twice in a

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lifetime experience. Twice for you and for me. We have not had any

:45:24.:45:30.

results yet from the Birmingham area. We haven't. It is rather slow

:45:31.:45:36.

here because of the sheer size of it. There is an electorate of over

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700,000 voters in Birmingham alone. That means we do tend to lag behind.

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But we have been wondering whether we might see a divergence between

:45:50.:45:56.

the areas around the Outer edge of the conurbation, like North

:45:57.:46:00.

Warwickshire, well we had from earlier, which looks like a

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resounding win for the Leave campaign, and other areas like

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Cannock, Dudley, the Black Country, where Ukip have won seats on local

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councils. Whereas, would Birmingham, has a more cosmopolitan city, with

:46:20.:46:24.

this vast electrics, we saw Jeremy Vine's stalk that, so much taller

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than the others, would that offset the Leave tendency in the big city?

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That seems to be the indication. Early indications in Birmingham are

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that Remain has 55 to 60% of the vote. That is cause for more

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optimism for the Remain side that we were seeing earlier in the evening.

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Another place to look out for, we heard Jeremy talking about the

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algorithms. Apparently, Worcester is about as typical as it is possible

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to be. So if we see a close result from Worcester, just down the road,

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that could be an indication that we would have is very close overall

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result for the UK. There are two issues here. There is one big local

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camp, the biggest in Britain, but this is also the regional centre

:47:36.:47:39.

where the whole pan Midlands regional figure will eventually be

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collated. Confirmation of Hartlepool, which Luke Walton gave.

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Laura, what are you hearing from the political class? People on the Leave

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side are very happy with the scale of their victories. On the In side,

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they are more nervous than they were a couple of hours ago, but they are

:48:19.:48:23.

holding out for the results from the big cities. Interesting hearing

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Patrick talk about expectations for Birmingham coming out for Remain. I

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am told a couple of London boroughs are expecting more than 80% of

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voters to ask their votes to stay in the European Union. So the In

:48:38.:48:42.

campaign are still expecting good things to come from the London vote.

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But a pattern is emerging. The seeing Remain doing better in their

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areas and Leave doing better in their areas, and as a result the

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country is more polarised. We have the result in Basildon. The Basildon

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area declaration of local count totals. As counting officer for the

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Basildon and Woking area, at the referendum held on the 23rd of June,

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2016, under the European Union Referendum Act of 2015, and having

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been authorised to do so by the regional counting officer, I hereby

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give notice that I have certified the following. The total number of

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ballot papers counted was 98,000 62. The total number of votes cast in

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favour of Remain was 30,748. The total number of votes cast in favour

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of Leave was 67,251. The total number of ballot papers

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rejected was 63. Can I now take the opportunity of thanking everybody...

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There is the percentage. 69-31 in Basildon. We started the programme,

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the evening, looking with Jeremy Vine had a kind of way of seeing

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these results, so we could judge whether it looked as though it was

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going to end up as Leave or Remain, anticipating where various places

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would lie along a line of probability. Just one way of

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assessing as we went along what is going on. Jeremy, can you take us

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through that again, with the results we've had in, and tell us how well

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it's doing. It's extremely interesting and dramatic. There is

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something going on in the north-east, no question. We have 382

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counting areas and we have greated them out where we do not have

:51:16.:51:21.

results yet. On the basis of a 50-50 result, if it was absolutely even,

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we would expect the ones in the middle to be evenly split. So we are

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looking at expectations based on a tight result, and I can tell you

:51:31.:51:33.

what is happening against that expectation. In the north-east, I

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will flash the councils in the north-east. There are a dozen of

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them. You will see some of the bars flashing. The longer the bar, the

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more the voters in the area, most of them on the Leave side. We had an

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extra revote from Newcastle, one of the few on the Remain side,

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dramatically towards Remain until the end, when it was almost 50-50.

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We've had Hartlepool now. That's fine them on our index. They are

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down the Leave end so the expectation would be that Leave

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would win. Let's see what Leave actually did. In Hartlepool, a

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storming victory for Leave, by 40%, way beyond what we would have

:52:27.:52:29.

expected in the event of a tight result between the two sides. So

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70-30 is an extraordinary result to Leave, even though Hartlepool on the

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Leave end of our spectrum. South Tyneside, let's find it. It isn't so

:52:43.:52:49.

much towards the Leave end, it is midway between the halfway point and

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the end. Let's have a look. You wouldn't expect such a powerful vote

:52:54.:52:57.

towards Leave. Let's see what happened. 62-38, and the margin

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again is much bigger than we expected. Sunderland, we started the

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night with them, one of the very first results. We pointed out that,

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based on our analysis of the factors in Sunderland, they were Leave but

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not deep into Leave territory, so we were not expecting anything but a

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tight result, and we ended up getting this, 61-39, so the Leave

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side really showing a clean pair of heels. We are getting some

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intelligence on these 12 councils in the north-east and making the point

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that Leave is really storming it in the north-east of England in the

:53:41.:53:47.

councils we have seen so far. If I bring back the index, here it is.

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You can see the results on the map we have got so far, but there is an

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awfully long way to go. I suppose the point underlined David is that,

:53:57.:54:03.

if Leave are over performing in the north-east, Remain are going to have

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to open one somewhere else to catch up. We have a long way to go,

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because we gave a target of 16.8 million as the winning post will

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stop 16,800,000. Neither side is yet anywhere near a million. That gives

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you an idea of how much there is still to go. There is a long, long

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way to go before we can safely call this. We have got more results in,

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Merthyr Tydfil in Wales, 16,291 to Leave, 12,500 to Remain. 56-44.

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Renfrewshire votes to remain. 57,000, 31,000 to Leave. To the west

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of Glasgow, including Paisley. Midlothian, voting to remain.

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Scotland pulling its weight, Alex Salmond? You were very critical of

:55:20.:55:26.

the Remain campaign a lot of time, and they have been murmurings that

:55:27.:55:31.

the SNP made it difficult for that campaign. On the contrary, I think

:55:32.:55:36.

it was really important for somebody to say that the style of the Remain

:55:37.:55:41.

campaign led by the Prime Minister and George Osborne, neither of whom

:55:42.:55:44.

are flavour of the month in Scotland, was the wrong way to

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conduct this campaign, so the Remain campaign in Scotland conducted a

:55:50.:55:52.

totally different campaign and it looks like the result in Scotland

:55:53.:55:58.

will be more than 60% to Remain and more -- less than 40% to Leave. That

:55:59.:56:05.

is what our expectations. Incidentally, a historical point, we

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said that Shepherd was one of two areas which had voted Out in 75, and

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the other was the Western Isles. -- Shetland. It has also voted to

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remain. So it looked like just about every area of Scotland will vote to

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remain. I understand that your grandson won a prize for Gaelic, so

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he could give you a bit of coaching! You are such a show of! Let's get

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the result from Rochford. Then I will talk to John Curtice. Lead 67%,

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Remain 33%. 79% turnout. Let's have a look at where we have got to so

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far. You tell us what you think is going on. The first thing we should

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say is you are right to emphasise that it is far too early to call

:56:59.:57:03.

this referendum, for any of us to be sure what the result is going to be.

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Many of the results we have been getting tonight have not been that

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far adrift of what we were saying would happen in that local

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authority. If the country as a whole divide 50-50. That is an indication

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that, in most places, that is the territory towards which we are

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heading. The big dramatic departure from that of these consistent

:57:25.:57:29.

results in the north-east of England, optical, South Tyneside,

:57:30.:57:36.

Newcastle, Sunderland, where the results are very much towards Leave.

:57:37.:57:41.

In Newcastle, we thought that Remain would do well. Outside that, the

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figures are not so dramatic. We keep getting cases where the vote to

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Remain seems a couple of points adrift of what we expected, so what

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happens in London will be critical. City of London, the first counting

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area in London. A tiny number of voters. Not many people live there,

:58:04.:58:10.

the central part, it is mainly offices. Expected to go to Remain.

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The number of votes cast in favour of Leave, 187. The number of ballot

:58:19.:58:26.

papers rejected was as follows, to the unmarked four for unmarked or

:58:27.:58:32.

void, giving a total number six. The result for the City of London's area

:58:33.:58:41.

is as declared. The smallest number of voters in any counting area apart

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from the Isles of Scilly, 1087 leaving, 3312 to Remain. We are

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waiting for some of the big London boroughs. We bought ones with

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would-be early in, but not yet. Signs from that borough are more

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than 70% to Remain. They are pretty confident in that part of London.

:59:07.:59:10.

Very healthy votes to Remain. We will see. Let's have some more of

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the results coming in. Blaenau Gwent. Let's see that. Remain...

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38%, 62% to Leave. You can see the latest results on the right. We are

:59:31.:59:36.

just under 1 million. Leave is about to get a million. We broke away from

:59:37.:59:45.

you, John. You are saying it is far too soon. Can you detect any

:59:46.:59:52.

tendency in the people watching this can say, or go to bed if they want

:59:53.:59:57.

to, but I hope they don't, it's only to end, can go to bed or pause or

:59:58.:00:03.

say to themselves, it looks as if we are going to win, this site or that,

:00:04.:00:09.

or is it too soon? What I would worry about for the Remain site is,

:00:10.:00:15.

in places where you would expect a 50-50 split, only if we were doing

:00:16.:00:21.

that, but there are far more places where Leave are doing better than we

:00:22.:00:25.

expected down where Remain are doing better. We had Middlesbrough in,

:00:26.:00:31.

another place in the north-east where the Remain vote is ten points

:00:32.:00:35.

adrift of what we were expecting. Laura is right to point out the

:00:36.:00:39.

importance of London, but we should say that our expectation is that, in

:00:40.:00:45.

a lot of London boroughs, simply to get to a 50-50 result, we would

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expect the Remain site to get 70% of the vote. The crucial thing would be

:00:51.:00:56.

which boroughs they do well in and whether the figures they get in the

:00:57.:00:59.

capital are significantly better than their expectations. Is what you

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are expecting happening, or are your expectations being disappointed? For

:01:05.:01:13.

the most part, the places where the Remain side are doing better and the

:01:14.:01:18.

places where the Leave side side are doing better largely where we

:01:19.:01:20.

expected, even in the north-east, even where we... Just remember, the

:01:21.:01:29.

point that expectation, it isn't a forecast, it's an indication about

:01:30.:01:33.

what we think that local authority result means if we are heading for

:01:34.:01:36.

50-50. We are going to get some places that, one side will do

:01:37.:01:42.

better, some places where the other side will do better, it won't be

:01:43.:01:46.

perfect. The thing that Remain have to worry about is, at the moment,

:01:47.:01:50.

there are many more places where they are not doing as well as we

:01:51.:01:53.

would expect and there are where they are doing better than we would

:01:54.:01:57.

expect. Let's go back to the gambling men. They have been

:01:58.:02:01.

following this. How are the odds looking? They are shortening. Remain

:02:02.:02:09.

are still favourites, so David can still make his fortune and 7-4. What

:02:10.:02:16.

about sterling? Gambling is much less reliable and more volatile than

:02:17.:02:27.

sterling, surely? We are not allowed to speak about sterling. Can I make

:02:28.:02:35.

a point? I don't argue at all with what John can -- John Curtice was

:02:36.:02:39.

saying, but I was expecting to be sitting here with those numbers

:02:40.:02:46.

reversed, at the moment Leave 53%, Remain are 46%. Why expected Remain

:02:47.:02:51.

to be in the lead, given who has been counted. Partly, it will be

:02:52.:02:55.

down to the group who came in, but this looks to me to be a very good

:02:56.:03:01.

result for Leave. We are way behind on London. We have only had the

:03:02.:03:07.

City. But Leave have gone over the million. Nearly 2 million, quite a

:03:08.:03:14.

big sample of the total votes. Wellingborough voting to leave.

:03:15.:03:24.

Peter Bone, and his wife, those of you who follow the House of Commons

:03:25.:03:29.

will know she is just as important. A long-standing campaigner against

:03:30.:03:40.

the EU in Northamptonshire. 62% to leave, 38% to remain.

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