02/05/2017 First Minister's Questions


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Good afternoon, welcome back to the programme, after the assembly's is

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to break, two sets of elections on going, plenty for assembly members

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to ask the First Minister in this weekly session. The order paper says

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there will be questions on social services, housing and plans for

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having a medical school in North Wales. You can follow us on Twitter,

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business in the chamber is already underway. Let's take a look now at

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today's questions to the First Minister.

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TRANSLATION: I call the National Assembly, the first item on the

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agenda, questions to the First Minister, and the first question

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from Dai Lloyd. TRANSLATION: Plans for social services. TRANSLATION:

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Centre of national strategic importance. The field has been

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protected through the investment of an additional ?55 million for 2017

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to 2018, alongside 60 mini and pounds for the integrated care fund.

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TRANSLATION: Thank you for that response, further to that, may I ask

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what measures are in place, led by the Welsh government, in order to

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secure an adequate supply of home care services for older people and

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those with disabilities bearing in mind the increasing demand for those

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services and the shortage of funds to provide them to meet the

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increasing needs in this area. Of course I have alluded to the

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integrated care fund and what has been invested in that, and the new

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funding that has already been announced, and we see this, bearing

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in mind the transfer from hospital to care, that that kind of delay is

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actually at its minimum level. ?22 million has been cut from the

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social care budget despite condition 2 billion from UK Government and

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Wells government money as well, additional money, your Minister told

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me, just before the recess, that some money would be additional, that

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money... I know you will have its and all of the council budgets, can

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you tell me, yes or no, whether you are sure that all the money that the

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Minister has set aside for social care will be used for social care

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and not for competing authorities? Is there an election is Thursday?

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Ask myself. -- next Thursday. Authorities across Wales have done

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very well in providing social services, despite the cuts that have

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come from her party, and her party in government in London. We have

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seen, we have seen the crisis in social care in England, a crisis we

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have not had in Wales because of the investment we have put in to social

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care, and the ester ?20 million already announced, the last thing we

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want is to import that kind of chaos into Wales.

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As a result of the women taking the well-being future generations Wales

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act, we have witnessed in recent years significant progress in the

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improved integration of health and social care despite some the

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comments being made today. In particular, I mention the

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multi-agency safeguarding pub -- hub. You agree with me that one of

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the early priorities of any new council coming in after the 4th of

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May, should be to build on the excellent work to date carried out

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by current Labour councils like that in Merthyr Tydfil? I very much

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applaud the work of Merthyr Council. I look forward to that work

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continuing, in the next weeks to come.

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First Minister, fast approaching a point where social care is

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unaffordable. Unless we take urgent action, we are facing the real

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possibility that the system may collapse. Successive governments

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have failed to take account of the ageing population. And properly plan

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for future demand. What discussions have you had with the UK Government,

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about how to ensure the social care sector has sufficient funding to

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provide top-quality care for all who need it, now and in the future? I

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think the member raises an important point in that regard, we know demand

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continues to increase, there has to be debates in society as to how that

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demand will be met. That does mean there must be discussions between

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the governments of the UK, Vickers between the countries of the UK, we

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have ensured that there is sufficient funding for all social

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care, we have increased that funding, but of course, it is hugely

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important in the long term to think carefully how social funding should

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be -- social care should be funded. TRANSLATION: Plans for a medical

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school for North Wales? TRANSLATION: Work is ongoing to determine the

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appropriate approach to getting sustainable medical education and

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training in North Wales, the cabinet secretary for health well-being and

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sport will be working a statement in coming weeks. TRANSLATION: The case

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for a medical school to serve North Wales and rural areas is clear and

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robust. The health board will have spent over ?21 million on employing

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agency medical staff over the past 11 months, up until February this

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year, the Royal College of physicians summarises the situation

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in one sentence. Establishment of a medical school in Bangla would be

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part of the process of training these additional doctors, which we

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need in Wales. -- Bangor. When exactly will the business case be

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published, and when will the necessary steps taken to establish

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the medical school be put in place? TRANSLATION: There will be a

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statement over Dean suing weeks, and the Minister will be considering

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this over this week and the next, so there will be quite a swift

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statement. -- there will be a statement over the ensuing weeks.

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Any plans will be sustainable. It has been a year since I first

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discussed the need for an emergency school, the previous Vice

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Chancellor, continue to have those special, three years since the local

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North Wales local medical committee warned that general practice in

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North Wales was in their words facing crisis and unable to fill

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agencies, GPs considering retirement. The previous supplier

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from Liverpool, the Liverpool medical School, had been severed,

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where their generation her primary come from there. In considering as

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you have agreed to do the business case for a medical school in Bango,

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how would you ensure that that includes a dialogue with Liverpool

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alongside Bangor to make sure that we keep local medics local. The

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issue is that the population in that area is quite small, compared to

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other centres, and so there are issues in terms of how could such a

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medical school work closely with other medical schools in Wales or

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England or elsewhere. It is hugely important, any medical school must

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be sustainable, and it must work closely with others in order to

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ensure that sustainability is in the future. Graduates will come back to

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work in Wales if they have the desire and ability to do so, does

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the First Minister agree that the government also needs to look

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further at ways it can improve the life offered for the people of North

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Wales, as this illustrates that too often, those who move out of Wales

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to train or work often do so permanently. The scheme, the

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campaign we have in place for recruitment and staff is working

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well. We have had a great deal of interest from those in all areas of

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medicine. Ultimately, lifestyle is important, but professional

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challenge is important, people want to go somewhere they will find their

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work interesting, they feel they will be challenged, from a medical

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point of view, and they want to live somewhere they feel they are

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supported, campaign we have put in place has put all of these issues to

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potential medical practitioners who wish to come to Wales and the

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response has been in courage in. TRANSLATION: Questions now from the

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party leaders. Diane Abbott, Shadow Home Secretary, has announced that

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Labour plans to recruit another 10,000 police officers in England

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and Wales, which would mean an extra nearly 1000 in Wales. But she was

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rather sketchy about the cost of this proposal first of all, saying

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it would cost ?300,000, average salary of ?30, for a policeman(!),

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then it went up to 8000 a year, ?80 million, perhaps the First Minister

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could give his own view of the credibility of this policy and what

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the figures are. Hugely important we see more bobbies on the beat, more

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police officers, 10,000 of them, and people will support that, you asked

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the question where the money will come from, ?300 million a year over

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the course of five years, ?2.7 billion is the part of money that

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will be created by reinstating the previous levels of capital gains

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tax, ?1.5 billion, with 1.2 billion left over. Those are the maths. What

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happened last time, when it was increased in 2010, capital gains

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tax, the rate was raised from 18% to 28%, and whereas before the 23rd of

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June, 2010, he had raised 8.23 billion a year, after the 23rd of

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June, it raised 3.3 billion a year, so actually there was a cut in

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revenue, ?4.9 billion a year. How is this increase in police numbers

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going to be paid for? Takes it back to the rate it was before, from to

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28, from 18 upwards on a lower level, that is the way in which this

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will be paid for. Reinstating a tax that was there before, and not

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something that was new. The point I was making to the First Minister, as

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a result of raising the rate, the revenue raised from the tax fell,

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not increased, and so, consequently, the tax base was reduced, because

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people could postpone the realising capital gains. People most likely to

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want to realise capital gains are pensioners who cannot afford to live

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on their incomes. This is actually a tax increase which is aimed very

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largely at the people who can least afford to pay it. Perhaps...

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Perhaps... Perhaps... Perhaps, and... Perhaps... Perhaps the

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illiterate financial plan which has been put before us by the Labour

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Party is the overall... Part of the overall plan that he committed

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himself to in my presence in a television studio in Cardiff just a

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couple of weeks ago, increasing borrowing by ?500 billion a year.

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D'Arcy Rae Leith think that the credibility of the UK Government in

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international financial markets is Gary to be advanced by such a stupid

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policy? -- does the really think. Soft on crime, Neil Hamilton, you

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heard it here first! Not supporting a policy to increase bobbies on the

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beat, we have a sprained how this will be paid for, I don't see his

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point about pensioners, losing out, because of capital gains tax, if you

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are talking about inheritance tax... Perhaps even as the two confused.

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Capital gains tax affects those people with the most money, it is

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only right that people with the most money are asked to pay more to fund

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police officers on the street, there has never been a cheaper time to

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borrow money on the world financial markets. The Labour government of

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the 1940s did this, built the health service, else the welfare state,

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rebuilt the British economy, from a far worse position, a far worse

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position than the Tories did. Individuals, individuals know that

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if you want to buy a house, you have a mortgage, you pay it off over 30

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years, you have an asset at the end of it you are able to use as you

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want, the Conservative Party don't understand that, a lot of them have

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never had a mortgage, they don't know what the concept is! Everything

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given to them on a plate. From our perspective, we know the public

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understand, you borrow in order to create an asset that is then worth

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far more, works for individuals, will work for Britain, that is the

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kind of vision we want, a vision that rebuilt Britain and does not

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let it drift. First Minister, in June last year

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you said Labour had no chance of avoiding a general election. Why

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have you abandoned ship? I do know that Labour has a better chance of

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winning an election than Plaid Cymru does. From our Per Spett if, we will

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work hard, -- from our perspective, we will work hard, as I know she

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does. In the very same week that you said Labour had no chance of winning

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a general election, one of your senior front bench MPs in

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Westminster resigned and derided your leader, Jeremy Corbyn, and you

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have now appointed him as your election co-ordinated for Wales.

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We've seen five different shadow secretaries of state for Wales from

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the Labour Party since the last UK collection. Four in the last 12

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months. Not only have you abandoned ship, you are all squabbling over

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the votes. This is gross incompetence. Do you really expect

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people who have trusted your party for so long to have any confidence

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in your party's ability to defend Wales? We did last year, Welsh

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Labour showed it could defend the people of Wales last year, and Welsh

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people voted as they did and we continue to do the same this year.

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We will be standing up for Wales in Westminster, we do not want the

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Tories to walk all over Wales. Such complacency. People need a national

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party of Wales that is going to protect this nation's interests, a

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party that will protect this institution, people's jobs and

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pensions and the NHS. Labour is in no fit state to defend Wales, and so

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the national party of Wales is Plaid Cymru. Tomorrow there will be yet

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another vote on scrapping zero hours contracts, it will be the seventh

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time we have had a vote on this. Six times, labour and the Tories have

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voted together against Plaid Cymru's proposals to end zero hours

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contracts. Tell me, First Minister, are you going to make it seven times

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tomorrow? Will you again vote with the Tories against Welsh workers and

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against the Welsh national interest? It has always been a mess in Plaid

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Cymru that they stand for the Welsh national interest, if that was true

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they would be doing better in elections than they are. One party

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does not have a monopoly on Welsh interests. There will be questions

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that affect the general election in this chamber, but people deserve to

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have questions asked about what will happen in Wales if you are in the

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assembly. We do not support zero hours contracts. She is trying to

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suggest that in principle we think they are good thing, we don't. But

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for many reasons, there have been issues surrounding what Plaid Cymru

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want to do that would jeopardise the passage of legislation. Because of

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the lack of clarity over devolved competence. On the reality of the

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situation is we have led the way when it comes to getting rid of zero

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hours contracts, we have done so in government and in organisations

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funded by government. She just talks, we have done. Can I first of

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all welcome the new clerk to the assembly, and I look forward to

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working with you over the coming months and years that you fill the

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role but was so admirably done by Claire Clancy. First Minister, you

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have said that you want questions asked of you that are relevant to

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this place, and I do want to draw on the auditor general's report last

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week on the circuit for Wales and its funding. And in particular the

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points about government money. Welsh government money being used to buy a

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motorcycle firm in Buckinghamshire that went bankrupt. Is that a good

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use of Welsh taxpayers' money? ?300,000 of Welsh taxpayers' money

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to buy a motorcycle company in Buckinghamshire that then went

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bankrupt. And if it isn't a good use of Welsh taxpayers' money, we

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apologise? We had a report last week where Cancer Drugs Fund showed it

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wasted ?1 billion of public money, so I won't be lectured on that. The

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answer is quite a bit this. Whenever we have a project like the circuit

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of Wales, there will be risks, those risks have to be managed acceptably.

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The circuit of Wales is still in play, we are looking to see whether

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a model can be produced to take the project forward, and we think the

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people of Blaenau Gwent can be expected us to do that. Banks lend

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money they acknowledge there is a level of risk with that, and it is

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the same for government. That is the most bizarre answer in six years

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that I have stood here I have received from you, First Minister. I

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asked you a simple question about Welsh government money that was used

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to buy a motorcycle firm in Buckinghamshire that went bankrupt.

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?300,000 that the auditor general in a report released last week, and you

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have called to questions that are relevant to you in your role as

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First Minister, but you don't believe you need to explain that or

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apologise for that fact? Secondly, the report outlined how officials

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highlighted two ministers that they believed you would be in breach of

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state aid rules by allowing the 7.3 million loan guaranteed to be put in

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place, and then drawn down. Officials gave that advice to

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ministers, the auditor general could not find any evidence to contradict

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that advice that was given to ministers, so why did ministers put

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the Welsh government and Welsh taxpayers' money at risk, and

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potentially for infringement proceedings by the European

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Commission because you up breaking state aid rules? Normally when state

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aid rules of breached, it is the recipient pays. We will assess the

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situation to see if the risk is acceptable. Two things to be said

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about the circuit of Wales. The auditor general has not said that

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this is a project not worth supporting. Nor has the auditor

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general said that the circuit of Wales is a business organisation

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with no assets, contrary to his own MP, David Davis, of what he has

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said. Yes, in the course of the development of the circuit of Wales,

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there is an assessment of risk. Decisions are taken to accept that

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risk if deemed necessary, and then of course we move on to see if the

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circuit of Wales can become a reality. That is what governments

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do, look at risk and decide if it is acceptable, because ultimately the

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prize might be one that is something that is worth having. We are not at

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that stage yet, we are still looking to see whether the circuit of Wales

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can produce that has a single model. The auditor general was specifically

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what he's looking at, the tranche of money that the Welsh covered has

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spent to date, ?9.3 million. That is a significant sum of. No one is

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disputing that the overall scheme could have a massive impact of

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regeneration, but you are accountable for the way money is

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allocated. I have highlighted to you two examples in the report. One

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buying a motorcycle firm in Buckinghamshire that went bankrupt

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for ?300,000. What bids will you accept if you are accepting bids

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like that? And two, that you infringe state aid rules by putting

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the loan guarantee in place. Both of which you have not apologise for or

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you haven't discounted to say it is incorrect. What exactly can we

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expect from the Welsh government given that there is a litany of

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examples where officials advice were totally ignored and ministers

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dispose of high-value land, officials were discounted on the

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public lost out through losing money when overall sales were conceded,

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and this is the same example were public money has been put in

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jeopardy as the auditor general has pointed out. How can we have any

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confidence that your government is working positively to either form a

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causative conclusion on this agreement, or that you will end up

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putting more public money at risk? The agreement is one that we would

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want to be positive, we are not looking to put more public money in.

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We are willing to work with a private investigator for the future

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of these things which is under discussion. I remind the leader of

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the Welsh Conservatives that sometimes you have to take a

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decision to benefit people in the future. Last week we saw the

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decision by Qatar Airways to fly into Cardiff airport. He is

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questioning the fact that the Welsh government bought the airport. We

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have seen great passenger growth, huge opportunities for Wales as a

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result of that. Let him apologise for the fact that he's willing to

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put 1000 jobs at risk in the Vale of Glamorgan by letting the airport

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close. On top of that, we have unemployment that is lower than

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England, lower than Scotland, lower than Northern Ireland. We have a

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situation where the five companies that have grown most in Wales over

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the past year are companies that we as a Welsh Government have helped,

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the fact that we have had the best foreign investment figures in 30

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years. We create jobs when the Tories destroy them.

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TRANSLATION: What is the Welsh Government doing to support the

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housing needs of people in Pembrokeshire? We are making

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significant investment in all types of housing in Pembrokeshire and

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across Wales. This includes continued investment in social

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housing and helped Wales as well, and schemes to make homeownership

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more successful and support innovation. Thank you for that

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response. I recently met representatives of the housing

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association to discuss the housing needs of people in Pembrokeshire

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that would mean providing affordable housing for local people with at

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least a third of the residents over 50 years of age to bridge between

:23:42.:23:46.

the generations. So would you agree with me therefore that we should be

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encouraging projects of this sort, and if so, can you tell me what

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support the Welsh government is providing to projects such as this

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one? Of course, it would be interesting if the officials could

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meet our officials to understand better the model that they have, and

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I'm sure should they want to do that, we would welcome a meeting.

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The problem of second homes and holiday homes is a particular

:24:18.:24:20.

problem in Pembrokeshire as it is in a number of areas that are popular

:24:21.:24:23.

with visitors and tourists and people looking to retire to those

:24:24.:24:27.

areas, and it overheats the local housing market in terms of the

:24:28.:24:34.

income is available to local people, particularly young people, there are

:24:35.:24:37.

whole streets in Tenby where nobody is living for most of the year. So

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what can the Government do to assist in that context? Like Camry has

:24:42.:24:45.

proposed that planning regulations could be used in certain communities

:24:46.:24:51.

in order to ensure that there is a change of use when a home leaves a

:24:52.:24:58.

permanent occupation and becomes a holiday home. Is that a

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consideration for Government? This is something that has been discussed

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and considered previously, but it is much more difficult in practice

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rather than in principle as regards what kind of definition you place on

:25:10.:25:13.

a second home. But having said that, I understand what the member is

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saying about the impact on communities, and we have ensured

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that there is more social housing available, and other considerations

:25:23.:25:27.

have been made such as trusts to acquire land that people can

:25:28.:25:31.

construct their own home, and also sharing of property equity, and in

:25:32.:25:35.

the future, we can maybe look at how to purchase houses from the private

:25:36.:25:43.

market so that the houses are available particularly in villages,

:25:44.:25:46.

so there are a number of ways in which we can secure a future for

:25:47.:25:51.

those people who wish to live and remain in those communities, but

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perhaps we need to think more imaginatively than the traditional

:25:54.:25:59.

ways of thinking to date. What assessment has the First Minister

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made of the benefit to Wales if the UK Government were to borrow more to

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invest at the current low rates? Any increase in public expenditure in

:26:09.:26:11.

comparable areas would be more money in Wales to support our priorities.

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I thank the First Minister for that answer. In household terms, has he

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outlined a response to the earlier question, we are used to the idea of

:26:23.:26:26.

balancing the books, managing income and outgoings, and critically

:26:27.:26:29.

managing debt, whether on the mortgage on our home or our family

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car. Government borrowing is far more complex, but the basic

:26:34.:26:36.

principles remain, including managing your debt at any given

:26:37.:26:39.

time, yet classic economics recognises that for Government

:26:40.:26:43.

roaring there are times, especially when the cost of rain is as low as

:26:44.:26:49.

it is now, when borrowing can be used to reverse austerity and bring

:26:50.:26:51.

growth, and by bringing growth, ensuring that the deficit remains at

:26:52.:26:58.

the same percentage of GDP. So isn't it time, I say to the First

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Minister, for the UK Government to change its approach for the good of

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the country, for Wales and the UK, or for the good of the country, is

:27:06.:27:12.

it time to change the UK Government? All governments borrow, Michael --

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Margaret Thatcher borrowed every single year, but they use that to

:27:20.:27:22.

pay the tax decreases, that was unsustainable. The issue is, borrow

:27:23.:27:29.

money to invest in capital infrastructure, and secondly, borrow

:27:30.:27:32.

in a way that is prudent so the debt doesn't become unmanageable. The

:27:33.:27:35.

problem we have the moment is the Government in London is completely

:27:36.:27:37.

without vision, doesn't know what it wants to do, has no vision for

:27:38.:27:43.

investment in if a structure. We were promised infrastructure on the

:27:44.:27:53.

-- electrification of the Southwest mainline, no clarification on HS2,

:27:54.:27:56.

just dithering from the government when it comes to funding essential

:27:57.:27:59.

capital in four structure. Countries that do not invest in their

:28:00.:28:02.

infrastructure decline. They cannot compete with other countries around

:28:03.:28:06.

the world, and the proper we have the current UK Government is they

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are willing to invest. Minister, let's get a little bit of sanity

:28:12.:28:15.

back into this question, borrowing is of course an important tool in

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any government's tool box, important tool for the wealth government,

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important tool for the UK Government. -- Welsh government. The

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levels of borrowing proposed by the Labour government -- Labour Party in

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the UK are I watering, in your heart of hearts, you know that, the last

:28:34.:28:37.

thing this country needs, the last thing the UK needs, the last thing

:28:38.:28:40.

that Wales needs is for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party to ratchet up

:28:41.:28:45.

the debt once again and for us to end up in the same kind of position

:28:46.:28:49.

we have been in every time the UK Government has been in power before.

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-- the Labour Party has been in government. Britain's best years are

:28:54.:28:59.

always under Labour, look at where we were the start of the last

:29:00.:29:02.

decade, much, much better, look at where we are now. We are in a much

:29:03.:29:07.

better position than we were in the 1980s, when the Tories main

:29:08.:29:11.

manufacturing product was high unemployment! They took Wales to a

:29:12.:29:13.

level of unemployment well beyond 10%. We need competent economic

:29:14.:29:18.

policies, which the Tories have never ever given us. So it is hugely

:29:19.:29:23.

important we have a UK Government that understands the value of

:29:24.:29:27.

investment, capital investment, has a vision for the country and doesn't

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keep on saying, we need stable and strong leadership, let me tell you,

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it involves doing leadership debates, talking to ordinary people,

:29:35.:29:38.

not having events that are closed off to the regional press, as was

:29:39.:29:42.

the case in Cornwall today, and a Prime Minister who is strong and not

:29:43.:29:49.

one who acts as a frightened rabbit! If we followed the logic of the

:29:50.:29:55.

First Minister, now is the time to take advantage of historically low

:29:56.:29:59.

interest rates, then why is it that his own government's finance

:30:00.:30:03.

secretary is limiting the financing through the mutual investment model

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to a billion, not increasing it to the 10.5 billion suggested by Gerry

:30:11.:30:16.

holding, senior adviser to his government, isn't this yet another

:30:17.:30:19.

example of the Labour Party saying one thing in its British manifesto

:30:20.:30:24.

and doing a different thing in Wales, that is the kind of hypocrisy

:30:25.:30:28.

that has given democratic politics a bad name! Says the man described as

:30:29.:30:35.

the last prophet of Wales, in his election leaflet, who am I to argue!

:30:36.:30:41.

That is on his leaflet! There you are, he asked a question, the

:30:42.:30:45.

reality is, 1.5 billion, we will borrow up to a level that is proven,

:30:46.:30:51.

1.5 billion, in devolved terms, is a prudent level of borrowing.

:30:52.:30:54.

TRANSLATION: INAUDIBLE

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The enterprise zone is an important lever. It is hugely important, we

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know the zone is a compelling proposition for investment. Thank

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you for that answer, it was established to the closure of the

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steelworks following the original decision by Tata to set up a UK

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operations. It is important we diversify manufacturing and other

:31:28.:31:31.

manufacturing within Port Talbot, but it is believed to be within the

:31:32.:31:35.

Port Talbot enterprising, what analysis as the wealth government

:31:36.:31:39.

undertaken to consider the impact that building a prison in that

:31:40.:31:42.

enterprise zone will have on attracting new businesses, and

:31:43.:31:47.

attracting growth to build a stronger economy based on high-tech

:31:48.:31:54.

ability. A negative outcome, will fail to sell the land government to

:31:55.:31:59.

the justice? We have not committed that analysis yet, what I can say,

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to reassure him, I have a person my constituency, in fact, built while I

:32:05.:32:09.

was Ward councillor in my world Jedward. -- I have a prison in my

:32:10.:32:12.

constituency. It has not had an negative impact at all, it employs a

:32:13.:32:17.

large number of people locally, it has provided work for a large number

:32:18.:32:22.

of contractors. While I can well understand some of the constituents

:32:23.:32:28.

being concerned, and those are represented, the experience in

:32:29.:32:31.

Bridgend, in fact, a housing estate is being built next to it, as we

:32:32.:32:36.

speak. The prison becomes integrated into the life of the community and

:32:37.:32:42.

in fact can be a job creator. The Swansea -based city region, steel,

:32:43.:32:47.

which has been signed in Swansea, is set to trigger ?1.3 billion worth of

:32:48.:32:52.

investment in the region, the proximity of the University as you

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have mentioned already and the emphasis on steel -based supply

:32:56.:33:00.

chain within the enterprise zone, the enterprise zone bought also

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hopes to create opportunities and promoting innovation and

:33:06.:33:09.

entrepreneurship in advanced manufacturing and materials, what

:33:10.:33:13.

kind of help can we expect from wealth government to help the local

:33:14.:33:17.

steel sector take advantage of RMT, and commercialisation is in those of

:33:18.:33:20.

the two sectors, in order to protect the economy. -- RND. We have been

:33:21.:33:24.

working with Swansea University in terms of RND ad we have been working

:33:25.:33:29.

with Tata to move RND into South Wales, and we want to make sure

:33:30.:33:34.

there is as much taking basis in Wales as possible. There are great

:33:35.:33:37.

opportunities therefore Tata, we believe there is great opportunities

:33:38.:33:41.

with the lagoon, that is widely supported in the chamber, and I do

:33:42.:33:48.

hope that whatever happens after, we will have the creation of 1000 jobs

:33:49.:33:53.

in the area, which will be hugely, a huge catalyst in terms of job

:33:54.:33:58.

creation within the enterprise zone. I heard your response to David

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Reese, but I did not hear whether you as First Minister have a

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government that would be supporting the prison in for Tolbert, I

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recognise what you say about Bridgend, but you will understand,

:34:11.:34:13.

the prison in Port Talbot, if it is built, will be significantly

:34:14.:34:17.

overcapacity and is not something that we think will add benefit to

:34:18.:34:21.

the local economy. -- David Rhys. I have had concerns from local people

:34:22.:34:24.

with regards to the fact that many of them are trying to rent out space

:34:25.:34:30.

of over 10,000 square feet input all but, small businesses wanting to

:34:31.:34:34.

develop, now moving to your area, I'm sure you are pleased to hear

:34:35.:34:37.

that, but they cannot stay in Port Talbot. Could you not be focusing on

:34:38.:34:41.

the real everyday issues that small businesses are facing rather than

:34:42.:34:45.

imposing a super prison on Port Talbot. Prisons are not devolved, we

:34:46.:34:50.

will examine any and all consequences of building a prison,

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so if people are moving to Bridgend and the prison has not -- then the

:34:56.:35:00.

prison has not affected their decision. We will consider these

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things carefully, it is important the UK Government makes very clear

:35:04.:35:10.

that what it feels the prison can deliver, Rogers capacity but the

:35:11.:35:13.

local comic, and they will make the case for the prison and we will

:35:14.:35:18.

examine carefully what the case is. Will the First Minister outline the

:35:19.:35:21.

wealth government's plans to improve access to primary health care. Yes,

:35:22.:35:25.

through modernising primary care services we will have access

:35:26.:35:28.

continuing to approve when local issues arise, local needs will

:35:29.:35:34.

continue to be met. In my constituency, we have experienced

:35:35.:35:38.

big problems with GP retention and recruitment, it is of particular

:35:39.:35:43.

concern in the Rhondda, because we have an ageing population and an

:35:44.:35:47.

ageing GP population, we saw the closure of 80 surgery last year,

:35:48.:35:54.

less than a fortnight ago, other surgery patients were told to go out

:35:55.:35:59.

of the ward, because GP cover could not be arraigned for that particular

:36:00.:36:02.

day, causing a lot of concern in an area where appointments are

:36:03.:36:06.

difficult to come by at the best of times. With all the problems in the

:36:07.:36:12.

NHS in England, why is recruitment such a problem in Wales? Doctor

:36:13.:36:15.

should be falling over themselves to come and work in Wales but you

:36:16.:36:19.

failed to capitalise on that situation. Do you also regret that

:36:20.:36:24.

after 18 years of Labour running the NHS in Wales, we still have one of

:36:25.:36:30.

the worst patient doctor numbers in the whole of the EU? We have more

:36:31.:36:35.

GPs than ever before and we are getting to a situation, we are at

:36:36.:36:40.

the stage, more GPs are coming to work in Wales, hugely important that

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the structure of the general practice is attractive, it is a

:36:43.:36:46.

reality in my mind that more and more GPs want to be salaried, not

:36:47.:36:52.

buy into a practice, debt from medical school, why would they fork

:36:53.:36:55.

out more money, it is not an attractive proposition for many of

:36:56.:36:58.

them. It will be attractive for some, that is the important part of

:36:59.:37:02.

the NHS for years to come. -- that will be. Because of unforeseen

:37:03.:37:08.

circumstances cover was not there in the particular instance you

:37:09.:37:11.

outlined, I can understand people being frustrated about this part of

:37:12.:37:13.

the practice, but nevertheless, there is a grants surgery there are,

:37:14.:37:23.

but we have seen a 16% increase in the number of GP places fell so far.

:37:24.:37:31.

?42 million will be provided additional. And importantly, work is

:37:32.:37:42.

being taken forward in Cynon Taf, working across practices in one

:37:43.:37:45.

cluster. Surgery that are quite small and find it difficult to

:37:46.:37:49.

provide cover, at the level that would be expected these days, are

:37:50.:37:53.

able to work together in order to provide conference of cover that

:37:54.:37:59.

people need. Comprehensive cover. Patients need not only access to

:38:00.:38:03.

good GP surgeries and the GPs but also they need her quality of

:38:04.:38:08.

access. We all accept and there is a growing recognition that GPs should

:38:09.:38:11.

be left to deal with the more complex cases and those with

:38:12.:38:16.

multiple committed to is, and we welcome the growth in having

:38:17.:38:24.

councillors in GP surgeries, in having palliative care services and

:38:25.:38:28.

so on. -- comorbidities. I wonder what discussions your government may

:38:29.:38:34.

have had on extending the appointment time, because if a GP

:38:35.:38:37.

who is already under enormous pressure as to see a patient with

:38:38.:38:42.

complex health care issues, comorbidities or, and write up those

:38:43.:38:46.

notes, the standard ten minutes is a very difficult thing for them to

:38:47.:38:50.

undertake all that work in. -- or comorbidities. I wonder if your

:38:51.:38:55.

government has had any consideration of the particular matter? Can I

:38:56.:38:58.

welcome first of all what the member said about not piling, not piling

:38:59.:39:03.

all the pressure on GPs, a good number of cases that appear for GPs

:39:04.:39:07.

don't need a GP, which is why it is hugely important, we choose well, we

:39:08.:39:12.

see, when practices are taken over, they become multidisciplinary,

:39:13.:39:17.

people directed to a nurse, to a pharmacist, as appropriate, rather

:39:18.:39:20.

than everybody piling onto the GP. The challenge for the smaller

:39:21.:39:23.

practices is to be able to take pressure off themselves, by working

:39:24.:39:28.

with other practices, to provide more wider and to list it services

:39:29.:39:32.

between them, so for example, is it reasonable for a season Racing or

:39:33.:39:36.

had a practice to employ nurses and physiotherapist, no, what working at

:39:37.:39:40.

other practices, it becomes far more viable for that to happen. But she

:39:41.:39:47.

does not do this in fairness, it is important to think that primary care

:39:48.:39:50.

is not just about GPs, it is making sure people get the right level of

:39:51.:39:54.

care at the right time. You release more time for GPs if you take

:39:55.:39:57.

pressure off GPs, then they have more time to meet the patients.

:39:58.:40:04.

Future opportunities for them as Asians relocating to Wales from the

:40:05.:40:07.

south-east of England? The large proportion of recent investment from

:40:08.:40:12.

companies headquartered elsewhere in the UK have indeed come from London

:40:13.:40:15.

and the south-east of England. I thank the First Minister for that

:40:16.:40:20.

response, does the First Minister support the call from the leader of

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Cardiff Council for the UK Government, to the UK Government,

:40:24.:40:27.

for Channel 4 to be a gated to Cardiff? In view of the success of

:40:28.:40:31.

the media industry in Cardiff, and as part of the consultation that is

:40:32.:40:35.

now going on about the future of Channel 4? Yes, I do, very much, it

:40:36.:40:40.

has a great deal to offer in terms of media services, we have seen huge

:40:41.:40:43.

growth in the creative industry, not just in Cardiff but we have seen

:40:44.:40:47.

huge growth in the media in Cardiff, and Cardiff would be an ideal

:40:48.:40:54.

headquarters for Channel 4. Will the First Minister make a statement...

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LAUGHTER On the appropriate magnitude of

:40:58.:41:00.

borrowing, for Welsh government in the UK context? Is readjusting

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myself there, and we will maximise all the tools available to support

:41:07.:41:10.

the economy and public services in Wales including making best use of

:41:11.:41:13.

the ?1 billion of borrowing power was secured through the new fiscal

:41:14.:41:17.

framework. First Minister, whether the question is 1 billion or 1.5

:41:18.:41:22.

billion of borrowing for Wales, or 500 billion of borrowing for the UK,

:41:23.:41:26.

your answer seems to be the same, let's borrow, it is cheap. There

:41:27.:41:30.

seemed to be less consideration to how we would pay back the money, or

:41:31.:41:34.

what would happen if interest rates go up. Do you seriously believe it

:41:35.:41:38.

is appropriate for the UK to borrow 300 times as much as Wales, and if

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so, is your position any more credible than Jeremy Corbyn's? The

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UK has far more physical tools available to it than the Welsh

:41:49.:41:52.

government in terms of the way in which it can borrow, in terms of

:41:53.:41:55.

taxation policies available to it, we know that... We know your party

:41:56.:41:59.

that you said over on that side of the chamber with, we know it will

:42:00.:42:03.

not roll out a rise in income tax, I appreciate that honesty, but I think

:42:04.:42:07.

it is right to say that even the Conservative Party is considering

:42:08.:42:13.

increasing income taxes in order to provide more money the public purse.

:42:14.:42:16.

-- not rule out. They've been asked several times to rule it out and

:42:17.:42:20.

several times it has not been ruled out. Borrowing for infrastructure

:42:21.:42:27.

investment is important, it must be prudent, it must be affordable, what

:42:28.:42:31.

is affordable for the U:K.'s many times more than what is affordable

:42:32.:42:34.

for Wales because of the tools at the UK's disposal and its ability to

:42:35.:42:38.

raise money. Was done in the 40s, when situation was far worse than

:42:39.:42:43.

this, the infrastructure was rebuilt, the UK got back on its

:42:44.:42:48.

feet, if it can be done in the 40s, when borrowing rates were higher,

:42:49.:42:53.

why is it so unreasonable to say it cannot be done now? What assessment

:42:54.:42:59.

has the First Minister made the impact of trade union 2016, coming

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into force in March this year. Our assessment of the trade union act is

:43:07.:43:10.

that it risks undermining public services and the economy and it is

:43:11.:43:14.

dangerous and damaging. I thank you for the answer, I share your

:43:15.:43:19.

opinion, do you agree that by forcing public sector employees to

:43:20.:43:23.

publish information on facility time, time taken off from work for

:43:24.:43:38.

-- time taken off work from work duties. We can their rights and

:43:39.:43:44.

their working conditions, and what First Minister is the Welsh

:43:45.:43:49.

government doing to help protect workers' rights across Wales? We of

:43:50.:43:51.

course have taken forward legislation in this assembly to do

:43:52.:43:56.

just that, in areas we believe our devolved, it is a bureaucratic

:43:57.:43:59.

imposition, on public sector employers that they have to do this,

:44:00.:44:03.

it is not something the private sector has required -- is required

:44:04.:44:08.

to do, also, it seems to indicate somehow the current UK Government

:44:09.:44:11.

sees public sector workers as somehow not as good as those in the

:44:12.:44:14.

private sector, that seems to be being seen you Asian, somehow, they

:44:15.:44:18.

are spending all their time, facilities time, not doing real

:44:19.:44:21.

work, that is not the case, huge amounts of work goes into the public

:44:22.:44:26.

sector. -- that seems to be what they are saying. That is why, this

:44:27.:44:35.

legislation was so unnecessary. What other was government plans for

:44:36.:44:40.

making Wales a fair work nation? 'S discussion with social partners, so

:44:41.:44:46.

that more people have access to good work and secure income, today I'm

:44:47.:44:52.

working with social partners, to establish the establishment of a

:44:53.:44:56.

fair work commission. He made this announcement in his Labour Party

:44:57.:44:58.

conference speech back in the spring, and it is disappointing

:44:59.:45:03.

given developments at UK level that this commission has not been

:45:04.:45:07.

established. According to the most recent data I have been able to

:45:08.:45:11.

find, Wales is among the least fair nations in terms of work in these

:45:12.:45:15.

islands, 45,000 people classed as being low paid self-employed, 60% of

:45:16.:45:20.

temporary workers want to become or get permanent jobs, 42,000 people

:45:21.:45:25.

are on zero hours contract. When he eventually gets round to

:45:26.:45:29.

establishing a fair work commission, can he deliver a commitment that

:45:30.:45:31.

part of the terms of reference will be to review all previous and

:45:32.:45:37.

current trade union legislation is related to devolved areas so that we

:45:38.:45:41.

Wales can take the spirit that the government has shown in raising to

:45:42.:45:48.

the 2016 trade union Bill, and amend all aggressive anti-trade union

:45:49.:45:51.

legislation. I would not like to prejudge the discussion tomorrow,

:45:52.:45:54.

but I take on board one he has said, it is hugely important that we get

:45:55.:45:57.

support and buy in from all sectors of industry as we look at fair work.

:45:58.:46:01.

In addition to working with social partners I have already asked the

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public policy to undertake work, specifically in terms of defining

:46:07.:46:10.

what fair work is. We have an idea of what it looks like, but it is

:46:11.:46:14.

important to define it as strongly as possible in order for the

:46:15.:46:17.

commission's work to be effective. STUDIO: That was this afternoon's

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First Minister's Questions, if you want more coverage of the National

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Assembly, go to the website. Also plenty there on the local

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elections ahead of Thursday's vote, and the latest on the ongoing

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general election campaign. Don't forget, for all the latest political

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news and election watching, watch Wales today later on today at 6:30pm

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on BBC One Wales. -- Wales Today. From all of us, on First Minister's

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Questions, thanks for watching, goodbye.

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The country's best chefs go head-to-head...

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The old gloves are off now, aren't they?

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..for a chance to cook at the Wimbledon Banquet.

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There'll be a couple of hours of just fantastic music, really,

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