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Good morning from Westminster, and welcome to our live coverage | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
of the local election results in England, Wales and Scotland. | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
At stake is control of dozens of local authorities, | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
providing essential local services to millions of people. | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
It's a very important exercise in local democracy, | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
but it's also a useful insight into the state of public | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
opinion ahead of next month's general election. | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
We'll have coverage of results as they happen, but we already have | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
plenty of news from the counting overnight. | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
It's been a very good night for the Conservatives | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
They've taken control of the councils in Gloucestershire, | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
Lincolnshire, Warwickshire and Monmouthshire. | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
They've also won the West of England Mayoral contest. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
And it looks at this early stage that they're heading for their best | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
set of local elections for a decade or more. | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
They are losing ground in England as we speak. | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
And in Wales they've lost overall control | :01:28. | :01:28. | |
of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil, two councils in their | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
Although they have held on to the capital city, Cardiff. | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
And it has been a bad night for Ukip - overnight they lost every | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
And the party has been wiped out on councils like Lincolnshire, | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
Their vote share is down dramatically, most of it going | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
The SNP are trying to take the city council from Labour. | :01:51. | :01:59. | |
The Scottish counting has only just started, so those results are all to | :02:00. | :02:07. | |
come. Labour have had decades of controlling Glasgow City Council. | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
We'll be covering the results from Scotland as they come in. | :02:10. | :02:19. | |
To say the least, there is plenty to talk about! | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
Here in the studio we're joined by our political | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
A very good morning to you all. Take a breath, we will be with you in a | :02:25. | :02:36. | |
moment. But first let's bring | :02:37. | :02:37. | |
you right up to date As I said, lots of results have | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
already come in. We have loads to come. I would like to see the | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
scorecard of councillors, which will change during the day but, so far, | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
this is the picture. The Conservatives have made 155 gains in | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
terms of council seats, Labour 125 losses so far. Independents are | :03:04. | :03:04. | |
about 25. Nothing for the SNP because, as I | :03:05. | :03:23. | |
have said, no Scottish results in yet. They will come in during the | :03:24. | :03:24. | |
late morning and into the afternoon. Early days, plenty to come. We will | :03:25. | :03:51. | |
have reaction from my guests in a moment. Before that we will catch up | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
with the full story of the election so far and the rest of the day's | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
news, let's say good morning to Joanna Gosling. Let's bring you up | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
to date with the results. The Conservatives have made big | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
gains in the council elections in England and Wales, | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
recording their best The Tories have gained control of | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
five counties and Labour have lost three. The Conservatives say the | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
results are encouraging, Labour said it was tough but not the wipe-out | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
predicted by many. Our political corresponding Chris | :04:30. | :04:30. | |
Mason has the story so far. It's been a night of | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
nocturnal arithmetic. Democracy in the small hours, | :04:34. | :04:35. | |
the will of the electorate Rosettes worn proudly but plenty | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
of nervous faces too. Tim Charles Bowles is duly elected | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
as the West of England Here in the West of England | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
the Conservative candidate made history by becoming the regional | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
Mayor. This is what winning | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
and retaining power looked They've won control of Warwickshire, | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire Here in Cumbria the Tories | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
have replaced Labour I think that the national scene has | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
a lot to do with it. I think Theresa May came | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
across on the doorstep really, We've had no negativity towards | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
the Conservative Party at all. I think it bodes extremely well | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
for the general election Clearly Labour nationally is a long | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
way behind in the opinion polls and inevitably the election | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
will reflect that. My own view is that the result | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
in the general election won't be as bad as the polls | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
would currently indicate. I think we will be able | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
to close the gap between now But there was some positive news | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
for Labour when the counting It's in Lincolnshire that this man, | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall, will fight for a Westminster | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
seat next month. But overnight his party was wiped | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
out from the local authority. I don't think people have stopped | :06:09. | :06:21. | |
voting Ukip, I concede we have lost seats today but we have always said | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
we expect this to be a very tough election for Ukip, we have said it | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
for several years. The Liberal Democrats acknowledge it has been a | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
mixed set of results for them. That is fair, we have held ground, unlike | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
Labour, which has collapsed, and Ukip, which has virtually | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
disappeared. In areas where we hope to win back MPs in the general | :06:46. | :06:54. | |
election, like Cheltenham, Eastleigh and Wells, we have done | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
exceptionally well. The Green Party says that with the Conservatives | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
dominant, other parties need to collaborate. There is a strong | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
message that people want the more progressive parties to work together | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
rather than against each other, it is clear that when we stand against | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
one another we lose ground and the Conservatives gain. Back to the | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
coating for now, still plenty of that to be done. -- back to the | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
counting. The final day of campaigning has | :07:19. | :07:19. | |
begun in the French presidential Polls show that the centrist | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
opponent Marine Le Pen. Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
a lawsuit over online rumours that he had a secret bank account | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
in the Caribbean. He has strongly denied | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
the allegations. The Government is set to publish | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
draft plans to tackle air pollution following a legal battle | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
with environmental campaigners. The measures are expected to contain | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
a scrappage scheme for older diesel cars and the removal of speed bumps | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
to cut pollution caused by cars That's a summary of the news - | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
now back to Local Election Welcome back to our election | :07:52. | :08:18. | |
special, we are here all day because there was plenty to talk about, | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
results overnight but lots to come across Scotland, England and Wales. | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
To what extent can we look at these results and then maybe have a | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
clearer picture about what might or might not happen in five weeks at | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
the general election? It is a cautious process. | :08:36. | :08:36. | |
Our political editor Laura Kuenssberg is with us. | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
Your thoughts so far? It is a barometer rather than something | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
directly translates to the general election, but two things stand out. | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
The bottom line is for an opposition party to look anything like | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
realistically heading towards number ten they should be gobbling up seats | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
in local elections that this kind of stage. Labour, in these early is | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
falling back. Part of the reason is the second thing which is extremely | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
striking, a total collapse, so far, in the Ukip votes, losing all the | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
seats in some councils, falling back all over the place. It seems that so | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
far what the Tories hoped for and what they hope will happen in spades | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
in the general election is that many Ukip voters, there will be more all | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
is a straight switch that Brexit, the vote last year has more or less | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
removed Ukip's reason for being. A thought about the kind of things we | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
will be looking out for in the coming hours? We will be on air this | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
morning and this afternoon, what will be the main signals you are | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
looking for? When we get to mid-afternoon and see the results | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
coming back from councils like Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, those | :09:49. | :09:57. | |
results with marginal seats, where traditionally general elections are | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
decided. Nottinghamshire was held by Labour, if the Tories took | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
significant seats and maybe grab the council from the Labour Party, that | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
is the kind of signal that would suggest we would see that repeated | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
in the general election and therefore that Labour might be in | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
big trouble in the marginals. The West Midlands mayoral contest, for | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
the first time a big political job has been created in Birmingham, that | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
has been a very fierce fight between Labour and the Tory party. That | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
matters not just because it is a big, new important job, but because | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
voters live in marginal seats in the Midlands that, again, play into the | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
eventual general election results. Lots of things will happen through | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
the day, it will be fascinating to see of the Tories make significant | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
inroads in Scottish councils, do the SNP hold-up? But the big picture, | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
the bottom line is opposition parties with a realistic chance of | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
gaining power ought to be taking seats, not counting losses. | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
Let's get a quick thought from my three guests. Emily, do you quibble | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
with Laura's take on Labour so far? It is a mixed picture, we have had | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
some good results. Winning the Doncaster Merrell on the first count | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
was good. There are seats like new court where the Prime Minister | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
herself campaigns, where is the Tory surge in Wales we were hearing about | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
so much? There has been a lot of spinning in advance of this, we were | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
told Labour would do extremely badly, it has been a picture so far. | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
Your take? The results are encouraging, there are lots more | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
results to come and we are looking at trying to extrapolate that the | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
June the 8th, there is a long way to go, a much bigger turnout of June | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
Yates and a lot of work to do to make sure we get the votes we want | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
to put Theresa May back into Downing Street. And early thought from you, | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
Suzanne? We have been dealing with headline saying that Ukip is | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
finished for many years. Emily mentioned the Doncaster Merrell | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
elections, we polled over 12% Ukip vote is still quite strong. Our | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
reason for being is on the way, we are on the way out of the EU. After | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
the Brexit process, there is a huge opportunity for us to rebrand, look | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
at policies that are very hard-hitting outside of the EU | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
portfolio, I think it is a great challenge for Ukip to surge ahead in | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
future months. Thank you very much, we will be back with you in a | :12:31. | :12:31. | |
moment. Emily was talking about Wales and | :12:32. | :12:40. | |
the fact there was talk about a big conservative surge in Wales, but we | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
need to look at all of the parties there. Let's look at them and the | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
Welsh context. What has happened so far is that Labour has sustained 73 | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
losses so far. The Independents in Wales | :12:52. | :12:59. | |
traditionally do very well in lots of the Ryu areas. -- rural areas. | :13:00. | :13:11. | |
Not all the Welsh results are in. I will show you one specific result, | :13:12. | :13:19. | |
Bridgend, where Carwyn Jones operates as a politician, he is the | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
First Minister and this is his backyard, if you like. Labour has | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
lost overall control of Bridgend. If you look at the difference you | :13:27. | :13:39. | |
will see the Conservative surge in Bridgend. The Prime Minister was | :13:40. | :13:52. | |
campaigning quite recently. My colleague Tomos Morgan is in | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
Cardiff. Tellers where Labour isn't what you think of the other parties' | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
performances. The Garbutt started off very difficultly, they lost | :14:03. | :14:11. | |
Bridgend early on, they lost the leader in Merthyr Tydfil, but then | :14:12. | :14:20. | |
it's picked up. They held onto Cardiff, the largest council in | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
Wales. It has strengthened what can be a difficult night. They were | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
under attack from the west of Cardiff from Plaid Cymru, from the | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
north of Cardiff from the tourism from the central from the Lib Dems. | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
Plaid Cymru realise they had not done as well as expected early in | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
the camps, that has maybe been reflected in how it has been turned | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
out in the rest of Wales, they have made some gains but not as | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
significant as they would have liked. The Tories made a slight gain | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
in the north, not as significant as they would have liked. The Tories | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
have taken Monmouthshire and made gains in the Vale of Glamorgan, they | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
now have the most amount of seats in Glamorgan, taken over from Labour, | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
although there is no overall control. You mentioned that | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
independents play a big part in Wales. In Wrexham, they held onto | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
having the most number of seats in Wrexham after ten Labour councillors | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
in 2015 switched allegiance to being independent. Holding on in Wrexham. | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
Bridgend is the most interesting story in that the Conservatives | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
going from one seat to 11, that'll be the target for Theresa May and | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
the main target when the general election comes. A mixed night for | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
Labour, disappointment for the Lib Dems losing seats, reasonable | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
happiness from Plaid Cymru. I think they expected a few more but there | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
is Rhondda later to come in the counter. Ukip doing nothing here, | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
emulating how they did across England. Thank you, Tomos Morgan. | :15:57. | :16:05. | |
Some interesting patterns to pick up on as we go through the morning. I | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
want to look at the performances in the English counties. Why don't we | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
pick Lincolnshire? That is a good example of relative strength, Ukip | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
Tidwell there in 2013 and the Conservatives have now gained | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
control from no overall control. 58 seats in Lincolnshire for the | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
Tories, Labour on six, Independents on five, Lib Dems on one. What does | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
that tell us if we look at 2013, looking at the difference between | :16:36. | :16:43. | |
today and 2013. 23 games for the Conservatives, 13 losses for Ukip. | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
This was a county which was part of the great Ukip surge of 2013. I | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
should make the point that 2013 was an exceptionally strong year for | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
Ukip, it is when they burst onto the scene, so it is a high watermark | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
that we are comparing with. 13 losses there food Ukip in | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
Lincolnshire. I would like to talk to Tim Iredale in Lincoln. Talk us | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
through the results and what you read into them. | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
The Conservatives were always confident of gaining control of | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
Lincolnshire but they have done so with what amounts to a local | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
landslide, securing 58 out of 70 seats available. You mention the | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
last county council election here in 2013. Then, the Tories were forced | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
into a minority administration, largely because of the success of | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
Ukip. Four years ago Ukip 116 seats here, a mixture of defections and | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
some leaving the party, said they came into these elections with nine | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
councillors. Ukip have been wiped out here in Lincolnshire, they have | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
no county council seats in this county. To put it into perspective, | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
this, Lincolnshire, is the most Eurosceptic county in the country. | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
In last year's EU referendum it for some of the highest percentage of | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
votes in favour of leaving the European Union. It will be where | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
Paul Nuttall stands in the general election, in the constituency of | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
Boston and Skegness down the road from here. I am sure he will be very | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
disappointed man this morning, he may not admit it but to use the buzz | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
phrase, a mixed picture, I don't think you can say that, they have | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
been wiped out in Lincolnshire. Just a thought before I let you go, | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
how we can translate local issues and project forward five weeks, | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
because it has to be cautious process, but to what extent would | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
you characterise this election as a very, very local one, or is it one | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
you think was informed in many cases by national issues? | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
Ukip are going out onto the doorstep today, they were not really talking | :18:58. | :19:05. | |
about the big local issues, they were claiming that a vote for the | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
Conservatives would see the Government backsliding, to use their | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
favourite phrase, hard Brexit, so they were going completely gung ho | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
for the Brexit vote is here in Lincolnshire. The same with the | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
Conservatives, all belief that I have seen have had Theresa made 's | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
picture on. It feels like a warm up act for the main event in just under | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
five weeks' time, the joke going around Lincolnshire County Council | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
today with the Conservatives is that the Tories have eaten the Kupers for | :19:34. | :19:48. | |
breakfast. -- the Kippers. If it is about rebranding, what do | :19:49. | :19:56. | |
you put this performance down to? It is a national agenda, that is the | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
issue. It is a great shame because local Government is very different | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
to national Government. I have been a local councillor myself, a | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
different set of responsibilities and local level and the Tories might | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
not be the best at running, our councillors in Lincolnshire have | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
been very hard working but we all know that does not necessarily | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
translate into votes when you have a situation like this nationally. It | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
is interesting, we heard there that every single local election leaflet | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
had Theresa May's face on it. I have to say I think the way the | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
Conservatives have gone into this general election, ripping up the | :20:32. | :20:33. | |
Fixed Term Parliaments Act, what was the point of that? Theresa may may | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
have looked down the camera lens on several occasions and said, I am not | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
going to call a snap election, the speed at which they have got these | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
things out, that is not true, they have been planning this for months | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
and have had a head start on the other parties. I am not going to | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
play foul, we all know the Tories will take every opportunity they can | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
to win elections, that is in a sense what politics is all about. But it | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
is a great shame. We are going to see potentially a Tory landslide on | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
June the 8th, we are going to possibly see the beginnings of a | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
1-party state. That is not going to be good for the people of this | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
country, ultimately. I know you both want to answer that, Emily and | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
Brandon, but I want to bring Jim Professor John Curtice, who is | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
joining us now, our resident Guru. Nice too with us. Can we have some | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
headline thoughts? We heard Suzanne there with the Ukip angle on this | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
but can we have your judgment on how the parties have done so far? The | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
truth is there isn't much joy for Ukip, though I think perhaps we | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
should say it is not a case of Ukip disappearing entirely, there are | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
plenty of wards where they can still get five, six, 7% of the vote. The | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
trouble is in a lot of these wards four years ago there were getting | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
20, 25, 30% of the vote. They have gone back to being one of | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
Britain's's small parties, rather than being the challenge to English | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
party politics that we had seen, the biggest in post-war Britain. There | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
are some signs of recovery, the vote seems to be up three points, the | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
truth however it is still not a performance of the scale that we got | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
used to with the Liberal Democrats before they joined the coalition | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
with the Conservatives, getting 20% of the vote in local elections even | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
in difficult years. But still some progress, some encouragement, but | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
still far too early to talk about a significant Liberal Democrats | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
revival from the no theatre which they fell during the coalition. But | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
the big story is Conservative and Labour. A pretty bad night for | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
Labour. Just a couple of glimmers of hope, hanging onto Cardiff, which we | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
were not necessarily expecting, hanging on to Newport as well, which | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
is a good result. And riding the Conservatives much closer in the | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
West of England Merrill election than we might have anticipated. It | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
is those results and one or two others that mean, yes, the | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
Conservatives have done well, no doubt they have done. Is the spring | :23:08. | :23:29. | |
really to the Conservatives of the scale we might expect in the opinion | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
polls or is it a bit shorter? Why does that matter? Mrs May wants to | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
get a bigger overall majority, and she needs a big double-digit lead | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
and at the moment I'm not sure what we might be saying later on about | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
how big her lead is. Very early results from Staffordshire this | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
morning are good for the Conservatives so maybe the numbers | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
will pick up in their favour. Let's have a look at the figures we were | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
sharing again, these are changes since 2013 in keyboards. Keyboard | :23:50. | :23:59. | |
share changes, 13% up for the Tories, 14% down for Ukip, Lib Dems | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
up 2%, Labour down three, greens up one. Back in 2013, Ukip Tidwell, the | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
equivalent of 22, 20 3% in general elections, that is why they can fall | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
so far. As a result, neither the Conservatives nor Labour did very | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
well in 2013 so the big increase of the Conservative vote is from a low | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
baseline and a much lower baseline than they got in the general | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
election. Conversely, however, Labour doing badly in 2013 and their | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
vote even lower tells the tale of how, whatever doubts we have about | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
how good the Conservatives are, the Labour Party not showing much sign | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
of posing a significant challenge to the Conservatives and the opinion | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
polls showing the party is a long, long way from being able, | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
apparently, to being a contender -- credible contender for power in this | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
election, broadly confirmed by the evidence of those figures you have | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
shown. I don't want to get bogged down into much detail but we are | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
showing share changes since 2013, if viewers are wondering why we are not | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
comparing with 2015, what would you say to them? In England, at least, | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
the elections that were held yesterday were four seats that were | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
last fought in 2013 so what we are trying to do is explain, the | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
Conservatives getting more seeds, Labour getting fewer, we are showing | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
how the pattern of voting compared with local elections in 2013 looks. | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
Of course, as you have gathered, during the course of the day we will | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
also be giving you insight into perhaps what does this mean, for the | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
general election, but initially we are being faithful to the fact these | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
are local elections, lots of others have taken place in the last 20 or | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
30 years, we are getting an idea how good or bad these results are for | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
the parties. A few markers, maybe the best results for the | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
Conservatives but ten years, maybe 25, so definitely a good set of | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
local election performances by the standard of local elections, and for | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
Labour is probably their worst since they lost power at Westminster in | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
2010. Don't go too far, John, we will be back! | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
Professor John Curtice there, with us throughout the day crunching the | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
numbers. A quick comment from Brandon and Emily at this point, | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
picking up from what John said. I thought about the extent to which | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
you are confidently saying, Brandon, that yesterday, today makes you | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
rather more bullish about what might happen on June the 8th? I refer back | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
to what I said when we first started speaking a few minutes ago, these | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
are encouraging but different to a general election, is very different | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
turnout and I disagree with something Suzanne said, our | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
councillors and candidates have been campaigning for local elections for | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
many, many months on local issues, it is only the last couple of weeks | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
we have been into the start of a general election so I credit the | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
voters to know that yesterday they were voting for local Government and | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
it is normal in local elections to have the leader of your party on | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
your leaflet, it always has been for the Conservative Party. Emily? I | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
would like to say something about the way the Conservatives are | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
hunting down Ukip voters, it says something about the way Theresa May | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
has been behaving lately. When she came back from visiting the Queen | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
and stood on the steps of 10 Downing Street and came out with the most | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
extraordinarily Paranoid statement about Europeans conspiring against | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
our country and needing to stand up and fight, I think it was either a | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
cynical ploy for Ukip votes and believing it is to the | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
Conservative's advantage to become old Tory Eurosceptic in that way. | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
What it might mean for this country if the Tories were elected on the | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
back of such votes, it either means that she is doing it on purpose in | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
order to try to get those votes, or potentially we have a Prime Minister | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
who is as paranoid as she is, so we have a choice, she is either | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
paranoid or extremely cynical. Probably the better interpretation | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
is that she is extremely cynical but it is worrying, the way in which our | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
country might be governed when it comes to dealing with Brexit in the | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
future. Would today's results so far suggests she is rather more in touch | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
with public opinion than you are? I think it is very easy when people | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
are worried to whip up that worry and say, we can stand firm and fight | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
against Europeans. But I think that is not the way to go into | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
negotiations and it is not the way for a responsible politician to | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
behave, because once you have said those things, you cannot take them | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
back and she is on record saying the most extraordinary things and if she | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
wants to be re-elected, which we hope she won't be, but if she is to | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
be re-elected, what does that mean? We are trying to re-establish a | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
relationship with the Europeans and the only way to get a strong Brexit | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
is to get one that works for Britain and it has to be agreed by the | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
Europeans. Has that stance damage Labour? We will see, we have five | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
weeks. It is important that we go out and argue what I have just said, | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
that a strong Brexit is a deal that works and does not mean alienating | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
our European allies. We have to treat them as friends and we must | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
not be treading down, occupying Ukip territory because, with respect, I | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
don't think it is our country any good and for the Conservatives to | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
shift into Ukip territory in that way to get votes is very worrying. | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
Laura? The problem for the Labour Party, | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
many parts of the country that they had seen as traditional Labour | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
territory, they were also appealing areas for Ukip, so there will be | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
seats that had been held by Labour, 71 of them, where the size of the | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
Labour majority was smaller than the number of Ukip votes, so Ukip have | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
not just been about taking voters from the Tories but also in the last | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
few years been taking votes from the Labour Party. What I would say, as | :30:01. | :30:11. | |
we discussed on Wednesday night, after Theresa May's statement in | :30:12. | :30:13. | |
Downing Street, Tory sources behind the scenes were saying, of course | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
part of the reasoning behind the statement, not all of it because | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
there was genuine irritation in Government of what was coming out | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
from Brussels, but part of the calculation was they are aware they | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
were 4 million voters for Ukip at the last election and they want | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
them. The point is that you can talk to people and say to them what is in | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
the interest of the country and how that works. Of course, Labour wants | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
the best possible deal for Britain as a whole, it is just a question of | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
how you do it, the language you use and what you are saying. We can | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
stand up for Britain better, we would say, than the Conservative | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
hard Brexit trying to climb into the Ukip vote. | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
What Theresa May said the other night was absolutely clear. | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
Bureaucrats from Brussels have leaked things from their side, not | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
ours. She wants the right deal for the United Kingdom. I think it was a | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
very clear statement to people across the country, whether they | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
voted Remain or Leave, it is in all of our interests to get a deal that | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
is good for the United Kingdom and she will stand in for Great Britain. | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
That is what I want is a Prime Minister. She has said we will stay | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
in the Europe Ian Court of Human Rights, we are abandoning targets | :31:26. | :31:37. | |
for net migration. If she is to get the Brexit that people voted for, we | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
have to keep pushing for that, I don't see much sign at the moment. I | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
have spoken to other Labour MPs, Emily, it is not just the Ukip vote | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
moving to the Conservatives, but the Tories, for the same reason. Labour | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
has completely abandoned people in its heartlands. The issues Ukip has | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
talked about are resonating. Let's pause, a very quick word from Laura | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
before the news. The referendum boat through all the pieces in the air, | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
this is part of the settling down and it is shaping up to be quite a | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
different map. I promise we will pick up on some of those points when | :32:09. | :32:09. | |
we are back. It is 9:30am. Now the rest of the day's news | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
with Joanna Gosling. The Conservatives have made big | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
gains in the council elections in England and Wales, | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
recording their best Many of the votes cast | :32:20. | :32:21. | |
yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales are still to be | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
counted, but Labour have suffered losses and Ukip have so far failed | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
to win a single seat. The Conservatives have been | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
celebrating a series Initial results show the Tories | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
taking control of five local councils and winning more council | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
seats than any other party. The Tories also celebrated victory | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
in the West of England. The Conservative Tim Bowles was also | :32:45. | :32:47. | |
elected to the newly created position of West of England Mayor | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
was also victorious. However, senior members | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
of the Conservative Party appeared to downplay the victory, | :32:54. | :32:55. | |
suggesting that there were still I think the early results are | :32:56. | :33:11. | |
encouraging, but they are early results. We have seen less than a | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
quarter of the vote actually counted and reported. The turnout in local | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
elections, of course, is much, much lower than in a general election. It | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
is wrong to predict what will happen on June Yates. We still have a | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
general election to campaign for and to win after last night, but | :33:31. | :33:32. | |
encouraging signs. Elsewhere Labour have | :33:33. | :33:33. | |
lost three councils, Despite the losses in Wales, | :33:34. | :33:35. | |
Labour did hold onto The party was also victorious | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
in Doncaster, where its candidate Ros Jones, the Labour mayor | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
was re-elected after getting Labour has defended | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
its performance so far. The Party's Shadow Chancellor, | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
John McDonnell, told people to wait for results elsewhere to come | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
in before judging the It's been a disappointing | :33:52. | :33:53. | |
night for Ukip. The Party failed to win any | :33:54. | :34:00. | |
of the seats it contested - losing 39 previously | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
held council seats. Ukip points out that it still has | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
sitting councillors in the country, although those positions were not up | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
for election this time. The Lib Dems have | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
seen mixed results. A short time ago the Party had | :34:15. | :34:15. | |
lost 28 council seats. The Party also failed | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
to retake Somerset Council from the Conservatives, | :34:21. | :34:22. | |
although leader John Osman was ousted by Lib Dem | :34:23. | :34:23. | |
former MP Tessa Munt. The final day of campaigning has | :34:24. | :34:31. | |
begun in the French presidential election before voting | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
takes place on Sunday. Polls show that the centrist | :34:35. | :34:36. | |
Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
opponent Marine Le Pen. Our correspondent Karin | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
Giannone is in Paris. What reaction has there been | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
as we enter the final Welcome to a busy Friday in the | :34:47. | :34:59. | |
centre of Paris, it is anything but normal because we are into the final | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
hours of the 2017 presidential election campaign. Come midnight | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
French time, the candidates must fall silent and campaigning will be | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
over before the vote on Sunday. It has been an incredible campaign so | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
far, extraordinary particularly bad tempered. The final debate on | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
Wednesday was one of the most heated that a French presidential election | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
has ever seen. It has not done Marine Le Pen any favours, Emmanuel | :35:29. | :35:35. | |
Macron has increased his lead to 62% against her 38%. Let me give you a | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
flavour of what the papers are making up the campaign going into | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
the final day. The financial newspaper talks about Macron Le Pen, | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
a battle against extremism, it says that a Emmanuel Macron is the | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
favourite going into the second round. They call it an | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
extraordinary, unprecedented election campaign. Le Figaro calls | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
Marine Le Pen's campaign a shipwreck. They talk about Macron | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
B arch favourite. Marine Le Pen always says that the mainstream | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
media are against, this would be typical of their stands, they call | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
her The Big Loser of the televised debate. Le Monde, Marine Le Pen | :36:15. | :36:22. | |
talks about the strategy of the lie. Inside Le Monde they have 19 facts | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
that they say Marine Le Pen said in the presidential debates, they have | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
dissected them, fact check them, they say she was lying in all 19 | :36:32. | :36:39. | |
cases. Let's show you this left-wing paper, that is Jean-Marie Le Pen, | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
Marine Le Pen's father and the friends of the National front in | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
France, they say she has not changed, reinforcing what Marine Le | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
Pen has always wanted to move on, into a future image. They say it is | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
still effectively the same Le Pen. It is not a dead cert Macron, 20% of | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
French voters are undecided so there is plenty to play for. Thank you. | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
The Government is set to publish draft plans to tackle air pollution | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
following a legal battle with environmental campaigners. | :37:12. | :37:13. | |
The measures are expected to include a scheme to encourage | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
drivers of older diesels to scrap their cars. | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
And also the removal of speed bumps to cut pollution caused by braking | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
and acceleration. A British man has died | :37:24. | :37:25. | |
while skydiving in Thailand. It happened in the Thai | :37:26. | :37:27. | |
resort town of Pattaya. The 69-year-old man - | :37:28. | :37:29. | |
an experienced skydiver - leapt from a plane and landed | :37:30. | :37:31. | |
in a nearby reservoir missing the airstrip | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
at the Thai Sky Adventures airbase. His name was James McConnell. His | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
son has posted a message on social media saying fly free, my hero. | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
That's a summary of the news - now back to Local Election | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
Welcome back to our day of live coverage of the local election | :37:47. | :38:06. | |
results in Scotland, England and Wales. In the studio we have our | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
political editor Laura Kuenssberg, Emily Thornberry of Labour, Brandon | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
Lewis of the Conservatives and Suzanne Evans of Ukip. Thank you for | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
still being with us. If you have just joined us I would like to | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
remind you of what is going on. We are lots of results in, but lots | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
to come. This is England and Wales, no | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
results from Scotland yet. That is the picture across England | :38:32. | :38:54. | |
and Wales, let's look more specifically at Wales in a second. | :38:55. | :39:14. | |
Can I just stress, again, very early days. We will talk to Labour's | :39:15. | :39:22. | |
Stephen Kinnock in Cardiff. Good morning, Stephen. We were talking | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
earlier about a rather mixed picture, Labour in England suffering | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
some pretty heavy losses. In Wales, holding onto Cardiff, Newport and | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
Swansea, very big results, clearly, but how would you characterise the | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
overall picture? I would agree with your word, mixed. | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
I think there is a contrast between England and Wales. In Wales it is | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
great to see we have held onto Swansea, Cardiff and Newport, in | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
England, I don't think we can sugar-coat the pill, it is pretty | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
disastrous. It is simply not good enough for a party that has been an | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
opposition for seven years, heading towards a general election in five | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
weeks, to not be picking up sensible results are not making progress. The | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
explanation is that it Wales they have had strong Labour leadership, a | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
fantastic First Minister in Carwyn and Labour cancels delivering public | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
services that people want to see. I think there is a pretty clear | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
distinction and what we need to do is recognise there is a mountain to | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
climb over the next five weeks, and it is time we started climbing it. | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
You have been very critical in the past the leadership of the party in | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
terms of Jeremy Corbyn, I wonder to what extent you are pinning the | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
performance in England on that leadership, or rather more local | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
issues? Which is it? We can't just put a spin on this, the fact of the | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
matter is that Jeremy's leadership comes up on the doorstep on a very | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
regular basis. We had to make this election about more than leadership, | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
we had to make it about the future of the country, the referendum has | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
shown what a divided country we are and we have a deeply divisive Tory | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
leadership, a deeply divisive campaign from Theresa May, she is | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
losing friends and alienating people every time she engages with the | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
European Union. We have to make this bigger and make it clear to people | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
that it is about the future of our democracy. Theresa May wants a | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
landslide victory and to create a one-party states, we are saying at a | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
local level in every constituency, don't give the Tories a blank | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
cheque, don't let them turn our country into a European version of | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
the Cayman Islands. We have to have a strong Labour representation in | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
Parliament to hold the Tories in check. Stephen, please stay with us. | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
I have your colleague Emily Thornberry. When you save -- when | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
Stephen says pretty disastrous and not good enough, that is different | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
to your tome, what would you say to him? It is early days and Stephen | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
and I agree it is important to unite, to make sure we take this | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
fight to the Tories with a general election coming up, fight this on | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
issues, on the way in which a different Government could make life | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
different for people. In the end, issues count. It does not matter how | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
Theresa styles her hair, we're not a presidential system. We have | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
representatives at a local level and the Government is a collection of | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
individuals, but most importantly be implemented policies and, as Stephen | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
has said, the biggest challenge will be Brexit. We share a profound | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
concern about what kind of Brexit we're heading for if this Tory | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
Government gets back with a huge majority, particularly if they will | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
be running the election on such a sceptical to Europe basis. | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
If I can take you back to the original quote, he thought that the | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
performance is pretty disastrous so far, can you agree with those words? | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
I think it is too early to say, across the country it is mixed, I | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
would say. Not good enough in terms of looking ahead five weeks hence? | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
We have to work hard to make sure we stick together, we are united, that | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
we remember that the common enemy is the Tory party and Tory Government | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
and we need to make sure our 600,000 members are right on the doorstep | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
arguing about and arguing in a united way and showing we have much | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
more that unites than divides us. Stephen, are you convinced that the | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
leadership is picking up the message you would like it to get? | :43:56. | :44:01. | |
I think we have to learn from the success we have had, certainly, in | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
the cities in Swansea, Cardiff and Newport, which I think is a | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
reflection of the very impressive leadership that Carwyn has shown us | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
in Wales. We have the next five weeks to prove we are picking up | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
those messages and to prove that we are an alternative party of | :44:22. | :44:24. | |
Government, that we have the leadership in place that can present | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
a real picture and a real alternative to this Tory Government. | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
That will be a factor on the doorsteps. We have to absolutely | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
focus on what we are achieving locally, what we have done for the | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
steel industry and at a local level in terms of regenerating our | :44:48. | :44:49. | |
communities and rebuilding the public services in the face of a | :44:50. | :44:56. | |
deeply damaging austerity from the Tories. The other good news from | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
today and yesterday 's selves is the complete falling apart and implosion | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
of Ukip. Very good news. We have seen the back of Ukip, I think that | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
is the end of them as a party, a serious force in British politics. | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
We have to turn our guns on the Tories and start doing the same to | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
them. Paddy Ashdown treated a short time ago the huge progressive voice | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
in the UK is being crucified by the lack of courage and leadership to | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
get our act together, in other words suggesting he would like a | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
Progressive Alliance. Can you briefly give us your response? | :45:32. | :45:38. | |
I think the British people care about four things, work, family, | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
community and country, and the Labour Party is a deeply | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
patriotically, the party that took the United Kingdom into Nato, we | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
were the driving force behind it. We are a party that unite communities | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
and stands up for families and makes your working day a better day, and | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
that is the message, the mainstream message that we have had, and have | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
had since our party was created in 1901. We have got to get back to | :46:06. | :46:17. | |
that mainstream, clear, centrist, patron got a vision for our party | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
and our country and if we can do that there is absolutely no reason | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
why we cannot be an alternative to the party of Government and cannot | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
get a good result on the 8th of June. Your key message was that you | :46:27. | :46:29. | |
have to get back to that region, the message that you are not on that | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
message right now? We are seeing from people on the doorstep that | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
they are worried about the polarisation of politics, they feel | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
there is a shift to the hard left and a shift to the hard right and my | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
vision for the Labour Party is not one where we are anywhere near the | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
hard left, we are a party that is a centrist, patriotically party, | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
stands up for working people, that believes in rebuilding public | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
services and realises that we have got principles but if you want to | :46:59. | :47:08. | |
put those principles into practice you have to win power, and if you | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
are going to win power you have to be in touch with the people of this | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
country. That is what we have to get back to. Labour's Stephen Kinnock, | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
thank you very much. That was interesting, Laura. | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
I would like to ask Emily, Stephen Kinnock clearly thinks that the | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
Labour Party has gone too far to the left and Jeremy Corbyn is a problem | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
on the doorstep? There is nothing in terms of policy that Stephen was | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
talking about that I would disagree with, so I think sometimes we set up | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
straw men for ourselves, when it comes to policies, when it comes to | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
the way in which we can make Britain better, Stephen and I agree. His | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
analysis is clearly that you have gone too far away from the | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
mainstream. He used the phrase, the hard left, worried about Labour | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
being the party of the hard left. Is he wrong? He did say that... Is he | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
wrong about that? It is sometimes a Conservative attack that is put | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
out... It is from one of your own MPs! The point is that although some | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
people may say that, the question is, what policies is it, what is it | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
that Labour stands for that is a hard left policy? If you look at | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
what we stand for, we are certainly a party at the left, a Progressive | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
party, we want the world to move on, our country to move on for the | :48:24. | :48:25. | |
better, and we are a party of hope. But the problem that | :48:26. | :48:44. | |
we have, we all know this, I am not telling you any secrets, is we have | :48:45. | :48:46. | |
not been particularly united in the recent past. One thing that comes up | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
again and again on the doorstep is people said they will not vote for a | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
party that is not united. Stephen Kinnock says that on the doorstep | :48:53. | :48:54. | |
people say they are worried about Jeremy Corbyn, in his word he says | :48:55. | :48:57. | |
it comes up time and time again. Is he wrong about that, do you think he | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
is an asset? I am not saying Jeremy does not come upon the doorstep | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
sometimes but what also comes up is the importance of having a clear, | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
united message. And Stephen and I agree on that, that is what we need | :49:07. | :49:08. | |
to concentrate on. Let's pause for a second because | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
there is a very exciting situation in Northumberland. Let's have a look | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
at Northumberland, is this the final result? Just come in, this was | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
really on a knife edge and it is still a hung council but when we | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
look at this result we see the Conservatives on 33 and Labour on | :49:29. | :49:32. | |
24. Let's have a look at the difference with last time, because | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
what has happened if there has been a bit of a Conservative surge in | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
Northumberland, picking up 12 seats, Labour have dropped eight, the Lib | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
Dems have dropped dead, Independents up four, so not enough for the | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
Conservatives to take control. They had hopes in Northumberland of | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
taking control of the council, they have not done so, they are on 44% of | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
the vote, Labour 27%, if we look at the percentage share of the vote, | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
Independents 12 and Lib Dems on 12. What is the difference with 2013? To | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
underline, the Tories putting on 13% but not enough to take them over the | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
finishing line for overall control, Labour dropping back 9%, Lib Dems | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
dropping back nine, Ukip dropping three in Northumberland. | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
What I would like to do now, because we are looking at some of these key | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
battle grounds, clearly we want to look as well at some of these | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
mayoral contests which is happening. We have not mentioned them yet, they | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
are some of the big political posts that have been invented as part of | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
the devolution strategy of the Conservative Government. The West of | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
England was one of them, we had the West of England result earlier | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
today, let's have a look at it. This was the first preference, to take | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
you through the voting process, this allows people to express preferences | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
on the first preference vote we had Tim Bowles for the Conservatives in | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
first place, Labour in second place, Lib Dems' Stephen Williams in third | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
place. Went through, nobody had the required number of votes necessary | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
to go through straightaway on the first round, as you can see there, | :51:11. | :51:16. | |
27, 22 and 20. We went to a second round, let's have a look at that. | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
There is the result in the West of England, the Lib Dems, by the way, | :51:21. | :51:23. | |
had hoped with Stephen Williams, former Lib Dem MP, to do rather well | :51:24. | :51:29. | |
here but what happened is the Conservatives narrowly won, beating | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
Labour's Lesley Mansell. So Tim Bowles is the first of the big Metro | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
Mayors that we can report on, that is the result in the West of | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
England. There will be several more to come. | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
Now, straight to the Midlands, there is a massive contest happening, in | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
terms of the mayors and important county results as well. Patrick | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
Burns is there for us. Tell us what happened overnight? | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
Well, we had two of our Shire counties counting overnight, most | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
started as no overall control and both now firmly under Conservative | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
controlled. Gloucestershire and Warwickshire. Startling result in | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
Warwickshire, actually, they needed to gain just two extra seats for | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
overall control, they actually gained 12 and the Labour contingent | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
in Warwickshire was halved from 20 to ten. Interest over whether the | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
Liberal Democrats might enjoy something of a Brexit or should I | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
say anti-Brexit bounce, they actually lost one of their seats so | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
not much progress for them. Obviously delighted Conservative | :52:36. | :52:37. | |
council, initially leading a minority administration, and the | :52:38. | :52:44. | |
counsellor says it is a brilliant light, wonderful night, the map of | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
Warwickshire turned blue from top to bottom from left to right. By | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
contrast, thinking of course as you mentioned earlier, Warwickshire has | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
some of those key general election marginal seats, places like | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
Nuneaton, which was a totally marginal seat in 2015. Well, the | :53:01. | :53:08. | |
Labour general election candidate in Nuneaton was actually one of the | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
casualties on the council, he actually lost his seat last night, | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
Phil Johnson, and he put the blame for that very firmly at the door of | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. Also losing their seats were the leader | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
of the former Labour group and indeed the chairman of the local | :53:26. | :53:28. | |
party, so there is no particular gloss to be put on this, it has been | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
a very, very emphatic, bad night for Labour in key electoral area, | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
Warwickshire, with all of those marginal seats, crunching the | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
numbers with the general election in mind. | :53:44. | :53:45. | |
Indeed, Patrick, and while you are with us, tell us, of course we are | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
looking ahead, later today, probably around tea-time, to the result of | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
the West Midlands mayoral contest, that has been a pretty tough fight | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
so tell us what you are looking at at this point? | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
It is a real knife edge, potentially a real thriller. All the suggestions | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
are that it is a very, very close run thing between and Labour | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
candidate, Sion Simon, former Government minister under Gordon | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
Brown, now Labour member of the European Parliament for the West | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
Midlands, and Andy Street, former boss of the John Lewis department | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
store chain, he stood down from that role in order to become the | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
Conservative candidate here. It has been a very close run thing, this | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
contest, and as you say counting is just really in the very early | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
stages. We don't expect anybody to have an overall majority, 50% plus, | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
on the first count, it is almost certainly going to go to second | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
preferences and that obviously does add a certain number of vagaries to | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
the whole process, but I can tell you it is a real knife edge, there | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
is no real confidence I think on either side, nobody has had the | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
temerity to think they have it in the bag, and it is very big job, | :55:01. | :55:08. | |
this it is a major set of political spending powers devolved from | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
Westminster, Whitehall, to head an area through the Black Country, | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
Birmingham, Coventry. I remember the architects of this originally were | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
David Cameron and George Osborne and they said, for the maximum level of | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
devolution to be had in to authorities like that, you need a | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
focal point at the top for accountability, the elected mayor. A | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
controversial figure, and there is a sentiment not just among local | :55:37. | :55:38. | |
councillors but out in the electorate that this is an unwelcome | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
job. In the name of localism the Government has actually insisted on | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
this Mayoral role and we are all set for a thrilling contest with the | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
final result, as you say, maybe late afternoon, tea-time, between 4pm and | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
6pm is my guess. We will see you later, Patrick, but | :55:56. | :56:02. | |
thank you for bringing us up to date in Birmingham. | :56:03. | :56:04. | |
Indeed, some big and important contests there. I must tell you | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
this, we were talking about Northumberland, saying the Tories | :56:08. | :56:10. | |
have not quite managed to take overall control. After two recounts | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
in south Blyth, one of the wards in the council there, the Lib Dems and | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
Conservatives tied at 356 votes each so what happened? The candidates | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
through straws which led to a Lib Dem victory and that is what then | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
denied the Conservatives their overall majority in the county! | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
Brandon, I am sure you will have some thoughts on that! I have | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
experienced, I have to say, in my own county in Great Yarmouth when I | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
was a council leader in Essex I have seen people on the drawing of cards, | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
I have seen straws drawn before, it is a good example of why every vote | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
count that any election, rather than leaving it to cards, every vote | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
counts. Laura? Emily and Suzanne both look like | :56:58. | :57:00. | |
they have their own painful memories of something going so close and | :57:01. | :57:03. | |
going the wrong way for their own party! But about Northumberland, | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
Labour came within an inch of winning outright control in 2013 and | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
yet again we have seen the Tories piling on votes, another early sign | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
that things are very tricky for Labour in parts of England | :57:16. | :57:17. | |
particularly. In a few minutes we will get some | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
Lib Dem reaction to what is going on, we will be talking to Baroness | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
Jenny Randerson from Cardiff, she has been waiting to talk to us, but | :57:26. | :57:37. | |
before we talk to Jenny we will get a full update on the weather first | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
of all, and we will go straight to the BBC Weather Centre and joined | :57:41. | :57:41. | |
the Labour review is there today. The dry spell seems like it is going | :57:42. | :57:54. | |
to go on across most of the country today. Short of rainfall in recent | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
weeks and the news is that this will keep to the French side of the | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
Channel for the most part. For the rest of the day, not a great deal of | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
change from what we have seen of late, the early low cloud lurking | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
offshore for the most part, offshore breeze keeping cool around exposed | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
coast of Scotland. The best of the warm the yet again towards the West, | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
17, 18, possibly 19. Similar prospects across Northern Ireland, | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
Eastern shores that bit cooler. The eastern coast of England, a bit more | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
cloud across East Anglia and the south-east, generally across the | :58:31. | :58:33. | |
southern counties, as has been the way of late. But less of a chance of | :58:34. | :58:39. | |
a shower on the breeze and a greater chance of sunshine. Into the | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
evening, we bring the weather front close by to the Isles of Scilly, the | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
far west Cornwall, down to the Channel Islands and again with clear | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
skies somewhere in the countryside in Scotland could see temperatures a | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
few degrees below zero. But it means a bright start, not a great deal of | :58:55. | :58:57. | |
change across the northern half of Britain but with the French close by | :58:58. | :59:01. | |
to the south there is a chance of rain just getting into part of | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
Cornwall, Devon, towards the Channel Isles, the Isles of Scilly, and | :59:07. | :59:09. | |
there may just be enough cloud ahead of it for there to be the odd spot | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
of rain in mid Wales, the Midlands, onto Lincolnshire, but by the | :59:15. | :59:17. | |
afternoon many of these areas will be dry and the best of the sun | :59:18. | :59:20. | |
shines through the day, the highest temperatures through western | :59:21. | :59:23. | |
Scotland, maybe the western side of Wales, western side of Northern | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
Ireland as well. But the onshore breeze still affecting eastern | :59:28. | :59:31. | |
coasts. The frontal system moves away as the lone trundles off into | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
northern Europe, notice we are cranking some of those isobars | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
towards a northerly so a change of wind direction but not a warm one by | :59:39. | :59:44. | |
any means, said the eastern shores again, nine, ten, 11, 12, still | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
drive for the most part across the British Isles, the best of the | :59:49. | :59:51. | |
sunshine and warmth likely found towards the west and early into next | :59:52. | :59:55. | |
week, staying, for the most part, predominantly dry. Take care, | :59:56. | :59:56. | |
goodbye. Good morning and welcome | :59:57. | :00:18. | |
to viewers on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
for our special live coverage of the local | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
elections in England, Thousands of councillors | :00:24. | :00:24. | |
being elected overnight and today, responsible for delivering your | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
essential public services - and all of this happening, unusually, | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
during a general election campaign. We'll have results as they're | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
declared, and we'll be getting reaction from the parties | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
to what's going on. It's been a very good night | :00:41. | :00:48. | |
for the Conservatives They've taken control | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
of the councils in Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire, Warwickshire and | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
Monmouthshire. They've also won the West | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
of England Mayoral contest. And it looks - at this early stage | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
that they're heading for their best set of local elections | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
for a decade or more. A disappointing night the Labour, | :01:03. | :01:17. | |
some people say it's disastrous, if you are listening to Stephen | :01:18. | :01:18. | |
Kinnock. And in Wales they've | :01:19. | :01:19. | |
lost overall control of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil, | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
two councils in their Although they have held | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
on to the capital city, Cardiff. Alongside the other key strongholds, | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
Swansea and Newport. And it has been a pretty | :01:29. | :01:37. | |
bad night for Ukip. And the party has been wiped out | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
on councils like Lincolnshire, Their vote share is down | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
dramatically, most of it The SNP are trying to take | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
the City Council from Labour. That is after decades of Labour | :01:48. | :01:58. | |
rule. Lots of other Scottish results coming in, that should be later this | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
morning and this afternoon. In a moment we'll have more | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
from our politicial guests - Labour's Emily Thornberry, | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
the Shadow Foreign Secretary, And we're now joined | :02:10. | :02:19. | |
by Councillor Peter Reeve from Ukip. And we'll get some more analysis | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
of what these results all mean from our political editor, | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
Laura Kuennsberg. We will be talking to Professor John | :02:31. | :02:31. | |
Curtice as well. But first let's bring you right up | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
to date with the results so far. We will have another surge of | :02:34. | :02:47. | |
results later this morning and into the afternoon. | :02:48. | :03:10. | |
That is the scorecard of National councillors. We will pick up on some | :03:11. | :03:18. | |
of that and talk to some of our guests. We will have more results | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
coming in and we will go head to some of the big results, including | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
some of the big mayoral contests, for example Manchester and the West | :03:28. | :03:28. | |
Midlands. And with all that in mind, | :03:29. | :03:29. | |
let's join Joanna Gosling with a full round up of what's been | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
happening where in these elections. And of course there is other news | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
going on as well. The Conservatives have made | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
big gains in the local elections with Labour | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
and Ukip suffering loses. Many votes are still to be counted, | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
but so far the Tories have gained control of five counties and Labour | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
have lost three. The Conservatives have said | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
the results were encouraging, Labour said it had been | :03:50. | :03:50. | |
tough but not the wipeout With the story so far, | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
here's our political Rosettes worn proudly, better | :03:54. | :04:06. | |
overnight nervous faces, too. Already it is clear that the biggest | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
wins so far are for the Conservatives. Charles Bowles as | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
Julia elected as the West of England Manor. The Tory candidate made | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
history by becoming the regional mayor. | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
This is what winning and retailing power looked and sounded like for | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
the party in Essex, they have won control of Warwickshire, | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire and the Isle of Wight. | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
In Cumbria the Tories have replaced Labour is the largest party, but | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
senior Conservatives are playing down expectations. | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
The turnout in local elections, of course, is much, much lower than a | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
general election. It is wrong to protect what will happen on June the | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
8th, we have a general election to campaign for and to win after last | :04:59. | :05:09. | |
night, but encouraging signs. There was some positive news for | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
Labour. In Doncaster they held onto the elected mayor's job, but the | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
party has lost scores of seats in swing areas. | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
These counties are the Tories' strongholds. It was going to be a | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
tough night for Labour, and we're in the middle of the general election | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
campaign. Mixed motives, people voting largely on local issues, not | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
national ones. But what is coming across is that where people | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
predicted we would be wiped out, in places like Wales, we have done very | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
well. In Lincolnshire, the Ukip leader | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
Paul Nuttall will fight for Westminster seat next month, but his | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
party was wiped out overnight on the local authority. | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
It is a great shame because local government is very different from | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
national government. I have been a local councillor, a whole different | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
set of responsibilities. The Tories might not be the best at running | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
them. Our councils in Lincolnshire have been very hard-working, but | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
that does not necessarily translate. The Lib Dems admit it has been a | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
mixed set of results so far. We have held ground in the face of a | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
massive shift, an enormous shift of Ukip voters to the Conservatives, | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
and given that has happened, we have done well to stay where we are. The | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
Green Party says with the Conservatives dominating, other | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
parties need to collaborate. There is a strong message that | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
people want the more progressive parties to work together rather than | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
against each other. Under this type of system it is clear that when we | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
stand against one another we lose ground and the Conservatives gained | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
ground. Back to the counting for now, plenty | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
of that still to be done. The final day of campaigning has | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
begun in the French presidential Polls show that the centrist | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
opponent Marine Le Pen. Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
a lawsuit over online rumours that he had a secret bank account | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
in the Caribbean. He has strongly denied | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
the allegations. President Trump has been celebrating | :07:07. | :07:20. | |
at the White House after the US Representatives passed a bill | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
billing -- bringing his pledge to come in his words, finish off | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
ObamaCare, which offered health assurance to millions of less | :07:31. | :07:31. | |
well-off Americans, further forward. That's a summary of the news - | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
now back to Local Elections Welcome back. This is our live | :07:35. | :08:01. | |
coverage of the local elections today in England, Wales and | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
Scotland. Plenty of results to come but some firm pattern is emerging. | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
We will talk about those in a moment. I want to go back to the | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
remarkable story in Northumberland, this is where the Tories failed to | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
gain overall control, they were just picked up the post because this | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
happens, look. Jawing lots, drawing straws. The Lib Dem Leslie Rigby, | :08:22. | :08:29. | |
the Conservative Daniel Xhaka, two recounts in South Blyth in | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
Northumberland. They were tied so they had to draw straws. That is the | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
way to win! They drew straws and the Lib Dem won, thus denying, and | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
Brandon is seething, the Conservatives and overall majority | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
in the county. Just one little element of the drama happening. It | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
was nice to see those images, just to see how that was decided. That is | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
an element of local democracy in action, it goes to show how strongly | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
people feel. Although lots of people are talking about these elections in | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
terms of what they tell us about the general elections, these are local | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
authorities handling billions of pounds of money and delivering | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
essential public services. First and foremost they are important | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
exercises in local democracy. The drift from central government has | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
been to begin think more powers, and less money, to local government. So | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
these elections are more important than they have been recently. The | :09:39. | :09:46. | |
big mayoral results are going away from Whitehall, they have the bigger | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
importance. Northumberland, which I suspect most people will remember | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
because of the straw pulling, there was an 11% swing from Labour to | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
Tories in Northumberland, that is, according to our data, the biggest | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
swing in any key ward councils. It is clearly a very good result for | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
the Tories, the worst results for them was when they failed to take | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
Cardiff, Labour holding better than expected in Wales, but nonetheless | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
it is a very important result. Peter, nice too happy with us. | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
Suzanne was talking about rebranding and saying the party still had a | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
future. Let's not go there yet, let's talk about performance. When | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
you see dozens of losses, as you have in some of these countries | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
where you did so well in 2013, which was a very big year for you, what | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
are you telling your supporters? The same we are saying to everyone and | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
have said before the election started, 2013 was exceptional for | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
Ukip, it really sparked as leading national politics, and we have led | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
national politics in this country ever since. In this round of the | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
elections, it was always going to be incredibly difficult and we have | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
never shied away from that. The difference between Ukip and the | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
other political parties is whilst they sacrifice their principles and | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
policies and morals to win seats and to focus on political power at all | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
costs, we are here to change the country. Even if that is that our | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
own expense. We won't be standing some Westminster candidates in some | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
weeks in the next few does represent seats in the next few weeks because | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
we are putting the country ahead of the party. Ukip is leading the | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
national agenda, we forced a Prime Minister to hold a referendum on EU | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
membership that he did not want, he had to resign. That is the influence | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
of Ukip, we did that with no MPs in Parliament. So is the message of | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
these results that voters think your purpose is over? The message is that | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
Theresa May is wearing the Emperor 's is, she's pretending to be Ukip. | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
She is doing rather well. The Tory spin doctors have played a blinder, | :12:00. | :12:11. | |
on the doorsteps we are hearing people saying we still want to vote | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
Ukip, we still believe in them, the 12th Prime Minister says you have to | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
bowled Conservative to protect real Brexit, our voters will Bullet for | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
her. The spin doctors have done a fantastic job. The reality could not | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
be further from the truth. As Home Office Minister Theresa May said she | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
would cut immigration to tens of thousands instead of hundreds of | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
thousands and failed to deliver, she will fail to deliver on Brexit as | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
well. What makes you think that? She campaigned for Remain, she does not | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
believe in our cause and I guarantee she will start backtracking. Let's | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
watch what she does rather than taking my word for it, but Ukip has | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
a huge feature both now and holding the Government to account, in this | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
general election I predict that people like the candidate in | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
Thurrock will be elected and start holding the feet of the Government | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
to the fire, it is essential we get Ukip MPs to protect a real Brexit. | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
Brandon, just a thought on Ukip's take on the Brexit process under | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
Theresa May? Where his argument falls down is that Theresa May | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
triggered Article 50 and said what -- and did what she said she would. | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
There is a simple choice, extrapolating for two June the 8th, | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
we will be choosing a party that will put into Downing Street a Prime | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
Minister who will be leading the negotiations for leaving the EU. It | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
is either Jeremy Corbyn Theresa May. That is the choice we have to make. | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
What we have seen in Northumberland is the importance that every vote | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
matters, that is why we will continue to work, as Theresa May has | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
done every day open last few weeks, to make the case about why we have | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
the best position and Theresa May is the best person to deliver the best | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
deal for the UK. Let's get a Lib Dem boys, can we go straight to city | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
Hall in Cardiff? Baroness Jenny Rand is and is there thank you for | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
joining us. Your thoughts on the Lib Dem performance today? It has always | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
been our intention to use these elections to start to rebuild the | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
party. They were never going to be simple or straightforward elections, | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
we live in turbulent times. One of the great things we have been able | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
to do in these elections is to use many of our thousands and thousands | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
of new members, and we have tens of thousands of them, in order to make | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
them party activists, actively engaged in campaigning for our core | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
messages, for the future, for the June election. Not easy elections, | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
not the results we would ideally have wanted in some areas, but we | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
have won seats from the other parties in some places and we are | :14:57. | :15:03. | |
really pleased about that. Looking at the figures for Cardiff, if I | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
may, they will, quite soon, and I wonder if you can talk us through | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
the Lib Dem performance? You took 11 seats in Cardiff. By my calculation | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
you lost five seats from 2012, when these elections were last conducted. | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
What accounts for that given that some of your Lib Dem colleagues told | :15:26. | :15:27. | |
me that parts of Cardiff were looking quite promising? | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
What we found on the doorstep was that once the general election had | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
been announced, the conversation we were having with people totally | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
changed. They stopped talking about how the council here in Cardiff was | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
run, they were not talking about bins and potholes and so on, they | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
were talking instead about Theresa May, whether they were in favour of | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
her or not, they were talking about Theresa May and the whole country. | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
And therefore what happened was that the party politics has hardened. | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
There is of course a surge in the Conservative vote but the Labour | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
vote also hardened here as people who are very certainly not | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
Conservatives went to them or tribal allegiance to the Labour Party. It | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
became difficult as a local election campaign to cut through on that, but | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
I think when we get to the general election we will find that we are | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
able to have a very clear message on Brexit and we are have to roll the | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
only UK National party that can give us that one clear message saying, we | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
are in favour of the EU, we are in favour of staying in the single | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
market, and we are in favour of giving people their voice on their | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
future. So far you are down 11 seats in Wales, obviously it is early | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
days, we will see what happens through the rest of the day in lots | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
of these English counties as well, but are you expecting in Wales at | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
least to be down or to be in positive territory? To be honest, I | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
don't know any longer what to expect on anything in politics! At least | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
you are honest, Jenny! LAUGHTER. | :17:25. | :17:32. | |
Every day brings a new shock! And I think quite a few people would agree | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
with me. But I do think that we will probably be down slightly. But it is | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
important to remember these seats were last fought in 2012. We have | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
been through a torrid times since then, not just in 2015 and the | :17:49. | :17:56. | |
general election, but in 2016 in the assembly election. I am proud of the | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
campaign we have run, a positive campaign across Wales and we do have | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
successes, we have won seats of the Conservatives, of Labour, and off | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
Plaid Cymru, and I think it is important that we look at where we | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
won those successes and build on that for the future. But we are not | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
in a really bad place, we are simply in the foothills of exercise. Good | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
to talk to you, Jenny Randerson, thank you very much, outside City | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
Hall in Cardiff for the Lib Dems. Thoughts, Laura? | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
Interesting to hear there, something we have heard quite a few MPs who | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
are now standing against say, actually, they feel there has been | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
more momentum in these local elections because suddenly there was | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
a general election which has made people turn to politics. A few | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
people have said to me in the last couple of weeks in a way they | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
wouldn't normally in local elections, they are pretty obscure, | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
turnout is low, but the general election may have changed the | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
backdrop, that is what Jenny has suggested have happened to the | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
Liberal Democrats in Wales. A couple of tips from my sources, we talked | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
earlier, looking to Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire much later in the | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
day, areas where Labour really wants to hold on because important | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
marginal areas for the general election, just suggestions at this | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
stage that Nottinghamshire may well be heading towards Tory hands, but | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
Derbyshire, in contrast, may well be, I am told, that Labour manages | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
to hold on. Lots of hours to go before we get those results but just | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
a couple of straws in the wind. Are you getting any intelligence on | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
those, Emily? My phone has packed up, so I am in freefall! I feel for | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
you, I really do! But it doesn't mean I don't have anything to say! | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
With Nottinghamshire going one way, Derbyshire and other... Potentially. | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
It underlines what I have been saying, we have been campaigning out | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
there, and realistically while there is Bristol, and large amount of | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
suburbia and countryside that would not be natural Labour hunting | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
territory, for us to end up just 5000 votes behind in the west of | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
England Matt is a fantastic result for Leslie and the local team, and | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
if you translate that across Labour marginals in Bristol and the | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
outskirts, that is a very good result for Labour, so it shows that | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
it is mixed. We will see whether our colleague in Bristol agrees with | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
that, straight to Bristol and join Paul bolt up who is there for us. | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
Picking up from what Emily is saying, talking about the West of | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
England mayoral contest, which was won by the Conservatives, what do | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
you read into that and the relative performances of the party is there? | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
First and foremost the Conservatives pleased to come through, I think | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
they felt they were favourites for it but they were never certain. | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
Having said that, when to May called the general election, it put a | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
spring into their step, gave them a bit of a boost, I think they got | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
more of their core vote out. As for Labour, many pundits had not | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
expected them to come second but if you look back to three consecutive | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
general elections, 97, 2001, 2005, in the areas that are part of the | :21:19. | :21:26. | |
West of England Mayorality, Labour came second in three general | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
elections in that area, so not quite the Tory heartland some people are | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
portraying it as. They did better than expected but didn't win, but | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
they will be looking carefully at how the votes stacked up. The Lib | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
Dems had high hopes round here, it was the one mayoral contest they | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
thought they had a decent chance in, third place, not too far behind, but | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
did not make the final two, so disappointment for their candidate. | :21:52. | :21:53. | |
Let's Hang on to the Lib Dem thought, I | :21:54. | :22:04. | |
will ask you to talk more about Somerset and Gloucestershire because | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
these are areas where in the past Lib Dems have had Parliamentary | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
representation as well, so talk us through those and see what the | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
trends are there. Absolutely, Somerset was a Lib Dem | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
heartland Full Sutton long time, the place where Paddy Ashdown built up | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
the party, they were expecting to go forwards, it was a council run by | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
the Conservatives but with a narrow majority. The Lib Dems even | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
yesterday talking about perhaps taking overall control. They did not | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
just fail to take overall control, it went backwards, they lost seats | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
in Somerset, are very poor result. There are always exceptions to the | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
rule, the county council's Conservative leader was unseated by | :22:40. | :22:50. | |
the Lib Dems, that was the one plus point, but overall a pretty poor | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
picture in Somerset and in what it says about their general election | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
prospects, it does not look good at all. If you go up the M5 into | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
Gloucestershire, slightly different emphasis. Again, Conservative Brent | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
Council, they did not have an overall majority going in but were | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
far and away the largest party in the last couple of years, they | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
increased their hold on the council. But in Gloucestershire's case, the | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
Lib Dems stayed pretty much where they were but it was Labour who lost | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
seats, from nine down to four. Bearing in mind during the early | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
years of the Blair Government, Labour and the Lib Dems together | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
were running Gloucestershire County Council. Labour have fallen an awful | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
long way in places like Gloucester, urban areas where they used to have | :23:36. | :23:48. | |
a Parliamentary seat, they now have just one county councillor | :23:49. | :23:49. | |
representing the city. They were losing seats to the Conservatives | :23:50. | :23:51. | |
yesterday. About Gloucestershire and Somerset, as we have seen elsewhere | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
in the country, Ukip had a pretty bad night. They knocked the | :23:55. | :23:56. | |
political establishment in the West Country four years ago picking up | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
seats on the councils but they lost all of them last night. | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
Good to talk to you, latest thoughts from the West of England, | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
Gloucestershire and Somerset, very interesting trends that we will pick | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
up on again, underlining some of the patterns we have seen elsewhere as | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
well. Lots of results still to come from | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
Scotland because they did not start counting in Scotland until 9am this | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
morning so there are dozens of councils up and of course we are | :24:21. | :24:30. | |
looking specifically Glasgow because that is where Labour has really been | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
dominant for decades and the SNP are very hopeful of getting control of | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
Glasgow. Annita McVeigh is there for us. | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
Good morning, yes, it promises to be a fascinating story in Glasgow, | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
right across Scotland. A number of big questions to consider, how will | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
be SNP do, have we seen peak National is perhaps? Will the | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
Conservatives do as well and Labour do as poorly as some polls have | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
suggested, here in Glasgow for example it is thought Labour might | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
lose control of the Council for the first time in 40 years. All of those | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
questions wrapped up if you like in the twin forces of Brexit and | :25:05. | :25:13. | |
independence, so these be the least local local elections that we have | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
seen here? With me to discuss that, I have members from the SNP and | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
Scottish Labour. Welcome to you both. A big disappointment for the | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
SNP in the last locals not to gain control of Glasgow Council. Can you | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
do it this time? I remember the count in 2012 well, it was a huge | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
disappointment, I have to say from yesterday's turnout and how it felt | :25:37. | :25:38. | |
in the polling stations we are cautiously optimistic. Whether we | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
lead the administration as the largest party, or a majority, would | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
be the icing on the cake, it would be huge for the party in our 18 | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
years of existence, having never come close to taking the | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
administration of Glasgow, but it is too early to tell yet. You have to | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
get every man, woman in Scottish Labour past the finishing point yet | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
you have not fielded candidates in all of the possible seats, two new | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
wards, six new seats created. Why haven't you done that? Is it a | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
strategic error? We are standing candidates across the local | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
authority in Glasgow, the reality is everyone accepts we are the underdog | :26:23. | :26:33. | |
in Glasgow, if you look at the elections it is not right to compare | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
like-for-like from the 2012 result, it is more reasonable to compare | :26:37. | :26:38. | |
what happened at the general election in 2015 when the SNP got | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
60% and last year when they got 53% of the vote, in this election the | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
SNP have said they want a majority in Glasgow, I'm not sure how that | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
will fall, we will see as the day goes on but I am proud of the | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
campaign and candidate in Glasgow, we are in the fight here. Why is | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
Scottish Labour the underdog, in your words? Is it because of Brexit, | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
because of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership more widely? We have to | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
accept politics changed in Scotland in 2014 when we saw the SNP surge | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
after the referendum is independent -- independence referendum. It is an | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
uncomfortable place for the Labour Party to be, we talk about | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
solidarity, equality, fairness, hope for our politics but our politics at | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
the moment is consumed with anger and division, that is a challenge | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
for the Labour Party but in Glasgow we have put forward a positive | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
message and a plan to move Glasgow Boreham Wood, we believe we have | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
transformed Glasgow in the last few years. This building shows the | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
amazing transformation Labour has made because Labour decisions in the | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
city, that is the policy plan, not talking endlessly about another | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
divisive referendum. On the doorsteps I'm sure people have been | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
concerned about local issues but have they been equally concerned | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
about Brexit and independence? The permutations would make your head | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
spin, Brexit, independence, local issues as well as many other issues | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
thrown in the mix. But our voters and supporters, I can only speak for | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
SNP supporters, they really want to change in Glasgow, this has been a | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
Labour run council for decades and decades, they are sick and tired of | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
the decisions made at Council level so they want change. Change was our | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
key message and let's see if have responded to that. Politicians all | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
put a spin on their own results, it would be a huge result for the SNP | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
in Glasgow if we were the lead party in the Administration. If you don't | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
emerge as the largest party here and get an overall majority, you may | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
emerge as the largest party but not get the majority to take overall | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
control, I beg your pardon, to take control of the Council, who would | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
you go into coalition with? We would look to the administration, as we | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
have said, we have had a good relationship with the Green Party, a | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
lot of our politics is the same, left of centre, focusing on | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
environmental issues, but similarly with many green counters in terms of | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
the referendum as well, but I am focused here, we want to get the | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
majority, we want to be over the line. If not, there are other | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
permutations, we could lead as a minority administration without | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
going into coalition. What we have said is we would not enter any | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
coalition with the Conservatives. If Labour does poorly in these | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
elections, what is next for the party here in Scotland and | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
nationally? We have to continue to fight for our values, Labour values | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
are more important now than ever before but we have seen that anger | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
and division and have to turn our focus to the general election on the | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
8th of June and said this country faces a clear choice, if you want to | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
carry on divisive politics, Tory versus SNP, but if you want to move | :29:51. | :30:03. | |
on from that and change the lives of people, when, women, children across | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
the United Kingdom, we need to get rid of the Tory Government and get a | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
Labour Government. Voting SNP does not do that. Thank you both so much | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
for your time today. So of course lots of questions about what the | :30:12. | :30:13. | |
eventual results here today will mean for the general election on the | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
8th of June and let me tell you as far as Glasgow is concerned, 43 is | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
the magic number, if the SNP can get 43 men and women elected towards | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
here then they will have overall control of Glasgow Council, removing | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
that controlled from Labour, which has held control for 40 years. And | :30:30. | :30:36. | |
for Labour, just a single one of the men and women standing for Scottish | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
Labour does not get elected today Ben debuts that overall control. A | :30:41. | :30:42. | |
fascinating story to unfold here. Many thanks to you and your guests | :30:43. | :30:53. | |
in Glasgow. Laura, the focus is clearly on Glasgow because it is | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
such a big, symbolic contest. But wait you think to whether | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
Conservatives had Parliamentary representation in the past in | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
Scotland, there are other interesting tests? More tellingly | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
for the general election, and there is not a direct read across, the | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
more telling barometers for the general election will be whether the | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
Tories can start nibbling back more seats in the Borders, Perthshire, | :31:19. | :31:29. | |
parts of Scotland where, years ago, they used to have a relatively | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
decent level of representation which fell away quite dramatically, but | :31:32. | :31:33. | |
now Theresa May and Ruth Davidson, the relatively popular Scottish Tory | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
leader, they are very hopeful of starting to take seats back. Theresa | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
May has already been on the stump in Scotland. Tory leaders in relatively | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
recent history would not have dream. Spending much time there. Emily, I | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
am very concerned about your iPhone. Is it working? I don't know. Leg | :31:50. | :31:57. | |
raid has an apple on it. It only has about 5% battery. The very good news | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
is you will not be getting the spin messages from Labour HQ so you will | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
have $2 what you think. If it was switched on is working, you would | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
know Doncaster has produce good news. | :32:10. | :32:16. | |
This was one of the mayoral contests in a single authority, not a big, | :32:17. | :32:24. | |
multi-authority. Russ Jones has been re-elected for Labour. -- Ros Jones | :32:25. | :32:35. | |
has been re-elected. The turnout was quite low, 29%. That is something we | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
might want to talk about later to do with the profile of these jobs and | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
to what extent they have made an impact on local voters, in many | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
cases they are powerful positions. If I can bring up the difference on | :32:53. | :32:54. | |
the last contest. Quite a significant increase for the | :32:55. | :33:05. | |
Tories but not enough to win the seat. | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
We have a swing in Doncaster, 0.8% from the Labour to the | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
Conservatives. There was an independent there before. Ros Jones | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
has been re-elected, the Conservatives in second place. | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
A quick word on Doncaster, Emily? Boom. | :33:26. | :33:33. | |
I saw an interesting quote from Russ Jones earlier, I hope I'm not being | :33:34. | :33:41. | |
unfair, this is all to do with the fact that we as Labour and Doncaster | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
have done a good job, locally -- I saw an interesting quote from Ros | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
Jones. Was clear about a local campaign. Is that fair? This is what | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
local elections are meant to be about, we have strong local | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
candidates putting out strong local messages, of course that is what | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
local council elections will be about. It is confused when a general | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
election is called the local election, it is difficult to know if | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
people are voting nationally or locally. As we heard from the Lib | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
Dem for Wales, the Labour votes in Wales has solidified. Her | :34:22. | :34:23. | |
interpretation is that in the last couple of weeks and people have been | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
thinking, you know, if there is going to be a conservative or Labour | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
government, we're not going anywhere other than Labour. But listen, we | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
have to work really hard, we have a few weeks left before the general | :34:41. | :34:42. | |
election and we had to make sure that people understand there is a | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
choice, it does not have to be this way, it does not have to be a | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
Conservative Government, Labour is the alternative, but we will not be | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
in government if we do not get the vote out and get people to votes | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
Labour. On the basis of the results elsewhere in England and parts of | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
Wales, where does that leave you in terms of confidence looking ahead in | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
the next few weeks? It is all to fight for. We have a very large | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
membership, we have to make sure people are roads to people and | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
explaining -- people are out talking to people and we need to think | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
carefully about the policies and how we can make Britain better, that is | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
what politics ought to be about. I must break now to join Joanna | :35:29. | :35:30. | |
Gosling again for the latest news. The Conservatives have made big | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
gains in the council elections in England and Wales, | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
recording their best Many of the votes cast | :35:38. | :35:38. | |
yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales are still to be | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
counted, but Labour have suffered losses and Ukip have failed | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
to win a single seat. The Conservatives have been | :35:45. | :35:47. | |
celebrating a series of victories Initial results show the Tories | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
taking control of five local councils and winning more council | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
seats than any other party. The Tories also celebrated victory | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
in the West of England, where the Conservative Tim Bowles | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
was elected to the newly created However, senior members | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
of the Conservative Party are downplaying the significance | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
of that victory, saying many votes I think the early results | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
are encouraging, but they are early We have seen less than a quarter | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
of the vote actually counted The turnout in local elections, | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
of course, is much, much It is wrong to predict | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
what will happen We still have a general | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
election to campaign for and to win after last night, | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
but encouraging signs. Elsewhere Labour have | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
lost three councils, Despite the losses in Wales, | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
Labour did hold Cardiff Council. The party was also victorious | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
in Doncaster, where its candidate Ros Jones, the Labour mayor | :36:51. | :36:52. | |
was re-elected, securing Labour has defended | :36:53. | :36:54. | |
its performance so far. The Party's Shadow Chancellor, | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
John McDonnell, told people to wait for results elsewhere to come | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
in before judging the If you look at where we have really | :37:02. | :37:13. | |
campaigned hard in terms of Wales in particular, Jeremy Corbyn was down | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
in Cardiff, there has been a lot of work on the ground with a membership | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
knocking on doors, we have defied all predictions on the losses. Where | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
we have lost in south Wales, what is interesting, it has not been to the | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
Tories in terms of what has happened in Merthyr Tydfil and Blaenau Gwent, | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
they have returned to independents, which they were before 2012. It is | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
difficult to extrapolate from local government results anyway. | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
It's been a disappointing night for Ukip. | :37:43. | :37:43. | |
The party failed to win any of the seats it contested - | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
losing 39 previously held council seats. | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
-- losing 42 previously helps... Held council seats. | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
Ukip says it still has sitting councillors in the country, | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
although those positions were not up for election this time. | :37:57. | :37:58. | |
It's been a night of mixed results for the Liberal Democrats. | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
A short time ago the Party had lost 28 council seats. | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
The Lib Dems also failed to retake Somerset Council | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
from the Conservatives, although the Tory leader John Osman | :38:08. | :38:09. | |
was ousted by Lib Dem former MP Tessa Munt. | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
Despite the overall picture of the Conservatives performing well, some | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
electro battles have been very close indeed. The winner of the seat in | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
Northumberland county council was decided by drawing straws after two | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
candidates received the same number of votes. Here is the moment that | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
the Lib Dem candidate selected a longer stroll to claim the seat. | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
That meant the Conservatives were denied overall control of the | :38:38. | :38:38. | |
council. The final day of campaigning has | :38:39. | :38:39. | |
begun in the French presidential election before voting takes | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
place on Sunday. Polls show that the centrist, | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
Emmanuel Macron, maintains a clear lead over the far right candidate | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
Marine Le Pen. Our correspondent Karin Giannone | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
is in Paris with the latest. Welcome to a busy Friday in Central | :38:49. | :39:02. | |
Paris. It is anything but normal because we are into the final hours | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
of the 20 17th residential election campaign. Come midnight French time, | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
the candidates must fall silent and campaigning will be over before the | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
vote on Sunday. It has been an incredible campaign so far, | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
extraordinary and particularly bad tempered. The final debate on | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
Wednesday was one of the most heated that a French presidential election | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
has ever seen. It is not an Marine Le Pen any favours, Emmanuel Macron | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
has increased his lead in the polls to 62% against her 38%. Let's give | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
you a flavour of what the papers make into Friday, the final day. | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
The financial newspaper talks about Macron and Le Pen, a battle against | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
extremism and says that Emmanuel Macron is the favourite going into | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
the second round. They call it an extraordinary, unprecedented | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
election campaign. Le Figaro calls Marine Le Pen's | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
campaign is shipwrecked, they talk about Macron being the arch | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
favourite. Marine Le Pen always says the mainstream media are against her | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
and this would be typical of their stunts. They call her the big loser | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
of the televised debate. Le Monde, another daily, Marine Le | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
Pen, it talks about the strategy of the live. Inside Le Monde they have | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
19 fact that the same Marine Le Pen said in the presidential debate -- | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
19 fact that they say Marine Le Pen said. They say she was lying in all | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
maintain cases. Let's show you a left-wing | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
newspaper, that is Jean-Marie Le Pen, Marine Le Pen's father and the | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
founder of the National front. They say she has not changed, forcing | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
what Marine Le Pen has always wanted to move on from a future image | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
without her father's shadow, they say it is effectively the same Le | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
Pen. It is not a dead cert for a Emmanuel Macron, 20% of voters are | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
undecided so there is plenty to pay for. -- play for. | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
The Government is set to publish draft plans to tackle air pollution | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
following a legal battle with environmental campaigners. | :41:17. | :41:17. | |
The measures are expected to include a scheme to encourage | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
drivers of older diesels to scrap their cars. | :41:21. | :41:21. | |
And also the removal of speed bumps to cut pollution caused by cars | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
braking and accelerating. A British man has died | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
while skydiving in Thailand. It happened in the Thai | :41:28. | :41:29. | |
resort town of Pattaya. 69-year-old James McConnell - | :41:30. | :41:31. | |
an experienced skydiver - leapt from a plane and landed | :41:32. | :41:33. | |
in a nearby reservoir missing the airstrip | :41:34. | :41:35. | |
at the Thai Sky Adventures airbase. This picture is from a previous | :41:36. | :41:37. | |
jump. His son has posted a message | :41:38. | :41:39. | |
on social media saying That's a summary of the news - | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
now back to Local Elections Welcome back to live coverage of the | :41:43. | :42:10. | |
local election results in England, Wales and Scotland. We have spoken | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
about some of the results already and I want to bring you another, one | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
of the big English counties. Let's look at Essex, this is a county the | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
Conservatives have held, relatively comfortably. | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
A huge majority of 37. You may be wondering why in Essex we do not | :42:30. | :42:40. | |
have Ukip on the graph. The reason is they have actually lost all their | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
seats there and they are not in the first six. That is the history of | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
what is going on, we will ask Peter about that in a second, in Essex, of | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
all places, where they did so well in 2013. 14 games to the | :42:55. | :42:56. | |
Conservatives. Sticking with that, I want to go to | :42:57. | :43:10. | |
my colleague Andrew Sinclair in Norfolk, Great Yarmouth. He can talk | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
to us well the count is going on where you are, talk to us about | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
Essex and what you see in that result? | :43:20. | :43:28. | |
(INAUDIBLE) Stop a second, Andrew, I was hoping | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
we would get your sound but I don't think we have it, do we? | :43:33. | :43:39. | |
Are we likely to get Andrew back? Can you hear me OK now? Andrew, talk | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
us through that ethics result? Yes, I was just about to say that | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
four years ago you could really made a name for themselves both across | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
East Anglia but particularly in Norfolk, they came from nowhere to | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
win seats, a notable number, right across East Anglia. It seems as if | :43:59. | :44:06. | |
we are now seeing the Ukip vote disintegrating before our eyes. In | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
the last few seconds the Tories have taken a seat from Ukip. Ukip, as you | :44:10. | :44:17. | |
said, were completely wiped out in Essex last night. The early | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
indications from Norfolk and Suffolk are that Ukip will do very badly. I | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
was speaking to a senior Ukip figure is short while ago as he looked at | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
the boats coming out of the boxes and he said, I could try to put a | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
positive spin on this but I can see what is before my eyes -- as he | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
looked up the votes coming out of the boxes. We have had two results | :44:39. | :44:52. | |
declared so far, you could have lost both seats, want to Labour, want to | :44:53. | :44:54. | |
the Conservatives. It does not look good for them, if they can't win | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
seats in their Great Yarmouth stronghold in Norfolk, I think they | :44:58. | :44:59. | |
will do badly. Labour lost seats in Essex, they are expecting a bad time | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
in Norfolk but as I just said, they have taken a seat from Ukip this | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
morning. If Brandon Lewis is with you he might want to know that the | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
person who took the seat for Labour is the candidate standing against | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
him in the general election. Very interesting. Looking ahead five | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
weeks, I know this is a risky game, but give us a sense of where you | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
think these patterns of voting are shifting? | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
One has to put in the caveat that this isn't local election with low | :45:31. | :45:37. | |
turnout, and many people vote differently in local elections to | :45:38. | :45:39. | |
general elections but the feeling I have picked up on the ground, begin | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
to be reflected in results in East Anglia, is that Ukip are in serious | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
trouble and that, for Ukip, is very serious because they have seen | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
Anglia as their stronghold of support, it is where they always | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
could be sure of is very big, strong following. East Anglia recorded a | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
very large Leave vote in the referendum last year, so Ukip do | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
seem to be doing very badly at the moment and that does not look good | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
for them as we go into the general election campaigns. No sign either, | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
though, of a Lib Dem revival, not showing at all in Great Yarmouth, no | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
real surprise, they have never done particularly well here, but they did | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
not do very well in Essex last night either. | :46:25. | :46:26. | |
Good to talk to you, we will be back to you when we get some more results | :46:27. | :46:29. | |
from Norfolk, thank you for taking us through the Essex results. | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
Lots of interest in the studio. Laura? It is interesting what we | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
have seen since the referendum with Ukip looking for a new identity. | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
They came up with what were controversial ideas at the start of | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
this general election campaign, such as banning the burqa. Steven Woolfe | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
has just told our colleagues on 5 Live that darker forces, to use his | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
phrase, who pushed policies like banning the burqa are to blame the | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
big Ukip meltdown. Do you think he is right? Steven Woolfe is one of | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
the chaps who got elected as Ukip and then decided to join the | :47:07. | :47:08. | |
Conservative Party so I have very little to say about him, to be | :47:09. | :47:16. | |
frank. But if the right? No, Ukip policies are incredibly consistent, | :47:17. | :47:18. | |
we don't go charging around like the old parties looking at polling and | :47:19. | :47:25. | |
changing our policies based on it. We have a consistent policy. On the | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
burqa, we have always said the law should apply equally to everyone, if | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
I cannot walk into a bank wearing a crash helmet, why should anyone else | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
be able to wear a face covering, no matter their religion? This country | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
has always been tolerant and has always had one rule for all, that is | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
what Ukip is standing up for. In terms of national trends, the big | :47:46. | :47:47. | |
story that does not seem to be being discussed is about the Lib Dem | :47:48. | :48:11. | |
leadership. Look at what the Lib Dem leader campaigned his leadership on, | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
it was all about his track record as a campaigner, all about how he will | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
put the Liberal Democrats back on the map and wind local Government | :48:18. | :48:19. | |
elections with his pro-EU stance, and the fact is his entire mandate | :48:20. | :48:21. | |
as leader of the Liberal Democrats has just collapsed... It is a brave | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
attempt to switch attention to the Lib Dems! We will talk, of course, | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
we spoke to Jenny earlier and will speak to more Lib Dems later when | :48:28. | :48:29. | |
they are here to defend themselves. Looking at Essex, you have nothing | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
left in terms of county councillors there, what is that down to? Why are | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
voters deserted you? It is very clear, we have a Prime Minister who | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
has painted herself in Ukip colours, who has said that in order to do | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
what Ukip is here to achieve, you have to vote Conservative. When they | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
announce the Parliamentary election, going against everything the fixed | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
parliamentary act was made to protect the country from, she has | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
rode roughshod over that, bringing forward a cynical ploy to trick | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
people into voting Conservative. Let's be clear, the Prime Minister | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
is the puppet of Ukip and its agenda, that is absolutely what this | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
election is playing out. That is quite something to say, that Theresa | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
May is a puppet of Ukip, Brendan? I would not think that has any | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
credibility with anyone who hears that. Theresa May is very much a | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
strong, stable person in her own right... | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
LAUGHTER. It is 10:49am, we got through nearly | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
120 minutes on air before that came out, well done! Theresa May gables | :49:28. | :49:36. | |
the biggest U-turn in history, she is now pro-Brexit! This is somebody | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
who has a track record of delivering in top circumstances, it is who we | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
want at the negotiating table in Europe. Let's pause for a second, we | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
have been joined by John Curtice again. It has been at least 1.5 | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
hours since we spoke, we were talking about Ukip initially, and | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
note that we have got here from you and your team saying tentative signs | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
that the increase in Conservative support is greater in places where | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
there was a high Leave vote in the referendum in 2016, tell us more | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
about that? Yes, there is, the truth is it looks as though the | :50:15. | :50:18. | |
Conservative vote has increased more heavily in places where the Leave | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
vote was strongest back in June last year. It has risen rather less where | :50:24. | :50:33. | |
it went out the least. The opinion polls having Remain voters switching | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
to the Conservatives, the second thing to bear in mind is the section | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
of England in which we had elections yesterday was the section of England | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
most likely to vote Leave and I think it would therefore be even | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
more interesting now to look to see what happens in those mayoral | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
contests which are taking place in which more urban, rather more | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
pro-stay-macro places to see whether that is replicated. I want to draw | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
your attention to something else more important, we have the first | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
evidence from Scotland, Scotland is going to be a difficult story to | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
follow because as most of the councils are fighting seats on new | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
ward boundaries, so it will be a long time before we get voting | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
figures, however the Scottish Borders, an area the Conservatives | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
are hoping to take a Parliamentary seat from the SNP, is one of the few | :51:27. | :51:32. | |
places where the wards this time I have the same as last time and what | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
we find? The Conservative vote, the share of the first preference vote | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
under the proportional representation system, is up by 19 | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
points compared with 2012. That performance is consistent with the | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
kinds of figures of around 30% vote across Scotland as a whole in recent | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
opinion polls. Conversely, the SNP vote is only up by three points, | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
which I think they would certainly hope they will do better than that | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
in other parts of Scotland. The first sign that perhaps those double | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
in Scotland there is a Conservative revival and maybe it is going to | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
tell in places where it could make a difference on June the 8th. One | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
other thing to say about that, there was not much of a Labour vote in | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
this ward in the first place but they still managed to go down by | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
five percentage points. That is intriguing, John. The hold | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
that thought on Scotland for a moment, we expect most of the | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
results to come through this afternoon and towards tea-time, so | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
with what you said in mind, we have concentrated on Glasgow because of | :52:33. | :52:34. | |
the battle between the SNP and Labour, which are the ones should we | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
now be looking out for? You mentioned the Scottish Borders, | :52:40. | :52:51. | |
which areas will be most telling? As far as the English border where | :52:52. | :53:03. | |
support tends to be low. Perth, Kinross, Aberdeenshire, places where | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
the SNP have historically been strong but in last year's Scottish | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
parliament election the Conservatives did relatively well, | :53:12. | :53:14. | |
so as far as the Conservative SNP battle is concerned, that is where | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
we are focused, that is where the Tories' hopes of getting seats in | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
July. Another completely different battle between the SNP and Labour, I | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
certainly wouldn't presume that we can infer anything about Glasgow | :53:32. | :53:34. | |
from what happened in the Scottish Borders and we will need to wait | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
much longer before we get some evidence as to whether the SNP is | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
advancing relatively strongly in what we used to call red Clydeside | :53:43. | :53:48. | |
but these days seems to be rather more like nationalist Clydeside. One | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
final point, we have had quite a debate in the studio about the | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
relative areas of Labour's performance, just a judgment on how | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
Labour is doing generally? The truth is, if one takes the Labour Party's | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
objective on June the 8th to be elected as the Government and to | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
replace the Conservative Party in office, the evidence at these local | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
elections is that it is an awful long way away from that objective, | :54:15. | :54:16. | |
and that indeed if the general election had | :54:17. | :54:33. | |
been held yesterday the Labour Party would have suffered an even bigger | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
defeat than it did in 2015, so from that point of view this is not good | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
news for the Labour Party. But, more results to come, we will see whether | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
or not the pattern is different in more urban parts of England, but the | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
truth if it is not encouraging for existing Labour MPs. Labour might | :54:46. | :54:47. | |
still hope to narrow the Tory lead but winning this election, well, | :54:48. | :54:50. | |
shall we say it would be quite a stupendous performance if Labour win | :54:51. | :54:52. | |
the general election from the baseline that these local election | :54:53. | :54:54. | |
results seem to be pointing to. John, we will talk again later. John | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
mentioned the big battle in Glasgow between the SNP and Labour, the | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
SNP's sister party in Wales is Plaid Cymru, and Leanne Wood, the leader, | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
is in the Rhondda for us. Bore da, Leanne, thank you for joining us. | :55:10. | :55:18. | |
Bore da, Hugh Labour holds onto Cardiff, Newport, and Swansea, the | :55:19. | :55:25. | |
Plaid Cymru has not managed to put the brakes on their performance in | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
those areas, what is your explanation for that? I haven't got | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
an idea of the whole picture yet, results are still coming out for | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
Wales but it looks as though Plaid Cymru has made breakthroughs in new | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
ground, I'm delighted to be able to report to you that Darren Macey has | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
just taken a seat in the Rhondda which we have never held before, we | :55:51. | :55:58. | |
have held all but two in the Rhondda but that is why we have never held | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
and we have just taken new ground in Denbighshire on top of gains in | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
Bridgend, in Port Talbot, and other places throughout the country. We | :56:08. | :56:15. | |
are looking set to do well as well as holding onto control in Kerry did | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
young, so it is a good picture for us today in Plaid Cymru, I am here | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
to talk about Plaid Cymru, not other parties. If you want to comment on | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
Labour's woes, I suggest you speak to them. I certainly will, but given | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
you don't have the overall picture, B give you the figures. So far in | :56:34. | :56:39. | |
Wales, Labour have lost 75 councillors, the Independents have | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
gained 21, the Tories have gained 50, Plaid Cymru have gained 14, the | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
Lib Dems have lost nine, the Greens have gained one. 15 games now, we | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
have just put it in, to Plaid Cymru, is that the level of performance you | :56:53. | :56:59. | |
are satisfied with? Well, we still have a lot of results to come | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
through yet, we are in the middle of account here in the Rhondda, some | :57:03. | :57:08. | |
interesting looking piles of votes here, there are results expected in | :57:09. | :57:17. | |
Carmarthenshire and Gwyneth, we are expecting some more surprises in | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
areas that we have never held ground in before. So far things are looking | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
good for Plaid Cymru, and it puts us in a good position to contest the UK | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
election on June the 8th, especially in places like this in the Rhondda | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
and seats that we will be looking to take, like Ynys Mon. Leanne Wood, | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
good to talk to you from the Rhondda, thank you for joining us | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
today. The Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood. | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
Going back to Scotland, Labour and Tory sources telling me that in | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
Scotland the Tory vote share is up very significantly, suggested by | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
Tory sources that they are doing well in what would normally be | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
considered no-go areas for them like Midlothian, that part of the Central | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
belt between Edinburgh and Glasgow that for decades has been Labour | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
held, the SNP surge the last couple of years, the Tories picking up | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
there as well. We will be back with the panel in a | :58:14. | :58:19. | |
while. Time for us to take a quick break and we are going to get the | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
latest now on the weather, with Phil. | :58:23. | :58:26. | |
The weather not only for Wales but across the British Isles, and I take | :58:27. | :58:32. | |
you immediately to a fine line of washing in Tadcaster, that is to | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
remind me to tell you later how windy it is across the Pennines | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
area. From the south, you can make other uses of a fairly strong wind | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
affecting some of the channel coast at the moment. Cloudy in painting | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
but across Lyme Bay I have seen superb pictures from the weather | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
Watchers this morning of just how glorious the weather is in the area | :58:53. | :58:54. | |
around about Portland. It is not just there, | :58:55. | :59:14. | |
thanks to the area of high pressure which has been a familiar friend in | :59:15. | :59:17. | |
recent days, not a great deal of change at the moment in the weather | :59:18. | :59:19. | |
Overall. We still have a noticeable breeze coming in off a chilly North | :59:20. | :59:22. | |
Sea so if you are spending any time in the Eastern counties of Scotland | :59:23. | :59:25. | |
and England, you will know about the suppressed temperatures, despite the | :59:26. | :59:27. | |
glorious weather that goes with it. The western side of Scotland, the | :59:28. | :59:29. | |
West of Northern Ireland, out towards the Lancashire coast, we | :59:30. | :59:32. | |
could be looking at 16, 17, 18, possibly 19 degrees. Further south, | :59:33. | :59:34. | |
though I showed you the grim picture in Paignton, there is a breeze, more | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
of a chance today of staying dry and seeing some sunshine, which has not | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
been that prevalent across the South. It could well be that we will | :59:42. | :59:53. | |
see some rain from the weather front getting into the very far | :59:54. | :59:54. | |
south-west, towards the Channel Islands, certainly into the Isles of | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
Scilly, as we go through the evening. Overnight, I think a game | :59:58. | :59:59. | |
there is a touch of frost across Scotland as we go through the first | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
part of the night so watch out for that as well. Into Saturday, still | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
have the weather front close by to the far south-west but if you are | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
looking for rain more widely across central and southern parts of | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
England, having had such a dry spell, it is probably not a feature | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
for you. Further north, essentially dry, fair amount of cloud, through | :00:17. | :00:26. | |
Wales and the Midlands may a spot of rain first up, and again the onshore | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
breeze kills the feel of the day across eastern shores. To complete | :00:30. | :00:31. | |
the weekend, Saturday into Sunday, a change of wind direction but still | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
cool, coming in from the north and north-east, said the eastern coast | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
again perhaps a bit more cloud than you have seen of late across | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
Scotland, towards the West is where you see the best of the temperatures | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
and still but rather chilly feel in the East. | :00:47. | :00:59. | |
It's 11 o'clock, and you're watching our special live | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
coverage of the local elections in England, Wales and Scotland. | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
Thousands of councillors being elected overnight and today, | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
responsible for delivering your essential public services - and all | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
of this happening, unusually, during a general election campaign. | :01:19. | :01:27. | |
That has cast a shadow over these contests. | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
We'll have results as they're declared, and we'll be getting | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
reaction from the parties to what's going on. | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
It's been a very good night for the Conservatives | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
They've taken control of the councils in Gloucestershire, | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
Lincolnshire, Warwickshire and Monmouthshire. | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
They've also won the West of England Mayoral contest. | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
And it looks at this early stage that they're heading for their best | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
set of local elections for a decade or more. | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
It has been a disappointing night the Labour. | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
They're going backwards in England, and in Wales they've lost | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
overall control of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil, two councils | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
But they have held on to their key Welsh strongholds of Cardiff, | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
They've also won the mayoral contest in Doncaster. | :02:10. | :02:17. | |
And it has been a pretty bad night for Ukip. | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
And the party has been wiped out on councils like Lincolnshire, | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
Their vote share is down dramatically, most of it | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
-- we will be live in Birmingham to look at the West Midlands metro may | :02:30. | :02:48. | |
contest. Expected to be a close contest between the Conservatives | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
and Labour. That count will go on for quite some time yet. And we will | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
be live in Glasgow as well, when the counting is on the way. -- where. | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
The SNP are trying to take the City Council from Labour. | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
We'll be covering the results from Scotland as they come in. | :03:06. | :03:21. | |
In a moment, more from our guests, and we have some new members of the | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
panel. I will give them a proper introduction. Laura is still with | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
me. Before we do any of that, let's look at the latest numbers that we | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
have. This is very important. The numbers have been changing a little. | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
We had a huge surge overnight and now we are in a bit of a lull before | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
we get more results in the afternoon. So far, 170 games for the | :03:46. | :03:53. | |
Tories. -- gains. Ukip have not held any seeds so far. | :03:54. | :04:09. | |
12 seats to the Green Party. That is the picture. That is the picture in | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
terms of councillors. In a short while we will look at more specific | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
areas. We will have a full round-up. It is a good moment to join Joanna | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
further news and the other news as well. | :04:25. | :04:25. | |
The Conservatives have made big gains in the local | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
elections in England and Wales, recording their best | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
Many votes are still to be counted, but the Tories have gained | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
control of five councils, while Labour have lost three. | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
Ukip have so far failed to win a single seat they were defending. | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
With the story so far, here's our political | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
It is the Conservatives with the biggest cheers. They won control of | :04:48. | :05:03. | |
Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Gloucestershire and the Isle of | :05:04. | :05:04. | |
Wight. Charles Bowles is duly elected | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
as the West of England Mayor. In the West of England the | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
Conservative candidate made history by becoming a regional mayor. In | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
Cumbria, the Tories have replaced Labour as the largest party. But | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
senior Conservatives are playing down expectations ahead of the | :05:24. | :05:24. | |
general election. The turnout in local | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
elections, of course, is much, much lower | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
than a general election. It is wrong to predict | :05:29. | :05:29. | |
what will happen on June the 8th. | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
We have a general election to campaign | :05:33. | :05:33. | |
for and to win after The Tories are celebrating in Essex | :05:34. | :05:47. | |
as well, where this time around voters turned their back on Ukip. In | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
Lincolnshire, where the Ukip leader, Paul Nuttall, will fight for a | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
Westminster seat next month, the party was wiped out. With no win so | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
far, the Ukip future is in question. I have been Ukip for four years. The | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
amount of times I have heard a Ukip is finished, if I had a pound for | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
everyone, I would probably quite a bit woman. It is not over until it | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
is over. And despite these pretty poor election results so far, it is | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
not over. There was positive news for Labour. | :06:22. | :06:22. | |
In Doncaster, they held onto the elected mayor's job, but the | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
party has lost scores of seats in swing areas. | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
These counties are the Tories' strongholds. | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
It was going to be a tough night for Labour, and we're in | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
the middle of the general election campaign. | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
Mixed motives, people voting largely on local issues, not national ones. | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
But what is coming across is that where people | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
predicted we would be wiped out, in places like Wales, | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
The Lib Dems are made so far it has been a mixed set of results for | :06:46. | :06:57. | |
them. We have held our ground in the face of a massive shift. An enormous | :06:58. | :07:04. | |
shift of Ukip voters to the Conservatives. Given that that | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
happened, we have done well to stay where we are. The Green Party says | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
with the Conservatives dominating, other parties need to collaborate. | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
There is a strong message that people want the parties to be | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
working together rather than against one another. Under this kind of | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
system it is clear when we stand against one another, we lose ground | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
and the Conservatives gain. Local elections results do not translate | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
to a general election, but they are a significant barometer. The outcome | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
will influence the tactics of the main parties over the next few | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
weeks. First son, the results today have been too close to call. The | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
Tories were denied an overall majority in Northumberland after the | :07:47. | :07:53. | |
Lib Dem candidate literally drew the longest straw. For now, back to the | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
counting. Plenty of that to be done. The final day of campaigning has | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
begun in the French presidential Polls show that the centrist | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
opponent Marine Le Pen. Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
a lawsuit over online rumours that he had a secret bank account | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
in the Caribbean. He has strongly denied | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
the allegations. A British man has died | :08:13. | :08:22. | |
while skydiving in Thailand. It happened in the Thai | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
resort town of Pattaya. 69-year-old James McConnell - | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
an experienced skydiver - leapt from a plane and landed | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
in a nearby reservoir missing the airstrip | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
at the Thai Sky Adventures airbase. His son has posted a message | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
on social media saying That's a summary of the news - | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
now back to Local Elections Welcome back once again to our | :08:39. | :09:05. | |
studio at Westminster. We are covering the live results from the | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
local elections in England and Wales. Getting some signals of what | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
might be in store in Scotland. Very early days there of course because | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
most of the Scottish results will not come in until later this | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
afternoon. Key battle grounds, not just in terms of the local contests, | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
but we might look at Padron 's looking ahead towards the general | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
election. Lots to discuss. -- patter ands. We have a look at some of the | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
results we have already had and maybe look at some of the details. | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
We have a new panel. Diane Abbott is with us. And the Conservative Sam | :09:42. | :09:49. | |
Gyimah. And the Lib Dems Tom Brake. Laura is still with me. Can we start | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
on Scotland? I know you have been getting some intelligence? There is | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
a pattern emerging. What the Tories hope to do in the general election | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
is borne out by the local results. That is, start to make progress in | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
areas where Tories frankly went out with the ark. In Midlothian and | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
five, parts of Scotland that are laboured to the core, seats are | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
being won by the Conservatives. -- Labour. In Clackmannanshire are | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
there was no Tory representation whatsoever, but overnight that has | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
changed. They have representation in every ward. And one big scalp, I'm | :10:26. | :10:33. | |
told the SNP leader in Fife Council, Gordon Brown's old backyard, has | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
lost his seat to a Conservative. A picture that is bad for the Labour | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
Party and bad for the SNP, although we do expect the SNP to take Glasgow | :10:42. | :10:49. | |
Consul, a big totemic win. Can we pick up on the Conservative prospect | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
in Scotland, and whether what Laura says makes sense to you? We are | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
seeing encouraging results across the country for the Conservative | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
Party. In Scotland, we have had Ruth Davidson, who has run a terrific and | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
energetic campaign, we would expect to move forward. It will be a | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
challenge overtaking Labour. They have four times as many councillors | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
as we have. The key thing emerging from not just Scotland but England | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
and Wales is that on the Theresa May, her strong and stable | :11:21. | :11:28. | |
leadership is cutting through. Her position on Brexit is resonating. | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
Particularly in Scotland, we are the party that supports the union and | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
will stand up for the union while the other parties want to break up | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
our country. That last comment is clearly not true. The Liberal | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
Democrats don't want to break up the union in Scotland. I think perhaps | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
there was some of that happening in terms of people identify which of | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
the parties could challenge the SNP. Maybe the Conservatives benefited | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
from that. I hope the same will be true in some areas where the Liberal | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
Democrats are strong. Diane, your thoughts so far on the Labour | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
performance? There is no question these are different results -- | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
disappointing results. But I think we have to be careful from | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
extrapolating from local elections to the general. The turnout is much | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
lower. And in many cases people vote on specifically local issues. But I | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
am not pretending that these are not disappointing results. Stephen | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
Kinnock was on early saying something similar to what you said | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
but he said that they were frankly with disastrous results. Is that a | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
word you would use? I wouldn't use that word. In Wales there were | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
disappointing but certainly not as bad as the polling suggested. We | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
have held Cardiff, we have increased representation in Swansea. So I | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
wouldn't use the word disastrous at all. The point he was making was | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
that lots of Labour campaigners have been let down, he felt, by weakness | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
in terms of the leadership. I know that is a theme we have discussed | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
many times in the past. But on a day when Labour is counting significant | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
losses in some areas, is it fair for him to raise that theme? Stephen is | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
entitled to his own opinion. What we are saying is that we do better | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
overall in Wales than the opinion polls would seem to indicate. We | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
still think there is all to play for in the general election. Laura, what | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
is your thought in terms of the Labour performance generally? Are | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
not being specific in terms of Wales or Scotland. Look, the convention | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
is, and this is challenged by Labour HQ this morning, if it parties on | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
track to even have a shot at taking power in a general election, they | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
should be stacking up seats in local elections. It is not a direct reader | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
cross. There are local issues. But that is what convention dictates. If | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
you follow that convention, this is a bad set of results for the Labour | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
Party. I think what we will hear more from Labour MPs across the | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
piece, apart from the core around Jeremy Corbyn, is people saying, as | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
they already have been saying, they will talk about voting for their | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
local MPs, they will talk about voting to have a strong opposition, | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
they will, wherever possible, not talk about Jeremy Corbyn. And the | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
message from the core around Jeremy Corbyn would be very different. We | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
have heard John McDonnell saying this morning that the more people | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
see of Jeremy Corbyn, the more they like him. That is not what the | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
results suggest. We are in a political era where the conventions | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
are being smashed. Dangerous to refer to convention. I still think | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
there is everything to play for. Everything to play for when it comes | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
to June the 8th? Yes, there is everything to play for. We know that | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
in a local election people would do things that they wouldn't do in a | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
general. The idea that it is all done and dusted for the general | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
election is a fallacy. You can't extrapolate from the local | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
to the general election, even though this is a highly unusual local | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
election happening in the middle of the general election. So she is | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
right. That is why we are not taking anything for granted under the | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
Conservative side. If you want to Theresa May as your Prime Minister | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
you have two fold for her on June the 8th. Something quite clear about | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
the Korber leadership is he has lost his party, he has -- he is losing in | :15:32. | :15:39. | |
the Labour heartlands and he hasn't spoken on Brexit. Not many people | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
can see him sitting opposite 27 leaders negotiating for our country. | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
If you do want the right Prime Minister, who I believe is Theresa | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
May, you have two vote for her. One thing that is certain as a result of | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
these results is that the Conservatives are not going to be | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
able to run this line of the coalition of chaos. We can | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
extrapolate something from these results. That looks as though it is | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
very likely there will be a Conservative majority. Who is going | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
to be providing the opposition and what size will that majority be due | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
I hope we're not going to hear from the Prime Minister, coalition of | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
chaos, and that is something Tim Farron has completely excluded. The | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
only way in which Jeremy Corbyn get into Downing Street is if he rides | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
on the coat-tails of other political parties like the Liberal Democrats. | :16:34. | :16:42. | |
A high street betting shop predicts that the Labour Party, | :16:43. | :16:44. | |
unfortunately, will be winning 160 seats at the general election. They | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
cannot form a majority government. And we excluded that option anyway. | :16:50. | :16:58. | |
The option is not on the table. Vote for Theresa May on June the 8th. If | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
you vote for any other political party, you risk voting for Jeremy | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
Corbyn. Vote Conservative to get Theresa May. Very quickly, a quick | :17:07. | :17:14. | |
word? We have no intention of riding and anybody's coat-tails. When we | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
see the results from the big cities, ride, we will see what people think | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. We have been talking about the Ukip | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
collapse overnight, they have their white dead in quite a few the | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
councils were they did so well in 2013. -- wiped out. | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
This is Paul Nuttall's response. Laura, looking at those words, that | :17:36. | :18:04. | |
goes way beyond anything that Suzanne and Peter were talking about | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
earlier? They were talking about a rebrand, a bright future. | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
Essentially he has not just admitted defeat but essentially said that | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
defeat is worth it, Ukip has achieved what it set out to do all | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
those years ago. I think following that statement it will be very | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
difficult for Paul Nuttall to say what you give is for. He is | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
basically saying, job done. I get why people didn't vote for us. It is | :18:28. | :18:35. | |
a curious position. Four years ago in this studio Nigel Farage came in | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
and we couldn't get him out. He said their first several hours. It was | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
their big breakthrough. This is implying, and I hope I am not being | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
unfair to Paul Nuttall, the purpose has gone, has evaporated. That is | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
the imprecation. He does say in another part of the statement that | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
the party has a bright future. The wave that swept it in in 2013 has | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
swept back out again. What do you make of that? He is putting a brave | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
face on what is a Ukip defeat. What I am encouraged by is that we are | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
winning votes across the political spectrum and across the country. But | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
you are being massively helped by a Ukip collapse, that is clear. In | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
Essex and elsewhere. It is still early. There are lots of results yet | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
to come. We had a referendum. Theresa May has the right approach | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
to the Brexit negotiations. Voters are recognising that stable | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
leadership is what will deliver the right result in terms of Brexit and | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
beyond. I welcome that. But it is not just a Ukip collapse that is | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
helping the Conservatives. It is in Wales and Scotland, we are yet to | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
see what is happening, but another part of the country, we are waiting | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
across the board. -- winning. That is encouraging. Before we go to | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
Edinburgh, just to set the scene again, what is at stake in the | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
Scottish elections? Well, a lot. There are local elections across the | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
country but this is a testing ground, if you like, for whether or | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
not the SNP will fall back from their huge peak that they achieved | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
in the 2015 election, extremely good results in 2016. Can the Tories make | :20:24. | :20:30. | |
genuinely big inroads, not just in part of the country that they have | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
held before but right across the board in Scotland? That is what | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
Theresa May once, that is what Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Tory leader, | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
has been working on, and it seems from these early signs they may have | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
made huge strides. I am hearing rumours of tactical voting, people | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
going to the Lib Dems. I am hearing of straight switches from Labour to | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
the Tories. All sorts of stuff. A lot of action happening in Scotland. | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
It is a really, really important set of results, because it will dictate | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
some of what will happen on June the 8th. Let's see if with the evidence | :21:06. | :21:13. | |
in Edinburgh. We join our correspondent. What is the state of | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
play as you see it? The SNP think they are continuing to | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
do well, based on results from 2012. They think they have increased their | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
number from last times. But the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
happy. We have only had a couple of declarations. Many in egg -- | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
Edinburgh West. That is a big constituency for the Lib Dems. They | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
are very optimistic that would give them a good base on which to fight | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
the general election. You heard Laura talking about the | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
Conservatives been buoyant in Scotland. I think that is absolutely | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
the case. My phone has been ringing off the hook with Conservatives | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
around the country optimistic about what they are seeing. The result we | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
had a moment ago, the party won a seat from Labour. And across the | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
country, there are areas where typically the Conservatives have | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
been very poorly represented in the past. Many of them traditional | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
Labour heartlands. The party thinks today they are doing extremely well. | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
A talk about how patterns of voting change. People inevitably are | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
looking ahead a few weeks to the general election. What kind of | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
lessons are you learning? There is a certain signal coming from SNP | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
voters that they preferred the Greens as their back-up preference. | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
Single transferable vote here. They are voting firstly for the SNP | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
candidate, and afterwards, their next preferences the greens. Some | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
sources here think that yes, there are transfers of votes. But in areas | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
where certain parties, unionist parties, are preferred to others, | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
those votes are going elsewhere. Take Edinburgh West, where the Lib | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
Dems are the main opponent of the SNP, many unionists are not voting | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
for Labour or the Tories, thereby straight to the Lib Dems. The | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
Conservatives think that the Unionist vote in Glasgow West is | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
coalescing around them. We will look at the wards that comprise Edinburgh | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
South. That is the last remaining Edinburgh seat that Labour won in | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
2015. Ian Murray's seat. The SNP elected to put by big challenge. We | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
will look to see if the Labour Party are winning those Unionist votes in | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
Edinburgh South, or weather that has been chipped away and whether | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
potentially in a few weeks, we could see Labour pots last seat in | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
Scotland go to another party. Nick, thank you. We are going to go | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
from Edinburgh to Aberdeen. We are joined by the former first minister, | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
former leader of the SNP, Alex Salmond. Thank you for joining us. | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
Hull pleasure. What you make of things so far? Well, it's early in | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
the day in terms of a total pattern. But here in the north-east the SNP | :24:21. | :24:27. | |
are running very strongly. The SNP have high hopes of taking control of | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
the city. The Conservative vote is very strong and we will have to do | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
something about that in few weeks. To what extent would you agree with | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
the reports of a Conservative in parts of Scotland, and what do you | :24:42. | :24:49. | |
attribute that to? Well, the Conservative vote is on the rise but | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
at the end of today, probably Scotland would be the only place | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
where the Conservatives have been beaten. That is to say the objective | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
of an election campaign is to win more votes and more seats than any | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
the party, and we are confident the SNP will do exactly that across | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
Scotland. So when it comes to the general election, we want to | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
reinforce this trend. There is one thing desperately needed in this | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
country and that is a real opposition to Theresa May and the | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
Conservative Party. The SNP in Scotland intend to provide it. There | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
is a little problem on the sand. I will carry on and hope for the best. | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
That is a wee bit disconcerting! We are going to carry on. I am | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
wondering about Glasgow. Clearly it is a big battle between the SNP and | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
Labour. How do you read that battle and how important is it for the SNP? | :25:46. | :25:54. | |
One of the SNP's key targets, if you take Glasgow, the iconic city the | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
SNP are looking to take control of, that would be a major moment for the | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
Scots -- SNP. In the north-east of Scotland we are hoping to take | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
control of Aberdeen, the Northern Lights, which would also be a major | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
moment. These are two very important targets. But votes across the | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
country can. We will be looking to become the largest party in terms of | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
seeds and votes after all the votes are counted today. I think one very | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
interesting trend, when you see the disappearance of Ukip from English | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
politics and welts politics for that matter, is the extent to which the | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
Conservative Party have actually become Ukip. They have eliminated | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
Ukip by becoming Ukip. And the sort of extreme language that the Theresa | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
May used in Downing Street the other day, that could have come from Nigel | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
Farage. The Conservative party have managed to assimilate Ukip votes by | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
becoming Ukip. I think a lot of people will think twice before | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
endorsing this type of Conservative Party. | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
Alex Salmond, thank you very much. Alex Salmond, the former Scotland | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
First Minister for the SNP, saying some forthright things. Sam, you | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
want to come in on that. I will bring you in in a moment. I just | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
want to bring in Professor John Curtice. Just a thought on the | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
Scottish picture first before I bring in my panel. What did you make | :27:22. | :27:28. | |
of that? We need to decode what Alex Salmond said. He set himself the | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
rather low objective of being the largest party in Scotland in terms | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
of votes and seats. Actually the SMP micromanaged that in 2012 and what | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
was widely regarded as a disappointing performance. Given | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
that no opinion poll has put the SNP other than being the most popular | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
party in Scotland for a very long time, his objective seems rather | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
low. I thought in truth there was perhaps, and certainly it was an | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
acknowledgement, that the Conservatives are advancing | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
significantly. We have heard that from Aberdeen and Edinburgh. What | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
will perhaps worry the SNP more, and we saw this happened last year in | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
the Scottish Parliament election, that in individual areas voters | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
start to go to one Unionist party, maybe the Lib Dem is -- the Liberal | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
Democrats in Edinburgh West. That makes it more difficult for the SNP | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
to win this many seeds if the Unionist vote becomes more | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
congregated. It is early days. But as it were, I think we will now | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
begin to be surprised if there was a very substantial Conservative | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
advance north of the border, bearing in mind it 2012 they did not do very | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
well. We are still asking the key question, how well are the SMP going | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
to do? SNP gains are expected. It is the size of the gains that are | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
crucial to understanding how well they have done. | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
That will give us a flavour as to how much Nicola Sturgeon's very bold | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
moves to force a second Independence Referendum have played. Some inside | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
the SNP will think, hang on, Nicola Sturgeon made an audacious move by | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
demanding a second referendum, knowing that Theresa May would say | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
no. If that has translated into a search for the Scottish | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
Conservatives, that may be a worry for some inside the SNP. It was a | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
finely balanced decision. There were people on different sides, playing | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
different ways. It reminds us that the Constitution has been an issue. | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
The dominant political issue in Scotland is the constitution. | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
John, can we have a final word at this point from you? We dealt with | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
part of the picture in Scotland. Just a broad view of where we are | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
with the other party across England, Scotland and Wales? We started the | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
morning saying the Conservatives had done well. Getting further results | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
from England and a variety of other councils. That impression has been | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
reinforced. It looks as if Conservatives are doing that little | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
bit better than they were doing on average overnight. The broad pattern | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
we told you about at nine o'clock is still in force and maybe the | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
Conservatives just doing that and that better than before that. Thank | :30:12. | :30:12. | |
you. John will join us again later on. We | :30:13. | :30:21. | |
will have a good conversation about those points. There are several | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
things there to pick up on, not least from Alex Salmond's | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
contribution. At 11. 30am, we watch catch up with the latest news and | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
let's join Joanna. The Conservatives have made big | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
gains in the council elections in England and Wales, | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
recording their best Many of the votes cast | :30:41. | :30:42. | |
yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales are still to be | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
counted, but Labour have suffered losses and Ukip have failed | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
to win a single seat. The Conservatives have been | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
celebrating a series of victories The results so far show the Tories | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
taking control of five local councils and winning more council | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
seats than any other party. The Tories also celebrated victory | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
in the West of England, where the Conservative Tim Bowles | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
was elected to the newly created However, senior members | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
of the Conservative Party are downplaying the significance | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
of their victories saying many votes I think the early results are | :31:16. | :31:24. | |
encouraging, but they are early results. We've seen less than a | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
quarter of the vote actually counted and reported. The turnout in | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
locational elections is much, much lower than in a general election, so | :31:33. | :31:38. | |
you know, it's wrong to predict what's going to happen on June 8. We | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
still have a general election to campaign for and to win, after last | :31:43. | :31:44. | |
night. But encouraging signs. Elsewhere Labour have | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
lost three councils, Despite the losses in Wales, | :31:49. | :31:49. | |
Labour did hold Cardiff council. The party was also victorious | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
in Doncaster, where its candidate Ros Jones, the Labour mayor, | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
was re-elected, securing Labour's John McDonnell told people | :32:00. | :32:01. | |
to wait for results elsewhere to come in before judging | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
the party's performance. If you look at where we've really | :32:06. | :32:13. | |
campaigned hard, in terms of Wales, in particular, Jeremy Corbyn was | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
down in Cardiff. There's been a lot of work on the ground with our | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
membership out there knocking on doors. We've defied all the | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
predictions on the losses. Where we've lost in South Wales, what's | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
interesting, it hasn't been to the Tories actually in terms of what's | :32:28. | :32:40. | |
happened in Merthyr Tydfil, they've returned to independents. | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
The results have been disappointing for UKIP. | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
The party failed to win any of the seats it contested - | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
losing 46 previously held council seats. | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
UKIP says it still has sitting councillors in the country, | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
although those positions were not up for election this time. | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
The results have been mixed for the Liberal Democrats. | :32:58. | :33:05. | |
A short time ago, the party had lost 23 council seats. | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
The Lib Dems also failed to retake Somerset Council | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
from the Conservatives, although the Tory leader John Osman | :33:11. | :33:12. | |
was ousted by Lib Dem former MP Tessa Munt. | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
Despite the overall picture of the Conservatives performing | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
well, some electoral battles have been very close indeed. | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
The winner of a seat in Northumberland County Council | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
was decided by drawing straws, after two candidates received | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
Here is the moment that the Lib Dem candidate Lesley Rickerby selected | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
It meant that the Conservatives were denied overall | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
The final day of campaigning is under way in the French | :33:38. | :33:47. | |
presidential election before voting takes place on Sunday. | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
Polls show that the centrist, Emmanuel Macron, maintains a clear | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
lead over the far right candidate Marine Le Pen. | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
Hello and welcome to a busy Friday in Paris, but it's anything but | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
normal here in France, as we enter the final hours of the presidential | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
election campaign 2017. At midnight tonight, local time, the candidates | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
must fall silent, the campaigning must end, before a day of pause and | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
reflection on Saturday and then the final vote on Sunday. What an | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
extraordinary campaign it's been, so fractious, so bad tempered, cull | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
mainiating in the debate on Wednesday night when the two | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
candidates sat face to face for two-and-a-half hours and argued | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
bitterly. It hasn't done Marine Le Pen favours in the poll. Emmanuel | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
Macron is now on 62% edging up slightly against her 38%, following | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
that debate. Let's look through the papers quickly to see how they are | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
mulling over this moment in French politics. They are very much in the | :34:51. | :34:59. | |
Macron camp. Marine Le Pen this paper says has a strategy of lies. | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
They have put the 19 points she said in the debate calling them all | :35:05. | :35:11. | |
untrue. Le Figaro called the Le Pen campaign a shipwreck and say the | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
Macron is the arch favourite. Calling Marine Le Pen the big loser. | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
The financial paper talks about Macron, Le Pen, the battling of | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
extremism. Then very stark message on the front of the left-wing paper, | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
that is a picture of Marine Le Pen's father, the founder of the National | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
Front. It says she has not changed. Despite all her efforts to move away | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
from the past of the National Front, this paper says she is still her | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
father's daughter. It is a big lead for Emmanuel Macron in the polls. | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
Remember, up to 20% of French voters are still undecided. Abstention is a | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
big thing in French elections, many people could simply stay away or | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
spoil their ballots. There still is everything to play for. | :36:00. | :36:06. | |
The President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
has raised a few eyebrows for comments he made about English | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
During a conference in Italy on the state of the European Union, | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
Mr Juncker chose to speak in French, due to the presidential elections | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
I'm hesitating between English and French, but I make my choice. I will | :36:19. | :36:28. | |
express myself in French. Because... APPLAUSE | :36:29. | :36:40. | |
Slowly but surely English is losing importance in Europe... | :36:41. | :36:41. | |
LAUGHTER The head of the world's second | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
largest investment bank, Goldman Sachs, has warned that | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
Britain's financial centre - the City of London - | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
"will stall" when the country leaves Lloyd Blanfein told the BBC that the | :36:50. | :36:57. | |
future of the sector, which employs more than a million people and pays | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
about 12% of all Government tax revenue would depend on the terms of | :37:02. | :37:03. | |
Britain's exit from the EU. That's a summary of the news - | :37:04. | :37:11. | |
now back to Local Election Welcome back to our live coverage of | :37:12. | :37:25. | |
the local election results in England and Wales and Scotland. | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
Let's stay with Scotland, because we have our first Scottish local | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
authority result in. One of the smallest local authorities in | :37:33. | :37:38. | |
Scotland. This is Clackmannanshire. This is a hung council. The SNP | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
short by two seats of overall control. | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
The Conservatives on five, that will be seen as a gain for them. | :37:49. | :37:57. | |
That means tla we can look at the scoreboard for Scotland: | :37:58. | :38:08. | |
Er we've had ray result from Orkney as well. We're adding those in. The | :38:09. | :38:19. | |
independents on 20. Very early days, let me underline that again. | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
Orkney and Clackmannanshire are the first two. Laura, a quick word on | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
that. Clackmannanshire an area where the SNP are just short there. But a | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
Conservative, well, four seats I think, can we call that a surge, | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
certainly an increase. What we're seeing is Tory foot prints going | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
into place where's they didn't previously exist. That's the chatter | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
out of Scotland, potentially by the end of the day, an extraordinary set | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
of results for the Tory party that they will hope to translate into | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
Westminster increased representation, which has been so | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
tiny for such a long time. The question of the constitution is the | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
thing that has been on the table, this is a Unionist versus | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
independence battle, rather than anything to do with lockal issues in | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
most places. Let's' see how the Conservatives are doing else wr. We | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
go to Kent. A traditional strong hold and Ukip has in the past done | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
rather well. Peter, just bring us up to date there. | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
Here in Thanet, they're counting seven of the 81 Kent County Council | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
seats. This area is Margate, Ramsgate and broad stairs, the area | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
that Ukip thinks as a strong hold, they hold the local District Council | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
here. Nigel Farage stood in the general election here and came close | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
second. In the other national seat, also Ukip came second. As they're | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
counting away, they've said that the turnout is just below 32%, lower | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
than the national average. What is the important thing here, is the | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
Conservative it's are walking around with broad smiles on their faces. | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
Last time round, Ukip won six of the seats here. Labour won one and there | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
was an independent. It's gone down to seven seats. Now I'm told by the | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
Conservatives that it's completely changed. They say that the Ukip vote | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
has totally collapsed and it's almost like winding the clock back | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
and now it's just between them and Labour. Ukip have not appeared on | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
the ballot papers at all. People just haven't gone out and voted | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
Labour. Now the Conservatives are predicting that they could win up to | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
five of these seats and Labour could win two. So it's a complete change | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
of the political geography in this area which was seen as a Ukip strong | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
hold. Can we ask the question why and what | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
are Ukip telling you and what are others saying about what's happened | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
to that Ukip vote and what are the reasons people are giving for not | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
backing them this time? When I've been on the streets and you've been | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
asking people how are you going to vote in the general election, what | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
do you think will happen, will Nigel Farage stand in south Thanet again | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
and talking about local issues, people have just said Brexit is | :41:11. | :41:18. | |
Brexit, job done. That's what is coming from the count at the moment. | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
People think Brexit is done. Ukip has done their job. Also, the | :41:22. | :41:29. | |
council, the only council run by Ukip. There's one key issue over an | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
airport closure and whether this will be compulsory purchased by the | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
local council. The Council when they came in, Ukip said they would do | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
everything to keep this as an airport, that ended. There's a bit | :41:43. | :41:49. | |
of local opposition against the sitting District Council and that's | :41:50. | :41:51. | |
reflected in the County Council votes and how people are voting in | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
this area. A final thought, though, as I keep on saying, this is a bit | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
of a risky business, do you want to give us any thought about the | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
Parliamentary battles coming up in a few weeks' time in that part of | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
world? Well, I'd say on the Parliamentary basis, you've got one | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
seat, north Thanet, that is safe as houses, Conservative, always has | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
been. The MP has been there since 1983. He's carrying on. He's very | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
well known locally. The other seat is the one that Nigel Farage only | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
announced a couple of weeks ago that he wasn't going to stand against. I | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
saw Nigel Farage a few weeks ago and said, why aren't you going to stand? | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
He gave a wry smile. He was meeting the party faithful. I believed when | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
I looked him in the eyes, that he believed job done, I'm not going to | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
win here. There is the issue locally of the expenses claims and Ukip | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
always said that it wasn't a fair fight, wasn't a level playing field. | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
The Conservatives have said that it was a level playing field and the | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
file was passed to the criminal prosecution service. I think the | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
Conservatives from the results here and from what they're looking at by | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
sampling the votes as they're coming in, it looks like these two seats | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
will definitely be Conservative come the general election. | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
Peter, once again, thank you very much for bringing us up to date in | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
Thanet. Back to the studio. Let's talk to Dan and to Sam and Tom. Sam, | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
first of all, the picture there in Kent, what do you make of it? Again, | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
encouraging. Again, good to see that we are winning seats in places where | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
Ukip did very well last time round. We are doing quite well. I think the | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
overall picture as I've been saying throughout is that we are | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
competitive everywhere. The Conservative Party is the only party | :43:42. | :43:48. | |
that is competitive in England, in Scotland and Wales. Going back to | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
Alex Salmond's comments, what we saw was a denial, the SNP are in denial. | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
They are so tunnel visioned about the independence referendum that | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
they've taken their eye off the ball on governing. That's what Ruth | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
Davidson and Theresa May have focussed on in the elections there. | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
We've seen that that's being played out around the country. This is not | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
a Ukip collapse that is benefitting the Conservatives. If you take | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
Warwickshire, it's a Labour-Conservative battleground. | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
We've come out on top. Somerset, Gloucestershire, that was | :44:22. | :44:23. | |
Conservative, Liberal Democrats. In Wales, where Labour are saying it's | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
a mixed picture, we know that the First Minister, Carwyn Jones, h | :44:29. | :44:35. | |
shielded Jeremy Corbyn from what could have been more difficult | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
election results for them. Kent, you know, which is generally | :44:40. | :44:41. | |
Conservative heart land, the rest of England and Wales, shows that we are | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
competitive because we are speaking for all of Britain. Is that a fair | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
point that Carwyn Jones in Wales has been able to shield Labour from | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, that's the phrase used? He is the leader in Wales. And | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
people will know that. It's not about shielding anybody. Let me just | :44:58. | :45:06. | |
say this: We heard Paul Nuttal say that a big Tory advance is a price | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
worth paying. There will be Labour voters, including those who haven't | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
voted in the local elections, who will not think a big Tory advance is | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
a price worth paying. They will be frightened what will happen if | :45:21. | :45:23. | |
Theresa May wins or even if she gets a big irmajority. -- bigger | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
majority. That will focus minds. Ukip may think a big Tory advance is | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
a price worth paying. Millions of voters will not think that. When I | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
speak to people on the doorstep they are terrified of the prospect of a | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
Jeremy Corbyn Premiership. This is a man who is not supported by 75% of | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
his own MPs. Come on. Indeed. That's why he's not going to be the next | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
Prime Minister. What is clear certainly in England is that Ukip | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
has made a substantial contribution to helping the Conservatives win. I | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
think the Prime Minister has very deliberately pitched a hard Brexit | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
to attract those voters. I think it will quite cynical of her to have | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
launched her barrage against the European Union the day before the | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
council elections, which I think the purpose of that was to say to Ukip | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
voters - come to me, I will represent the hard Brexit views that | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
you represent or you believe in, which personally I think will do | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
huge damage to the British economy and British families and jobs. I | :46:22. | :46:24. | |
think that's a distraction by the way. This is a pivotal time in our | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
country's history. The time that we will face on June 8 is do you want | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn as your Prime Minister? Who do you trust to | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
deliver on Brexit? Who do you trust to lock in the economic progress? | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
It's not just about Brexit. The uncertainty and the risk that is | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
posed by a Jeremy Corbyn Premiership will hit jobs, will hit people's pay | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
packets and - Are you saying it's a distraction for voters to think | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
about anything other than the choice between Theresa May and Jeremy | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
Corbyn in a general election? This is a general election, it's about | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
every issue in people's lives. It's not just a choice between the | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
leaders at the top of the party. But ultimately, when I talk to people on | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
the doorstep, when most people think about this, they are concerned about | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
leadership, a lot flows from leadership. They Can You Hear Me? | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
Can are concerned about whether the leader can -- they are concerned | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
about whether they can deliver. I went to a school this morning and | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
had an interesting Q with the school council and two thirds of | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
those questions were about cuts. The ?3 billion worth of cuts proposed by | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
2020 and the impact on the number of teachers and class sizes. This is a | :47:41. | :47:42. | |
general election - Is that a distraction? So who do you want to | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
be Prime Minister? Is that a distraction, you used to be an | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
Education Minister. Is it a distraction for voters to worry | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
about schools or less money for head teachers? I wasn't commenting on | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
voters. I was speaking to the point. Our economy is impacted by Brexit | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
but I believe that strong and stable leadership from Theresa May... Does | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
Sam get a prize for every time he says strong and stable. It's | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
important. It's the most important thing in the election. It's | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
antidemocratic to say that the NHS and education is a distraction. | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
Demonising Jeremy Corbyn may yet rebound on you. I think triumphalism | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
will rebound on you. Thank you very much. Lots of strong views here. We | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
want to catch up on what's going on in Glasgow, because we have some | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
news there. Anita? We certainly do. Quite a | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
story for you here from Glasgow, because we've just had the first | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
three wards declared and we know because of those results that Labour | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
cannot have an overall majority here in Glasgow. So we know already at | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
this early stage that Labour has lost overall control of Glasgow | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
Council for the first time in 40 years. That really is quite a story | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
here developing. With me is our Scotland political correspondent | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
Glenn Campbell. That's a bit of a wow moment hearing that first | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
result. Yeah, there are 85 seats in Glasgow. Labour were fielding 43 | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
candidates. In other words, they needed all of those to be elected | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
here in Glasgow for them to retain overall control of the city | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
chambers. We know that they have lost in Shettleston and therefore | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
they can't get to the magic number. Whether they end up being part of a | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
power-sharing deal or not we have to wait and see the the SNP have been | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
targeting this city for years. They would hope to finish as the largest | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
party perhaps with overall control but one other factor here is there | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
are breakthroughs for the Conservative Party in Glasgow. Let's | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
look at that. Shettleston ward, one of the more deprived parts of | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
Glasgow, yet a Conservative has won a seat there. There was a huge cheer | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
when that was declared. One wouldn't have expected necessarily this to be | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
natural territory for the Conservatives, what's the | :50:12. | :50:14. | |
significance of that? Absolutely, that's a big breakthrough for the | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
Conservative Party getting a councillor elected in Shettleston. | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
There was a huge cheer, a celebration because the | :50:23. | :50:23. | |
Conservatives until now have only had one seat in the city as a whole. | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
Ruth Davidson, the Scottish party leader, has fought this campaign not | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
so much on local issues but on the big national picture and campaigning | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
against a second referendum on Scottish independence. So it may be | :50:38. | :50:43. | |
that has played an important factor in the Tories making that | :50:44. | :50:46. | |
breakthrough. We're hearing this have broken through this what I | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
believe is the most deprived ward in the whole of Scotland in Fergusly | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
Park in paisley, an astonishing result for them. It seems that in | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
certain parts of the country they're winning over support from Labour and | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
perhaps from elsewhere to make those gains. Glenn, thank you very much. | :51:02. | :51:10. | |
So, let's see if that early gain for the Conservatives transitions into | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
more gains across Glasgow Council and also, that big, developing story | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
here, Labour has lost some of the seats it held. We've heard that in | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
the first three declarations that. Means they cannot have an overall | :51:25. | :51:30. | |
majority at Glasgow Council. If we look back to 2012, in a quarter of | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
the councils in Scotland, the party that won the largest number of seats | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
didn't actually go on to form or be part of the administration. It is | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
still possible that Labour in some sort of coalition could be running | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
Glasgow Council, but the SNP, as we know, this is a big, symbolic target | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
for them. They are trying to get to the magic number of 43 seats and web | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
overall control -- win overall control here. Very interesting. | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
Thanks very much. What do we make of that? You heard Glenn's thought on | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
the kind of mix of, the peaks, if you like, which is causing surprise. | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
Sure, massive moment for Glasgow to go to the SNP in terms of council | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
control, remember, Glasgow is absolutely a yes city in the | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
independence referendum. Now the test for the SNP is whether or not | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
they can take an overall majority. And what has been a phenomenal SNP | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
campaigning machine has been targeting to try to do that. It will | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
be a disappointment for them if they don't actually manage to take | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
control of the Council. I'm hearing whispers that might not happen. Yet | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
again, you hear evidence that the Tories creeping back and frankly, | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
until very recently, no bookie in the crown triwould have even given | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
you a bet that the Tories would have been able to take Council wards in | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
places like Shettleston. That is an astonishing change, absolutely | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
astonishing. Thanks very much for now. We were reporting earlier about | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
Conservative performance in Scotland, but also in Wales. They | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
now control Monmouthshire Council. They made gains there. We will speak | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
to the leader of the Welsh Conservatives, at City Hall in | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
Cardiff. How would you describe your performance overnight? We've worked | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
tirelessly over the last 365 days leading up to this campaign. | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
Ultimately our local champions have come through and won in all areas we | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
needed to win, Wrexham, overall control in Monmouthshire. Very good | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
result in the Vale of Glamorgan and doubled numbers in Bridgend, double | :53:36. | :53:38. | |
digits there, the home constituency of the First Minister. We take | :53:39. | :53:41. | |
nothing for granted. We know there's a lot of hard work to be done. It is | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
pleasing to see local communicates being rewarded for all their hard | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
work. Labour still in overall control of Cardiff, Swansea and | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
Newport. You can't be that chuffed with that. Well, we've doubled our | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
representation here in Cardiff. As I've said, I've given you a list of | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
where we have moved forward. We have moved forward across all parties | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
really. I've come from the Vale of Glamorgan, where we have taken a | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
seat there, which was four Plaid Cymru Councillors, they've held it | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
for 30 years. Now Conservative Councillors there. We have taken off | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
Labour and off the remember domes. We're taking -- Lib Dems. We are | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
taking seats from all parties. People recognise the hard work that | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
local champions have been undertaking over the last 365 days, | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
not just when it leads up to election time. It's local issues, | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
yes? Not about national issues at all despite the fact that this is | :54:39. | :54:41. | |
taking place during a general election campaign? Well, what has | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
interested me is the amount of people who have disassociated the | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
general election from the local election. I was out knocking on | :54:51. | :54:58. | |
doors up until 10pm last night, it was such as about the bypass, it was | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
an incinerator in Barry and provision of education in some | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
areas. There were local issues playing right the way through this | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
campaign, but I don't doubt obviously the general election has | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
had an impact as well. But we know full well that our local champions | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
have been out because we take nothing for granted here in Wales. | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
Every day of the week, leading up to this campaign and before, promoting | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
what they stand for, promoting the beliefs of the Welsh Conservative | :55:25. | :55:26. | |
Party and they've been rewarded in the ballot box. Now the hard work of | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
delivering in county halls. We move into the general election and we | :55:31. | :55:32. | |
continue those conversations in all parts of Wales to make sure that we | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
succeed at general election in delivering MPs to support Theresa | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
May, because it's vital that the choice before the British people is | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
over Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn. Final point, are you going to | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
acknowledge that the collapse in Ukip's vote has at least helped you | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
quite a big deal in some areas? Well, as I said, we take nothing for | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
granted here in Wales. We work tirelessly in all parts of Wales to | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
try and secure people's confidence. That has been rewarded in parts of | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
Wales. We still have nine councils counting here. The full picture | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
hasn't emerged yet. I heard what you said about Glasgow and the | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
Conservatives moving forward there. There's a ward in Barry Caddock | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
where we haven't had representation ever before. That was the leader of | :56:18. | :56:20. | |
the council's ward and we have taken a seat there. The leader got back in | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
with just 14 votes. We're succeeding in taking votes from Labour, Plaid | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
Cymru, the liberals across the board. We know what hard work Hier | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
in Wales and -- work is here in Wales. We're prepared to work | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
tirelessly to deliver a majority for Theresa May. The consequences if we | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
don't, is a coalition of chaos under Jeremy Corbyn, the Nationalists and | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
the liberals. Andrew, thank you very much for joining us. | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
I'm sorry the picture was slightly breaking up towards the end. We | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
heard every word there. We heard coalition of chaos again Tom. We | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
did, even though it's clearly not going to happen and Tim Farron my | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
party leader has ruled it out. Clearly the results from Wales for | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
the Lib Dems are not particularly good. We think for instance that | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
Cardiff, the city, is something that's hay real Ross -- that's a | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
real prospect at the general election. We lost our Council leader | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
in Cardiff. We gained a seed from Plaid Cymru. The -- seat from Plaid | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
Cymru. The picture is mixed. I hope we will speak about the south-west | :57:24. | :57:26. | |
of England, where the Lib Dems have done well, taking a seat from the | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
Council leader in Dorset and Somerset. We will be talking to | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
Martin Oats shortly. We have been talking earlier on about Somerset | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
and Gloucestershire too and the west of England. We will come back to | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
that. Laura, we will see you in a short while. We're back here in the | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
studio in a moment. I think the best thing now is to look at weather. | :57:45. | :57:50. | |
It's Phil. Thanks very much. Always a safe bet. Let's continue that | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
theme about the west that you picked up on there. I will trants port you | :57:55. | :58:01. | |
towards the Paignton area. Quite a bit of cloud there. The exception to | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
the rule. Here, brighter than it has been of late in parts of the | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
south-east. And as you work your way further north, I'm sure you're | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
getting used to it Scotland, Northern Ireland, north of England, | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
parts of Wales too, it has been a glorious week for many. Slightly | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
marred by the flow around that area of high pressure which has brought | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
so much of this settled weather because the winds are coming in off | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
a chilly North Sea. At the moment, no better than ten degrees or so, as | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
my son found out on Sunday at broad stairs. If we come to the north of | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
Scotland, mid-afternoon, there is low cloud just flirting with some of | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
these Eastern shores. It's the onshore breeze that pegs you back. | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
In the west, as high as 20, 18 or 19 today. Similar across Northern | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
Ireland. A lot of dry weather. You've seen the satellite picture. | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
Glorious conditions for much of Walesant north of England. Further | :58:57. | :58:59. | |
south, yes, there is more cloud here than anywhere else across the | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
British Isles. But it is pink waited with more holes -- punctuated with | :59:04. | :59:10. | |
more holes. Some of those holes are in the south-western quarter, Devon, | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
Cornwall, the Isles of Scilly and Channel Islands. You will find | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
eventually some rain for some. Further north in Scotland, away from | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
the influence of that front, the skies stay clear. There will be a | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
frost. As there has been the past couple of mornings. That band of | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
weather, if you're wanting rain, only really is a concern down across | :59:29. | :59:33. | |
the far south-west and into the Channel Islands, through the course | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
of the day on Saturday. More cloud than of late perhaps across the | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
greater part of England and Wales and it may just have enough about it | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
across the heart of Wales, the Midlands and Lincolnshire, on the | :59:45. | :59:46. | |
first part of Saturday to give a spot of rain. We still have that | :59:47. | :59:51. | |
temperatures differential from east to west. From Saturday into Sunday, | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
the one noticeable change is that we're bending the isobars into a | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
slightly different direction. No warmer really for the most part, | :00:01. | :00:05. | |
because there's still that hint of north and North Westerly about it. | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
Cloud and cool over on the Eastern shores. In the west, the best of the | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
sunshine and things bucking up nicely I would have thought across | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
the south-east into the start of next week, we'll still see a lot of | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
dry weather. Welcome to viewers on BBC Two | :00:19. | :00:31. | |
and the BBC News Channel, for our special live | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
coverage of the local elections in England, | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
Wales and Scotland. Quite a few important threads to | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
discuss. Thousands of councillors | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
being elected overnight and today, responsible for delivering your | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
essential public services, and all of this happening, unusually, | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
during a general election campaign. We are talking about lots of things. | :00:55. | :01:09. | |
We are talking about local authorities delivering very | :01:10. | :01:10. | |
important local services. We'll have results as they're | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
declared, and we'll be getting reaction from the parties | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
to what's going on. It's been a very good night | :01:17. | :01:24. | |
for the Conservatives They've taken control | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
of the councils in Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire, Warwickshire, | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
the Isle of Wight and Monmouthshire. They've also won the West | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
of England mayoral contest. And it looks at this early stage | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
that they're heading for their best set of local elections | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
for a decade or more. Its been a disappointing | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
night for Labour. And in Wales they've | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
lost overall control of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil, | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
two councils in their But they have held on to their key | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
Welsh strongholds of Cardiff, They've also won the mayoral | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
contest in Doncaster. And it has been a terrible | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
night for Ukip. Overnight they lost every | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
seat they were defending. And the party has been wiped out | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
on councils like Lincolnshire, Their vote share is down | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
dramatically, most of it Counting still under way in Glasgow. | :02:20. | :02:36. | |
We now know from results already in that Labour have lost their overall | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
control of Glasgow. That is a very big development. Lots of results | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
still to come in. We're basing that on the so far. | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
Coming up, we'll be live in Birmingham to look | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
It's expected to be a close contest between | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
Here we are back in the studio. I have been joined by Peter Kellner, | :02:57. | :03:20. | |
the distinguished analyst. Peter will be talking about some of these | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
trends. Laura will be back. And Dianne, Sam and Tom are still here. | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
We will be talking a bit more about those things. The most important | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
thing at this point is to look at the figures. We need to get right | :03:37. | :03:46. | |
up-to-date with where we are. The Conservatives have made 199 gains in | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
terms of council seats. Labour 142 losses. The Lib Dems 23 losses. | :03:51. | :04:02. | |
Plaid Cymru on 19 games. The SNP on a single game. Lots of Scottish | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
results to come. Ukip, that is a pretty dramatic tally. No seats to | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
their name so far. 59 losses. When we said it has been a brutal night | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
and day for Ukip, it has been. Seven games for the Green Party. Those are | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
the results. We will have a little chat in a moment about what it | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
means. But first, Joanna has the latest news. | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
The Conservatives have made big gains in the local | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
elections in England and Wales, recording their best | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
Ukip have so far failed to win a single seat they were defending. | :04:37. | :04:45. | |
Labour have suffered losses. They have lost overall control of Glasgow | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
for the first time in more than 35 years, although the counting in the | :04:54. | :04:54. | |
city is continuing. It is the Conservatives with the | :04:55. | :05:08. | |
biggest cheers. The party has won control of Warwickshire, | :05:09. | :05:09. | |
Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire and the Isle of Wight. | :05:10. | :05:10. | |
Charles Bowles is duly elected as the West of England Mayor. | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
In the West of England the Conservative candidate made history | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
by becoming the regional mayor. In Cumbria the Tories have replaced | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
labour as the largest party. Senior Conservatives are playing down | :05:31. | :05:31. | |
expectations ahead of the general election. | :05:32. | :05:32. | |
The turnout in local elections, of course, | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
is much, much lower than a general election. | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
It is wrong to predict what will happen on June the | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
8th. We have a general election | :05:42. | :05:42. | |
to campaign for and to win after last night, but encouraging signs. | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
The Tories are celebrating in Essex, too. Voters turned their back on | :05:50. | :05:59. | |
Ukip. In Lincolnshire, where the Ukip leader will fight for a | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
Westminster seat next month, the party was wiped out. With no wins so | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
far, the Ukip future is in question. The amount of times | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
I have heard that Ukip is finished - if I had | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
a pound for everyone, I would probably quite a rich woman. | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
It is not over until it is over. And despite these pretty | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
poor election results There was some positive news for a | :06:19. | :06:31. | |
Labour. In Doncaster, they held onto the elected mayor's job. But the | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
party as last scores of seeds in swing areas. | :06:37. | :06:37. | |
These counties are the Tories' strongholds. | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
It was going to be a tough night for Labour, and we're in | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
the middle of the general election campaign. | :06:43. | :06:43. | |
Mixed motives, people voting largely on local issues, not national ones. | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
But what is coming across is that where people | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
predicted we would be wiped out, in places like Wales, | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
The Lib Dems are made so far it has been a mixed set of results for | :06:52. | :07:01. | |
them. An enormous shift | :07:02. | :07:02. | |
of Ukip voters to the Given that that happened, | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
we have done well to stay The Green Party says with the | :07:08. | :07:19. | |
Conservatives dominating, other parties need to collaborate. | :07:20. | :07:20. | |
There is a strong message that people want the parties to be | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
working together rather than against one another. | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
Under this kind of system it is clear when we stand | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
against one another, we lose ground and the Conservatives gain. | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
Local election results do not translate directly to a general | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
election. But they are a significant barometer. The outcome will | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
influence the tactics of the main parties in the next few weeks. For | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
some, the results have been too close to call. The Tories were | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
denied an overall majority in Northumberland after the Lib Dem | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
candidate literally drew the longest straw. For now though, it is back to | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
the counting. There is plenty of that to be done. | :08:03. | :08:11. | |
The President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, | :08:12. | :08:12. | |
has said the English language is losing its importance. | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
During a conference in Italy on the state of the European Union, | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
Mr Juncker chose to speak in French, due to the presidential elections | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
I'm agitated between English and French. But I made my choice. I will | :08:21. | :08:29. | |
express myself in French. APPLAUSE. | :08:30. | :08:39. | |
Because slowly but surely English is losing importance in Europe. | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
The final day of campaigning has begun in the French presidential | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
Voters will choose between Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen. | :08:47. | :08:57. | |
Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed a lawsuit over online rumours | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
that he had a secret bank account in the Caribbean. | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
He has strongly denied the allegations. | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
That is a summary of the news. Now back to you Edwards. | :09:07. | :09:22. | |
Welcome back. Lots to talk about. We have taken stock. I have shown you | :09:23. | :09:30. | |
some of the figures. The Conservatives have made quite solid | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
gains. Labour had a disappointing performance. Peter Kellner is here. | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
Some headline thoughts. What are your thoughts at this stage? Clearly | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
very good for the Conservatives. They have beaten all the predictions | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
that were made ahead of yesterday as to how they would do. Certainly in | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
England. To some degree in Wales. Probably Scotland but it is early | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
days. Disappointing for a Labour. Both against where they should be at | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
this stage and against the expectations, which were very low | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
before yesterday. I think also the Liberal Democrats and the SNP will | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
be disappointed. Ukip, it's a catastrophe. One of the big picture | :10:12. | :10:20. | |
points, each time we have local elections, there are bits of Britain | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
that didn't vote yesterday, London didn't vote, the big metropolitan | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
cities did not vote on the whole, and that is where the Remain vote | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
which lost the referendum is strongest. There is a big gap in our | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
understanding as to whether Labour or the Liberal Democrats might be | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
appearing to underperform because most of the English votes have been | :10:42. | :10:49. | |
cast in Leave England. You extending that note of caution to most people | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
who want to read into what will happen in four Weeks? I wouldn't | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
read specific numbers into what will happen. But two general elections in | :11:00. | :11:08. | |
the 1980s, which came in 1983 and in 1987. In 1983, the Tory lead in the | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
local elections was three percentage points. The opinion polls gave them | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
a lead of 10%. They won the general election by 15. Similar in 1987. | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
Local elections showed a modest Tory lead, they won big. Past performance | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
does not guarantee what happens in the future. In as far as we have | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
something like an equivalent pattern going into a June election with the | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
Conservatives ahead in the polls, look at what happened in the locals | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
then, in the campaigns then. It does not look good for a Labour. | :11:48. | :11:55. | |
A quick note. I'm going to go to west Sussex, areas where the Lib | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
Dems have held seats in the past. A note on the Lib Dems? Their | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
performances party. They were hoping they would make net gains. They are | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
making gains in some places, losses in others. Tom may have better award | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
by Ward data. It is not clear to me that tactical voting is happening on | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
the left of politics very much. On the right what we can say is that | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
where the Ukip vote was biggest, four years ago, that is where the | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
Conservatives have gained this time. Look at Essex, look at Lincolnshire. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
If there is going to be tactical voting, it might be more efficient | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
on the right of politics than on the left. Let's get some evidence. Let's | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
go to West Sussex. Wording. Peter Henley is there. Where are you so | :12:50. | :12:58. | |
far? -- Worthing. Across the south of England, the Conservatives doing | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
well. Ukip wiped out in Hampshire. Last ten seats. A lot of nervous | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
faces here. West Sussex, Ukip is the official opposition to the | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
Conservatives. In general, the shire counties are Conservative dominated. | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
Some government MPs were saying they felt their harshest critics were on | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
the Schar county councils over school funding and social care. -- | :13:23. | :13:32. | |
shire. There are worried faces in Ukip. They should be able to hold | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
one seed. It may be the only Ukip seed they hold. They have got 54% of | :13:38. | :13:45. | |
the vote. -- they got 54% of the vote in 2013. Fingers crossed they | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
can at least hold onto something. It thought about the Lib Dem | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
performance on the south coast? What would you say? They picked up one in | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
Hampshire. You mentioned Eastleigh. It is a stronghold, Eastleigh. They | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
still have the district council. I think that as buoyed them by little | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
bit for the general election. In the by-election they held onto it. They | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
lost it in the general. The Lib Dems are hoping they make come back in | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
Eastleigh. They seem to be able to pick off individual areas. They | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
picked off in Dorset the leader of the Council, the Conservative | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
leader. The same thing happened in Somerset. Looking at the Hampshire | :14:28. | :14:37. | |
figures, ten gains for the Tories. A single gain for the Lib Dems. Ukip | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
taking that hit, losing eight seeds. Whatever the reason people are | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
giving for not voting Ukip this time when they voted in such big numbers | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
in 2013? They say, what is the point? Brexit is happening. Even in | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
areas where there were strong Leave votes. Ukip have not made the impact | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
in local government we might have expected. Interesting quote from | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
Aaron Banks, who has just said that the current leadership has crashed | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
the car at the first bend of the race. Ukip on the current leadership | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
without positive radical politics it is finished as an electoral force. | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
Is that a theme, given what you have just said, that will chime with | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
people? Yes, absolutely. They don't seem unhappy about it. Talking to | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
the Ukip people, they say they have done their job. And in local | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
government I think they did feel lost. How can they campaign on | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
something like school funding? How can they offer a protest vote? I | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
will be watching the Green Party closely as well. They have high | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
hopes on the Isle of Wight, where the Conservatives took back the | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
council and independents went down. Also in Dorset they picked up a seat | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
there. I think the Greens feel they may be able to get some of those | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
protest votes, particularly from Remainers. Straight to Cornwall. | :16:06. | :16:16. | |
Martyn Oates is there. Can you give me your thoughts on what is going | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
on? Broad thoughts. The broad picture in the south-west, as ever, | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
really, is the great conflict between the Conservatives and the | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
Lib Dems. Here in Cornwall, the Lib Dems fancy their chances of taking | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
overall control. I suspect they may be sobered by that result in | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
Somerset, where they took the scalp of the Tory leader of the council | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
but saw the Tories reinforce their hold on the council. More | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
specifically about the Conservative performance and where you think it | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
has done well and where they have been vulnerable? ? Well, the Lib | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
Dems were optimistic in Somerset. Clearly that has been disproven by | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
the results. A very interesting result just in from Devon. The | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
former Liberal Democrat MP lost his seat in 2010 and went on to become a | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
county council. He has just lost his council seat to the Tories. We are | :17:18. | :17:24. | |
just looking at the Somerset figures. Six gains for the Tories, | :17:25. | :17:40. | |
six losses for the Lib Dems. In your experience, has the Ukip vote fed to | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
the Conservatives? It looks as if that is happening. It is also | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
interesting to look at the Ukip presents in council zones in the | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
south-west anyway. In Cornwall at the last election they won six | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
seats, which was quite a dramatic breakthrough, through resignations | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
and by-elections that dwindled to just one in this election. That | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
single Ukip councillor is standing again. But they are really not | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
defending very much. Yes, the mood of the vote, the shift of the vote | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
across the region, seems to be very much from Ukip to the Conservatives. | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
A final fraud on the parliamentary battles ahead, with usual caution | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
about translating these local results, because there are so many | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
local issues. What is your sense of it? I have no doubt of the Lib Dems | :18:31. | :18:39. | |
nationally would be looking at these elections as a pointer as to whether | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
they might be able to make big gains or Anni gains at the general | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
election. The Cornwall result may be one to watch. If they do gain | :18:51. | :19:00. | |
overall control in Cornwall, they are the biggest group already. In | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
Ukip terms, a lot of talk here, not finalised, but you not standing | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
candidates against Cornish MPs, three of them at least, who were | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
seen to be staunch Brexiteers. In terms of vote shift already, that is | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
potentially ominous for the Lib Dem challenges. | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
Martin, thank you. Tom, you wanted to talk about the | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
south-west. We are now talking about it. What about the Lib Dem | :19:31. | :19:40. | |
performance? I accepted his party. However, in these seats we want to | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
regain the general election, there are good signs. Dorset going | :19:44. | :19:51. | |
slightly closer to England, Eastleigh, places like Cheltenham. | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
Where the Liberal Democrats have worked hard, we are actually | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
managing to improve, even if that is not filtering through to additional | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
council seats. If you look at Somerset, although we lost seats, | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
the percentage vote for the Lib Dems went up 5%. There is some hope | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
there. It is something to build on. In many of the seats that we lost, | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
the margins were not necessarily that big. A shift potentially opens | :20:18. | :20:24. | |
up some of those seats for the Liberal Democrats. Is that kind of | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
increment going to give you more confidence going into the general | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
election? Well, yes. I think it will. Places like Eastleigh where we | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
took seats, including from Ukip, three seats. That puts us in a | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
strong position. In Cheltenham we took Mac -- took seven out of ten | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
seats. Whether it is those towns, the south-west, there is potential. | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
The strong message we are trying to put across is that if people want an | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
opposition, they should support the Liberal Democrats. It is very clear | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
that Labour have not provided that opposition. And we want to be strong | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
enough to have the large enough numbers in parliament to do that in | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
what does look increasingly likely to be a Conservative government, | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
either with a majority or potentially a very large majority. | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
And I hope some people will think twice about that. Ukip voters who | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
have switched to the Tories may think it is job done. Brexit is | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
under way. Conservative voters may want to start thinking about what it | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
means for things like the funding of the NHS, the funding of schools. | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
Will those issues be better addressed by conservatives, would | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
they like opposition MPs to argue the case for better investment? I | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
haven't met many Ukip voters thinking about voting Lib Dems. That | :21:46. | :21:53. | |
is what you are implying. Surely they are not coming from a | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
background, whether natural port is going to be the Lib Dems? It has | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
always been the case that the majority of Ukip voters, the | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
Conservative Party is there a natural alternative. It is also true | :22:06. | :22:14. | |
there is not a 100% chance that Mac transfer you -- of Ukip voters to | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
the Conservatives. I think the Lib Dems, with the | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
greatest respect, are whistling in the wind. They have bet the house on | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
this right or wrong position on the EU. It will not, go off. The Labour | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
Party represent the most anti-Brexit constituencies and the sixth six | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
most pro. We have tried to provide a national approach. One thing on | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
Ukip. The swift Ukip collapse is quite extraordinary. I don't think | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
we have seen anything like this in modern times. Even the SNP held on | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
for longer. The general election is a completely different ball game. We | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
have to make the case that a vote for Theresa May is a vote in the | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
national interest. The question for Dianne is, you have been an MP for | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
30 years, I think, this year. Very experienced, long-standing and | :23:11. | :23:12. | |
respected member of Parliament. Surely it must be depressing seeing | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
the leadership that Jeremy Corbyn is offering to the Labour Party at the | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
moment? Sam, I don't find Jeremy Corbyn's leadership depressing at | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
all. It is precisely because I have been an MP for a long time, I know | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
we live in a very interesting times where the past is not a predictor of | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
the future. Tories have always gone on for a big opinion poll leads to | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
have a win in a general election. The past is not a predictor of the | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
future. There is everything to play for. | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
We have the final result in from Cardiff, which Dianne will like. | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
Labour holding onto Cardiff. 40 seats on Cardiff City Council. Can | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
we have a look at the figures? The Conservatives on 20 having put up a | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
strong performance. The Lib Dems on 11. Lied, Rihanna three. Just look | :24:02. | :24:12. | |
at the difference. -- Plaid Cymru. The Tories have gained 13 seats in | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
Cardiff. A strong performance. But Labour still in charge. The Lib Dems | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
down five because there are strong pockets of Lib Dems supported areas | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
in Cardiff. Plaid Cymru up one. That will be a disappointment. They were | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
hoping for a bigger performance. That is the picture in Cardiff. The | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
results Justin because that is the final Cardiff result. We were | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
waiting for the last couple of Wards. What is going on in Scotland? | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
Straight to Glasgow thoroughly latest on what is developing. Anita | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
McVeigh will bring us up-to-date. Some more declarations made. Wins in | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
a number of awards for the SNP, the Scottish Conservatives, the Greens | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
and Labour as well. It was those declarations are little earlier that | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
were perhaps the most significant so far. With those first three | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
declarations we realised that Scottish Labour would not be able to | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
have an overall majority here in Glasgow. And also there was an | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
interesting win for the Conservatives in the ward of | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
Shettleston, not an area where traditionally you might expect the | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
Conservatives to make those gains. With me I have an E Wells, MSP from | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
the Scottish Conservatives, and Katy Gordon from the Lib Dems. Firstly, | :25:37. | :25:44. | |
to the gain at Shettleston. Was that something going into the contest you | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
thought the Conservatives could win? I think Shettleston is probably one | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
of the ones we thought we had a good chance in. We had campaigned there | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
during the 2016 election and we could see the Labour vote was coming | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
to us. We knew that independence was playing a part. Independence was | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
playing a part. We found that people wanted the SNP. Even the local | :26:12. | :26:20. | |
council issues, the local council issues are festering away. | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
Independence was one of the key message is that we are the strong | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
independent -- opposition to stand against the SNP. Katy Gordon, as it | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
been hard to make your voice heard, to get your message across, in | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
between the class of Labour and the SNP? What I'm really excited about | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
is the areas where we are campaigning really hard and | :26:44. | :26:45. | |
challenging for Westminster, that is where we are making the gains. We | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
are tying to get local issues across despite national noise. Here in | :26:52. | :27:02. | |
Glasgow? Glasgow, to be fair, it's difficult when there are two major | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
competing parties and trying to get your voice heard is quite difficult. | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
I go back to the fact that in the areas where we are hoping to win at | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
Westminster, that is where we are doing well. Has it been a tactic for | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
the Scottish Conservatives to wrap up the discussion on local issues in | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
this pro union message that you have been talking about? We made it very | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
clear we will call for growth as well. Each candidate has done local | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
issues and had serviced on. However, we know Independence is huge. The | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
First Minister only announced a few weeks of back. It is a big thing in | :27:40. | :27:48. | |
Glasgow. Thank you both very much. As the day progresses, lots more | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
wards still to be declared. Big things that we will be looking out | :27:53. | :27:59. | |
for, will the SNP gained 43 seats? That magic number would mean they | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
have overall control and overall majority of Glasgow Council, hosting | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
Labour control after 40 years. That would be very significant. And we | :28:11. | :28:12. | |
wait to see how well the Conservatives do, can they make the | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
sort of games here in Glasgow and across Scotland that the opinion | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
polls have been suggesting they might do? Back to the studio. | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
Making the point about a big battle for a Labour. One of the biggest | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
battles for Labour is can they hang on to Derbyshire? This has been a | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
stronghold. They have in hanging on there with a pretty big majority. | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
More than 20 last time. This is a halfway house, if you like. These | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
figures I am showing you know. Look at that. So far, the Tories on 20, | :28:45. | :28:55. | |
Labour on 15. We are looking at 35 out of 64 wards declared. It is | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
basically halfway. But clearly, that is so far is strong Conservative | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
performance. If you look at the change, that will tell you they have | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
put on nine seats in Derbyshire so far. Labour down by nine seats. We | :29:09. | :29:16. | |
are expecting another 30 results from those wards. We're nowhere near | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
the final result. But it is obviously a strong Conservative | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
performance so far. Let's talk to my colleague in Matlock in Derbyshire. | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
Bring us up-to-date with how you see things? | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
It is worse for a Labour then you just said. Look behind me, 27 | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
Conservative seats to 17 Labour. We are now in a position where Labour | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
has lost 11 seats to the Conservatives. They have lost one to | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
the Lib Dems. The majority has gone. This is a council which the | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
Conservatives, to be fair, and I spoke to the party chairman when he | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
was canvassing, didn't really secretly, privately, expect to take. | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
But it seems they have. And it seems this is because the Ukip vote has | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
pretty much been halved. Wherever Ukip was strong in 2013, half of | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
their vote has gone to the Conservatives and they are winning a | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
Labour heartlands. We are just looking at these vote | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
share changes. We just saw that the Ukip losing 15%. That translating, | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
as we saw just now coming to a boost for the Tories by 16%. The swings | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
and roundabouts have moved very clearly. What are people saying | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
about the reasons for the Ukip collapse? How do you read the | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
picture? And very importantly, what are they saying about the Labour | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
campaign and why Labour has been squeezed? | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
S Two things have made Labour voters not turn out for Labour. Those are | :30:51. | :30:58. | |
the EU referendum and the party leader Jeremy Corbyn. You go out on | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
the streets and people do not like Jeremy Corbyn as leader. They really | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
just do not want to go and vote for Labour under those circumstances. | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
Also, the EU issue very important here. I think that's shown by the | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
fact that maybe those Ukip voters are now thinking they're going to | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
vote Conservative because that's the way to get the Brexit deal that they | :31:20. | :31:24. | |
want. Stay with us, Tony. I will show the figures for | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
Nottinghamshire. So far, this again is roughly halfway. In the a final | :31:29. | :31:38. | |
result. 25 to the Tories, eight to Labour, four independents. I'm | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
stressing this is half a result. Four up for the Tories, five down | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
for Labour. A comment on that and what that tells us? That tells us | :31:48. | :31:54. | |
that Labour ran Nottinghamshire County Council and probably won't be | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
running it tomorrow. That was a county where there was no overall | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
control, but Labour ran it as the majority party. That's simply not | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
going to be the case tomorrow. It looks like if halfway through, any | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
way, it looks like Labour will lose Nottinghamshire. Labour, remember, | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
was the Council where both the Conservatives and Labour launched | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
their local election campaign. It seems the Conservatives have been | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
successful. Thanks very much. I must go to Dianne first of all. Not just | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
Nottinghamshire, on the Derbyshire result, if that goes in that | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
direction, you know, that's a massive set back isn't it? If the | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
result is what these results appear to indicate, they will be | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
disappointing results. As far as the general election is concerned, we're | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
not even at the halftime. We will see what happens when the whittle | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
blown for full-time. That very forth right message there about Jeremy | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
Corbyn I mean, Tony saying that was his experience on the streets | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
following candidates as they were canvassing. Again, it's not easy for | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
you to swerve that Dianne, isn't it really? It is an issue for lots of | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
voters It's an issue for some voters, though not voters I'm | :33:14. | :33:15. | |
talking to. This is not a presidential election. I think that | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
the electorate may sicken of the notion the Tories are trying to | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
peddle that this is a presidential election, we vote for president | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
Theresa May. I believe Tory triumphalism may be their undoing. I | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
completely get the presidential point you're making. Of course I do. | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
But ultimately, if your potential supporters or your previous | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
supporters are saying to you, look, the leader is an issue for us. | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
Regardless of any notions of a presidential campaign, the leader is | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
an issue for us, that's something that you have to tackle. Yes, we | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
have to tackle it. Jeremy is going all around the country. He's meeting | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
and speaking and engaging with people. What we find is when people | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
really engage with our leader, much of the stuff that the Tories are | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
peddling falls away. You're right, we don't have a presidential system. | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
But in general election is more presidential than local election. | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
People could Vote Labour yesterday confident there's no way their vote | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister. Come a general election, | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
mightn't you lose some of the votes you had yesterday because of the | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
Jeremy Corbyn factor? Again, go back to the 80s, go back to the 70s, | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
places where Labour would do very well in local elections, very badly | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
nationally, places like Norwich for example, in '83, where they love the | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
Labour Council, voted Labour in the Council elections. A month later, | :34:48. | :34:58. | |
voted Tory because they didn't want Michael foot to be prm. Isn't there | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
a danger that these figures, disappointing though they are, | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
overstate Labour support? I understand what you're saying, as | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
you know better than I, this is a relatively low turnout type of | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
election, on' general, we have a higher turnout. I believe that | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
Labour voters will be repelled by Tory triumphalism and the notion of | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
giving Theresa May some kind of plank cheque. -- blank cheque. The | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
idea of the Conservatives peddling views about Jeremy Corbyn. What | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
we've been hearing time and again today are the views of voters about | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
Jeremy Corbyn not the Conservatives' views about Jeremy Corbyn and that | :35:37. | :35:43. | |
his leadership is weak and floun dearing. That's for the Labour | :35:44. | :35:44. | |
Party. The choice will be between a weak and floundering Jeremy Corbyn. | :35:45. | :36:04. | |
Elections tell us something significant but is it a cast iron | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
guarantee that the precise configuration of votes in five | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
weeks, no of course, not. It doesn't mean they tell us nothing. They tell | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
us something because the Prime Minister has by launching this | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
barrage against the European Union the day before the Council elections | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
made this partially about Brexit. So I think it is, to some extent, a | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
reflection of what's likely to happen in the general election. Same | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
with the Ukip vote for instance. I have another result from south | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
Ayrshire. This is a hung Council. Some of these Scottish results | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
coming through a little more rapidly. We will get more now | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
through to 2pm. 12 seats to the Conservatives there. Nine to the | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
SNP. Labour on five. The independents on two. The change from | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
last time and we see that the Conservatives have modest gain of | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
two seats. The SNP also. Labour losing four seats. It is a hung | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
Council. Short by three of a majority. That's the latest result | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
in from Scotland. Waiting for us patiently outside Parliament is | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
Douglas Carswell. Good afternoon, thanks for waiting patiently to talk | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
to us Hi there. What do you think of it so far? Speaking as Ukip's first | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
and last member of Parliament, I'm delighted with this result. A lot of | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
people like me, 3. 8 million of us supported Ukip at the last election | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
because we were so passionate about that referendum. Now what we need to | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
do is make sure that Theresa May gets a megamandate to go and make | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
sure that we get on with it and get Brexit and get the deal that's in | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
our interesting. It's wonderful to watch. For the former colleagues of | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
yours, telling us today this is all about a challenge to rebrand, it's a | :37:48. | :37:50. | |
challenge to get new leadership, to get the party to put forward new, | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
radical policies. There is a future for Ukip. What do you say to them? | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
There are a lot of good people in Ukip. I wouldn't want to say | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
anything unkind. We all know that it's over. We all know that the, you | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
know, let's be Frank, I'd be surprised if Ukip field more than | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
100 candidates in the general election. I don't mean that an | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
aggressive, insulting way, it's a reflection of the fact that | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
thousands of Ukip supporters and activists realise that the only way | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
to make sure we get the deal that we need to get is to make sure that | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
Theresa May has a megamoney date on June 8. There are all sorts of areas | :38:25. | :38:33. | |
where we can disagree to the Tories. Theresa May's candidates have to be | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
returned to the building behind me so she with make sure we get the | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
deal in our interests and that's why we will see big support. We get a | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
lot of straight switches in the general elections, I hope that's | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
replicated in the general election. Just look at the figures here. While | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
you're with us. I'm looking at the figureses for England and the share | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
change since 2013. They're quite remarkable. We're looking at the | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
share change since 2013. 13% up for the Tories, 2% down for Labour. 3% | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
up for the Lib Dems. You were saying that, that's the | :39:15. | :39:23. | |
precise point you were making. Absolutely. Isn't it a compliment to | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
Britain's political culture that this mood of anti-establishment | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
politics is manifested in record support for a vicar's daughter from | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
Maidenhead. Compare that to what's happening in France. This is a great | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
news for the country and our democracy. I'm not sure is Theresa | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
May sees herself as the anti-establishment candidate. That's | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
why she's doing so well. She's the anti-establishment candidate and | :39:51. | :39:52. | |
insurgent candidate. For those people who, you know, you've been | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
campaigning in recent years, telling people that Ukip is the answer, and | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
this is before Brexit and to some extent after it, I'm just wondering | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
what they make now of a message from you, which is now radically | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
different again in party terms? There was a window of opportunity | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
for six to eight weeks after the Rochester by-election, where we | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
could have been a Libertarian version of the SDP, but we didn't | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
change gear. We didn't change our tone. That window of opportunity has | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
closed. I think the sensible thing for anyone out there who used to | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
support Ukip is to recognise that no party is perfect, but it's the | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
choice between a chaotic Corbyn administration and Theresa May | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
getting on with it. On that basis alone, we will see the vast majority | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
of Ukip voters at the last general election make that change too. I | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
made that change. It's a difficult change to make. But you know, we | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
shouldn't make this with any sense of regret. We do this as a party | :40:49. | :40:59. | |
that's been 10 successful. -- has been 100% successful. Aaron Banks | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
said today the current leadership has crashed the car at the first | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
bend of the race. Ukip without positive, radical policies is | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
finished as an electoral force. The point is that he's saying that | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
possibly with positive, radical policies it wouldn't be finished. I | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
don't, with respect, take Aaron with anything more than a pirchling of | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
salt. You know -- pinch of all the. He's entitled to his views as are | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
other members. What really matters is what the 3. 8 million Ukip voters | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
decide to do. It's clear that whatever the leadership in Ukip | :41:37. | :41:39. | |
decides, the core support, the people who voted for us last time, | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
they're off. We've lost about half our vote, I reckon in the next | :41:44. | :41:51. | |
three, four weeks we will see Ukip down to 1% or 2% in the polls. | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
That's good, we've done our job. Thank you very much for joining us | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
at Westminster. I'm going to pop along to our other studio and talk | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
to John Curtis, who has been looking in detail at some of these figures. | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
Our resident expert and analyst. John, first of all, on the Ukip | :42:10. | :42:18. | |
point, with Douglas Carswell predicting they'll be down to 2% in | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
the polls, he has a bit of an agenda on this, but what do you make of the | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
Ukip picture? The Ukip vote has fallen away in the last couple of | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
weeks because many voters, Douglas Carswell suggests has decided | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
they're voting for the Conservative Party is the best way to realise | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
their vision of Brexit. Whether the vote is in truth going to fall away | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
further, I'm not so sure. If you look at the details of the opinion | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
polls, there was a sudden drop in Ukip support the moment that Theresa | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
May announced the election. Since then it's tended to hold steady. In | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
truth, the kind of figures we've been seeing in the results are | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
pretty much consistent with the 6%, 7% that the party has been getting | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
in the opinion polls. I'm not sure we should necessarily assume the | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
rest of it will disappear. There will be some people who actually do | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
feel that the Conservative Party are not tough enough on immigration, | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
doubt whether they will deliver the Brexit they want or think of it as | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
being too much of the establishment. I suspect some of the Ukip vote will | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
survive. With the Labour performance, we had a provisional | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
result in Derbyshire, for example, which if it was carried through | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
would be a massive blow. What do you make of Labour's performance? I | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
think one important pattern to be aware of is that the biggest swings | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
against Labour in England have been in the wards where Labour were | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
previously strongest and that is also reflected in the councils which | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
have swung most against Labour. They are Northumberland, a council which | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
perhaps on a better day Labour would have won control of, almost went to | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
the Conservatives. Derbyshire, which they hope to control and retain | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
control of. That isn't going to happen. And evidently the same thing | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
is happening in Nottinghamshire. Those were the three most Labour | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
councils, apart from Durham, that were voting today. They are the | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
councils where Labour are apparently in most trouble. Of course, that | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
means, if this were to translate into the general election, it does | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
therefore mean that maybe even if the Conservative lead is a little | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
bit less than the opinion polls might suggest, the impact in terms | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
of seats could still be very, very substantial because if the swing | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
against Labour is greatest in the seats it's trying to defend, ergo, | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
Labour is going to lose more seats than otherwise would be the case. | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
There's going to be some concern inside the Labour Party, | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
particularly how perhaps some of its traditional support bases seem to be | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
being eroded as evidenced by local elections. If you were in | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
Conservative central office today or whatever they call the headquarters, | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
how optimistic should they be in terms of talking about, as they were | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
recently, a possible land slide? I think I would still reckon I have a | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
reasonable chance of getting there. I would certainly also be encouraged | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
by the progress being made in Scotland, which will help. I think | :45:16. | :45:18. | |
the one word of caution would be, what I'd look at for this afternoon | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
are the results from the city regional mayor contests. In some | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
ways they're difficult to read, because personalities will matter | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
more. But given what happened in Bristol, if it were to be the case | :45:31. | :45:37. | |
that perhaps in more urban England the Conservative advance isn't so | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
great, maybe actually then there will be a little degree of cause of | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
concern. Thing to watch out for this afternoon: What happens in | :45:46. | :45:47. | |
Birmingham. Though the truth is Labour are going to win in Liverpool | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
and Manchester, how much does the Tory vote go up in places like that | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
as well. A final thought about the picture in Scotland. We were talking | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
earlier about the prospects there for the Conservatives and SNP and | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
indeed Labour, of course, in Glasgow, because we know what the | :46:03. | :46:04. | |
picture is there. What would you say St -- say? We were expecting the | :46:05. | :46:12. | |
Conservatives to make a substantial advance. That's happening. We | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
expected the SNP to advance, but we didn't know by how much. On the | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
evidence so far, probably not as much as the SNP would like therefore | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
not doing as well as in the last couple of elections. One word of | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
warning, of course, because the Conservatives have got a councillor | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
in Shettleston does not mean they are the most popular party. | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
Remember, this is proportional representation, getting 25% of the | :46:39. | :46:40. | |
vote will get awe I Councillor in Scotland. Therefore -- get you a | :46:41. | :46:46. | |
Councillor in Scotland. The geography is rather different than | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
England because it's not a winner take all system. Shropshire, let's | :46:50. | :46:51. | |
look at the results there. This is a partial result. We see a | :46:52. | :47:16. | |
very strong Conservative performance. So far the changes look | :47:17. | :47:18. | |
like this: 57 of 74 declared. That's the | :47:19. | :47:32. | |
picture there in Shropshire. Just a quick look at percentages. 51% of | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
the vote so far. I want to go to North West Wales and | :47:36. | :47:49. | |
look at Gwynedd. So what we're going to do now is | :47:50. | :48:28. | |
chat around this table here. Peter, your thoughts on what we heard from | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
John Curtis and the results we've just had. Yeah, a few minutes ago | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
you showed the national vote change. If you put Labour and Liberal | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
Democrats together and say that's prot yes, sirrive block and -- | :48:42. | :48:48. | |
that's progressive block. And then the Conservative block as well. | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
There's a slight swing from right to left since four years ago. But the | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
right has gained seats, the left has lost seats. The Conservatives have | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
gained more than Ukip have lost. Labour and Liberal Democrats are | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
down. This has some significance for the general election. It shows that | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
when one side is divided, as the right was four years ago, through | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
Conservative and Ukip, you don't do as well as when that side comes | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
together. Whereas the left is more divided. In seats terms it's bad | :49:18. | :49:25. | |
news for Labour. One quick point for the Conservatives, if these vote | :49:26. | :49:31. | |
shares hold up, then this could be the very best results that any | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
governing party has had in local elections going back to 1979. It's | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
touch-and-go as to whether it beats the local elections held in the | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
middle of the Falklands War, when the Conservatives were massively | :49:50. | :49:51. | |
popular, Margaret Thatcher was massively popular. It might beat | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
even that in terms of the con-lab battle. Whether that tells us | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
anything about five weeks' time, who knows. But like with like, this is | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
significant. Peter can say that with some confidence. Within some hours, | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
I'd have thought. North Tyneside. This is a mayoral result. This is a | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
single authority mayor elections: Labour have held on in north | :50:18. | :51:13. | |
Tyneside. Just a quick word on that Dianne, given that you've wanted to | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
pin point Labour success as well. It's important to wait for the | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
result of these big mayoralties, we will see when we get those results | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
that Labour still has support in depth. These local elections don't | :51:30. | :51:41. | |
tell us everything, all this talk of a megamandate, land slide, some | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
voters will find that chilling and that will help us in the general | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
election. Sam? The general election will be an historic one in terms of | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
where we are in the country. It is important that whoever ends up as | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
Prime Minister does so with the strongest possible mandate. Now | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
Jeremy Corbyn has been leader of his Labour Party for longer than Theresa | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
May has been leader of the Conservative Party. This is the | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
first electoral test that they've both faced as leaders of their | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
party. I think the results are beginning, very early days, speak | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
for themselves. I agree with Dianne. We can't be complacent. But for | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
different reasons. I think the risk on June 8 of Jeremy Corbyn as Prime | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
Minister as too great. For the Lib Dems, we will clearly be fighting in | :52:23. | :52:31. | |
the strong holds, places like Eastleigh, Cheltenham, the | :52:32. | :52:34. | |
south-west. There will be an intense battle in the seats where we are | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
Conservative facing, where there is now a very stark choice between a | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
Conservative Party which I think has gone off onto the hard right, in | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
terms of adopting a hard Brexit position. Where I think Liberal | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
Democrats supporters and Labour voters need to look carefully at | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
what do they want the outcome of the general election to be? Do they want | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
to grant the Government a large mandate where they will railroad | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
through some of the measures they have been trying to around school | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
cuts and underfunding of the NHS or do they want an Opposition, the | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
Liberal Democrats, there and able to challenge the Government to restrain | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
their worst excesses in terms of what they might do after June 8. | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
Another result in from north Ayrshire. Some of these Scottish | :53:18. | :53:18. | |
results now coming in for us. This is one of those areas where | :53:19. | :53:48. | |
traditionally in Parliamentary terms the Conservatives have had | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
representation. I think I'm right, Sir George Younger was the MP for | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
Ayr in years gone by. This is an area where the Conservatives | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
certainly are making confident noises and they're putting on six | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
seats in north Ayrshire. Let's see if that is repeated elsewhere. We | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
want to talk about Cambridgeshire. Two things there, the county | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
election and of course, one of these big Metro mayor election as well, | :54:15. | :54:17. | |
Peterborough and Cambridge. Two things to talk about. Our | :54:18. | :54:23. | |
correspondent is in Soham. Bring us up to date on the county contest | :54:24. | :54:31. | |
first. Well, yes, big shock I suppose in terms of the County | :54:32. | :54:38. | |
Council elections in that two of the most senior Ukip candidates have | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
lost their seats to the Conservative. Pete Reeve was married | :54:45. | :54:51. | |
to Linda Duffy, one of the Ukip candidates. That is a big | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
disappointment for Ukip. Otherwise it is going fairly as expected. Two | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
Ukip losses the big story here. That's one, now I must just to let, | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
just to explain to viewers what are going on, six big mayoral contests | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
are going on, these big city regions, all part of the | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
Government's devolution strategy, handing power to the big city | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
regions in some cases with a big budget, in some areas looking after | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
transport, housing and things like that. This is one of the contests in | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
your patch there. Tell us about that contest and when we should have a | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
result on that. We should get a result at around about 5pm, we | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
think. Counting has just got under way. As you say, for the mayor of | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
Cambridgeshire, no results yet. We do have early turnout figures. This | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
is across the six districts that are voting. No local elections here. | :55:49. | :55:56. | |
Turnout is low, at just over 20%. Same story in Fendon. It is the | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
turnout figures for Cambridge and south Cambridge that really provide | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
the first clues as to who may be the final two candidates in the run-off. | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
We do think it will go to second preference votes. Turnout of over | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
40% in both Cambridge and south Cambridgeshire. That will only | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
benefit the Liberal Democrats, who've been canvassing and | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
campaigning aggressively on an anti-Brexit ticket in an area that | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
voted remain. We think the Liberal Democrat candidate will be one of | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
the two candidates in the run-off. Elsewhere, seven Parliamentary | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
constituencies in Cambridgeshire, six of them Tory. All the councils | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
have Tory jorts and we do think James Palmer, who has been the front | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
runner throughout the race, he is likely, we think, to head off the | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
Liberal Democrat challenge. It has been close to call throughout the | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
campaign. It will go to the wider declaration at around 5pm | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
Thanks very much for bringing us up to date. Another result in. This is | :57:01. | :57:03. | |
Norfolk: The greens in Norfolk, that's | :57:04. | :57:52. | |
interesting. The greens in the past have been quite confident in parts | :57:53. | :57:55. | |
of Norfolk itself. They've lost three seats there. Looking at the | :57:56. | :57:57. | |
change in the percentage share. I stress, I stress that is not the | :57:58. | :58:13. | |
final result there. We're getting close to the lunch time news. I want | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
to say thank you very much to Dianne and to Sam and Tom. You've been | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
exemplary guests all of you, thank you very much. Peter, we'll talk | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
against in a short while. Thank you very much. Now, the one o'clock news | :58:25. | :58:31. | |
will be starting on BBC One. It will be on the BBC News channel too. | :58:32. | :58:36. | |
That's all for now from our special coverage of the local elections in | :58:37. | :58:39. | |
England, Scotland and Wales. We'll be back here at election centre on | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
the BBC News channel and on BBC Two again this afternoon from 2pm with | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
more results, so with thanks to all the guests. We thank you for | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
watching and we'll see you later on. Bye for now. | :58:54. | :58:59. |