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Good morning from Westminster, and welcome to our live coverage

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of the local election results in England, Wales and Scotland.

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At stake is control of dozens of local authorities,

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providing essential local services to millions of people.

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It's a very important exercise in local democracy,

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but it's also a useful insight into the state of public

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opinion ahead of next month's general election.

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We'll have coverage of results as they happen, but we already have

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plenty of news from the counting overnight.

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It's been a very good night for the Conservatives

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They've taken control of the councils in Gloucestershire,

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Lincolnshire, Warwickshire and Monmouthshire.

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They've also won the West of England Mayoral contest.

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And it looks at this early stage that they're heading for their best

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set of local elections for a decade or more.

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They are losing ground in England as we speak.

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And in Wales they've lost overall control

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of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil, two councils in their

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Although they have held on to the capital city, Cardiff.

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And it has been a bad night for Ukip - overnight they lost every

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And the party has been wiped out on councils like Lincolnshire,

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Their vote share is down dramatically, most of it going

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The SNP are trying to take the city council from Labour.

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The Scottish counting has only just started, so those results are all to

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come. Labour have had decades of controlling Glasgow City Council.

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We'll be covering the results from Scotland as they come in.

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To say the least, there is plenty to talk about!

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Here in the studio we're joined by our political

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A very good morning to you all. Take a breath, we will be with you in a

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moment. But first let's bring

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you right up to date As I said, lots of results have

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already come in. We have loads to come. I would like to see the

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scorecard of councillors, which will change during the day but, so far,

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this is the picture. The Conservatives have made 155 gains in

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terms of council seats, Labour 125 losses so far. Independents are

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about 25. Nothing for the SNP because, as I

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have said, no Scottish results in yet. They will come in during the

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late morning and into the afternoon. Early days, plenty to come. We will

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have reaction from my guests in a moment. Before that we will catch up

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with the full story of the election so far and the rest of the day's

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news, let's say good morning to Joanna Gosling. Let's bring you up

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to date with the results. The Conservatives have made big

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gains in the council elections in England and Wales,

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recording their best The Tories have gained control of

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five counties and Labour have lost three. The Conservatives say the

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results are encouraging, Labour said it was tough but not the wipe-out

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predicted by many. Our political corresponding Chris

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Mason has the story so far. It's been a night of

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nocturnal arithmetic. Democracy in the small hours,

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the will of the electorate Rosettes worn proudly but plenty

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of nervous faces too. Tim Charles Bowles is duly elected

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as the West of England Here in the West of England

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the Conservative candidate made history by becoming the regional

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Mayor. This is what winning

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and retaining power looked They've won control of Warwickshire,

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Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire Here in Cumbria the Tories

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have replaced Labour I think that the national scene has

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a lot to do with it. I think Theresa May came

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across on the doorstep really, We've had no negativity towards

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the Conservative Party at all. I think it bodes extremely well

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for the general election Clearly Labour nationally is a long

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way behind in the opinion polls and inevitably the election

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will reflect that. My own view is that the result

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in the general election won't be as bad as the polls

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would currently indicate. I think we will be able

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to close the gap between now But there was some positive news

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for Labour when the counting It's in Lincolnshire that this man,

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Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall, will fight for a Westminster

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seat next month. But overnight his party was wiped

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out from the local authority. I don't think people have stopped

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voting Ukip, I concede we have lost seats today but we have always said

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we expect this to be a very tough election for Ukip, we have said it

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for several years. The Liberal Democrats acknowledge it has been a

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mixed set of results for them. That is fair, we have held ground, unlike

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Labour, which has collapsed, and Ukip, which has virtually

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disappeared. In areas where we hope to win back MPs in the general

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election, like Cheltenham, Eastleigh and Wells, we have done

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exceptionally well. The Green Party says that with the Conservatives

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dominant, other parties need to collaborate. There is a strong

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message that people want the more progressive parties to work together

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rather than against each other, it is clear that when we stand against

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one another we lose ground and the Conservatives gain. Back to the

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coating for now, still plenty of that to be done. -- back to the

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counting. The final day of campaigning has

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begun in the French presidential Polls show that the centrist

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Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National

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opponent Marine Le Pen. Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed

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a lawsuit over online rumours that he had a secret bank account

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in the Caribbean. He has strongly denied

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the allegations. The Government is set to publish

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draft plans to tackle air pollution following a legal battle

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with environmental campaigners. The measures are expected to contain

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a scrappage scheme for older diesel cars and the removal of speed bumps

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to cut pollution caused by cars That's a summary of the news -

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now back to Local Election Welcome back to our election

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special, we are here all day because there was plenty to talk about,

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results overnight but lots to come across Scotland, England and Wales.

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To what extent can we look at these results and then maybe have a

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clearer picture about what might or might not happen in five weeks at

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the general election? It is a cautious process.

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Our political editor Laura Kuenssberg is with us.

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Your thoughts so far? It is a barometer rather than something

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directly translates to the general election, but two things stand out.

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The bottom line is for an opposition party to look anything like

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realistically heading towards number ten they should be gobbling up seats

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in local elections that this kind of stage. Labour, in these early is

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falling back. Part of the reason is the second thing which is extremely

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striking, a total collapse, so far, in the Ukip votes, losing all the

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seats in some councils, falling back all over the place. It seems that so

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far what the Tories hoped for and what they hope will happen in spades

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in the general election is that many Ukip voters, there will be more all

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is a straight switch that Brexit, the vote last year has more or less

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removed Ukip's reason for being. A thought about the kind of things we

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will be looking out for in the coming hours? We will be on air this

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morning and this afternoon, what will be the main signals you are

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looking for? When we get to mid-afternoon and see the results

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coming back from councils like Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, those

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results with marginal seats, where traditionally general elections are

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decided. Nottinghamshire was held by Labour, if the Tories took

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significant seats and maybe grab the council from the Labour Party, that

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is the kind of signal that would suggest we would see that repeated

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in the general election and therefore that Labour might be in

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big trouble in the marginals. The West Midlands mayoral contest, for

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the first time a big political job has been created in Birmingham, that

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has been a very fierce fight between Labour and the Tory party. That

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matters not just because it is a big, new important job, but because

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voters live in marginal seats in the Midlands that, again, play into the

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eventual general election results. Lots of things will happen through

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the day, it will be fascinating to see of the Tories make significant

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inroads in Scottish councils, do the SNP hold-up? But the big picture,

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the bottom line is opposition parties with a realistic chance of

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gaining power ought to be taking seats, not counting losses.

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Let's get a quick thought from my three guests. Emily, do you quibble

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with Laura's take on Labour so far? It is a mixed picture, we have had

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some good results. Winning the Doncaster Merrell on the first count

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was good. There are seats like new court where the Prime Minister

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herself campaigns, where is the Tory surge in Wales we were hearing about

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so much? There has been a lot of spinning in advance of this, we were

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told Labour would do extremely badly, it has been a picture so far.

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Your take? The results are encouraging, there are lots more

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results to come and we are looking at trying to extrapolate that the

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June the 8th, there is a long way to go, a much bigger turnout of June

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Yates and a lot of work to do to make sure we get the votes we want

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to put Theresa May back into Downing Street. And early thought from you,

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Suzanne? We have been dealing with headline saying that Ukip is

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finished for many years. Emily mentioned the Doncaster Merrell

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elections, we polled over 12% Ukip vote is still quite strong. Our

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reason for being is on the way, we are on the way out of the EU. After

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the Brexit process, there is a huge opportunity for us to rebrand, look

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at policies that are very hard-hitting outside of the EU

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portfolio, I think it is a great challenge for Ukip to surge ahead in

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future months. Thank you very much, we will be back with you in a

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moment. Emily was talking about Wales and

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the fact there was talk about a big conservative surge in Wales, but we

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need to look at all of the parties there. Let's look at them and the

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Welsh context. What has happened so far is that Labour has sustained 73

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losses so far. The Independents in Wales

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traditionally do very well in lots of the Ryu areas. -- rural areas.

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Not all the Welsh results are in. I will show you one specific result,

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Bridgend, where Carwyn Jones operates as a politician, he is the

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First Minister and this is his backyard, if you like. Labour has

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lost overall control of Bridgend. If you look at the difference you

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will see the Conservative surge in Bridgend. The Prime Minister was

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campaigning quite recently. My colleague Tomos Morgan is in

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Cardiff. Tellers where Labour isn't what you think of the other parties'

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performances. The Garbutt started off very difficultly, they lost

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Bridgend early on, they lost the leader in Merthyr Tydfil, but then

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it's picked up. They held onto Cardiff, the largest council in

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Wales. It has strengthened what can be a difficult night. They were

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under attack from the west of Cardiff from Plaid Cymru, from the

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north of Cardiff from the tourism from the central from the Lib Dems.

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Plaid Cymru realise they had not done as well as expected early in

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the camps, that has maybe been reflected in how it has been turned

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out in the rest of Wales, they have made some gains but not as

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significant as they would have liked. The Tories made a slight gain

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in the north, not as significant as they would have liked. The Tories

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have taken Monmouthshire and made gains in the Vale of Glamorgan, they

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now have the most amount of seats in Glamorgan, taken over from Labour,

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although there is no overall control. You mentioned that

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independents play a big part in Wales. In Wrexham, they held onto

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having the most number of seats in Wrexham after ten Labour councillors

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in 2015 switched allegiance to being independent. Holding on in Wrexham.

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Bridgend is the most interesting story in that the Conservatives

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going from one seat to 11, that'll be the target for Theresa May and

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the main target when the general election comes. A mixed night for

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Labour, disappointment for the Lib Dems losing seats, reasonable

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happiness from Plaid Cymru. I think they expected a few more but there

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is Rhondda later to come in the counter. Ukip doing nothing here,

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emulating how they did across England. Thank you, Tomos Morgan.

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Some interesting patterns to pick up on as we go through the morning. I

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want to look at the performances in the English counties. Why don't we

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pick Lincolnshire? That is a good example of relative strength, Ukip

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Tidwell there in 2013 and the Conservatives have now gained

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control from no overall control. 58 seats in Lincolnshire for the

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Tories, Labour on six, Independents on five, Lib Dems on one. What does

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that tell us if we look at 2013, looking at the difference between

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today and 2013. 23 games for the Conservatives, 13 losses for Ukip.

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This was a county which was part of the great Ukip surge of 2013. I

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should make the point that 2013 was an exceptionally strong year for

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Ukip, it is when they burst onto the scene, so it is a high watermark

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that we are comparing with. 13 losses there food Ukip in

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Lincolnshire. I would like to talk to Tim Iredale in Lincoln. Talk us

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through the results and what you read into them.

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The Conservatives were always confident of gaining control of

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Lincolnshire but they have done so with what amounts to a local

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landslide, securing 58 out of 70 seats available. You mention the

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last county council election here in 2013. Then, the Tories were forced

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into a minority administration, largely because of the success of

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Ukip. Four years ago Ukip 116 seats here, a mixture of defections and

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some leaving the party, said they came into these elections with nine

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councillors. Ukip have been wiped out here in Lincolnshire, they have

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no county council seats in this county. To put it into perspective,

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this, Lincolnshire, is the most Eurosceptic county in the country.

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In last year's EU referendum it for some of the highest percentage of

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votes in favour of leaving the European Union. It will be where

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Paul Nuttall stands in the general election, in the constituency of

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Boston and Skegness down the road from here. I am sure he will be very

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disappointed man this morning, he may not admit it but to use the buzz

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phrase, a mixed picture, I don't think you can say that, they have

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been wiped out in Lincolnshire. Just a thought before I let you go,

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how we can translate local issues and project forward five weeks,

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because it has to be cautious process, but to what extent would

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you characterise this election as a very, very local one, or is it one

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you think was informed in many cases by national issues?

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Ukip are going out onto the doorstep today, they were not really talking

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about the big local issues, they were claiming that a vote for the

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Conservatives would see the Government backsliding, to use their

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favourite phrase, hard Brexit, so they were going completely gung ho

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for the Brexit vote is here in Lincolnshire. The same with the

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Conservatives, all belief that I have seen have had Theresa made 's

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picture on. It feels like a warm up act for the main event in just under

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five weeks' time, the joke going around Lincolnshire County Council

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today with the Conservatives is that the Tories have eaten the Kupers for

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breakfast. -- the Kippers. If it is about rebranding, what do

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you put this performance down to? It is a national agenda, that is the

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issue. It is a great shame because local Government is very different

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to national Government. I have been a local councillor myself, a

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different set of responsibilities and local level and the Tories might

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not be the best at running, our councillors in Lincolnshire have

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been very hard working but we all know that does not necessarily

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translate into votes when you have a situation like this nationally. It

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is interesting, we heard there that every single local election leaflet

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had Theresa May's face on it. I have to say I think the way the

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Conservatives have gone into this general election, ripping up the

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Fixed Term Parliaments Act, what was the point of that? Theresa may may

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have looked down the camera lens on several occasions and said, I am not

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going to call a snap election, the speed at which they have got these

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things out, that is not true, they have been planning this for months

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and have had a head start on the other parties. I am not going to

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play foul, we all know the Tories will take every opportunity they can

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to win elections, that is in a sense what politics is all about. But it

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is a great shame. We are going to see potentially a Tory landslide on

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June the 8th, we are going to possibly see the beginnings of a

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1-party state. That is not going to be good for the people of this

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country, ultimately. I know you both want to answer that, Emily and

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Brandon, but I want to bring Jim Professor John Curtice, who is

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joining us now, our resident Guru. Nice too with us. Can we have some

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headline thoughts? We heard Suzanne there with the Ukip angle on this

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but can we have your judgment on how the parties have done so far? The

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truth is there isn't much joy for Ukip, though I think perhaps we

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should say it is not a case of Ukip disappearing entirely, there are

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plenty of wards where they can still get five, six, 7% of the vote. The

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trouble is in a lot of these wards four years ago there were getting

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20, 25, 30% of the vote. They have gone back to being one of

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Britain's's small parties, rather than being the challenge to English

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party politics that we had seen, the biggest in post-war Britain. There

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are some signs of recovery, the vote seems to be up three points, the

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truth however it is still not a performance of the scale that we got

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used to with the Liberal Democrats before they joined the coalition

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with the Conservatives, getting 20% of the vote in local elections even

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in difficult years. But still some progress, some encouragement, but

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still far too early to talk about a significant Liberal Democrats

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revival from the no theatre which they fell during the coalition. But

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the big story is Conservative and Labour. A pretty bad night for

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Labour. Just a couple of glimmers of hope, hanging onto Cardiff, which we

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were not necessarily expecting, hanging on to Newport as well, which

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is a good result. And riding the Conservatives much closer in the

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West of England Merrill election than we might have anticipated. It

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is those results and one or two others that mean, yes, the

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Conservatives have done well, no doubt they have done. Is the spring

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really to the Conservatives of the scale we might expect in the opinion

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polls or is it a bit shorter? Why does that matter? Mrs May wants to

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get a bigger overall majority, and she needs a big double-digit lead

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and at the moment I'm not sure what we might be saying later on about

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how big her lead is. Very early results from Staffordshire this

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morning are good for the Conservatives so maybe the numbers

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will pick up in their favour. Let's have a look at the figures we were

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sharing again, these are changes since 2013 in keyboards. Keyboard

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share changes, 13% up for the Tories, 14% down for Ukip, Lib Dems

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up 2%, Labour down three, greens up one. Back in 2013, Ukip Tidwell, the

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equivalent of 22, 20 3% in general elections, that is why they can fall

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so far. As a result, neither the Conservatives nor Labour did very

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well in 2013 so the big increase of the Conservative vote is from a low

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baseline and a much lower baseline than they got in the general

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election. Conversely, however, Labour doing badly in 2013 and their

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vote even lower tells the tale of how, whatever doubts we have about

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how good the Conservatives are, the Labour Party not showing much sign

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of posing a significant challenge to the Conservatives and the opinion

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polls showing the party is a long, long way from being able,

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apparently, to being a contender -- credible contender for power in this

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election, broadly confirmed by the evidence of those figures you have

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shown. I don't want to get bogged down into much detail but we are

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showing share changes since 2013, if viewers are wondering why we are not

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comparing with 2015, what would you say to them? In England, at least,

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the elections that were held yesterday were four seats that were

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last fought in 2013 so what we are trying to do is explain, the

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Conservatives getting more seeds, Labour getting fewer, we are showing

:25:29.:25:32.

how the pattern of voting compared with local elections in 2013 looks.

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Of course, as you have gathered, during the course of the day we will

:25:38.:25:41.

also be giving you insight into perhaps what does this mean, for the

:25:42.:25:46.

general election, but initially we are being faithful to the fact these

:25:47.:25:50.

are local elections, lots of others have taken place in the last 20 or

:25:51.:25:54.

30 years, we are getting an idea how good or bad these results are for

:25:55.:25:59.

the parties. A few markers, maybe the best results for the

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Conservatives but ten years, maybe 25, so definitely a good set of

:26:04.:26:06.

local election performances by the standard of local elections, and for

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Labour is probably their worst since they lost power at Westminster in

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2010. Don't go too far, John, we will be back!

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Professor John Curtice there, with us throughout the day crunching the

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numbers. A quick comment from Brandon and Emily at this point,

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picking up from what John said. I thought about the extent to which

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you are confidently saying, Brandon, that yesterday, today makes you

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rather more bullish about what might happen on June the 8th? I refer back

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to what I said when we first started speaking a few minutes ago, these

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are encouraging but different to a general election, is very different

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turnout and I disagree with something Suzanne said, our

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councillors and candidates have been campaigning for local elections for

:26:55.:26:57.

many, many months on local issues, it is only the last couple of weeks

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we have been into the start of a general election so I credit the

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voters to know that yesterday they were voting for local Government and

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it is normal in local elections to have the leader of your party on

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your leaflet, it always has been for the Conservative Party. Emily? I

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would like to say something about the way the Conservatives are

:27:19.:27:20.

hunting down Ukip voters, it says something about the way Theresa May

:27:21.:27:25.

has been behaving lately. When she came back from visiting the Queen

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and stood on the steps of 10 Downing Street and came out with the most

:27:29.:27:33.

extraordinarily Paranoid statement about Europeans conspiring against

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our country and needing to stand up and fight, I think it was either a

:27:38.:27:44.

cynical ploy for Ukip votes and believing it is to the

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Conservative's advantage to become old Tory Eurosceptic in that way.

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What it might mean for this country if the Tories were elected on the

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back of such votes, it either means that she is doing it on purpose in

:27:56.:28:01.

order to try to get those votes, or potentially we have a Prime Minister

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who is as paranoid as she is, so we have a choice, she is either

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paranoid or extremely cynical. Probably the better interpretation

:28:11.:28:13.

is that she is extremely cynical but it is worrying, the way in which our

:28:14.:28:16.

country might be governed when it comes to dealing with Brexit in the

:28:17.:28:22.

future. Would today's results so far suggests she is rather more in touch

:28:23.:28:26.

with public opinion than you are? I think it is very easy when people

:28:27.:28:30.

are worried to whip up that worry and say, we can stand firm and fight

:28:31.:28:34.

against Europeans. But I think that is not the way to go into

:28:35.:28:38.

negotiations and it is not the way for a responsible politician to

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behave, because once you have said those things, you cannot take them

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back and she is on record saying the most extraordinary things and if she

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wants to be re-elected, which we hope she won't be, but if she is to

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be re-elected, what does that mean? We are trying to re-establish a

:28:54.:28:58.

relationship with the Europeans and the only way to get a strong Brexit

:28:59.:29:02.

is to get one that works for Britain and it has to be agreed by the

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Europeans. Has that stance damage Labour? We will see, we have five

:29:07.:29:11.

weeks. It is important that we go out and argue what I have just said,

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that a strong Brexit is a deal that works and does not mean alienating

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our European allies. We have to treat them as friends and we must

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not be treading down, occupying Ukip territory because, with respect, I

:29:25.:29:27.

don't think it is our country any good and for the Conservatives to

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shift into Ukip territory in that way to get votes is very worrying.

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Laura? The problem for the Labour Party,

:29:36.:29:40.

many parts of the country that they had seen as traditional Labour

:29:41.:29:44.

territory, they were also appealing areas for Ukip, so there will be

:29:45.:29:48.

seats that had been held by Labour, 71 of them, where the size of the

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Labour majority was smaller than the number of Ukip votes, so Ukip have

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not just been about taking voters from the Tories but also in the last

:29:57.:30:00.

few years been taking votes from the Labour Party. What I would say, as

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we discussed on Wednesday night, after Theresa May's statement in

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Downing Street, Tory sources behind the scenes were saying, of course

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part of the reasoning behind the statement, not all of it because

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there was genuine irritation in Government of what was coming out

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from Brussels, but part of the calculation was they are aware they

:30:22.:30:24.

were 4 million voters for Ukip at the last election and they want

:30:25.:30:28.

them. The point is that you can talk to people and say to them what is in

:30:29.:30:31.

the interest of the country and how that works. Of course, Labour wants

:30:32.:30:35.

the best possible deal for Britain as a whole, it is just a question of

:30:36.:30:39.

how you do it, the language you use and what you are saying. We can

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stand up for Britain better, we would say, than the Conservative

:30:47.:30:48.

hard Brexit trying to climb into the Ukip vote.

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What Theresa May said the other night was absolutely clear.

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Bureaucrats from Brussels have leaked things from their side, not

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ours. She wants the right deal for the United Kingdom. I think it was a

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very clear statement to people across the country, whether they

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voted Remain or Leave, it is in all of our interests to get a deal that

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is good for the United Kingdom and she will stand in for Great Britain.

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That is what I want is a Prime Minister. She has said we will stay

:31:21.:31:25.

in the Europe Ian Court of Human Rights, we are abandoning targets

:31:26.:31:37.

for net migration. If she is to get the Brexit that people voted for, we

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have to keep pushing for that, I don't see much sign at the moment. I

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have spoken to other Labour MPs, Emily, it is not just the Ukip vote

:31:44.:31:46.

moving to the Conservatives, but the Tories, for the same reason. Labour

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has completely abandoned people in its heartlands. The issues Ukip has

:31:50.:31:54.

talked about are resonating. Let's pause, a very quick word from Laura

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before the news. The referendum boat through all the pieces in the air,

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this is part of the settling down and it is shaping up to be quite a

:32:04.:32:08.

different map. I promise we will pick up on some of those points when

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we are back. It is 9:30am. Now the rest of the day's news

:32:10.:32:12.

with Joanna Gosling. The Conservatives have made big

:32:13.:32:15.

gains in the council elections in England and Wales,

:32:16.:32:19.

recording their best Many of the votes cast

:32:20.:32:21.

yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales are still to be

:32:22.:32:24.

counted, but Labour have suffered losses and Ukip have so far failed

:32:25.:32:27.

to win a single seat. The Conservatives have been

:32:28.:32:31.

celebrating a series Initial results show the Tories

:32:32.:32:33.

taking control of five local councils and winning more council

:32:34.:32:38.

seats than any other party. The Tories also celebrated victory

:32:39.:32:44.

in the West of England. The Conservative Tim Bowles was also

:32:45.:32:47.

elected to the newly created position of West of England Mayor

:32:48.:32:49.

was also victorious. However, senior members

:32:50.:32:53.

of the Conservative Party appeared to downplay the victory,

:32:54.:32:55.

suggesting that there were still I think the early results are

:32:56.:33:11.

encouraging, but they are early results. We have seen less than a

:33:12.:33:16.

quarter of the vote actually counted and reported. The turnout in local

:33:17.:33:20.

elections, of course, is much, much lower than in a general election. It

:33:21.:33:26.

is wrong to predict what will happen on June Yates. We still have a

:33:27.:33:30.

general election to campaign for and to win after last night, but

:33:31.:33:32.

encouraging signs. Elsewhere Labour have

:33:33.:33:33.

lost three councils, Despite the losses in Wales,

:33:34.:33:35.

Labour did hold onto The party was also victorious

:33:36.:33:38.

in Doncaster, where its candidate Ros Jones, the Labour mayor

:33:39.:33:41.

was re-elected after getting Labour has defended

:33:42.:33:44.

its performance so far. The Party's Shadow Chancellor,

:33:45.:33:49.

John McDonnell, told people to wait for results elsewhere to come

:33:50.:33:51.

in before judging the It's been a disappointing

:33:52.:33:53.

night for Ukip. The Party failed to win any

:33:54.:34:00.

of the seats it contested - losing 39 previously

:34:01.:34:03.

held council seats. Ukip points out that it still has

:34:04.:34:05.

sitting councillors in the country, although those positions were not up

:34:06.:34:08.

for election this time. The Lib Dems have

:34:09.:34:14.

seen mixed results. A short time ago the Party had

:34:15.:34:15.

lost 28 council seats. The Party also failed

:34:16.:34:20.

to retake Somerset Council from the Conservatives,

:34:21.:34:22.

although leader John Osman was ousted by Lib Dem

:34:23.:34:23.

former MP Tessa Munt. The final day of campaigning has

:34:24.:34:31.

begun in the French presidential election before voting

:34:32.:34:34.

takes place on Sunday. Polls show that the centrist

:34:35.:34:36.

Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National

:34:37.:34:39.

opponent Marine Le Pen. Our correspondent Karin

:34:40.:34:43.

Giannone is in Paris. What reaction has there been

:34:44.:34:46.

as we enter the final Welcome to a busy Friday in the

:34:47.:34:59.

centre of Paris, it is anything but normal because we are into the final

:35:00.:35:04.

hours of the 2017 presidential election campaign. Come midnight

:35:05.:35:08.

French time, the candidates must fall silent and campaigning will be

:35:09.:35:13.

over before the vote on Sunday. It has been an incredible campaign so

:35:14.:35:19.

far, extraordinary particularly bad tempered. The final debate on

:35:20.:35:23.

Wednesday was one of the most heated that a French presidential election

:35:24.:35:28.

has ever seen. It has not done Marine Le Pen any favours, Emmanuel

:35:29.:35:35.

Macron has increased his lead to 62% against her 38%. Let me give you a

:35:36.:35:39.

flavour of what the papers are making up the campaign going into

:35:40.:35:43.

the final day. The financial newspaper talks about Macron Le Pen,

:35:44.:35:48.

a battle against extremism, it says that a Emmanuel Macron is the

:35:49.:35:51.

favourite going into the second round. They call it an

:35:52.:35:56.

extraordinary, unprecedented election campaign. Le Figaro calls

:35:57.:36:01.

Marine Le Pen's campaign a shipwreck. They talk about Macron

:36:02.:36:06.

B arch favourite. Marine Le Pen always says that the mainstream

:36:07.:36:09.

media are against, this would be typical of their stands, they call

:36:10.:36:14.

her The Big Loser of the televised debate. Le Monde, Marine Le Pen

:36:15.:36:22.

talks about the strategy of the lie. Inside Le Monde they have 19 facts

:36:23.:36:28.

that they say Marine Le Pen said in the presidential debates, they have

:36:29.:36:31.

dissected them, fact check them, they say she was lying in all 19

:36:32.:36:39.

cases. Let's show you this left-wing paper, that is Jean-Marie Le Pen,

:36:40.:36:42.

Marine Le Pen's father and the friends of the National front in

:36:43.:36:48.

France, they say she has not changed, reinforcing what Marine Le

:36:49.:36:52.

Pen has always wanted to move on, into a future image. They say it is

:36:53.:36:57.

still effectively the same Le Pen. It is not a dead cert Macron, 20% of

:36:58.:37:03.

French voters are undecided so there is plenty to play for. Thank you.

:37:04.:37:08.

The Government is set to publish draft plans to tackle air pollution

:37:09.:37:11.

following a legal battle with environmental campaigners.

:37:12.:37:13.

The measures are expected to include a scheme to encourage

:37:14.:37:15.

drivers of older diesels to scrap their cars.

:37:16.:37:19.

And also the removal of speed bumps to cut pollution caused by braking

:37:20.:37:23.

and acceleration. A British man has died

:37:24.:37:25.

while skydiving in Thailand. It happened in the Thai

:37:26.:37:27.

resort town of Pattaya. The 69-year-old man -

:37:28.:37:29.

an experienced skydiver - leapt from a plane and landed

:37:30.:37:31.

in a nearby reservoir missing the airstrip

:37:32.:37:34.

at the Thai Sky Adventures airbase. His name was James McConnell. His

:37:35.:37:41.

son has posted a message on social media saying fly free, my hero.

:37:42.:37:43.

That's a summary of the news - now back to Local Election

:37:44.:37:46.

Welcome back to our day of live coverage of the local election

:37:47.:38:06.

results in Scotland, England and Wales. In the studio we have our

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political editor Laura Kuenssberg, Emily Thornberry of Labour, Brandon

:38:13.:38:15.

Lewis of the Conservatives and Suzanne Evans of Ukip. Thank you for

:38:16.:38:20.

still being with us. If you have just joined us I would like to

:38:21.:38:23.

remind you of what is going on. We are lots of results in, but lots

:38:24.:38:25.

to come. This is England and Wales, no

:38:26.:38:31.

results from Scotland yet. That is the picture across England

:38:32.:38:54.

and Wales, let's look more specifically at Wales in a second.

:38:55.:39:14.

Can I just stress, again, very early days. We will talk to Labour's

:39:15.:39:22.

Stephen Kinnock in Cardiff. Good morning, Stephen. We were talking

:39:23.:39:27.

earlier about a rather mixed picture, Labour in England suffering

:39:28.:39:32.

some pretty heavy losses. In Wales, holding onto Cardiff, Newport and

:39:33.:39:36.

Swansea, very big results, clearly, but how would you characterise the

:39:37.:39:40.

overall picture? I would agree with your word, mixed.

:39:41.:39:45.

I think there is a contrast between England and Wales. In Wales it is

:39:46.:39:51.

great to see we have held onto Swansea, Cardiff and Newport, in

:39:52.:39:56.

England, I don't think we can sugar-coat the pill, it is pretty

:39:57.:40:01.

disastrous. It is simply not good enough for a party that has been an

:40:02.:40:05.

opposition for seven years, heading towards a general election in five

:40:06.:40:12.

weeks, to not be picking up sensible results are not making progress. The

:40:13.:40:17.

explanation is that it Wales they have had strong Labour leadership, a

:40:18.:40:21.

fantastic First Minister in Carwyn and Labour cancels delivering public

:40:22.:40:28.

services that people want to see. I think there is a pretty clear

:40:29.:40:31.

distinction and what we need to do is recognise there is a mountain to

:40:32.:40:35.

climb over the next five weeks, and it is time we started climbing it.

:40:36.:40:40.

You have been very critical in the past the leadership of the party in

:40:41.:40:44.

terms of Jeremy Corbyn, I wonder to what extent you are pinning the

:40:45.:40:49.

performance in England on that leadership, or rather more local

:40:50.:40:56.

issues? Which is it? We can't just put a spin on this, the fact of the

:40:57.:41:00.

matter is that Jeremy's leadership comes up on the doorstep on a very

:41:01.:41:06.

regular basis. We had to make this election about more than leadership,

:41:07.:41:10.

we had to make it about the future of the country, the referendum has

:41:11.:41:16.

shown what a divided country we are and we have a deeply divisive Tory

:41:17.:41:22.

leadership, a deeply divisive campaign from Theresa May, she is

:41:23.:41:26.

losing friends and alienating people every time she engages with the

:41:27.:41:31.

European Union. We have to make this bigger and make it clear to people

:41:32.:41:36.

that it is about the future of our democracy. Theresa May wants a

:41:37.:41:41.

landslide victory and to create a one-party states, we are saying at a

:41:42.:41:45.

local level in every constituency, don't give the Tories a blank

:41:46.:41:49.

cheque, don't let them turn our country into a European version of

:41:50.:41:54.

the Cayman Islands. We have to have a strong Labour representation in

:41:55.:42:01.

Parliament to hold the Tories in check. Stephen, please stay with us.

:42:02.:42:04.

I have your colleague Emily Thornberry. When you save -- when

:42:05.:42:07.

Stephen says pretty disastrous and not good enough, that is different

:42:08.:42:14.

to your tome, what would you say to him? It is early days and Stephen

:42:15.:42:18.

and I agree it is important to unite, to make sure we take this

:42:19.:42:23.

fight to the Tories with a general election coming up, fight this on

:42:24.:42:26.

issues, on the way in which a different Government could make life

:42:27.:42:31.

different for people. In the end, issues count. It does not matter how

:42:32.:42:36.

Theresa styles her hair, we're not a presidential system. We have

:42:37.:42:42.

representatives at a local level and the Government is a collection of

:42:43.:42:47.

individuals, but most importantly be implemented policies and, as Stephen

:42:48.:42:51.

has said, the biggest challenge will be Brexit. We share a profound

:42:52.:42:55.

concern about what kind of Brexit we're heading for if this Tory

:42:56.:43:00.

Government gets back with a huge majority, particularly if they will

:43:01.:43:05.

be running the election on such a sceptical to Europe basis.

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If I can take you back to the original quote, he thought that the

:43:09.:43:15.

performance is pretty disastrous so far, can you agree with those words?

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I think it is too early to say, across the country it is mixed, I

:43:21.:43:25.

would say. Not good enough in terms of looking ahead five weeks hence?

:43:26.:43:30.

We have to work hard to make sure we stick together, we are united, that

:43:31.:43:36.

we remember that the common enemy is the Tory party and Tory Government

:43:37.:43:42.

and we need to make sure our 600,000 members are right on the doorstep

:43:43.:43:46.

arguing about and arguing in a united way and showing we have much

:43:47.:43:52.

more that unites than divides us. Stephen, are you convinced that the

:43:53.:43:55.

leadership is picking up the message you would like it to get?

:43:56.:44:01.

I think we have to learn from the success we have had, certainly, in

:44:02.:44:06.

the cities in Swansea, Cardiff and Newport, which I think is a

:44:07.:44:09.

reflection of the very impressive leadership that Carwyn has shown us

:44:10.:44:15.

in Wales. We have the next five weeks to prove we are picking up

:44:16.:44:21.

those messages and to prove that we are an alternative party of

:44:22.:44:24.

Government, that we have the leadership in place that can present

:44:25.:44:30.

a real picture and a real alternative to this Tory Government.

:44:31.:44:38.

That will be a factor on the doorsteps. We have to absolutely

:44:39.:44:42.

focus on what we are achieving locally, what we have done for the

:44:43.:44:47.

steel industry and at a local level in terms of regenerating our

:44:48.:44:49.

communities and rebuilding the public services in the face of a

:44:50.:44:56.

deeply damaging austerity from the Tories. The other good news from

:44:57.:45:01.

today and yesterday 's selves is the complete falling apart and implosion

:45:02.:45:06.

of Ukip. Very good news. We have seen the back of Ukip, I think that

:45:07.:45:10.

is the end of them as a party, a serious force in British politics.

:45:11.:45:14.

We have to turn our guns on the Tories and start doing the same to

:45:15.:45:19.

them. Paddy Ashdown treated a short time ago the huge progressive voice

:45:20.:45:24.

in the UK is being crucified by the lack of courage and leadership to

:45:25.:45:27.

get our act together, in other words suggesting he would like a

:45:28.:45:31.

Progressive Alliance. Can you briefly give us your response?

:45:32.:45:38.

I think the British people care about four things, work, family,

:45:39.:45:44.

community and country, and the Labour Party is a deeply

:45:45.:45:48.

patriotically, the party that took the United Kingdom into Nato, we

:45:49.:45:52.

were the driving force behind it. We are a party that unite communities

:45:53.:45:55.

and stands up for families and makes your working day a better day, and

:45:56.:46:00.

that is the message, the mainstream message that we have had, and have

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had since our party was created in 1901. We have got to get back to

:46:06.:46:17.

that mainstream, clear, centrist, patron got a vision for our party

:46:18.:46:20.

and our country and if we can do that there is absolutely no reason

:46:21.:46:23.

why we cannot be an alternative to the party of Government and cannot

:46:24.:46:26.

get a good result on the 8th of June. Your key message was that you

:46:27.:46:29.

have to get back to that region, the message that you are not on that

:46:30.:46:34.

message right now? We are seeing from people on the doorstep that

:46:35.:46:37.

they are worried about the polarisation of politics, they feel

:46:38.:46:41.

there is a shift to the hard left and a shift to the hard right and my

:46:42.:46:45.

vision for the Labour Party is not one where we are anywhere near the

:46:46.:46:51.

hard left, we are a party that is a centrist, patriotically party,

:46:52.:46:55.

stands up for working people, that believes in rebuilding public

:46:56.:46:58.

services and realises that we have got principles but if you want to

:46:59.:47:08.

put those principles into practice you have to win power, and if you

:47:09.:47:11.

are going to win power you have to be in touch with the people of this

:47:12.:47:15.

country. That is what we have to get back to. Labour's Stephen Kinnock,

:47:16.:47:17.

thank you very much. That was interesting, Laura.

:47:18.:47:20.

I would like to ask Emily, Stephen Kinnock clearly thinks that the

:47:21.:47:24.

Labour Party has gone too far to the left and Jeremy Corbyn is a problem

:47:25.:47:28.

on the doorstep? There is nothing in terms of policy that Stephen was

:47:29.:47:31.

talking about that I would disagree with, so I think sometimes we set up

:47:32.:47:36.

straw men for ourselves, when it comes to policies, when it comes to

:47:37.:47:41.

the way in which we can make Britain better, Stephen and I agree. His

:47:42.:47:45.

analysis is clearly that you have gone too far away from the

:47:46.:47:53.

mainstream. He used the phrase, the hard left, worried about Labour

:47:54.:47:56.

being the party of the hard left. Is he wrong? He did say that... Is he

:47:57.:48:02.

wrong about that? It is sometimes a Conservative attack that is put

:48:03.:48:07.

out... It is from one of your own MPs! The point is that although some

:48:08.:48:11.

people may say that, the question is, what policies is it, what is it

:48:12.:48:15.

that Labour stands for that is a hard left policy? If you look at

:48:16.:48:19.

what we stand for, we are certainly a party at the left, a Progressive

:48:20.:48:23.

party, we want the world to move on, our country to move on for the

:48:24.:48:25.

better, and we are a party of hope. But the problem that

:48:26.:48:44.

we have, we all know this, I am not telling you any secrets, is we have

:48:45.:48:46.

not been particularly united in the recent past. One thing that comes up

:48:47.:48:49.

again and again on the doorstep is people said they will not vote for a

:48:50.:48:52.

party that is not united. Stephen Kinnock says that on the doorstep

:48:53.:48:54.

people say they are worried about Jeremy Corbyn, in his word he says

:48:55.:48:57.

it comes up time and time again. Is he wrong about that, do you think he

:48:58.:49:01.

is an asset? I am not saying Jeremy does not come upon the doorstep

:49:02.:49:03.

sometimes but what also comes up is the importance of having a clear,

:49:04.:49:06.

united message. And Stephen and I agree on that, that is what we need

:49:07.:49:08.

to concentrate on. Let's pause for a second because

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there is a very exciting situation in Northumberland. Let's have a look

:49:13.:49:18.

at Northumberland, is this the final result? Just come in, this was

:49:19.:49:24.

really on a knife edge and it is still a hung council but when we

:49:25.:49:28.

look at this result we see the Conservatives on 33 and Labour on

:49:29.:49:32.

24. Let's have a look at the difference with last time, because

:49:33.:49:35.

what has happened if there has been a bit of a Conservative surge in

:49:36.:49:40.

Northumberland, picking up 12 seats, Labour have dropped eight, the Lib

:49:41.:49:44.

Dems have dropped dead, Independents up four, so not enough for the

:49:45.:49:48.

Conservatives to take control. They had hopes in Northumberland of

:49:49.:49:51.

taking control of the council, they have not done so, they are on 44% of

:49:52.:49:57.

the vote, Labour 27%, if we look at the percentage share of the vote,

:49:58.:50:02.

Independents 12 and Lib Dems on 12. What is the difference with 2013? To

:50:03.:50:08.

underline, the Tories putting on 13% but not enough to take them over the

:50:09.:50:13.

finishing line for overall control, Labour dropping back 9%, Lib Dems

:50:14.:50:18.

dropping back nine, Ukip dropping three in Northumberland.

:50:19.:50:21.

What I would like to do now, because we are looking at some of these key

:50:22.:50:26.

battle grounds, clearly we want to look as well at some of these

:50:27.:50:30.

mayoral contests which is happening. We have not mentioned them yet, they

:50:31.:50:35.

are some of the big political posts that have been invented as part of

:50:36.:50:39.

the devolution strategy of the Conservative Government. The West of

:50:40.:50:43.

England was one of them, we had the West of England result earlier

:50:44.:50:48.

today, let's have a look at it. This was the first preference, to take

:50:49.:50:52.

you through the voting process, this allows people to express preferences

:50:53.:50:56.

on the first preference vote we had Tim Bowles for the Conservatives in

:50:57.:51:00.

first place, Labour in second place, Lib Dems' Stephen Williams in third

:51:01.:51:06.

place. Went through, nobody had the required number of votes necessary

:51:07.:51:10.

to go through straightaway on the first round, as you can see there,

:51:11.:51:16.

27, 22 and 20. We went to a second round, let's have a look at that.

:51:17.:51:20.

There is the result in the West of England, the Lib Dems, by the way,

:51:21.:51:23.

had hoped with Stephen Williams, former Lib Dem MP, to do rather well

:51:24.:51:29.

here but what happened is the Conservatives narrowly won, beating

:51:30.:51:33.

Labour's Lesley Mansell. So Tim Bowles is the first of the big Metro

:51:34.:51:37.

Mayors that we can report on, that is the result in the West of

:51:38.:51:40.

England. There will be several more to come.

:51:41.:51:44.

Now, straight to the Midlands, there is a massive contest happening, in

:51:45.:51:49.

terms of the mayors and important county results as well. Patrick

:51:50.:51:52.

Burns is there for us. Tell us what happened overnight?

:51:53.:51:58.

Well, we had two of our Shire counties counting overnight, most

:51:59.:52:03.

started as no overall control and both now firmly under Conservative

:52:04.:52:07.

controlled. Gloucestershire and Warwickshire. Startling result in

:52:08.:52:11.

Warwickshire, actually, they needed to gain just two extra seats for

:52:12.:52:16.

overall control, they actually gained 12 and the Labour contingent

:52:17.:52:23.

in Warwickshire was halved from 20 to ten. Interest over whether the

:52:24.:52:26.

Liberal Democrats might enjoy something of a Brexit or should I

:52:27.:52:29.

say anti-Brexit bounce, they actually lost one of their seats so

:52:30.:52:35.

not much progress for them. Obviously delighted Conservative

:52:36.:52:37.

council, initially leading a minority administration, and the

:52:38.:52:44.

counsellor says it is a brilliant light, wonderful night, the map of

:52:45.:52:47.

Warwickshire turned blue from top to bottom from left to right. By

:52:48.:52:52.

contrast, thinking of course as you mentioned earlier, Warwickshire has

:52:53.:52:57.

some of those key general election marginal seats, places like

:52:58.:53:00.

Nuneaton, which was a totally marginal seat in 2015. Well, the

:53:01.:53:08.

Labour general election candidate in Nuneaton was actually one of the

:53:09.:53:11.

casualties on the council, he actually lost his seat last night,

:53:12.:53:15.

Phil Johnson, and he put the blame for that very firmly at the door of

:53:16.:53:20.

Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. Also losing their seats were the leader

:53:21.:53:25.

of the former Labour group and indeed the chairman of the local

:53:26.:53:28.

party, so there is no particular gloss to be put on this, it has been

:53:29.:53:34.

a very, very emphatic, bad night for Labour in key electoral area,

:53:35.:53:39.

Warwickshire, with all of those marginal seats, crunching the

:53:40.:53:43.

numbers with the general election in mind.

:53:44.:53:45.

Indeed, Patrick, and while you are with us, tell us, of course we are

:53:46.:53:50.

looking ahead, later today, probably around tea-time, to the result of

:53:51.:53:54.

the West Midlands mayoral contest, that has been a pretty tough fight

:53:55.:54:00.

so tell us what you are looking at at this point?

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It is a real knife edge, potentially a real thriller. All the suggestions

:54:05.:54:08.

are that it is a very, very close run thing between and Labour

:54:09.:54:12.

candidate, Sion Simon, former Government minister under Gordon

:54:13.:54:18.

Brown, now Labour member of the European Parliament for the West

:54:19.:54:21.

Midlands, and Andy Street, former boss of the John Lewis department

:54:22.:54:25.

store chain, he stood down from that role in order to become the

:54:26.:54:29.

Conservative candidate here. It has been a very close run thing, this

:54:30.:54:35.

contest, and as you say counting is just really in the very early

:54:36.:54:40.

stages. We don't expect anybody to have an overall majority, 50% plus,

:54:41.:54:45.

on the first count, it is almost certainly going to go to second

:54:46.:54:49.

preferences and that obviously does add a certain number of vagaries to

:54:50.:54:53.

the whole process, but I can tell you it is a real knife edge, there

:54:54.:54:57.

is no real confidence I think on either side, nobody has had the

:54:58.:55:00.

temerity to think they have it in the bag, and it is very big job,

:55:01.:55:08.

this it is a major set of political spending powers devolved from

:55:09.:55:13.

Westminster, Whitehall, to head an area through the Black Country,

:55:14.:55:19.

Birmingham, Coventry. I remember the architects of this originally were

:55:20.:55:22.

David Cameron and George Osborne and they said, for the maximum level of

:55:23.:55:27.

devolution to be had in to authorities like that, you need a

:55:28.:55:32.

focal point at the top for accountability, the elected mayor. A

:55:33.:55:36.

controversial figure, and there is a sentiment not just among local

:55:37.:55:38.

councillors but out in the electorate that this is an unwelcome

:55:39.:55:43.

job. In the name of localism the Government has actually insisted on

:55:44.:55:47.

this Mayoral role and we are all set for a thrilling contest with the

:55:48.:55:52.

final result, as you say, maybe late afternoon, tea-time, between 4pm and

:55:53.:55:55.

6pm is my guess. We will see you later, Patrick, but

:55:56.:56:02.

thank you for bringing us up to date in Birmingham.

:56:03.:56:04.

Indeed, some big and important contests there. I must tell you

:56:05.:56:07.

this, we were talking about Northumberland, saying the Tories

:56:08.:56:10.

have not quite managed to take overall control. After two recounts

:56:11.:56:15.

in south Blyth, one of the wards in the council there, the Lib Dems and

:56:16.:56:20.

Conservatives tied at 356 votes each so what happened? The candidates

:56:21.:56:25.

through straws which led to a Lib Dem victory and that is what then

:56:26.:56:28.

denied the Conservatives their overall majority in the county!

:56:29.:56:34.

Brandon, I am sure you will have some thoughts on that! I have

:56:35.:56:39.

experienced, I have to say, in my own county in Great Yarmouth when I

:56:40.:56:42.

was a council leader in Essex I have seen people on the drawing of cards,

:56:43.:56:46.

I have seen straws drawn before, it is a good example of why every vote

:56:47.:56:50.

count that any election, rather than leaving it to cards, every vote

:56:51.:56:57.

counts. Laura? Emily and Suzanne both look like

:56:58.:57:00.

they have their own painful memories of something going so close and

:57:01.:57:03.

going the wrong way for their own party! But about Northumberland,

:57:04.:57:08.

Labour came within an inch of winning outright control in 2013 and

:57:09.:57:12.

yet again we have seen the Tories piling on votes, another early sign

:57:13.:57:15.

that things are very tricky for Labour in parts of England

:57:16.:57:17.

particularly. In a few minutes we will get some

:57:18.:57:21.

Lib Dem reaction to what is going on, we will be talking to Baroness

:57:22.:57:25.

Jenny Randerson from Cardiff, she has been waiting to talk to us, but

:57:26.:57:37.

before we talk to Jenny we will get a full update on the weather first

:57:38.:57:40.

of all, and we will go straight to the BBC Weather Centre and joined

:57:41.:57:41.

the Labour review is there today. The dry spell seems like it is going

:57:42.:57:54.

to go on across most of the country today. Short of rainfall in recent

:57:55.:58:00.

weeks and the news is that this will keep to the French side of the

:58:01.:58:03.

Channel for the most part. For the rest of the day, not a great deal of

:58:04.:58:07.

change from what we have seen of late, the early low cloud lurking

:58:08.:58:11.

offshore for the most part, offshore breeze keeping cool around exposed

:58:12.:58:16.

coast of Scotland. The best of the warm the yet again towards the West,

:58:17.:58:21.

17, 18, possibly 19. Similar prospects across Northern Ireland,

:58:22.:58:26.

Eastern shores that bit cooler. The eastern coast of England, a bit more

:58:27.:58:30.

cloud across East Anglia and the south-east, generally across the

:58:31.:58:33.

southern counties, as has been the way of late. But less of a chance of

:58:34.:58:39.

a shower on the breeze and a greater chance of sunshine. Into the

:58:40.:58:43.

evening, we bring the weather front close by to the Isles of Scilly, the

:58:44.:58:47.

far west Cornwall, down to the Channel Islands and again with clear

:58:48.:58:50.

skies somewhere in the countryside in Scotland could see temperatures a

:58:51.:58:54.

few degrees below zero. But it means a bright start, not a great deal of

:58:55.:58:57.

change across the northern half of Britain but with the French close by

:58:58.:59:01.

to the south there is a chance of rain just getting into part of

:59:02.:59:06.

Cornwall, Devon, towards the Channel Isles, the Isles of Scilly, and

:59:07.:59:09.

there may just be enough cloud ahead of it for there to be the odd spot

:59:10.:59:14.

of rain in mid Wales, the Midlands, onto Lincolnshire, but by the

:59:15.:59:17.

afternoon many of these areas will be dry and the best of the sun

:59:18.:59:20.

shines through the day, the highest temperatures through western

:59:21.:59:23.

Scotland, maybe the western side of Wales, western side of Northern

:59:24.:59:27.

Ireland as well. But the onshore breeze still affecting eastern

:59:28.:59:31.

coasts. The frontal system moves away as the lone trundles off into

:59:32.:59:35.

northern Europe, notice we are cranking some of those isobars

:59:36.:59:38.

towards a northerly so a change of wind direction but not a warm one by

:59:39.:59:44.

any means, said the eastern shores again, nine, ten, 11, 12, still

:59:45.:59:48.

drive for the most part across the British Isles, the best of the

:59:49.:59:51.

sunshine and warmth likely found towards the west and early into next

:59:52.:59:55.

week, staying, for the most part, predominantly dry. Take care,

:59:56.:59:56.

goodbye. Good morning and welcome

:59:57.:00:18.

to viewers on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel

:00:19.:00:21.

for our special live coverage of the local

:00:22.:00:23.

elections in England, Thousands of councillors

:00:24.:00:24.

being elected overnight and today, responsible for delivering your

:00:25.:00:28.

essential public services - and all of this happening, unusually,

:00:29.:00:31.

during a general election campaign. We'll have results as they're

:00:32.:00:38.

declared, and we'll be getting reaction from the parties

:00:39.:00:40.

to what's going on. It's been a very good night

:00:41.:00:48.

for the Conservatives They've taken control

:00:49.:00:51.

of the councils in Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire, Warwickshire and

:00:52.:00:53.

Monmouthshire. They've also won the West

:00:54.:00:57.

of England Mayoral contest. And it looks - at this early stage

:00:58.:00:59.

that they're heading for their best set of local elections

:01:00.:01:02.

for a decade or more. A disappointing night the Labour,

:01:03.:01:17.

some people say it's disastrous, if you are listening to Stephen

:01:18.:01:18.

Kinnock. And in Wales they've

:01:19.:01:19.

lost overall control of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil,

:01:20.:01:22.

two councils in their Although they have held

:01:23.:01:24.

on to the capital city, Cardiff. Alongside the other key strongholds,

:01:25.:01:28.

Swansea and Newport. And it has been a pretty

:01:29.:01:37.

bad night for Ukip. And the party has been wiped out

:01:38.:01:39.

on councils like Lincolnshire, Their vote share is down

:01:40.:01:44.

dramatically, most of it The SNP are trying to take

:01:45.:01:47.

the City Council from Labour. That is after decades of Labour

:01:48.:01:58.

rule. Lots of other Scottish results coming in, that should be later this

:01:59.:02:00.

morning and this afternoon. In a moment we'll have more

:02:01.:02:06.

from our politicial guests - Labour's Emily Thornberry,

:02:07.:02:09.

the Shadow Foreign Secretary, And we're now joined

:02:10.:02:19.

by Councillor Peter Reeve from Ukip. And we'll get some more analysis

:02:20.:02:27.

of what these results all mean from our political editor,

:02:28.:02:30.

Laura Kuennsberg. We will be talking to Professor John

:02:31.:02:31.

Curtice as well. But first let's bring you right up

:02:32.:02:33.

to date with the results so far. We will have another surge of

:02:34.:02:47.

results later this morning and into the afternoon.

:02:48.:03:10.

That is the scorecard of National councillors. We will pick up on some

:03:11.:03:18.

of that and talk to some of our guests. We will have more results

:03:19.:03:23.

coming in and we will go head to some of the big results, including

:03:24.:03:27.

some of the big mayoral contests, for example Manchester and the West

:03:28.:03:28.

Midlands. And with all that in mind,

:03:29.:03:29.

let's join Joanna Gosling with a full round up of what's been

:03:30.:03:32.

happening where in these elections. And of course there is other news

:03:33.:03:34.

going on as well. The Conservatives have made

:03:35.:03:37.

big gains in the local elections with Labour

:03:38.:03:41.

and Ukip suffering loses. Many votes are still to be counted,

:03:42.:03:43.

but so far the Tories have gained control of five counties and Labour

:03:44.:03:46.

have lost three. The Conservatives have said

:03:47.:03:49.

the results were encouraging, Labour said it had been

:03:50.:03:50.

tough but not the wipeout With the story so far,

:03:51.:03:53.

here's our political Rosettes worn proudly, better

:03:54.:04:06.

overnight nervous faces, too. Already it is clear that the biggest

:04:07.:04:10.

wins so far are for the Conservatives. Charles Bowles as

:04:11.:04:17.

Julia elected as the West of England Manor. The Tory candidate made

:04:18.:04:24.

history by becoming the regional mayor.

:04:25.:04:28.

This is what winning and retailing power looked and sounded like for

:04:29.:04:34.

the party in Essex, they have won control of Warwickshire,

:04:35.:04:37.

Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire and the Isle of Wight.

:04:38.:04:40.

In Cumbria the Tories have replaced Labour is the largest party, but

:04:41.:04:45.

senior Conservatives are playing down expectations.

:04:46.:04:49.

The turnout in local elections, of course, is much, much lower than a

:04:50.:04:53.

general election. It is wrong to protect what will happen on June the

:04:54.:04:58.

8th, we have a general election to campaign for and to win after last

:04:59.:05:09.

night, but encouraging signs. There was some positive news for

:05:10.:05:11.

Labour. In Doncaster they held onto the elected mayor's job, but the

:05:12.:05:14.

party has lost scores of seats in swing areas.

:05:15.:05:17.

These counties are the Tories' strongholds. It was going to be a

:05:18.:05:22.

tough night for Labour, and we're in the middle of the general election

:05:23.:05:26.

campaign. Mixed motives, people voting largely on local issues, not

:05:27.:05:30.

national ones. But what is coming across is that where people

:05:31.:05:34.

predicted we would be wiped out, in places like Wales, we have done very

:05:35.:05:38.

well. In Lincolnshire, the Ukip leader

:05:39.:05:44.

Paul Nuttall will fight for Westminster seat next month, but his

:05:45.:05:47.

party was wiped out overnight on the local authority.

:05:48.:05:49.

It is a great shame because local government is very different from

:05:50.:05:52.

national government. I have been a local councillor, a whole different

:05:53.:05:56.

set of responsibilities. The Tories might not be the best at running

:05:57.:06:00.

them. Our councils in Lincolnshire have been very hard-working, but

:06:01.:06:08.

that does not necessarily translate. The Lib Dems admit it has been a

:06:09.:06:12.

mixed set of results so far. We have held ground in the face of a

:06:13.:06:17.

massive shift, an enormous shift of Ukip voters to the Conservatives,

:06:18.:06:22.

and given that has happened, we have done well to stay where we are. The

:06:23.:06:29.

Green Party says with the Conservatives dominating, other

:06:30.:06:32.

parties need to collaborate. There is a strong message that

:06:33.:06:35.

people want the more progressive parties to work together rather than

:06:36.:06:39.

against each other. Under this type of system it is clear that when we

:06:40.:06:43.

stand against one another we lose ground and the Conservatives gained

:06:44.:06:46.

ground. Back to the counting for now, plenty

:06:47.:06:49.

of that still to be done. The final day of campaigning has

:06:50.:06:51.

begun in the French presidential Polls show that the centrist

:06:52.:06:54.

Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National

:06:55.:06:58.

opponent Marine Le Pen. Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed

:06:59.:07:00.

a lawsuit over online rumours that he had a secret bank account

:07:01.:07:02.

in the Caribbean. He has strongly denied

:07:03.:07:06.

the allegations. President Trump has been celebrating

:07:07.:07:20.

at the White House after the US Representatives passed a bill

:07:21.:07:27.

billing -- bringing his pledge to come in his words, finish off

:07:28.:07:30.

ObamaCare, which offered health assurance to millions of less

:07:31.:07:31.

well-off Americans, further forward. That's a summary of the news -

:07:32.:07:34.

now back to Local Elections Welcome back. This is our live

:07:35.:08:01.

coverage of the local elections today in England, Wales and

:08:02.:08:06.

Scotland. Plenty of results to come but some firm pattern is emerging.

:08:07.:08:08.

We will talk about those in a moment. I want to go back to the

:08:09.:08:12.

remarkable story in Northumberland, this is where the Tories failed to

:08:13.:08:17.

gain overall control, they were just picked up the post because this

:08:18.:08:21.

happens, look. Jawing lots, drawing straws. The Lib Dem Leslie Rigby,

:08:22.:08:29.

the Conservative Daniel Xhaka, two recounts in South Blyth in

:08:30.:08:36.

Northumberland. They were tied so they had to draw straws. That is the

:08:37.:08:41.

way to win! They drew straws and the Lib Dem won, thus denying, and

:08:42.:08:48.

Brandon is seething, the Conservatives and overall majority

:08:49.:08:51.

in the county. Just one little element of the drama happening. It

:08:52.:08:57.

was nice to see those images, just to see how that was decided. That is

:08:58.:09:02.

an element of local democracy in action, it goes to show how strongly

:09:03.:09:09.

people feel. Although lots of people are talking about these elections in

:09:10.:09:14.

terms of what they tell us about the general elections, these are local

:09:15.:09:18.

authorities handling billions of pounds of money and delivering

:09:19.:09:23.

essential public services. First and foremost they are important

:09:24.:09:27.

exercises in local democracy. The drift from central government has

:09:28.:09:32.

been to begin think more powers, and less money, to local government. So

:09:33.:09:38.

these elections are more important than they have been recently. The

:09:39.:09:46.

big mayoral results are going away from Whitehall, they have the bigger

:09:47.:09:50.

importance. Northumberland, which I suspect most people will remember

:09:51.:09:53.

because of the straw pulling, there was an 11% swing from Labour to

:09:54.:10:00.

Tories in Northumberland, that is, according to our data, the biggest

:10:01.:10:04.

swing in any key ward councils. It is clearly a very good result for

:10:05.:10:07.

the Tories, the worst results for them was when they failed to take

:10:08.:10:13.

Cardiff, Labour holding better than expected in Wales, but nonetheless

:10:14.:10:17.

it is a very important result. Peter, nice too happy with us.

:10:18.:10:22.

Suzanne was talking about rebranding and saying the party still had a

:10:23.:10:27.

future. Let's not go there yet, let's talk about performance. When

:10:28.:10:30.

you see dozens of losses, as you have in some of these countries

:10:31.:10:35.

where you did so well in 2013, which was a very big year for you, what

:10:36.:10:42.

are you telling your supporters? The same we are saying to everyone and

:10:43.:10:44.

have said before the election started, 2013 was exceptional for

:10:45.:10:50.

Ukip, it really sparked as leading national politics, and we have led

:10:51.:10:54.

national politics in this country ever since. In this round of the

:10:55.:10:59.

elections, it was always going to be incredibly difficult and we have

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never shied away from that. The difference between Ukip and the

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other political parties is whilst they sacrifice their principles and

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policies and morals to win seats and to focus on political power at all

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costs, we are here to change the country. Even if that is that our

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own expense. We won't be standing some Westminster candidates in some

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weeks in the next few does represent seats in the next few weeks because

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we are putting the country ahead of the party. Ukip is leading the

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national agenda, we forced a Prime Minister to hold a referendum on EU

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membership that he did not want, he had to resign. That is the influence

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of Ukip, we did that with no MPs in Parliament. So is the message of

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these results that voters think your purpose is over? The message is that

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Theresa May is wearing the Emperor 's is, she's pretending to be Ukip.

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She is doing rather well. The Tory spin doctors have played a blinder,

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on the doorsteps we are hearing people saying we still want to vote

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Ukip, we still believe in them, the 12th Prime Minister says you have to

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bowled Conservative to protect real Brexit, our voters will Bullet for

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her. The spin doctors have done a fantastic job. The reality could not

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be further from the truth. As Home Office Minister Theresa May said she

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would cut immigration to tens of thousands instead of hundreds of

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thousands and failed to deliver, she will fail to deliver on Brexit as

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well. What makes you think that? She campaigned for Remain, she does not

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believe in our cause and I guarantee she will start backtracking. Let's

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watch what she does rather than taking my word for it, but Ukip has

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a huge feature both now and holding the Government to account, in this

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general election I predict that people like the candidate in

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Thurrock will be elected and start holding the feet of the Government

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to the fire, it is essential we get Ukip MPs to protect a real Brexit.

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Brandon, just a thought on Ukip's take on the Brexit process under

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Theresa May? Where his argument falls down is that Theresa May

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triggered Article 50 and said what -- and did what she said she would.

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There is a simple choice, extrapolating for two June the 8th,

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we will be choosing a party that will put into Downing Street a Prime

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Minister who will be leading the negotiations for leaving the EU. It

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is either Jeremy Corbyn Theresa May. That is the choice we have to make.

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What we have seen in Northumberland is the importance that every vote

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matters, that is why we will continue to work, as Theresa May has

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done every day open last few weeks, to make the case about why we have

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the best position and Theresa May is the best person to deliver the best

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deal for the UK. Let's get a Lib Dem boys, can we go straight to city

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Hall in Cardiff? Baroness Jenny Rand is and is there thank you for

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joining us. Your thoughts on the Lib Dem performance today? It has always

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been our intention to use these elections to start to rebuild the

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party. They were never going to be simple or straightforward elections,

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we live in turbulent times. One of the great things we have been able

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to do in these elections is to use many of our thousands and thousands

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of new members, and we have tens of thousands of them, in order to make

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them party activists, actively engaged in campaigning for our core

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messages, for the future, for the June election. Not easy elections,

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not the results we would ideally have wanted in some areas, but we

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have won seats from the other parties in some places and we are

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really pleased about that. Looking at the figures for Cardiff, if I

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may, they will, quite soon, and I wonder if you can talk us through

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the Lib Dem performance? You took 11 seats in Cardiff. By my calculation

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you lost five seats from 2012, when these elections were last conducted.

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What accounts for that given that some of your Lib Dem colleagues told

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me that parts of Cardiff were looking quite promising?

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What we found on the doorstep was that once the general election had

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been announced, the conversation we were having with people totally

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changed. They stopped talking about how the council here in Cardiff was

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run, they were not talking about bins and potholes and so on, they

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were talking instead about Theresa May, whether they were in favour of

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her or not, they were talking about Theresa May and the whole country.

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And therefore what happened was that the party politics has hardened.

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There is of course a surge in the Conservative vote but the Labour

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vote also hardened here as people who are very certainly not

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Conservatives went to them or tribal allegiance to the Labour Party. It

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became difficult as a local election campaign to cut through on that, but

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I think when we get to the general election we will find that we are

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able to have a very clear message on Brexit and we are have to roll the

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only UK National party that can give us that one clear message saying, we

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are in favour of the EU, we are in favour of staying in the single

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market, and we are in favour of giving people their voice on their

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future. So far you are down 11 seats in Wales, obviously it is early

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days, we will see what happens through the rest of the day in lots

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of these English counties as well, but are you expecting in Wales at

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least to be down or to be in positive territory? To be honest, I

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don't know any longer what to expect on anything in politics! At least

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you are honest, Jenny! LAUGHTER.

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Every day brings a new shock! And I think quite a few people would agree

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with me. But I do think that we will probably be down slightly. But it is

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important to remember these seats were last fought in 2012. We have

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been through a torrid times since then, not just in 2015 and the

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general election, but in 2016 in the assembly election. I am proud of the

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campaign we have run, a positive campaign across Wales and we do have

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successes, we have won seats of the Conservatives, of Labour, and off

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Plaid Cymru, and I think it is important that we look at where we

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won those successes and build on that for the future. But we are not

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in a really bad place, we are simply in the foothills of exercise. Good

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to talk to you, Jenny Randerson, thank you very much, outside City

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Hall in Cardiff for the Lib Dems. Thoughts, Laura?

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Interesting to hear there, something we have heard quite a few MPs who

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are now standing against say, actually, they feel there has been

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more momentum in these local elections because suddenly there was

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a general election which has made people turn to politics. A few

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people have said to me in the last couple of weeks in a way they

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wouldn't normally in local elections, they are pretty obscure,

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turnout is low, but the general election may have changed the

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backdrop, that is what Jenny has suggested have happened to the

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Liberal Democrats in Wales. A couple of tips from my sources, we talked

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earlier, looking to Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire much later in the

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day, areas where Labour really wants to hold on because important

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marginal areas for the general election, just suggestions at this

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stage that Nottinghamshire may well be heading towards Tory hands, but

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Derbyshire, in contrast, may well be, I am told, that Labour manages

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to hold on. Lots of hours to go before we get those results but just

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a couple of straws in the wind. Are you getting any intelligence on

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those, Emily? My phone has packed up, so I am in freefall! I feel for

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you, I really do! But it doesn't mean I don't have anything to say!

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With Nottinghamshire going one way, Derbyshire and other... Potentially.

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It underlines what I have been saying, we have been campaigning out

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there, and realistically while there is Bristol, and large amount of

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suburbia and countryside that would not be natural Labour hunting

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territory, for us to end up just 5000 votes behind in the west of

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England Matt is a fantastic result for Leslie and the local team, and

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if you translate that across Labour marginals in Bristol and the

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outskirts, that is a very good result for Labour, so it shows that

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it is mixed. We will see whether our colleague in Bristol agrees with

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that, straight to Bristol and join Paul bolt up who is there for us.

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Picking up from what Emily is saying, talking about the West of

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England mayoral contest, which was won by the Conservatives, what do

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you read into that and the relative performances of the party is there?

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First and foremost the Conservatives pleased to come through, I think

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they felt they were favourites for it but they were never certain.

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Having said that, when to May called the general election, it put a

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spring into their step, gave them a bit of a boost, I think they got

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more of their core vote out. As for Labour, many pundits had not

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expected them to come second but if you look back to three consecutive

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general elections, 97, 2001, 2005, in the areas that are part of the

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West of England Mayorality, Labour came second in three general

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elections in that area, so not quite the Tory heartland some people are

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portraying it as. They did better than expected but didn't win, but

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they will be looking carefully at how the votes stacked up. The Lib

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Dems had high hopes round here, it was the one mayoral contest they

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thought they had a decent chance in, third place, not too far behind, but

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did not make the final two, so disappointment for their candidate.

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Let's Hang on to the Lib Dem thought, I

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will ask you to talk more about Somerset and Gloucestershire because

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these are areas where in the past Lib Dems have had Parliamentary

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representation as well, so talk us through those and see what the

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trends are there. Absolutely, Somerset was a Lib Dem

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heartland Full Sutton long time, the place where Paddy Ashdown built up

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the party, they were expecting to go forwards, it was a council run by

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the Conservatives but with a narrow majority. The Lib Dems even

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yesterday talking about perhaps taking overall control. They did not

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just fail to take overall control, it went backwards, they lost seats

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in Somerset, are very poor result. There are always exceptions to the

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rule, the county council's Conservative leader was unseated by

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the Lib Dems, that was the one plus point, but overall a pretty poor

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picture in Somerset and in what it says about their general election

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prospects, it does not look good at all. If you go up the M5 into

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Gloucestershire, slightly different emphasis. Again, Conservative Brent

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Council, they did not have an overall majority going in but were

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far and away the largest party in the last couple of years, they

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increased their hold on the council. But in Gloucestershire's case, the

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Lib Dems stayed pretty much where they were but it was Labour who lost

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seats, from nine down to four. Bearing in mind during the early

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years of the Blair Government, Labour and the Lib Dems together

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were running Gloucestershire County Council. Labour have fallen an awful

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long way in places like Gloucester, urban areas where they used to have

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a Parliamentary seat, they now have just one county councillor

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representing the city. They were losing seats to the Conservatives

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yesterday. About Gloucestershire and Somerset, as we have seen elsewhere

:23:52.:23:54.

in the country, Ukip had a pretty bad night. They knocked the

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political establishment in the West Country four years ago picking up

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seats on the councils but they lost all of them last night.

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Good to talk to you, latest thoughts from the West of England,

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Gloucestershire and Somerset, very interesting trends that we will pick

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up on again, underlining some of the patterns we have seen elsewhere as

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well. Lots of results still to come from

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Scotland because they did not start counting in Scotland until 9am this

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morning so there are dozens of councils up and of course we are

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looking specifically Glasgow because that is where Labour has really been

:24:31.:24:33.

dominant for decades and the SNP are very hopeful of getting control of

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Glasgow. Annita McVeigh is there for us.

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Good morning, yes, it promises to be a fascinating story in Glasgow,

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right across Scotland. A number of big questions to consider, how will

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be SNP do, have we seen peak National is perhaps? Will the

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Conservatives do as well and Labour do as poorly as some polls have

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suggested, here in Glasgow for example it is thought Labour might

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lose control of the Council for the first time in 40 years. All of those

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questions wrapped up if you like in the twin forces of Brexit and

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independence, so these be the least local local elections that we have

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seen here? With me to discuss that, I have members from the SNP and

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Scottish Labour. Welcome to you both. A big disappointment for the

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SNP in the last locals not to gain control of Glasgow Council. Can you

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do it this time? I remember the count in 2012 well, it was a huge

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disappointment, I have to say from yesterday's turnout and how it felt

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in the polling stations we are cautiously optimistic. Whether we

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lead the administration as the largest party, or a majority, would

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be the icing on the cake, it would be huge for the party in our 18

:25:52.:25:56.

years of existence, having never come close to taking the

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administration of Glasgow, but it is too early to tell yet. You have to

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get every man, woman in Scottish Labour past the finishing point yet

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you have not fielded candidates in all of the possible seats, two new

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wards, six new seats created. Why haven't you done that? Is it a

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strategic error? We are standing candidates across the local

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authority in Glasgow, the reality is everyone accepts we are the underdog

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in Glasgow, if you look at the elections it is not right to compare

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like-for-like from the 2012 result, it is more reasonable to compare

:26:37.:26:38.

what happened at the general election in 2015 when the SNP got

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60% and last year when they got 53% of the vote, in this election the

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SNP have said they want a majority in Glasgow, I'm not sure how that

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will fall, we will see as the day goes on but I am proud of the

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campaign and candidate in Glasgow, we are in the fight here. Why is

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Scottish Labour the underdog, in your words? Is it because of Brexit,

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because of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership more widely? We have to

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accept politics changed in Scotland in 2014 when we saw the SNP surge

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after the referendum is independent -- independence referendum. It is an

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uncomfortable place for the Labour Party to be, we talk about

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solidarity, equality, fairness, hope for our politics but our politics at

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the moment is consumed with anger and division, that is a challenge

:27:27.:27:30.

for the Labour Party but in Glasgow we have put forward a positive

:27:31.:27:33.

message and a plan to move Glasgow Boreham Wood, we believe we have

:27:34.:27:37.

transformed Glasgow in the last few years. This building shows the

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amazing transformation Labour has made because Labour decisions in the

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city, that is the policy plan, not talking endlessly about another

:27:48.:27:50.

divisive referendum. On the doorsteps I'm sure people have been

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concerned about local issues but have they been equally concerned

:27:54.:27:58.

about Brexit and independence? The permutations would make your head

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spin, Brexit, independence, local issues as well as many other issues

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thrown in the mix. But our voters and supporters, I can only speak for

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SNP supporters, they really want to change in Glasgow, this has been a

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Labour run council for decades and decades, they are sick and tired of

:28:17.:28:20.

the decisions made at Council level so they want change. Change was our

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key message and let's see if have responded to that. Politicians all

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put a spin on their own results, it would be a huge result for the SNP

:28:30.:28:34.

in Glasgow if we were the lead party in the Administration. If you don't

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emerge as the largest party here and get an overall majority, you may

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emerge as the largest party but not get the majority to take overall

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control, I beg your pardon, to take control of the Council, who would

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you go into coalition with? We would look to the administration, as we

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have said, we have had a good relationship with the Green Party, a

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lot of our politics is the same, left of centre, focusing on

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environmental issues, but similarly with many green counters in terms of

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the referendum as well, but I am focused here, we want to get the

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majority, we want to be over the line. If not, there are other

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permutations, we could lead as a minority administration without

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going into coalition. What we have said is we would not enter any

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coalition with the Conservatives. If Labour does poorly in these

:29:28.:29:30.

elections, what is next for the party here in Scotland and

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nationally? We have to continue to fight for our values, Labour values

:29:36.:29:38.

are more important now than ever before but we have seen that anger

:29:39.:29:41.

and division and have to turn our focus to the general election on the

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8th of June and said this country faces a clear choice, if you want to

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carry on divisive politics, Tory versus SNP, but if you want to move

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on from that and change the lives of people, when, women, children across

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the United Kingdom, we need to get rid of the Tory Government and get a

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Labour Government. Voting SNP does not do that. Thank you both so much

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for your time today. So of course lots of questions about what the

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eventual results here today will mean for the general election on the

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8th of June and let me tell you as far as Glasgow is concerned, 43 is

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the magic number, if the SNP can get 43 men and women elected towards

:30:22.:30:26.

here then they will have overall control of Glasgow Council, removing

:30:27.:30:29.

that controlled from Labour, which has held control for 40 years. And

:30:30.:30:36.

for Labour, just a single one of the men and women standing for Scottish

:30:37.:30:40.

Labour does not get elected today Ben debuts that overall control. A

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fascinating story to unfold here. Many thanks to you and your guests

:30:43.:30:53.

in Glasgow. Laura, the focus is clearly on Glasgow because it is

:30:54.:30:58.

such a big, symbolic contest. But wait you think to whether

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Conservatives had Parliamentary representation in the past in

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Scotland, there are other interesting tests? More tellingly

:31:07.:31:09.

for the general election, and there is not a direct read across, the

:31:10.:31:13.

more telling barometers for the general election will be whether the

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Tories can start nibbling back more seats in the Borders, Perthshire,

:31:19.:31:29.

parts of Scotland where, years ago, they used to have a relatively

:31:30.:31:31.

decent level of representation which fell away quite dramatically, but

:31:32.:31:33.

now Theresa May and Ruth Davidson, the relatively popular Scottish Tory

:31:34.:31:36.

leader, they are very hopeful of starting to take seats back. Theresa

:31:37.:31:40.

May has already been on the stump in Scotland. Tory leaders in relatively

:31:41.:31:44.

recent history would not have dream. Spending much time there. Emily, I

:31:45.:31:49.

am very concerned about your iPhone. Is it working? I don't know. Leg

:31:50.:31:57.

raid has an apple on it. It only has about 5% battery. The very good news

:31:58.:32:02.

is you will not be getting the spin messages from Labour HQ so you will

:32:03.:32:07.

have $2 what you think. If it was switched on is working, you would

:32:08.:32:09.

know Doncaster has produce good news.

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This was one of the mayoral contests in a single authority, not a big,

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multi-authority. Russ Jones has been re-elected for Labour. -- Ros Jones

:32:25.:32:35.

has been re-elected. The turnout was quite low, 29%. That is something we

:32:36.:32:41.

might want to talk about later to do with the profile of these jobs and

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to what extent they have made an impact on local voters, in many

:32:47.:32:52.

cases they are powerful positions. If I can bring up the difference on

:32:53.:32:54.

the last contest. Quite a significant increase for the

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Tories but not enough to win the seat.

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We have a swing in Doncaster, 0.8% from the Labour to the

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Conservatives. There was an independent there before. Ros Jones

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has been re-elected, the Conservatives in second place.

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A quick word on Doncaster, Emily? Boom.

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I saw an interesting quote from Russ Jones earlier, I hope I'm not being

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unfair, this is all to do with the fact that we as Labour and Doncaster

:33:42.:33:46.

have done a good job, locally -- I saw an interesting quote from Ros

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Jones. Was clear about a local campaign. Is that fair? This is what

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local elections are meant to be about, we have strong local

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candidates putting out strong local messages, of course that is what

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local council elections will be about. It is confused when a general

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election is called the local election, it is difficult to know if

:34:12.:34:15.

people are voting nationally or locally. As we heard from the Lib

:34:16.:34:21.

Dem for Wales, the Labour votes in Wales has solidified. Her

:34:22.:34:23.

interpretation is that in the last couple of weeks and people have been

:34:24.:34:27.

thinking, you know, if there is going to be a conservative or Labour

:34:28.:34:33.

government, we're not going anywhere other than Labour. But listen, we

:34:34.:34:40.

have to work really hard, we have a few weeks left before the general

:34:41.:34:42.

election and we had to make sure that people understand there is a

:34:43.:34:47.

choice, it does not have to be this way, it does not have to be a

:34:48.:34:51.

Conservative Government, Labour is the alternative, but we will not be

:34:52.:34:55.

in government if we do not get the vote out and get people to votes

:34:56.:35:01.

Labour. On the basis of the results elsewhere in England and parts of

:35:02.:35:05.

Wales, where does that leave you in terms of confidence looking ahead in

:35:06.:35:09.

the next few weeks? It is all to fight for. We have a very large

:35:10.:35:13.

membership, we have to make sure people are roads to people and

:35:14.:35:20.

explaining -- people are out talking to people and we need to think

:35:21.:35:23.

carefully about the policies and how we can make Britain better, that is

:35:24.:35:28.

what politics ought to be about. I must break now to join Joanna

:35:29.:35:30.

Gosling again for the latest news. The Conservatives have made big

:35:31.:35:33.

gains in the council elections in England and Wales,

:35:34.:35:37.

recording their best Many of the votes cast

:35:38.:35:38.

yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales are still to be

:35:39.:35:41.

counted, but Labour have suffered losses and Ukip have failed

:35:42.:35:44.

to win a single seat. The Conservatives have been

:35:45.:35:47.

celebrating a series of victories Initial results show the Tories

:35:48.:35:49.

taking control of five local councils and winning more council

:35:50.:35:53.

seats than any other party. The Tories also celebrated victory

:35:54.:35:57.

in the West of England, where the Conservative Tim Bowles

:35:58.:35:59.

was elected to the newly created However, senior members

:36:00.:36:02.

of the Conservative Party are downplaying the significance

:36:03.:36:07.

of that victory, saying many votes I think the early results

:36:08.:36:11.

are encouraging, but they are early We have seen less than a quarter

:36:12.:36:16.

of the vote actually counted The turnout in local elections,

:36:17.:36:20.

of course, is much, much It is wrong to predict

:36:21.:36:25.

what will happen We still have a general

:36:26.:36:32.

election to campaign for and to win after last night,

:36:33.:36:36.

but encouraging signs. Elsewhere Labour have

:36:37.:36:41.

lost three councils, Despite the losses in Wales,

:36:42.:36:43.

Labour did hold Cardiff Council. The party was also victorious

:36:44.:36:50.

in Doncaster, where its candidate Ros Jones, the Labour mayor

:36:51.:36:52.

was re-elected, securing Labour has defended

:36:53.:36:54.

its performance so far. The Party's Shadow Chancellor,

:36:55.:36:59.

John McDonnell, told people to wait for results elsewhere to come

:37:00.:37:01.

in before judging the If you look at where we have really

:37:02.:37:13.

campaigned hard in terms of Wales in particular, Jeremy Corbyn was down

:37:14.:37:16.

in Cardiff, there has been a lot of work on the ground with a membership

:37:17.:37:20.

knocking on doors, we have defied all predictions on the losses. Where

:37:21.:37:25.

we have lost in south Wales, what is interesting, it has not been to the

:37:26.:37:29.

Tories in terms of what has happened in Merthyr Tydfil and Blaenau Gwent,

:37:30.:37:34.

they have returned to independents, which they were before 2012. It is

:37:35.:37:39.

difficult to extrapolate from local government results anyway.

:37:40.:37:42.

It's been a disappointing night for Ukip.

:37:43.:37:43.

The party failed to win any of the seats it contested -

:37:44.:37:46.

losing 39 previously held council seats.

:37:47.:37:48.

-- losing 42 previously helps... Held council seats.

:37:49.:37:53.

Ukip says it still has sitting councillors in the country,

:37:54.:37:56.

although those positions were not up for election this time.

:37:57.:37:58.

It's been a night of mixed results for the Liberal Democrats.

:37:59.:38:01.

A short time ago the Party had lost 28 council seats.

:38:02.:38:03.

The Lib Dems also failed to retake Somerset Council

:38:04.:38:07.

from the Conservatives, although the Tory leader John Osman

:38:08.:38:09.

was ousted by Lib Dem former MP Tessa Munt.

:38:10.:38:14.

Despite the overall picture of the Conservatives performing well, some

:38:15.:38:19.

electro battles have been very close indeed. The winner of the seat in

:38:20.:38:23.

Northumberland county council was decided by drawing straws after two

:38:24.:38:27.

candidates received the same number of votes. Here is the moment that

:38:28.:38:31.

the Lib Dem candidate selected a longer stroll to claim the seat.

:38:32.:38:37.

That meant the Conservatives were denied overall control of the

:38:38.:38:38.

council. The final day of campaigning has

:38:39.:38:39.

begun in the French presidential election before voting takes

:38:40.:38:42.

place on Sunday. Polls show that the centrist,

:38:43.:38:44.

Emmanuel Macron, maintains a clear lead over the far right candidate

:38:45.:38:46.

Marine Le Pen. Our correspondent Karin Giannone

:38:47.:38:48.

is in Paris with the latest. Welcome to a busy Friday in Central

:38:49.:39:02.

Paris. It is anything but normal because we are into the final hours

:39:03.:39:07.

of the 20 17th residential election campaign. Come midnight French time,

:39:08.:39:11.

the candidates must fall silent and campaigning will be over before the

:39:12.:39:17.

vote on Sunday. It has been an incredible campaign so far,

:39:18.:39:20.

extraordinary and particularly bad tempered. The final debate on

:39:21.:39:26.

Wednesday was one of the most heated that a French presidential election

:39:27.:39:31.

has ever seen. It is not an Marine Le Pen any favours, Emmanuel Macron

:39:32.:39:37.

has increased his lead in the polls to 62% against her 38%. Let's give

:39:38.:39:41.

you a flavour of what the papers make into Friday, the final day.

:39:42.:39:47.

The financial newspaper talks about Macron and Le Pen, a battle against

:39:48.:39:51.

extremism and says that Emmanuel Macron is the favourite going into

:39:52.:39:56.

the second round. They call it an extraordinary, unprecedented

:39:57.:39:59.

election campaign. Le Figaro calls Marine Le Pen's

:40:00.:40:04.

campaign is shipwrecked, they talk about Macron being the arch

:40:05.:40:10.

favourite. Marine Le Pen always says the mainstream media are against her

:40:11.:40:13.

and this would be typical of their stunts. They call her the big loser

:40:14.:40:20.

of the televised debate. Le Monde, another daily, Marine Le

:40:21.:40:25.

Pen, it talks about the strategy of the live. Inside Le Monde they have

:40:26.:40:32.

19 fact that the same Marine Le Pen said in the presidential debate --

:40:33.:40:35.

19 fact that they say Marine Le Pen said. They say she was lying in all

:40:36.:40:39.

maintain cases. Let's show you a left-wing

:40:40.:40:43.

newspaper, that is Jean-Marie Le Pen, Marine Le Pen's father and the

:40:44.:40:49.

founder of the National front. They say she has not changed, forcing

:40:50.:40:52.

what Marine Le Pen has always wanted to move on from a future image

:40:53.:40:57.

without her father's shadow, they say it is effectively the same Le

:40:58.:41:03.

Pen. It is not a dead cert for a Emmanuel Macron, 20% of voters are

:41:04.:41:07.

undecided so there is plenty to pay for. -- play for.

:41:08.:41:13.

The Government is set to publish draft plans to tackle air pollution

:41:14.:41:16.

following a legal battle with environmental campaigners.

:41:17.:41:17.

The measures are expected to include a scheme to encourage

:41:18.:41:20.

drivers of older diesels to scrap their cars.

:41:21.:41:21.

And also the removal of speed bumps to cut pollution caused by cars

:41:22.:41:24.

braking and accelerating. A British man has died

:41:25.:41:27.

while skydiving in Thailand. It happened in the Thai

:41:28.:41:29.

resort town of Pattaya. 69-year-old James McConnell -

:41:30.:41:31.

an experienced skydiver - leapt from a plane and landed

:41:32.:41:33.

in a nearby reservoir missing the airstrip

:41:34.:41:35.

at the Thai Sky Adventures airbase. This picture is from a previous

:41:36.:41:37.

jump. His son has posted a message

:41:38.:41:39.

on social media saying That's a summary of the news -

:41:40.:41:42.

now back to Local Elections Welcome back to live coverage of the

:41:43.:42:10.

local election results in England, Wales and Scotland. We have spoken

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about some of the results already and I want to bring you another, one

:42:14.:42:19.

of the big English counties. Let's look at Essex, this is a county the

:42:20.:42:23.

Conservatives have held, relatively comfortably.

:42:24.:42:29.

A huge majority of 37. You may be wondering why in Essex we do not

:42:30.:42:40.

have Ukip on the graph. The reason is they have actually lost all their

:42:41.:42:44.

seats there and they are not in the first six. That is the history of

:42:45.:42:49.

what is going on, we will ask Peter about that in a second, in Essex, of

:42:50.:42:54.

all places, where they did so well in 2013. 14 games to the

:42:55.:42:56.

Conservatives. Sticking with that, I want to go to

:42:57.:43:10.

my colleague Andrew Sinclair in Norfolk, Great Yarmouth. He can talk

:43:11.:43:16.

to us well the count is going on where you are, talk to us about

:43:17.:43:19.

Essex and what you see in that result?

:43:20.:43:28.

(INAUDIBLE) Stop a second, Andrew, I was hoping

:43:29.:43:32.

we would get your sound but I don't think we have it, do we?

:43:33.:43:39.

Are we likely to get Andrew back? Can you hear me OK now? Andrew, talk

:43:40.:43:45.

us through that ethics result? Yes, I was just about to say that

:43:46.:43:50.

four years ago you could really made a name for themselves both across

:43:51.:43:53.

East Anglia but particularly in Norfolk, they came from nowhere to

:43:54.:43:58.

win seats, a notable number, right across East Anglia. It seems as if

:43:59.:44:06.

we are now seeing the Ukip vote disintegrating before our eyes. In

:44:07.:44:09.

the last few seconds the Tories have taken a seat from Ukip. Ukip, as you

:44:10.:44:17.

said, were completely wiped out in Essex last night. The early

:44:18.:44:21.

indications from Norfolk and Suffolk are that Ukip will do very badly. I

:44:22.:44:26.

was speaking to a senior Ukip figure is short while ago as he looked at

:44:27.:44:30.

the boats coming out of the boxes and he said, I could try to put a

:44:31.:44:34.

positive spin on this but I can see what is before my eyes -- as he

:44:35.:44:38.

looked up the votes coming out of the boxes. We have had two results

:44:39.:44:52.

declared so far, you could have lost both seats, want to Labour, want to

:44:53.:44:54.

the Conservatives. It does not look good for them, if they can't win

:44:55.:44:57.

seats in their Great Yarmouth stronghold in Norfolk, I think they

:44:58.:44:59.

will do badly. Labour lost seats in Essex, they are expecting a bad time

:45:00.:45:03.

in Norfolk but as I just said, they have taken a seat from Ukip this

:45:04.:45:07.

morning. If Brandon Lewis is with you he might want to know that the

:45:08.:45:11.

person who took the seat for Labour is the candidate standing against

:45:12.:45:14.

him in the general election. Very interesting. Looking ahead five

:45:15.:45:20.

weeks, I know this is a risky game, but give us a sense of where you

:45:21.:45:24.

think these patterns of voting are shifting?

:45:25.:45:30.

One has to put in the caveat that this isn't local election with low

:45:31.:45:37.

turnout, and many people vote differently in local elections to

:45:38.:45:39.

general elections but the feeling I have picked up on the ground, begin

:45:40.:45:44.

to be reflected in results in East Anglia, is that Ukip are in serious

:45:45.:45:48.

trouble and that, for Ukip, is very serious because they have seen

:45:49.:45:51.

Anglia as their stronghold of support, it is where they always

:45:52.:45:57.

could be sure of is very big, strong following. East Anglia recorded a

:45:58.:46:01.

very large Leave vote in the referendum last year, so Ukip do

:46:02.:46:07.

seem to be doing very badly at the moment and that does not look good

:46:08.:46:11.

for them as we go into the general election campaigns. No sign either,

:46:12.:46:15.

though, of a Lib Dem revival, not showing at all in Great Yarmouth, no

:46:16.:46:19.

real surprise, they have never done particularly well here, but they did

:46:20.:46:24.

not do very well in Essex last night either.

:46:25.:46:26.

Good to talk to you, we will be back to you when we get some more results

:46:27.:46:29.

from Norfolk, thank you for taking us through the Essex results.

:46:30.:46:33.

Lots of interest in the studio. Laura? It is interesting what we

:46:34.:46:39.

have seen since the referendum with Ukip looking for a new identity.

:46:40.:46:44.

They came up with what were controversial ideas at the start of

:46:45.:46:48.

this general election campaign, such as banning the burqa. Steven Woolfe

:46:49.:46:53.

has just told our colleagues on 5 Live that darker forces, to use his

:46:54.:46:57.

phrase, who pushed policies like banning the burqa are to blame the

:46:58.:47:02.

big Ukip meltdown. Do you think he is right? Steven Woolfe is one of

:47:03.:47:06.

the chaps who got elected as Ukip and then decided to join the

:47:07.:47:08.

Conservative Party so I have very little to say about him, to be

:47:09.:47:16.

frank. But if the right? No, Ukip policies are incredibly consistent,

:47:17.:47:18.

we don't go charging around like the old parties looking at polling and

:47:19.:47:25.

changing our policies based on it. We have a consistent policy. On the

:47:26.:47:29.

burqa, we have always said the law should apply equally to everyone, if

:47:30.:47:33.

I cannot walk into a bank wearing a crash helmet, why should anyone else

:47:34.:47:37.

be able to wear a face covering, no matter their religion? This country

:47:38.:47:41.

has always been tolerant and has always had one rule for all, that is

:47:42.:47:45.

what Ukip is standing up for. In terms of national trends, the big

:47:46.:47:47.

story that does not seem to be being discussed is about the Lib Dem

:47:48.:48:11.

leadership. Look at what the Lib Dem leader campaigned his leadership on,

:48:12.:48:14.

it was all about his track record as a campaigner, all about how he will

:48:15.:48:17.

put the Liberal Democrats back on the map and wind local Government

:48:18.:48:19.

elections with his pro-EU stance, and the fact is his entire mandate

:48:20.:48:21.

as leader of the Liberal Democrats has just collapsed... It is a brave

:48:22.:48:24.

attempt to switch attention to the Lib Dems! We will talk, of course,

:48:25.:48:27.

we spoke to Jenny earlier and will speak to more Lib Dems later when

:48:28.:48:29.

they are here to defend themselves. Looking at Essex, you have nothing

:48:30.:48:32.

left in terms of county councillors there, what is that down to? Why are

:48:33.:48:35.

voters deserted you? It is very clear, we have a Prime Minister who

:48:36.:48:38.

has painted herself in Ukip colours, who has said that in order to do

:48:39.:48:42.

what Ukip is here to achieve, you have to vote Conservative. When they

:48:43.:48:46.

announce the Parliamentary election, going against everything the fixed

:48:47.:48:49.

parliamentary act was made to protect the country from, she has

:48:50.:48:54.

rode roughshod over that, bringing forward a cynical ploy to trick

:48:55.:48:58.

people into voting Conservative. Let's be clear, the Prime Minister

:48:59.:49:02.

is the puppet of Ukip and its agenda, that is absolutely what this

:49:03.:49:07.

election is playing out. That is quite something to say, that Theresa

:49:08.:49:12.

May is a puppet of Ukip, Brendan? I would not think that has any

:49:13.:49:15.

credibility with anyone who hears that. Theresa May is very much a

:49:16.:49:19.

strong, stable person in her own right...

:49:20.:49:23.

LAUGHTER. It is 10:49am, we got through nearly

:49:24.:49:27.

120 minutes on air before that came out, well done! Theresa May gables

:49:28.:49:36.

the biggest U-turn in history, she is now pro-Brexit! This is somebody

:49:37.:49:41.

who has a track record of delivering in top circumstances, it is who we

:49:42.:49:47.

want at the negotiating table in Europe. Let's pause for a second, we

:49:48.:49:51.

have been joined by John Curtice again. It has been at least 1.5

:49:52.:49:57.

hours since we spoke, we were talking about Ukip initially, and

:49:58.:50:01.

note that we have got here from you and your team saying tentative signs

:50:02.:50:05.

that the increase in Conservative support is greater in places where

:50:06.:50:09.

there was a high Leave vote in the referendum in 2016, tell us more

:50:10.:50:14.

about that? Yes, there is, the truth is it looks as though the

:50:15.:50:18.

Conservative vote has increased more heavily in places where the Leave

:50:19.:50:23.

vote was strongest back in June last year. It has risen rather less where

:50:24.:50:33.

it went out the least. The opinion polls having Remain voters switching

:50:34.:50:40.

to the Conservatives, the second thing to bear in mind is the section

:50:41.:50:44.

of England in which we had elections yesterday was the section of England

:50:45.:50:48.

most likely to vote Leave and I think it would therefore be even

:50:49.:50:51.

more interesting now to look to see what happens in those mayoral

:50:52.:50:56.

contests which are taking place in which more urban, rather more

:50:57.:51:01.

pro-stay-macro places to see whether that is replicated. I want to draw

:51:02.:51:06.

your attention to something else more important, we have the first

:51:07.:51:11.

evidence from Scotland, Scotland is going to be a difficult story to

:51:12.:51:15.

follow because as most of the councils are fighting seats on new

:51:16.:51:18.

ward boundaries, so it will be a long time before we get voting

:51:19.:51:22.

figures, however the Scottish Borders, an area the Conservatives

:51:23.:51:26.

are hoping to take a Parliamentary seat from the SNP, is one of the few

:51:27.:51:32.

places where the wards this time I have the same as last time and what

:51:33.:51:35.

we find? The Conservative vote, the share of the first preference vote

:51:36.:51:38.

under the proportional representation system, is up by 19

:51:39.:51:44.

points compared with 2012. That performance is consistent with the

:51:45.:51:48.

kinds of figures of around 30% vote across Scotland as a whole in recent

:51:49.:51:53.

opinion polls. Conversely, the SNP vote is only up by three points,

:51:54.:51:57.

which I think they would certainly hope they will do better than that

:51:58.:52:00.

in other parts of Scotland. The first sign that perhaps those double

:52:01.:52:06.

in Scotland there is a Conservative revival and maybe it is going to

:52:07.:52:09.

tell in places where it could make a difference on June the 8th. One

:52:10.:52:12.

other thing to say about that, there was not much of a Labour vote in

:52:13.:52:17.

this ward in the first place but they still managed to go down by

:52:18.:52:21.

five percentage points. That is intriguing, John. The hold

:52:22.:52:25.

that thought on Scotland for a moment, we expect most of the

:52:26.:52:28.

results to come through this afternoon and towards tea-time, so

:52:29.:52:32.

with what you said in mind, we have concentrated on Glasgow because of

:52:33.:52:34.

the battle between the SNP and Labour, which are the ones should we

:52:35.:52:39.

now be looking out for? You mentioned the Scottish Borders,

:52:40.:52:51.

which areas will be most telling? As far as the English border where

:52:52.:53:03.

support tends to be low. Perth, Kinross, Aberdeenshire, places where

:53:04.:53:06.

the SNP have historically been strong but in last year's Scottish

:53:07.:53:11.

parliament election the Conservatives did relatively well,

:53:12.:53:14.

so as far as the Conservative SNP battle is concerned, that is where

:53:15.:53:18.

we are focused, that is where the Tories' hopes of getting seats in

:53:19.:53:25.

July. Another completely different battle between the SNP and Labour, I

:53:26.:53:31.

certainly wouldn't presume that we can infer anything about Glasgow

:53:32.:53:34.

from what happened in the Scottish Borders and we will need to wait

:53:35.:53:38.

much longer before we get some evidence as to whether the SNP is

:53:39.:53:42.

advancing relatively strongly in what we used to call red Clydeside

:53:43.:53:48.

but these days seems to be rather more like nationalist Clydeside. One

:53:49.:53:52.

final point, we have had quite a debate in the studio about the

:53:53.:53:56.

relative areas of Labour's performance, just a judgment on how

:53:57.:54:01.

Labour is doing generally? The truth is, if one takes the Labour Party's

:54:02.:54:06.

objective on June the 8th to be elected as the Government and to

:54:07.:54:10.

replace the Conservative Party in office, the evidence at these local

:54:11.:54:14.

elections is that it is an awful long way away from that objective,

:54:15.:54:16.

and that indeed if the general election had

:54:17.:54:33.

been held yesterday the Labour Party would have suffered an even bigger

:54:34.:54:36.

defeat than it did in 2015, so from that point of view this is not good

:54:37.:54:39.

news for the Labour Party. But, more results to come, we will see whether

:54:40.:54:42.

or not the pattern is different in more urban parts of England, but the

:54:43.:54:45.

truth if it is not encouraging for existing Labour MPs. Labour might

:54:46.:54:47.

still hope to narrow the Tory lead but winning this election, well,

:54:48.:54:50.

shall we say it would be quite a stupendous performance if Labour win

:54:51.:54:52.

the general election from the baseline that these local election

:54:53.:54:54.

results seem to be pointing to. John, we will talk again later. John

:54:55.:55:00.

mentioned the big battle in Glasgow between the SNP and Labour, the

:55:01.:55:05.

SNP's sister party in Wales is Plaid Cymru, and Leanne Wood, the leader,

:55:06.:55:09.

is in the Rhondda for us. Bore da, Leanne, thank you for joining us.

:55:10.:55:18.

Bore da, Hugh Labour holds onto Cardiff, Newport, and Swansea, the

:55:19.:55:25.

Plaid Cymru has not managed to put the brakes on their performance in

:55:26.:55:28.

those areas, what is your explanation for that? I haven't got

:55:29.:55:35.

an idea of the whole picture yet, results are still coming out for

:55:36.:55:39.

Wales but it looks as though Plaid Cymru has made breakthroughs in new

:55:40.:55:44.

ground, I'm delighted to be able to report to you that Darren Macey has

:55:45.:55:50.

just taken a seat in the Rhondda which we have never held before, we

:55:51.:55:58.

have held all but two in the Rhondda but that is why we have never held

:55:59.:56:02.

and we have just taken new ground in Denbighshire on top of gains in

:56:03.:56:07.

Bridgend, in Port Talbot, and other places throughout the country. We

:56:08.:56:15.

are looking set to do well as well as holding onto control in Kerry did

:56:16.:56:19.

young, so it is a good picture for us today in Plaid Cymru, I am here

:56:20.:56:23.

to talk about Plaid Cymru, not other parties. If you want to comment on

:56:24.:56:27.

Labour's woes, I suggest you speak to them. I certainly will, but given

:56:28.:56:33.

you don't have the overall picture, B give you the figures. So far in

:56:34.:56:39.

Wales, Labour have lost 75 councillors, the Independents have

:56:40.:56:42.

gained 21, the Tories have gained 50, Plaid Cymru have gained 14, the

:56:43.:56:47.

Lib Dems have lost nine, the Greens have gained one. 15 games now, we

:56:48.:56:52.

have just put it in, to Plaid Cymru, is that the level of performance you

:56:53.:56:59.

are satisfied with? Well, we still have a lot of results to come

:57:00.:57:02.

through yet, we are in the middle of account here in the Rhondda, some

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interesting looking piles of votes here, there are results expected in

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Carmarthenshire and Gwyneth, we are expecting some more surprises in

:57:18.:57:20.

areas that we have never held ground in before. So far things are looking

:57:21.:57:26.

good for Plaid Cymru, and it puts us in a good position to contest the UK

:57:27.:57:32.

election on June the 8th, especially in places like this in the Rhondda

:57:33.:57:36.

and seats that we will be looking to take, like Ynys Mon. Leanne Wood,

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good to talk to you from the Rhondda, thank you for joining us

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today. The Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood.

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Going back to Scotland, Labour and Tory sources telling me that in

:57:52.:57:55.

Scotland the Tory vote share is up very significantly, suggested by

:57:56.:57:58.

Tory sources that they are doing well in what would normally be

:57:59.:58:02.

considered no-go areas for them like Midlothian, that part of the Central

:58:03.:58:06.

belt between Edinburgh and Glasgow that for decades has been Labour

:58:07.:58:10.

held, the SNP surge the last couple of years, the Tories picking up

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there as well. We will be back with the panel in a

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while. Time for us to take a quick break and we are going to get the

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latest now on the weather, with Phil.

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The weather not only for Wales but across the British Isles, and I take

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you immediately to a fine line of washing in Tadcaster, that is to

:58:33.:58:36.

remind me to tell you later how windy it is across the Pennines

:58:37.:58:40.

area. From the south, you can make other uses of a fairly strong wind

:58:41.:58:44.

affecting some of the channel coast at the moment. Cloudy in painting

:58:45.:58:49.

but across Lyme Bay I have seen superb pictures from the weather

:58:50.:58:52.

Watchers this morning of just how glorious the weather is in the area

:58:53.:58:54.

around about Portland. It is not just there,

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thanks to the area of high pressure which has been a familiar friend in

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recent days, not a great deal of change at the moment in the weather

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Overall. We still have a noticeable breeze coming in off a chilly North

:59:20.:59:22.

Sea so if you are spending any time in the Eastern counties of Scotland

:59:23.:59:25.

and England, you will know about the suppressed temperatures, despite the

:59:26.:59:27.

glorious weather that goes with it. The western side of Scotland, the

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West of Northern Ireland, out towards the Lancashire coast, we

:59:30.:59:32.

could be looking at 16, 17, 18, possibly 19 degrees. Further south,

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though I showed you the grim picture in Paignton, there is a breeze, more

:59:35.:59:38.

of a chance today of staying dry and seeing some sunshine, which has not

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been that prevalent across the South. It could well be that we will

:59:42.:59:53.

see some rain from the weather front getting into the very far

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south-west, towards the Channel Islands, certainly into the Isles of

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Scilly, as we go through the evening. Overnight, I think a game

:59:58.:59:59.

there is a touch of frost across Scotland as we go through the first

:00:00.:00:02.

part of the night so watch out for that as well. Into Saturday, still

:00:03.:00:05.

have the weather front close by to the far south-west but if you are

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looking for rain more widely across central and southern parts of

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England, having had such a dry spell, it is probably not a feature

:00:13.:00:16.

for you. Further north, essentially dry, fair amount of cloud, through

:00:17.:00:26.

Wales and the Midlands may a spot of rain first up, and again the onshore

:00:27.:00:29.

breeze kills the feel of the day across eastern shores. To complete

:00:30.:00:31.

the weekend, Saturday into Sunday, a change of wind direction but still

:00:32.:00:36.

cool, coming in from the north and north-east, said the eastern coast

:00:37.:00:40.

again perhaps a bit more cloud than you have seen of late across

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Scotland, towards the West is where you see the best of the temperatures

:00:43.:00:46.

and still but rather chilly feel in the East.

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It's 11 o'clock, and you're watching our special live

:01:00.:01:03.

coverage of the local elections in England, Wales and Scotland.

:01:04.:01:07.

Thousands of councillors being elected overnight and today,

:01:08.:01:12.

responsible for delivering your essential public services - and all

:01:13.:01:18.

of this happening, unusually, during a general election campaign.

:01:19.:01:27.

That has cast a shadow over these contests.

:01:28.:01:29.

We'll have results as they're declared, and we'll be getting

:01:30.:01:32.

reaction from the parties to what's going on.

:01:33.:01:35.

It's been a very good night for the Conservatives

:01:36.:01:37.

They've taken control of the councils in Gloucestershire,

:01:38.:01:41.

Lincolnshire, Warwickshire and Monmouthshire.

:01:42.:01:47.

They've also won the West of England Mayoral contest.

:01:48.:01:53.

And it looks at this early stage that they're heading for their best

:01:54.:01:56.

set of local elections for a decade or more.

:01:57.:01:59.

It has been a disappointing night the Labour.

:02:00.:02:01.

They're going backwards in England, and in Wales they've lost

:02:02.:02:03.

overall control of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil, two councils

:02:04.:02:05.

But they have held on to their key Welsh strongholds of Cardiff,

:02:06.:02:09.

They've also won the mayoral contest in Doncaster.

:02:10.:02:17.

And it has been a pretty bad night for Ukip.

:02:18.:02:20.

And the party has been wiped out on councils like Lincolnshire,

:02:21.:02:26.

Their vote share is down dramatically, most of it

:02:27.:02:29.

-- we will be live in Birmingham to look at the West Midlands metro may

:02:30.:02:48.

contest. Expected to be a close contest between the Conservatives

:02:49.:02:53.

and Labour. That count will go on for quite some time yet. And we will

:02:54.:02:58.

be live in Glasgow as well, when the counting is on the way. -- where.

:02:59.:03:03.

The SNP are trying to take the City Council from Labour.

:03:04.:03:05.

We'll be covering the results from Scotland as they come in.

:03:06.:03:21.

In a moment, more from our guests, and we have some new members of the

:03:22.:03:26.

panel. I will give them a proper introduction. Laura is still with

:03:27.:03:32.

me. Before we do any of that, let's look at the latest numbers that we

:03:33.:03:37.

have. This is very important. The numbers have been changing a little.

:03:38.:03:42.

We had a huge surge overnight and now we are in a bit of a lull before

:03:43.:03:45.

we get more results in the afternoon. So far, 170 games for the

:03:46.:03:53.

Tories. -- gains. Ukip have not held any seeds so far.

:03:54.:04:09.

12 seats to the Green Party. That is the picture. That is the picture in

:04:10.:04:15.

terms of councillors. In a short while we will look at more specific

:04:16.:04:20.

areas. We will have a full round-up. It is a good moment to join Joanna

:04:21.:04:24.

further news and the other news as well.

:04:25.:04:25.

The Conservatives have made big gains in the local

:04:26.:04:28.

elections in England and Wales, recording their best

:04:29.:04:31.

Many votes are still to be counted, but the Tories have gained

:04:32.:04:38.

control of five councils, while Labour have lost three.

:04:39.:04:42.

Ukip have so far failed to win a single seat they were defending.

:04:43.:04:45.

With the story so far, here's our political

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It is the Conservatives with the biggest cheers. They won control of

:04:48.:05:03.

Worcestershire, Warwickshire, Gloucestershire and the Isle of

:05:04.:05:04.

Wight. Charles Bowles is duly elected

:05:05.:05:06.

as the West of England Mayor. In the West of England the

:05:07.:05:14.

Conservative candidate made history by becoming a regional mayor. In

:05:15.:05:19.

Cumbria, the Tories have replaced Labour as the largest party. But

:05:20.:05:23.

senior Conservatives are playing down expectations ahead of the

:05:24.:05:24.

general election. The turnout in local

:05:25.:05:26.

elections, of course, is much, much lower

:05:27.:05:28.

than a general election. It is wrong to predict

:05:29.:05:29.

what will happen on June the 8th.

:05:30.:05:32.

We have a general election to campaign

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for and to win after The Tories are celebrating in Essex

:05:34.:05:47.

as well, where this time around voters turned their back on Ukip. In

:05:48.:05:53.

Lincolnshire, where the Ukip leader, Paul Nuttall, will fight for a

:05:54.:05:56.

Westminster seat next month, the party was wiped out. With no win so

:05:57.:06:01.

far, the Ukip future is in question. I have been Ukip for four years. The

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amount of times I have heard a Ukip is finished, if I had a pound for

:06:08.:06:11.

everyone, I would probably quite a bit woman. It is not over until it

:06:12.:06:15.

is over. And despite these pretty poor election results so far, it is

:06:16.:06:21.

not over. There was positive news for Labour.

:06:22.:06:22.

In Doncaster, they held onto the elected mayor's job, but the

:06:23.:06:25.

party has lost scores of seats in swing areas.

:06:26.:06:27.

These counties are the Tories' strongholds.

:06:28.:06:29.

It was going to be a tough night for Labour, and we're in

:06:30.:06:32.

the middle of the general election campaign.

:06:33.:06:35.

Mixed motives, people voting largely on local issues, not national ones.

:06:36.:06:39.

But what is coming across is that where people

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predicted we would be wiped out, in places like Wales,

:06:44.:06:45.

The Lib Dems are made so far it has been a mixed set of results for

:06:46.:06:57.

them. We have held our ground in the face of a massive shift. An enormous

:06:58.:07:04.

shift of Ukip voters to the Conservatives. Given that that

:07:05.:07:08.

happened, we have done well to stay where we are. The Green Party says

:07:09.:07:12.

with the Conservatives dominating, other parties need to collaborate.

:07:13.:07:16.

There is a strong message that people want the parties to be

:07:17.:07:22.

working together rather than against one another. Under this kind of

:07:23.:07:26.

system it is clear when we stand against one another, we lose ground

:07:27.:07:29.

and the Conservatives gain. Local elections results do not translate

:07:30.:07:35.

to a general election, but they are a significant barometer. The outcome

:07:36.:07:38.

will influence the tactics of the main parties over the next few

:07:39.:07:42.

weeks. First son, the results today have been too close to call. The

:07:43.:07:46.

Tories were denied an overall majority in Northumberland after the

:07:47.:07:53.

Lib Dem candidate literally drew the longest straw. For now, back to the

:07:54.:07:56.

counting. Plenty of that to be done. The final day of campaigning has

:07:57.:07:59.

begun in the French presidential Polls show that the centrist

:08:00.:08:01.

Emmanuel Macron maintains a clear lead over his Front National

:08:02.:08:05.

opponent Marine Le Pen. Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed

:08:06.:08:07.

a lawsuit over online rumours that he had a secret bank account

:08:08.:08:09.

in the Caribbean. He has strongly denied

:08:10.:08:12.

the allegations. A British man has died

:08:13.:08:22.

while skydiving in Thailand. It happened in the Thai

:08:23.:08:24.

resort town of Pattaya. 69-year-old James McConnell -

:08:25.:08:26.

an experienced skydiver - leapt from a plane and landed

:08:27.:08:28.

in a nearby reservoir missing the airstrip

:08:29.:08:32.

at the Thai Sky Adventures airbase. His son has posted a message

:08:33.:08:35.

on social media saying That's a summary of the news -

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now back to Local Elections Welcome back once again to our

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studio at Westminster. We are covering the live results from the

:09:06.:09:08.

local elections in England and Wales. Getting some signals of what

:09:09.:09:14.

might be in store in Scotland. Very early days there of course because

:09:15.:09:19.

most of the Scottish results will not come in until later this

:09:20.:09:23.

afternoon. Key battle grounds, not just in terms of the local contests,

:09:24.:09:28.

but we might look at Padron 's looking ahead towards the general

:09:29.:09:33.

election. Lots to discuss. -- patter ands. We have a look at some of the

:09:34.:09:37.

results we have already had and maybe look at some of the details.

:09:38.:09:41.

We have a new panel. Diane Abbott is with us. And the Conservative Sam

:09:42.:09:49.

Gyimah. And the Lib Dems Tom Brake. Laura is still with me. Can we start

:09:50.:09:54.

on Scotland? I know you have been getting some intelligence? There is

:09:55.:09:59.

a pattern emerging. What the Tories hope to do in the general election

:10:00.:10:02.

is borne out by the local results. That is, start to make progress in

:10:03.:10:07.

areas where Tories frankly went out with the ark. In Midlothian and

:10:08.:10:13.

five, parts of Scotland that are laboured to the core, seats are

:10:14.:10:18.

being won by the Conservatives. -- Labour. In Clackmannanshire are

:10:19.:10:21.

there was no Tory representation whatsoever, but overnight that has

:10:22.:10:25.

changed. They have representation in every ward. And one big scalp, I'm

:10:26.:10:33.

told the SNP leader in Fife Council, Gordon Brown's old backyard, has

:10:34.:10:38.

lost his seat to a Conservative. A picture that is bad for the Labour

:10:39.:10:41.

Party and bad for the SNP, although we do expect the SNP to take Glasgow

:10:42.:10:49.

Consul, a big totemic win. Can we pick up on the Conservative prospect

:10:50.:10:53.

in Scotland, and whether what Laura says makes sense to you? We are

:10:54.:10:59.

seeing encouraging results across the country for the Conservative

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Party. In Scotland, we have had Ruth Davidson, who has run a terrific and

:11:04.:11:07.

energetic campaign, we would expect to move forward. It will be a

:11:08.:11:13.

challenge overtaking Labour. They have four times as many councillors

:11:14.:11:16.

as we have. The key thing emerging from not just Scotland but England

:11:17.:11:20.

and Wales is that on the Theresa May, her strong and stable

:11:21.:11:28.

leadership is cutting through. Her position on Brexit is resonating.

:11:29.:11:32.

Particularly in Scotland, we are the party that supports the union and

:11:33.:11:36.

will stand up for the union while the other parties want to break up

:11:37.:11:42.

our country. That last comment is clearly not true. The Liberal

:11:43.:11:45.

Democrats don't want to break up the union in Scotland. I think perhaps

:11:46.:11:49.

there was some of that happening in terms of people identify which of

:11:50.:11:54.

the parties could challenge the SNP. Maybe the Conservatives benefited

:11:55.:11:57.

from that. I hope the same will be true in some areas where the Liberal

:11:58.:12:03.

Democrats are strong. Diane, your thoughts so far on the Labour

:12:04.:12:08.

performance? There is no question these are different results --

:12:09.:12:11.

disappointing results. But I think we have to be careful from

:12:12.:12:16.

extrapolating from local elections to the general. The turnout is much

:12:17.:12:20.

lower. And in many cases people vote on specifically local issues. But I

:12:21.:12:24.

am not pretending that these are not disappointing results. Stephen

:12:25.:12:28.

Kinnock was on early saying something similar to what you said

:12:29.:12:33.

but he said that they were frankly with disastrous results. Is that a

:12:34.:12:37.

word you would use? I wouldn't use that word. In Wales there were

:12:38.:12:42.

disappointing but certainly not as bad as the polling suggested. We

:12:43.:12:46.

have held Cardiff, we have increased representation in Swansea. So I

:12:47.:12:50.

wouldn't use the word disastrous at all. The point he was making was

:12:51.:12:56.

that lots of Labour campaigners have been let down, he felt, by weakness

:12:57.:13:03.

in terms of the leadership. I know that is a theme we have discussed

:13:04.:13:08.

many times in the past. But on a day when Labour is counting significant

:13:09.:13:11.

losses in some areas, is it fair for him to raise that theme? Stephen is

:13:12.:13:17.

entitled to his own opinion. What we are saying is that we do better

:13:18.:13:22.

overall in Wales than the opinion polls would seem to indicate. We

:13:23.:13:26.

still think there is all to play for in the general election. Laura, what

:13:27.:13:31.

is your thought in terms of the Labour performance generally? Are

:13:32.:13:36.

not being specific in terms of Wales or Scotland. Look, the convention

:13:37.:13:42.

is, and this is challenged by Labour HQ this morning, if it parties on

:13:43.:13:45.

track to even have a shot at taking power in a general election, they

:13:46.:13:49.

should be stacking up seats in local elections. It is not a direct reader

:13:50.:13:57.

cross. There are local issues. But that is what convention dictates. If

:13:58.:14:00.

you follow that convention, this is a bad set of results for the Labour

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Party. I think what we will hear more from Labour MPs across the

:14:06.:14:08.

piece, apart from the core around Jeremy Corbyn, is people saying, as

:14:09.:14:13.

they already have been saying, they will talk about voting for their

:14:14.:14:16.

local MPs, they will talk about voting to have a strong opposition,

:14:17.:14:21.

they will, wherever possible, not talk about Jeremy Corbyn. And the

:14:22.:14:25.

message from the core around Jeremy Corbyn would be very different. We

:14:26.:14:28.

have heard John McDonnell saying this morning that the more people

:14:29.:14:31.

see of Jeremy Corbyn, the more they like him. That is not what the

:14:32.:14:37.

results suggest. We are in a political era where the conventions

:14:38.:14:42.

are being smashed. Dangerous to refer to convention. I still think

:14:43.:14:46.

there is everything to play for. Everything to play for when it comes

:14:47.:14:51.

to June the 8th? Yes, there is everything to play for. We know that

:14:52.:14:55.

in a local election people would do things that they wouldn't do in a

:14:56.:15:01.

general. The idea that it is all done and dusted for the general

:15:02.:15:07.

election is a fallacy. You can't extrapolate from the local

:15:08.:15:11.

to the general election, even though this is a highly unusual local

:15:12.:15:14.

election happening in the middle of the general election. So she is

:15:15.:15:19.

right. That is why we are not taking anything for granted under the

:15:20.:15:22.

Conservative side. If you want to Theresa May as your Prime Minister

:15:23.:15:25.

you have two fold for her on June the 8th. Something quite clear about

:15:26.:15:31.

the Korber leadership is he has lost his party, he has -- he is losing in

:15:32.:15:39.

the Labour heartlands and he hasn't spoken on Brexit. Not many people

:15:40.:15:46.

can see him sitting opposite 27 leaders negotiating for our country.

:15:47.:15:51.

If you do want the right Prime Minister, who I believe is Theresa

:15:52.:15:57.

May, you have two vote for her. One thing that is certain as a result of

:15:58.:16:01.

these results is that the Conservatives are not going to be

:16:02.:16:05.

able to run this line of the coalition of chaos. We can

:16:06.:16:08.

extrapolate something from these results. That looks as though it is

:16:09.:16:12.

very likely there will be a Conservative majority. Who is going

:16:13.:16:15.

to be providing the opposition and what size will that majority be due

:16:16.:16:21.

I hope we're not going to hear from the Prime Minister, coalition of

:16:22.:16:24.

chaos, and that is something Tim Farron has completely excluded. The

:16:25.:16:29.

only way in which Jeremy Corbyn get into Downing Street is if he rides

:16:30.:16:33.

on the coat-tails of other political parties like the Liberal Democrats.

:16:34.:16:42.

A high street betting shop predicts that the Labour Party,

:16:43.:16:44.

unfortunately, will be winning 160 seats at the general election. They

:16:45.:16:49.

cannot form a majority government. And we excluded that option anyway.

:16:50.:16:58.

The option is not on the table. Vote for Theresa May on June the 8th. If

:16:59.:17:03.

you vote for any other political party, you risk voting for Jeremy

:17:04.:17:06.

Corbyn. Vote Conservative to get Theresa May. Very quickly, a quick

:17:07.:17:14.

word? We have no intention of riding and anybody's coat-tails. When we

:17:15.:17:20.

see the results from the big cities, ride, we will see what people think

:17:21.:17:25.

of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. We have been talking about the Ukip

:17:26.:17:28.

collapse overnight, they have their white dead in quite a few the

:17:29.:17:32.

councils were they did so well in 2013. -- wiped out.

:17:33.:17:35.

This is Paul Nuttall's response. Laura, looking at those words, that

:17:36.:18:04.

goes way beyond anything that Suzanne and Peter were talking about

:18:05.:18:08.

earlier? They were talking about a rebrand, a bright future.

:18:09.:18:12.

Essentially he has not just admitted defeat but essentially said that

:18:13.:18:15.

defeat is worth it, Ukip has achieved what it set out to do all

:18:16.:18:19.

those years ago. I think following that statement it will be very

:18:20.:18:22.

difficult for Paul Nuttall to say what you give is for. He is

:18:23.:18:27.

basically saying, job done. I get why people didn't vote for us. It is

:18:28.:18:35.

a curious position. Four years ago in this studio Nigel Farage came in

:18:36.:18:40.

and we couldn't get him out. He said their first several hours. It was

:18:41.:18:43.

their big breakthrough. This is implying, and I hope I am not being

:18:44.:18:49.

unfair to Paul Nuttall, the purpose has gone, has evaporated. That is

:18:50.:18:54.

the imprecation. He does say in another part of the statement that

:18:55.:18:58.

the party has a bright future. The wave that swept it in in 2013 has

:18:59.:19:05.

swept back out again. What do you make of that? He is putting a brave

:19:06.:19:12.

face on what is a Ukip defeat. What I am encouraged by is that we are

:19:13.:19:16.

winning votes across the political spectrum and across the country. But

:19:17.:19:21.

you are being massively helped by a Ukip collapse, that is clear. In

:19:22.:19:27.

Essex and elsewhere. It is still early. There are lots of results yet

:19:28.:19:34.

to come. We had a referendum. Theresa May has the right approach

:19:35.:19:37.

to the Brexit negotiations. Voters are recognising that stable

:19:38.:19:43.

leadership is what will deliver the right result in terms of Brexit and

:19:44.:19:47.

beyond. I welcome that. But it is not just a Ukip collapse that is

:19:48.:19:53.

helping the Conservatives. It is in Wales and Scotland, we are yet to

:19:54.:19:56.

see what is happening, but another part of the country, we are waiting

:19:57.:20:00.

across the board. -- winning. That is encouraging. Before we go to

:20:01.:20:05.

Edinburgh, just to set the scene again, what is at stake in the

:20:06.:20:10.

Scottish elections? Well, a lot. There are local elections across the

:20:11.:20:15.

country but this is a testing ground, if you like, for whether or

:20:16.:20:19.

not the SNP will fall back from their huge peak that they achieved

:20:20.:20:23.

in the 2015 election, extremely good results in 2016. Can the Tories make

:20:24.:20:30.

genuinely big inroads, not just in part of the country that they have

:20:31.:20:33.

held before but right across the board in Scotland? That is what

:20:34.:20:39.

Theresa May once, that is what Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Tory leader,

:20:40.:20:43.

has been working on, and it seems from these early signs they may have

:20:44.:20:48.

made huge strides. I am hearing rumours of tactical voting, people

:20:49.:20:52.

going to the Lib Dems. I am hearing of straight switches from Labour to

:20:53.:20:56.

the Tories. All sorts of stuff. A lot of action happening in Scotland.

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It is a really, really important set of results, because it will dictate

:21:02.:21:05.

some of what will happen on June the 8th. Let's see if with the evidence

:21:06.:21:13.

in Edinburgh. We join our correspondent. What is the state of

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play as you see it? The SNP think they are continuing to

:21:19.:21:23.

do well, based on results from 2012. They think they have increased their

:21:24.:21:28.

number from last times. But the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are

:21:29.:21:32.

happy. We have only had a couple of declarations. Many in egg --

:21:33.:21:37.

Edinburgh West. That is a big constituency for the Lib Dems. They

:21:38.:21:41.

are very optimistic that would give them a good base on which to fight

:21:42.:21:46.

the general election. You heard Laura talking about the

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Conservatives been buoyant in Scotland. I think that is absolutely

:21:50.:21:53.

the case. My phone has been ringing off the hook with Conservatives

:21:54.:21:58.

around the country optimistic about what they are seeing. The result we

:21:59.:22:06.

had a moment ago, the party won a seat from Labour. And across the

:22:07.:22:10.

country, there are areas where typically the Conservatives have

:22:11.:22:15.

been very poorly represented in the past. Many of them traditional

:22:16.:22:18.

Labour heartlands. The party thinks today they are doing extremely well.

:22:19.:22:26.

A talk about how patterns of voting change. People inevitably are

:22:27.:22:32.

looking ahead a few weeks to the general election. What kind of

:22:33.:22:40.

lessons are you learning? There is a certain signal coming from SNP

:22:41.:22:44.

voters that they preferred the Greens as their back-up preference.

:22:45.:22:48.

Single transferable vote here. They are voting firstly for the SNP

:22:49.:22:52.

candidate, and afterwards, their next preferences the greens. Some

:22:53.:22:58.

sources here think that yes, there are transfers of votes. But in areas

:22:59.:23:03.

where certain parties, unionist parties, are preferred to others,

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those votes are going elsewhere. Take Edinburgh West, where the Lib

:23:10.:23:13.

Dems are the main opponent of the SNP, many unionists are not voting

:23:14.:23:17.

for Labour or the Tories, thereby straight to the Lib Dems. The

:23:18.:23:22.

Conservatives think that the Unionist vote in Glasgow West is

:23:23.:23:29.

coalescing around them. We will look at the wards that comprise Edinburgh

:23:30.:23:33.

South. That is the last remaining Edinburgh seat that Labour won in

:23:34.:23:39.

2015. Ian Murray's seat. The SNP elected to put by big challenge. We

:23:40.:23:43.

will look to see if the Labour Party are winning those Unionist votes in

:23:44.:23:47.

Edinburgh South, or weather that has been chipped away and whether

:23:48.:23:52.

potentially in a few weeks, we could see Labour pots last seat in

:23:53.:23:55.

Scotland go to another party. Nick, thank you. We are going to go

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from Edinburgh to Aberdeen. We are joined by the former first minister,

:24:03.:24:07.

former leader of the SNP, Alex Salmond. Thank you for joining us.

:24:08.:24:13.

Hull pleasure. What you make of things so far? Well, it's early in

:24:14.:24:20.

the day in terms of a total pattern. But here in the north-east the SNP

:24:21.:24:27.

are running very strongly. The SNP have high hopes of taking control of

:24:28.:24:32.

the city. The Conservative vote is very strong and we will have to do

:24:33.:24:37.

something about that in few weeks. To what extent would you agree with

:24:38.:24:41.

the reports of a Conservative in parts of Scotland, and what do you

:24:42.:24:49.

attribute that to? Well, the Conservative vote is on the rise but

:24:50.:24:53.

at the end of today, probably Scotland would be the only place

:24:54.:24:56.

where the Conservatives have been beaten. That is to say the objective

:24:57.:25:01.

of an election campaign is to win more votes and more seats than any

:25:02.:25:05.

the party, and we are confident the SNP will do exactly that across

:25:06.:25:10.

Scotland. So when it comes to the general election, we want to

:25:11.:25:14.

reinforce this trend. There is one thing desperately needed in this

:25:15.:25:18.

country and that is a real opposition to Theresa May and the

:25:19.:25:22.

Conservative Party. The SNP in Scotland intend to provide it. There

:25:23.:25:28.

is a little problem on the sand. I will carry on and hope for the best.

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That is a wee bit disconcerting! We are going to carry on. I am

:25:37.:25:40.

wondering about Glasgow. Clearly it is a big battle between the SNP and

:25:41.:25:45.

Labour. How do you read that battle and how important is it for the SNP?

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One of the SNP's key targets, if you take Glasgow, the iconic city the

:25:55.:25:58.

SNP are looking to take control of, that would be a major moment for the

:25:59.:26:04.

Scots -- SNP. In the north-east of Scotland we are hoping to take

:26:05.:26:07.

control of Aberdeen, the Northern Lights, which would also be a major

:26:08.:26:12.

moment. These are two very important targets. But votes across the

:26:13.:26:17.

country can. We will be looking to become the largest party in terms of

:26:18.:26:21.

seeds and votes after all the votes are counted today. I think one very

:26:22.:26:24.

interesting trend, when you see the disappearance of Ukip from English

:26:25.:26:29.

politics and welts politics for that matter, is the extent to which the

:26:30.:26:33.

Conservative Party have actually become Ukip. They have eliminated

:26:34.:26:39.

Ukip by becoming Ukip. And the sort of extreme language that the Theresa

:26:40.:26:43.

May used in Downing Street the other day, that could have come from Nigel

:26:44.:26:49.

Farage. The Conservative party have managed to assimilate Ukip votes by

:26:50.:26:54.

becoming Ukip. I think a lot of people will think twice before

:26:55.:26:57.

endorsing this type of Conservative Party.

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Alex Salmond, thank you very much. Alex Salmond, the former Scotland

:27:04.:27:08.

First Minister for the SNP, saying some forthright things. Sam, you

:27:09.:27:12.

want to come in on that. I will bring you in in a moment. I just

:27:13.:27:16.

want to bring in Professor John Curtice. Just a thought on the

:27:17.:27:21.

Scottish picture first before I bring in my panel. What did you make

:27:22.:27:28.

of that? We need to decode what Alex Salmond said. He set himself the

:27:29.:27:32.

rather low objective of being the largest party in Scotland in terms

:27:33.:27:37.

of votes and seats. Actually the SMP micromanaged that in 2012 and what

:27:38.:27:41.

was widely regarded as a disappointing performance. Given

:27:42.:27:44.

that no opinion poll has put the SNP other than being the most popular

:27:45.:27:50.

party in Scotland for a very long time, his objective seems rather

:27:51.:27:54.

low. I thought in truth there was perhaps, and certainly it was an

:27:55.:27:59.

acknowledgement, that the Conservatives are advancing

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significantly. We have heard that from Aberdeen and Edinburgh. What

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will perhaps worry the SNP more, and we saw this happened last year in

:28:07.:28:10.

the Scottish Parliament election, that in individual areas voters

:28:11.:28:17.

start to go to one Unionist party, maybe the Lib Dem is -- the Liberal

:28:18.:28:21.

Democrats in Edinburgh West. That makes it more difficult for the SNP

:28:22.:28:26.

to win this many seeds if the Unionist vote becomes more

:28:27.:28:29.

congregated. It is early days. But as it were, I think we will now

:28:30.:28:34.

begin to be surprised if there was a very substantial Conservative

:28:35.:28:37.

advance north of the border, bearing in mind it 2012 they did not do very

:28:38.:28:42.

well. We are still asking the key question, how well are the SMP going

:28:43.:28:47.

to do? SNP gains are expected. It is the size of the gains that are

:28:48.:28:51.

crucial to understanding how well they have done.

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That will give us a flavour as to how much Nicola Sturgeon's very bold

:28:57.:29:02.

moves to force a second Independence Referendum have played. Some inside

:29:03.:29:08.

the SNP will think, hang on, Nicola Sturgeon made an audacious move by

:29:09.:29:12.

demanding a second referendum, knowing that Theresa May would say

:29:13.:29:16.

no. If that has translated into a search for the Scottish

:29:17.:29:20.

Conservatives, that may be a worry for some inside the SNP. It was a

:29:21.:29:25.

finely balanced decision. There were people on different sides, playing

:29:26.:29:29.

different ways. It reminds us that the Constitution has been an issue.

:29:30.:29:33.

The dominant political issue in Scotland is the constitution.

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John, can we have a final word at this point from you? We dealt with

:29:40.:29:43.

part of the picture in Scotland. Just a broad view of where we are

:29:44.:29:46.

with the other party across England, Scotland and Wales? We started the

:29:47.:29:50.

morning saying the Conservatives had done well. Getting further results

:29:51.:29:55.

from England and a variety of other councils. That impression has been

:29:56.:29:58.

reinforced. It looks as if Conservatives are doing that little

:29:59.:30:02.

bit better than they were doing on average overnight. The broad pattern

:30:03.:30:07.

we told you about at nine o'clock is still in force and maybe the

:30:08.:30:11.

Conservatives just doing that and that better than before that. Thank

:30:12.:30:12.

you. John will join us again later on. We

:30:13.:30:21.

will have a good conversation about those points. There are several

:30:22.:30:26.

things there to pick up on, not least from Alex Salmond's

:30:27.:30:30.

contribution. At 11. 30am, we watch catch up with the latest news and

:30:31.:30:32.

let's join Joanna. The Conservatives have made big

:30:33.:30:36.

gains in the council elections in England and Wales,

:30:37.:30:40.

recording their best Many of the votes cast

:30:41.:30:42.

yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales are still to be

:30:43.:30:45.

counted, but Labour have suffered losses and Ukip have failed

:30:46.:30:48.

to win a single seat. The Conservatives have been

:30:49.:30:51.

celebrating a series of victories The results so far show the Tories

:30:52.:30:53.

taking control of five local councils and winning more council

:30:54.:30:59.

seats than any other party. The Tories also celebrated victory

:31:00.:31:02.

in the West of England, where the Conservative Tim Bowles

:31:03.:31:06.

was elected to the newly created However, senior members

:31:07.:31:10.

of the Conservative Party are downplaying the significance

:31:11.:31:15.

of their victories saying many votes I think the early results are

:31:16.:31:24.

encouraging, but they are early results. We've seen less than a

:31:25.:31:29.

quarter of the vote actually counted and reported. The turnout in

:31:30.:31:32.

locational elections is much, much lower than in a general election, so

:31:33.:31:38.

you know, it's wrong to predict what's going to happen on June 8. We

:31:39.:31:42.

still have a general election to campaign for and to win, after last

:31:43.:31:44.

night. But encouraging signs. Elsewhere Labour have

:31:45.:31:48.

lost three councils, Despite the losses in Wales,

:31:49.:31:49.

Labour did hold Cardiff council. The party was also victorious

:31:50.:31:54.

in Doncaster, where its candidate Ros Jones, the Labour mayor,

:31:55.:31:59.

was re-elected, securing Labour's John McDonnell told people

:32:00.:32:01.

to wait for results elsewhere to come in before judging

:32:02.:32:05.

the party's performance. If you look at where we've really

:32:06.:32:13.

campaigned hard, in terms of Wales, in particular, Jeremy Corbyn was

:32:14.:32:16.

down in Cardiff. There's been a lot of work on the ground with our

:32:17.:32:19.

membership out there knocking on doors. We've defied all the

:32:20.:32:23.

predictions on the losses. Where we've lost in South Wales, what's

:32:24.:32:27.

interesting, it hasn't been to the Tories actually in terms of what's

:32:28.:32:40.

happened in Merthyr Tydfil, they've returned to independents.

:32:41.:32:43.

The results have been disappointing for UKIP.

:32:44.:32:45.

The party failed to win any of the seats it contested -

:32:46.:32:48.

losing 46 previously held council seats.

:32:49.:32:50.

UKIP says it still has sitting councillors in the country,

:32:51.:32:53.

although those positions were not up for election this time.

:32:54.:32:57.

The results have been mixed for the Liberal Democrats.

:32:58.:33:05.

A short time ago, the party had lost 23 council seats.

:33:06.:33:07.

The Lib Dems also failed to retake Somerset Council

:33:08.:33:10.

from the Conservatives, although the Tory leader John Osman

:33:11.:33:12.

was ousted by Lib Dem former MP Tessa Munt.

:33:13.:33:14.

Despite the overall picture of the Conservatives performing

:33:15.:33:17.

well, some electoral battles have been very close indeed.

:33:18.:33:19.

The winner of a seat in Northumberland County Council

:33:20.:33:21.

was decided by drawing straws, after two candidates received

:33:22.:33:24.

Here is the moment that the Lib Dem candidate Lesley Rickerby selected

:33:25.:33:31.

It meant that the Conservatives were denied overall

:33:32.:33:37.

The final day of campaigning is under way in the French

:33:38.:33:47.

presidential election before voting takes place on Sunday.

:33:48.:33:49.

Polls show that the centrist, Emmanuel Macron, maintains a clear

:33:50.:33:51.

lead over the far right candidate Marine Le Pen.

:33:52.:33:57.

Hello and welcome to a busy Friday in Paris, but it's anything but

:33:58.:34:04.

normal here in France, as we enter the final hours of the presidential

:34:05.:34:10.

election campaign 2017. At midnight tonight, local time, the candidates

:34:11.:34:14.

must fall silent, the campaigning must end, before a day of pause and

:34:15.:34:19.

reflection on Saturday and then the final vote on Sunday. What an

:34:20.:34:25.

extraordinary campaign it's been, so fractious, so bad tempered, cull

:34:26.:34:29.

mainiating in the debate on Wednesday night when the two

:34:30.:34:33.

candidates sat face to face for two-and-a-half hours and argued

:34:34.:34:36.

bitterly. It hasn't done Marine Le Pen favours in the poll. Emmanuel

:34:37.:34:42.

Macron is now on 62% edging up slightly against her 38%, following

:34:43.:34:47.

that debate. Let's look through the papers quickly to see how they are

:34:48.:34:50.

mulling over this moment in French politics. They are very much in the

:34:51.:34:59.

Macron camp. Marine Le Pen this paper says has a strategy of lies.

:35:00.:35:04.

They have put the 19 points she said in the debate calling them all

:35:05.:35:11.

untrue. Le Figaro called the Le Pen campaign a shipwreck and say the

:35:12.:35:17.

Macron is the arch favourite. Calling Marine Le Pen the big loser.

:35:18.:35:23.

The financial paper talks about Macron, Le Pen, the battling of

:35:24.:35:29.

extremism. Then very stark message on the front of the left-wing paper,

:35:30.:35:34.

that is a picture of Marine Le Pen's father, the founder of the National

:35:35.:35:38.

Front. It says she has not changed. Despite all her efforts to move away

:35:39.:35:41.

from the past of the National Front, this paper says she is still her

:35:42.:35:46.

father's daughter. It is a big lead for Emmanuel Macron in the polls.

:35:47.:35:51.

Remember, up to 20% of French voters are still undecided. Abstention is a

:35:52.:35:55.

big thing in French elections, many people could simply stay away or

:35:56.:35:59.

spoil their ballots. There still is everything to play for.

:36:00.:36:06.

The President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker,

:36:07.:36:08.

has raised a few eyebrows for comments he made about English

:36:09.:36:11.

During a conference in Italy on the state of the European Union,

:36:12.:36:15.

Mr Juncker chose to speak in French, due to the presidential elections

:36:16.:36:18.

I'm hesitating between English and French, but I make my choice. I will

:36:19.:36:28.

express myself in French. Because... APPLAUSE

:36:29.:36:40.

Slowly but surely English is losing importance in Europe...

:36:41.:36:41.

LAUGHTER The head of the world's second

:36:42.:36:44.

largest investment bank, Goldman Sachs, has warned that

:36:45.:36:46.

Britain's financial centre - the City of London -

:36:47.:36:49.

"will stall" when the country leaves Lloyd Blanfein told the BBC that the

:36:50.:36:57.

future of the sector, which employs more than a million people and pays

:36:58.:37:01.

about 12% of all Government tax revenue would depend on the terms of

:37:02.:37:03.

Britain's exit from the EU. That's a summary of the news -

:37:04.:37:11.

now back to Local Election Welcome back to our live coverage of

:37:12.:37:25.

the local election results in England and Wales and Scotland.

:37:26.:37:29.

Let's stay with Scotland, because we have our first Scottish local

:37:30.:37:32.

authority result in. One of the smallest local authorities in

:37:33.:37:38.

Scotland. This is Clackmannanshire. This is a hung council. The SNP

:37:39.:37:44.

short by two seats of overall control.

:37:45.:37:48.

The Conservatives on five, that will be seen as a gain for them.

:37:49.:37:57.

That means tla we can look at the scoreboard for Scotland:

:37:58.:38:08.

Er we've had ray result from Orkney as well. We're adding those in. The

:38:09.:38:19.

independents on 20. Very early days, let me underline that again.

:38:20.:38:25.

Orkney and Clackmannanshire are the first two. Laura, a quick word on

:38:26.:38:31.

that. Clackmannanshire an area where the SNP are just short there. But a

:38:32.:38:35.

Conservative, well, four seats I think, can we call that a surge,

:38:36.:38:39.

certainly an increase. What we're seeing is Tory foot prints going

:38:40.:38:43.

into place where's they didn't previously exist. That's the chatter

:38:44.:38:47.

out of Scotland, potentially by the end of the day, an extraordinary set

:38:48.:38:52.

of results for the Tory party that they will hope to translate into

:38:53.:38:57.

Westminster increased representation, which has been so

:38:58.:39:03.

tiny for such a long time. The question of the constitution is the

:39:04.:39:06.

thing that has been on the table, this is a Unionist versus

:39:07.:39:10.

independence battle, rather than anything to do with lockal issues in

:39:11.:39:14.

most places. Let's' see how the Conservatives are doing else wr. We

:39:15.:39:20.

go to Kent. A traditional strong hold and Ukip has in the past done

:39:21.:39:24.

rather well. Peter, just bring us up to date there.

:39:25.:39:31.

Here in Thanet, they're counting seven of the 81 Kent County Council

:39:32.:39:36.

seats. This area is Margate, Ramsgate and broad stairs, the area

:39:37.:39:42.

that Ukip thinks as a strong hold, they hold the local District Council

:39:43.:39:45.

here. Nigel Farage stood in the general election here and came close

:39:46.:39:49.

second. In the other national seat, also Ukip came second. As they're

:39:50.:39:54.

counting away, they've said that the turnout is just below 32%, lower

:39:55.:39:58.

than the national average. What is the important thing here, is the

:39:59.:40:02.

Conservative it's are walking around with broad smiles on their faces.

:40:03.:40:07.

Last time round, Ukip won six of the seats here. Labour won one and there

:40:08.:40:11.

was an independent. It's gone down to seven seats. Now I'm told by the

:40:12.:40:15.

Conservatives that it's completely changed. They say that the Ukip vote

:40:16.:40:20.

has totally collapsed and it's almost like winding the clock back

:40:21.:40:24.

and now it's just between them and Labour. Ukip have not appeared on

:40:25.:40:29.

the ballot papers at all. People just haven't gone out and voted

:40:30.:40:32.

Labour. Now the Conservatives are predicting that they could win up to

:40:33.:40:35.

five of these seats and Labour could win two. So it's a complete change

:40:36.:40:41.

of the political geography in this area which was seen as a Ukip strong

:40:42.:40:45.

hold. Can we ask the question why and what

:40:46.:40:49.

are Ukip telling you and what are others saying about what's happened

:40:50.:40:53.

to that Ukip vote and what are the reasons people are giving for not

:40:54.:40:59.

backing them this time? When I've been on the streets and you've been

:41:00.:41:02.

asking people how are you going to vote in the general election, what

:41:03.:41:06.

do you think will happen, will Nigel Farage stand in south Thanet again

:41:07.:41:10.

and talking about local issues, people have just said Brexit is

:41:11.:41:18.

Brexit, job done. That's what is coming from the count at the moment.

:41:19.:41:21.

People think Brexit is done. Ukip has done their job. Also, the

:41:22.:41:29.

council, the only council run by Ukip. There's one key issue over an

:41:30.:41:35.

airport closure and whether this will be compulsory purchased by the

:41:36.:41:39.

local council. The Council when they came in, Ukip said they would do

:41:40.:41:42.

everything to keep this as an airport, that ended. There's a bit

:41:43.:41:49.

of local opposition against the sitting District Council and that's

:41:50.:41:51.

reflected in the County Council votes and how people are voting in

:41:52.:41:55.

this area. A final thought, though, as I keep on saying, this is a bit

:41:56.:41:59.

of a risky business, do you want to give us any thought about the

:42:00.:42:02.

Parliamentary battles coming up in a few weeks' time in that part of

:42:03.:42:09.

world? Well, I'd say on the Parliamentary basis, you've got one

:42:10.:42:14.

seat, north Thanet, that is safe as houses, Conservative, always has

:42:15.:42:19.

been. The MP has been there since 1983. He's carrying on. He's very

:42:20.:42:24.

well known locally. The other seat is the one that Nigel Farage only

:42:25.:42:27.

announced a couple of weeks ago that he wasn't going to stand against. I

:42:28.:42:31.

saw Nigel Farage a few weeks ago and said, why aren't you going to stand?

:42:32.:42:36.

He gave a wry smile. He was meeting the party faithful. I believed when

:42:37.:42:39.

I looked him in the eyes, that he believed job done, I'm not going to

:42:40.:42:46.

win here. There is the issue locally of the expenses claims and Ukip

:42:47.:42:50.

always said that it wasn't a fair fight, wasn't a level playing field.

:42:51.:42:53.

The Conservatives have said that it was a level playing field and the

:42:54.:42:58.

file was passed to the criminal prosecution service. I think the

:42:59.:43:01.

Conservatives from the results here and from what they're looking at by

:43:02.:43:05.

sampling the votes as they're coming in, it looks like these two seats

:43:06.:43:09.

will definitely be Conservative come the general election.

:43:10.:43:12.

Peter, once again, thank you very much for bringing us up to date in

:43:13.:43:18.

Thanet. Back to the studio. Let's talk to Dan and to Sam and Tom. Sam,

:43:19.:43:22.

first of all, the picture there in Kent, what do you make of it? Again,

:43:23.:43:27.

encouraging. Again, good to see that we are winning seats in places where

:43:28.:43:32.

Ukip did very well last time round. We are doing quite well. I think the

:43:33.:43:38.

overall picture as I've been saying throughout is that we are

:43:39.:43:41.

competitive everywhere. The Conservative Party is the only party

:43:42.:43:48.

that is competitive in England, in Scotland and Wales. Going back to

:43:49.:43:52.

Alex Salmond's comments, what we saw was a denial, the SNP are in denial.

:43:53.:43:56.

They are so tunnel visioned about the independence referendum that

:43:57.:44:01.

they've taken their eye off the ball on governing. That's what Ruth

:44:02.:44:04.

Davidson and Theresa May have focussed on in the elections there.

:44:05.:44:08.

We've seen that that's being played out around the country. This is not

:44:09.:44:13.

a Ukip collapse that is benefitting the Conservatives. If you take

:44:14.:44:16.

Warwickshire, it's a Labour-Conservative battleground.

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We've come out on top. Somerset, Gloucestershire, that was

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Conservative, Liberal Democrats. In Wales, where Labour are saying it's

:44:24.:44:28.

a mixed picture, we know that the First Minister, Carwyn Jones, h

:44:29.:44:35.

shielded Jeremy Corbyn from what could have been more difficult

:44:36.:44:39.

election results for them. Kent, you know, which is generally

:44:40.:44:41.

Conservative heart land, the rest of England and Wales, shows that we are

:44:42.:44:44.

competitive because we are speaking for all of Britain. Is that a fair

:44:45.:44:48.

point that Carwyn Jones in Wales has been able to shield Labour from

:44:49.:44:52.

Jeremy Corbyn, that's the phrase used? He is the leader in Wales. And

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people will know that. It's not about shielding anybody. Let me just

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say this: We heard Paul Nuttal say that a big Tory advance is a price

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worth paying. There will be Labour voters, including those who haven't

:45:12.:45:15.

voted in the local elections, who will not think a big Tory advance is

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a price worth paying. They will be frightened what will happen if

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Theresa May wins or even if she gets a big irmajority. -- bigger

:45:24.:45:28.

majority. That will focus minds. Ukip may think a big Tory advance is

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a price worth paying. Millions of voters will not think that. When I

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speak to people on the doorstep they are terrified of the prospect of a

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Jeremy Corbyn Premiership. This is a man who is not supported by 75% of

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his own MPs. Come on. Indeed. That's why he's not going to be the next

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Prime Minister. What is clear certainly in England is that Ukip

:45:49.:45:51.

has made a substantial contribution to helping the Conservatives win. I

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think the Prime Minister has very deliberately pitched a hard Brexit

:45:57.:46:00.

to attract those voters. I think it will quite cynical of her to have

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launched her barrage against the European Union the day before the

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council elections, which I think the purpose of that was to say to Ukip

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voters - come to me, I will represent the hard Brexit views that

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you represent or you believe in, which personally I think will do

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huge damage to the British economy and British families and jobs. I

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think that's a distraction by the way. This is a pivotal time in our

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country's history. The time that we will face on June 8 is do you want

:46:29.:46:34.

Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn as your Prime Minister? Who do you trust to

:46:35.:46:40.

deliver on Brexit? Who do you trust to lock in the economic progress?

:46:41.:46:47.

It's not just about Brexit. The uncertainty and the risk that is

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posed by a Jeremy Corbyn Premiership will hit jobs, will hit people's pay

:46:52.:46:56.

packets and - Are you saying it's a distraction for voters to think

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about anything other than the choice between Theresa May and Jeremy

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Corbyn in a general election? This is a general election, it's about

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every issue in people's lives. It's not just a choice between the

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leaders at the top of the party. But ultimately, when I talk to people on

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the doorstep, when most people think about this, they are concerned about

:47:14.:47:16.

leadership, a lot flows from leadership. They Can You Hear Me?

:47:17.:47:20.

Can are concerned about whether the leader can -- they are concerned

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about whether they can deliver. I went to a school this morning and

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had an interesting Q with the school council and two thirds of

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those questions were about cuts. The ?3 billion worth of cuts proposed by

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2020 and the impact on the number of teachers and class sizes. This is a

:47:41.:47:42.

general election - Is that a distraction? So who do you want to

:47:43.:47:48.

be Prime Minister? Is that a distraction, you used to be an

:47:49.:47:52.

Education Minister. Is it a distraction for voters to worry

:47:53.:47:58.

about schools or less money for head teachers? I wasn't commenting on

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voters. I was speaking to the point. Our economy is impacted by Brexit

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but I believe that strong and stable leadership from Theresa May... Does

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Sam get a prize for every time he says strong and stable. It's

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important. It's the most important thing in the election. It's

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antidemocratic to say that the NHS and education is a distraction.

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Demonising Jeremy Corbyn may yet rebound on you. I think triumphalism

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will rebound on you. Thank you very much. Lots of strong views here. We

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want to catch up on what's going on in Glasgow, because we have some

:48:39.:48:40.

news there. Anita? We certainly do. Quite a

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story for you here from Glasgow, because we've just had the first

:48:47.:48:50.

three wards declared and we know because of those results that Labour

:48:51.:48:55.

cannot have an overall majority here in Glasgow. So we know already at

:48:56.:48:59.

this early stage that Labour has lost overall control of Glasgow

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Council for the first time in 40 years. That really is quite a story

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here developing. With me is our Scotland political correspondent

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Glenn Campbell. That's a bit of a wow moment hearing that first

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result. Yeah, there are 85 seats in Glasgow. Labour were fielding 43

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candidates. In other words, they needed all of those to be elected

:49:20.:49:24.

here in Glasgow for them to retain overall control of the city

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chambers. We know that they have lost in Shettleston and therefore

:49:31.:49:34.

they can't get to the magic number. Whether they end up being part of a

:49:35.:49:38.

power-sharing deal or not we have to wait and see the the SNP have been

:49:39.:49:42.

targeting this city for years. They would hope to finish as the largest

:49:43.:49:48.

party perhaps with overall control but one other factor here is there

:49:49.:49:51.

are breakthroughs for the Conservative Party in Glasgow. Let's

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look at that. Shettleston ward, one of the more deprived parts of

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Glasgow, yet a Conservative has won a seat there. There was a huge cheer

:50:03.:50:07.

when that was declared. One wouldn't have expected necessarily this to be

:50:08.:50:11.

natural territory for the Conservatives, what's the

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significance of that? Absolutely, that's a big breakthrough for the

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Conservative Party getting a councillor elected in Shettleston.

:50:18.:50:22.

There was a huge cheer, a celebration because the

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Conservatives until now have only had one seat in the city as a whole.

:50:24.:50:29.

Ruth Davidson, the Scottish party leader, has fought this campaign not

:50:30.:50:33.

so much on local issues but on the big national picture and campaigning

:50:34.:50:37.

against a second referendum on Scottish independence. So it may be

:50:38.:50:43.

that has played an important factor in the Tories making that

:50:44.:50:46.

breakthrough. We're hearing this have broken through this what I

:50:47.:50:50.

believe is the most deprived ward in the whole of Scotland in Fergusly

:50:51.:50:54.

Park in paisley, an astonishing result for them. It seems that in

:50:55.:50:58.

certain parts of the country they're winning over support from Labour and

:50:59.:51:01.

perhaps from elsewhere to make those gains. Glenn, thank you very much.

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So, let's see if that early gain for the Conservatives transitions into

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more gains across Glasgow Council and also, that big, developing story

:51:15.:51:19.

here, Labour has lost some of the seats it held. We've heard that in

:51:20.:51:24.

the first three declarations that. Means they cannot have an overall

:51:25.:51:30.

majority at Glasgow Council. If we look back to 2012, in a quarter of

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the councils in Scotland, the party that won the largest number of seats

:51:37.:51:41.

didn't actually go on to form or be part of the administration. It is

:51:42.:51:45.

still possible that Labour in some sort of coalition could be running

:51:46.:51:49.

Glasgow Council, but the SNP, as we know, this is a big, symbolic target

:51:50.:51:54.

for them. They are trying to get to the magic number of 43 seats and web

:51:55.:51:58.

overall control -- win overall control here. Very interesting.

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Thanks very much. What do we make of that? You heard Glenn's thought on

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the kind of mix of, the peaks, if you like, which is causing surprise.

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Sure, massive moment for Glasgow to go to the SNP in terms of council

:52:12.:52:14.

control, remember, Glasgow is absolutely a yes city in the

:52:15.:52:17.

independence referendum. Now the test for the SNP is whether or not

:52:18.:52:22.

they can take an overall majority. And what has been a phenomenal SNP

:52:23.:52:27.

campaigning machine has been targeting to try to do that. It will

:52:28.:52:30.

be a disappointment for them if they don't actually manage to take

:52:31.:52:34.

control of the Council. I'm hearing whispers that might not happen. Yet

:52:35.:52:38.

again, you hear evidence that the Tories creeping back and frankly,

:52:39.:52:43.

until very recently, no bookie in the crown triwould have even given

:52:44.:52:48.

you a bet that the Tories would have been able to take Council wards in

:52:49.:52:54.

places like Shettleston. That is an astonishing change, absolutely

:52:55.:52:56.

astonishing. Thanks very much for now. We were reporting earlier about

:52:57.:53:00.

Conservative performance in Scotland, but also in Wales. They

:53:01.:53:05.

now control Monmouthshire Council. They made gains there. We will speak

:53:06.:53:11.

to the leader of the Welsh Conservatives, at City Hall in

:53:12.:53:15.

Cardiff. How would you describe your performance overnight? We've worked

:53:16.:53:20.

tirelessly over the last 365 days leading up to this campaign.

:53:21.:53:24.

Ultimately our local champions have come through and won in all areas we

:53:25.:53:30.

needed to win, Wrexham, overall control in Monmouthshire. Very good

:53:31.:53:35.

result in the Vale of Glamorgan and doubled numbers in Bridgend, double

:53:36.:53:38.

digits there, the home constituency of the First Minister. We take

:53:39.:53:41.

nothing for granted. We know there's a lot of hard work to be done. It is

:53:42.:53:46.

pleasing to see local communicates being rewarded for all their hard

:53:47.:53:51.

work. Labour still in overall control of Cardiff, Swansea and

:53:52.:53:55.

Newport. You can't be that chuffed with that. Well, we've doubled our

:53:56.:54:00.

representation here in Cardiff. As I've said, I've given you a list of

:54:01.:54:04.

where we have moved forward. We have moved forward across all parties

:54:05.:54:08.

really. I've come from the Vale of Glamorgan, where we have taken a

:54:09.:54:14.

seat there, which was four Plaid Cymru Councillors, they've held it

:54:15.:54:18.

for 30 years. Now Conservative Councillors there. We have taken off

:54:19.:54:22.

Labour and off the remember domes. We're taking -- Lib Dems. We are

:54:23.:54:27.

taking seats from all parties. People recognise the hard work that

:54:28.:54:30.

local champions have been undertaking over the last 365 days,

:54:31.:54:34.

not just when it leads up to election time. It's local issues,

:54:35.:54:38.

yes? Not about national issues at all despite the fact that this is

:54:39.:54:41.

taking place during a general election campaign? Well, what has

:54:42.:54:48.

interested me is the amount of people who have disassociated the

:54:49.:54:50.

general election from the local election. I was out knocking on

:54:51.:54:58.

doors up until 10pm last night, it was such as about the bypass, it was

:54:59.:55:03.

an incinerator in Barry and provision of education in some

:55:04.:55:06.

areas. There were local issues playing right the way through this

:55:07.:55:10.

campaign, but I don't doubt obviously the general election has

:55:11.:55:13.

had an impact as well. But we know full well that our local champions

:55:14.:55:16.

have been out because we take nothing for granted here in Wales.

:55:17.:55:20.

Every day of the week, leading up to this campaign and before, promoting

:55:21.:55:24.

what they stand for, promoting the beliefs of the Welsh Conservative

:55:25.:55:26.

Party and they've been rewarded in the ballot box. Now the hard work of

:55:27.:55:30.

delivering in county halls. We move into the general election and we

:55:31.:55:32.

continue those conversations in all parts of Wales to make sure that we

:55:33.:55:37.

succeed at general election in delivering MPs to support Theresa

:55:38.:55:40.

May, because it's vital that the choice before the British people is

:55:41.:55:44.

over Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn. Final point, are you going to

:55:45.:55:47.

acknowledge that the collapse in Ukip's vote has at least helped you

:55:48.:55:52.

quite a big deal in some areas? Well, as I said, we take nothing for

:55:53.:55:56.

granted here in Wales. We work tirelessly in all parts of Wales to

:55:57.:55:59.

try and secure people's confidence. That has been rewarded in parts of

:56:00.:56:04.

Wales. We still have nine councils counting here. The full picture

:56:05.:56:10.

hasn't emerged yet. I heard what you said about Glasgow and the

:56:11.:56:13.

Conservatives moving forward there. There's a ward in Barry Caddock

:56:14.:56:17.

where we haven't had representation ever before. That was the leader of

:56:18.:56:20.

the council's ward and we have taken a seat there. The leader got back in

:56:21.:56:26.

with just 14 votes. We're succeeding in taking votes from Labour, Plaid

:56:27.:56:30.

Cymru, the liberals across the board. We know what hard work Hier

:56:31.:56:35.

in Wales and -- work is here in Wales. We're prepared to work

:56:36.:56:39.

tirelessly to deliver a majority for Theresa May. The consequences if we

:56:40.:56:42.

don't, is a coalition of chaos under Jeremy Corbyn, the Nationalists and

:56:43.:56:45.

the liberals. Andrew, thank you very much for joining us.

:56:46.:56:50.

I'm sorry the picture was slightly breaking up towards the end. We

:56:51.:56:54.

heard every word there. We heard coalition of chaos again Tom. We

:56:55.:56:58.

did, even though it's clearly not going to happen and Tim Farron my

:56:59.:57:03.

party leader has ruled it out. Clearly the results from Wales for

:57:04.:57:06.

the Lib Dems are not particularly good. We think for instance that

:57:07.:57:09.

Cardiff, the city, is something that's hay real Ross -- that's a

:57:10.:57:13.

real prospect at the general election. We lost our Council leader

:57:14.:57:17.

in Cardiff. We gained a seed from Plaid Cymru. The -- seat from Plaid

:57:18.:57:23.

Cymru. The picture is mixed. I hope we will speak about the south-west

:57:24.:57:26.

of England, where the Lib Dems have done well, taking a seat from the

:57:27.:57:29.

Council leader in Dorset and Somerset. We will be talking to

:57:30.:57:34.

Martin Oats shortly. We have been talking earlier on about Somerset

:57:35.:57:37.

and Gloucestershire too and the west of England. We will come back to

:57:38.:57:41.

that. Laura, we will see you in a short while. We're back here in the

:57:42.:57:44.

studio in a moment. I think the best thing now is to look at weather.

:57:45.:57:50.

It's Phil. Thanks very much. Always a safe bet. Let's continue that

:57:51.:57:54.

theme about the west that you picked up on there. I will trants port you

:57:55.:58:01.

towards the Paignton area. Quite a bit of cloud there. The exception to

:58:02.:58:05.

the rule. Here, brighter than it has been of late in parts of the

:58:06.:58:10.

south-east. And as you work your way further north, I'm sure you're

:58:11.:58:13.

getting used to it Scotland, Northern Ireland, north of England,

:58:14.:58:16.

parts of Wales too, it has been a glorious week for many. Slightly

:58:17.:58:20.

marred by the flow around that area of high pressure which has brought

:58:21.:58:23.

so much of this settled weather because the winds are coming in off

:58:24.:58:29.

a chilly North Sea. At the moment, no better than ten degrees or so, as

:58:30.:58:35.

my son found out on Sunday at broad stairs. If we come to the north of

:58:36.:58:38.

Scotland, mid-afternoon, there is low cloud just flirting with some of

:58:39.:58:44.

these Eastern shores. It's the onshore breeze that pegs you back.

:58:45.:58:49.

In the west, as high as 20, 18 or 19 today. Similar across Northern

:58:50.:58:52.

Ireland. A lot of dry weather. You've seen the satellite picture.

:58:53.:58:56.

Glorious conditions for much of Walesant north of England. Further

:58:57.:58:59.

south, yes, there is more cloud here than anywhere else across the

:59:00.:59:03.

British Isles. But it is pink waited with more holes -- punctuated with

:59:04.:59:10.

more holes. Some of those holes are in the south-western quarter, Devon,

:59:11.:59:13.

Cornwall, the Isles of Scilly and Channel Islands. You will find

:59:14.:59:18.

eventually some rain for some. Further north in Scotland, away from

:59:19.:59:21.

the influence of that front, the skies stay clear. There will be a

:59:22.:59:25.

frost. As there has been the past couple of mornings. That band of

:59:26.:59:28.

weather, if you're wanting rain, only really is a concern down across

:59:29.:59:33.

the far south-west and into the Channel Islands, through the course

:59:34.:59:36.

of the day on Saturday. More cloud than of late perhaps across the

:59:37.:59:39.

greater part of England and Wales and it may just have enough about it

:59:40.:59:44.

across the heart of Wales, the Midlands and Lincolnshire, on the

:59:45.:59:46.

first part of Saturday to give a spot of rain. We still have that

:59:47.:59:51.

temperatures differential from east to west. From Saturday into Sunday,

:59:52.:59:57.

the one noticeable change is that we're bending the isobars into a

:59:58.:00:00.

slightly different direction. No warmer really for the most part,

:00:01.:00:05.

because there's still that hint of north and North Westerly about it.

:00:06.:00:09.

Cloud and cool over on the Eastern shores. In the west, the best of the

:00:10.:00:13.

sunshine and things bucking up nicely I would have thought across

:00:14.:00:16.

the south-east into the start of next week, we'll still see a lot of

:00:17.:00:18.

dry weather. Welcome to viewers on BBC Two

:00:19.:00:31.

and the BBC News Channel, for our special live

:00:32.:00:38.

coverage of the local elections in England,

:00:39.:00:40.

Wales and Scotland. Quite a few important threads to

:00:41.:00:47.

discuss. Thousands of councillors

:00:48.:00:50.

being elected overnight and today, responsible for delivering your

:00:51.:00:52.

essential public services, and all of this happening, unusually,

:00:53.:00:54.

during a general election campaign. We are talking about lots of things.

:00:55.:01:09.

We are talking about local authorities delivering very

:01:10.:01:10.

important local services. We'll have results as they're

:01:11.:01:13.

declared, and we'll be getting reaction from the parties

:01:14.:01:16.

to what's going on. It's been a very good night

:01:17.:01:24.

for the Conservatives They've taken control

:01:25.:01:29.

of the councils in Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire, Warwickshire,

:01:30.:01:32.

the Isle of Wight and Monmouthshire. They've also won the West

:01:33.:01:35.

of England mayoral contest. And it looks at this early stage

:01:36.:01:38.

that they're heading for their best set of local elections

:01:39.:01:43.

for a decade or more. Its been a disappointing

:01:44.:01:47.

night for Labour. And in Wales they've

:01:48.:01:52.

lost overall control of Bridgend and Merthyr Tydfil,

:01:53.:01:56.

two councils in their But they have held on to their key

:01:57.:01:58.

Welsh strongholds of Cardiff, They've also won the mayoral

:01:59.:02:03.

contest in Doncaster. And it has been a terrible

:02:04.:02:10.

night for Ukip. Overnight they lost every

:02:11.:02:13.

seat they were defending. And the party has been wiped out

:02:14.:02:16.

on councils like Lincolnshire, Their vote share is down

:02:17.:02:19.

dramatically, most of it Counting still under way in Glasgow.

:02:20.:02:36.

We now know from results already in that Labour have lost their overall

:02:37.:02:42.

control of Glasgow. That is a very big development. Lots of results

:02:43.:02:47.

still to come in. We're basing that on the so far.

:02:48.:02:50.

Coming up, we'll be live in Birmingham to look

:02:51.:02:52.

It's expected to be a close contest between

:02:53.:02:56.

Here we are back in the studio. I have been joined by Peter Kellner,

:02:57.:03:20.

the distinguished analyst. Peter will be talking about some of these

:03:21.:03:27.

trends. Laura will be back. And Dianne, Sam and Tom are still here.

:03:28.:03:31.

We will be talking a bit more about those things. The most important

:03:32.:03:36.

thing at this point is to look at the figures. We need to get right

:03:37.:03:46.

up-to-date with where we are. The Conservatives have made 199 gains in

:03:47.:03:50.

terms of council seats. Labour 142 losses. The Lib Dems 23 losses.

:03:51.:04:02.

Plaid Cymru on 19 games. The SNP on a single game. Lots of Scottish

:04:03.:04:09.

results to come. Ukip, that is a pretty dramatic tally. No seats to

:04:10.:04:14.

their name so far. 59 losses. When we said it has been a brutal night

:04:15.:04:18.

and day for Ukip, it has been. Seven games for the Green Party. Those are

:04:19.:04:25.

the results. We will have a little chat in a moment about what it

:04:26.:04:30.

means. But first, Joanna has the latest news.

:04:31.:04:32.

The Conservatives have made big gains in the local

:04:33.:04:34.

elections in England and Wales, recording their best

:04:35.:04:36.

Ukip have so far failed to win a single seat they were defending.

:04:37.:04:45.

Labour have suffered losses. They have lost overall control of Glasgow

:04:46.:04:53.

for the first time in more than 35 years, although the counting in the

:04:54.:04:54.

city is continuing. It is the Conservatives with the

:04:55.:05:08.

biggest cheers. The party has won control of Warwickshire,

:05:09.:05:09.

Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire and the Isle of Wight.

:05:10.:05:10.

Charles Bowles is duly elected as the West of England Mayor.

:05:11.:05:17.

In the West of England the Conservative candidate made history

:05:18.:05:25.

by becoming the regional mayor. In Cumbria the Tories have replaced

:05:26.:05:30.

labour as the largest party. Senior Conservatives are playing down

:05:31.:05:31.

expectations ahead of the general election.

:05:32.:05:32.

The turnout in local elections, of course,

:05:33.:05:34.

is much, much lower than a general election.

:05:35.:05:38.

It is wrong to predict what will happen on June the

:05:39.:05:41.

8th. We have a general election

:05:42.:05:42.

to campaign for and to win after last night, but encouraging signs.

:05:43.:05:49.

The Tories are celebrating in Essex, too. Voters turned their back on

:05:50.:05:59.

Ukip. In Lincolnshire, where the Ukip leader will fight for a

:06:00.:06:03.

Westminster seat next month, the party was wiped out. With no wins so

:06:04.:06:06.

far, the Ukip future is in question. The amount of times

:06:07.:06:08.

I have heard that Ukip is finished - if I had

:06:09.:06:12.

a pound for everyone, I would probably quite a rich woman.

:06:13.:06:14.

It is not over until it is over. And despite these pretty

:06:15.:06:18.

poor election results There was some positive news for a

:06:19.:06:31.

Labour. In Doncaster, they held onto the elected mayor's job. But the

:06:32.:06:36.

party as last scores of seeds in swing areas.

:06:37.:06:37.

These counties are the Tories' strongholds.

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It was going to be a tough night for Labour, and we're in

:06:40.:06:42.

the middle of the general election campaign.

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Mixed motives, people voting largely on local issues, not national ones.

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But what is coming across is that where people

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predicted we would be wiped out, in places like Wales,

:06:50.:06:51.

The Lib Dems are made so far it has been a mixed set of results for

:06:52.:07:01.

them. An enormous shift

:07:02.:07:02.

of Ukip voters to the Given that that happened,

:07:03.:07:07.

we have done well to stay The Green Party says with the

:07:08.:07:19.

Conservatives dominating, other parties need to collaborate.

:07:20.:07:20.

There is a strong message that people want the parties to be

:07:21.:07:23.

working together rather than against one another.

:07:24.:07:25.

Under this kind of system it is clear when we stand

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against one another, we lose ground and the Conservatives gain.

:07:29.:07:36.

Local election results do not translate directly to a general

:07:37.:07:43.

election. But they are a significant barometer. The outcome will

:07:44.:07:46.

influence the tactics of the main parties in the next few weeks. For

:07:47.:07:50.

some, the results have been too close to call. The Tories were

:07:51.:07:55.

denied an overall majority in Northumberland after the Lib Dem

:07:56.:07:59.

candidate literally drew the longest straw. For now though, it is back to

:08:00.:08:02.

the counting. There is plenty of that to be done.

:08:03.:08:11.

The President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker,

:08:12.:08:12.

has said the English language is losing its importance.

:08:13.:08:14.

During a conference in Italy on the state of the European Union,

:08:15.:08:17.

Mr Juncker chose to speak in French, due to the presidential elections

:08:18.:08:20.

I'm agitated between English and French. But I made my choice. I will

:08:21.:08:29.

express myself in French. APPLAUSE.

:08:30.:08:39.

Because slowly but surely English is losing importance in Europe.

:08:40.:08:44.

The final day of campaigning has begun in the French presidential

:08:45.:08:46.

Voters will choose between Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen.

:08:47.:08:57.

Meanwhile Mr Macron has filed a lawsuit over online rumours

:08:58.:09:00.

that he had a secret bank account in the Caribbean.

:09:01.:09:02.

He has strongly denied the allegations.

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That is a summary of the news. Now back to you Edwards.

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Welcome back. Lots to talk about. We have taken stock. I have shown you

:09:23.:09:30.

some of the figures. The Conservatives have made quite solid

:09:31.:09:34.

gains. Labour had a disappointing performance. Peter Kellner is here.

:09:35.:09:40.

Some headline thoughts. What are your thoughts at this stage? Clearly

:09:41.:09:45.

very good for the Conservatives. They have beaten all the predictions

:09:46.:09:48.

that were made ahead of yesterday as to how they would do. Certainly in

:09:49.:09:54.

England. To some degree in Wales. Probably Scotland but it is early

:09:55.:09:59.

days. Disappointing for a Labour. Both against where they should be at

:10:00.:10:03.

this stage and against the expectations, which were very low

:10:04.:10:08.

before yesterday. I think also the Liberal Democrats and the SNP will

:10:09.:10:11.

be disappointed. Ukip, it's a catastrophe. One of the big picture

:10:12.:10:20.

points, each time we have local elections, there are bits of Britain

:10:21.:10:24.

that didn't vote yesterday, London didn't vote, the big metropolitan

:10:25.:10:27.

cities did not vote on the whole, and that is where the Remain vote

:10:28.:10:33.

which lost the referendum is strongest. There is a big gap in our

:10:34.:10:36.

understanding as to whether Labour or the Liberal Democrats might be

:10:37.:10:41.

appearing to underperform because most of the English votes have been

:10:42.:10:49.

cast in Leave England. You extending that note of caution to most people

:10:50.:10:56.

who want to read into what will happen in four Weeks? I wouldn't

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read specific numbers into what will happen. But two general elections in

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the 1980s, which came in 1983 and in 1987. In 1983, the Tory lead in the

:11:09.:11:13.

local elections was three percentage points. The opinion polls gave them

:11:14.:11:21.

a lead of 10%. They won the general election by 15. Similar in 1987.

:11:22.:11:27.

Local elections showed a modest Tory lead, they won big. Past performance

:11:28.:11:33.

does not guarantee what happens in the future. In as far as we have

:11:34.:11:38.

something like an equivalent pattern going into a June election with the

:11:39.:11:41.

Conservatives ahead in the polls, look at what happened in the locals

:11:42.:11:47.

then, in the campaigns then. It does not look good for a Labour.

:11:48.:11:55.

A quick note. I'm going to go to west Sussex, areas where the Lib

:11:56.:11:58.

Dems have held seats in the past. A note on the Lib Dems? Their

:11:59.:12:04.

performances party. They were hoping they would make net gains. They are

:12:05.:12:10.

making gains in some places, losses in others. Tom may have better award

:12:11.:12:17.

by Ward data. It is not clear to me that tactical voting is happening on

:12:18.:12:22.

the left of politics very much. On the right what we can say is that

:12:23.:12:26.

where the Ukip vote was biggest, four years ago, that is where the

:12:27.:12:33.

Conservatives have gained this time. Look at Essex, look at Lincolnshire.

:12:34.:12:39.

If there is going to be tactical voting, it might be more efficient

:12:40.:12:42.

on the right of politics than on the left. Let's get some evidence. Let's

:12:43.:12:49.

go to West Sussex. Wording. Peter Henley is there. Where are you so

:12:50.:12:58.

far? -- Worthing. Across the south of England, the Conservatives doing

:12:59.:13:02.

well. Ukip wiped out in Hampshire. Last ten seats. A lot of nervous

:13:03.:13:09.

faces here. West Sussex, Ukip is the official opposition to the

:13:10.:13:13.

Conservatives. In general, the shire counties are Conservative dominated.

:13:14.:13:19.

Some government MPs were saying they felt their harshest critics were on

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the Schar county councils over school funding and social care. --

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shire. There are worried faces in Ukip. They should be able to hold

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one seed. It may be the only Ukip seed they hold. They have got 54% of

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the vote. -- they got 54% of the vote in 2013. Fingers crossed they

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can at least hold onto something. It thought about the Lib Dem

:13:51.:13:56.

performance on the south coast? What would you say? They picked up one in

:13:57.:14:01.

Hampshire. You mentioned Eastleigh. It is a stronghold, Eastleigh. They

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still have the district council. I think that as buoyed them by little

:14:07.:14:10.

bit for the general election. In the by-election they held onto it. They

:14:11.:14:14.

lost it in the general. The Lib Dems are hoping they make come back in

:14:15.:14:19.

Eastleigh. They seem to be able to pick off individual areas. They

:14:20.:14:24.

picked off in Dorset the leader of the Council, the Conservative

:14:25.:14:27.

leader. The same thing happened in Somerset. Looking at the Hampshire

:14:28.:14:37.

figures, ten gains for the Tories. A single gain for the Lib Dems. Ukip

:14:38.:14:45.

taking that hit, losing eight seeds. Whatever the reason people are

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giving for not voting Ukip this time when they voted in such big numbers

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in 2013? They say, what is the point? Brexit is happening. Even in

:14:58.:15:02.

areas where there were strong Leave votes. Ukip have not made the impact

:15:03.:15:07.

in local government we might have expected. Interesting quote from

:15:08.:15:12.

Aaron Banks, who has just said that the current leadership has crashed

:15:13.:15:15.

the car at the first bend of the race. Ukip on the current leadership

:15:16.:15:19.

without positive radical politics it is finished as an electoral force.

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Is that a theme, given what you have just said, that will chime with

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people? Yes, absolutely. They don't seem unhappy about it. Talking to

:15:34.:15:37.

the Ukip people, they say they have done their job. And in local

:15:38.:15:40.

government I think they did feel lost. How can they campaign on

:15:41.:15:45.

something like school funding? How can they offer a protest vote? I

:15:46.:15:49.

will be watching the Green Party closely as well. They have high

:15:50.:15:52.

hopes on the Isle of Wight, where the Conservatives took back the

:15:53.:15:57.

council and independents went down. Also in Dorset they picked up a seat

:15:58.:16:01.

there. I think the Greens feel they may be able to get some of those

:16:02.:16:05.

protest votes, particularly from Remainers. Straight to Cornwall.

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Martyn Oates is there. Can you give me your thoughts on what is going

:16:17.:16:24.

on? Broad thoughts. The broad picture in the south-west, as ever,

:16:25.:16:28.

really, is the great conflict between the Conservatives and the

:16:29.:16:34.

Lib Dems. Here in Cornwall, the Lib Dems fancy their chances of taking

:16:35.:16:39.

overall control. I suspect they may be sobered by that result in

:16:40.:16:43.

Somerset, where they took the scalp of the Tory leader of the council

:16:44.:16:47.

but saw the Tories reinforce their hold on the council. More

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specifically about the Conservative performance and where you think it

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has done well and where they have been vulnerable? ? Well, the Lib

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Dems were optimistic in Somerset. Clearly that has been disproven by

:17:02.:17:06.

the results. A very interesting result just in from Devon. The

:17:07.:17:13.

former Liberal Democrat MP lost his seat in 2010 and went on to become a

:17:14.:17:17.

county council. He has just lost his council seat to the Tories. We are

:17:18.:17:24.

just looking at the Somerset figures. Six gains for the Tories,

:17:25.:17:40.

six losses for the Lib Dems. In your experience, has the Ukip vote fed to

:17:41.:17:45.

the Conservatives? It looks as if that is happening. It is also

:17:46.:17:50.

interesting to look at the Ukip presents in council zones in the

:17:51.:17:53.

south-west anyway. In Cornwall at the last election they won six

:17:54.:17:58.

seats, which was quite a dramatic breakthrough, through resignations

:17:59.:18:01.

and by-elections that dwindled to just one in this election. That

:18:02.:18:05.

single Ukip councillor is standing again. But they are really not

:18:06.:18:11.

defending very much. Yes, the mood of the vote, the shift of the vote

:18:12.:18:17.

across the region, seems to be very much from Ukip to the Conservatives.

:18:18.:18:21.

A final fraud on the parliamentary battles ahead, with usual caution

:18:22.:18:26.

about translating these local results, because there are so many

:18:27.:18:30.

local issues. What is your sense of it? I have no doubt of the Lib Dems

:18:31.:18:39.

nationally would be looking at these elections as a pointer as to whether

:18:40.:18:44.

they might be able to make big gains or Anni gains at the general

:18:45.:18:50.

election. The Cornwall result may be one to watch. If they do gain

:18:51.:19:00.

overall control in Cornwall, they are the biggest group already. In

:19:01.:19:06.

Ukip terms, a lot of talk here, not finalised, but you not standing

:19:07.:19:11.

candidates against Cornish MPs, three of them at least, who were

:19:12.:19:18.

seen to be staunch Brexiteers. In terms of vote shift already, that is

:19:19.:19:22.

potentially ominous for the Lib Dem challenges.

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Martin, thank you. Tom, you wanted to talk about the

:19:28.:19:30.

south-west. We are now talking about it. What about the Lib Dem

:19:31.:19:40.

performance? I accepted his party. However, in these seats we want to

:19:41.:19:43.

regain the general election, there are good signs. Dorset going

:19:44.:19:51.

slightly closer to England, Eastleigh, places like Cheltenham.

:19:52.:19:54.

Where the Liberal Democrats have worked hard, we are actually

:19:55.:19:59.

managing to improve, even if that is not filtering through to additional

:20:00.:20:04.

council seats. If you look at Somerset, although we lost seats,

:20:05.:20:09.

the percentage vote for the Lib Dems went up 5%. There is some hope

:20:10.:20:14.

there. It is something to build on. In many of the seats that we lost,

:20:15.:20:17.

the margins were not necessarily that big. A shift potentially opens

:20:18.:20:24.

up some of those seats for the Liberal Democrats. Is that kind of

:20:25.:20:28.

increment going to give you more confidence going into the general

:20:29.:20:33.

election? Well, yes. I think it will. Places like Eastleigh where we

:20:34.:20:40.

took seats, including from Ukip, three seats. That puts us in a

:20:41.:20:44.

strong position. In Cheltenham we took Mac -- took seven out of ten

:20:45.:20:49.

seats. Whether it is those towns, the south-west, there is potential.

:20:50.:20:53.

The strong message we are trying to put across is that if people want an

:20:54.:20:57.

opposition, they should support the Liberal Democrats. It is very clear

:20:58.:21:01.

that Labour have not provided that opposition. And we want to be strong

:21:02.:21:04.

enough to have the large enough numbers in parliament to do that in

:21:05.:21:08.

what does look increasingly likely to be a Conservative government,

:21:09.:21:12.

either with a majority or potentially a very large majority.

:21:13.:21:16.

And I hope some people will think twice about that. Ukip voters who

:21:17.:21:19.

have switched to the Tories may think it is job done. Brexit is

:21:20.:21:27.

under way. Conservative voters may want to start thinking about what it

:21:28.:21:30.

means for things like the funding of the NHS, the funding of schools.

:21:31.:21:37.

Will those issues be better addressed by conservatives, would

:21:38.:21:40.

they like opposition MPs to argue the case for better investment? I

:21:41.:21:45.

haven't met many Ukip voters thinking about voting Lib Dems. That

:21:46.:21:53.

is what you are implying. Surely they are not coming from a

:21:54.:21:58.

background, whether natural port is going to be the Lib Dems? It has

:21:59.:22:02.

always been the case that the majority of Ukip voters, the

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Conservative Party is there a natural alternative. It is also true

:22:06.:22:14.

there is not a 100% chance that Mac transfer you -- of Ukip voters to

:22:15.:22:17.

the Conservatives. I think the Lib Dems, with the

:22:18.:22:21.

greatest respect, are whistling in the wind. They have bet the house on

:22:22.:22:26.

this right or wrong position on the EU. It will not, go off. The Labour

:22:27.:22:34.

Party represent the most anti-Brexit constituencies and the sixth six

:22:35.:22:40.

most pro. We have tried to provide a national approach. One thing on

:22:41.:22:46.

Ukip. The swift Ukip collapse is quite extraordinary. I don't think

:22:47.:22:49.

we have seen anything like this in modern times. Even the SNP held on

:22:50.:22:54.

for longer. The general election is a completely different ball game. We

:22:55.:22:58.

have to make the case that a vote for Theresa May is a vote in the

:22:59.:23:03.

national interest. The question for Dianne is, you have been an MP for

:23:04.:23:10.

30 years, I think, this year. Very experienced, long-standing and

:23:11.:23:12.

respected member of Parliament. Surely it must be depressing seeing

:23:13.:23:17.

the leadership that Jeremy Corbyn is offering to the Labour Party at the

:23:18.:23:23.

moment? Sam, I don't find Jeremy Corbyn's leadership depressing at

:23:24.:23:26.

all. It is precisely because I have been an MP for a long time, I know

:23:27.:23:30.

we live in a very interesting times where the past is not a predictor of

:23:31.:23:35.

the future. Tories have always gone on for a big opinion poll leads to

:23:36.:23:40.

have a win in a general election. The past is not a predictor of the

:23:41.:23:43.

future. There is everything to play for.

:23:44.:23:47.

We have the final result in from Cardiff, which Dianne will like.

:23:48.:23:51.

Labour holding onto Cardiff. 40 seats on Cardiff City Council. Can

:23:52.:23:57.

we have a look at the figures? The Conservatives on 20 having put up a

:23:58.:24:01.

strong performance. The Lib Dems on 11. Lied, Rihanna three. Just look

:24:02.:24:12.

at the difference. -- Plaid Cymru. The Tories have gained 13 seats in

:24:13.:24:18.

Cardiff. A strong performance. But Labour still in charge. The Lib Dems

:24:19.:24:23.

down five because there are strong pockets of Lib Dems supported areas

:24:24.:24:30.

in Cardiff. Plaid Cymru up one. That will be a disappointment. They were

:24:31.:24:33.

hoping for a bigger performance. That is the picture in Cardiff. The

:24:34.:24:39.

results Justin because that is the final Cardiff result. We were

:24:40.:24:42.

waiting for the last couple of Wards. What is going on in Scotland?

:24:43.:24:47.

Straight to Glasgow thoroughly latest on what is developing. Anita

:24:48.:24:54.

McVeigh will bring us up-to-date. Some more declarations made. Wins in

:24:55.:25:00.

a number of awards for the SNP, the Scottish Conservatives, the Greens

:25:01.:25:05.

and Labour as well. It was those declarations are little earlier that

:25:06.:25:09.

were perhaps the most significant so far. With those first three

:25:10.:25:12.

declarations we realised that Scottish Labour would not be able to

:25:13.:25:17.

have an overall majority here in Glasgow. And also there was an

:25:18.:25:22.

interesting win for the Conservatives in the ward of

:25:23.:25:25.

Shettleston, not an area where traditionally you might expect the

:25:26.:25:31.

Conservatives to make those gains. With me I have an E Wells, MSP from

:25:32.:25:36.

the Scottish Conservatives, and Katy Gordon from the Lib Dems. Firstly,

:25:37.:25:44.

to the gain at Shettleston. Was that something going into the contest you

:25:45.:25:48.

thought the Conservatives could win? I think Shettleston is probably one

:25:49.:25:52.

of the ones we thought we had a good chance in. We had campaigned there

:25:53.:25:58.

during the 2016 election and we could see the Labour vote was coming

:25:59.:26:03.

to us. We knew that independence was playing a part. Independence was

:26:04.:26:11.

playing a part. We found that people wanted the SNP. Even the local

:26:12.:26:20.

council issues, the local council issues are festering away.

:26:21.:26:23.

Independence was one of the key message is that we are the strong

:26:24.:26:28.

independent -- opposition to stand against the SNP. Katy Gordon, as it

:26:29.:26:33.

been hard to make your voice heard, to get your message across, in

:26:34.:26:37.

between the class of Labour and the SNP? What I'm really excited about

:26:38.:26:43.

is the areas where we are campaigning really hard and

:26:44.:26:45.

challenging for Westminster, that is where we are making the gains. We

:26:46.:26:51.

are tying to get local issues across despite national noise. Here in

:26:52.:27:02.

Glasgow? Glasgow, to be fair, it's difficult when there are two major

:27:03.:27:06.

competing parties and trying to get your voice heard is quite difficult.

:27:07.:27:10.

I go back to the fact that in the areas where we are hoping to win at

:27:11.:27:16.

Westminster, that is where we are doing well. Has it been a tactic for

:27:17.:27:20.

the Scottish Conservatives to wrap up the discussion on local issues in

:27:21.:27:23.

this pro union message that you have been talking about? We made it very

:27:24.:27:30.

clear we will call for growth as well. Each candidate has done local

:27:31.:27:35.

issues and had serviced on. However, we know Independence is huge. The

:27:36.:27:39.

First Minister only announced a few weeks of back. It is a big thing in

:27:40.:27:48.

Glasgow. Thank you both very much. As the day progresses, lots more

:27:49.:27:52.

wards still to be declared. Big things that we will be looking out

:27:53.:27:59.

for, will the SNP gained 43 seats? That magic number would mean they

:28:00.:28:04.

have overall control and overall majority of Glasgow Council, hosting

:28:05.:28:10.

Labour control after 40 years. That would be very significant. And we

:28:11.:28:12.

wait to see how well the Conservatives do, can they make the

:28:13.:28:18.

sort of games here in Glasgow and across Scotland that the opinion

:28:19.:28:20.

polls have been suggesting they might do? Back to the studio.

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Making the point about a big battle for a Labour. One of the biggest

:28:28.:28:31.

battles for Labour is can they hang on to Derbyshire? This has been a

:28:32.:28:34.

stronghold. They have in hanging on there with a pretty big majority.

:28:35.:28:40.

More than 20 last time. This is a halfway house, if you like. These

:28:41.:28:44.

figures I am showing you know. Look at that. So far, the Tories on 20,

:28:45.:28:55.

Labour on 15. We are looking at 35 out of 64 wards declared. It is

:28:56.:29:00.

basically halfway. But clearly, that is so far is strong Conservative

:29:01.:29:03.

performance. If you look at the change, that will tell you they have

:29:04.:29:08.

put on nine seats in Derbyshire so far. Labour down by nine seats. We

:29:09.:29:16.

are expecting another 30 results from those wards. We're nowhere near

:29:17.:29:21.

the final result. But it is obviously a strong Conservative

:29:22.:29:27.

performance so far. Let's talk to my colleague in Matlock in Derbyshire.

:29:28.:29:30.

Bring us up-to-date with how you see things?

:29:31.:29:35.

It is worse for a Labour then you just said. Look behind me, 27

:29:36.:29:42.

Conservative seats to 17 Labour. We are now in a position where Labour

:29:43.:29:46.

has lost 11 seats to the Conservatives. They have lost one to

:29:47.:29:50.

the Lib Dems. The majority has gone. This is a council which the

:29:51.:29:55.

Conservatives, to be fair, and I spoke to the party chairman when he

:29:56.:29:59.

was canvassing, didn't really secretly, privately, expect to take.

:30:00.:30:03.

But it seems they have. And it seems this is because the Ukip vote has

:30:04.:30:09.

pretty much been halved. Wherever Ukip was strong in 2013, half of

:30:10.:30:14.

their vote has gone to the Conservatives and they are winning a

:30:15.:30:18.

Labour heartlands. We are just looking at these vote

:30:19.:30:23.

share changes. We just saw that the Ukip losing 15%. That translating,

:30:24.:30:29.

as we saw just now coming to a boost for the Tories by 16%. The swings

:30:30.:30:35.

and roundabouts have moved very clearly. What are people saying

:30:36.:30:39.

about the reasons for the Ukip collapse? How do you read the

:30:40.:30:43.

picture? And very importantly, what are they saying about the Labour

:30:44.:30:47.

campaign and why Labour has been squeezed?

:30:48.:30:50.

S Two things have made Labour voters not turn out for Labour. Those are

:30:51.:30:58.

the EU referendum and the party leader Jeremy Corbyn. You go out on

:30:59.:31:03.

the streets and people do not like Jeremy Corbyn as leader. They really

:31:04.:31:08.

just do not want to go and vote for Labour under those circumstances.

:31:09.:31:12.

Also, the EU issue very important here. I think that's shown by the

:31:13.:31:17.

fact that maybe those Ukip voters are now thinking they're going to

:31:18.:31:19.

vote Conservative because that's the way to get the Brexit deal that they

:31:20.:31:24.

want. Stay with us, Tony. I will show the figures for

:31:25.:31:28.

Nottinghamshire. So far, this again is roughly halfway. In the a final

:31:29.:31:38.

result. 25 to the Tories, eight to Labour, four independents. I'm

:31:39.:31:42.

stressing this is half a result. Four up for the Tories, five down

:31:43.:31:47.

for Labour. A comment on that and what that tells us? That tells us

:31:48.:31:54.

that Labour ran Nottinghamshire County Council and probably won't be

:31:55.:31:59.

running it tomorrow. That was a county where there was no overall

:32:00.:32:03.

control, but Labour ran it as the majority party. That's simply not

:32:04.:32:07.

going to be the case tomorrow. It looks like if halfway through, any

:32:08.:32:11.

way, it looks like Labour will lose Nottinghamshire. Labour, remember,

:32:12.:32:16.

was the Council where both the Conservatives and Labour launched

:32:17.:32:21.

their local election campaign. It seems the Conservatives have been

:32:22.:32:27.

successful. Thanks very much. I must go to Dianne first of all. Not just

:32:28.:32:32.

Nottinghamshire, on the Derbyshire result, if that goes in that

:32:33.:32:35.

direction, you know, that's a massive set back isn't it? If the

:32:36.:32:41.

result is what these results appear to indicate, they will be

:32:42.:32:44.

disappointing results. As far as the general election is concerned, we're

:32:45.:32:49.

not even at the halftime. We will see what happens when the whittle

:32:50.:32:55.

blown for full-time. That very forth right message there about Jeremy

:32:56.:32:58.

Corbyn I mean, Tony saying that was his experience on the streets

:32:59.:33:02.

following candidates as they were canvassing. Again, it's not easy for

:33:03.:33:07.

you to swerve that Dianne, isn't it really? It is an issue for lots of

:33:08.:33:13.

voters It's an issue for some voters, though not voters I'm

:33:14.:33:15.

talking to. This is not a presidential election. I think that

:33:16.:33:21.

the electorate may sicken of the notion the Tories are trying to

:33:22.:33:25.

peddle that this is a presidential election, we vote for president

:33:26.:33:30.

Theresa May. I believe Tory triumphalism may be their undoing. I

:33:31.:33:34.

completely get the presidential point you're making. Of course I do.

:33:35.:33:41.

But ultimately, if your potential supporters or your previous

:33:42.:33:44.

supporters are saying to you, look, the leader is an issue for us.

:33:45.:33:48.

Regardless of any notions of a presidential campaign, the leader is

:33:49.:33:51.

an issue for us, that's something that you have to tackle. Yes, we

:33:52.:33:56.

have to tackle it. Jeremy is going all around the country. He's meeting

:33:57.:34:01.

and speaking and engaging with people. What we find is when people

:34:02.:34:05.

really engage with our leader, much of the stuff that the Tories are

:34:06.:34:11.

peddling falls away. You're right, we don't have a presidential system.

:34:12.:34:17.

But in general election is more presidential than local election.

:34:18.:34:21.

People could Vote Labour yesterday confident there's no way their vote

:34:22.:34:25.

to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister. Come a general election,

:34:26.:34:31.

mightn't you lose some of the votes you had yesterday because of the

:34:32.:34:35.

Jeremy Corbyn factor? Again, go back to the 80s, go back to the 70s,

:34:36.:34:39.

places where Labour would do very well in local elections, very badly

:34:40.:34:43.

nationally, places like Norwich for example, in '83, where they love the

:34:44.:34:47.

Labour Council, voted Labour in the Council elections. A month later,

:34:48.:34:58.

voted Tory because they didn't want Michael foot to be prm. Isn't there

:34:59.:35:03.

a danger that these figures, disappointing though they are,

:35:04.:35:06.

overstate Labour support? I understand what you're saying, as

:35:07.:35:10.

you know better than I, this is a relatively low turnout type of

:35:11.:35:14.

election, on' general, we have a higher turnout. I believe that

:35:15.:35:19.

Labour voters will be repelled by Tory triumphalism and the notion of

:35:20.:35:23.

giving Theresa May some kind of plank cheque. -- blank cheque. The

:35:24.:35:28.

idea of the Conservatives peddling views about Jeremy Corbyn. What

:35:29.:35:31.

we've been hearing time and again today are the views of voters about

:35:32.:35:36.

Jeremy Corbyn not the Conservatives' views about Jeremy Corbyn and that

:35:37.:35:43.

his leadership is weak and floun dearing. That's for the Labour

:35:44.:35:44.

Party. The choice will be between a weak and floundering Jeremy Corbyn.

:35:45.:36:04.

Elections tell us something significant but is it a cast iron

:36:05.:36:08.

guarantee that the precise configuration of votes in five

:36:09.:36:11.

weeks, no of course, not. It doesn't mean they tell us nothing. They tell

:36:12.:36:15.

us something because the Prime Minister has by launching this

:36:16.:36:18.

barrage against the European Union the day before the Council elections

:36:19.:36:22.

made this partially about Brexit. So I think it is, to some extent, a

:36:23.:36:26.

reflection of what's likely to happen in the general election. Same

:36:27.:36:31.

with the Ukip vote for instance. I have another result from south

:36:32.:36:37.

Ayrshire. This is a hung Council. Some of these Scottish results

:36:38.:36:42.

coming through a little more rapidly. We will get more now

:36:43.:36:47.

through to 2pm. 12 seats to the Conservatives there. Nine to the

:36:48.:36:52.

SNP. Labour on five. The independents on two. The change from

:36:53.:36:56.

last time and we see that the Conservatives have modest gain of

:36:57.:36:59.

two seats. The SNP also. Labour losing four seats. It is a hung

:37:00.:37:03.

Council. Short by three of a majority. That's the latest result

:37:04.:37:09.

in from Scotland. Waiting for us patiently outside Parliament is

:37:10.:37:13.

Douglas Carswell. Good afternoon, thanks for waiting patiently to talk

:37:14.:37:18.

to us Hi there. What do you think of it so far? Speaking as Ukip's first

:37:19.:37:22.

and last member of Parliament, I'm delighted with this result. A lot of

:37:23.:37:26.

people like me, 3. 8 million of us supported Ukip at the last election

:37:27.:37:29.

because we were so passionate about that referendum. Now what we need to

:37:30.:37:33.

do is make sure that Theresa May gets a megamandate to go and make

:37:34.:37:37.

sure that we get on with it and get Brexit and get the deal that's in

:37:38.:37:43.

our interesting. It's wonderful to watch. For the former colleagues of

:37:44.:37:47.

yours, telling us today this is all about a challenge to rebrand, it's a

:37:48.:37:50.

challenge to get new leadership, to get the party to put forward new,

:37:51.:37:54.

radical policies. There is a future for Ukip. What do you say to them?

:37:55.:37:57.

There are a lot of good people in Ukip. I wouldn't want to say

:37:58.:38:01.

anything unkind. We all know that it's over. We all know that the, you

:38:02.:38:05.

know, let's be Frank, I'd be surprised if Ukip field more than

:38:06.:38:08.

100 candidates in the general election. I don't mean that an

:38:09.:38:13.

aggressive, insulting way, it's a reflection of the fact that

:38:14.:38:17.

thousands of Ukip supporters and activists realise that the only way

:38:18.:38:20.

to make sure we get the deal that we need to get is to make sure that

:38:21.:38:24.

Theresa May has a megamoney date on June 8. There are all sorts of areas

:38:25.:38:33.

where we can disagree to the Tories. Theresa May's candidates have to be

:38:34.:38:38.

returned to the building behind me so she with make sure we get the

:38:39.:38:42.

deal in our interests and that's why we will see big support. We get a

:38:43.:38:48.

lot of straight switches in the general elections, I hope that's

:38:49.:38:52.

replicated in the general election. Just look at the figures here. While

:38:53.:38:57.

you're with us. I'm looking at the figureses for England and the share

:38:58.:39:02.

change since 2013. They're quite remarkable. We're looking at the

:39:03.:39:09.

share change since 2013. 13% up for the Tories, 2% down for Labour. 3%

:39:10.:39:14.

up for the Lib Dems. You were saying that, that's the

:39:15.:39:23.

precise point you were making. Absolutely. Isn't it a compliment to

:39:24.:39:28.

Britain's political culture that this mood of anti-establishment

:39:29.:39:31.

politics is manifested in record support for a vicar's daughter from

:39:32.:39:34.

Maidenhead. Compare that to what's happening in France. This is a great

:39:35.:39:38.

news for the country and our democracy. I'm not sure is Theresa

:39:39.:39:43.

May sees herself as the anti-establishment candidate. That's

:39:44.:39:50.

why she's doing so well. She's the anti-establishment candidate and

:39:51.:39:52.

insurgent candidate. For those people who, you know, you've been

:39:53.:39:55.

campaigning in recent years, telling people that Ukip is the answer, and

:39:56.:39:59.

this is before Brexit and to some extent after it, I'm just wondering

:40:00.:40:02.

what they make now of a message from you, which is now radically

:40:03.:40:06.

different again in party terms? There was a window of opportunity

:40:07.:40:12.

for six to eight weeks after the Rochester by-election, where we

:40:13.:40:17.

could have been a Libertarian version of the SDP, but we didn't

:40:18.:40:21.

change gear. We didn't change our tone. That window of opportunity has

:40:22.:40:27.

closed. I think the sensible thing for anyone out there who used to

:40:28.:40:31.

support Ukip is to recognise that no party is perfect, but it's the

:40:32.:40:35.

choice between a chaotic Corbyn administration and Theresa May

:40:36.:40:38.

getting on with it. On that basis alone, we will see the vast majority

:40:39.:40:42.

of Ukip voters at the last general election make that change too. I

:40:43.:40:45.

made that change. It's a difficult change to make. But you know, we

:40:46.:40:48.

shouldn't make this with any sense of regret. We do this as a party

:40:49.:40:59.

that's been 10 successful. -- has been 100% successful. Aaron Banks

:41:00.:41:04.

said today the current leadership has crashed the car at the first

:41:05.:41:09.

bend of the race. Ukip without positive, radical policies is

:41:10.:41:12.

finished as an electoral force. The point is that he's saying that

:41:13.:41:16.

possibly with positive, radical policies it wouldn't be finished. I

:41:17.:41:21.

don't, with respect, take Aaron with anything more than a pirchling of

:41:22.:41:25.

salt. You know -- pinch of all the. He's entitled to his views as are

:41:26.:41:31.

other members. What really matters is what the 3. 8 million Ukip voters

:41:32.:41:36.

decide to do. It's clear that whatever the leadership in Ukip

:41:37.:41:39.

decides, the core support, the people who voted for us last time,

:41:40.:41:43.

they're off. We've lost about half our vote, I reckon in the next

:41:44.:41:51.

three, four weeks we will see Ukip down to 1% or 2% in the polls.

:41:52.:41:56.

That's good, we've done our job. Thank you very much for joining us

:41:57.:42:00.

at Westminster. I'm going to pop along to our other studio and talk

:42:01.:42:03.

to John Curtis, who has been looking in detail at some of these figures.

:42:04.:42:09.

Our resident expert and analyst. John, first of all, on the Ukip

:42:10.:42:18.

point, with Douglas Carswell predicting they'll be down to 2% in

:42:19.:42:23.

the polls, he has a bit of an agenda on this, but what do you make of the

:42:24.:42:28.

Ukip picture? The Ukip vote has fallen away in the last couple of

:42:29.:42:33.

weeks because many voters, Douglas Carswell suggests has decided

:42:34.:42:36.

they're voting for the Conservative Party is the best way to realise

:42:37.:42:40.

their vision of Brexit. Whether the vote is in truth going to fall away

:42:41.:42:43.

further, I'm not so sure. If you look at the details of the opinion

:42:44.:42:47.

polls, there was a sudden drop in Ukip support the moment that Theresa

:42:48.:42:52.

May announced the election. Since then it's tended to hold steady. In

:42:53.:42:57.

truth, the kind of figures we've been seeing in the results are

:42:58.:43:01.

pretty much consistent with the 6%, 7% that the party has been getting

:43:02.:43:05.

in the opinion polls. I'm not sure we should necessarily assume the

:43:06.:43:08.

rest of it will disappear. There will be some people who actually do

:43:09.:43:13.

feel that the Conservative Party are not tough enough on immigration,

:43:14.:43:17.

doubt whether they will deliver the Brexit they want or think of it as

:43:18.:43:20.

being too much of the establishment. I suspect some of the Ukip vote will

:43:21.:43:26.

survive. With the Labour performance, we had a provisional

:43:27.:43:29.

result in Derbyshire, for example, which if it was carried through

:43:30.:43:33.

would be a massive blow. What do you make of Labour's performance? I

:43:34.:43:37.

think one important pattern to be aware of is that the biggest swings

:43:38.:43:43.

against Labour in England have been in the wards where Labour were

:43:44.:43:49.

previously strongest and that is also reflected in the councils which

:43:50.:43:53.

have swung most against Labour. They are Northumberland, a council which

:43:54.:43:56.

perhaps on a better day Labour would have won control of, almost went to

:43:57.:44:01.

the Conservatives. Derbyshire, which they hope to control and retain

:44:02.:44:04.

control of. That isn't going to happen. And evidently the same thing

:44:05.:44:08.

is happening in Nottinghamshire. Those were the three most Labour

:44:09.:44:12.

councils, apart from Durham, that were voting today. They are the

:44:13.:44:15.

councils where Labour are apparently in most trouble. Of course, that

:44:16.:44:20.

means, if this were to translate into the general election, it does

:44:21.:44:24.

therefore mean that maybe even if the Conservative lead is a little

:44:25.:44:28.

bit less than the opinion polls might suggest, the impact in terms

:44:29.:44:33.

of seats could still be very, very substantial because if the swing

:44:34.:44:36.

against Labour is greatest in the seats it's trying to defend, ergo,

:44:37.:44:41.

Labour is going to lose more seats than otherwise would be the case.

:44:42.:44:44.

There's going to be some concern inside the Labour Party,

:44:45.:44:48.

particularly how perhaps some of its traditional support bases seem to be

:44:49.:44:54.

being eroded as evidenced by local elections. If you were in

:44:55.:44:57.

Conservative central office today or whatever they call the headquarters,

:44:58.:45:02.

how optimistic should they be in terms of talking about, as they were

:45:03.:45:08.

recently, a possible land slide? I think I would still reckon I have a

:45:09.:45:11.

reasonable chance of getting there. I would certainly also be encouraged

:45:12.:45:15.

by the progress being made in Scotland, which will help. I think

:45:16.:45:18.

the one word of caution would be, what I'd look at for this afternoon

:45:19.:45:22.

are the results from the city regional mayor contests. In some

:45:23.:45:26.

ways they're difficult to read, because personalities will matter

:45:27.:45:30.

more. But given what happened in Bristol, if it were to be the case

:45:31.:45:37.

that perhaps in more urban England the Conservative advance isn't so

:45:38.:45:40.

great, maybe actually then there will be a little degree of cause of

:45:41.:45:45.

concern. Thing to watch out for this afternoon: What happens in

:45:46.:45:47.

Birmingham. Though the truth is Labour are going to win in Liverpool

:45:48.:45:50.

and Manchester, how much does the Tory vote go up in places like that

:45:51.:45:55.

as well. A final thought about the picture in Scotland. We were talking

:45:56.:45:58.

earlier about the prospects there for the Conservatives and SNP and

:45:59.:46:02.

indeed Labour, of course, in Glasgow, because we know what the

:46:03.:46:04.

picture is there. What would you say St -- say? We were expecting the

:46:05.:46:12.

Conservatives to make a substantial advance. That's happening. We

:46:13.:46:16.

expected the SNP to advance, but we didn't know by how much. On the

:46:17.:46:20.

evidence so far, probably not as much as the SNP would like therefore

:46:21.:46:24.

not doing as well as in the last couple of elections. One word of

:46:25.:46:27.

warning, of course, because the Conservatives have got a councillor

:46:28.:46:31.

in Shettleston does not mean they are the most popular party.

:46:32.:46:38.

Remember, this is proportional representation, getting 25% of the

:46:39.:46:40.

vote will get awe I Councillor in Scotland. Therefore -- get you a

:46:41.:46:46.

Councillor in Scotland. The geography is rather different than

:46:47.:46:49.

England because it's not a winner take all system. Shropshire, let's

:46:50.:46:51.

look at the results there. This is a partial result. We see a

:46:52.:47:16.

very strong Conservative performance. So far the changes look

:47:17.:47:18.

like this: 57 of 74 declared. That's the

:47:19.:47:32.

picture there in Shropshire. Just a quick look at percentages. 51% of

:47:33.:47:35.

the vote so far. I want to go to North West Wales and

:47:36.:47:49.

look at Gwynedd. So what we're going to do now is

:47:50.:48:28.

chat around this table here. Peter, your thoughts on what we heard from

:48:29.:48:31.

John Curtis and the results we've just had. Yeah, a few minutes ago

:48:32.:48:37.

you showed the national vote change. If you put Labour and Liberal

:48:38.:48:41.

Democrats together and say that's prot yes, sirrive block and --

:48:42.:48:48.

that's progressive block. And then the Conservative block as well.

:48:49.:48:53.

There's a slight swing from right to left since four years ago. But the

:48:54.:48:58.

right has gained seats, the left has lost seats. The Conservatives have

:48:59.:49:02.

gained more than Ukip have lost. Labour and Liberal Democrats are

:49:03.:49:05.

down. This has some significance for the general election. It shows that

:49:06.:49:09.

when one side is divided, as the right was four years ago, through

:49:10.:49:13.

Conservative and Ukip, you don't do as well as when that side comes

:49:14.:49:17.

together. Whereas the left is more divided. In seats terms it's bad

:49:18.:49:25.

news for Labour. One quick point for the Conservatives, if these vote

:49:26.:49:31.

shares hold up, then this could be the very best results that any

:49:32.:49:38.

governing party has had in local elections going back to 1979. It's

:49:39.:49:43.

touch-and-go as to whether it beats the local elections held in the

:49:44.:49:49.

middle of the Falklands War, when the Conservatives were massively

:49:50.:49:51.

popular, Margaret Thatcher was massively popular. It might beat

:49:52.:49:58.

even that in terms of the con-lab battle. Whether that tells us

:49:59.:50:01.

anything about five weeks' time, who knows. But like with like, this is

:50:02.:50:06.

significant. Peter can say that with some confidence. Within some hours,

:50:07.:50:13.

I'd have thought. North Tyneside. This is a mayoral result. This is a

:50:14.:50:17.

single authority mayor elections: Labour have held on in north

:50:18.:51:13.

Tyneside. Just a quick word on that Dianne, given that you've wanted to

:51:14.:51:19.

pin point Labour success as well. It's important to wait for the

:51:20.:51:24.

result of these big mayoralties, we will see when we get those results

:51:25.:51:29.

that Labour still has support in depth. These local elections don't

:51:30.:51:41.

tell us everything, all this talk of a megamandate, land slide, some

:51:42.:51:43.

voters will find that chilling and that will help us in the general

:51:44.:51:47.

election. Sam? The general election will be an historic one in terms of

:51:48.:51:51.

where we are in the country. It is important that whoever ends up as

:51:52.:51:54.

Prime Minister does so with the strongest possible mandate. Now

:51:55.:51:58.

Jeremy Corbyn has been leader of his Labour Party for longer than Theresa

:51:59.:52:01.

May has been leader of the Conservative Party. This is the

:52:02.:52:05.

first electoral test that they've both faced as leaders of their

:52:06.:52:09.

party. I think the results are beginning, very early days, speak

:52:10.:52:13.

for themselves. I agree with Dianne. We can't be complacent. But for

:52:14.:52:18.

different reasons. I think the risk on June 8 of Jeremy Corbyn as Prime

:52:19.:52:22.

Minister as too great. For the Lib Dems, we will clearly be fighting in

:52:23.:52:31.

the strong holds, places like Eastleigh, Cheltenham, the

:52:32.:52:34.

south-west. There will be an intense battle in the seats where we are

:52:35.:52:37.

Conservative facing, where there is now a very stark choice between a

:52:38.:52:40.

Conservative Party which I think has gone off onto the hard right, in

:52:41.:52:44.

terms of adopting a hard Brexit position. Where I think Liberal

:52:45.:52:48.

Democrats supporters and Labour voters need to look carefully at

:52:49.:52:51.

what do they want the outcome of the general election to be? Do they want

:52:52.:52:56.

to grant the Government a large mandate where they will railroad

:52:57.:53:00.

through some of the measures they have been trying to around school

:53:01.:53:03.

cuts and underfunding of the NHS or do they want an Opposition, the

:53:04.:53:06.

Liberal Democrats, there and able to challenge the Government to restrain

:53:07.:53:12.

their worst excesses in terms of what they might do after June 8.

:53:13.:53:17.

Another result in from north Ayrshire. Some of these Scottish

:53:18.:53:18.

results now coming in for us. This is one of those areas where

:53:19.:53:48.

traditionally in Parliamentary terms the Conservatives have had

:53:49.:53:52.

representation. I think I'm right, Sir George Younger was the MP for

:53:53.:53:57.

Ayr in years gone by. This is an area where the Conservatives

:53:58.:54:01.

certainly are making confident noises and they're putting on six

:54:02.:54:05.

seats in north Ayrshire. Let's see if that is repeated elsewhere. We

:54:06.:54:09.

want to talk about Cambridgeshire. Two things there, the county

:54:10.:54:14.

election and of course, one of these big Metro mayor election as well,

:54:15.:54:17.

Peterborough and Cambridge. Two things to talk about. Our

:54:18.:54:23.

correspondent is in Soham. Bring us up to date on the county contest

:54:24.:54:31.

first. Well, yes, big shock I suppose in terms of the County

:54:32.:54:38.

Council elections in that two of the most senior Ukip candidates have

:54:39.:54:44.

lost their seats to the Conservative. Pete Reeve was married

:54:45.:54:51.

to Linda Duffy, one of the Ukip candidates. That is a big

:54:52.:54:55.

disappointment for Ukip. Otherwise it is going fairly as expected. Two

:54:56.:55:01.

Ukip losses the big story here. That's one, now I must just to let,

:55:02.:55:06.

just to explain to viewers what are going on, six big mayoral contests

:55:07.:55:10.

are going on, these big city regions, all part of the

:55:11.:55:15.

Government's devolution strategy, handing power to the big city

:55:16.:55:21.

regions in some cases with a big budget, in some areas looking after

:55:22.:55:24.

transport, housing and things like that. This is one of the contests in

:55:25.:55:28.

your patch there. Tell us about that contest and when we should have a

:55:29.:55:34.

result on that. We should get a result at around about 5pm, we

:55:35.:55:37.

think. Counting has just got under way. As you say, for the mayor of

:55:38.:55:43.

Cambridgeshire, no results yet. We do have early turnout figures. This

:55:44.:55:48.

is across the six districts that are voting. No local elections here.

:55:49.:55:56.

Turnout is low, at just over 20%. Same story in Fendon. It is the

:55:57.:56:01.

turnout figures for Cambridge and south Cambridge that really provide

:56:02.:56:05.

the first clues as to who may be the final two candidates in the run-off.

:56:06.:56:10.

We do think it will go to second preference votes. Turnout of over

:56:11.:56:15.

40% in both Cambridge and south Cambridgeshire. That will only

:56:16.:56:18.

benefit the Liberal Democrats, who've been canvassing and

:56:19.:56:24.

campaigning aggressively on an anti-Brexit ticket in an area that

:56:25.:56:28.

voted remain. We think the Liberal Democrat candidate will be one of

:56:29.:56:33.

the two candidates in the run-off. Elsewhere, seven Parliamentary

:56:34.:56:36.

constituencies in Cambridgeshire, six of them Tory. All the councils

:56:37.:56:41.

have Tory jorts and we do think James Palmer, who has been the front

:56:42.:56:46.

runner throughout the race, he is likely, we think, to head off the

:56:47.:56:51.

Liberal Democrat challenge. It has been close to call throughout the

:56:52.:56:55.

campaign. It will go to the wider declaration at around 5pm

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Thanks very much for bringing us up to date. Another result in. This is

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Norfolk: The greens in Norfolk, that's

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interesting. The greens in the past have been quite confident in parts

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of Norfolk itself. They've lost three seats there. Looking at the

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change in the percentage share. I stress, I stress that is not the

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final result there. We're getting close to the lunch time news. I want

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to say thank you very much to Dianne and to Sam and Tom. You've been

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exemplary guests all of you, thank you very much. Peter, we'll talk

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against in a short while. Thank you very much. Now, the one o'clock news

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will be starting on BBC One. It will be on the BBC News channel too.

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That's all for now from our special coverage of the local elections in

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England, Scotland and Wales. We'll be back here at election centre on

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the BBC News channel and on BBC Two again this afternoon from 2pm with

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more results, so with thanks to all the guests. We thank you for

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watching and we'll see you later on. Bye for now.

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