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It is 2pm. Welcome back to viewers on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel


for our special live coverage of the local election results in England


and Wales and Scotland. Thousands of councillors


being elected overnight and today, responsible for delivering your


essential public services and all of this happening, unusually,


during a general election campaign. We'll have results as they're


declared and we'll be getting reaction from the parties


to what's going on. The Conservatives have had a very


good set of results so far. Results coming in within the past


hour, they've gained control of the Derbyshire, overall control of


Cambridgeshire, and Norfolk. Making gains in Nottinghamshire and parts


of Scotland as well. We'll have more details on that. Labour having a


turbulent time in England, Scotland and Wales, parts thereof. Strong


challenge from the SNP. In Wales they've lost Bridgend and Merthyr


Tydfil, keeping hold of Cardiff, Swansea and Newport. In England


they've lost more than 100 councillors, many to the Tories.


They've won the male role contest in the Liverpool city region. -- lost


the mayoral contest. And it has been a terrible night


for Ukip, overnight they lost every And the party has been wiped out


on councils like Lincolnshire, Their vote share is down


dramatically, most of it going In Scotland - the SNP have managed


to deprive Labour of an overall majority in Glasgow but we are not


yet sure if they have won overall control of Scotland's biggest


city for themselves. We're still waiting for most


of the results in Scotland. We'll keep a close eye on Birmingham


this afternoon. Not least for the Metro mayor race in the West


Midlands, set to be a very tight contest between Labour and the


Tories. We'll bring you the result in the West Midlands as soon as we


have it. There's another Metro mayor race, we'll see if Andy Burnham can


win the contest, another significant contest to keep tabs on today. So,


we're in the election studio, Peter Kellner resident analyst is with me


once again. I'm joined in the studio at this point by Karen Bradley for


the Conservatives, John Nicholson for the Scottish National Party and


down the line from Manchester, Andrew Quinn, Labour's campaign


chair. Thanks for joining us. We'll be with you in a few minutes to have


a chat about what's going on and ask you what you think of the trends so


far. Before all of that, let's have a look at where we are on the


scorecard, the all-important scorecard, to let you know where we


are. For all of you joining the coverage, a morning of following the


results. Lots of results to come, especially in Scotland. So far the


Conservatives, having made significant gains, 365 up in terms


of the number of seats. Labour having lost 258 councillors so


far... The Lib Dems down 36. The Scottish


National Party at this point having made one game in terms of seats. But


of course more contests to declare. The Greens have made four gains,


they are on 19 seats at the moment. We'll talk more about all of those


performances later. I'd like to show you the results before we have a


quick update on the news from Derbyshire. Let's have a look at


Derbyshire. This is a very, very important contest that has happened.


This is where Labour had its big majority of 22 after 2013. Look


what's happened, Tories on 37. A game from Labour. 24 to Labour. Look


at the difference from 2013, 19 seats up in Derbyshire. It was a


Labour stronghold, Labour having lost 19 seats. A punishing result


for Labour, a majority of ten in Derbyshire for the Conservatives.


It's kind of telling us what's been going on in lots of parts of


England. It's a complex picture and we're going to be looking in terms


of the trends in Scotland and Wales, too. That's where we are at the


moment. I'll be back in a second to talk about it all. It's a good


moment to catch up with the election stories, see the memorable images so


far, and the day's of the news. Let's say good afternoon to Jane.


The Conservatives have made big gains in the local elections,


recording their best results since 2008.


Many of the votes cast yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales


are still being counted, but Labour has fared


badly in many areas, including losing control


Ukip has seen its vote collapse, only winning a single seat so far.


The Liberal Democrats have had a mixed result,


and haven't found the breakthrough they had been hoping for.


Our first report is from our political


It's the Conservatives with the biggest cheers.


They gained overall control in nine councils including Derbyshire,


Cambridge and Lincolnshire. Tim Charles Bowles is duly elected


as the West of England Here in the West of England,


the Conservative candidate made history by becoming


the regional mayor. In Cumbria, the Tories have replaced


Labour as the largest party. But senior Conservatives are playing


down expectations ahead The turnout in local elections


of course, is much lower So it's wrong to predict what's


going to happen on June the 8th. We still have a general


election to campaign The Tories are celebrating in Essex


too, where this time round, In Lincolnshire, where Ukip's leader


Paul Nuttall will fight for a Westminster seat next month,


the party was wiped out. And with such big losses,


Ukip's future is in question. I've been in Ukip


now for four years. The amount of times I've heard


the phrase, "Ukip's finished, If I had a pound for every one,


I'd probably be quite a rich woman. It's not over until it's over


and despite these pretty poor election results so far,


it's not over. The party's lost


more than 250 seats. And in Glasgow, where Labour has


been in power for more than 30 years, it's now


lost overall control. These are counties which are


the Tory strongholds. It was going to be a tough


night for Labour anyway and we are in the middle


of a general election campaign, People are voting largely


on local issues, not What is coming across is where


people were predicting we would be wiped out in places like Wales,


we've done very well. The Lib Dems admit so far,


it's been a mixed set We held our ground in the face


of a massive shift, an enormous shift of Ukip voters


to the Conservatives and you know, given that happened,


we've done well to stay The Green party says


with the Tories dominating, Well I am worried about how well


the Conservatives have done in terms of both the Green Party,


but more broadly for the future I think that has to be a wake-up


call for parties on the left and the centre-left to think


about how we work together under For some, the results today have


been too close to call. The Tories denied an overall majority in


Northumberland after the Lib Dem candidate literally drew the longest


straw. For now, it's back to the counting. There is still plenty of


that to be done. Mr Rotherham, who represented Liverpool Walton, won


with 60% of the vote, he'll lead the region's combined authority in a


newly created role. One of the story to bring you, Jean-Claude Juncker


has said the English language is losing importance in Europe.


I hesitated between English and French. I made my choice. I will


express myself in French. APPLAUSE Because... Slowly but surely English


is losing importance in Europe. LAUGHTER


Jean-Claude Juncker speaking at a conference in Italy. That is all the


news for now, more through the afternoon. Now, let's go back to the


local election results and Hugh Edwards.


We'll be back with Jane later for the news. We are focusing on quite a


few big battle grounds this afternoon. There will be lots of


results coming in we can try to unpick. One of the biggest ones,


certainly, in terms of the power of the person being elected, in terms


of the budget of the person being elected, in terms of the real clash


of political cultures, is in the West Midlands, the contest for the


Metro mayor, the city region mayor, a battle between Labour and the


Conservatives. It's taking place under the preference system of


voting, so there could be quite a few stages. Let's talk to Patrick


Burns in Birmingham. Where are we on this Metro mayor election? Clearly


heading towards a photo finish between the Labour candidate Sean


Simon and conservative Andy Street. What we had so far is seven separate


counts. This is the largest, Birmingham. There is one in each of


the major metropolitan council areas in this part of the country. They


are bringing these votes together on the first round to see if they need


to go through to the second preference votes under the


supplementary vote system. A rather complicated thing to explain.


Essentially what we now know is Andy Street for the Conservatives, Sean


Simon goes through to the second round. On the counter so far, Sean


Simon has his nose ahead, if we're heading towards that photo finish.


If you factor in the votes potentially from the other


candidates now eliminated, second preference votes, there are enough


there to tilt the final result one Way Or Another. I'm sorry I couldn't


make it any more simple for you, it's a rather complex procedure. We


recommend is probably another three hours or so left in this. Both sides


say Labour say the battle is in play, the Conservatives say it is


too close to call. It confirms the impression I've had during the


course of this day, talking to people in the two principal parties


camps, neither side is displaying a great deal of confidence, they are


hoping for the best at this stage. It's a real knife edge photo finish


as we expected it would be. That's exciting, let's hope it comes within


the next three hours so we can report it and we're still on her. On


the candidates will be eliminated, tell us more about them and where


you think those votes could be expected


to go the first thing that stands out is that Ukip, as elsewhere in


the country, have performed very badly. Where we'll Ukip support go?


The logical thing to say is maybe you would expect Ukip switches to


head towards the Conservatives. The Greens have polled tolerably well


but the Liberal Democrats began there is an anti-Brexit factor.


Birmingham itself was evenly balanced between the two. Only 2000


votes Leave and Remain out of a total of. These are very narrow


margins. The vote... She finishes a third... When we're most of her


second preference votes go? There is obvious speculation both ways, one


Way Or Another, I don't want to add to the accumulation of fake news or


alternative facts, but I think it's true to say both the main candidates


have reason to consider their charge is alive. We'll be back to you if


there is a development. That is one of the contest in play. We have a


result in this group of six new mayors. They result in Liverpool.


We'll join the victor, Labour's Steve Rotherham. Many


congratulations to you. Thanks, Huw. I'm wondering what it is in terms of


Liverpool, I'll ask you about the national picture in a second. Can we


try to unpick the result in Liverpool. What was the campaign


fought on there? Well, it was fought on a manifesto that I put forward to


the 1.5 million people in our city region who overwhelmingly have


supported a Labour vision of the future of our city region, which,


when I say overwhelming, 60% overall. 70% in the city of


Liverpool alone. Are you disappointed with the turnout?


You'll be thrilled with the victory but the turnout was 26%, is it lower


than you thought? It was about what we predicted in all honesty, that's


because it's a new area, we haven't had a combined authority like other


areas, like Manchester have had for 25 or 30 years. So it's a new thing.


The first police and crime commission was about 12% so we've


done considerably better than that. It's about in line with what we


think is the turnout in the rest of the country. What is your message to


those Labour colleagues including Stephen Kinnock who we spoke to


earlier, saying results across Scotland England and Wales are a


disaster for labour and raise questions about the leadership, what


is your response to that? It's no surprise Stephen saying that, I know


him very well. I play in the Parliamentary football team with


Stephen and he's expressed his concerns before. What matters is


that in areas like ours we were able to put our message over. We have a


very strong mandate and our manifesto will be permitted in the


first hundred days. It's the best platform we can have to demonstrate


that Labour in power can be trusted. Fighting this campaign during a


general election campaign. To what extent where you also having to


contend with issues to do with the future of the UK in Europe and the


rest of it? There are certainly Brexit on the doorstep, but there


are all sorts of issues where that was confused. Local issues, local


council issues with what was happening with the Metro Mayor


because we've never had one before, so people didn't really understand


what the Metro Mayor was. We've got somebody called the Liverpool city


region including parts of Cheshire, there was confusion over that. It'll


settle down in three years, the people will have another opportunity


to decide who their Metro Mayor should be in 2020. I expect it will


get a decent mandate again in 2020. Steve Rotherham were to talk to you,


congratulations once again on your win in Liverpool. The new city


region mayor in Liverpool. Steve Rotherham. 43 needed for a majority


in Lancashire, the Conservatives have that. More results to come,


this is a partial result. 43 to the Tories, 12 to Labour, two to the Lib


Dems, what has happened since 2013? Let's have a look. The Conservatives


have put on ten seats in Lancashire, so we have 59 wards declared out of


84. Labour have lost nine. We have the Lib Dems 1-1, Ukip plus one, the


independents minus one. It's a sense for you of another big battle ground


going on. I'm going to bring in Andrew, the Labour campaign chair.


He is in Manchester today. Your thoughts, given we've been


talking to your colleague Steve Rotherham, on the board Labour


performance. Diane Abbott today has said lots of it is disappointing,


but she says everything is to play for on June the 8th. What is your


take? Of course it's disappointing when we lose that Labour colleagues


and good Labour candidates don't get elected. Some of the predictions,


particularly in places like Cardiff, Swansea and Newport, haven't come


out the way the pollsters suggested they might. We've had a good win in


the Liverpool city region and predict a very good win here in


greater Manchester. West Midlands is all to play for. It's a very mixed


picture but it doesn't underestimate the challenge facing the Labour


Party. And in parts of the country we've had results that aren't as


good as we would hope. What accounts for that, do you think? I think


there is a number of issues. Firstly, when you look at where we


are in the national opinion polls, Labour has managed to hold its vote


share reasonably well from 2013. What has happened is the Ukip vote


has collapsed and it has come in the main, gone to the Conservatives,


which has handed them a tranche of seats they lost four years ago. That


has been part of the problem. We must also do a lot better. We have a


general election on the 8th of June. We have five weeks to determine the


future for the next five years for this country. I believe we now need


to get on the ground, knock on doors, talking to people. Reminding


them Labour values are fundamentally devalues the British people support.


You didn't mention leadership as a factor, why is that? The leadership


issue was resolved last year when Labour Party members decided Jeremy


Corbyn would remain the leader of the Labour Party. We're in a general


election and for us it's about setting out that vision of a better,


fairer Britain, a Britain that works for the many, not the few. We've got


five weeks to hit the ground speaking to people, find out what


their hopes and worries are, as well as their dreams and aspirations. I


think when we start speaking to people, when we get that


transformational manifesto published, we can start to explain


the difference that a Labour Party in government for the next five


years will make to the communities we seek to represent in every part


of the United Kingdom. Labour campaign chair Andrew Gwynne, thank


you. We're in a position in BBC election Centre to give you a


projected national share of the vote. Let me tell you not what this


is but what it isn't. It's not some kind of forecast about Wolverhampton


on June the 8th, nothing like that. This is really a figure we've put


together, John Curtis and his team have put together, basically saying


what would have happened if all the country had voted in these local


elections yesterday. That is the sense of it for you. Let's have a


look at the projected national share. This is it. Giving the


Conservatives 38% on the projected national share. It gives Labour 27%,


the Lib Dems 18%, it gives Ukip 5% and the others 12%. If we look at


the change from the PNS we offered in 2015, it's showing the Tories up


by 3%, Labour down by 2%, Lib Dems up by 7%, Ukip down by 8%, don't


forget in 2015, we're not talking about 2013, the last local


elections, this is PNS from 2015. No change for the others. It's a very


important figure we've just offered you. I'll bring in John Curtis, the


resident expert. I want you to explain in clear terms what this


figure refers to. This is our estimate for how the country as a


whole would have voted if the movement since the English county


council election results were last fought over in 2013, if the movement


since then had been reflected across the country as a whole. It means the


calculation has been done on the same basis. As for the annual round


of English local elections. As you've already said, first of all,


this is definitely not a forecast of what will happen on June eight, it's


not even a statement of what would have happened if the general


election had been yesterday. It is an attempt to provide you with a


simple summary measure of the overall performance of the parties


in the English county council elections put together in such a way


we can compare party performances in this year's local elections with


2015, 2013, indeed pretty much any other year. With all the health


warnings you tacked onto it, what does it tell us about the relative


strengths of the party? I've got John Nicholson here, probably


looking to see where the SNP is on that, you can tell us that in the


second. Let's talk about relative strength as we go towards June the


8th. What do you make of it? I guess the thing many people will notice is


where the Conservative lead over Labour is substantial, while this is


the best performance since 2008 for the Conservatives and the worst


Labour performance since it was turfed out of office in 2010, the


lead in this projected national share is rather less than the 17


point lead that on average has been in the most recent opinion polls.


And the swing since 2015 local elections is around half the swing


the national opinion polls have been showing. As we've been trying to say


throughout today, it was always clear the Conservatives were well


ahead in these local elections, but it still leaves this question of


whether they are doing well enough that if it were to be translated


into the general election they would get the landslide they are looking


for. In 2015 it took seven point lead in the parliamentary election


just to get that majority of 12 Theresa May didn't want. It's one


obvious technical point. The Liberal Democrats are doing much better in


this projected national share. It's par for the course. Liberal


Democrats nearly always do better in local elections than general


elections, it tends to be the case even on the same day. That


arithmetically begins to depress the Conservative lead to a degree. It's


not going to account for all of it. For Liberal Democrats themselves,


it's relatively good news. The best performance in local elections since


they went into coalition with conservatives in 2010. Still well


below the 25% figure is the party was getting regularly in the


2005-2010 Parliament. It is partial recovery for the Democrats. For


Ukip, we only started estimating in 2013 when they did so well in the


elections. This is their worst performance so far. Overall the


broad picture is what the opinion polls were telling us, Ukip


squeezed, that progress by the Liberal Democrats, but not dramatic.


Labour heading for a bad result. It's whether the Conservatives are


doing well enough to get that big majority Theresa May would like.


I'll put some of those points to Karen Bradley in a moment. What do


you say to John Nicholson and the SNP? From the data I seen, it takes


a while to put it together, because of the boundary changes north of the


border. It looks to me as though the SNP might get 40% of the total vote


in Scotland, but I'm not sure they are going to get much more than


that. In Aberdeen for example, where we have the whole result, the SNP


vote wasn't up that much. They failed to win North Ayrshire, that


one would have expected them to win if they were doing the kind of


performance they got in 2015-2016. I think in truth this is towards the


disappointing. From what I've seen so far, limited, much more to come


in terms of the expectations we had of the SNP. Karen, your response to


the PNS. John suggesting it is a strong performance but not as strong


as some have been predicting. You set yourself this isn't a forecast,


and local elections are based on local issues. I pay tribute to all


those Conservative candidates who have worked so hard over the last


few years and months to get elected. Well done to them. There is no way


anyone can take that and say, this is a foregone conclusion for June


the 8th, absolutely not. It's a different election fought on


different issues. That clear choice between who the British public want


to be leader, strong and stable leadership with Theresa May, or


coalition of chaos with Jeremy Corbyn. Dear, dear, two cliches one


after another, Karen, you are the Secretary of State for culture,


you're meant to be interested in language, you have to come up with


better line than that, really. This is a really important choice, it's


vital we make that point. Those lines were written for you, strong


and stable leadership and coalition of chaos. It's like being with


Stepford wives, the way politicians from the Conservative Party keep


churning out the lines. People are frustrated by this patronising tone


in the election. We've got to improve... What about the SNP


performance? I was very intrigued with what John said, John said the


SNP vote wasn't up that much in Aberdeen. The SNP has been in


government for 11 years, and the vote is up in Aberdeen. That's meant


to be the area where the Tories think they are having a great


revival. I've seen the figures, the final figures are SNP 19


Conservatives 11, Labour nine, Lib Dems four. That in Aberdeen.


It is a curious criticism that the SNP isn't up that much, but I hope


the Conservatives. Pretending there will be a hung parliament. You


mentioned Aberdeen. Let's look at Aberdeen, as we know is a hung


council. 19 to the SNP, 11 to the Tories, nine to the Labour Party,


four seats to the Lib Dems. This is what has happened since 2008. Labour


losing nine seats. But is the picture in Aberdeen. Your pieces


there is what? They are clearly making progress, the Tories? Ruth


Davidson gets up in the morning and she says, let's not talk about


independence. She talks about independence all day and then says,


I wish the SNP. Talking about independence. Maybe it is working if


you look at that result? What she has done is peel away the right wing


of the Labour Party. If you look at the votes in Scotland, there is a


shift between labour to the Conservatives. The SNP vote is


roughly static but the Labour Party is losing ground to the Tories.


There seems to be a straight shift from one to the other. How do you


explain that, Labour straight to the Tories? I think Bruce has done a


great job in Scotland from a very low base. Tributes to be paid to


her. The point that this is not going to be a hung parliament, the


results are clear. We have seen in Liverpool, 60% of the vote has gone


to Labour. There is a real possibility of a Labour government.


No there isn't. We will make it clear that is the choice that will


be made by people on the 8th of June. We cannot take people for


fools, we know what will happen in this election. I don't. I do. You


cannot take anything for granted. That is the lying politicians use,


but we know there will be a Conservative Government and you will


win with a whopping great majority. So the question for voters across


the country is, do you want the Tories to have a serious opposition?


Conservative MPs make this point privately, it is good to have strong


opposition. I think a lot of Tory voters must think, they are going to


win, but maybe there should be a strong opposition also. I broadly


agree that when you have whopping great majorities, in Scotland in the


last general election, there were 56 SNP MPs out of 59. Buy your own


arguments, wouldn't it be healthier for Scottish politics if there were


slightly fewer SNP MPs and more Unionist MPs? You are comparing


apples with pears. SNP MPs at Westminster are not attempting to


form a government. They are not opposition bloc. The speaker from


the opposition bloc said we are persisted because we support first


past the post. We have a result, Tees Valley, the results for the


mayor. 21% turnout. So the Conservatives on 40000 and close


behind, Sue Jeffery on 39,000 for Labour. If we look at the figures,


39%, each. It is a Conservative win in Tees Valley on 48,000 after


everything is recalculated and 46,000 for Labour. So, what are we


saying at this point? Let's go to College Green and talk to Steve


Richards and another journalist. Steve, your take on what is going


on? Sometimes politics needs decoding, it doesn't really at the


moment. What we see is what is happening, it is interesting to hear


Karen Bradley talk up the prospects of a Labour victory. Meanwhile we


have Labour candidate saying, you can vote for me, don't worry because


we will not win. When you are in that situation, the general


narrative is pretty clear, the Conservatives are heading for a


significant victory next month. These local election results on the


whole, with John Curtis' brilliant qualifications do confirm that


pattern. Julia, what are your thoughts? It is absurd to have a


situation where the Conservatives are playing down what is a


successful date and the Labour Party are trying to talk up what is a


disastrous situation. The SNP talking up a Tory victory. The


question is, how much we can read in to the general election in a few


weeks. An awful lot of us, me included, want to vote on whether my


bins are being collected or whether a local councillor is someone you


know or not. Very different from general collections. As you have


seen with some of the turnout, so few of the people who vote in a


general election have turned out to vote. It is dangerous to read


anything into what it might mean for the general election, other than a


Tory majority. Significant contest, the new mayor of the West Midlands,


which is a very powerful position and that is closed between the


Conservatives and Labour. These results must not be discounted in


terms of what they say? No, if Labour were to lose the contest for


the mayor, that would be a big blow to their morale as they then look


forward to the general election where morale is pretty dodgy anyway.


As Julia said, it is important to remember with the mayoral contest,


the local dimensional. What ever happens now and in June when Theresa


May is now expected to win big, is that we will have these pockets of


power elsewhere, in Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool. There is a


Scottish parliament. It is one of the big differences to the 1980s


when Margaret Thatcher won big. When she did, she ruled the whole of the


UK, there was virtually no local departments, and a Scottish


parliament. But if the Tories were to win this one, there would be a


celebration at conservative HQ here because it will tell them what will


happen in the general election. One of the big power bases, by the looks


of it, will not be the Liberal Democrats. They are the one big


party going for the Remain vote. It looks like a lot of leave voters


have gone to the Tories and others have voted on the bin collection


rather than voting for the Remain party. The party of the 11% rather


than the 48% by the end of today. Steve and Julia, enjoy the rest of


the results. Ranks for joining us. A little later than planned, we will


get the news, not just the election news but the news as well let's join


Jane Hill. The Conservatives have made big


gains in the council elections in England and Wales,


recording their best Many of the votes cast


yesterday across England, Scotland and Wales are still to be


counted, but Labour have suffered losses and Ukip have


lost all but one seat. The kernel Edds have taken 11


councils and gained more than 400 seats and be our head with Billy


1500 councillors was but earlier the party was downplaying the


significance of these victories. Many votes remain uncounted.


I think the early results are encouraging, but


We have seen less than a quarter of the vote actually


The turnout in local elections, of course, is much, much lower


It is wrong to predict what will happen on June 8th.


We still have a general election to campaign


for and to win after last night, but encouraging signs.


Labour is on course to lose control of Glasgow,


the party has been in control in the city since 1980.


The party has lost five councils over role and more than 270 council


seats but the party did hold onto Cardiff. Diane Abbott warned people


not to read too much into these results.


But I think we have to be careful from extrapolating from local


The turnout is much lower and in many cases, people vote


But, I'm not pretending that these aren't disappointing results.


The results have been disappointing for Ukip.


So far the party has only managed to win one


of the the seats it has contested, losing 92 previously


Including all four seats it held on Bevan County Council.


Ukip says it still has sitting councillors in the country,


although those positions were not up for election this time.


The results have been mixed for the Liberal Democrats.


A short time ago the Party had lost 39 council seats.


The Lib Dems also failed to retake Somerset Council


from the Conservatives, although the Tory leader John Osman


was ousted by Lib Dem former MP Tessa Munt.


Former Labour MP Steve Rotherham has become Liverpool's


Mr Rotherham, a former bricklayer who represented Liverpool Walton,


He said people had voted in favour of a bold manifesto and a fresh


start. Tim Bowles weren't in the West of England for the


Conservatives. Played Comrie in Wales and the Green party have made


gains. The Greens are up two seen so far while Plaid Cymru has 33 more


councillors. It's not just election season here,


in France it's the last day of a contentious campaign to chose


a new President. The two candidates,


the centrist and favourite Emmanuel Macron, and the right wing


Marine Le Pen, are out on the campaign trail


for the last time today, before voters go to


the polls on Sunday. Christian Fraser is


in Paris for us now. What is your sense of it? It has


been a long other times bitter campaign. I am not sure it has done


much to heal the divisions in France and we have seen more hostility


today. Marine Le Pen was at the cathedral which is where they used


to crown the old Kings of France. But such is the hostility from the


crowds that whether, after she had been around the cathedral, she had


to go out through a Robing Room at the back and to a waiting car.


Earlier we saw a huge banner that was unfurled under the arches of the


Eiffel Tower, it had been put up by Greenpeace which had hash tag resist


on it. So the hostility to Marine Le Pen is there. Although a Emmanuel


Macron has a big lead, 62-38, the talk is, they don't want anyone to


take the vote for granted and they don't want complacency. The biggest


threat to him is the abstention rate, which could be quite high.


Thank you, Christian. We have been hearing from Michel Barnier at a


conference about EU's citizens rights in Florence. He warned there


are concerns about the right to free movement which has been given to


European citizens. We should not allow populace to take


the political debate hostage. But we should not ignore what are often


deeply felt opinions and reactions. People are concerned about the free


movement of EU workers, not only in the UK, but also in many other


member states. That's a summary of the news,


now back to Local Elections Welcome back. We are covering the


results of the local elections in England, Scotland and Wales and we


will be focusing on lots of these results still coming in. Some of


them in big contest such as the West Midlands for the new city and


regional mad. But the results coming in. Norfolk has come in. This is a


conservative gain. A familiar story in lots of parts of England from no


overall control, 55 seats to the Conservatives in Norfolk. 17 to


Labour, 11 the Lib Dems. It is a familiar picture in terms of the


collapse of Ukip. Let's look at the difference because we have 15 games


for the Conservatives and 15 losses for Ukip. The East of England


telling us quite a familiar story by now. Those are the Norfolk figures,


I want to go straight to Andrew Sinclair, our correspondent in Great


Yarmouth, that is where he was earlier. Andrew, where are you? I am


now at County Hall in Norfolk. With the Wii would come here for the


final declaration. This place was technically in no overall control,


this Conservatives were just about able to run it for the last year now


they have a majority of 26 and across Norfolk, the Conservatives


brought in some very impressive majorities, as the counting went


ahead. The other headlines in Norfolk, yes, Ukip have been wiped


out, as they have been across East Anglia but also the Green party have


been wiped out. They were wiped out because of a small Labour surge


which we saw in Norwich in the Labour heartland of Norfolk really.


This is quite important, because this part of Norwich, the seat was


held up the last election by Clive Lewis from Labour. The former


Business Secretary, seen by some as being a future leadership contender.


He was going to face a big fight in the forthcoming general election. He


still does face a fight, but I think he will sleep a little bit more


happily the night, knowing Labour have done so well in Norwich. The


other bits of news from Norfolk, is we see a bit of a Liberal Democrat


surge on the North Norfolk coast. They have taken seats from Ukip and


also took one seat from the Conservatives. That will go down


with Norman Lamb, the Liberal Democrat health spokesman, who is


facing a big challenge from the Conservatives on the North Norfolk


coast, because he only has a majority of 4000. At the end of the


day, the main story, from the whole of East Anglia is, this Ukip


wipe-out. It is significant for this part of the world because this is


where Ukip started to see its first signs of support, it won its first


ever town council in Ramsey in 2010. Since then, it went on to pick up a


load of smaller council seats, District Council level and then in


2013, at the last County Council elections, Ukip sprung onto the


stage by winning a lot of seats here in Norfolk. So many that at one


stage it was the second largest party in the council. It won a lot


of seeds in Cambridgeshire and six. The story here, is Ukip has


absolutely no seats at a County Council level. That is Norfolk, just


putting the figure is up for. Can you talk us through that and it is


the Ukip loss and the search for the Conservatives? Yes, that is


interesting in Cambridgeshire. Cambridge was put into no overall


control. It is normally a solid conservative council, but it went


into no overall control, like Norfolk, because Ukip did well. For


a while, they brought in changes to something called the cabinet system,


which was a change in the way local business was done. They did make


quite an impact in Cambridge, but they have lost the seats. A lot of


the seats were up in the Cambridge offends, area is seen as traditional


Ukip territory. Remember, it was the surge of these seats for Ukip in


places like Cambridge, Norfolk and six which made the Conservatives,


under David Cameron realise, they had to stay true to their pledge to


grant a referendum. But Ukip support has dissipated. Before we left Great


Yarmouth, we went into the street to talk to people to say, what do you


think has happened to the Ukip vote? Every person we spoke to in Great


Yarmouth said the same thing, we think Ukip's job is done. And that


echoes Ukip's one former MP, Douglas Carswell, who when he


left Ukip two weeks ago, said the same thing- job done. Andrew, thank


you very much from Norfolk with the latest picture in the East of


England. Peter, talk us through your thoughts of this Ukip collapse on


the fact it has fed very strongly into a very big conservative surge


in some of these counties. We are being told by some conservatives, it


is not all about that, there are other reasons for Conservatives


doing well, but we cannot discount this as a very, very big factor? It


is a huge factor. I am looking at the seeds Ukip were defending. We


have the voting numbers in. In those seats where Ukip 14 years ago, they


are now forth. They got fewer votes in their own seats. The Conservative


vote has gone up massively in those areas. I think part of the


significance is this, one of the reasons why the Conservatives did.


Get a bigger majority in 2015 was, a lot of people who would have


otherwise voted Conservative, voted Ukip because of the European issue.


Those Conservatives have gone back to being Conservative voters. If


nothing else changes in the general election, that will deliver a bigger


majority to Theresa May. Overall, compared with four years ago, if


anything there is an overall swing from right to left, if you add up


Tory and Ukip on one side and the Liberal Democrats, labour and the


Greens on the other. The Tories have huge gains, Ukip have a number of


losses, Labour down, Liberal Democrats down. Under our voting


system, this coming together of the right of centre votes behind the


Conservatives, where it was more split two years ago, that is


terrific news for Theresa May. What ever happens to the Labour vote,


people on the left is what they think about Jeremy Corbyn. Barry,


we'll be with you in a second. I know Ruth Davidson is also waiting


to talk to us, why don't I bring us up today so far on the Scottish


result so Ruth Davidson can address some of those. 21 losses in terms of


seats for the SNP. The Conservatives, having gained 91 seat


so far in Scotland, and the independents down 11. Labour on 122,


the Lib Dems on 37. Let's look at Dundee. The SNP losing its control


in Dundee, they are on 14 seats, Labour are and nine, and just short


of that control, look at the change from the last time in 2012. In


Dundee, it the SNP have lost two seats which accounts for the loss of


overall control. That is the picture in Dundee, do I


have any other Scottish results to show? I have Aberdeenshire. This is


a hung council. The Tories on 23, SNP on 21. Lib Dems on 14,


independence on ten. This is another case of the Conservatives are making


progress. If we look at the change from 2012, they have put on nine


seats and the SNP have gone down eight seats in Aberdeenshire. The


Lib Dems up two, independents down two and labour are down one seat. I


will bring Ruth Davidson in. Thanks for joining us, Ruth. Headline


thoughts on where you are today? I think today is shaping up to be a


good day for the Scottish Conservatives. It consolidates some


of the gains we made last year at the Scottish parliament and became


the second party in Scotland. People across Scotland are looking for the


Scottish fight back against the SNP where they have tried to create a


sense of momentum. Wherever you are, from the Borders to the Highlands,


the only party strong enough to lead the fight back is the Scottish


Conservatives. We have John Nicholson, and I wonder what he


might have to say about that. It is always good to see Ruth, I am


looking at her local government leaflet in front of me. She always


says, get on with the job and stop obsessing about the constitution.


This leaflet doesn't mention bins, transport or education. What it says


is, we need to send Nicola Sturgeon a message. What Ruth does, she gets


up every morning and she talks about independence all day long. The


narrative is, I wish those nationalists would stop talking


about independence. Somebody looking on, on the basis of these results,


it she is right. All credit to Ruth, she has achieved her aim and she has


peeled away the right of the Labour Party and successfully managed...


Lets let Ruth answer that. There is a simple way of John and his


colleagues to want me to stop talking about independence and that


is the Nicola Sturgeon to do what she said you do, respect the


decision from the last referendum. Because of electoral rules, we don't


mention the individual candidate or individual seats, every one of our


candidates put forward their election address that had the key


points of their area, had priorities for the local council. It is making


sure we do both things, we fight on a national level and local level. I


think it is sour grapes on John, a man under pressure in his own seat


and has a minority that he has to defend. At least I am fighting my


own seat again, Ruth because you had to cross the country to fight for a


different seat. Let's not project too much ahead. Peta wants to talk


about the voting system which will help viewers understand the


situation in Scotland and the dynamics are often different? In the


English elections it is traditional first past the post system. In


Scottish local elections it is the single transferable vote. If you are


wondering how some of these councils are coming up nowhere overall


control, because of proportional voting you tend to get nowhere


overall control. Unless one party is miles ahead of the others, they


might get the majority. But it does raise the question, at local


government level, Scotland only works when parties get together and


cooperate. Either as a joint Administration, or issue by issue.


What we are seeing between John and Ruth, the tone will have to change


when the Conservatives in local councils and the SNP in local


councils find they have to get together to get things done. We have


ruled out any coalition with the Conservatives and we have been


clear, that will not be happening. Ruth, on the basis of the results we


have already, not just in Scotland, but across England and in Wales, how


confident are you as a Conservative, we have Karen Bradley here as well,


looking forward to Julia Tooth? We have got to continue to work hard,


we take nothing for granted. It is different elections north and south


of the border. I will stick with Scotland, Peter is right we have a


system in Scotland where it is transferable vote our local


elections. We have to look at indicators and it is who got the


largest preference share of the votes. If you look across the


borders, Perthshire, Aberdeenshire, Angus Robertson's seat, John


Nicholson's boss in Westminster, easy it is the Scottish


Conservatives. We need to use this as a platform to take this fight to


the SNP and lead the fight back against the SNP. Ruth Davidson,


thanks for joining us today. We will carry on the debate in a moment and


bring Karen Bradley in on Conservative prospects and Barry, we


will be in and talking to you as well.


In the meantime, what I would like to do is maybe take a quick break


and have a look at the weather prospects. Will


we are ending the week with similar weather as to what we had at the


start. Things haven't changed that much and that means another sunny


day across parts of Northern Ireland. The best of the sunshine is


across northern areas where we are closest to this area of high


pressure. We have had an easterly wind making it feel chilly across


the East and extra cloud in the south. That is how it looked earlier


on in Devon. There are some breaks in the cloud in southern areas. Not


continuously grey skies, there will be a fair amount of blue sky, a


mixture of patchy cloud and sunny spells in the East Midlands and


Wales. Best of the sunshine in Northern Inman, Scotland. Further


west, temperatures up to 19 possibly 20 degrees in places. As we go


through this evening, cloud will thicken up across England and Wales


I produced the odd spot of drizzle. More persistent rain trying to push


into the far south-west, but it will be the far south-west, Cornwall,


South West Devon, Channel Islands. It may be cold across Scotland, and


Northern Ireland for a touch of frost. This high pressure will try


to bring a change, introduce rain into the South. But not having a lot


of luck. It will be Cornwall, parts of west and south Devon and the


Channel Islands that see the rain tomorrow. More cloud across England


and Wales but Northern Ireland and Scotland, is where we will have the


best of the sunshine. The far north-east will hold onto low cloud,


particularly a wrong coast. It should be a warmer day for the likes


of Glasgow and Edinburgh. To Northern Ireland and northern


England, sunny spells. East Anglia, Wales and towards the south coast,


more in the way of cloud. Writer glimpses and parts of West Devon,


Cornwall and the Channel Islands, rain splashing through at times.


Even that isn't going to last too long. That will clear away during


Saturday evening. On Sunday evening, it looks like more of the same. But


a subtle change in the wind direction, more of a North or


north-easterly wind. That will feed clouding across northern and eastern


Scotland, down the east of England and places exposed to the wind, it


will feel chilly. Cooler weather on Sunday across north-west Scotland.


What about next week? No changes there, it is going to stay largely


dry. Very good afternoon. It is three


o'clock, welcome to view was on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. This


is our special live coverage of the local elections in England, Wales


and Scotland. We're making good progress getting some results


through. Thousands of council has been elected overnight, this morning


and this afternoon. They are responsible above all for delivering


very important public services in your areas. All of this happening


during a general election campaign, it's affected some of the dynamics.


It will be getting reaction from the parties as to what is going on. This


is where they stand, Conservatives having a very good set of results so


far. This afternoon, they've taken


Derbyshire council from Labour and they've also won overall control


in Cambridgeshire, Lancashire, They've also made gains


in Scotland and Wales as well. And the Tory candidate


for the Tees Valley mayoralty, in North East England,


has narrowly beaten his Labour they've lost control


of Glasgow City Council, which they've held


for nearly 40 years. And they've now lost over 100


councillors in England and in Wales. But they have won three mayoral


contests - in Liverpool, A pretty terrible night and day for


Ukip, they've now lost over 100 seats, most of them in England. The


party has been wiped out on consuls like Cambridge, Northamptonshire and


Essex. Most of that going to the Conservatives.


In Scotland - the SNP have managed to deprive


Labour of an overall majority in Glasgow but we are not yet sure


if they have won overall control of Scotland's biggest


But elsewhere in Scotland - the SNP have lost some seats.


are on Birmingham this afternoon for the West Midlands mayoral race.


It's set to be a tight contest between Labour and the Tories -


we'll bring you the result as soon as we have it.


It has been created under the devolution strategy of the


government. Big budget jobs, big spending jobs, where the new mayor


will be in charge of housing and transport in some areas, too.


Conservative Andy Street is a fraction ahead on the first round.


We'll bring the result as soon as we have it.


to see if Labour's Andy Burnham can win the regional


Lots to come. It's 3pm. We started at 9am. The Scottish counting


started at nine and lots of results coming through. We expect more this


afternoon. We're keeping an eye out for those big mayoral contest in the


West Midlands and greater Manchester. Peter Kellner is still


with me, Karen Bradley from John Nicholson for the SNP, and we have


Gary Gardner. You're there, aren't you? We're going to talk to you. --


Barry Gardiner. Lots of people will say, why hasn't he spoken to Barry.


We'll come to you in a second. We'll go to the news of Jane Hill. Then


we'll be back to talk to Barry Gardiner.


The Conservatives have made significant gains


in the local elections - with Labour performing poorly


The Tories have gained 7 councils - including most recently winning


Norfolk from no overall control and taking Derbyshire County


Labour have lost 6 councils - including Glasgow City Council


Our Political Correspondent Eleanor Garnier has more.


It's the Conservatives with the biggest cheers.


They gained overall control in nine councils including Derbyshire,


The party's won control of Warwickshire, Gloucs,


The Conservative Party candidate is elected as mayor for the Tees Valley


authority. A huge win in one of Labour's former heartlands saw the


Conservative candidate elected mayor. Senior Conservatives are


playing down expectations ahead of the general election.


The turnout in local elections of course, is much lower


So it's wrong to predict what's going to happen on June the 8th.


We still have a general election to campaign


The Tories are celebrating in Essex too, where this time round,


In Lincolnshire, where Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall will fight


for a Westminster seat next month, the party was wiped out.


And with such big losses, Ukip's future is in question.


I've been in Ukip now for four years.


The amount of times I've heard the phrase, "Ukip's finished,


If I had a pound for every one, I'd probably be quite a rich woman.


It's not over until it's over and despite these pretty poor


election results so far, it's not over.


Steve Rotherham has won the role of mayor of Liverpool city region.


Elsewhere it has been a torrid time for the party, losing more than 280


seats so far. In Glasgow where Labour has been in power for more


than 30 years, it has lost overall control.


These are counties which are the Tory strongholds.


It was going to be a tough night for Labour anyway


and we are in the middle of a general election campaign,


People are voting largely on local issues, not


What is coming across is where people were predicting we would be


wiped out in places like Wales, we've done very well.


The Lib Dems admit so far, it's been a mixed set


We held our ground in the face of a massive shift, an enormous


shift of Ukip voters to the Conservatives and you know,


given that happened, we've done well to stay


The Green party says with the Tories dominating,


Well I am worried about how well the Conservatives have done in terms


of both the Green Party, but more broadly for the future


I think that has to be a wake-up call for parties on the left


and the centre-left to think about how we work together under


For some, the results today have been too close to call.


The Tories denied an overall majority in


Northumberland after the Lib Dem candidate literally drew the longest


There is still plenty of that to be done.


We must leave it there because there is a significant result expected.


Let's go back to Huw. Welcome back to the election Centre,


we expect a result any time in Manchester. This is the result of


one of the Metro Mayor contests. We were talking about the West Midlands


where there is a big contest between the Conservatives and Labour.


Another big contest in Manchester where Andy Burnham is one of those


contesting this new post, newly invented post. We expect a


declaration soon. Barry Gardiner is with me in the studio with Peter


Comer, John Nicholson and Karen Bradley. The significance of these


new jobs? There are power bases around the country. What we've seen,


if you look to North America, you look at the influence state


governors or layers of big cities have, it's a real counterbalance to


the weight of the Centre. I think they are important, a new way of


getting more democracy into that system, getting government more


localised, getting local people to have their say that much better. I


think there will also be power bases. The key thing is what


resources they are going to get from the centre. What we've seen with


this Conservative government is they've given greater responsibility


to local government, but given less resource to match the


responsibility. That is very difficult then because they say,


look, it's not a matter for us in the centre, it's a matter for local


government. It's the decisions taken down there. Republicans are saying,


if given us the responsibility but not the money to deal with the


problems you've given us. Yet this devolution package looking at the


city regions has come with quite a big budget attached. These mayoral


jobs were conditions attached to that devolved budget in many ways.


They will have quite a lot of money to look after, in some cases more


than ?1 billion, when you look at the West Midlands and greater


Manchester. There are vague resources. The extent to which they


can cooperate with local government, let's say Andy Burnham the Labour


candidate wins in greater Manchester, what are the prospects


for cooperating with centre government? All politicians have to


work in the national interest, work in the interest of the people they


serve. We may not like the result of the electorate often delivers for


us, but nonetheless, it is our job to make the system work for the


people who elected us. That is what our mayor, as Andy I expect will be,


is elected as mayor of Manchester. I'm sure that's precisely what he'll


do. He's a very experienced politician, of course, he's been


Shadow Secretary of State, he's been in the cabinets before. Is somebody


who knows the workings of Westminster, and I think we'll do a


superb job for his city and region. I'm being told there is a


declaration imminent in Manchester, so we'll stay with it. I'll bring in


Karen Bradley if I may. This devolution strategy was very much


something George Osborne for example was in charge of, something he


pushed strongly. Is there the same commitment under Theresa May to this


strategy of devolving to the big city regions? Theresa May has been


clear she wants a country that works for everyone, not just the


privileged few, that means the whole country. We've seen the success the


Mayor of London has been. We need to counterbalance it with the regions


and cities, I represent a seat in North Savage, I want to see strong


government in the region, so we can get the kind of infrastructure and


facilities we need. And we have the economic growth needed across the


country. Discussing resources and budgets, when I ask you about


commitment, really it is a resource question. This Theresa May likely,


Philip Hammond in future, if re-elected, are they likely to be as


committed in terms of the resources to these jobs? Without resources


it's difficult to see how these Metro mayors can do the job quickly.


There has been a commitment to making sure the funding goes across


the whole country. You need a strong economy to do that. The only way you


will have a strong economy is if you have strong and stable leadership.


If I can bring Peter Kellner in, we have these images of Manchester, the


expected result in the Metro Mayor contest in Manchester and greater


Manchester, where it's due in the next few minutes. There are people


congregating, ready to come forward to the stage. Peter Kellner, A


thought about the significance of the restructuring. This is a very


big departure in terms of the power base in some of these big regions.


It is, yet it has to be said, the voters don't seem to be quite as


excited as the politicians, the highest turnout in the mayoral


contest is 34%, they've been down as low as 22. I think it'll take time,


perhaps five or ten years, when mayors become personalities, things


happen, they get rivals that get momentum, maybe turnouts will go up.


But at the moment I have to say something like three out of four


voters have stayed at home rather than take part. I'm going to gamble


a little because I'm thinking, do I have a couple of minutes before the


greater Manchester result is true? I'm going to gamble, and going to


say, hold these pictures. If you're listening in Manchester, we don't


want a declaration in the next couple of minutes, we want you to


stay for a second because I have results from Scotland. Let's have a


look at Fife, it's come through, a hung council. 29 to the SNP, 24 to


Labour, 15 to the Tories, seven to the Lib Dems. What has changed since


2012? The SNP have made four games, Labour downturn, the Tories 12


games. It ties in with the conversations we were having earlier


about the patterns of support, where conservatives are gaining in some


parts of Scotland, Lib Dems have lost three, the independents have


lost three as well. If we look at the Scottish Borders, this is one of


the areas the Conservatives would be hoping to do well. It's a hung


council, shot by three of overall control. Conservatives putting on


five, no change for the SNP. The Lib Dems losing ground in the Scottish


Borders. That is the hung council in the Scottish Borders. A quick


comment? One of the quiet stories, quietly disastrous stories, of the


day is how the Lib Dems are performing across Scotland. I know


they are doing quite well south of the border, especially in certain


areas that voted against Brexit. But in Scotland where I think they are


on 7% in the national opinion polls they have encountered the figures,


every time I see one of your bar graphs seem to have been down a few


seats, held on, certainly not doing well. The idea of the Liberal


Democrat fight back in Scotland doesn't seem to be catching fire. A


quick recap of the figures in Scotland, the SNP down 17 at the


moment but still by far the biggest number of seats. The Conservatives


are firmly established in second place. One of the problems for the


Lib Dems is its only two years after the last election to memories of the


coalition and the bedroom tax, putting up VAT 20%, all the things


we remember about the Lib Dems are still fresh in people's memories.


Plus we've got Tim Farron coming up with this disastrous line that he's


a bit of a Eurosceptic. It reinforces the impression they can't


be trusted. I'm sure we'll have a Lib Dem in the studio later. Lib


Dems are down in England, Wales and Scotland. Scotland very marginal,


they've got 44 councillors, downfall. It may move around a bit.


The Lib Dems must be pretty disappointed. They talked up the


prospect in the south-west of England which I never understood,


because since the south-west of England voted heavily for Brexit,


why would people replace a Brexit Tory with an anti-Brexit Lib Dem?


One county that will have done well is Oxfordshire, where they had been


gaining and it was a Remain county. We haven't had voting... In London


where Vince Cable is standing in Twickenham, there is hardly a Ukip


vote to squeeze, so Conservatives might be quite vulnerable in some


parts of England, where we didn't have votes yesterday. Yesterday's


English elections were preponderantly in areas that voted


Leave. Twit that is the latest tally in Scotland. We've had some social


media messaging from Jeremy Corbyn. Barry will be pleased to see this.


Jeremy Corbyn says congratulations to Welsh Labour a specifically Welsh


from Jeremy Corbyn. For defying the pundits, he says, winning outright


in Cardiff and Swansea and Newport...


That is the latest message from Jeremy Corbyn. I suppose there will


be people in Welsh politics who will come back to you on that and say,


bragging about hanging on to some of these areas which should and always


have been Labour is not a big thing to brag about. I don't think it's


bragging, I think what he is doing is congratulating the candidates


have worked very hard. You will know some of those areas were very, very


heavily targeted by the Conservatives. The overall picture


in Wales is one we can take heart from, given that it was a key target


area. The more interesting picture across the whole of the United


Kingdom is the way in which these local elections are really the


elections of two referenda. What we've seen both in terms of the


referendum in Scotland, the hangover from that, the division in Scotland


between the parties is now very much between the Nationalists and


unionists. What the Tories have tried to do, clearly with some


success, is to paint themselves as the only Unionist option against the


Nationalists. And within the rest of the country, of course, it's the


Leave and Remain axis working. Interesting, as John was noting, the


Liberals haven't picked up the 48%, they are becoming the party of the


11 or 12%. It's a very difficult picture for Labour, of course, to


actually address this question, because so many of our


constituencies, where constituencies were preponderantly people voting to


leave, though our party and those members who vote Labour


preponderantly those who voted to remain. I think what you're seeing


is the Labour Party trying to put a message across which I believe is


the right one, which says we mustn't go for this hard deregulated Brexit


off the coast of Europe. And equally we have to respect the referendum


result by saying we will leave the EU. It's a difficult message, but


it's the message we have because we believe it's the weight we unite


both the 48 and 52%. What is happening in this election is, we're


seeing both those referendums, where the polarisation has taken place


between unionists and nationalists, between believers and Remainers, it


is then worked to massage the figures in the way we are seeing.


Let's have a look at Manchester. Do we have guidance on what is going on


in Manchester? OK, they keep telling us it's another few minutes. I don't


want to stay on that too long. Let's go to Glasgow. I think Anita is in


Glasgow. She has more on the results and what has been going on. Anita?


Yes, 55 out of 85 seats declared here in Glasgow, let me give you a


tally. The SNP have 24 of those seats, Labour 19, Conservatives six,


the Scottish Green party six. Let's analyse what we have so far with our


Scotland correspondent Stephen Godden. First of all, can the SNP,


based on these figures, still win overall control, have overall


majority of Glasgow City Council? Put simply, it's theoretically


possible but unlikely, it's fair to say that. This is the fun time of


the election count where we have to do the arithmetic. 43 is the magic


number in Glasgow. We need 43 seats to have overall majority. The SNP


have 23 candidates still in the election at the moment. They would


need to return 19 of those. Still a lot of work to do. It's typed. It


is. We still have that symbolic moment from this morning. It wasn't


unexpected. Labour losing their majority, losing control of the City


Council, hugely symbolic for what was traditional heartland for them.


The Scottish Conservatives, talking to one MSP earlier, she said they


hoped they would need more than a table for four in the Glasgow City


Council canteen. They have six so far with more games to come


possibly. It's striking where they have made those games. Shettleston,


one of the most deprived areas in Scotland, you wouldn't expect


Conservatives to make gains in an area like Shettleston. It fits into


the national picture, Tories making gains in places they wouldn't


expect. Gains in Dundee have made the difference between the SNP


losing overall control of their majority of Dundee City Council. The


reason they put that down to is they campaigned heavily on this note to


second independence referendum. This was about to deliver is council


services. Thank you very much. You can pick your headline here in


Glasgow. There are lots of them. Let's discuss all these developments


with three journalists. We have Richard Walker, consulting editor


and co-founder of the pro-independence, the National.


Kevin McKenna, columnist for the Herald and Observer and Paul


Sinclair, former adviser to Gordon Brown. Hamza Yusuf of the SNP told


me it was a huge disappointment for the party not to win overall control


and have overall majority in Glasgow at the last local elections. They


may end up the biggest party this time but still not have overall


control. It's bound to be another disappointment isn't it? We have to


keep things in perspective. It's disappointing we haven't got enough


members to form a majority in Glasgow, to form an administration,


but we'll be able to form one with the Green party, I'm sure. It is a


cause for celebration. It's still true Glasgow has rejected the Labour


Party. The story of this election is the demolition of the Labour Party


in Scotland, transfer of support to the Conservatives. The SNP would


want to frame any gains as a vote for another independence referendum.


If it doesn't get the majority here, it would suffer loss of control in


other Scottish councils. Does that damage that agenda? They would say


not. If, as expected, they win a majority of seats, they are the


biggest party through Scotland. If, as they are expected to do, they win


a majority of seats in the general election on June eight, that will be


four national elections either side of the border, which the SNP have


won overwhelmingly. And in each of them they carried the message of


saying yes to a second referendum. If there had been material and


significant changes in the make-up of the UK, which of course we've


seen by Theresa May's approach to a hard Brexit. How significant are the


losses for Labour year, which has held overall control of this council


for 40 years. You've got to look at the fact it was remarkable, they are


meant to get an overall majority in 2012. What's important, everything


in Scotland is seen through the constitutional prison. Let's look at


the trajectory of the vote. This city voted for independence in 2014.


55% of people voted SNP in 2015, 53 last year in the Scottish elections,


now it looks like the SNP won't get above 45%. They may be winning, but


in a downward trajectory. Somebody in the Labour Party I know what it


feels like and it doesn't end well. It's very difficult for them, once


you start losing momentum it's very difficult to reverse it. I think if


the vote, particularly in the general election, goes below 45% of


the SNP, if there are more conservative games, and it looks


like there will be, at the very hard for Nicola Sturgeon to justify


another referendum. I asked if these could be the least local local


elections we've had on that constitutional question of whether


voters were pro independence or prounion. How important has it been


in the Conservative 's success in Glasgow? That's a key question, I


was speaking to a senior Labour candidate a few minutes ago who told


me she felt heart sorry for the local candidates in these elections


of all parties because until Theresa May called the snap election they


were campaigning on local issues and services. The referendum dominated


everything. It's certainly dominating more now. These are small


communities who have a deep sense of identification with their


candidates, then they suddenly had to switch and know they would be


overwhelmed by the European and Scottish constitution. In a line,


are the result is going to have an impact on the general election? This


isn't a referendum on independence or a general election. We can see


what we might expect in the general election.


Keep very much and thanks to your guests. There were several


interesting things there, not least this whole issue of campaigning.


Indeed the point you raised earlier about the reasons for the success of


the Conservative campaign in Scotland, and to what extent with


Davidson has managed to nail attention on the prospect of a


second independence referendum. On a constitutional issue early on you


were clearly irritated by the leaflet you were brandishing. I just


made the serious point it may have worked. Irritating is maybe too


strong, it is what it is, I think it is a bit disingenuous to run a local


government campaign entirely about the constitution while saying how


outraged you are about other people talking about the constitution. With


couldn't answer that which is why she started talking about Tory


election spending and said it was charged to a different budget. That


wasn't the point, the point was it didn't mention beans, roads or


education. It has been a theme of the Tory election campaign. Is it


not unavoidable, the sense this has been such a massive issue, not just


in the referendum 2014, but ever since, since the call came for a


second referendum and Parliamentary debate, that such high profile it


would be difficult to avoid. Bayfront local campaigning and


national campaigning, your right to say it was Nicola Sturgeon who


raised the prospect of a second referendum, not with Davidson. I


think it's absolutely right with Davidson should raise that point and


make that point to voters. Local candidates have been fighting on


local issues, as they have up and down the whole country across


England Scotland and Wales. I want better bins, and I care about


independence. It's absolutely intellectual evacuates as a campaign


it might be successful, but it hardly reaches the sunlit uplands of


political debate, does it? They are not mutually


In my own house I've had one leaflet from the Tories in the course of the


local government election campaign, and it was exclusively about


independence, it did not mention local services.


Barry, given the challenge Labour is having and has had in Scotland, on


this debate which is meant to be about local issues, to what extent


has the massive shadow of the constitutional question really make


that campaign for you more challenging? It clearly has. I


regard this as an absolute clarion call to people in the Labour Party,


that if they want a fairer society, if I want to see better education


than the SNP have been able to provide and to end the austerity,


both of the Conservatives and indeed of the SNP, but wider in this


country. If you look at the way in which services have been cut, if you


look at the way in which social care has lost ?4.6 billion, you cannot


sit there as a member of the Labour Party and think, I think the right


things, I believe in the right policies, you have got to get out in


the next four weeks on the doorsteps and campaign for them. It is the


only way we will be able to deliver the fairer more equal society we


want. You look at what happened today with the government being


forced by the High Court to publish its air pollution strategy. We see


exactly why we need a government that is going to be able to change


this and redress the balance in favour of working people. Let's go


straight to Manchester. Andy Burnham and the candidates for the Metro


Mayor. We are expecting the declaration to come any minute. All


the candidates lined up, an important post, one of six that have


been created and we will be looking to the one in the West Midlands


where there is a close contest between the Conservatives and the


Labour Party. But Andy Burnham is smiling. Yes, Labour had a 20 point


lead in Manchester. I Margaret Asquith, returning officer appointed


for the district of Bolton at the Greater Manchester combined


authority mayoral election, held on the 4th of May 2017, hereby certify


and declare that the total number of verified ballot papers was 58,165.


The total number of first preference votes given the East candidates was


Sean Anstey, the Conservative Party candidate, 16000 and 68. Mohamed


Salah 's Lynn, independent, 865. Jane Elizabeth Brophy, Liberal


Democrats, 2248. Andy Burnham, labour and co-operative party,




Marcus Jonathan Farmer, independent, 242. Stephen Morris, English


Democrats is putting England first, 1158. The UK Independence Party


1378. Will Patterson, the Green party, 868. The total number of


first preference votes, 57,477 and the total number of ballot papers


rejected but 688. So a declaration. As I understand it, those are the


figures for Bolton. Now some of the other figure 's. Returning officer


appointed for the district of Berhe at the Greater Manchester combined


authority 's mayoral election held on the 4th of May 2017, heh by


certify and declare that the total numbers of verified ballot papers


was, 45,000 387. The total numbers of first... We are getting the


results in four Bury, we have had Bolton. There are ten districts in


Greater Manchester. We will be back for the one right at the end where


they add them all up and tell us who has won. At the moment, Andy Burnham


is looking cheerful. It looks to me as if he has probably improved


Labour's share around Manchester from two years ago. We will see when


the other figures are in, but this is a strong performance. Whereas, in


the West Midlands, where it is very tight, it looks as if this is a less


good performance by Labour for the general election. What would account


for that, is this a matter of Andy Burnham being a prominent candidate,


what else would lend itself to that narrative. He is very popular. Both


as a Cabinet minister, attractive personality. And also, around the


Hillsborough tragedy, he didn't do it as a partisan politician. He came


out as a politician in a really impressive light. That is right. He


embedded himself into the spirit of the north-west, right in the heart


of the community in that way. His work on that public enquiry was


quite superlative. But this was an area in the north-west where the


Tories have been expecting to make gains. What this shows is that for


all the resources they have put into this, for all the expectation that


they've had to make gains in this part of the country and for all the


talk they had about northern Powerhouse, that is not going


according to plan for them. It doesn't mean that whilst I am


delighted for Andy Burnham, I look at these results overall in England.


Here we are only defending what are basically the rural constituencies


and we only had three councils in the whole of England to defend. But


nonetheless, the clear message is that we have gone down in our share


of the councils and the seats we have been able to hold onto. , Andy


Berman was an opponent of Jeremy Corbyn the first time he stood for


the party leadership. He is known not to be a CORBA nights, known as a


Labour moderate. He seems to have outperformed labour in most of the


rest of England, do you think there is a connection between his very


good personal performance and the fact he is a standout and non-Corbin


politician? Let me say, Andy Burnham served in Jeremy's Shadow Cabinet.


He came back in after the initial resignations, as all others did and


decided we would get on with the job of opposing the government because


it is the government implementing the cuts to local government, cuts


to social care services, cuts to funding in schools... So you don't


think there is any connection... He is an immensely popular politician,


but what you have to say is this is a concentrated, urban area. The rest


of the results we're looking at in these local elections are much more


rural constituencies. I don't think there is a straight read across, now


don't. That means Labour should be doing better in the West Midlands,


rather than it being a close contest with Sean Simon losing. If what you


say is right about concentrated urban areas... It goes across the


gain your own thesis because Sean Simon was not somebody associated


with Jeremy Corbyn. He was somebody with very strong local connections,


a well loved local MP. He had 20,000 more votes in Birmingham van Andy


Street did where Sean had served as an MP. He is somebody, like Andy,


who had the local connection. I don't think there is the read across


you want to make about personalities. I deprecate in way


our whole political culture is becoming increasingly presidential.


I don't want to be America. I want to be be United Kingdom where we


talk about policies, we understand the policies of government stands


on, that it has in its manifesto, things that matter. Whether it is


local government or housing, if you look at Labour councils, labour


councils builds on average, 1000 more houses each year than their


Conservative counterparts. These are the figures that matter to


people'slives. These are the ways in which young people can get on the


housing ladder, who are finding themselves trapped in 0-hours


contracts, cannot even get a deposit for a mortgage, not even the deposit


for rent sometimes. This is the difference Labour councils can make


and it is the difference a Labour government can make. Let's go back


and listen to what is going on in Manchester. I think they are making


steady progress through some of these ten declarations before we get


to the end. Independent, 490. Jane Elizabeth Brophy, Liberal Democrats,


2187. Andy Burnham, 24,000... CHEERING and APPLAUSE


. Going Andy Burnham's way. I think we have reached Oldham or Rochdale


in the Greater Manchester declaration, so not many to go.


Let's stay on that for a second, because I am wondering if we can


bring in Karen quickly just to answer the point about this being a


platform for a Labour politician might Andy Burnham to show what


Labour might do if it were in power. And in that sense, it is creating a


power base for one of your opponents, which you might think


down the cause, might be less than helpful? We have been clear we want


to see strong devolution and to see strong, local and regional


government. I think what this election the show, throughout the


course of the afternoon there has been an assumption on the 8th of


June this will be a walk in the park for the Conservatives. Clearly,


there are votes for Labour and there are people who will vote for Labour


and they will vote for parties other than the Conservatives. It comes


back to the clear choice people will have on the 8th of June as to


whether they want the strong and stable leadership of Theresa May or


they want coalition chaos. John has said he would not go into coalition


with the Conservatives, so he obviously is prepared to go into


coalition with Jeremy Corbyn propping him up. You are right, we


have debated the rape clause, which is absurd, we are seeing what the


Tories are doing with disability cuts. So on a range of issues, both


you and I get on great, the policy is your government is putting


through our obnoxious in many areas. Absolutely, we would not help


implement them with the Tories. The point is, your Prime Minister called


this election, not for the national interest, but purely party political


advantage. And we all know it. She thought she had a window in the


polls, she had previously known very well when Article 50 was going to be


triggered and when the negotiations would start and when they will


finish. At that point she said, she would not call a general election


until 2020. Now, she has decided to do it at this window because she


knows the negotiations are not going to go in the way the British people


think is well. Afterwards she doesn't want to be boxed into a


general election. That is why she wanted an overwhelming majority. She


may find that actually, if you look at the figures, the figures that


have been put up by the national share of the vote, it is coming in


at 38% for the Conservatives. It is coming in at 27% for Labour and


about 18% for the Liberal Democrats. That is why you should be very


worried. Because actually, the Liberal Democrats have nine MPs in


Parliament, we have 229 and if we have that surge, you will have


called a general election for your own benefit and it will not work.


She called the election at the only time an election can be held between


now and the end of the negotiations of Article 50. This is the only


window there is. She said she would not do it. She repeatedly said she


would not do that. I don't talk over you. She said she had the mandate


that is needed to get the best result for Britain and the right


deal with Europe. Seven times she said she wouldn't. She has decided


in the national interest to do that. That is not true. Nothing is taken


for granted, no politician goes into a general election on the assumption


the polls will be working for them, you do it because it is in the


national interest and it is the right thing to do. This narrative


would work if you had been in lots of troubles in the Commons over


Brexit. Can I Askew how many votes on Brexit... We know the answer to


that. It is clear, and the House of Lords, they will hamper anything. It


is the job of politicians in a democracy to hold the government to


account. It is chilling to hear the Prime Minister angrily denouncing


the role of the opposition. You haven't lost one vote in the House


of Commons over Brexit. Your Prime Minister promised on seven separate


occasions that she would not hold an election. She has clearly lost faith


with the British public over what she has done. You have gone to the


electorate because you know you can whip Labour now and when Brexit


starts to go badly wrong in about 18 months' time, there will be no


opposition because there will be ranks of Conservative MPs, possibly


as much as 100 all tripping through the lobbies. It is bad for


democracy. I take issue that any others have lost faith with the


British public. We are implementing what the British public asked her to


do. I am talking about calling the election. I am going to pause it


there because we are representing the Conservatives, the SNP and


Labour of course, we want to get the Liberal Democrats perspective. We


were talking earlier on to Tom and Jenny, but Tim Farron, the party


leader is in Saint all buns today. This is what has been going on


there. You guys deserve the applause. Well done.


Congratulations. Great news, all of you. Thank you so much all of you


for being here. I am not here by accident, St Albans is a wonderful


place to visit, but particularly on the day the Liberal Democrats top


the poll here in the constituency. It bodes incredibly well for Daisy


in five weeks but she could be our new member of Parliament. This is


one of many constituencies around the country where the Liberal


Democrats top the polls, double our seats, as things would appear at the


moment on the general election on the 8th of June. Increasing our vote


share by 7%, are best in any election nationally for seven years.


Double the increased the Tories have experienced in terms of a shower


around the country with the Labour Party utterly imploding and


devastated like no other opposition party in recent memory. But there is


another lesson to learn from last night about as apart from the


Liberal Democrats' revival and success around the country, we still


see Britain headed for a Conservative landslide. Now, imagine


this, imagine the reason may on the 9th of June with a majority larger


than Margaret that should's. Imagine what that means for your family,


what it means for you, what it means for your job security, what it means


for your hospital, schools with a colossal Conservative majority like


that. I don't need to imagine it, I grew up in a community under a


government like that. I grew up in a community in the 1980s with a


government with that kind of majority taking us for granted. I


grew up in a community where half of my mates' parents and me included,


spent time out of work because we had a government that at Tate


Britain for granted. They can take you for granted, your family for


granted. I want to leave the country that says that is not acceptable. I


am determined over the next five weeks, we will put an end to that


Coronation Theresa May now expects. If you wanted prevent the


Conservatives taking you, your family, your schools and hospital


for granted, it is only a liberal Democrat who will stand up for you.


I want my children to grow up in a country where people are decent to


one another and can expect the state to be decent to them. I am


determined I will leave that kind of country here in St Albans and in


campus places around the country, we have shown it is only the Liberal


Democrats who can offer you the hope that Britain will not be led by a


1-party state on the 9th of June. Do not let Theresa May take you for


granted. Imagine a better Britain. Thank you. Tim Farron in St Albans.


He chose St Albans because the one for wards in the city of St Albans


and the Liberal Democrats won all four of them. It was 70% Remain.


Most of the contests yesterday where in leave England rather than remain


England. There are a handful of liberal target seat where people


voted remain. These results over the country will be disappointing for


the Liberal Democrats. But that result in St Albans gives them hope


that it may be half a dozen target seats where there went election just


sedate where there was a big Remain vote last year and maybe the Liberal


Democrats are back in play. Can I pick up on what Tim Farron was


saying? I think that is right, what we may see a few extra liberal seats


in those Remain areas because they appealed directly only to the 48%


Remain. They ignored the second part of their title, Democrat in ignoring


the referendum, but that is another matter. We are just watching Nicola


Sturgeon arriving at SNP headquarters. Those are the images.


Tim Farron was pointing out we don't want to wake up on June nine in a


1-party state. Even if he gets five or six and increases his share of


members in the House of Commons by 50, 60%, he will have 14, 15


members. We have 229 in the Labour Party. The only party in the House


of Commons who will be able to stop what Tim Farron was talking about


which is an monolithic government trampling over people in this


country, is the Labour Party and that is why we need to get out on


the doorstep and get the message across. This is Nicola Sturgeon, the


First Minister, congratulating her campaigners. We will come back to


talk about the results in Scotland, including Edinburgh in a moment.


Let's go to Manchester because they are now in the final stages of this


declaration in the Metro Mayor, that is Andy Burnham. Putting England


first, 11,000 115. UK Independence Party, 10500 and 83. Will Patterson,


the Green party, 13400 and 24. The total number of first preference


votes was 566,000 735. The total number of ballot papers rejected at


first count or 6808. Therefore I declare that Andy Burnham is duly


elected as the mayor of the Manchester combined authority. Those


are the figures. A turnout of 29%. Taking more than 350,000 votes.


Conservatives in second place. Let's listen to what Andy Burnham has got


to say. Thank you everybody. This is an


historic day for Greater Manchester. I want to thank all those who have


worked so hard to make it happen, particularly so Howard Bernstein and


Tony Lloyd. I want to thank the staff of our ten councils who have


been working to count the votes. The combined authority and Greater


Manchester Police, who have run the selection so smoothly. I must thank


my incredible campaign team chaired by Andrew Quin MP and of course,


Kevin Lee. Thanks so much to you all. I want to also thank my fellow


candidates, particularly from the main parties under Green Party for


making this a friendly and positive campaign which has set the right


tone for a new era in Greater Manchester. But most of all I want


to thank the people of Greater Manchester. You have given me a big


job to do and a big mandate with which to do it. I will give it my


all and I will let you down. -- will not let you down. All I can say is,


63% of the vote! I hear that down the road in Liverpool, the candour


that there got 59% of the vote. I think we can all say today, that is


Manchester 1-0. Whether you voted for me or not, it doesn't matter, I


will be the mayor for you, for the people, a strong voice for all of


Greater Manchester. This is the dawn of a new era, not just for the city


region but for politics in our country. It has been to London


centric. The old political party structures haven't delivered for all


people and all places. They have created this crisis in politics,


which we are living through now. And do you know what? We can hold as


many general elections as we like and that would never solve the


problem. People here have worked hard to get to this moment and we're


not going to waste it. Greater Manchester is going to take control.


We are going to change politics and make it work better for people. We


will give power and purpose to those people and places Westminster has


left behind. We will get the voice of the North heard more loudly than


ever before. We ask that people are Greater Manchester to help us write


the manifesto and now I invite them to help us implement it. We will


leave the same old politics behind in Westminster, create a new


politics here and involve people in new ways. Here, focus will be on


making a difference, not point-scoring. Here, people won't be


the target for cuts, you will be the priority for investment. Here, older


people won't be labelled bed blockers, but treated with respect.


And here, in this great city, we will never accept it as an


inevitable fact of modern life, that for some people to succeed, others


had to sleep rough on a cold streets. Andy Burnham, the newly


elected Metro Mayor, one of six posts created. He thanked the Green


Party for the spirit in which the campaign has been conducted. The


Greens getting 2% in the Greater Manchester contest. Jonathan Bartley


of the Green Party has been waiting patiently to talk to others. Your


thoughts on, not just Manchester, but the broad results? I noticed in


Edinburgh are you had done well with eight seats, but your thoughts on


your performance overall? A tough night for progressive parties.


Coming up with national gains, openings from the Isle of Wight 's,


the Highlands down to the Somerset levels, we have made gains. I wonder


if you should have a word with your boss because you are giving


disproportionate coverage to far right politicians from Ukip and they


have ended up with one seed. We are going to make in excess of 20 just


in England and Wales and we are showing we are a national party. All


the other parties are losing seats on the progressive side. Let's have


some fair coverage. Show us on the telly, let people see what we have


got because when people do see the Green Party, they vote for the Green


Party. The total collapse in the Ukip seat numbers is a story,


Jonathan, which ever way you look at it? It is a story and there is a


lesson to be learned. There was a big surge nationally and it wasn't


about engaging with local communities, they went in on the


tide and now the tide has gone out and they have collapsed. With the


Greens, we are holding a lot of seats and we are working to get the


nitty-gritty sorted out, the bins collected and standing up in the


context Brexit. What is a local authority if it isn't about


protecting the environment and things around us. People do vote for


the Greens. I have just been in the Isle of Wight where we have our


first counsellor. We hope to make again on the back of that with a


surge in the next general election and maybe win the Parliamentary


seat. It is about gaining the trust of local communities and offering


ourselves as a vote for people to centre Westminster. Why did you lose


your representation in Oxford and Norfolk? In Norfolk, there is a very


left move within the Labour Party there which came on to some of our


territory. Whether they were called and sympathisers, it is harder to


distinguish. There are local factors at play but also national factors at


play as well. Thank you for joining us. Well, that's it from the


election Centre. If you are watching on BBC Two. The BBC News channel


coverage will continue. Thanks to my guests in the studio who have been


in the studio. Our coverage continues for another couple of


hours and there are still results to come, so don't think the story is


over. Coverage continues for a couple of hours on the BBC News


channel. Lots more to come. Join me then with a new panel in just a


moment. But if you are watching on BBC Two, it has been good to have


your company, thanks for watching and the bye for now.


Good afternoon. It is 4pm. Welcome to our special live coverage of the


local elections in England, Wales and Scotland. Lots of results in but


quite a few still to come. Thousands of councillors being elected and


they are responsible for delivering what's of your essential services.


That's the real importance of this democratic exercise. It's all


happening under the shadow of a general election campaign which


slightly changes things as well. We'll have the results in as they


are declared, we've just had the results on the Manchester mayoral


contest. The Conservatives having a very good set of results, they've


gained over 500 councillors across England, Scotland and Wales. They


took Derbyshire from Labour, that was a big result and they've also


one two -- they've also won two mayoral contests today. Labour have


lost overall control of Glasgow City Council which they've held for


nearly 40 years. In wealth they have lost several councils but in Cardiff


they kept control, also Swansea and Newport. In England so far they've


lost nearly 150 councillors, many of those to the Conservatives. Andy


Burnham has been elected to the first Metro Mayor position in


greater Manchester. He took 63% of the vote. What about Ukip who did so


well four years ago? They've had a terrible time, losing virtually


every seat they were defending. They are down by nearly 150 councillors


so far. The party has been wiped out in Lincolnshire, Hampshire and


ethics and their vote share is down dramatically, most of it going to


the Conservatives. We'll be keeping an eye on quite a few areas


including Birmingham for that crucial race for the Metro Mayor of


the West Midlands, another new position created. This is a fight


between Labour and Conservatives, between Andy Street and Sion Simon.


We hope that result will be in in the next hour or so. Stay with us


for that. Very soon these seats will be filled


next to be and we'll have Iain Duncan Smith, John McDonnell for


Labour. They are on their way to the studio and Peter Kellner is with me


once again and we will be talking about some of the trends we've been


spotting today. Let's have a quick look at the scorecard because I'd


like to look at that now. We spoke to Jonathan Barkley a few


minutes ago. Ukip have lost 139 seats so far, they have the one


council seat in these results. It's been a very turbulent time for them.


We'll be back in a few minutes to speak to our guests and to pick up


on the latest results coming in. In the meantime let's join Jane for the


day's news. The Conservatives have


made significant gains in the local elections,


with Labour performing poorly The Tories have gained 11 councils -


including taking Derbyshire County Labour have lost six councils -


including Glasgow City Council In the last half an hour


Labour's Andy Burnham has been Our political correspondent


Eleanor Garnier has more. APPLAUSE


It's the Conservatives with the biggest shares. They've gained


overall control in more than ten councils, including Derbyshire,


Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire. Conservative Party candidate is duly


elected as mayor for the Tees Valley combined authority. And a huge win


in one of Labour's former heartlands saw the Conservative candidate


become elected mayor. In Cumbria the Tories have replace Labour as the


largest party, but senior Conservatives are playing down


expectations ahead of the general election. The turnout in local


elections is much lower than in a general election. It's wrong to


predict what's going to happen on June the 8th. We are still going to


have a general election to campaign for and a win after last night. But


encouraging signs. The Tories are celebrating in Essex too, where this


time round voters turned their backs on Ukip. In Lincolnshire where


Ukip's leader Paul Nuttall will fight for a Westminster seat next


month, the party was wiped out. And with such big losses, Ukip's future


is in question. I've been in Ukip for four years, the amount of times


I've heard the phrase Ukip is finished, I've lost count. If I had


a pound of everyone I would probably be quite a rich woman. It's not over


till it's over and despite these pretty poor results, it's not over.


The former Labour MP Andy Burnham is now the new mayor of greater


Manchester, and there was success for the party in Liverpool too,


where Steve rubber room was elected mayor of the city region. But


elsewhere, it's been a torrid time for Labour, losing more than 320


seats so far. In Glasgow where Labour has been in power for more


than 30 years, it's now lost overall control. These other counties which


other Tory strongholds. It was going to be a tough night for Labour


anyway and we are in the middle of a general election campaign. People


operating largely on local issues, not necessarily on national ones.


What is coming across is that where people were predicting we would be


wiped out, in places like Wales we've done very well. You guys


deserve the applause! No significant breakthrough for the Lib Dems but


they are making the most of their results. The Liberal Democrats are


really encouraging, we topped the poll in many more seats than we


currently hold. We would double our number of MPs of the result was


replicated last night, our best result for seven years. The Green


Party says with the Tories dominating other parties need to


collaborate. I'm worried about how well the Conservatives have done in


terms of the Green Party and for the future of progressive politics.


There has to be a wake-up call to parties on the left and centre left


a think about how we work together under this incredibly undemocratic


system. For some, the results today have been too close to call, the


Tories were denied an overall majority in Northumberland after the


Lib Dem candidate literally drew the longest straw. Now, it's back to the


counting. There's still plenty of that to be done.


A scheme to get older, more polluting vans or cars off


the roads could be introduced, under draft plans published


The proposals are part of efforts to cut air pollution caused by cars


There could also be clean air zones in England -


which might include charges to enter designated areas.


The final day of campaigning is continuing in the French


The Far-right candidate Marine Le Pen was heckled


during her visit to Reims cathedral, in northern France.


The centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron - who has


a substantial lead in opinion polls - has visited the southern


That's a summary of the news - now back to Local Elections


Welcome back. It's coming up to ten past four. Apart from say hello to


our guests and welcome them to the studio, is get a quick update from


the West Midlands because that is the big result coming in. Probably


within the next 90 minutes although who am I to say? Patrick Burns is


there. Let's have the latest on this big fight that is happening there. I


think we can probably do better than your estimate, I think it might be


45 minutes away. I did say earlier on that this had the makings of a


photo finish between the Conservative candidate Andy Street,


the former John Lewis boss, and Sion Simon the Labour candidate, former


minister under Gordon Brown. On the first round of first preference


votes, Andy Street had a majority of 6000. If you do the percentages


that's just a tiny bit over 1% of the total first preference votes


cast. Extraordinarily close. What we have is one of the seven counts.


There's one in each of the Metropolitan Council areas around


the West Midlands, this is the biggest in Birmingham. What's


happening now is that the second preference votes from the vote


originally cast further for other candidates, who have now been


eliminated, are factored into the totals. Then you get the aggregate


figure which leads eventually to the decision over all. A footnote to


this is that the two front runners, Andy Street and Sion Simon didn't


appear for the declaration of the first round of voting, and the other


four who have been eliminated took such a dim view that they've agreed


what I might call a Faustian pact, and they have left and are going to


boycott the final declaration. So you'll just see the two of them for


the final declaration. As we factor in the second preference votes from


the other candidates, Andy Street still has just a nose of an


advantage in this photo finish analogy. One killer statistic to go


back to you with is there have been 55 mayoral elections in England and


in only five of those has the candidate who finished second on the


first round of first preference is gone on to win. Let's talk about


body language because that is a favourite exercise of hours on these


occasions. I'm just wondering, when you look at the balance of the other


people there and when we look at those eliminated candidates and we


try to make sense of where those rates might go, are there any


signals from the teams themselves as to whether they think they are onto


a better share of that the others? I can tell you the body language among


both the Andy Street and Sion Simon camps is anxious, absolutely nerve


shredding. As you might understand given the narrowness of it. The


other thing that's telling is that before the Liberal Democrat team


left, they were sort of in an intriguing position, and they feel


the sense they have had of where their second preferences might go,


that it feels to them like its 50-50. That adds to this overall


sense of knife edge Photofit -- photo finish. The other question is


where we'll be 29,000 Ukip second preference votes go, if they did


indeed espresso second preference, because it is optional -- express a


second preference. The only set second preferences around those of


accounts we're getting reports from suggest they may go to the Tories.


You reckon 45 minutes? Fingers crossed. We'll be back. We'll hold


you to it! Patrick Burns keeping an eye on things in Birmingham. That's


a bit of a nailbiter. It is, we knew it would be close. But what now we


are down to the scientific language of body language and it shows you


how close it really is! I'm disappointed the other candidates


aren't going to be there. It's a democracy figure do say, but yes it


is close. I suppose, given that you've had a pretty difficult night


and day, nobody is pretending you haven't had a difficult time, I'm


wondering therefore does this result assume an even greater importance


for you and an even greater victory for you? It would give you a big


victory to brandish at the end of the day. I think the results have


been extremely mixed. We saw Andy Burnham's result. I watched the


individual counts, because they announced all ten individually.


Winning a majority in virtually every counts as well. The Northwest


is web the Conservatives targeted so I found that quite reassuring. We


knew it would be close in the West Midlands. I think for us it's been


tough, let's admit it, it's been disappointing. But there have been


mixed results. Where people were predicting we might have been wiped


out, in Wales in particular, and we might have experienced difficulties


like in the north-west, that hasn't happened. South Lanarkshire, Labour


has lost control of that. As John was speaking to me that came up. Yet


another Scottish result, Labour having lost control. The SNP on 27,


the Labour Party on 22, the Conservatives on 14. We are probably


looking at another conservative surge. Let's look at the difference.


Again, in the broad context, I know that the Scottish story clearly is


very different parts of England and Wales, the context is different, but


you've seen a pretty clear picture there of a Conservative Party in


parts of Scotland making inroads, and taking votes from former Labour


voters. That's been direct, why is that happening? There's an element


of the problems that we've experienced for a number of years in


Scotland. We knew it was going to be a long haul to rebuild. I think


there's a reaction against Nicola Sturgeon for people wanting to vote


for a Unionist party like the Conservatives, even though the


Labour Party is strongly in favour of the union. I think there's been


that sort of division. I think there's a fair amount of


disillusionment with politics in Scotland as well. We've admitted


it's going to be a long haul for Labour to regain in Scotland. I'm


going to bring in Kezia Dugdale in a second. A quick thought on what


we've heard so far. Prospects for a tight contest in the West Midlands


and indeed some of the areas of Scotland you've done rather well in.


The Conservatives have played this town but I agree with John. What you


are seeing is a patchy results and you can't extrapolate from this into


a general election result. The cities in Manchester and Liverpool


have elected Labour. So, there's a different picture emerging. If I


want to focus on Scotland for a second, what is great and macro


quite interesting in Scotland is in areas and South Lanarkshire is


traditionally a conservative area, and in parts of Glasgow, is a very


deprived area where you are beginning to see Conservative


candidates coming through. I'm pleased in one sense, but the


Conservatives are taking a message to some of the more deprived areas


and getting that message across which is an important thing for


rebuilding the Conservative Party in Scotland. But overall this isn't a


moment for extrapolating to the general election because these are


council elections and we have to be cautious about where this takes us.


Indeed we do. Let's have a look at the Edinburgh result. Edinburgh is a


hung council. What's the difference between today


and 2012? We heard earlier on from our


correspondent in Edinburgh about the areas of the city that have been


doing well for the Conservatives. Labour losing nine in Edinburgh.


It's a good moment for us to bring in Kezia Dugdale, the Labour leader


in Scotland. Thank you for talking to us. Can we have your overall


judgment so far? It's undoubtedly a disappointing result for Labour in


Scotland. Not particularly a surprise here. The polls in Scotland


have consistently shown labour around 15%. A number of newspapers


last week said we would lose every single one of our councils. The


reality is that we are topping the tables in at least four areas across


the country in Inverclyde, East Lothian, Midlothian, North Ayrshire


Labour at the top of the results today. In many towns and cities its


Labour that other strong opposition to the SNP. What happened today is


you seen the constitutional politics biting Scotland once again. It's yes


versus no in that regard. You are down 103 seats, I'm just saying that


the viewers to understand what has gone on. The Conservatives up 142 in


Scotland, the SNP down 17. Let's talk about Glasgow which has been


such a Labour stronghold. How much of a blow was that? You've got to


remember that Glasgow Warriors a very strong yes city. I think this


is a disappointing result for the SNP in Glasgow. They were screaming


and shouting in the chambers but the reality is the SNP tick every seat


in that city in 2015, every seat in 2016, they should have walked it.


Their vote share is falling from the mid-50% to around 40%. It's not


clear what the results in Glasgow is going to be but once again


constitutional politics to the fore. It is the case that wherever you are


across Scotland, it's Labour that offers the strong opposition to the


SNP. That's what we are going to do, we are going out on the streets


tomorrow and start the campaign for the general election. By voting


Labour you can reject a second independence referendum and also


vote for your public services. I heard Iain Duncan Smith trying to


declare victory for the Tories in the East End of Glasgow. That's not


people putting their faith in the Tory plans for public services, that


is constitutional politics. Once again it will turn to the Labour


Party to reject the cut off by the SNP and the Tories and that's what


every single one of our local champions elected today is going to


do. Just understand, on the basis of this performance and the fact you


suffered quite heavy losses in this context in Scotland, how confident


can you be looking ahead five weeks to June the 8th? I hope we are going


to make progress in the general election. East Lothian is an example


of that, seat currently held by the SNP, Labour has won that today.


We've got an excellent candidate the general election. I think you'll see


in things like that across the country, Labour coming to the fore.


Rejecting independence, rejecting a second referendum but also focusing


on the bread and butter issues, living standards, the housing


crisis, investment in school than the NHS. Labour is going to do what


it's always done and focus on representing the many, not the few.


Thank you for joining us. The Highland result is in, just for us


to give you the latest result from Scotland. The independents have a


big presence in the Highland, it's a hung council.


The Conservatives again making the biggest gains there in council


seats. So, looking at that Lib Dem figure, I was looking across


Scotland actually. We are down at two overall in Scotland. Really,


where you were in a sense in the Scottish picture. It's interesting


because we've made some losses but we've also made some gains. What's


really encouraging for Scotland and elsewhere is that we've made gains


and topped the poll in places like Edinburgh West and East and Barton


share where we had the seats before in 2015. From our perspective it's


encouraging because we are seeing the great back in the seats we will


be fighting for in five weeks' time. Just to underline that, I'm


wondering where would you pick out for us specifically on the basis of


the performance last night and today, and we are still seeing some


results coming in of significance for the Lib Dems, when you look


ahead five weeks. When you say you have a realistic hope, where is


that? Certainly the seat somebody mentioned and some seats in the


although not the amount people were expecting. There's absolutely no


doubt that if the percentage share of the vote being projected an hour


ago of 18%, then you look in the microclimate areas of specific


seats, where we are topping the poll, Cambridge for example, that's


really strong for us and we will be expecting to make gains from


conservatives and Labour. The Prime Minister has been talking about


these elections and maybe giving us a few hints about what might be in


course in a few weeks' time. The Prime Minister today has been in


Brentford and she's just been speaking. Since I became Prime


Minister, I've been determined to make sure that this is a government


that works for the whole country, and it is encouraging that we have


won support across the whole of the UK. But I won't take anything for


granted and neither will the team I lead, because there is too much at


stake. This isn't about who wins and who loses in the local elections, it


is about continuing to fight for the best Brexit deal for families and


businesses across the UK, to lock in the economic progress we've made and


get on with the job of making a success of the years ahead. The


reality is that today, despite the evident will of the British people,


we have bureaucrats in Europe who are questioning our resolve to get


the right deal. The reality is that only a general election vote for the


Conservatives in 34 days' time will strengthen my hand to get the best


deal for Britain from Brexit. So today, I will continue my efforts to


earn the support of you, the people. The Prime Minister. Picking up the


theme that she developed the other day in Downing Street in those


outspoken remarks, when she was telling people what she thought


about the latest reports coming out of Brussels to do with the Brexit


process. We'll talk a bit about that with my guests, but we are joined by


Andy Burnham who has just been elected as the new method greater


Manchester. Many congratulations on the result. -- the new mayor of


Manchester. Thank you. I should also congratulate you on the longest


declaration of all time. It's a big place greater Manchester! What are


you going to do with the powers you've been given. They are


significant powers, there's a big budget attached to this, it was all


down to the plan George Osborne and David Cameron put into effect. What


are you going to do with those powers? Change politics. We are


going to build a whole new way of doing things here. That was the call


from people in greater Manchester and we are going to respond. We are


going to start Monday morning on homelessness. That was the issue of


the campaign. It troubles me it's barely featured in the general


election campaign but people are worried about it, they don't like to


see at, and so they know the government has created debt but they


want action and I will take action. Monday morning we will set up a new


homelessness fund and get on with the job. That's how devolution can


change things. We can, tissues from a different direction. That's what


we are going to do. -- we can redirect issues. Your election is in


contrast to Labour performances elsewhere in England and Wales, how


would you describe the party's performance? It's a very mixed


picture. It's not encouraging in some places. There is an emphatic


result here, I'm proud of the result that we have achieved here. It's not


a day for me to comment on everywhere else, I've been running a


strong campaign here in greater Manchester about how we're going


change things. And really help the North Finder 's political voice.


That is what I've come into this contest to do. Westminster isn't


going to solve things. We could have as many general elections as we


like, in my view it's not going to change the London centric politics


we've got. Or my focus is on taking this mandate and using it to change


politics for the better and give the law a stronger political voice than


had before. All of this has been taking place in the context of a


general election, we just the Prime Minister say again that in her view


this election all about continuing the fight for the best Brexit deal


for families and businesses across the UK. Do you accept that this does


come down to a Brexit process and if so, where does that leave Labour?


Personally I think this is an unnecessary general election,


because Parliament triggered Article 50, it voted in that way to respect


the referendum result. I think this is a self-serving politics from a


power hungry Prime Minister. We should be getting on with the job


right now of getting that good deal, building bridges with Europe, not


burning those bridges as the Prime Minister seems to be doing. She


wants to make it all about Brexit and nothing else. There are rising


numbers of people huddled in the doorways of greater Manchester,


we've got schools sending begging letters home to parents, and NHS in


growing crisis. What about those issues? When will they be debated


properly? What I see is a self-serving move by the


Conservative Party. They wanted all on their own terms, they call an


election and bingo running unprepared to face the public and


the TV debates. It's not good enough in my view. We will get on with the


job here. People want to see devolution work. To be honest, it's


frustrating the primers to call the general election in the middle of


this election which was quite a big change in the way our country is


run. I think people want to see this process work and not have it


completely overshadowed by the general election. A final word on


the turnout which was 29%, it's got to be a sort of disappointment to


you. It is a new role and when you look


at the Mayor of London, it was a similar turnout. A moment ago, at


the crucial moments of the campaign, the Prime Minister decided to call a


general election. To be honest, I find that very frustrating. A


dysfunctional Westminster has intruded into this situation, which


I would argue is the best solution we have got to reconnect people with


politics. Instead, the old way of doing things has crowded that


thinking out. Greater Manchester will take this moment to change the


way we do politics, make it work better for people here, make it more


meaningful and involve people in different ways. We are living


through a political crisis now and I don't think the Westminster system


knows how to solve it. We do. We asked people for their ideas in the


manifesto we put forward and now we will ask the people of Greater


Manchester to help us deliver it. Andy Burnham, the new Metro Mayor


for Greater Manchester. He is enjoying his victory but we will


talk about the broader themes of the campaign that will come up. I am


hoping to talk to Nicola Sturgeon, the First Minister of Scotland in a


moment. Before that, Andy Burnham made a few serious accusations


against the Prime Minister, for the reasons she has called the election


and the way she is trying to manipulate it, as he sees it around


Brexit. What is your answer? First of all, I congratulate him for being


so successful, wish him all the best. I don't agree with him in the


sense of why she called it. There are some good reasons why. She


really does need a personal mandate in these negotiations to show that


as an elected Prime Minister she is able to conduct those negotiations


in Europe in a strong way. She has talked about strong and stable


leadership. And also, somebody said he will recall that because you


don't want to run into the election. There is a good reason why. If you


are conducting negotiations that have a two-year limited timescale


and if the other side knows your focus will move quickly to an


election, it is in their interest to delay quite a lot of that and let it


run because the pressure would build on the British negotiating team


because they know they will have to start preparing for an election. By


clearing this away and giving us another two years she ensures there


is no lack of focus in the general election. Finally, everybody from


the Labour Party, the Scottish Nationalists, everybody, has a


charge against Theresa May saying, you haven't got a personal mandate.


We hope she is going to get that now. What Andy Burnham says, this is


not a foregone conclusion. It is very feasible but Labour could do


much better in the general election and therefore we have to fight hard


and put the issue of strong and stable leadership at the forefront


against chaotic leadership of the Labour Party. I want to go to


Glasgow because we will talk about leadership there because the First


Minister, Nicola Sturgeon joins us now. Good afternoon to you. Hello.


What do you make of your performance so far? I am looking at the Scotland


scoreboard. I will show it to the viewers now. It is showing me the


SNP so far are on 350 council seats, they have lost 17 the Tories have


surged and they are in second place with Labour in third. How would you


describe the SNP's performance? I am delighted. We have more votes, more


seats and we are the largest party with more councils than any other


party in Scotland. It is a clear and emphatic victory for the SNP. We are


the largest city in Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen and in Glasgow,


where we have today ended 40 years of Labour control of Glasgow City


Council. This is a fantastic victory. In terms of the Tory


support, that has come from Labour. It is not the SNP losing ground to


the Tory. If you look at the Labour and Tory support they are almost a


mirror image of each other. The soul-searching in Scotland today has


to be done by the Labour Party. For the SNP, I am delighted it is


another clear election victory and a great springboard for the general


election. John Curtis was saying earlier, your performance as a party


is not as strong as it was in 2015, 16 and he pointed out you had a


realistic expectation of taking control of Glasgow City Council. Why


didn't that happen? As John Curtis knows, we have proportional


representation. The majority is the exception and not the rule. We set


out to win Glasgow and we have. In terms of the comparison with 2015


and 2016, those who are Parliamentary elections, this is a


council election. The SNP vote has held up our share and the seats have


held up and we will be the largest party in more councils. Perhaps the


majority of councils, although that is not absolutely clear yet. There


is no way anybody can spin this result as anything other than a very


clear and emphatic win for the SNP. It puts us in pole position to


protect services and gives us a great springboard for the general


election. It is clear the Tories are on track to win the general


election, so if people in Scotland won strong voices and a strong


opposition to the Tories, that can only come from the SNP. You keep


saying clear and emphatic and I wonder how that squares with the


outcome in Dundee where you lost overall control? We were one seat


short. I come back to the point, people who pay close attention to


the elections will understand we have a single transferable vote for


council elections in Scotland, proportional representation.


Majorities are not usual, they are the exception and not the rule.


There may well be in Scotland that has majority control after this


election, but we are the largest party in not just Dundee, but


Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Glasgow, a whole host of other councils across


the country. In very simple terms, the SNP will emerge from this


election with more votes than any other party by some distance, with


more seats than any other party and in the driving seat of more councils


than any other party. By anybody's standards, that is a clear and


emphatic win for the SNP in this election. Bear with us, we have


north Lanarkshire in. I want to show the viewers. It is a hung council,


33 to your party, 32 to Labour, tend to do Conservatives and two to the


Liberal Dems. Labour have lost 12 and the Tories, this is a pattern we


have seen a lot of, the Tories have gained ten seats on North


Lanarkshire Council. To go back to your reasoning as to why the


Conservatives are making a few inroads here, your colleague, John


Nicholson was in effect complaining because he thought Ruth Davidson had


gone on about the concept of the Constitution and independence


referendum. It was put to him that the strategy has worked in lots of


these areas. What do you say? North Lanarkshire illustrates my point


very well. It is not the only council to do so. North Lanarkshire,


like Glasgow, they use two-way the Labour vote, the SNP is now the


largest party. If you look at North Lanarkshire, the SNP has improved


its standing and what you see is almost a mirror image of Labour and


the Conservatives. Labour have seeds that have fallen and the Tories have


gone up. So the question about the Tory performance, with the greatest


of respect, are not questions for me because it is not the SNP who has


lost ground to the Tories. The questions about the Tory support our


questions for the Labour Party. We saw the start of this last year, we


have seen a collapse in the Labour Party vote and that is where the


Tories are picking up their support. It is not coming from the SNP


because the SNP continues to be strong and continues to win these


elections. Understood, but we are interested in your view. Bear with


us, John McDonnell is here and your thoughts and why the First Minister


thinks Labour has suffered in parts of Scotland? I think Nicola Sturgeon


should be worried because the SNP surge has come to a halt. Whatever


she is saying at the moment, they were expected to take Glasgow, they


were expecting greater gains than this. What reflects is an increasing


rejection of any concept of further independence referendum. Those votes


have gone to the Tories. I am disappointed at Labour's position in


a number of areas, but it means the SNP's surge we have seen has come to


a halt. They are beginning to fall back and that is a rejection of any


concept of the independence referendum. That is certainly right.


The SNP have been going backwards and it is clear, talking to


colleagues in Scotland a couple of weeks ago, the Conservatives'


literature was full of know the independence referendum two. Iain


Duncan Smith? It was the First Minister herself, who made a big


issue about independence referendum. She put it on the table, she called


for it and told Theresa May she wanted it ASAP. I don't think when


the Scottish Nationalists complain about there being an issue about the


referendum, they have any ground to stand on because they raise this as


the single issue they felt was important in Scotland. I think it is


the right, legitimate tactic, but if you look at other literature, it was


often about local issues as well. This is a huge feather in the for


Ruth Davidson, it is a personal leadership issue, she has become the


person to take on the First Minister and Scottish Nationalists and is


making ground. This is very good for politics in Scotland. First


Minister, thoughts on your prospects as you see them in five weeks on the


8th of June? I am looking forward to the general election and the


performance of the SNP is a great springboard for that campaign. I


will come back to that in a second, but if I may pick up on some of the


points I have been listening to. If the Tories want to say it was a


campaign about independence, the Tories have to face up to the fact


they put that centre stage and the SNP have won this election in


Scotland and the Tories have lost it. As far as John McDonnell is


concerned, I know Labour doesn't have much to smile about in any part


of the UK, but Labour has seen its vote collapse in Scotland. Those in


the Labour ranks who support independence have long since started


to vote for the SNP and now we see those who don't support


independence, going to the Conservatives. Labour is in a sorry


state. I am standing in a city that I have been politically active in


for most of my a dull life. They used to weigh the Labour voting


Glasgow, now the SNP holds every constituency and we are now the


largest party at council level about to form an administration. In terms


of the general election, it is a clear on the back of the English


results, Theresa May is on course to win the election. What the question


is for Scotland is, do we want to make sure we have strong voices the


Scotland with an opposition that can hold the Tory government to account?


It is clear Labour cannot do that, they are barely fit for opposition


and certainly not fit for government. If you want that from


Scotland, it can only come from the SNP and that is a very good spring


board as we go into the 8th of June. I have to make this point, two years


ago, the vote of the SNP in the general election was greater than


that of the three main Unionist parties put together, Labour,


Conservative and liberal Democrat. Looking at these results, as of


yesterday, a fairly substantial majority for the three Unionist


parties combined over the SNP. A reasonably substantial vote. It may


be very different in five weeks, but the question I would like to ask


Nicola Sturgeon, given first past the post, you are bound to come out


with a clear majority of seats in Scotland. But if the vote for the


Unionist parties is substantially greater than the vote for the SNP,


does that affect your thinking about another referendum? No, it doesn't.


With the greatest respect, I am focusing on winning the general


election. We have just won council election. What I think is


interesting, forgive me there is a result been declared here, so I am


not hearing very much at the moment. But it is interesting we have other


parties in Scotland who are seeing the SNP winning election, at the


election, at the election, who are trying to redefine what victory and


defeat means because they know they cannot win. I will continue to focus


on getting more seats and votes than any other party and by any


definition that will be the SNP continuing to win the election. I am


not taking anything for granted for the general election, we have a


campaign ahead and part of the success for the SNP over the last


decade has been not taking voters for granted. In Glasgow, what


happens to parties when they take the electorate for granted as Labour


has done over many years. First Minister, banks are battling against


the noise in the background. Thank you. Nicola Sturgeon. An interesting


point in terms of the reconfiguration and your question


about what that change the thinking on a second independence referendum.


We had a straight response, which you would expect, but it is an


interesting point. Under the local election, under proportional


representation, it is hard for any party to win out right and the SNP


won fewer votes and seats than the three Unionist parties put together.


General election, back to first past the post so you could have a


situation where the SNP win 40, 40 5% of the vote for examples and


maybe win 50 out of 59 seats. But when you add together the votes of


the three Unionist parties, if you had had the local election in the


general election, it wouldn't be so clear cut that Scotland is the being


of the SNP. If you are making a crude calculation of when to go for


another independence results, this result would make you think twice.


John, I will have to go to the West Midlands. The total number of valid


second preference votes cast for each of the remaining candidates is


as follows... Andy Street, the Conservative Party candidate, 7690.


Simon Sean Llewelyn, Labour and co-operative party, 10300 and 82.


Total number of valid second preference votes is 31,000 488. The


total number of rejected ballot papers is 2988. Thank you.


Thank you, Kate. As returning officer for the West Midlands, the


election for the mayor on the 4th of May 20 17th, I hereby certify that


the total number of valid second preference votes cast for each of


the remaining candidates is as follows... Andy Street, the


Conservative Party candidate, 22,000 348. Simon Sean Llewelyn, Labour and


cooperative party, 24,603. The total number of ballot papers rejected at


the second count is as follows, 7515. The total number of valid


first and second preference votes for each of the remaining candidates


is as follows. Andy Street, the Conservative Party candidate, first


preferences, 216,000 280. Second preferences, 22,000 348. Total,


238,000 628. Simon Sean Llewelyn, Labour and cooperative party. First


preferences, 210,000 259. Second preferences, 24,000 603. Total,


234,000 862. Andy Street, the Conservative Party candidate, is


duly elected as mayor for the West Midlands authority.


Andy Street is elected as Metro Mayor in the West Midlands for the


Conservatives. OK, thank you all. I think it is


customary to say if few words on occasions like this and they should


start with my thanks, of course. First of all that must be to Martin


and his team of returning officers across the West Midlands. It has all


been conducted brilliantly today said thank you very much, Martin and


all of your team, including all the counters. Thank you. Secondly, I do


want to say an enormous thank you to all of my fellow candidates. The


Beverly, James, Pete, Graham and above all else to Sean. Because I


honestly think we have conducted this in a very cordial way in the


best tradition of British politics. Sean, thank you. I should also say


thank you to Council bobsleigh has combined the West Midlands combined


authority of the best point, so thank you for all you have done to


get to this point. I should thank my own team, I am only going to mention


Dolly my election agent, but you all the what you have done in that team


and we have come an enormous distance. Thank you very much


indeed. Now, talking... Talking of journeys. In September when we


started, I talked about what I wanted to achieve in the campaign. I


said I wanted it to reach every single community across the West


Midlands. I said I wanted it to be moderate, tolerant and inclusive and


I said I wanted to present practical solutions to difficult issues. And


that is exactly what we have done. Judging by the results, we have


reached every area across the West Midlands and we have won support in


every single community. What we have seen here today is what I would call


the rebirth of the new urban conservative agenda. It is


defined... Andy Street giving his victory speech in the West Midlands.


Just to recap, it is quite a narrow victory, Andy Street, the former


boss of John Lewis, Conservative candidate who has been victorious in


the West Midlands in probably the most powerful of these positions


that have been created, the six Metro Mayor is we have been talking


about today, which have been elected. We have had Greater


Manchester and we have spoken to Andy Burnham. But there we have Andy


Street, who has defeated John Simon in a very tough race. John McDonnell


is with me. Thoughts on what is symbolically, as well, if I may say


so, symbolically, a tough result for Labour? It is, I am so sorry for


Sean Simon. It was always going to be close and to be that close. They


have worked really hard. It is disappointing, but we knew it was


going to be tied. I thought maybe he would be able to get it. It looks


like a game in the second preference, the Ukip votes have


collapsed into the Tories. I think this is what has happened again.


29,000 new kit boats in the first round and 20,000 additional votes


for Andy Street. But there are 50,000 lost centre-left votes. If


you go to the Liberal Democrats and the Greens. I suspect a lot of them


voted for each other. It meant they weren't counted at all the second


time round. While you had come if you like on the first count, 52-48


lead the party is on the left and the parties on the right. Because of


those wasted second votes, you have a narrow victory for the candidates


on the right over the candidates on the left. In Ireland, people get


used to a proportional representation system. I am


tremendously disappointed. It has been said several times about Andy


Street's campaign, but he has been accused several times of spending


just about ?1 million on the very early stages of the campaign and


that undoubtedly, say his opponents, helped him unfairly. Is it a factor


or not? Can I congratulate Andy Street, I know his campaign was one


very hard and I like him as an individual, he is a decent person


and he will do his best for his May are tea. The rules are the rules, he


can spend what he did come in hasn't broken any rules. He has been quite


open about it. He said he thinks the campaign is worth spending the money


on because he wants to be elected and wants to do the right thing for


his area. The reality is, when you have these head to head elections,


you will get a different pattern of how that goes about. If someone


wants to change the rules, that is a different matter and if they want to


look at the rules again, then fine. But Andy Street won a fair fight and


it was a very close fight. Congratulations to Simon for going


all the way. I am a great believer in mayoral elections because they


would bring local focus and the man. But it does remind us we have lost


some around the country. The Labour Party has been solid in places like


Manchester, Liverpool and others. It shows my colleagues we cannot be


complacent. You have to fight harder the election and make sure we get


Theresa May elected. It is all beginning now. We have had the


Manchester and Midlands results in the last hour or so. Real contrast


compared with the general election votes two years ago. In West


Midlands, it looked like a 5% swing from Labour to the Conservatives. In


Manchester, there was something like a 9% swing from the Conservatives to


the Labour Party. There is a real difference. I won't go into the


reason, but the Liverpool result from two years ago looks more like


the Midlands the Manchester. Just pause for a second, I want to go to


West Sussex and we spoke to Peter Henley, our correspondence. We were


talking about West Sussex earlier which is a conservative hold. I can


show viewers the figures now because they are worth underlining. 56


seats. A big conservative wing. Labour, losing ten. And 11 games for


the Tories in West Sussex. Peter, what is the kind of take, what is


your take on what has happened? All of those Ukip seats went to the


Conservatives. This is a big leave area. Nigel Farage is the MEP for


the south-east of England and I wonder if things have changed.


Theresa May has taken over as the person who is doing the job on


Brexit. So those Ukip voters have switched to the Conservatives. By


contrast that with Oxfordshire. Another conservative county,


struggling with cuts in school funding and in a dull social care or


even contrast it with Surrey he was asking for a 15% increase in its


council tax at one stage. The Conservatives just level pegging in


Oxford. The Liberal Democrats up from 16% share of the vote to 25%


and in Oxfordshire, Labour holding steady on 21% of the vote. The


difference between the leave and remain areas and what people are


doing is interesting. Thank you for the update. We are going to go and


have a weather update in a minute, but just a quick comment, because he


spoke about Oxfordshire and traditionally there is a strong Lib


Dem element, your thoughts on what has happened there. It repeats what


I was saying earlier, we have seen substantial swings to us both in


Oxford West and Abingdon but in Witney where we have the by-election


before Christmas. I am not surprised. Whilst West Sussex, the


Ukip seats might have gone to the Conservatives, that is not true in


Eastleigh where we gained three seats from Ukip. We will pick up


again in a moment. We will get a quick update on the weather.


It has been a lovely day across large parts of the UK. This is a


picture from the Highlands. Blue sky and snow on the peaks, it has been


melting all week. Not sunny everywhere. We have this cloud in


Essex. Look at the satellite sequence and you can see sunshine is


widespread and there is the breeze dragging the cloud into the


southernmost counties but even there, there is breaks in the cloud


and it is dry virtually everywhere. In the evening there will be the


burial cloud across southern counties come increasing and


spreading north. Might generate the odd spot of rain in the Midlands


coming to Wales as well. More persistent rain clipping into


Cornwall. Not as chilly as it was last night. But a touch of frost


developing in the north of Scotland. Scotland tomorrow will be lovely


with plenty of sunshine. Through the evening we have wet weather drifting


a little bit further up into the south-western corner of the UK. Into


tomorrow and it will be a lovely day, in the north of the UK, with


plenty of sunshine and on the western side of Scotland. Northern


Ireland will do well in the morning but more cloud in the afternoon.


Generally cloudy across Northern Ingham, Wales and East Anglia but


dry virtually everywhere. Into the afternoon, western Scotland doing


well. Always more low cloud on the north coast which will keep the


temperature is 11 or 12 degrees. Quite warm in the sunshine in the


West. Northern Ireland seen 14, 15, 16 degrees. Cool on the North Sea


coast. But had further inland, temperatures a bit higher, 15, 16


degrees for Cardiff and Bournemouth. But the wet weather down towards the


south-west. That will move away Saturday evening. Wetter weather for


the south-west and for the Channel Islands as well. Heading into


Sunday, we have this breeze coming from the North from the North Sea


coastal areas. Great with light rain and drizzle, but had further west


and the wind is lighter, brighter skies and sunshine. Maybe a few


showers in the far south-west but doing well in terms of temperatures.


Middle to upper teens in the south-west but cooler along the


North Sea coast. Looking ahead to next week and for the most part it


will stay dry for the early part. The might start seeing things on


settled later on next week. Good afternoon, it's 5pm, welcome to


our special live coverage of the local elections in England, Wales


and Scotland. The final hour of coverage on the BBC News channel


today, thousands of councillors elected overnight and today, they


are the ones responsible for delivering local services but of


course other things are happening as well. There is a general election


campaign happening and that is part of the story we are telling today.


We will have the last results to be declared hopefully in the next hour


or so and we will get reaction from the political parties as to what has


gone on. Within the past few minutes and the street has been elected as


the first ever Metro Mayor of the West of England. Sorry, that's the


West Midlands. And Sean Simon losing in a tight contest. The


Conservatives have gained around 550 councillors, they took Derbyshire


from Labour this afternoon, big result for them. Pretty difficult


time for Labour as John McDonnell has been telling us, losing overall


control of Glasgow City Council for the first time in decades, losing


over 100 councillors in England and in Wales and Scotland if you add


them together they have lost over 300. But Andy Burnham has been


elected Metro Mayor for Manchester. He took 63% of the vote. Ukip have


had a terrible time losing virtually every seat they were defending, down


by almost 150 councillors and the party has been wiped out on councils


such as Lincolnshire, Hampshire and Essex. The vote share is down


dramatically, most of that going to the Conservatives. Here in the


studio we will get some reaction in the next hour or so from John


McDonnell of Labour and Iain Duncan Smith, thank you for giving us


company and Peter Kellner is here to give us analysis and we'll be joined


by Professor John Curtis who will give us his latest take on the days


events. All that, but let's look at the scorecard, the scoreboard at the


moment. This is where we are, in terms of council seats, these are


the numbers of councillors, if you are just joining us this is where we


are virtually at the end of this day. 550 gained for the


Conservatives, 385 losses for Labour, independence losing 12, the


Lib Dems as we speak having lost 36, the SNP having lost seven and Plaid


Cymru having gained 33. The greens are on 40 as we speak, they have put


on six overnight and today. And Ukip as I was saying, look at that


figure, a losses from their high point in 2013, just one single seat


I think in Lancashire. Lots of chat to come and we'll be getting as much


reaction as we can trying to draw the schemes together for you in the


next hour or so so we can get a good take on what these elections mean


and maybe rather cautiously looking ahead five weeks as well to the


general election. All that to come but let's catch up with the day 's


news, the election news and all the rest of the news with Jane.


The Prime Minister says they are taking nothing for granted as too


much is at stake following their local election success.


The Conservatives are enjoying their best results


for more than a decade in the local elections.


They are the only party to make significant gains,


The Tories have taken 11 councils including some which had


previously been staunchly Labour - like Derbyshire.


Labour have performed poorly - losing more than 300 council seats.


The Liberal Democrats have lost 35 seats.


In the election of Metro Mayors, Andy Street has taken


the West Midlands for the Tories, and Andy Burnham won


Our political correspondent Eleanor Garnier has the full story


It's the Conservatives with the biggest cheers.


They've gained overall control in more than ten councils,


including Derbyshire, Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire.


The Conservative Party candidate is duly elected as mayor for


And a huge win in one of Labour's former heartlands saw


the Conservative candidate become elected mayor.


Theresa May struck a cautious note I head of the general election. I'm


not taking anything for granted, I will be going out for the remaining


weeks of this general election campaign to earn the support of the


British people. But also as I have said, only a Conservative vote at


the general election will strengthen my hand to get the best Brexit deal


for people across the whole of the United Kingdom. The Tories are


celebrating and Essex to wear at this time around voters turned their


back on Ukip. In Lincolnshire were Ukip leader Paul Nuttall will fight


for Westminster seat next month the party was wiped out. And with such


big losses the future of Ukip is in question. I have been Ukip for four


years and the number of times I have heard we are finished I have lost


count, if I had a pound for every one I would be quite a rich woman.


It's not over until it's over and despite these pretty poor election


results so far it's not over. I declare Andy Burn duly elected as


the mayor of the greater Manchester combined authority. -- Andy Burnham.


Andy Burnham is now the new mayor of greater Manchester and success for


the party in Liverpool as well where Steve Rotherham was elected mayor of


the city region. Elsewhere it's been a torrid time for Labour losing more


than 320 seats so far. In Glasgow where Labour has been in power for


more than 30 years it's now lost overall control. These are the


counties which are Tory strongholds. It was going to be a tough night for


us anyway and we are in the middle of a general election campaign so


mixed motives, people are voting on local issues not necessarily


national ones. But what's coming across is that where people were


predicting we would get wiped out in places like Wales we have done very


well. The SNP has replaced Labour is the biggest party in Glasgow but


fell short of a majority. The SNP vote has held up, our share of the


seats have held up and we will be the largest party in more councils,


perhaps a majority of councils but that's not absolutely clear yet. But


there is no way anyone can spin this result as anything other than a


clear and emphatic win for the SNP. You guys deserve the applause. No


significant breakthrough for the Lib Dems but making the most of their


results. It's been a good day for the green party which has picked up


some new councillors. For some the results today have been too close to


tall, the Tories denied an overall majority in Northumberland after the


Lib Dem candidate literally drew the longest straw. For now it's back to


the counting, there is still plenty of that to be done.


The final day of campaigning is continuing in the French


The Far-right candidate Marine Le Pen was heckled


during her visit to Reims cathedral, in northern France.


The centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron - who has


a substantial lead in opinion polls - has visited the southern


A man has been critically injured in a helicopter


Emergency Services said the helicopter landed


on its side when it came down at Wycombe Air Park this morning.


That's a summary of the news - now back to Local Elections


Welcome back to the election Centre on the BBC News Channel, in the next


45 minutes or so we will take you through the main themes as we see


them and the results which have come in, one or two still to come but


it's worth taking stock and looking at different parts of the UK, talked


about Scotland and we will come back to that but we've not talked about


Wales for a while because that was an interesting challenge for several


parties not least Labour and with lots of talk last week of a big


Conservative surge led me show you the Welsh figures as they stand.


This is the scorecard, Labour having lost a councillors in Wales. John


McDonnell might say that is not as bad as some have forecast.


Ukip down by two with no seat at the moment on the board. Looking at


Monmouthshire, this was a result which came in earlier today, it was


a Conservative gain from a hung council back in 2012, 25 Tory seats.


Monmouthshire a strong conservative tradition has been sending Labour


MPs to Parliament in the past but mainly conservative. You will see


lots of independent representation in quite a few of the Welsh


councils. Bridgend, the backyard of Carwyn Jones, the Welsh First


Minister for Labour. Look at this, 11 for the Conservatives, you might


think they are in third place but if you look at what happened last time


that the story, ten games for the Conservatives and 13 losses for


Labour and Bridgend traditionally a very strong web area. -- very strong


Labour area. Cardiff, the capital city, this has been quite a big


fight in terms of control of the Council and Labour had some fears


they would lose overall control but they have not, they have held on. We


need to look at the change to get the real story probably, some losses


for Labour, sex, but they still hold on. The Tories surging by 13 seats


which puts them in a different place. The Lib Dems will be


disappointed losing five seats in Cardiff where in Cardiff Central we


have had strong representation in the past, again for Plaid Cymru, I


think that will disappoint them. And the independence losing three. I


don't want to take too much time on the figures because we are at city


hall, I've taken us to lots of the results, why don't you tell us where


you see the parties this evening and what they can be pleased about and


what they should be disappointed about. No doubt I think Labour in


Wales will be disappointed. But let's not forget in the last


election they made 200 games so with all the expectation they were going


to implode in Wales they have not done as badly as expected. But it


was a mixed evening in some ways overnight, it began terribly badly


with losing the leader in Merthyr Tydfil, losing the majority in


Bridgend, where Carwyn Jones has his assembly seat, but it picked up I


think when the news came with Cardiff, holding onto that, it was a


significant victory because they held onto Newport, they've just held


on to Swansea, so the three big cities in South East Wales being


held was a huge boost. What was looking like a poor evening turned


out to be not quite as bad. You mentioned Plaid Cymru, they have


taken, they have held on, one of the results coming in since we last


spoke was Carmarthenshire, they have just missed out on gaining a


majority there. They have increased their numbers in Gwynedd but no one


has overall control. The other two which are interesting since we last


spoke is the Vale of Glamorgan, even though there is no overall control


the Conservatives have made significant gains, just one shy of a


majority so possibly they will look to rule that council with a


minority. No doubt the Tories will be pleased with how they have done


in Wales, taking a lot of seats from the Labour Party, Labour will be


disappointed. I think Plaid Cymru will be disappointed in not gaining


another council or two but they have made gains so that's a positive for


them while the Lib Dems have imploded in Wales and Ukip have not


moved at all. A mixed picture but I think the Labour Party as I say,


when the Cardiff result came in the tide changed, it was more positive


after what was looking like a difficult evening. But where does


that success in Cardiff live? Does it lie with the Labour Party in


Wales or centrally because talking to people on their doorstep they


said the influence of Jeremy Corbyn had impacted their vote but it does


not seem to have implicated that much in the local election vote.


Stephen Kinnock talking year earlier and he was healing the leadership of


Carwyn Jones and John McDonnell who you have in the studio was seeing


the success in Cardiff was down to Jeremy Corbyn's recent visit. But


where he was Labour lost their four seats so who should get the plaudits


for keeping hold of Cardiff? I am not sure. I think it's a big victory


and it will be a significant one to making sure today has not been as


bad as people expected. Carwyn Jones has had his say, saying it's a mixed


night for Labour in Wales and he is focusing on regrouping and


campaigning for the general election next month. Thank you. I want to go


to Birmingham because I think I'm joined by Sean Simon the Labour


candidate who lost two and a street in the Metro Mayor, commiserations


on what has happened, I wonder what your thoughts are on such a narrow


defeat? It's very disappointing, obviously. I keep being asked, you


lost in your heartlands, we won in Birmingham, Coventry, Wolverhampton,


Soundwell, where we really lost was the Conservative heartland of


Solihull which the Conservatives having spent millions of pounds had


a turnout of bird higher bull tweet third higher than the regional


balance and that tipped the balance. But I will not pretend that he did


not hear coming back from the doorsteps of the areas we did win in


our heart lines a message from Labour voters that their confidence


is waning in our strength as a party in the traditional Labour values.


Are you still with us? I am the still with you. Making a point about


what voters are telling you about having confidence in the party, I am


transcending this properly in that you're talking about leadership


here? I am talking about values actually. The issues which came back


on the doorstep were about values about our regional campaign


overshadowed by national political issues all the time. We should have


been talking about transport and housing and taking back control of


our region from London which has let us down but we ended up talking


about defence and immigration and Brexit and on those issues Labour


voters in Labour areas were saying we do not feel confident that you


are strong enough in our traditional Labour values, which we always have


been here and that's the lesson we need to learn as a party. Are you


saying that Labour as it currently stands has lost contact with its


voters? I am saying there is a portion of our traditional Labour


votes right across the West Midlands which whilst it has remained


faithful to the Labour Party has nevertheless been less so and the


less so consists of people consistently saying we are not quite


confident at the moment that you are strong enough in our core Labour


values that matter to us. That's the lesson we need to learn as a party,


and quickly. To what extent have people been bringing up the name of


Jeremy Corbyn in the reasoning or has that not been part of your


experience? Personalising and blaming individuals is not something


that I am going to get into. The conversations I have been having on


the doorstep on about values more than anything, a sense that our


voters, some of our voters, don't have confidence any more or at the


moment that we share the court Labour values as we have done with


the kind of strength they want to see from us. If that is the case who


is responsible for that? The Labour Party is to blame. We are


responsible to our electorate and our people. It's our responsibility


as a party to represent the real values of the people we seek to


serve. What has happened in this election, as I said earlier, let's


not forget, what has also happened is the Tories have spent millions of


pounds which in our campaign we simply have not had access to. We


have not had access to a fraction of the millions the Tories have spent


and they have spent that money in Conservative heartland areas on


raising the turnout by a third more than the regional average and it's


that actually that has swung this election in their favour. But at the


same time it is true our people in the areas we did win, even the areas


we did win like Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Coventry, sand well,


people have been saying consistently on the doorstep we are not confident


in Labour values any more. That's a pretty clear message, it's


an incredibly serious thing to say, that the party is not in a position


at the moment where it can connect, convincingly, with lots of the


people he was trying to get to vote for him. That does not seem to be


reflected elsewhere, Manchester, 63% majority, 59% in Liverpool, and in


Birmingham I think we had a 20 point lead. So I will listen to Andy and I


think we have to get that more effectively across, our values. This


election seems to have been won on the turnout in Solihull were a lot


of money was spent and I think we need to start looking at election


expenditure in some way so it becomes a more equal and even


battle. I will ask about that, we picked it up earlier as a theme, it


is a serious thing to say, he is a former MP, MEP, an experienced


campaigner, several years going into this campaign and the whole process


of getting an elected mayor, he has clearly talked to an incredibly


broad range of people, in the Labour Party family and outside it. If he


is saying one of the reasons he's lost this important context is that


the party is not actually upholding the kind of values that gets people


on board that is a very serious thing. Of course it is and we will


have that conversation. Bridge are not convinced? In other areas that


is not the report we are getting back. We lost by under 5000 votes


but if you look at the vote in Bristol getting majorities in


parliamentary constituencies. We will listen to all the lessons and


in the next five weeks get our message across and if in that area


there are issues picked up by the party in this issue about Labour


values we will listen hard to make sure we get the message in the


campaign on the streets. Earlier Clive Lewis treated seeing given


today's results I hope someone reappraise is the strategy of


triangulating our own Brexit position and I think that's a


serious problem for Labour. I think it's one of the reasons we've gained


substantial Labour vote in the areas we are strong and remain areas as


well. In the first quarter of this year the Lib Dems raised more money


than Labour and I think web are understanding the issues smaller


parties face when one party can go out and raise millions at the drop


of a hat. I think that is true. It's come up again, this spending issue,


you actually said earlier if the rules need to be revisited they


should be revisited, what are your thoughts now on the whole concept of


spending a huge amount of money before the rules start in the actual


campaign? No rules were broken but it is to do with spending a lot of


money. A little bit of sour grapes here, the rules are the same for


everyone, Andy Street fought a tough campaign, raising the money himself.


The rules are the rules. It's a lot of money to spend the of reaction.


People wanted him to get collected so they've given him the support.


The Conservatives have consistently refused to look at changing these


fund-raising arrangements and we have been fighting for a long time.


I understand all this but let's be honest it's a little bit of sour


grapes, he won the election, people did not have devoted for him, he had


to persuade them. This showing in Birmingham tells me what Theresa May


said was correct, you cannot take anything for granted, it's a fight


between us and the Labour Party. I am not sure money makes as much


difference as people say, the Liberal Democrats years and decades


gone past you were the people who gained five, six, seven percentage


points in a campaign, and you were spending far less. Do you remember


the referendum party 20 years ago, ?20 million and they lost almost all


of their deposits. I think money places much smaller part than people


think. We have talked to Sion Simon in the West Midlands and talked


about Wales, let's get a recap on the position in Scotland coming up


to 5:30pm, 5:25pm. The Scottish scorecard is as follows.


A quick look at Glasgow because that's the result we were boxing on


earlier. The loss of Labour's control of Glasgow however this is


now no overall control. I think it's fair to say quite a few in the SNP


had hoped they would be in a position to say they were in control


but they are not. Look at the difference between today and 2012,


eight up to the SNP, Labour down by 16, the Tories up by seven, greens


up by three. This is also a hung council, nine to the SNP. What has


happened? Another conservative addition in terms of the table, up


by five. It's a hung council. With all that in mind I want to go to


Anita McVeigh who we have not spoken to in a while and she will bring us


date with Glasgow. Thank you, just picking up on that point, not a


single majority Council in Scotland which is a fascinating picture if


you look back at the last local elections are in a quarter of the


councils the party that was the largest party did not go on to form


the administration saw a lot of trading to be done in the days ahead


to form lots of coalitions. Any number of interesting stories coming


out of the count in Glasgow, let's get an overview of that with our


Scotland correspondent, what are your thoughts? The SNP, the largest


party in Glasgow but falling short of a majority by four seats. We


heard at the start of the day that in 2012 it was a target and they


were disappointed not to have achieved that. Since then Glasgow


was a yes city in the referendum, the SNP winning all the seats at the


Holyrood and Westminster elections but if there is disappointment here


it not been expressed publicly. Labour not unexpectedly losing


control of the council but still hugely symbolic and the


Conservatives winning seats in places you would not have expected


them to such as Shettleston here in Glasgow which feeds into the


national picture of the Conservatives gaining seats


primarily at the expense of Labour. Thank you. Let's assess the


developments here again today with Duncan Hamilton, former SNP MSP,


Adam Tomkins, the Conservative MSP and Tom Harris the former Labour MP,


thank you for waiting to talk to us here on BBC News. Thank you and


first of all, Duncan, four vote short of the overall majority,


Nicola Sturgeon seeing an emphatic victory, saying nobody can spin it


otherwise, it must be a disappointment not to get that


overall majority here in Glasgow? Let's start with about a


on any view it's a victory for the SNP despite what anyone wants to say


and do not a minute underplay the symbolic importance as you have


heard about what has happened, 37 years since Labour was not in


control here. To lose that in a city where a Glasgow has already lost all


of the constituencies both at Westminster and in Holyrood really


means there is a huge, clearly a huge problem for Labour and the


story of the election in Scotland is of the loss of Labour votes straight


to the Tories which is haemorrhaging votes. Let me pick up on that with


Adam, the Conservatives had one seat on Glasgow council and they have now


got eight, has that largely been as Duncan was saying Conservative


gaining at the expense of Labour? I think so, at 10% swing in the


Holyrood elections and that momentum we got last year has been maintained


in these local government elections, moving from one councillor to eight


and they have been elected across all parts of the city. Working-class


neighbourhoods, middle-class neighbourhoods. There is now no go


area and Glasgow for the Scottish Conservatives. No street in Scotland


where there is not a conservative voter. Where does Labour ago now in


Glasgow and supplementary to that what do you think it means for


voters hear the fact there is no overall majority? No overall


majority will be dealt with quickly, the green party are essentially


Scottish Nationalists. Without hesitation they will go into


coalition with the SNP just as they support the minority government at


Holyrood. I think before today it's fair to say some Labour friends were


quite despondent, they thought they would be wiped off the map in


Glasgow given as Duncan said the SNP already control every single one of


the constituencies at Westminster and Holyrood level. For them to have


retreated to a fairly firm base is a little bit of a silver lining but of


course it's a dark cloud, this is Glasgow and Labour has lost Glasgow


for the first time since 1980 when we took it control of an SNP


Conservative coalition. Thank you very much gentlemen, definitely a


sense of a changing of the guard here at Glasgow City Council, a hive


of activity behind me, almost everyone has gone, they are packing


up shop and in the days ahead a lot of meetings going on to try to form


a coalition, likely to be the SNP and the greens, back to you.


Thank you to you and your guests for that take on the position this


evening in Scotland. For the next half hour or so we will be looking


at some of the big mayoral contests we've not discussed, and looking at


those figures you can see on the screen, projected national share and


we will be explaining what we mean by that and what that tells us and


what it might tell us about what could happen in five weeks' time, we


will explain why we need to be cautious around those percentages as


well but it's an interesting story to tell. What we are going to do now


at 5:33pm is get the latest on the day 's news.


The Conservatives are enjoying their best results


for more than a decade in the local elections.


It was a difficult night for Labour and Ukip has seen export collapse.


The Conservatives have taken 11 councils. The Prime Minister has


responded to the Conservatives success saying she is taking nothing


for granted because there's too much at stake. Since I became Prime


Minister I been determined to make sure this is a government that works


for the whole country and it's encouraging we have won support


across the whole of the United Kingdom but I will not take anything


for granted and neither will the team I lead because there's too much


at stake. This is not about to wins and loses in the local elections


it's about continuing to fight for the best Brexit deal for families


across the United Kingdom, to lock in the economic progress we've made


and get on with the job of making a success of the years ahead. Labour


has admitted having a tough night after losing ground to the


Conservatives in England and struggling in some of its heartlands


in Wales. In Scotland the party lost control of Glasgow City Council, an


authority they have held since 1980. They have lost seven councils


overall and more than 380 council seats but the party held on to


Cardiff, Jeremy Corbyn has insisted there are some positive signs for


Labour. We have got councillors elected all over the country.


Everyone predicted we would lose in Cardiff and we won, everyone said


the same in Swansea and we increased the majority, we came within 5000


votes of winning the West of England which everyone said was impossible.


We've had disappointing results in other parts of the country, yes we


have to go out there in the next four weeks and get the message out


of the kind of country we could be. And the results have also been


disappointing for Ukip, so far the party winning just one of the seats


it contested losing a previously held council seats. Ukip says it


still has sitting councillors in the country although these are positions


which were not up for election yesterday. And the results have been


mixed for the Lib Dems, the party is down by 38 council seats, the Lib


Dems also failed to retake Somerset Council from the Conservatives but


Tim Farron said the results are good news. Increasingly vote share by 7%,


the best vote share in any election nationally, double the increase the


Tories have experienced in terms of vote share around the country with


the Labour Party utterly imploding and devastated like no other party


in recent memory. But there is another lesson to learn, apart from


the Lib Dems revival and success arrow in the country we still see


Britain headed for a Conservative landslide. The Scottish National


Party still has the largest number of councillors in Scotland however


they lost control of one council and have so far lost 14 council seats,


the leader of the SNP Nicola Sturgeon said her party had still


enjoyed an emphatic victory. The SNP vote has held up, our share of the


seats has held up and we will be the largest party in more councils,


perhaps a majority but that's not absolutely clear so there is no way


that anybody can spin this result as anything other than a clear and


emphatic win for the SNP and it fits is in pole position to protect local


services the length and breadth of the country and gives us a great


springboard for the general election. Elections have also been


taking place for Metro Mayers in various cities, in the last hour the


former boss of John Lewis Andy Street has taken the West led Minz


for the Tories and Labour's Andy Burnham was elected mayor of


Manchester winning with more than 63%. Another victory for Labour in


Merseyside where the former Labour MP Steve Rotherham was elected.


Plaid Cymru and the green party have also made gains, the greens up three


seats so far lost Plaid Cymru has 33 more councillors. We will take a


look at some of the other main stories today and France goes to the


polls on Sunday to pick a new president, the two candidates, the


centrist Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen are out on the campaign trail


for the last time today, correspondent Christian Frazier


following the campaign in Paris, not many hours of campaigning left, what


is your reading? We are into the last few hours of what has been a


bitterly fought campaign, I am sure it's not done much to hear much of


the divisions but Emmanuel Macron looks as if he's going to become the


next it's become a little bit hostile for Marine Le Pen, she was


egged on one of her tours yesterday, yesterday she was at a cathedral,


beautiful cathedral where they used to grow in the old Kings of France


but they did not go too well, she had to go out at the back of the


cathedral to a waiting car at the back just to avoid some hostile


crowds at the front. Tomorrow will be a day of reflection for the


French, will have to consider everything they've heard and we will


have the vote on Sunday, a special programme on BBC News on Sunday


evening from 6:30pm and we'll bring you a result when we get it. The one


thing we'll have to watch the abstention rate, in UK terms the


participation sounds quite a lot but it will be the lowest


turnout if there is a big abstention we might have a big shock on our


hands, I would not put my house on actual Macron, but we have seen what


happened with Brexit and Donald Trump. The Russian Defence Ministry


has announced an agreement to set up safe dawns will come into force at


midnight tonight local time, agreement was reached between Russia


and Iran which both backed the Syrian government. Turkey which


supports the rebels is also reported to have agreed to act as a guarantor


but some representatives of the rebels have also rejected the plan.


That's the latest from here in the newsroom back to the latest on the


local elections. Welcome back to the election studio,


still getting some results, talking earlier about the results in the


West Midlands, these Metro Mirror posts which have been created,


another one to give you, Cambridge and Peterborough, this result, I win


for the Conservatives, these are the first preference votes we have on


screen because it's another system of voting where people have


preferences and if the person doesn't cross the threshold there is


a second-round and we have James Palmer on 76,000. A turnout of 33%,


if we look at the percentage of the votes we then see the Tories... What


happened then, because it went to a second round where all the others


were eliminated, they have their preferences shared and this is what


happened, James Palmer for the Conservatives on 88,000 and the Lib


Dems in second place a majority of 21,000 in Cambridge and


Peterborough, the latest in our results and I win for the


Conservatives on that second preference round, we have a quote


from the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, this is the key line, of


course I'm disappointed he says, we have to get our supporters out to


vote in June, talking about the general election on the eighth, we


have to get our message across and I'm determined to do that and maybe


that can be seen in the context of what Sion Simon was telling us, that


he had difficulty getting the Labour message across in terms of the


values people perceive the party to have although he was not


personalising it to that extent, with all of that in mind, let's go


to college green. We are going to examine what these results mean,


we're going to talk to representatives from both wings of


the Labour Party, I have the person who ran the Jeremy Corbyn campaign


and a man from the progress group, are these results because of Jeremy


Corbyn's leadership, these disappointing results as he's


described them? It's a difficult day for Labour. We've not done as badly


as people have said but that result in the West Midlands, I think Sion


Simon will be disappointed with that and rightly so. Is it because of the


leadership of Jeremy Corbyn? Again and again his leadership coming up


on the doorstep. The collapse of the Labour voter ship in two Ukip which


is now going to the Tories and I think that's a double issue which


has been exasperated massively by the referendum and Brexit. I was on


the doorstep in Nottinghamshire, ten miles in nine hours in ten different


council wards, time and again one name always mentioned was the Labour


leader and it's been a damning verdict and I say this with the


heaviest of hearts because Labour councillors are being punished


around the country, if this result carries on Labour MPs will get,


punished and Teresa May is heading towards a landslide and that's


deeply regrettable, its lacklustre so far, little of the big concerns


of people being talked about, it's time to get out of first gear. On


the basis of these results, if they were projected onto a general


election no way Jeremy Corbyn could ever be Prime Minister.


Over party member needs to get out there and so that this is a very


clear choice. If you don't want a hard Tory Brexit in which jobs will


be put at risk, the economy is not going to be bought its knees,


because companies are already fleeing this country we will be in a


very tough situation. Livelihoods are at risk, the NHS is under


threat, education is getting hammered and we have to say, what do


you want? Do want Brexit that can deliver for ordinary people, put


money in your back pocket. But if Labour does badly in the general


election as in his council elections, will Jeremy Corbyn stand


down? Should he stand down, in your opinion, as a man he ran his


leadership -- leadership campaign? Everyone in labour will be


reflecting on their position and how they take ourselves forward. We have


got four weeks. We have closed some of the opinion poll gaps in the


national polls. These are clearly difficult results. In London, in


Andy Burnham's area of Greater Manchester and on Merseyside, we


have 10 million people looking to labour for leadership and we need to


get out there and fight to get the rest of the country to look to us


for the bishop. In a word, she Jeremy Corbyn stand down if these


are carried on into the general election? The D fighting the


marginal seats. Justin Pipe Labour safe once. We are in a defensive


strategy and to stop a hard Brexit the need to return as many Labour


MPs as possible. Richard Angell and Sam Parry, representing both wings


of the Labour Party, many thanks. Back to the studio. What did you


make of that, John? Richard Angell, to be frank, has been one of


Jeremy's most betrayal that critics from the minute that Jeremy got on


the ballot paper so I'm not surprised. Are you disappointed? The


message is clear. We are Tyson soon be disappointed. Of course we are.


We have five weeks to go. We must get that message out there. We have


seen a mixed bag of results. Some areas like Manchester and Liverpool


and even in the West of England we have had some good results. Not


wiped out in Wales the way that people predicted. Our share of the


vote has been better than in the opinion polls. It is all to fight


for in the next five weeks. What we're going do now is, we're going


to bring in John Curtice who has joined us once again. Welcome. Wigan


to talk about these figures that we have on the screen, the projected


national share. And they are, as they stand on 138% for the Tories,


27 for Labour, 18% for the Lib Dems, 5% Ukip and 12% to the others. When


people look at these figures, John, just again to underline, lots of


people have joined us since we last spoke about this. Can we just


underline what these figures are, and what they signify? These figures


are a summary measure of the way in which the parties performed in the


English County Council elections and, to do that we have taken the


results and projected them into what they would be from national vote of


the country voted along the votes of the English county elections. We can


concern... Not only the four years ago with the local elections that


took place on the same day as the last general election.


Ukip are doing badly but you look at the evidence that's the case. One


suspects after June 8th Ukip will think about what is their future as


a party and what are they going to be able to say that persuades voters


to stick with them. The second key point, it's perfectly clear that the


Conservatives are a long way ahead in these local elections, though,


however, not necessarily as far ahead as they would want to be on


June 8, because the 11-point lead that we think they have in these


local elections is probably not sufficient to deliver the land slide


of the kind that Theresa May is evidently looking for. Conversely,


however, yes, John McDonnell is right, Andy Burnham takes the prize


for producing the best Labour result of the day. The truth is the odd


occasion when Labour did better against expectations, are relatively


rare and going backwards as compared with a poor performance four years


ago is not the best way to start a general election campaign. The


Liberal Democrats made progress. They're still not doing as well as


they did in local elections before going into coalition with the


Conservatives. At least they are in somewhat better position, as the


opinion polls suggested they were. Crucial thing to remember, however,


all of this is a summary of how well the parties have done in the local


elections, we're not saying this is how the parties would have performed


if there had been a general election yesterday. We're not saying that


this is what's going to happen on June 8. It gives an indication of


how, in these local contests, the parties have stood and by comparing


these local contests with other recent contests we give some idea of


who is up and who is down. Peter, some thoughts on this? John, you're


absolutely right that these local elections should be regarded with


caution. Comparing like with like, local elections in years gone by,


this 11% projected Conservative lead is exactly the same as they got in


1982 in the middle of the Falklands War. If one looks at past patterns


of local elections and national elections, the Conservatives almost


always do noticeably better in general elections than in the local


elections that build up to them. Labour never does better or in the


past has never done better in national elections than in local


elections. It may all be different this time. Can I say one other


thing, local votes, local seats. In votes the big story is Ukip crashing


down, Tories up. Not much change Labour, down a little compared with


2013. Look at seats, Ukip have disappeared. Labour has done very


badly in seats. Here's the problem for Labour going into the general


election is if Labour stands still in votes, there'll be a lot of seats


probably where the Ukip vote will go to the Conservatives and Labour will


lose seats not because necessarily Labour is massively unpopular but


because the Tory vote will rise above the Labour vote by virtue of


Ukip's collapse. That is the substantive challenge that Labour


has. John, what do you make of that? Peter's absolutely right. You can


see this in what happened to the Liberal Democrats in these


elections. The Liberal Democrat vote is up as compared with 2013, but the


number of seats they've got is actually down slightly. Why? Because


the Liberal Democrats when they were facing a local Conservative


challenge, even if they managed to increase their vote locally,


discovered that the Conservatives did better and in some cases


overtook the incumbent Liberal Democrat. We should remember under


first-past-the-post system in the end it's not how well you do, but


how well you do relative to your opponents. The problem faced Labour


and the Liberal Democrats at the moment is that the Conservatives are


doing rather well, thank you very much, and therefore whatever


progress they might make is looking relatively small compared with the


iceberg that is seemingly coming down from the Conservative Party,


potentially threatening to put a hole both in the Labour and the


Liberal Democrat ships. Do you see that iceberg coming or not? No I


don't. These were County Council elections and mayoral elections. It


didn't include London, for example. I was watching the counts in say


Manchester and Liverpool, where the individual boroughs were responding


and we were getting sizeable majority. It was the same in the


west of England, in the Bristol seats, we were getting Labour jorts,


on the basis of the first preference votes, like first-past-the-post. You


don't think you can extrapolate in that sense. In terms of the share of


the vote, that overall share of the vote that we've seen from today's


performance, I think, is challengeable and manageable. We can


close that gap. It's going to take a lot of work on the ground getting


our mess anning across. Now we can get fair balance, with the greatest


respect, in terms of broadcast media, I think there's a real


opportunity to do that. I go back to it time and again, I'd like to see


Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn debate in the same was as has happened in


the French elections. Why don't we have that televised debate? In that


way people have the fair opportunity of putting their policies across and


display their leadership qualities. John's expression of hope or


confidence there about making something up in the next five weeks,


on the basis of past form, you're saying, is what - unlikely? I think


it would be a remarkable achievement if Labour manage to do it. One bit


of history that helps Labour a bit, the last time we had a snap election


governed by a single issue, is when Edward Heath went to the country in


'74, on the three day week, the miners strike. The Conservatives


were ahead in the poll. As the election went on, in the way that


John describes, on television, the issue changed in people's minds from


the coal miners' strike to jobs and the cost of living. Labour caught


up. Edward Heath was thrown out. Though that precedent is of help to


the Labour Party, all the others I can think of are more in the


Conservatives favour. The Conservatives are trying to present


this as a Brexit campaign. The other issues are intruding. In addition,


people are linking those other issues like jobs in particular to


the Brexit issue. That's why I think the debate is widening. I think what


Theresa May said earlier on is right. The reality is here, these


results tell us whilst we can be pleased with having done well in


these council elections, they are after all, council elections. The


point being made both by everyone who's talked about this, John Curtis


was saying it earlier, this is not enough to Chancellor change -- to


change the political position to give her a strong enough majority.


Her message is good, but we can't take that frob granted. The -- for


granted. This is a straight fight to make sure that the Labour Party


doesn't get elected. The key issues are that you are going to the polls,


the British people are going to the polls to decide the number one


premiere issue, which is to give the Government a strong mandate to get


the best deal out of the Brexit negotiations and the person that


needs to do that is the one that shows the greatest strength and


stability in the course of that. I knew it was coming. Listen, strength


and stability is the issue. Can't help yourself. It's like having


Daleks. I didn't interrupt you. I was just asked what is the single


issue, the single issue - I asked whether it would be a single issue.


The single issue is who governs you. As the Prime Minister wishes to


define it, but the Liberal Democrats, other parties, will wish


to define it otherwise. Part of the issue, the problem we face is


Theresa May saying as a very clear hard Brexit approach. She's going to


try and get a good deal, if not she'll walk away. The Liberal


Democrats say actually you need us as a strong Opposition. Labour


aren't strong on this particular issue. We want to fight for the NHS


because a year ago, we were being promised extra money by the Leavers,


?350 million a week for the NHS. The NHS is still in crisis. That is


going to be a key issue. They don't want a rerun of the referendum. We


have to respect the referendum result. What people don't want


increasingly is the type of Brexit that Theresa May is threatening.


Philip Hammond would threaten we would become a tax haven. Yoo you're


right, why on earth did support Theresa May and triggering Article


50. Because the referendum result had to be respected. People should


have the final say. What you have here is an arguing coalition which


ends up chaotic politics in Government. I have to say, I didn't


get this in earlier on. I haven't spoken to Linton. I'm not even in


Government. Let's have the live debate. I'm happy for Theresa May to


stand on the single platform of strong and stable leadership. Are


you going to have the debate. Stop running away. Your man's run away


from the other debate. We are about to be running away from the studio.


Our time's nearly up. One very, very quick sentence from John Curtis, if


you were summing up today's contests, one sentence, what is the


end thought today? The end thought is that the general election is not


all done and dusted. There is going to be a vital fight for whether or


not the Conservatives can get the land slide majority they want.


Meanwhile, north of the border, the SNP look as though they have a


rather bigger job on their hands than perhaps they thought 24 hours


ago. Thank you, John. Thank you to my guests. Thank you for watching,


coverage continues on the BBC News channel, but we'll see you later on.


Bye for now.


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