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On row upon row of shelves in libraries like this one

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in the heart of the House of Commons, there are books

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on philosophy, society and politics.

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But there are only a very few authors who have managed to combine

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all three disciplines and seen their ideas adopted

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and sometimes put into practice.

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Working as a political journalist at a time when politics is

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viewed with such scepticism, we asked some famous faces to

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choose those political thinkers they think really are worth celebrating.

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In this programme, we're going to look at those who have laid

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the very foundation stones of our British political system.

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We're actually going to start in a different library,

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locked in on some very old manuscripts.

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John Locke, whose portrait is behind me,

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was an early Fellow of the Royal Society.

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He joined in 1668, before Isaac Newton did.

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Here in the library of the Royal Society in Pall Mall, I have

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in front of me letters that Locke wrote back to the Royal Society.

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One here from Montpellier, 1678,

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Observations Of The Moon, that he just thought would be interesting.

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Here, in Paris, a letter written back, Observations

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On A Medical Quirk, a boy who appeared to have been growing horns.

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Here, a constitution for part of colonial America.

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Things like this became

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the foundation for the American Constitution.

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This is a man with varied interests and interesting things to say.

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Today we'd call him a polymath.

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But I am off to meet a Labour MP who thinks his philosophies

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of politics are what make him really relevant and relevant to today.

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So let's start at the very beginning.

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Lisa, we have come to a nursery, which might seem a bit odd,

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but of course it is one of Locke's big theories, the tabula rasa,

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that we are all born a blank slate and accumulate knowledge.

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But when you were learning about Locke, what was it that excited you?

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That theory made a huge splash at the time, but actually what

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excited me was the theory of equality that Locke puts forward.

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We are in this nursery, surrounded by children,

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all of them with very different characteristics.

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But what Locke argued was that, for the purposes of political

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representation, none of those differences matter, we are all equal.

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So when I first picked up these books at university

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and found this radical idea in the middle of what is really quite

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an establishment figure in his thought, I thought

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this is a guy who is really worth reading.

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Those radical ideas get him into trouble with the establishment.

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I want to take you to the scene of what may or may not have

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been a plot he was involved in but certainly causes problems for him.

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Brilliant, let's go.

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Lisa, this is Rye House.

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Well, it is just the gatehouse now, the rest of it is gone.

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But in 1683 Locke is implicated in a plot to kill Charles II,

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who is King, and his brother James, who will become King,

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will become James II. Locke has to flee, to the Netherlands.

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He doesn't come back to Britain until the Glorious Revolution

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and William is installed on the throne, William of Orange.

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It seems to me that Locke is adapting to those people

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who are in power

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cos they happen to believe the sort of things that he believes.

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Actually, Giles, I think

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you are looking at this the wrong way round,

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because Locke was writing for those

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people in positions of power, people who had the ability to change things.

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At times this makes his philosophy seem inconsistent,

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perhaps even a bit incoherent when you take it as a whole.

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The really exciting thing about Locke is that he wasn't just a thinker,

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he was also a doer.

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He lives through these tremendous times, huge religious turmoil

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and this battle for power between King and Parliament.

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His argument about the limits of power on the Sovereign changed

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what was to happen next.

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Dr Elizabeth Frazer of Oxford University is clear,

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not only does Locke affect what happens next here

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but abroad too, by making a simple argument.

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Locke is the great theorist of anti-patriarchy.

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He set out to argue that patriarchalist theory,

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which was very common in the 17th century,

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the idea that political power is the power of the father

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over his sons, it is the power of the husband over his wife

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and that is what the King's power is.

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He set out to show that that is false.

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So, Lisa, this is All Saints, High Laver in Essex,

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where Locke worshipped for the last 13 years of his life.

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He lived in the area and he is buried in the churchyard.

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But church is quite important to one of his principal philosophies,

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the separation of powers between church,

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government - in the form of the King - and the judiciary.

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The important thing about Locke was that he was

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concerned with the limits of government power.

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Instead of seeing the monarchy as ruling by divine right

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handed down to them by God, he saw power as resting with the people.

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It was this idea that paved the way for the American War

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of Independence and for the French Revolution.

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If you look at the American Constitution, you can

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see Locke written into every line of that document.

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It is surprising, really, that this most

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conservative of philosophers should end up pushing forward ideas that

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were tremendously radical and would have such a revolutionary impact.

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Speaking about the church, he is very interested in religion,

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isn't he?

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That's right, he writes this profound defence of religious toleration.

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Locke might have been doing that for political reasons

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but the impact was to launch the first sustained

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campaign for religious freedom from inside the Church of England.

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Let's see if we can go and find his grave which is in the churchyard.

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I think, if I am right... Yep, there he is.

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There we go.

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The plaque here was actually put together by the American

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and British Commonwealth Association.

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So clearly, they understand the importance that he

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has in the American political system,

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but what relevance has John Locke got to us today?

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I think he is hugely relevant today.

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His defence of toleration, which was aimed at religion but set out broad

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principles which matter so much with the far right sweeping Europe.

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But there is something more than that, Giles,

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that I think he will really be remembered for.

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He set out the foundation of Western democracy,

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this idea that government only derives its legitimacy

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from the will of the people.

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With trust in politicians at an all-time low and people really

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dissatisfied with politics as a whole,

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we could do so much worse than to revisit

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the writings of a man from the 17th century to find answers

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to some of the really challenging problems that we face today.

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50-odd years after Locke died, Edmund Burke arrived in London.

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It's fair to say the 18th-century political philosopher

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Edmund Burke, who lived in this street, wouldn't recognise it today.

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It is in the heart of London's Chinatown.

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But he would recognise the British political system as it is today

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because, according to a Conservative MP and his biographer,

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he is the man who shaped it.

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Burke didn't start out in politics

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but studied law at the Middle Temple, mainly to please his father.

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Jesse, how are you? Good to see you.

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So we are here in this magnificent Middle Temple Hall, which is

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where Burke lands and arrives in London studying law.

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Why do you like Burke?

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I love Burke because he is a wonderful writer,

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he is an extraordinary political thinker

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and he is a terrific campaigner against social injustice.

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In short, he kind of writes the textbook

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for what a really good MP should be.

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He is also, of course, the first Conservative, if you like.

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Yes, he is.

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He is the first man who really moulds Conservatism into a coherent

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-body of thought.

-He studies here, he studies law, like lots of MPs.

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But he doesn't really like it.

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No, he loves the law but he is not keen at all on the Middle Temple.

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He seems to have found it a very narrow, dry education.

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He has got a lovely simile here where he says,

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"He that lives in a college, after his mind is sufficiently stocked

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"with learning, is like a man, who having built,

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"rigged and victualled a ship, should lock her up in a dry dock."

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I think he felt locked up in a dry dock himself

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while he was in the Middle Temple.

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He is very keen to get out into London

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and explore an expanding London, but he finds some important friends.

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Yes, London is going through a phenomenal artistic,

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cultural and indeed sexual revolution.

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He is very keen to get out and explore.

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-Why don't we go and see one of the houses?

-Excellent idea.

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Ah, so Dr Johnson's Withdrawing Room.

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What has Johnson got to do with Burke?

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Johnson is Burke's ticket to the centre of literary London

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and it is an amazing moment where Britain is kind of exploding

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with talent and thought.

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You've got Adam Smith revolutionising economics,

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you've got David Hume in philosophy,

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you've got Johnson himself in every branch of literature

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and then Burke is determined to leave his own imprint on politics.

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So what does he come up with?

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He comes up with the first theory of representative government

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and of party politics and of the duties of an MP.

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What is extraordinary is he doesn't just talk about it,

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he really puts it into practice himself.

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There is a great moment where he says to his constituents,

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"I am not going to kiss your boots,

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"what really matters is that I act on your behalf according

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"to my best judgment and not simply on your instructions." And that

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has become the kind of great doctrine of the way an MP thinks today.

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But doctrines fall when compromised

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and Burke treats two different revolutions in two different ways.

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At the time, Burke was horribly criticised by people who felt

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very let down by him

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because he had a reputation of being a reformer,

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as being progressive and his reaction to the French Revolution

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was simply reactionary. Very, very extreme.

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He went from one extreme to the other and people were shocked.

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We have come to Brooks's Club, just in the heart of St James's.

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Burke becomes a member here, he is very pleased about that.

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But I have a confusion.

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Burke is in favour of the American Revolution

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but not in favour of the French Revolution.

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Burke becomes a member of Brooks's in 1782, he is

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an Irishman from the wrong side of the tracks so he's absolutely

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thrilled by that and by the social acceptance that it means to him.

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Now, what is so fascinating about it is that Brooks's is the home

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of the reformers, the Whigs.

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Burke really believes in reform and not revolution

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and the reason why he supported the American colonists is

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because he thinks their way of life needs to be

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preserved against Crown imperial power.

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The reason he is against the French Revolution is

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because he thinks society is being overturned by a violent upheaval

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and that is what he opposes so strongly.

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Reform is important because we don't have a revolution.

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No, in Britain we don't have a revolution.

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We come close to one in the 1810s and '20s but we never have it.

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We have the Great Reform Act in 1832 and then the Second Reform Act

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in 1867.

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Those are the two great steps towards modern parliamentary democracy.

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Speaking of that, let's go to the heart of modern parliamentary democracy

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and find out what his relevance is today.

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We started in a magnificent hall.

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We are ending in one - this is Westminster Great Hall.

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Why have you brought us here, why Burke?

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Well, it is a very important place for Burke

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because it is in this building that Burke drags back the Governor General

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of India, Warren Hastings, in the mid-1780s.

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They have been filling their boots in the East India Company

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and he is determined to put them on trial for public accountability.

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What relevance does Burke have to what happens in the chamber today?

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It is really Burke who is driving the line between a state intervention

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we can't afford and cutting markets loose in a way that damages society.

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So it is through Burke we understand social renewal.

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Without him, we really can't understand modern politics at all.

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If you have Burke then you really also have to have Thomas Paine.

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You know, there can't be that many political philosophers that

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end up with a beer named after them.

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But they like Tom Paine here in Lewes,

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largely because he lived here, alongside New York and Paris.

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But the local MP likes him, not just because he was a resident,

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but because Paine's heady mix of reason,

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rights and justice is very much to his political taste.

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Paine was sent to Lewes as a customs and excise man

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so it seems apt to meet outside the house he made his own

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for six years, whilst Norman Baker explains Paine's appeal.

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I admire Thomas Paine tremendously. He stood for what he believed in,

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he wasn't prepared to bend with the prevailing wind.

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He stood for rights, for justice.

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As he put it himself, simple facts, plain arguments and common sense.

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He was a citizen of the world, an absolutely inspirational concept

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for people who want to be free of nation states.

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His theory is a theory of rights

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and the theory of rights that he bequeathed to us is basically

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the one that we now have in our human rights institutions.

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Lewes may look chocolate-box pretty

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but it's always had a character that made town and man a perfect match.

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Lewes has always been rather a bolshie place,

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which I rather like about it.

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It has always been prepared to challenge the establishment.

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Go back to the Battle of Lewes in 1264, which led to the first time

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the power of the King was checked and the first parliament established.

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You've got bonfire celebrations here in Lewes.

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Tom Paine suited Lewes and Lewes suited Tom Paine.

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With almost Lewesian logic, Thomas Paine,

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our great political thinker, thinks politics has a very limited role.

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For Paine, politics and government has one role only

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and that is to uphold the rights of individuals.

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It has got no business anywhere else.

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So here we are at this fantastic bowling green, which has been

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here for centuries. Unique to Lewes.

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And of course, Tom Paine himself was a member,

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would have bowled from here.

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-Right, OK. On this very spot?

-It could even be this very spot.

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Go on, then, give it a go.

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What do you think Paine is telling us in his works?

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I think he is saying that we should base what we do on freethinking,

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on reason and respect the individual and not be hemmed in

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by the tramlines of established orthodoxy which applied...

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That's an excellent shot!

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And does he get into trouble for saying all of this?

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Yes, because most people would bend and go with the flow. He didn't.

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Despite an immense contribution to the French Revolution

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and to the US Constitution, he ended up a pauper.

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-Just six people at his burial.

-Think you won that one.

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-I think that is bang on.

-It is bang on!

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His ideas inspired revolution and a constitution in America and later

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in France, where he was so involved he was even elected to the assembly.

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But relentless focus on rights does have its drawbacks.

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By the rights of man, he definitely meant the rights of MEN.

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Women's rights and feminist rights have been a problem

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theoretically and politically ever since.

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There is also just a more general problem with

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the idea of rights which is that it treats us as individuals,

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it can be seen to put us into competition with one another,

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it can be seen to lead to a litigious society, and Paine is

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accused of having ignored community, the relationships between us.

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But in the town pub where Paine drank and debated, there is

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an argument that his thinking still resonates today.

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Actually, it is of huge relevance because he was very modern

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for his time, which perhaps was an oddity then.

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But what he is talking about is very relevant today.

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He didn't like governments, he called them a necessary evil at best,

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intolerable at worst.

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He wanted to make sure the balance between the state

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and individual was framed towards the individual, which is a very

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modern way of looking at things.

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He was very suspicious of unelected bodies, the House of Lords,

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the monarchy.

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We're still wrestling with the House of Lords now, aren't we?

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-Here's to Tom Paine.

-Cheers.

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From Paine's Rights Of Man,

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we turn to Mary Wollstonecraft's rights of women.

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It is unusual, isn't it?

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A very modern, daubed-on-a-wall style portrait

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of an 18th-century philosopher.

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But this is Mary Wollstonecraft, a campaigner for women's rights,

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equality and education, who was well ahead of her time.

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I am here in London to meet an MP who was a fan of hers long before

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her party made her a spokesperson on just those kinds of issues.

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For someone who questioned

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so much about the norms of the society they lived in, it is odd

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we should start her story in a church that she regularly attended.

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So, Gloria, here we are in the pew she sat in, in the church she

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worshipped in, that boasts itself it is the birthplace of feminism.

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I guess it is a bit of a no-brainer,

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but why do you like Mary Wollstonecraft?

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I remember first reading about Mary Wollstonecraft

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when I was an undergraduate at university.

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She was the first feminist, the first person to say,

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"Actually, no, women are not inferior to men."

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And remember, she was saying this at a time, in a century,

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where political thinking, political writing, philosophy,

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totally dominated by men.

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She was a pioneer in a man's world.

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You know, I work in politics

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so I know about what it is like to speak out in a man's world.

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Thank you, Mary Wollstonecraft, you started us off.

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She is a very important philosopher of education

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and if we think of the field that we now know as cultural studies,

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opening up that question of the relationship between culture,

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society and state, it is all there in her book.

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Gloria, I brought you to London's oldest brick terrace

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but there is a reason.

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At the time Mary Wollstonecraft is living in Newington Green,

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this is the home of the minister of the church where we were at,

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Richard Price.

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But he also hosts loads of

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great Enlightenment thinkers at this house.

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Of course, Mary Wollstonecraft writes her seminal work,

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the Vindication Of The Rights Of Woman,

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just a year after Thomas Paine has written his Rights Of Man.

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And he was talking about the rights of men.

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As you say, this was the Enlightenment.

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An age where thinkers were turning their back on religion,

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tradition, folklore and saying,

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"Actually, where it's at is science, it's reason, it's logic."

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Mary Wollstonecraft's point was that, if reason is where it's at,

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how can women be confined to their traditional roles?

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They should be able to use their talents in the same way as men.

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However, they're not, because they're not educated, and she said,

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"I want them to be taught to think."

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On that, she practised what she preached.

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It was just around here that she set up a girls' school.

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There is a plaque just over there which commemorates it.

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It was during her time at the school where she writes her first book.

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Ah, yes, Thoughts On The Education Of Daughters.

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Yes, which peculiarly was a kind of guide to female manners.

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Nonetheless, she earned £10, she was very pleased about this.

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In fact, in letters which have been published subsequently,

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there is a letter to her sister which she wrote a year after,

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saying, "I hope you have not forgot I am an author."

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Whatever Mary thought of herself,

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what others have thought of her has changed over time.

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She was vilified as a feminist.

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She was then sainted as a figure of the radical Romantic movement.

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She was understood to be the founder of liberal feminism with her

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emphasis on rights.

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I now think we are coming to a point where scholars and historians

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are able to get to grips with the complexity of her work.

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Gloria, this is the memorial to Mary Wollstonecraft.

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She is not actually buried here.

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She dies tragically young, 38,

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11 days after giving birth to Mary Shelley, the author of Frankenstein.

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But what seems to be really sad about her is her reputation

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gets buried with her.

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Her reputation was trashed as some kind of immoral fanatic.

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That is because of the decisions she made in her personal life.

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She had an affair with a married man and she knew he was married.

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She had a child out of wedlock, which was big news in those days.

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Those things were kind of used by some, many in fact,

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as a stick to beat her with.

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That attitude seems to last for almost a century.

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It is relatively recently that academics have gone back

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and said, "Hang on, let's just go and look at what she was saying."

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The issues in her personal life, which she wrote about too,

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are still the challenges that we talk about as women today -

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earning a living, having a career, falling in love, raising children.

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Still the very same challenges we face today.

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And that makes her pretty special.

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She knew she was special, she knew she was exceptional.

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In fact, she once said, "I was not born to walk in the beaten track."

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She wasn't short on self-confidence.

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That's very true!

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So far our thinkers have been pre-19th century,

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but not so JS Mill.

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One of the biggest political debates of our time is

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freedom of speech, what are we at liberty to say and think?

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In the context of that debate,

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I have come to Kensington Square to talk to a commentator

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and journalist about why he thinks now is the right time to

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visit the works and thoughts of the philosopher who lived here, JS Mill.

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-Morning, Toby.

-Good morning.

-Foul morning, but this is Mill's house.

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Why do you like Mill so much?

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JS Mill was the first political philosopher I read,

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aged 17, as part of preparing for my Oxford interview.

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I was a punk anarchist at the time and Mill very clearly articulates

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these principles which circumscribe the limits of state action.

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As a teenage anarchist, I found that really appealing.

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That's you as a teenager being educated, but of course

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Mill's education is very important as well.

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Yes, Mill had a very unusual education. He was taught Greek

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at the age of three, was reading Plato in the original aged 10.

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His father, who home-schooled him, James Mill,

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was a disciple of Jeremy Bentham, the founder of utilitarianism.

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James Mill also co-founded University College London.

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Mill completed his education by attending lectures

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as a teenager at UCL.

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At least that's inside, so let's go there now.

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JS Mill's theory of freedom is cogent and powerful and readable.

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He was courageous,

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he stood up for the rights of women in a hostile environment.

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He changed himself, getting over an unhappy childhood.

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And here's why he's really important today,

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he did that by educating himself, or re-educating himself.

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For him, education is absolutely central to life.

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Toby, you mentioned Jeremy Bentham, and there he is, that really is him.

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His skeleton, at least.

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They had to remove his head because it was a bit gruesome,

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and put the waxwork on. But he is the founder of utilitarianism.

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Mill's father is a disciple of his but JS Mill has

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a sort of crisis about it. Tell me what happens.

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At the age of 20, Mill had what he described as a nervous breakdown.

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He'd had this difficult experience

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in his childhood of being brought up in a household in which

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his father and all his father's intellectual companions were

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completely beholden to this man.

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I think one of the reasons Mill devoted his life to resisting

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intellectual oppression in all its forms was because of

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the intellectually oppressive atmosphere in his childhood home.

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So that of course is Bentham,

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let's go and have a look at JS Mill himself.

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This is Temple Gardens, along the Embankment.

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It has to be said, you have to have a good look around.

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There are loads of statues, it takes some finding.

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But there he is, JS Mill.

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They have put up a statue to him, but what is his great claim to fame?

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Well, he wrote a number of celebrated essays on subjects

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like utilitarianism and representative democracy.

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He was an MP. He was the first MP, I think, to call for votes for women.

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But his great claim to fame is his essay entitled On Liberty,

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in which he articulates what has become known as the harm principle,

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which has become one of the touchstones of libertarianism.

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The principle is that the only justification for restraining

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an individual, for the state interfering in an individual's life

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and preventing him from doing something against his will,

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is to prevent harm to others.

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Over his own mind and body, the individual should be sovereign.

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Mill wasn't just a philosopher but also an MP,

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though he wasn't as radical a politician as he was a thinker.

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For Mill, politics is just as it is.

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He accepts the politics of his time, which is striking in someone

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who is so unconventional

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and who refuses to be hidebound by the values of his day.

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So, Toby, he is a Victorian political thinker.

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Does he have any relevance to us today?

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One of the points that Mill made most forcefully is that democracy

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and liberty don't always go hand in hand.

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Indeed, they are often in conflict.

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There ought to be certain carefully defined spheres

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into which the state shouldn't be able to intrude.

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And part of that sphere should obviously be free speech.

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The harm principle is quite useful when it comes to delineating

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the limits of what the state's power should be.

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When it comes to, for instance,

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whether we should ban Page 3 or prohibit

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the expression of misogynistic points of view on Twitter,

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we should ask ourselves, will banning

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and prohibiting that behaviour cause more harm than allowing it?

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I think Mill's answer is that yes, in almost every case it is.

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I think it is important to remind Parliament of that,

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particularly now.

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Speaking of freedom of speech,

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I feel free to say, thank God it has stopped raining!

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Next time, we will look at those who built on these foundations

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to make a modern contribution to our political world.

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