Edited Coverage Nelson Mandela: A Nation Remembers


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Nelson Mandela achieved what many people believed to be the

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impossible, to deliver from the violence and chaos from a country

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living with tensions, both between races and within the black

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community, a country that did not tear itself apart, but embarked on a

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new life as a democracy. That triumph made him a figure admired

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throughout the world, admired for his courage, his resoluteness and

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his magnanimity in victory. He offered the world a vision that

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sometimes life can turn out for the better and that to believe that is

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the right way to live. It's the inspiration that brought thousands

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of South Africans to Johannesburg today for the national memorial

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event in the huge football stadium just outside Soweto, that sprawling

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black township where Mandela spent most of his adult life until he was

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imprisoned for over 27 years when just 44 years old. Rain in South

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Africa, particularly at a funeral, is considered to be a blessing from

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God. It may have meant the stadium wasn't completely full today. Inside

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the stadium, before the service started, a choir of voices sang in

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praise of the man they call Madiba or Tata - Father. There were a host

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of famous faces here, nearly 100 heads of state, heads of government,

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President Obama, the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, Tony Blair,

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distinguished figure of one man who was on Robben Island with Nelson

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Mandela. His lawyer at the trials. FW de Klerk, the former President of

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South Africa. And the familiar figure of Desmond Tutu and then

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Winnie Mandela, his second wife. So, here we are sat in the dark in

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Pretoria. Behind us, the wonderful view of the Union Buildings where,

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tomorrow, Nelson Mandela's body will lie in state for the ordinary people

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of South Africa to pay tribute. I have three guests with me in the

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studio, all of whom - you were all there today, weren't you? Yes. Let

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me introduce them. On my left, the partner of Steve Beco. In February

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of this year, she started a new political party, to chivvy the ANC.

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Next to her, a man who was deeply involved in the traditional element

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in the services that take place at the weekend, but is also an ANC MP

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in Parliament. Then, a woman who is very popular among the black

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community for the courage she showed during the apartheid years. You were

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banned from singing some of your hymns? I was banned on my return

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after performing on the frontline. What happened if you were a banned

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person under apartheid? As a singer, it was a bit of a dud for me. I

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wasn't allowed to be heard on radio, or on television. Nothing. I was

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silenced. How did you know Mandela? What do you remember of him? Like

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everybody who grew up in South Africa, I heard about him. I read

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about him. It so happened on the day when I was celebrating my

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graduation, at home, I got a surprise telegram coming from Robben

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Island with Madiba congratulating me for having achieved... Because he

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knew your family? He did know my family. My grandfather - actually,

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my father and his sister, one of his sisters, grew up with him. You, of

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course, have endlessly been described as Steve's partner. He

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died in police custody. Have you been a supporter of the ANC, has

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that been your position, politically? My position,

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politically, has always been that of an active citizen, an activist

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student and later an active professional. I never belonged to

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any political party and the ANC's association is merely because I'm

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very close to many people who are members of the ANC. Of course, I was

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very close to Mr Mandela. We are going to... I never carried a card

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for the ANC. You were there today. What did you make of it? We are

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going to see some scenes in a moment. What did you think of it? It

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made me realise that with great leadership, this country can come

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together. That's what Madiba did today. For me, even upon his death,

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we were privy to a country coming together under extreme

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circumstances, extreme weather. It's just the wonderment of this man that

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manages again and again to pull us together. This - let's have a look

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at the stadium where today's memorial was held. It's become an

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iconic location. It did have a particular meaning for Nelson

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Mandela himself. The FNB Stadium was opened in 1989. Less than a year

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later, huge crowds came here to welcome Mandela home two days after

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he was set free. No football game in South Africa ever drew crowds like

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these. 48 hours after Nelson Mandela's release, finally the

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prospect of seeing their hero on home ground. My return to Soweto

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fills my heart with joy. Africa! Africa! Mandela came back in 1993

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for two painful events - the funeral of his ANC friend Oliver Tambo and

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of Chris Hani, the leader of the ANC's military wing, who had been

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murdered. We want an election date now. The following year with Mandela

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President, the FNB Stadium was host to the African Cup of Nations. South

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Africa reached the final and with only 17 minutes left before the

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whistle, Mark Williams scored two goals in two minutes. The victory

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proved euphoric. One of the unifying moments in a country obsessed with

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sport. South Africans of all races celebrated their nation's triumph.

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In 2010, the stadium was completely rebuilt for the World Cup, played

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here in South Africa. It was seen as the symbol of a revitalised nation.

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The closing ceremony of the World Cup, just three years ago, saw

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Mandela's last official public appearance. We will hear some of the

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speeches that were made this morning there. It does seem to me there is a

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lot of - there are obvious things that were said about Mandela, about

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his charm, about his courage. People don't so often talk about his

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political astuteness. He seems to me to have been extremely clever and

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cunning in his politics? Would you agree with that? Absolutely. He was

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a studied strategist of political engagement. He cultivated that

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during his imprisonment. He read every book that was to be read about

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the Afrikaans people. He read many biographies and he got to know each

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and every one of the people that he engaged. So when he talked to his

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jailors, he talked to them as fellow South Africans. When do you think it

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dawned on them that the Afrikaaner needed him as much as he needed

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them? What he did realise was the only way you could break an impasse

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was for you who stand to gain more from the breaking of the impasse to

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be willing to see the opportunities for compromise. You are asking

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people who are in power to share that power and you come from the

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outside and, therefore, you are the one who has to be willing to

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compromise but do so in a way that takes the collective much further.

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Hence his discussions with the ANC when he began talks with the

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government saying to them, "We must make the first step to talk to them.

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It is ridiculous not to." Them in the end coming around to agree to

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that. The point is that he did not get agreement to talk to the other

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side, which is one of the reasons why he asked to be put in solitary

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confinement because he understood the importance of the moment. That

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was the moment to talk. His peers and his comrades were not ready. He

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decided to lead from the front. None of them stopped him, it has to be

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said. Let's go - we will come back to this - the memorial service. It

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began with the singing of the National Anthem. "God Save Africa."

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# Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika. # Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo.

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# Yizwa imithandazo yethu. # Nkosi sikelela, thina lusapho

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lwayo. # Morena boloka setjhaba sa heso.

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# O fedise dintwa la matshwenyeho. # O se boloke, O se boloke setjhaba

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sa heso. # Setjhaba sa South Afrika - South

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Afrika. On behalf of the President, I

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welcome all of you who have travelled from all corners of the

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world. I also extend warm words of welcome to our friends from all over

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the world and let us give Nelson Mandela's friends, as well as the

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friends of South Africa from all over the world, a round of South

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African warm welcome and say thank you for coming.

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We were not able to stop the rain. But this is how Nelson Mandela would

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have wanted to be sent off. These are blessings in our African

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tradition. When it rains when you are buried, it means that your Gods

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are welcoming you and the gates of heaven are most probably open as

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well. This occasion should make all of us

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to pause today and reflect on the life of Nelson Mandela. Today's

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memorial service should hopefully give each one of us together our

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memories of Nelson Mandela and on Sunday, we will bid him farewell in

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Qunu when we lay him to rest knowing that our memories of him will endure

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forever. I would like us now to do what he would have wanted us to do -

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that is to open this memorial service with an interfaith opening

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prayer. The prayers came from Chief Rabbi

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Warren Goldstein, a representative of the Muslim faith and the

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archbishop. In whose hands are the souls of the living and the dead,

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receive we beseech you in your great loving kindness the soul of Nelson

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Rolihlahla Mandela who has been gathered unto his people. Remember

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him for the righteousness which he has done. Your sun shall never more

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set, for the Lord God shall be your everlasting light and the days of

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your mourning shall be ended and let us say amen.

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Oh, supreme Lord. Lead us from untruth to truth.

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Like our father Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela. Lead us from darkness to

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light, like our father, Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela. Lead us from

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death to immortality, like our father, Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela.

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May he rest in peace. Amen. Our indebtedness to Madiba for his

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self--less efforts, in salvaging the nation and leading it to the path of

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peace, reconciliation and harmony. And laying the foundation of a free

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and prosperous South Africa. With this prayer, we ask, let us

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dedicate ourselves to the good ideals he strove to in his life.

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Amen. Creator, God, Lord of life and love,

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you hold the whole yun verse in your hands. Hell -- universe in your

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hands. Help us to draw on the lessons of our past and to build on

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the firm foundation that by your grace Madiba laid for us, give us

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courage to hold fast to his values, to follow the example of his

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practises and to share them with the world.

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May he rest in peace and rise in glory.

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Amen. # Da-da Madiba

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Nelson Mandela The national chair of the ANC, the

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African national Congress, who is cochairing this memorial event.

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We are here to mourn the great man, but also to celebrate a glorious

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life well lived. Today, more than any other is thankfulness for that

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wonderful life. A son of Africa Africa. A descendant of a great

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king. You will always be remembered. We are now going to call upon

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Madiba's grandchildren. Madiba had 18 grandchildren and 12 great

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grandchildren. We are going to call them, who are going to come and pay

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tribute to their grandfather and great grandfather. I call them to

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come to the stage to come and express their tributes to their

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grandfather. On behalf of the family I would like

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to thank all the heads of state that are here. Thank you. Madiba, the

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last walk. Struck by lightning bolts in the dead of night, day dazed and

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dis or disorientated, struggling to bid farewell to any mortal, caught

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in the whirl wind. What do I do? I need a poem. When sadness and

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celebrations can mingle, the body shudders, shakes and implodes. When

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it blows in memories, the land is dreamt off. You are lodged in our

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memories. You tower over the world like a Comet. Leaving streaks of

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light for us to follow. We salute you. Madiba.

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Who stole the fire from the Gods. The light to light our path to

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freedom. Who lit our stoves to cook a meal of

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peace and reconciliation. The giant tree has fallen, scattering one

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million bright leafs, each messages of peace of love and reconciliation.

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Shall we walk in his footstep footsteps? . Madiba, they say, you

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are a brilliant man. They say you are a wise man. You

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remind them of a wise man too. They say you have warmth and charm.

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Warm and charming too. They say you are resilient. You are a mirror that

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reflects the glory and splendour of heart. People reflect this dreams.

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You have taught us that. A group of trees break the angry wind. The tree

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that towers above the rest is broken by the wind. Proud of dreams of a

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future where black and white, rich and poor, men, women and children

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must live side by side. Dreaming the same dream. Realising that the time

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in our land, we salute you. They were very moving, weren't they,

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the grandchildren. That very last. PJ Powers, we saw you in there,

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singing the choir. What were you singing? We were sing singing Nelson

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Mandela. Let's see it. There you are, in the

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middle there. You wrote some songs for these

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events. Have you got some songs, your famous songs. You sang at the

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World Cup. Yes, I did. That is a song that has been sung at all the

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Rugby World Cups. It was a hymn. I did it at the 1995 World Cup. What

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did you think of today? What did you make of it? It with us a wonderful

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celebration. It was a send-off, as I said earlier, this man who brought

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everybody together. That is how it happened Oman Mandela is and will

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remain -- is how it happened. Nelson Mandela is and will remain the

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greatest thing this country will ever see. What did you make of

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today? I realised that Mandela is the unifier.

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The whole world was here in South Africa.

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You were touched by the number of people who came? The number of

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foreign dignitaries. Did you not expect that? I did expect South

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Africans would come in their numbers. I did not expect the heads

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of state and Government would come in the numbers they did. Countries

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that I wouldn't have thought that had a lot of dealings with South

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Africa. What do you think brought them here?

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Mandela. They had to be here to represent their countries. It looks

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like to me, everybody would like to be like Mandela. Anyone who is a

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leader of a community of people, a nation, and if they can't, at least

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they must be associated with Mandela. And he inspires them in

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various ways. Not all of them are able, or none of them are able to

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emulate him as much as they would like to, but he is an example that

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everybody would like to be associated with. Do you think a new

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generation will draw inspiration from Mandela's life. What would you

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want them to learn from it? Mandela touches that inside ourselves, that

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wants us to be bigger. And I have seen it with young

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people. Even young children, having just touched him, having just been

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touched by him. Already, so in terms of their

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possibilities. And that, I think, is what is amazing about his legacy.

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He's legacy calls us to greatness. At every point, because the way he

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related to people, he made himself present in the moment that he talks

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to you. However young, however old, however poor, however rich, he was

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present in the moment. And of course, his example of

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servant leadership, a man who gave of himself, in order to serve, not

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in a subservient way, but in a way that says, this is what leadership

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is about. This is what is possible if we work

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together. And so, I believe that today we were

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celebrate celebrating the greatness of, not just the man, but the

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greatness of what he has inspired in us. And in our country and in the

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world. The African National Congress

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organised today. You represent also traditional leaders and you are

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going to play a special part in the ceremony? As part of the collective

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of tragsal leadership in the area. -- traditional leadership in the

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area. Being the old original law-giving law-makers. The original

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rulers of South Africa. We have heard of things like speaking to the

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body and particularly - what actually happens? What will we see

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happen? Well, we believe that a person even as he is dead continues

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to live through his spirit. So, therefore that is why it is

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important that when he is to be moved from one place to the other

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that someone has to speak to him. To speak to his spirit, to tell him

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this is where we are moving from now, this is where we're going to.

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So his spirit does not wander about. It must be together with the body

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until the final resting place. So that it become becomes part of the

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family - the guardian of the home steed, where he lies to rest. What

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is the relationship between traditional leadership and the more

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political leadership of the ANC, in your view? I believe South Africa

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has strived to do and is still striving to do is to have a place in

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our constitutional democracy for traditional leadership. And this is

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important because there is a sense in which the evolution of

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traditional leadership in South Africa was interrupted by

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colonialism. So, the process of bring bringing into modernity those

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cultural customary practises has to be enacted in a way that is within

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the spirit of a human rights-based constitution. That is the genius of

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Madiba, in that he recognised the importance of traditional

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leadership. But also recognised the contradictions that are likely to

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arise. And, as a lawyer, and as a human rights principled man, he

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always made sure that when there is a contradiction, the constitution

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must rule. You as, not belonging to that side of South African culture,

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are you surprised by that? Do you find a conflict between the modern

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politician and the traditional, well you were there dancing and singing

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in the traditional style - is it surprising to you, is it natural to

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you? I believe the two can co-habit.

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There is a place. I cherish the modern side that plans the way

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forward. We will see a singer in a moment, I hope. Let's watch a bit

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more of what went on this morning. I suppose the highlight of the day for

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many was the speech by the American President, Barack Obama. But other

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speeches and music before that. Here, for instance, is the

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Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon. Nelson Mandela

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showed us the way with a heart larger than this stadium and an

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infectious smile that could light up the world. Nelson Mandela is at

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rest. His long walk complete. Let us now be inspired by the spirit he

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awoken in all of us. It is a duty of all of us who loved him to keep his

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memory alive, in our hearts and to embody his example in our lives. May

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he rest in peace and eternity. # Can reach down and bless our

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hearts # From his heaven above... #

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To the people of South Africa - people of every race and walk of

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life - the world thanks you for sharing Nelson Mandela with us. It

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is hard to eulogise any man - to capture in words not just the facts

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and the dates that make a life, but the essential truth of a person -

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their private joys and sorrows; the quiet moments and unique qualities

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that illuminate someone's soul. How much harder to do so for a giant of

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history, who moved a nation toward justice, and in the process moved

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billions around the world. We see a man who earned his place in history

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through struggle and shrewdness and persistence and faith. He tells us

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what is possible, not just in the pages of history books, but in our

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own lives as well. Moreover, he accepted the consequences of his

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actions, knowing that standing up to powerful interests and injustice

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carries a price. "I have fought against white domination and I have

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fought against black domination. I've cherished the ideal of a

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democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony

:35:44.:35:47.

and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for

:35:48.:35:52.

and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared

:35:53.:36:11.

to die." There is a word in South Africa - Ubuntu - a word that

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captures Mandela's greatest gift: his recognition that we are all

:36:19.:36:21.

bound together in ways that are invisible to the eye; that there is

:36:22.:36:24.

a oneness to humanity; that we achieve ourselves by sharing

:36:25.:36:27.

ourselves with others, and caring for those around us. We will never

:36:28.:36:51.

see the likes of Nelson Mandela again. May God bless the people of

:36:52.:37:02.

South Africa. Can I just remind the people sitting up there that we will

:37:03.:37:14.

wait until you have finished? Can we keep silent, please? Right up there.

:37:15.:37:29.

We do not call Madiba the father of our nation, merely for political

:37:30.:38:22.

correctness or relevance: We do so because he laid a firm foundation

:38:23.:38:25.

for the South Africa of our dreams - one that is united, non-racial,

:38:26.:38:28.

non-sexist, democratic and prosperous. We do so because Madiba

:38:29.:38:31.

was a courageous leader. Courageous leaders are able to abandon their

:38:32.:38:34.

narrow concerns for bigger and all-embracing dreams, even if those

:38:35.:38:37.

dreams come at a huge price. Madiba embodied this trait. He was a

:38:38.:38:41.

fearless freedom fighter who refused to allow the brutality of the

:38:42.:38:44.

apartheid state to stand in the way of the struggle for the liberation

:38:45.:38:51.

of his people. Our Father, Madiba, has run a good race. He declared in

:38:52.:39:04.

his own words, in 1994, he said, "Death is something inevitable. When

:39:05.:39:12.

a man has done what he considers to be his duty to his people and his

:39:13.:39:21.

country, he can rest in peace. I believe I've made that effort and

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that is, therefore, why I will sleep for eternity." Rest in peace, Our

:39:32.:39:39.

Father, and our hero. Thank you very much.

:39:40.:39:53.

We promise God, you must say "yes". We promise God that we are going to

:39:54.:40:10.

follow the example of Nelson Mandela. Yes!

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STUDIO: A robust blessing given by Desmond Tutu. He said he wouldn't

:40:42.:41:09.

give the blessing unless there was silence, so he could hear a pin

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drop. Then the dignitaries and the crowd left. Winnie Mandela in the

:41:14.:41:17.

middle. There were four British Prime Ministers here today for this

:41:18.:41:21.

memorial. Sir John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David

:41:22.:41:25.

Cameron, who I spoke to here about his reaction to the events he had

:41:26.:41:29.

witnessed. You have come from the stadium. What

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was it like in there? It was more like a celebration than a

:41:34.:41:38.

commemoration, a music, dance, people swaying - it was

:41:39.:41:41.

extraordinary. I thought the highlight was the Obama speech,

:41:42.:41:46.

where it was very, very powerful and really roused the crowd. It made

:41:47.:41:51.

everyone look inwards and think, "What more can I do to honour the

:41:52.:41:55.

memory of this great man?" You didn't get to speak at all? I wasn't

:41:56.:42:01.

coming to speak, I was coming to pay my respects. That was a wonderful

:42:02.:42:04.

thing to be able to do. You felt very proud to be there. Also, an

:42:05.:42:09.

extraordinary opportunity to meet quite so many other heads of state

:42:10.:42:15.

and government, the sort of diplomatic argy-bargy was

:42:16.:42:19.

interesting in itself. Tell us about that. It is quite odd to find four

:42:20.:42:24.

American presidents all in one place. In fact, Carter, Clinton,

:42:25.:42:27.

Bush, Obama. That is an interesting start. Then a lot of African

:42:28.:42:33.

leaders, who I have met before, I was able to talk to. I could

:42:34.:42:37.

commiserate with Francois Hollande about his losses in the Central

:42:38.:42:42.

African Republic. Then a wide range of people from the President of

:42:43.:42:52.

Mexico to the Prime Minister of India. Raul Castro, did you shake

:42:53.:42:57.

his hand? I didn't. I didn't meet him, actually. I managed to not meet

:42:58.:43:02.

Robert Mugabe. Other than that, I did meet a lot of people. How did

:43:03.:43:06.

you manage not to meet Robert Mugabe? I can't think. Deft hands!

:43:07.:43:15.

There are some African leaders I admire. The President of Botswana is

:43:16.:43:23.

doing a fantastic job. Yes. There are people who are doing great

:43:24.:43:28.

things for their countries. Do you really have a chance to say anything

:43:29.:43:34.

meaningful? You are there for quite a long time. Yes, you do. There are

:43:35.:43:39.

always - our Foreign Office is very good at making the most of all your

:43:40.:43:43.

contacts. There's this wonderful thing on some of their notes that

:43:44.:43:48.

says, "Perhaps best not to talk to you, but if you do, this is the

:43:49.:43:52.

point you ought to make." You do have a chance. You have cue cards

:43:53.:43:57.

like Ronald Reagan used to have? Britain is - we are competing in a

:43:58.:44:02.

global race. We want to have relationships, engagements across

:44:03.:44:06.

the world. In Africa, you have some of the fastest-growing economies

:44:07.:44:11.

right now. Getting Britain more involved in South Africa, Nigeria,

:44:12.:44:16.

Botswana, Mozambique, this is a very important part of our country. It is

:44:17.:44:21.

not appropriate to do too much of that during a massive commemoration

:44:22.:44:24.

like today. These relationships matter. I spend a lot of time on

:44:25.:44:28.

them. You have been critical of the Conservative Party's attitude

:44:29.:44:33.

towards apartheid. Do you think Mrs Thatcher and that period allowed

:44:34.:44:38.

apartheid to go on longer than it otherwise would have done? Mrs

:44:39.:44:42.

Thatcher was an opponent of apartheid. She wanted Nelson Mandela

:44:43.:44:47.

freed and letters have been released to prove that. There was the

:44:48.:44:51.

question of the attitude towards sanctions, which I have spoken about

:44:52.:44:54.

in the past. I think we should be clear that all political parties in

:44:55.:44:58.

Britain were opposed to apartheid. I remember seeing for myself what an

:44:59.:45:02.

appalling system it was. What were the mistakes that the Conservative

:45:03.:45:12.

Party made? I wrote about this in 2006. There was an argument there.

:45:13.:45:20.

There is always an argument with sanctions. Does it hit the

:45:21.:45:24.

government? Or does it hit the people? On all sides of politics,

:45:25.:45:30.

everyone wanted to see change in South Africa. I don't think anyone

:45:31.:45:34.

believed in their heart of hearts that it really would happen as

:45:35.:45:38.

peacefully as it did. That was the most wonderful thing about it.

:45:39.:45:44.

Mandela leaving prison and then this immense political change also made

:45:45.:45:48.

possible - we should remember this - and he was there today in the seats

:45:49.:45:53.

with all the world leaders - FW de Klerk who himself was awarded the

:45:54.:45:58.

Nobel Peace Prize and who helped make this extraordinary change

:45:59.:46:11.

possible. Just on a political point what, do you think for a politician

:46:12.:46:17.

is the lesson that Mandela taught? I think the biggest lesson is this

:46:18.:46:22.

immense generosity and this boldness - this sense that you should do the

:46:23.:46:28.

right thing. When you think of how bitter Mandela could have been, when

:46:29.:46:31.

you think of the leadership he could have given in a more sectional

:46:32.:46:36.

direction. The fact he choose openness, he choose to forgive his

:46:37.:46:43.

former captors andor mentors and wanted to create an open and

:46:44.:46:47.

generous South Africa, I think that is an immense political lesson. That

:46:48.:46:52.

was the best part, for me of the whole day was Obama saying, there

:46:53.:46:57.

are those who hold up Madiba as an icon, but don't always follow his

:46:58.:47:04.

lessons about tolerance, not imprisoning your political

:47:05.:47:06.

opponents. I thought that was a great moment. I thought a very

:47:07.:47:10.

powerful point that perhaps only Obama could have made in that way,

:47:11.:47:14.

at that time, in front of all those people. Prime Minister, thank you

:47:15.:47:17.

very much. Thank you for joining us. David Cameron, who was here earlier.

:47:18.:47:25.

Now the mourning lasts several days. Tomorrow, something quite different.

:47:26.:47:31.

Tomorrow, the commemoration moves from the football stadium in Soweto,

:47:32.:47:36.

here to Pretoria, the capital of South Africa.

:47:37.:47:40.

For three days Nelson Mandela's body will lie here in state for the

:47:41.:47:44.

ordinary people of South Africa to file past. These are the Union

:47:45.:47:49.

Buildings - the headquarters of the presidency and the Government. It

:47:50.:47:53.

was here that just under 20 years ago we watched Nelson Mandela, up

:47:54.:47:58.

there on the platform, taking the oath as President, surrounded by all

:47:59.:48:02.

of the people who opposed him - the General, the chiefs of police, the

:48:03.:48:07.

nationalist politician, as he became President of South Africa. There was

:48:08.:48:12.

that great moment when the jets from the South African Air Force streamed

:48:13.:48:16.

past, flying coloured smoke in the colours of the South African flag.

:48:17.:48:20.

Tomorrow will be a much more sombre affair, of course. The coffin will

:48:21.:48:23.

be brought from the military hospital, down there in Pretoria,

:48:24.:48:29.

will wind up through these gardens to this central platform here. It is

:48:30.:48:33.

here that people will file past. And each day, for three days, that

:48:34.:48:37.

coffin is going to be brought from the hospital, to be taken back at

:48:38.:48:42.

night and then once again to go through the streets. No doubt the

:48:43.:48:46.

scenes will be very moving. There's another building that is

:48:47.:48:49.

just as important to the Mandela story here in downtown Pretoria -

:48:50.:48:54.

the Palace of Justice, on Church Square. It is here where Mandela was

:48:55.:49:00.

put on trial for plotting violent revolution on 9th October, 1963.

:49:01.:49:06.

He expected the death penalty, but received a life sentence, to a

:49:07.:49:11.

hugely relieved public gallery. The 27 years he spent in jail changed

:49:12.:49:16.

him, as he explained to me when I met him.

:49:17.:49:20.

Before I went to jail I was very arrogant. And there is evidence of

:49:21.:49:24.

that. But you know, when I was in jail, I

:49:25.:49:32.

had something I did not have outside - the ability to sit down and just

:49:33.:49:40.

think. To review your past life and the future role you have to play. I

:49:41.:49:48.

became ashamed, because I'd behaved like an animal, to people who were

:49:49.:49:55.

very kind to me. And I decided that if ever I got a chance, I will make

:49:56.:50:02.

them appreciate what they did to me. They would know that I appreciated.

:50:03.:50:09.

In just a few hours, these streets will be blocked off and the solemn

:50:10.:50:13.

funeral procession will make its way. Another step on South Africa's

:50:14.:50:18.

long goodbye to Nelson Mandela. The man they call Madiba.

:50:19.:50:26.

And here we are with the Union Buildings behind us. We will be

:50:27.:50:31.

there early tomorrow for the funeral procession. Let's use these last

:50:32.:50:35.

moments to talk about what happens next. Everybody has expressed their

:50:36.:50:41.

view about what Mandela gave South Africa. The question now is, South

:50:42.:50:45.

Africa clearly has problems - how is that legacy going to be turned, do

:50:46.:50:50.

you think, into policies that keep the country united? You have started

:50:51.:50:53.

a new political party because you don't like what the ANC are doing.

:50:54.:51:01.

I believe that Mandela's passing gives us another opportunity. A

:51:02.:51:08.

second chance to re-commit to the values that he lived and worked so

:51:09.:51:15.

hard for. Which the African National Congress have moved away from that?

:51:16.:51:22.

I believe that there is a big gap between what leaders in the African

:51:23.:51:27.

National Congress say and what they do. The issue of human dignity

:51:28.:51:38.

cannot be set to be met with the kind of conditions under which the

:51:39.:51:43.

majority of South Africans still live. You speak of poverty and no

:51:44.:51:54.

electricity and no education and no jobs, indeed. The most important gap

:51:55.:52:02.

is education, which Mandela himself said, education is the key to the

:52:03.:52:07.

future. What the ANC has failed to do over the last 20 years is to

:52:08.:52:13.

provide every child with an education that will awaken the

:52:14.:52:21.

genius. Instead, we have young people graduating from high school

:52:22.:52:28.

who can't read, can't write and end up in our streets. Four million of

:52:29.:52:34.

them are out there. What is to be down? Your party? Let's build a

:52:35.:52:41.

South Africa of our dreams. A South Africa which will encapsulate this

:52:42.:52:48.

dream and the focus has to be on quality education that brings out

:52:49.:52:54.

the best in every child and live livelihoods.

:52:55.:52:57.

What do you think of this - this criticism of the ANC they are not

:52:58.:53:03.

delivering what Nelson Mandela intended should be delivered? First

:53:04.:53:07.

of all, Nelson Mandela himself was an advocate of the community or a

:53:08.:53:14.

nation that calls on the Government to account. And the good thing about

:53:15.:53:19.

the ANC is that it lives with the people. Even if the leadership might

:53:20.:53:24.

seem to be distant from the people at times, but they understand what

:53:25.:53:28.

the needs of the people are. They always come up with a strategy. It

:53:29.:53:34.

is different from serving the needs of the people - providing education,

:53:35.:53:39.

finding a way of providing jobs. Not allowing people, the poor to get

:53:40.:53:43.

poorer and the rich, richer, isn't it? That is why again on a regular

:53:44.:53:48.

basis it is policies that address the conditions that obtain - it is

:53:49.:53:53.

in a position at all times to come up with these strategies that are

:53:54.:53:58.

going to address... . And you are content with the way things are

:53:59.:54:02.

going in this country? We could do better, could do more. And the good

:54:03.:54:06.

thing again is we have this constitution, which guarantees

:54:07.:54:13.

freedom of expression. Everybody, therefore, is in a position...

:54:14.:54:18.

People can say what they like, but PJ Powers, you see it as it has

:54:19.:54:25.

developed since the first universal elections. What do you make of it?

:54:26.:54:30.

The footage you have shown is the fun mental difference between Nelson

:54:31.:54:35.

Mandela and the politicians that are -- the funt mental differences

:54:36.:54:39.

between Nelson Mandela and the politicians.

:54:40.:54:43.

I think also what is so incredibly amazing about Nelson Mandela is he

:54:44.:54:48.

always did the unexpected. You know, in 1995, with the World Cup rugby,

:54:49.:54:53.

he walked into enemy territory, basically. He was surrounded with

:54:54.:54:59.

people saying, "Nelson. Nelson." He came out of prison and had tea. He

:55:00.:55:08.

went into areas where he crossed barriers. That is the pam

:55:09.:55:12.

approximate he has set us -- that is the example he has set us. If we

:55:13.:55:16.

deliver on those examples, where we are accountable for the actions and

:55:17.:55:26.

we say, yes, we did wrong, that is the fundamental difference. Has he

:55:27.:55:33.

reconciled Afrikaans English? You say, no.

:55:34.:55:49.

Part of the architect's team says to ordinary people, that if you do not

:55:50.:55:58.

vote for the ANC they will come back and dominate us. That is a said

:55:59.:56:04.

statement from someone who ought to know better. To for me, the Long

:56:05.:56:11.

Walk To Freedom is not yet over. The responsibility we have today and the

:56:12.:56:17.

commitment we ought to make, as we lay this great son of Africa to

:56:18.:56:23.

rest, is to commit to living the dream he worked so hard for. And

:56:24.:56:31.

that starts with a Government that, not only does policies, but that is

:56:32.:56:38.

clean, because corruption is what has stolen the future of many South

:56:39.:56:46.

Africans. And a Government that is competent and accountable, as PJ

:56:47.:56:51.

said. Let's just for a moment look ahead to the next days of mourning.

:56:52.:56:56.

What will happen tomorrow, do you think? You are going to be at the

:56:57.:57:01.

funeral. You are singing? I am singing in Qunu. And there'll be

:57:02.:57:06.

choirs... Yes. What do you think the mood will be? The mood here at the

:57:07.:57:11.

Union Buildings will be a lot more sombre than today. What do you think

:57:12.:57:16.

it will be like? It should be sombre, mostly because the people

:57:17.:57:20.

will be viewing the body of Madiba, lying, not speaking, not to speak

:57:21.:57:25.

any more. And that, meaning therefore, that is the end of Madiba

:57:26.:57:30.

and we are only left with the legacy that he left us. His family will be

:57:31.:57:35.

there, won't they, to receive the body - is that right? Here, lying in

:57:36.:57:41.

state? I am not sure. I imagine there'll always be family members

:57:42.:57:45.

who are there, even if he will be in the care of the military. What do

:57:46.:57:50.

you expect to see? You'll be with us, I hope, tomorrow? It will be a

:57:51.:57:55.

sombre day and viewing the body of a loved one is the hardest thing.

:57:56.:58:02.

And for those of us who are close to him in more personal ways, it is

:58:03.:58:11.

something that always touches you in a very fundamental way. Thank you

:58:12.:58:14.

very much. I thank all three of you very much. That ends this look at

:58:15.:58:18.

today's events here in South Africa. We will be back at 5 5am tomorrow,

:58:19.:58:26.

did I say that really, on BBC Two, to watch the procession to the Union

:58:27.:58:33.

Buildings, high up on the hill behind us. I hope you will join us.

:58:34.:58:39.

Until then, good evening.

:58:40.:58:43.

Edited coverage of the memorial service at the FNB Stadium, Johannesburg, paying tribute to the late Nelson Mandela. Thousands of people, including heads of state from around the world, will attend the service for the former president of South Africa.


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