Edited Coverage Nelson Mandela: A Nation Remembers

Nelson Mandela achieved what many people believed to be the

impossible, to deliver from the violence and chaos from a country

living with tensions, both between races and within the black

community, a country that did not tear itself apart, but embarked on a

new life as a democracy. That triumph made him a figure admired

throughout the world, admired for his courage, his resoluteness and

his magnanimity in victory. He offered the world a vision that

sometimes life can turn out for the better and that to believe that is

the right way to live. It's the inspiration that brought thousands

of South Africans to Johannesburg today for the national memorial

event in the huge football stadium just outside Soweto, that sprawling

black township where Mandela spent most of his adult life until he was

imprisoned for over 27 years when just 44 years old. Rain in South

Africa, particularly at a funeral, is considered to be a blessing from

God. It may have meant the stadium wasn't completely full today. Inside

the stadium, before the service started, a choir of voices sang in

praise of the man they call Madiba or Tata - Father. There were a host

of famous faces here, nearly 100 heads of state, heads of government,

President Obama, the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, Tony Blair,

distinguished figure of one man who was on Robben Island with Nelson

Mandela. His lawyer at the trials. FW de Klerk, the former President of

South Africa. And the familiar figure of Desmond Tutu and then

Winnie Mandela, his second wife. So, here we are sat in the dark in

Pretoria. Behind us, the wonderful view of the Union Buildings where,

tomorrow, Nelson Mandela's body will lie in state for the ordinary people

of South Africa to pay tribute. I have three guests with me in the

studio, all of whom - you were all there today, weren't you? Yes. Let

me introduce them. On my left, the partner of Steve Beco. In February

of this year, she started a new political party, to chivvy the ANC.

Next to her, a man who was deeply involved in the traditional element

in the services that take place at the weekend, but is also an ANC MP

in Parliament. Then, a woman who is very popular among the black

community for the courage she showed during the apartheid years. You were

banned from singing some of your hymns? I was banned on my return

after performing on the frontline. What happened if you were a banned

person under apartheid? As a singer, it was a bit of a dud for me. I

wasn't allowed to be heard on radio, or on television. Nothing. I was

silenced. How did you know Mandela? What do you remember of him? Like

everybody who grew up in South Africa, I heard about him. I read

about him. It so happened on the day when I was celebrating my

graduation, at home, I got a surprise telegram coming from Robben

Island with Madiba congratulating me for having achieved... Because he

knew your family? He did know my family. My grandfather - actually,

my father and his sister, one of his sisters, grew up with him. You, of

course, have endlessly been described as Steve's partner. He

died in police custody. Have you been a supporter of the ANC, has

that been your position, politically? My position,

politically, has always been that of an active citizen, an activist

student and later an active professional. I never belonged to

any political party and the ANC's association is merely because I'm

very close to many people who are members of the ANC. Of course, I was

very close to Mr Mandela. We are going to... I never carried a card

for the ANC. You were there today. What did you make of it? We are

going to see some scenes in a moment. What did you think of it? It

made me realise that with great leadership, this country can come

together. That's what Madiba did today. For me, even upon his death,

we were privy to a country coming together under extreme

circumstances, extreme weather. It's just the wonderment of this man that

manages again and again to pull us together. This - let's have a look

at the stadium where today's memorial was held. It's become an

iconic location. It did have a particular meaning for Nelson

Mandela himself. The FNB Stadium was opened in 1989. Less than a year

later, huge crowds came here to welcome Mandela home two days after

he was set free. No football game in South Africa ever drew crowds like

these. 48 hours after Nelson Mandela's release, finally the

prospect of seeing their hero on home ground. My return to Soweto

fills my heart with joy. Africa! Africa! Mandela came back in 1993

for two painful events - the funeral of his ANC friend Oliver Tambo and

of Chris Hani, the leader of the ANC's military wing, who had been

murdered. We want an election date now. The following year with Mandela

President, the FNB Stadium was host to the African Cup of Nations. South

Africa reached the final and with only 17 minutes left before the

whistle, Mark Williams scored two goals in two minutes. The victory

proved euphoric. One of the unifying moments in a country obsessed with

sport. South Africans of all races celebrated their nation's triumph.

In 2010, the stadium was completely rebuilt for the World Cup, played

here in South Africa. It was seen as the symbol of a revitalised nation.

The closing ceremony of the World Cup, just three years ago, saw

Mandela's last official public appearance. We will hear some of the

speeches that were made this morning there. It does seem to me there is a

lot of - there are obvious things that were said about Mandela, about

his charm, about his courage. People don't so often talk about his

political astuteness. He seems to me to have been extremely clever and

cunning in his politics? Would you agree with that? Absolutely. He was

a studied strategist of political engagement. He cultivated that

during his imprisonment. He read every book that was to be read about

the Afrikaans people. He read many biographies and he got to know each

and every one of the people that he engaged. So when he talked to his

jailors, he talked to them as fellow South Africans. When do you think it

dawned on them that the Afrikaaner needed him as much as he needed

them? What he did realise was the only way you could break an impasse

was for you who stand to gain more from the breaking of the impasse to

be willing to see the opportunities for compromise. You are asking

people who are in power to share that power and you come from the

outside and, therefore, you are the one who has to be willing to

compromise but do so in a way that takes the collective much further.

Hence his discussions with the ANC when he began talks with the

government saying to them, "We must make the first step to talk to them.

It is ridiculous not to." Them in the end coming around to agree to

that. The point is that he did not get agreement to talk to the other

side, which is one of the reasons why he asked to be put in solitary

confinement because he understood the importance of the moment. That

was the moment to talk. His peers and his comrades were not ready. He

decided to lead from the front. None of them stopped him, it has to be

said. Let's go - we will come back to this - the memorial service. It

began with the singing of the National Anthem. "God Save Africa."

# Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika. # Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo.

# Yizwa imithandazo yethu. # Nkosi sikelela, thina lusapho

lwayo. # Morena boloka setjhaba sa heso.

# O fedise dintwa la matshwenyeho. # O se boloke, O se boloke setjhaba

sa heso. # Setjhaba sa South Afrika - South

Afrika. On behalf of the President, I

welcome all of you who have travelled from all corners of the

world. I also extend warm words of welcome to our friends from all over

the world and let us give Nelson Mandela's friends, as well as the

friends of South Africa from all over the world, a round of South

African warm welcome and say thank you for coming.

We were not able to stop the rain. But this is how Nelson Mandela would

have wanted to be sent off. These are blessings in our African

tradition. When it rains when you are buried, it means that your Gods

are welcoming you and the gates of heaven are most probably open as

well. This occasion should make all of us

to pause today and reflect on the life of Nelson Mandela. Today's

memorial service should hopefully give each one of us together our

memories of Nelson Mandela and on Sunday, we will bid him farewell in

Qunu when we lay him to rest knowing that our memories of him will endure

forever. I would like us now to do what he would have wanted us to do -

that is to open this memorial service with an interfaith opening

prayer. The prayers came from Chief Rabbi

Warren Goldstein, a representative of the Muslim faith and the

archbishop. In whose hands are the souls of the living and the dead,

receive we beseech you in your great loving kindness the soul of Nelson

Rolihlahla Mandela who has been gathered unto his people. Remember

him for the righteousness which he has done. Your sun shall never more

set, for the Lord God shall be your everlasting light and the days of

your mourning shall be ended and let us say amen.

Oh, supreme Lord. Lead us from untruth to truth.

Like our father Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela. Lead us from darkness to

light, like our father, Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela. Lead us from

death to immortality, like our father, Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela.

May he rest in peace. Amen. Our indebtedness to Madiba for his

self--less efforts, in salvaging the nation and leading it to the path of

peace, reconciliation and harmony. And laying the foundation of a free

and prosperous South Africa. With this prayer, we ask, let us

dedicate ourselves to the good ideals he strove to in his life.

Amen. Creator, God, Lord of life and love,

you hold the whole yun verse in your hands. Hell -- universe in your

hands. Help us to draw on the lessons of our past and to build on

the firm foundation that by your grace Madiba laid for us, give us

courage to hold fast to his values, to follow the example of his

practises and to share them with the world.

May he rest in peace and rise in glory.

Amen. # Da-da Madiba

Nelson Mandela The national chair of the ANC, the

African national Congress, who is cochairing this memorial event.

We are here to mourn the great man, but also to celebrate a glorious

life well lived. Today, more than any other is thankfulness for that

wonderful life. A son of Africa Africa. A descendant of a great

king. You will always be remembered. We are now going to call upon

Madiba's grandchildren. Madiba had 18 grandchildren and 12 great

grandchildren. We are going to call them, who are going to come and pay

tribute to their grandfather and great grandfather. I call them to

come to the stage to come and express their tributes to their

grandfather. On behalf of the family I would like

to thank all the heads of state that are here. Thank you. Madiba, the

last walk. Struck by lightning bolts in the dead of night, day dazed and

dis or disorientated, struggling to bid farewell to any mortal, caught

in the whirl wind. What do I do? I need a poem. When sadness and

celebrations can mingle, the body shudders, shakes and implodes. When

it blows in memories, the land is dreamt off. You are lodged in our

memories. You tower over the world like a Comet. Leaving streaks of

light for us to follow. We salute you. Madiba.

Who stole the fire from the Gods. The light to light our path to

freedom. Who lit our stoves to cook a meal of

peace and reconciliation. The giant tree has fallen, scattering one

million bright leafs, each messages of peace of love and reconciliation.

Shall we walk in his footstep footsteps? . Madiba, they say, you

are a brilliant man. They say you are a wise man. You

remind them of a wise man too. They say you have warmth and charm.

Warm and charming too. They say you are resilient. You are a mirror that

reflects the glory and splendour of heart. People reflect this dreams.

You have taught us that. A group of trees break the angry wind. The tree

that towers above the rest is broken by the wind. Proud of dreams of a

future where black and white, rich and poor, men, women and children

must live side by side. Dreaming the same dream. Realising that the time

in our land, we salute you. They were very moving, weren't they,

the grandchildren. That very last. PJ Powers, we saw you in there,

singing the choir. What were you singing? We were sing singing Nelson

Mandela. Let's see it. There you are, in the

middle there. You wrote some songs for these

events. Have you got some songs, your famous songs. You sang at the

World Cup. Yes, I did. That is a song that has been sung at all the

Rugby World Cups. It was a hymn. I did it at the 1995 World Cup. What

did you think of today? What did you make of it? It with us a wonderful

celebration. It was a send-off, as I said earlier, this man who brought

everybody together. That is how it happened Oman Mandela is and will

remain -- is how it happened. Nelson Mandela is and will remain the

greatest thing this country will ever see. What did you make of

today? I realised that Mandela is the unifier.

The whole world was here in South Africa.

You were touched by the number of people who came? The number of

foreign dignitaries. Did you not expect that? I did expect South

Africans would come in their numbers. I did not expect the heads

of state and Government would come in the numbers they did. Countries

that I wouldn't have thought that had a lot of dealings with South

Africa. What do you think brought them here?

Mandela. They had to be here to represent their countries. It looks

like to me, everybody would like to be like Mandela. Anyone who is a

leader of a community of people, a nation, and if they can't, at least

they must be associated with Mandela. And he inspires them in

various ways. Not all of them are able, or none of them are able to

emulate him as much as they would like to, but he is an example that

everybody would like to be associated with. Do you think a new

generation will draw inspiration from Mandela's life. What would you

want them to learn from it? Mandela touches that inside ourselves, that

wants us to be bigger. And I have seen it with young

people. Even young children, having just touched him, having just been

touched by him. Already, so in terms of their

possibilities. And that, I think, is what is amazing about his legacy.

He's legacy calls us to greatness. At every point, because the way he

related to people, he made himself present in the moment that he talks

to you. However young, however old, however poor, however rich, he was

present in the moment. And of course, his example of

servant leadership, a man who gave of himself, in order to serve, not

in a subservient way, but in a way that says, this is what leadership

is about. This is what is possible if we work

together. And so, I believe that today we were

celebrate celebrating the greatness of, not just the man, but the

greatness of what he has inspired in us. And in our country and in the

world. The African National Congress

organised today. You represent also traditional leaders and you are

going to play a special part in the ceremony? As part of the collective

of tragsal leadership in the area. -- traditional leadership in the

area. Being the old original law-giving law-makers. The original

rulers of South Africa. We have heard of things like speaking to the

body and particularly - what actually happens? What will we see

happen? Well, we believe that a person even as he is dead continues

to live through his spirit. So, therefore that is why it is

important that when he is to be moved from one place to the other

that someone has to speak to him. To speak to his spirit, to tell him

this is where we are moving from now, this is where we're going to.

So his spirit does not wander about. It must be together with the body

until the final resting place. So that it become becomes part of the

family - the guardian of the home steed, where he lies to rest. What

is the relationship between traditional leadership and the more

political leadership of the ANC, in your view? I believe South Africa

has strived to do and is still striving to do is to have a place in

our constitutional democracy for traditional leadership. And this is

important because there is a sense in which the evolution of

traditional leadership in South Africa was interrupted by

colonialism. So, the process of bring bringing into modernity those

cultural customary practises has to be enacted in a way that is within

the spirit of a human rights-based constitution. That is the genius of

Madiba, in that he recognised the importance of traditional

leadership. But also recognised the contradictions that are likely to

arise. And, as a lawyer, and as a human rights principled man, he

always made sure that when there is a contradiction, the constitution

must rule. You as, not belonging to that side of South African culture,

are you surprised by that? Do you find a conflict between the modern

politician and the traditional, well you were there dancing and singing

in the traditional style - is it surprising to you, is it natural to

you? I believe the two can co-habit.

There is a place. I cherish the modern side that plans the way

forward. We will see a singer in a moment, I hope. Let's watch a bit

more of what went on this morning. I suppose the highlight of the day for

many was the speech by the American President, Barack Obama. But other

speeches and music before that. Here, for instance, is the

Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon. Nelson Mandela

showed us the way with a heart larger than this stadium and an

infectious smile that could light up the world. Nelson Mandela is at

rest. His long walk complete. Let us now be inspired by the spirit he

awoken in all of us. It is a duty of all of us who loved him to keep his

memory alive, in our hearts and to embody his example in our lives. May

he rest in peace and eternity. # Can reach down and bless our

hearts # From his heaven above... #

To the people of South Africa - people of every race and walk of

life - the world thanks you for sharing Nelson Mandela with us. It

is hard to eulogise any man - to capture in words not just the facts

and the dates that make a life, but the essential truth of a person -

their private joys and sorrows; the quiet moments and unique qualities

that illuminate someone's soul. How much harder to do so for a giant of

history, who moved a nation toward justice, and in the process moved

billions around the world. We see a man who earned his place in history

through struggle and shrewdness and persistence and faith. He tells us

what is possible, not just in the pages of history books, but in our

own lives as well. Moreover, he accepted the consequences of his

actions, knowing that standing up to powerful interests and injustice

carries a price. "I have fought against white domination and I have

fought against black domination. I've cherished the ideal of a

democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony

and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for

and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared

to die." There is a word in South Africa - Ubuntu - a word that

captures Mandela's greatest gift: his recognition that we are all

bound together in ways that are invisible to the eye; that there is

a oneness to humanity; that we achieve ourselves by sharing

ourselves with others, and caring for those around us. We will never

see the likes of Nelson Mandela again. May God bless the people of

South Africa. Can I just remind the people sitting up there that we will

wait until you have finished? Can we keep silent, please? Right up there.

We do not call Madiba the father of our nation, merely for political

correctness or relevance: We do so because he laid a firm foundation

for the South Africa of our dreams - one that is united, non-racial,

non-sexist, democratic and prosperous. We do so because Madiba

was a courageous leader. Courageous leaders are able to abandon their

narrow concerns for bigger and all-embracing dreams, even if those

dreams come at a huge price. Madiba embodied this trait. He was a

fearless freedom fighter who refused to allow the brutality of the

apartheid state to stand in the way of the struggle for the liberation

of his people. Our Father, Madiba, has run a good race. He declared in

his own words, in 1994, he said, "Death is something inevitable. When

a man has done what he considers to be his duty to his people and his

country, he can rest in peace. I believe I've made that effort and

that is, therefore, why I will sleep for eternity." Rest in peace, Our

Father, and our hero. Thank you very much.

We promise God, you must say "yes". We promise God that we are going to

follow the example of Nelson Mandela. Yes!

STUDIO: A robust blessing given by Desmond Tutu. He said he wouldn't

give the blessing unless there was silence, so he could hear a pin

drop. Then the dignitaries and the crowd left. Winnie Mandela in the

middle. There were four British Prime Ministers here today for this

memorial. Sir John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David

Cameron, who I spoke to here about his reaction to the events he had

witnessed. You have come from the stadium. What

was it like in there? It was more like a celebration than a

commemoration, a music, dance, people swaying - it was

extraordinary. I thought the highlight was the Obama speech,

where it was very, very powerful and really roused the crowd. It made

everyone look inwards and think, "What more can I do to honour the

memory of this great man?" You didn't get to speak at all? I wasn't

coming to speak, I was coming to pay my respects. That was a wonderful

thing to be able to do. You felt very proud to be there. Also, an

extraordinary opportunity to meet quite so many other heads of state

and government, the sort of diplomatic argy-bargy was

interesting in itself. Tell us about that. It is quite odd to find four

American presidents all in one place. In fact, Carter, Clinton,

Bush, Obama. That is an interesting start. Then a lot of African

leaders, who I have met before, I was able to talk to. I could

commiserate with Francois Hollande about his losses in the Central

African Republic. Then a wide range of people from the President of

Mexico to the Prime Minister of India. Raul Castro, did you shake

his hand? I didn't. I didn't meet him, actually. I managed to not meet

Robert Mugabe. Other than that, I did meet a lot of people. How did

you manage not to meet Robert Mugabe? I can't think. Deft hands!

There are some African leaders I admire. The President of Botswana is

doing a fantastic job. Yes. There are people who are doing great

things for their countries. Do you really have a chance to say anything

meaningful? You are there for quite a long time. Yes, you do. There are

always - our Foreign Office is very good at making the most of all your

contacts. There's this wonderful thing on some of their notes that

says, "Perhaps best not to talk to you, but if you do, this is the

point you ought to make." You do have a chance. You have cue cards

like Ronald Reagan used to have? Britain is - we are competing in a

global race. We want to have relationships, engagements across

the world. In Africa, you have some of the fastest-growing economies

right now. Getting Britain more involved in South Africa, Nigeria,

Botswana, Mozambique, this is a very important part of our country. It is

not appropriate to do too much of that during a massive commemoration

like today. These relationships matter. I spend a lot of time on

them. You have been critical of the Conservative Party's attitude

towards apartheid. Do you think Mrs Thatcher and that period allowed

apartheid to go on longer than it otherwise would have done? Mrs

Thatcher was an opponent of apartheid. She wanted Nelson Mandela

freed and letters have been released to prove that. There was the

question of the attitude towards sanctions, which I have spoken about

in the past. I think we should be clear that all political parties in

Britain were opposed to apartheid. I remember seeing for myself what an

appalling system it was. What were the mistakes that the Conservative

Party made? I wrote about this in 2006. There was an argument there.

There is always an argument with sanctions. Does it hit the

government? Or does it hit the people? On all sides of politics,

everyone wanted to see change in South Africa. I don't think anyone

believed in their heart of hearts that it really would happen as

peacefully as it did. That was the most wonderful thing about it.

Mandela leaving prison and then this immense political change also made

possible - we should remember this - and he was there today in the seats

with all the world leaders - FW de Klerk who himself was awarded the

Nobel Peace Prize and who helped make this extraordinary change

possible. Just on a political point what, do you think for a politician

is the lesson that Mandela taught? I think the biggest lesson is this

immense generosity and this boldness - this sense that you should do the

right thing. When you think of how bitter Mandela could have been, when

you think of the leadership he could have given in a more sectional

direction. The fact he choose openness, he choose to forgive his

former captors andor mentors and wanted to create an open and

generous South Africa, I think that is an immense political lesson. That

was the best part, for me of the whole day was Obama saying, there

are those who hold up Madiba as an icon, but don't always follow his

lessons about tolerance, not imprisoning your political

opponents. I thought that was a great moment. I thought a very

powerful point that perhaps only Obama could have made in that way,

at that time, in front of all those people. Prime Minister, thank you

very much. Thank you for joining us. David Cameron, who was here earlier.

Now the mourning lasts several days. Tomorrow, something quite different.

Tomorrow, the commemoration moves from the football stadium in Soweto,

here to Pretoria, the capital of South Africa.

For three days Nelson Mandela's body will lie here in state for the

ordinary people of South Africa to file past. These are the Union

Buildings - the headquarters of the presidency and the Government. It

was here that just under 20 years ago we watched Nelson Mandela, up

there on the platform, taking the oath as President, surrounded by all

of the people who opposed him - the General, the chiefs of police, the

nationalist politician, as he became President of South Africa. There was

that great moment when the jets from the South African Air Force streamed

past, flying coloured smoke in the colours of the South African flag.

Tomorrow will be a much more sombre affair, of course. The coffin will

be brought from the military hospital, down there in Pretoria,

will wind up through these gardens to this central platform here. It is

here that people will file past. And each day, for three days, that

coffin is going to be brought from the hospital, to be taken back at

night and then once again to go through the streets. No doubt the

scenes will be very moving. There's another building that is

just as important to the Mandela story here in downtown Pretoria -

the Palace of Justice, on Church Square. It is here where Mandela was

put on trial for plotting violent revolution on 9th October, 1963.

He expected the death penalty, but received a life sentence, to a

hugely relieved public gallery. The 27 years he spent in jail changed

him, as he explained to me when I met him.

Before I went to jail I was very arrogant. And there is evidence of

that. But you know, when I was in jail, I

had something I did not have outside - the ability to sit down and just

think. To review your past life and the future role you have to play. I

became ashamed, because I'd behaved like an animal, to people who were

very kind to me. And I decided that if ever I got a chance, I will make

them appreciate what they did to me. They would know that I appreciated.

In just a few hours, these streets will be blocked off and the solemn

funeral procession will make its way. Another step on South Africa's

long goodbye to Nelson Mandela. The man they call Madiba.

And here we are with the Union Buildings behind us. We will be

there early tomorrow for the funeral procession. Let's use these last

moments to talk about what happens next. Everybody has expressed their

view about what Mandela gave South Africa. The question now is, South

Africa clearly has problems - how is that legacy going to be turned, do

you think, into policies that keep the country united? You have started

a new political party because you don't like what the ANC are doing.

I believe that Mandela's passing gives us another opportunity. A

second chance to re-commit to the values that he lived and worked so

hard for. Which the African National Congress have moved away from that?

I believe that there is a big gap between what leaders in the African

National Congress say and what they do. The issue of human dignity

cannot be set to be met with the kind of conditions under which the

majority of South Africans still live. You speak of poverty and no

electricity and no education and no jobs, indeed. The most important gap

is education, which Mandela himself said, education is the key to the

future. What the ANC has failed to do over the last 20 years is to

provide every child with an education that will awaken the

genius. Instead, we have young people graduating from high school

who can't read, can't write and end up in our streets. Four million of

them are out there. What is to be down? Your party? Let's build a

South Africa of our dreams. A South Africa which will encapsulate this

dream and the focus has to be on quality education that brings out

the best in every child and live livelihoods.

What do you think of this - this criticism of the ANC they are not

delivering what Nelson Mandela intended should be delivered? First

of all, Nelson Mandela himself was an advocate of the community or a

nation that calls on the Government to account. And the good thing about

the ANC is that it lives with the people. Even if the leadership might

seem to be distant from the people at times, but they understand what

the needs of the people are. They always come up with a strategy. It

is different from serving the needs of the people - providing education,

finding a way of providing jobs. Not allowing people, the poor to get

poorer and the rich, richer, isn't it? That is why again on a regular

basis it is policies that address the conditions that obtain - it is

in a position at all times to come up with these strategies that are

going to address... . And you are content with the way things are

going in this country? We could do better, could do more. And the good

thing again is we have this constitution, which guarantees

freedom of expression. Everybody, therefore, is in a position...

People can say what they like, but PJ Powers, you see it as it has

developed since the first universal elections. What do you make of it?

The footage you have shown is the fun mental difference between Nelson

Mandela and the politicians that are -- the funt mental differences

between Nelson Mandela and the politicians.

I think also what is so incredibly amazing about Nelson Mandela is he

always did the unexpected. You know, in 1995, with the World Cup rugby,

he walked into enemy territory, basically. He was surrounded with

people saying, "Nelson. Nelson." He came out of prison and had tea. He

went into areas where he crossed barriers. That is the pam

approximate he has set us -- that is the example he has set us. If we

deliver on those examples, where we are accountable for the actions and

we say, yes, we did wrong, that is the fundamental difference. Has he

reconciled Afrikaans English? You say, no.

Part of the architect's team says to ordinary people, that if you do not

vote for the ANC they will come back and dominate us. That is a said

statement from someone who ought to know better. To for me, the Long

Walk To Freedom is not yet over. The responsibility we have today and the

commitment we ought to make, as we lay this great son of Africa to

rest, is to commit to living the dream he worked so hard for. And

that starts with a Government that, not only does policies, but that is

clean, because corruption is what has stolen the future of many South

Africans. And a Government that is competent and accountable, as PJ

said. Let's just for a moment look ahead to the next days of mourning.

What will happen tomorrow, do you think? You are going to be at the

funeral. You are singing? I am singing in Qunu. And there'll be

choirs... Yes. What do you think the mood will be? The mood here at the

Union Buildings will be a lot more sombre than today. What do you think

it will be like? It should be sombre, mostly because the people

will be viewing the body of Madiba, lying, not speaking, not to speak

any more. And that, meaning therefore, that is the end of Madiba

and we are only left with the legacy that he left us. His family will be

there, won't they, to receive the body - is that right? Here, lying in

state? I am not sure. I imagine there'll always be family members

who are there, even if he will be in the care of the military. What do

you expect to see? You'll be with us, I hope, tomorrow? It will be a

sombre day and viewing the body of a loved one is the hardest thing.

And for those of us who are close to him in more personal ways, it is

something that always touches you in a very fundamental way. Thank you

very much. I thank all three of you very much. That ends this look at

today's events here in South Africa. We will be back at 5 5am tomorrow,

did I say that really, on BBC Two, to watch the procession to the Union

Buildings, high up on the hill behind us. I hope you will join us.

Until then, good evening.