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Between now and June the 8th, I'm going to be travelling | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
the country trying to see how different groups of voters | 0:00:07 | 0:00:13 | |
are making up their minds who to support in the general election. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
First stop, this pub in Halifax, where we're talking | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
to people who voted Leave in the EU referendum. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Working-class voters here. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
Many of them would have had a traditional link | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
to the Labour Party, some, maybe have defected to Ukip, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
others may be considering the jump all the way to supporting | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
the Conservative Party. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:37 | |
Now, we've recruited this group of voters with the help | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
of the opinion pollsters Ipsos Mori, and we want to try to get some | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
answers to my questions. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
Let's go in for the first of my election takeaways. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:56 | |
We're here above a pub in Halifax. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
It may look a bit like a church because this is no ordinary pub. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
This is actually the place where the Halifax Building | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Society was founded, hence the oak panels | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
and the stained-glass windows, and we're here to talk | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
about politics and have a bit of a curry. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
I just want to get a sense of people here. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
When you're thinking about how to vote in this election, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:26 | |
how big a factor, if any - it may not be at all - | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
is that Brexit decision? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
Is that going to affect how you vote or is it over? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
No, it's not over. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
It's going to affect how I vote , because I voted to come out. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
I think the Conservatives will definitely go down the Brexit route. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Yes? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:46 | |
I think, if Labour get in there's a possibility | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
they will try for another referendum and change at all. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
So you're a bit nervous, John. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
A little bit, yes. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
It's not over as far as you're concerned? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
No, not yet, no. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
To me it's only just starting, really. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
I think it is over. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
OK? | 0:01:59 | 0:02:00 | |
I think even if Labour get in and call for another referendum, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
I think the public will vote exactly the same way again. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
I think the vote would still go the same way so it doesn't worry me. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
John is a bit worried that if the wrong party gets in now, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
maybe it will all start again. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
Do you think so? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
No, no. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
So you can vote for who you like in the election, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
you don't have to worry about... | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
No, and I think even if there was another referendum, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
I think the public would vote exactly the same way, I don't think | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
it would alter the decision. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:31 | |
Tony, yeah? | 0:02:31 | 0:02:32 | |
I totally agree. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:33 | |
I think the public feel a bit cheated, to tell | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
you the truth, if anything. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
It's almost like saying to your kid, do your school day, school | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
sports day, you come last, it's all about taking part. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
No, it's not, it's about winning, there's got to be a winner, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
there's got to be a loser. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:46 | |
And when it's done it's done? | 0:02:46 | 0:02:47 | |
And when it's done it's done, yes, exactly. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
You know, they're dragging their heels, aren't they? | 0:02:49 | 0:02:56 | |
Who's "they"? | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
Theresa May. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:58 | |
She's dragging her heels? | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
I think she's dragging her heels. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:00 | |
I don't think her heart is in leaving Brexit, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
and I think all them sat on the bench going, "Oooh," | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
like that, I just think there... | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
How can I put it? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:16 | |
I'll believe it when I see it. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
It's not concrete and it's not set in stone. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
And I believe in black or white, in the sense of, you know, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
don't go round the houses. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
And you see, there's a big north and south divide, you know? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
You people down south - I don't mean you, Nick, but... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
You know... | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
Phew! | 0:03:35 | 0:03:41 | |
You're working-class, we don't live in fancy houses, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
million pound houses and half ?1 million houses. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:53 | |
That's interesting. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
You think the worry is that people who do have the money... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
Yes. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
You think that Europe will... | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
They think about themselves, money, money, money, money. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
You think they want to overturn the referendum? | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
Yes, I do. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
I just... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
I think the public, we have spoken, we've said what we want, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
and I think even if, like I said, another | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
referendum was called, it would go exactly | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
the same way. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
There is so many people that want out, and like Tracy said, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
I think it is the people with money that benefit from staying in. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
But what Tracy is saying to you is, the rich people, they'll turn | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
this around if they can, they'll find a way. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
No. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:25 | |
You don't think so? | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
No. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:27 | |
I wonder what the future of Ukip is if we are going to be out... | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
Well, we're going to be out, so... | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
They lost really badly in the local elections. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
Yes. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
Do you care? | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
I don't know. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
Let me let you into a secret. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
You all voted Leave, that's why you're here. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
We chose you because you were Leave voters. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
And you want to know why we voted Leave? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
No, we want to know whether that affects how you will | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
vote in the election. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
For you, not? | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
No. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
I'll tell you how it works. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
It's what we get out of it, us working class people get out of it. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:12 | |
And at the moment we're not getting anything. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
Yes, that's the only thing swaying my vote | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
is what policies are in place, what are they going | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
to do with the NHS, what are they going to do | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
with housing, disabled services. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
It's things like that. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
That's more important? | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
That's far more important, yes. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
Do you agree? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
Because I work in the public sector, I see it hands on, every day. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
I see the impact it has on families, young people... | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
Did anybody vote Ukip before? | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
Almost. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:42 | |
Almost? | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
Yes. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
It was down to the wire, wasn't it, you know? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:50 | |
There were just one or two things that didn't sit right with me. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
But did you get... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
How far did you get, were you there with the ballot | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
paper and your pencil...? | 0:05:57 | 0:05:57 | |
I got to the front door, put it that way. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
Really? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
Yes, it was that close, and it was literally | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
a three-minute mindset change. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:04 | |
I just thought... | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
I had to give my head a bit of a wobble. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
Anybody else get close? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:10 | |
No. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:11 | |
No. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
Didn't feel right for you? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
No. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
No? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
Well, I'm seriously thinking of voting Ukip this time. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
This time, but you haven't before? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
No. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:19 | |
That's interesting. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
Yes. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
So somebody's got to negotiate this deal. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
What sort of qualities do we need to see in the person | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
negotiating the deal? | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
Let's just throw out some words, what sort of words? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
Somebody who is strong. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
Strong. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
Who's going to try and get the best deal for Britain when we come out, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
and who's not going to take the 85 billion euros | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
bill they throw at us. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
Kerry? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
Confident. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
Confident? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
Not easily led. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
Nicola? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
Trustworthy. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
Strong. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
That's a good one. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:52 | |
When they make a decision they have to stay there. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
Yes. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
You said trustworthy, as well. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:57 | |
Yes, he said confident but then when you said | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
trustworthy, that's a good one. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:00 | |
Nigel Farage. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Farage? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:03 | |
Yes, well he's staying in Europe, isn't he, to make sure we get | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
a decent deal when we come out. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Do you wish he was in their... | 0:07:10 | 0:07:20 | |
Do you wish he was in there? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
While he stays there, giving them what for, yes. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
So you'd vote for Ukip, then? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
Possibly not vote for Ukip. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
I think Farage is OK, and I think he wants | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
what's best for Britain. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
I think we need somebody that doesn't exist at the moment. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Somebody that's got a bit of backbone, somebody who's not | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
frightened to say what they want and to say the people | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
frightened to say what they want and to say what the people | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
are believing in, and... | 0:07:43 | 0:07:44 | |
You know, not getting all excited and overly upset | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
about upsetting the PC people, you know? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Politically correct? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Yes. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
There's too much of it at the moment, so we need | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
somebody that's a realist, somebody that's going to listen | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
to the people and take what the people have spoken. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:04 | |
Somebody who understands the needs of somebody | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
from a working-class background, not somebody born with a silver | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
spoon in their mouth. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
I don't think there's anybody at the moment. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
They don't exist. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
It has to be practical, like I said to you. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
They don't come out, practically, and give | 0:08:17 | 0:08:23 | |
people what they need, actually, they just randomly check | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
you or go on the paper, this is what people say, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
but they don't go out, basically. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
A practical person, I would say that is the person. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
So not someone who talks too much, somebody who's got a plan? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
A plan and practical. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
Are there no leading politicians in Britain who speak | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
for the working class? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
Jeremy Corbyn. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
He does? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
He does, yes. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
Yes, he's definitely the most down to earth, the most... | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
The biggest realist out of them all, I think, and probably the most | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
trustworthy out of them all. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
I wouldn't trust any of them in particular, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
but I think he comes across as the most trustworthy one. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
He gets slated a lot, doesn't he? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
He does, but he takes it, though, and he just | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
carries on and carries on. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
Anybody else like Jeremy Corbyn? | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
No? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
Not sure? | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
Just me, on my own! | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
Nobody said Theresa May? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
I tell you now, I voted Labour the past few times, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
but I honestly don't know if I will vote Labour | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
again this time. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
Why? | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
They just seem like they're doing round turns on themselves. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
A lot of in-house arguing, can't seem to get their own house | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
in order, and if that's the state of their house, well, I don't want | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
them coming to my house, sorry! | 0:09:37 | 0:09:38 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
I'm the same, to be honest, I'm undecided, I don't know | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
which way I'm going to go. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
I have voted Labour the last couple of times, but... | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
What's making you hesitate? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:55 | |
Theresa May. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
She annoys me a bit, but Corbyn annoys me, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
so I'm a bit like... | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
They are your main two, aren't they, really? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
Yes. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:02 | |
Historically, as in previous generations of your family, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
did anybody vote... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
My dad's family was brought up Labour, Mum's family | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
was brought up Conservative. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
That's like mine, yes. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:15 | |
Catholic and Church of England, and I have never had any pressure | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
on me to make a decision either way, so... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
I just wondered if sometimes people vote... | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Like their mum and dad? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
Generational. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
The problem with Corbyn to me, is, he doesn't have the charisma. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
He reminds me of somebody from the 1970s, like Michael foot | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
He reminds me of somebody from the 1970s, like Michael Foot | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
or an old Labour MP that's nice and cuddly, but he's | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
got no charisma for me. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:37 | |
Or he hasn't got enough charisma. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
So I couldn't vote for him, personally. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
Plus a lot of the Labour MPs, I can think of three, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
Corbyn, Diane Abbott and... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
In fact, I can't remember three, I can remember two. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
It's like a homogenous group and I don't even | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
know who anybody years. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
know who anybody is. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
Nobody said anything good about Theresa May. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
Does anybody think she's good? | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
I think she's all right. | 0:10:58 | 0:10:59 | |
I think we can't blame a single person, though. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:07 | |
It's not Theresa May's decision. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
If she's doing something obviously she is discussing | 0:11:09 | 0:11:10 | |
with all the party members everything, then she can | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
make the decision. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
We can't say in the Labour Party, that person is going | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
to be a strong person. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Do you like Theresa May, then? | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
Not personally, I'm married! | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:33 | |
Has anybody heard the slogan they use a lot about Theresa May? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
She is strong and stable, that's what they keep saying. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
You're saying you've not heard that? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
No. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
No? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
Does that ring true? | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
No. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
You don't think she's strong or stable, I mean, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
or the Tory government? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
No. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
And you don't. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
No, I don't. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
And the main reason you sounded upset... | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Yes? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
Was you thought they'd backed down, Tracy, on immigration. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
Yes, she's backed down, hasn't she? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
She has backed down. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
How? | 0:12:05 | 0:12:06 | |
She says one thing, she says, oh, yes, we'll do it, you know, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
will close the borders, blah blah blah, and now, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
she is now turning round and saying, oh, well we'll let 10,000 in. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
That's 10,000 more kids for our schools, for our | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
homes, for our NHS... | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
No. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
What do you think on immigration? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Tracy is really bothered that you should try to get it down | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
to nil, really, aren't you? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
Nil. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:31 | |
What do you think? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Obviously I'm worried about it as well, no doubt about it. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
We people working here pay taxes and people that come from outside... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Basically... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
Basically they get everything that we, basically, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
the people who live here, deserve it, but they get more | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
things, but we don't, actually, and we pay taxes for themselves. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:58 | |
You pay for it? | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
They should only get... | 0:13:04 | 0:13:11 | |
We are working and the tax we pay pays for them, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
for the last that are allowed in the country. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
So you want... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
So you want...? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
But some of the workers that come over are really hard workers | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
and will do what some of our unemployed won't do. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
I don't think it's necessary then that's the problem, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
I don't think it's necessary them that's the problem, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
them who come over and they work and they integrate with society. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
I think it's the immigrants that come over and don't work, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
you know, take up the housing and the benefits, and locally it's | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
definitely a problem. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
What is, sorry? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
Immigration. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
Definitely in this area. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
Because? | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
There's so many about are not working, they take up | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
the housing, crime... | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
Crime is a big issue in Calderdale. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:57 | |
You sound like you're saying to us, hold on, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
Nicola, you're saying, remember that immigrants | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
are important. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
The ones who do want to come across, I've got friends and family who work | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
abroad, and it's tit for tat kind of thing, but some services over | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
here cost double the amount because we need | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
interpreters to support them. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
Because you work in the public sector? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
I do, yes. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:22 | |
Let's just do a couple of other issues. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
What other issues? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
A few of you have mentioned the NHS, John, you mention the NHS. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
Yes. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
I think we pay VAT to Europe, couldn't we pay VAT when we come out | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
of Europe and put it into the NHS and education and stuff like that? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
Still pay VAT that use it for our own benefit | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
rather than paying it into the bureaucracy of Europe? | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
I think that would be a good idea. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
That is the NHS important enough? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
But is the NHS important enough? | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
They say that the issue. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
Just go with the party that gets that right for me. | 0:14:54 | 0:15:01 | |
That's one of the main issues, I think. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
Yes. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:04 | |
I think getting out of the EU is a very important thing because it | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
gives us our own sovereignty and we can determine | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
our own borders, who comes here, also we determine how our money | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
is spent on what we need in this county rather than paying, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
what is it, ?45 million a day to be in Europe, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
something like that, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
so we could benefit from that a lot more than people | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
in Europe, you know? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:23 | |
I want to ask you to think about the parties, OK? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
So, when you think of the Tory party, what do you think? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Snobs. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Yes, more for posh people. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
Boys' club. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:34 | |
Yes. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Jolly boys' club, funny handshake society. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
Is it Eton, they've all been to Eton? | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
They're all private. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
You said you were thinking of voting for the? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Yes, I am, yes. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:47 | |
I mean, I went to grammar school but that's by the by. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
But yes, I'm thinking of voting for them, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
because Labour just don't... | 0:15:52 | 0:15:52 | |
They leave me cold at the minute, sorry, but they just do. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
Anthony, I got the impression you might... | 0:15:55 | 0:16:01 | |
It's possible, anything is possible. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
You might vote for all these posh Old Etonians? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
No, I don't... | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
If they tick all the boxes I'm looking for... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
You will hold your nose and do it anyway? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
I will do what needs to be done, you know, because it's... | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Like I say, if they tick my boxes, well then, I'm sorry if somebody | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
else doesn't feel the same, but hey ho, that's what politics is. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
OK. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
Anybody want to have another word on the Tories? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
What about Labour, then, what words come to mind on Labour? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
Undecided. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Labour? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
I think for the workers. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:30 | |
For the workers? | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
For the working class. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
I don't think they are for the working class. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
Do you not? | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
No, I think they're for anybody who will vote for them. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
How soon do you think they'll actually... | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
Because you all voted Labour. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Because you all voted Leave. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
How soon do you think we will be actually out, totally out? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Two years. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
Two years and we're out? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
I think 2018, actually, end of 2018. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
But if Theresa May says we're going to phase it | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
and take our time to get out... | 0:16:56 | 0:16:57 | |
Yes, it'll be five years, I reckon. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
Five? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
But why phase it? | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
It is what it is, let's have some backbone, right, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Brussels, up yours, sunshine, two finger salute, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Brussels, up yours, sunshine, two-finger salute, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
long live the Queen. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:07 | |
Yes. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
You know, and crack on with it. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
I get a sense, Nicola, sorry to look at you again, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
but I get the sense, Nicola, there's a chance | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
you might not vote at all. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
I've had times when I haven't voted. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
Anyone else think they might not vote? | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
No. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
Definitely not? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:31 | |
You'll efinitely vote? | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
I think I will, yes. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
It's a shame to waste your vote, isn't it? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
I think it's the criticism you get, it's kind of the PC thing, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
isn't it, when you get... | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
It's one of those things that... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
You don't actually say who you voted for because you going to be | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
criticised either way. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
I just choose not to vote sometimes because I really don't know | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
who to vote for and I felt it was a wasted vote if I vote | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
for somebody and counteract somebody else when you don't know | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
what you're doing. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
Just do this word game when you shout out some words. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
So I'm going to say Theresa May. | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
What you of her? | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
Weak. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Weak? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
A liar. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:04 | |
I think it's quite good that the country is led by a few | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
females, we've got, obviously, the Queen... | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Even if you don't like her, do you think she's strong? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
Yes. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
I think she's a bit of a battle-axe but I think she's quite | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
a strong person, yes. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
I think she's stronger than Corbyn, I'm sorry. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:19 | |
Ashley? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
Yes, even though I don't particularly like her, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
I think she has to be strong to have got where she is, she, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
today, even though she's a replacement, isn't she? | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
She wasn't voted in. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
Some words about Corbyn, what do you think of when I say Corbyn? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
A wet blanket. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
I think a bit of a snake. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
Ashley? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
Annoying! | 0:18:41 | 0:18:42 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
I can't say anything, you know? | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
No words? | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
No. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:47 | |
Nicola? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
No personal opinion because I don't really tend to watch much about him | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
but he hasn't got a very good reputation when it comes | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
to what you do read about and think about him. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
comes to what you do read about and hear about him. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Insipid. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
He's for the people. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
That's not a word! | 0:19:06 | 0:19:07 | |
Sorry. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
It's not, is it? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
No! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:11 | |
You feel strongly about this. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
Yes, I do, yes. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
I think Labour have created a mess and I think they should come | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
back in and clear it up. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
They'll make a bigger mess. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:28 | |
I don't think they will, I think they'll right their wrongs | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
that they created in the first place. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
Does anybody speak for the working class in politics? | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Not really. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
Not even you... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:43 | |
Not even you, and you believe in Jeremy Corbyn! | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
I do, I think out of all of them, it's definitely him, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
but I don't think... | 0:19:48 | 0:19:49 | |
I think they've all come from privileged backgrounds | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
to get to where they are, and I think none of them have ever | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
lived on a council estate or have ever lived off benefits all come | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
from single-parent families. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
None of them have ever queued in a food bank, you know... | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
That is what politicians lack, I think. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
They lack that... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
Experience. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:05 | |
Yes, the experience. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:06 | |
On the ground. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:07 | |
Nicola, you're a single mum. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:08 | |
Do you have that sense of people not having had the life | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
experience that you had? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
I think I've... | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
I've been brought up by a 2.4 family, but I work in fields | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
where they are mainly from vulnerable families. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:28 | |
Youth offending, domestic violence, and a lot of the families I work | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
with, they don't vote, either. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
Because, you think, they think politicians are other | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
people, not like us? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Yes, I think they think they're just not like us, yes. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
They don't vote because it doesn't make a difference to them. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Yes. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
That's the point. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
If it changed anything, they'd ban it! | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
LAUGHTER. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
All they're interested in most probably is how much my pint | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
is going to be and how much it's going up, petrol | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
and a packet of fags! | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
Yes. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
But are they wrong? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:05 | |
Well, no, it is their main thing, isn't it? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
That's the first, oh, what's it gone up, oh, tax, well...! | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
I remember my mum watching the news just to see how much a packet | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
of fags had gone up by. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:15 | |
She'd never voted in her life but that's what she used to watch. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
How much it had gone up by. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Growing up now, I do think that isn't the main issue. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
There are bigger things! | 0:21:26 | 0:21:26 | |
Yes, there are bigger things in life! | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
Some of the families I work with, they don't overspend, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
but they are very poor. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
They live hand to mouth. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
Yes. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:38 | |
And... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
There is quite a big rich-poor divide at the minute, I think. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
Well, thank you very much, thank you to Kerry, John, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Nicola, Anthony, Ashley, Irfan and Tracy, thanks very much | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
for sharing your views. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
Now, no small group of people, even though they've been chosen | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
by the pollsters Ipsos Mori, can ever tell you how any one | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
constituency will vote, let alone how the whole country | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
will vote, but what they can do is put the flesh on the bones | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
of the things that we see in opinion polls and the things | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
we hear every day. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
Next week we'll be hearing not from a group of Leave voters | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
but a group of Remain voters. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 |