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In this election campaign I'm speaking to several groups of voters | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
about how they are making up their mind. | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
Today I will be talking to people who voted Remain. | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
How will that choice affect the choices they | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
We have come to Bedford, a Tory held seat which is | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
The people we are speaking to have been selected for us by the | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
Of course no small group can tell us how this | :00:30. | :00:38. | |
place will vote, let alone the country as a whole but it can | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
flesh out those findings you find in the | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
Let us go inside to the corn exchange where | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
Jim Davidson and Ken Dodd have played for the latest of Nick's | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
Today's takeaway, a nice bit of Thai food. | :00:54. | :01:09. | |
Let me ask you all first, what do you think of the issues that are | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
In Bedford, what are the important issues for | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
A place that I have lived for 18 years with a very diverse | :01:17. | :01:26. | |
Children here from a diverse background. | :01:27. | :01:40. | |
And actually been a very pleasant place to live and | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
educate children who are now going back into London. | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
Recent times have made one question how you feel about | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
it and how you feel about the general population, how they are | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
feeling, in a way I have never thought before. | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
I mean just the recent last year has made me feel | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
differently about Bedford and about Britain. | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
I will come onto that because I think I know what you mean. | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
Bedford first of all, what do people think | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
I think at the moment the hospital situation. | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
I think it is important to me, my husband has a | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
Having no services available, thinking about having a | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
The potential of A shutting, maternity services | :02:27. | :02:37. | |
not being there anymore, it is quite frightening to think | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
we might have to go afield for things which we | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
have been able to access course for such a long time. | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
Accident and emergency being degraded. | :02:45. | :02:52. | |
It worries us, the fact that services are going. | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
I want to be able to get all the services I | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
If they are degraded, will they be far off? | :03:04. | :03:13. | |
That is a big worrying point from my perspective | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
A lot of people are accessing the foodbank. | :03:17. | :03:29. | |
I asked how much food they give every | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
month, over six tonnes and Bedford is a small town. | :03:32. | :03:39. | |
Cuts in services, NHS and statutory services, from the | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
I cannot think outside Bedford because | :03:42. | :03:55. | |
I am always dealing with people in Bedford | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
who are facing problems on a | :03:58. | :03:58. | |
day-to-day basis which is affecting their way of living. | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
Has anyone else had any experience with the NHS where | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
My son has a friend who are a couple of | :04:10. | :04:20. | |
friends who are working in the local hospital, | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
a Greek doctor has been a year for a year. | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
They took him to the accident and emergency, the Greek doctor was | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
so shocked that this lady was bleeding next | :04:32. | :04:32. | |
to my son who is 17 or | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
They sat there for several hours, a lady who could been | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
in Greece, such a thing could not happen. | :04:42. | :04:53. | |
Someone who needed such care would not be | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
allowed to sit there in | :04:56. | :04:56. | |
Is that the big issue nationally or other other | :04:57. | :05:05. | |
We should have a good deal in place after leaving | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
Of course NHS is one of the big issues but if we do | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
not get a good deal, it affects our economy. | :05:19. | :05:27. | |
This means we cannot fund the NHS so the most important issue | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
at this moment for me is getting a good Brexit deal. | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
It is very important for me as well because my job depends on | :05:34. | :05:41. | |
If our company cannot make it work, we have to think about what we | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
It could put obstacles in the way for example or | :05:49. | :06:01. | |
they could affect our production factory in Italy. | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
We essentially buy from our production site and bring | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
So for you the way is if there will be taxes. | :06:06. | :06:14. | |
It will be harder for us to make a profit and | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
it will be a strain on us as a company. | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
For me it is the biggest issue in this election. | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
For me we need the strongest campaigner. | :06:26. | :06:32. | |
To be involved in the Brexit process and get the best deal | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
So you are looking for someone who still wants us to | :06:38. | :06:46. | |
Someone to get the best possible outcome. | :06:47. | :07:03. | |
Although I voted Remain, the situation where we are | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
leaving so we need the best we can get now. | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
You all voted Remain, that is why we asked | :07:10. | :07:24. | |
We are interested to know about people who voted | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
I feel somewhat sad about it but it is the next | :07:29. | :07:39. | |
My daughter graduated on the day before they went to vote. | :07:40. | :07:51. | |
She had a very bad feeling it would go in that | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
I was certainly shocked because it's not just for us | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
now, it is for our children's future, when they want to travel | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
around Europe and get a job outside the UK, | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
In my work, because I am 26, I work with a lot of older | :08:09. | :08:20. | |
I work in an estate agent, I am a secretary. | :08:21. | :08:34. | |
Being young, compared to them, I've felt that their decision was made | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
Things that will not necessarily impact on them will impact me and my | :08:38. | :08:51. | |
There was all this bravado, if we leave now it will be better. | :08:52. | :09:02. | |
I voted Remain not for the economy at all but because I had a fear of | :09:03. | :09:19. | |
the increase of hate crime. That was my only reason why. Not for the | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
economy but I was scared that if we voted out, it gives a platform | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
because of the campaigning, it would give a platform for people to incite | :09:31. | :09:37. | |
hatred and xenophobia. And no it has happened? Now we are dealing with a | :09:38. | :09:46. | |
lot of hate crime. Really, in Bedford? Yes, there is an increase. | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
I was right to be frightened and I will still be frightened. That fear | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
will not go for a long time because we can see it happening all around | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
us. Lots of people who you are this will see we have not changed as a | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
country just because we voted in a way you do not like. We have to deal | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
with it and that is why the government has to try and protect | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
and safeguard these people, the communities that are being attacked. | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
I spoke to people in this town who are, I would | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
say not necessarily politically minded who within 24 hours said they | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
These are fairly nice people who within a day were saying, | :10:25. | :10:38. | |
they did not really know but voted Leave. | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
When you started asking them questions, they | :10:41. | :10:41. | |
had not thought of so many of the aspects of what that really meant. | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
I feel also the campaign was led by, the way the campaign was led, | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
appealed to certain baser instincts in some and in others, they were | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
left naively not knowing what was going on. | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
Think of now rather than then, we're going to get on with it | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
That is like a fire in your house saying, it | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
You still think the fire could be put out? | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
The way that the government and the people who are leading the | :11:14. | :11:29. | |
government literally fell away the moment it was voted in. They just | :11:30. | :11:36. | |
disappeared. You don't think that? As I say, I like to get with it. We | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
want someone who will get the best deal after Brexit. We want either of | :11:42. | :11:50. | |
them who will give us the best possible opportunities in the future | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
with the deal which is beneficial to all. You say the two of them, you do | :11:54. | :12:02. | |
not have to vote Labour or Tory. There are other parties. Let us do | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
it again. Would you voted Labour? I don't think that is necessary, just | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
get on with it. I also said maybe there should be people potentially | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
getting more of the see because we are voting in the general election | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
but we will still be voting on something we have not had an | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
opportunity to have a say on. So it might be a great deal but we will | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
not know until it happens. You are I Remain as well what is your view, | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
take a get on with it? If the country is to vote for a party which | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
decided to have another referendum, the outcome might... We would get to | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
the point where the government might say, we like this answer so we will | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
get on with it then. For referendums. You are not convinced. | :13:01. | :13:11. | |
It is almost like, he goes up to someone says give us 250 grand for | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
the house. What is it like? You will find out. But what is that like, I | :13:17. | :13:25. | |
may not like it. Just trust us, you will be fine. That is what the | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
readers have done effectively? Know, what it seems to me, particularly | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
Theresa May has said, strong and stable leadership and I am the best | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
person to negotiate. You will not get as seasonal, you would just get | :13:43. | :13:50. | |
it. It might be it turns out there are lots of political machinations | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
and we do get the best deal but it seems a strange thing you could say | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
to Theresa May but what was a good deal look like? No one knows. If you | :14:01. | :14:09. | |
wanted to say, give it another go, who are you tempted by? Is there any | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
MP saying the things you want a year? I am very cynical about | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
politicians. I have not heard anything. I feel we were set up. Are | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
you not hearing anyone say have another referendum? Hearing how | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
Theresa May has got into her discussions with Europe, generally I | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
think the British perspective is very... I travel a lot, I go to | :14:39. | :14:45. | |
Europe weekly, and the Europeans are not feeling... They are feeling | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
quite upset and angry, they do not like the Porsche leading up to | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
Brexit. -- the posturing. They feel quite anti-. You do not like Theresa | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
May's tone. No one on the opposition benches? You have the Greens, the | :15:04. | :15:12. | |
Labour -- the Liberal Democrats? The chances are very unlikely they will | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
get in. I think I agree. I cannot see anyone in the Tory frontbencher | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
can negotiate their way out of a paper bag. It is really sad because | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
if you discount Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, I don't think so. Then it | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
goes round. I agree with you, I am getting on, it is really quite | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
depressing. You think there is no standout person. They say Theresa | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
May is strong and stable leadership but she was in charge of the Home | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
Office for six years and we did not see a lot of that going on. My issue | :15:54. | :16:00. | |
is, I think Bedford, the Tories got in with a 1200 majority no, it is | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
not a safe seat. If that is a national movement to vote | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
tactically, you are not going to vote for the Liberal Democrats | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
because unless that is some sort of turnover, they will not getting so | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
if you vote tactically, perhaps you will vote for Labour but they are | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
going with Brexit as well so it is difficult. What about the Greens, to | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
make a statement? But your statement would be like a stone dropped in a | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
pond, no one would see it, it would be gone, it would be frustrating. It | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
is first past the post so if you do not agree with the government, the | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
only thing to do is vote Labour. If you came into the room though, and | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
said I am Tim Farron, I am the new leader, I will say, do not disappear | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
you Remainers, we can still do it, in a couple of years' time things | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
will look different. What would you say to him? This is always a waste | :17:04. | :17:11. | |
of time, money and energy. I agree, it is a waste of time. We should | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
just get on with it. It will create more division. It might create more | :17:18. | :17:25. | |
division within society so it is done and I think the majority of us | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
who voted Remain have accepted it and just want to get on with it now. | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
Does anyone think Jeremy Corbyn would be a better person for | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
negotiations? Definitely not. He is a person who really cares about the | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
economy because he has the interest of the workers at heart and that is | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
what the economy is based on, that is what I personally think. I am | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
basing it on what I have seen in Bedford with the lack of jobs over | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
the years and the cutting of services. I want somebody else to | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
have another chance and see if they can make this go forward. You | :18:04. | :18:12. | |
thought Jeremy Corbyn would do well? I think his style of talking to | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
people, on a personal level, I think he talks to people with a little | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
more engagement rather than talking over people as though he will tell | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
people what is going to happen. I saw your eyebrows go up. I am really | :18:29. | :18:37. | |
sorry, Germany, he will probably be really good if he ever got the | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
chance but this is a chap who put a three line whip in for people to | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
pass the Brexit bill or whatever it was called. There was -- this was a | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
man who never lobbied the government whip when Labour were npower, never. | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
He might be a good negotiator but he has not got any principles. -- when | :18:58. | :19:07. | |
Labour were npower. Jeremy Corbyn, Maria said, you're saying his | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
empathetic? He can build a relationship? When I see him on the | :19:14. | :19:21. | |
television, I turnover. It is the truth. Why? He just irritates me and | :19:22. | :19:33. | |
he is one that bugs me. Is that because you are Tory? I don't know | :19:34. | :19:41. | |
if it is about that. I have watched other and labour leaders, I think it | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
is just him personally. Give me a few qualities, show total words. Let | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
us do Theresa May first. What words do you associate with her? Tough. | :19:52. | :19:59. | |
Strong. Xenophobic. That is what comes over as. Yes? Come back to me. | :20:00. | :20:08. | |
I think she is a businesswoman and cheesy to make the best of the bad | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
situation. -- and she is here. Donald Trump's businesswoman. I | :20:16. | :20:23. | |
think a lot of people are worries, not to bring up American politics, | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
but people are worried it is going to call the we, with the coming | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
election they will vote for the lesser of two evils. Do you think | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
they might do that now? I think people are worried go that way. She | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
is like a second Mrs Thatcher. You do not mean that in a good way? No, | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
she is a very strong person. In a good way? No. You are thinking of | :20:52. | :21:00. | |
voting Labour? I have not decided yet, it is based on next week. I am | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
intrigued, you might vote for the second Mrs Thatcher or you might | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
vote for Jeremy Corbyn, your words. I have always voted Labour. Nowadays | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
because it is so much information, so much social media, the way we saw | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
politics is so different to two elections before. People are | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
thinking about how they voted. Before it was something they | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
inherited from their appearance. You used to vote for a party but no, it | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
is not like that. I do not see that. What about words that describe | :21:40. | :21:50. | |
Jeremy Corbyn? Irritating. Irritating. And you are voting for | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
the Greens. I just do not trust him. I think he is fatally idealistic. | :21:58. | :22:06. | |
You will not vote for him or leave? As you said, the American election | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
was between the least worst candidate and it is such a shame | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
that in this country, it is almost like we are talking about who is the | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
worst -- least worst candidate. You may still vote Labour? Possibly. You | :22:23. | :22:31. | |
are not sure. You? Come back to me. Is that any other issue, you know | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
what, we have had a referendum but this issue is much more important to | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
me? For me it is the schools my children go to and the pressure the | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
teachers are under is incredible. Anybody else? Locally services, | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
everything locally, welfare, elderly, cuts in youth services. | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
Everything that you need to live on a day-to-day basis. What about | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
health? Is the health service so important? Yes. Is it more than | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
Brexit for you? The health service will not function if you do not have | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
a stronger economy. I think they come part and parcel. Definitely. | :23:18. | :23:26. | |
Like the schooling system, the NHS is and is a lot more strain, we are | :23:27. | :23:33. | |
living longer. Initial planning for the NHS was not to let people to | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
live to 104. Thank you everyone. That is it from us in Bedford. We | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
will have the chance to finish off our takeaway know and we will be | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
back next week talking to people that the Prime Minister has called | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
the just about managing, who will be decide to vote for? -- will they | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
decide. | :24:00. | :24:01. |