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Nick Robinson sits down for dinner with a group of voters to examine how different parts of the electorate are making up their minds ahead of the general election.


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In this election campaign I'm speaking to several groups of voters

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about how they are making up their mind.

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Today I will be talking to people who voted Remain.

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How will that choice affect the choices they

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We have come to Bedford, a Tory held seat which is

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The people we are speaking to have been selected for us by the

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Of course no small group can tell us how this

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place will vote, let alone the country as a whole but it can

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flesh out those findings you find in the

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Let us go inside to the corn exchange where

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Jim Davidson and Ken Dodd have played for the latest of Nick's

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Today's takeaway, a nice bit of Thai food.

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Let me ask you all first, what do you think of the issues that are

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In Bedford, what are the important issues for

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A place that I have lived for 18 years with a very diverse

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Children here from a diverse background.

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And actually been a very pleasant place to live and

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educate children who are now going back into London.

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Recent times have made one question how you feel about

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it and how you feel about the general population, how they are

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feeling, in a way I have never thought before.

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I mean just the recent last year has made me feel

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differently about Bedford and about Britain.

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I will come onto that because I think I know what you mean.

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Bedford first of all, what do people think

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I think at the moment the hospital situation.

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I think it is important to me, my husband has a

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Having no services available, thinking about having a

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The potential of A shutting, maternity services

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not being there anymore, it is quite frightening to think

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we might have to go afield for things which we

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have been able to access course for such a long time.

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Accident and emergency being degraded.

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It worries us, the fact that services are going.

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I want to be able to get all the services I

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If they are degraded, will they be far off?

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That is a big worrying point from my perspective

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A lot of people are accessing the foodbank.

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I asked how much food they give every

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month, over six tonnes and Bedford is a small town.

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Cuts in services, NHS and statutory services, from the

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I cannot think outside Bedford because

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I am always dealing with people in Bedford

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who are facing problems on a

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day-to-day basis which is affecting their way of living.

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Has anyone else had any experience with the NHS where

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My son has a friend who are a couple of

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friends who are working in the local hospital,

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a Greek doctor has been a year for a year.

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They took him to the accident and emergency, the Greek doctor was

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so shocked that this lady was bleeding next

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to my son who is 17 or

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They sat there for several hours, a lady who could been

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in Greece, such a thing could not happen.

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Someone who needed such care would not be

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allowed to sit there in

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Is that the big issue nationally or other other

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We should have a good deal in place after leaving

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Of course NHS is one of the big issues but if we do

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not get a good deal, it affects our economy.

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This means we cannot fund the NHS so the most important issue

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at this moment for me is getting a good Brexit deal.

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It is very important for me as well because my job depends on

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If our company cannot make it work, we have to think about what we

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It could put obstacles in the way for example or

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they could affect our production factory in Italy.

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We essentially buy from our production site and bring

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So for you the way is if there will be taxes.

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It will be harder for us to make a profit and

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it will be a strain on us as a company.

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For me it is the biggest issue in this election.

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For me we need the strongest campaigner.

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To be involved in the Brexit process and get the best deal

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So you are looking for someone who still wants us to

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Someone to get the best possible outcome.

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Although I voted Remain, the situation where we are

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leaving so we need the best we can get now.

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You all voted Remain, that is why we asked

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We are interested to know about people who voted

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I feel somewhat sad about it but it is the next

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My daughter graduated on the day before they went to vote.

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She had a very bad feeling it would go in that

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I was certainly shocked because it's not just for us

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now, it is for our children's future, when they want to travel

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around Europe and get a job outside the UK,

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In my work, because I am 26, I work with a lot of older

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I work in an estate agent, I am a secretary.

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Being young, compared to them, I've felt that their decision was made

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Things that will not necessarily impact on them will impact me and my

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There was all this bravado, if we leave now it will be better.

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I voted Remain not for the economy at all but because I had a fear of

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the increase of hate crime. That was my only reason why. Not for the

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economy but I was scared that if we voted out, it gives a platform

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because of the campaigning, it would give a platform for people to incite

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hatred and xenophobia. And no it has happened? Now we are dealing with a

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lot of hate crime. Really, in Bedford? Yes, there is an increase.

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I was right to be frightened and I will still be frightened. That fear

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will not go for a long time because we can see it happening all around

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us. Lots of people who you are this will see we have not changed as a

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country just because we voted in a way you do not like. We have to deal

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with it and that is why the government has to try and protect

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and safeguard these people, the communities that are being attacked.

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I spoke to people in this town who are, I would

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say not necessarily politically minded who within 24 hours said they

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These are fairly nice people who within a day were saying,

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they did not really know but voted Leave.

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When you started asking them questions, they

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had not thought of so many of the aspects of what that really meant.

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I feel also the campaign was led by, the way the campaign was led,

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appealed to certain baser instincts in some and in others, they were

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left naively not knowing what was going on.

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Think of now rather than then, we're going to get on with it

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That is like a fire in your house saying, it

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You still think the fire could be put out?

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The way that the government and the people who are leading the

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government literally fell away the moment it was voted in. They just

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disappeared. You don't think that? As I say, I like to get with it. We

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want someone who will get the best deal after Brexit. We want either of

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them who will give us the best possible opportunities in the future

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with the deal which is beneficial to all. You say the two of them, you do

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not have to vote Labour or Tory. There are other parties. Let us do

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it again. Would you voted Labour? I don't think that is necessary, just

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get on with it. I also said maybe there should be people potentially

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getting more of the see because we are voting in the general election

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but we will still be voting on something we have not had an

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opportunity to have a say on. So it might be a great deal but we will

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not know until it happens. You are I Remain as well what is your view,

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take a get on with it? If the country is to vote for a party which

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decided to have another referendum, the outcome might... We would get to

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the point where the government might say, we like this answer so we will

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get on with it then. For referendums. You are not convinced.

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It is almost like, he goes up to someone says give us 250 grand for

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the house. What is it like? You will find out. But what is that like, I

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may not like it. Just trust us, you will be fine. That is what the

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readers have done effectively? Know, what it seems to me, particularly

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Theresa May has said, strong and stable leadership and I am the best

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person to negotiate. You will not get as seasonal, you would just get

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it. It might be it turns out there are lots of political machinations

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and we do get the best deal but it seems a strange thing you could say

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to Theresa May but what was a good deal look like? No one knows. If you

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wanted to say, give it another go, who are you tempted by? Is there any

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MP saying the things you want a year? I am very cynical about

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politicians. I have not heard anything. I feel we were set up. Are

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you not hearing anyone say have another referendum? Hearing how

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Theresa May has got into her discussions with Europe, generally I

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think the British perspective is very... I travel a lot, I go to

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Europe weekly, and the Europeans are not feeling... They are feeling

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quite upset and angry, they do not like the Porsche leading up to

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Brexit. -- the posturing. They feel quite anti-. You do not like Theresa

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May's tone. No one on the opposition benches? You have the Greens, the

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Labour -- the Liberal Democrats? The chances are very unlikely they will

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get in. I think I agree. I cannot see anyone in the Tory frontbencher

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can negotiate their way out of a paper bag. It is really sad because

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if you discount Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, I don't think so. Then it

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goes round. I agree with you, I am getting on, it is really quite

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depressing. You think there is no standout person. They say Theresa

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May is strong and stable leadership but she was in charge of the Home

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Office for six years and we did not see a lot of that going on. My issue

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is, I think Bedford, the Tories got in with a 1200 majority no, it is

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not a safe seat. If that is a national movement to vote

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tactically, you are not going to vote for the Liberal Democrats

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because unless that is some sort of turnover, they will not getting so

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if you vote tactically, perhaps you will vote for Labour but they are

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going with Brexit as well so it is difficult. What about the Greens, to

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make a statement? But your statement would be like a stone dropped in a

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pond, no one would see it, it would be gone, it would be frustrating. It

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is first past the post so if you do not agree with the government, the

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only thing to do is vote Labour. If you came into the room though, and

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said I am Tim Farron, I am the new leader, I will say, do not disappear

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you Remainers, we can still do it, in a couple of years' time things

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will look different. What would you say to him? This is always a waste

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of time, money and energy. I agree, it is a waste of time. We should

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just get on with it. It will create more division. It might create more

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division within society so it is done and I think the majority of us

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who voted Remain have accepted it and just want to get on with it now.

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Does anyone think Jeremy Corbyn would be a better person for

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negotiations? Definitely not. He is a person who really cares about the

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economy because he has the interest of the workers at heart and that is

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what the economy is based on, that is what I personally think. I am

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basing it on what I have seen in Bedford with the lack of jobs over

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the years and the cutting of services. I want somebody else to

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have another chance and see if they can make this go forward. You

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thought Jeremy Corbyn would do well? I think his style of talking to

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people, on a personal level, I think he talks to people with a little

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more engagement rather than talking over people as though he will tell

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people what is going to happen. I saw your eyebrows go up. I am really

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sorry, Germany, he will probably be really good if he ever got the

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chance but this is a chap who put a three line whip in for people to

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pass the Brexit bill or whatever it was called. There was -- this was a

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man who never lobbied the government whip when Labour were npower, never.

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He might be a good negotiator but he has not got any principles. -- when

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Labour were npower. Jeremy Corbyn, Maria said, you're saying his

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empathetic? He can build a relationship? When I see him on the

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television, I turnover. It is the truth. Why? He just irritates me and

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he is one that bugs me. Is that because you are Tory? I don't know

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if it is about that. I have watched other and labour leaders, I think it

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is just him personally. Give me a few qualities, show total words. Let

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us do Theresa May first. What words do you associate with her? Tough.

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Strong. Xenophobic. That is what comes over as. Yes? Come back to me.

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I think she is a businesswoman and cheesy to make the best of the bad

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situation. -- and she is here. Donald Trump's businesswoman. I

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think a lot of people are worries, not to bring up American politics,

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but people are worried it is going to call the we, with the coming

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election they will vote for the lesser of two evils. Do you think

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they might do that now? I think people are worried go that way. She

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is like a second Mrs Thatcher. You do not mean that in a good way? No,

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she is a very strong person. In a good way? No. You are thinking of

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voting Labour? I have not decided yet, it is based on next week. I am

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intrigued, you might vote for the second Mrs Thatcher or you might

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vote for Jeremy Corbyn, your words. I have always voted Labour. Nowadays

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because it is so much information, so much social media, the way we saw

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politics is so different to two elections before. People are

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thinking about how they voted. Before it was something they

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inherited from their appearance. You used to vote for a party but no, it

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is not like that. I do not see that. What about words that describe

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Jeremy Corbyn? Irritating. Irritating. And you are voting for

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the Greens. I just do not trust him. I think he is fatally idealistic.

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You will not vote for him or leave? As you said, the American election

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was between the least worst candidate and it is such a shame

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that in this country, it is almost like we are talking about who is the

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worst -- least worst candidate. You may still vote Labour? Possibly. You

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are not sure. You? Come back to me. Is that any other issue, you know

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what, we have had a referendum but this issue is much more important to

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me? For me it is the schools my children go to and the pressure the

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teachers are under is incredible. Anybody else? Locally services,

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everything locally, welfare, elderly, cuts in youth services.

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Everything that you need to live on a day-to-day basis. What about

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health? Is the health service so important? Yes. Is it more than

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Brexit for you? The health service will not function if you do not have

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a stronger economy. I think they come part and parcel. Definitely.

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Like the schooling system, the NHS is and is a lot more strain, we are

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living longer. Initial planning for the NHS was not to let people to

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live to 104. Thank you everyone. That is it from us in Bedford. We

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will have the chance to finish off our takeaway know and we will be

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back next week talking to people that the Prime Minister has called

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the just about managing, who will be decide to vote for? -- will they

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decide.

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In the second of three special programmes the BBC's Nick Robinson sits down for dinner with a group of voters to examine how different parts of the electorate are making up their minds ahead of the general election.


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