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Nick Robinson sits down for dinner with a group of voters to examine how different parts of the electorate are making up their minds ahead of the general election.


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takeaway. Nick Robinson shared fish and chips with voters from Elton in

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south London. People who are just about managing, known as the Jams.

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The people who are in work but still struggle to make ends meet,

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to pay those bills at the end of the week.

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How will they make up their minds how to vote?

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We've come to the suburbs of south London to find out.

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Well, it's fish and chips for the latest of my

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Well, it's fish and chips for the latest of my election takeaways.

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We are in the south suburbs of London with a group of voters

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who are going to tell us how they are making up their minds

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Just to start us off, what issues in this area,

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before we talk about the country, what things all thinking

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about when you think of who to vote for?

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When you are concerned about this area, what are the things

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that are bothering you, making you make up your minds?

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One of the things I'm worried about is the school dinners.

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We've had the milk taken and now they are going to take

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the school meals and something about the breakfast.

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My child has breakfast before she goes to school.

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I think for me it has to be health care.

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If we looking at most of the services we get

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at the moment, take away some of the GPs, it was easy to get

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Ring up in the morning, you know when you want to go and see them.

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Now, it's 'what's wrong with you?' OK, call back at 8am.

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You ring back at 8am, you can't get through.

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And when you do get through, you get an appointment at 1030

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We are overstretching accident in emergencies.

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So having to take myself up to A E which could be looked at by my GP.

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I work in a school, and I have concerns about the school dinners

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But I also coach at a scheme in Stoke Newington.

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One of the biggest things locally is the knife epidemic

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Whichever party comes in, wins, has to have something steel cast

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in place to combat that because it's a problem.

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I work a lot with young children, an academy school in south London,

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My head spends 60% of her time dealing with social media issues

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which then spill over into the classrooms, the playground,

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Social media, people losing their temper with each

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When I was at school, many years ago, the bullying started

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Nowadays, with social media, it's 24-7.

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The generation that is coming through lives their lives through

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Are you watching the election much at the moment?

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Promises that they never follow through with.

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Promises that they never follow through with.

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I listened keenly because I like to hold people accountable,

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so I will listen to what you've got to see.

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When the time comes, if you implement those policies

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and then if you don't, I've got a starting point

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to say well, you did say this in the beginning.

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The Lib Dems with the tuition fees cuts.

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That upset me even though I was past the student stage,

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I was fortunate enough to get through before this happened,

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I thought it was very deceitful of them to make such a policy

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I think, day by day, it gathers momentum.

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I think today use the Theresa May, for the first time, start to look

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Also, a couple of weeks back, you had Diane Abbott did

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I found it embarrassing listening to that, you know.

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Did it tell you anything did you just think,

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There is no concrete foundation to what they are saying.

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They are coming in with these wonderful ideas, hooks to get people

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engaged but in actual fact, they have not thought it through.

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I looked today and they are talking about tuition fees.

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How on earth are they going to pay for this?

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More students than ever wanting people to go to university.

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Blair in 1997 wanted 50% of students to go to university.

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I want to start the wider conversation a bit by just asking

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If you had to describe how you were, how you were doing in your family,

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does it feel like it's pretty easy at the moment?

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Things are comfortable, you are shaking your head?

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Every single month, you are constantly thinking can

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I afford ?20 on my Oyster card, ?10 on my Oyster card if you want

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Even when you do the weekly shopping, it comes up to over

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?100 you are thinking, can something give?

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You constantly got multiple financial plates on the go

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In London, no. I get high in the six at night, having got up at 413

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morning. -- I get home at six o'clock at night. Is it tough times,

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Daniel? I work for the local Government. You

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would say it was a good salary, and a single mum. Childcare costs are

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joke. I'm lucky that I'm coming back out of that. If I was thinking about

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having another child at any time... The childcare costs alone because

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there three times a mortgage price almost. I think the problem with

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salaries of local Government, teachers, they haven't stayed in the

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bracket of the increase of what the cost of living has. What about for

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you? And struggling every year -- I am struggling every year. I have

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three children. It's with the same for me at the end of the year. You

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have to take out a loan, an overdraft. What do you do?

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I can't really give my kids 100%. I have to struggle to make them happy.

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You had to start telling stories, rosy stories. Is that for everyday

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things? It they want something, and I don't

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have the money, I have to tell the next week. Had you heard this

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phrase, just about managing? Yes. Is that you? Yes. I feel blessed

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sometimes though because I wouldn't be able to afford my house now. We

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are managing, and if some people are worrying about how to feed their

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children, food banks, it makes you think well, there is a whole world

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is under this that struggling even more. We chose you because you are

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all Jams. It's not just coincidence. You become more resource baubles the

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big you want to go to the football, the cinema or music or the theatre,

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you think yourself, how can I do it on the budget? You might think, can

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I get half price tickets. Who is doing all right? You! MPs! You are

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only jealous because I put a pickled onion! We have had no pay rises that

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MPs have. All the scandals, the public scandals. It's at the top. I

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asked you about that phrase, Jams. If you know you for certain who is,

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don't say. Do you know who earns more? Who said that phrase?

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Churchill. Jeremy Corbyn. If it was him I would be pleased. Theresa May.

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Theresa May. Isn't that interesting. She said that these were the people

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she wanted to help. Really? Who does she think they are? Talk is cheap,

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she'll sit round this dinner table with her cronies and they will tell

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you that they are just about managing with their two houses in

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their 160 grand cars that we are paying for! Why are they taking the

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school dinners away then? That's contradicting yourself there, isn't

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it? It seems like a race to the bottom in so many areas. I got a

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friend who is an super taxi driver. I got a friend who is

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an uber taxi driver. The tax system discourages people

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from working because the more you work, the more they tax. When I sit

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down in my house, some people are ready to work but when you think

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about it, the tax doesn't feel fair. It doesn't feel fair. They should be

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in courage in people to work. If you want people to work, relax the tax.

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If you are trying to balance the books each month, do the right

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thing, working 55-60 hours per week, all of a sudden, you are worse off.

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It doesn't make sense. It's like quicksand. The more you try, the

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harder it is to make ends meet. You hearing anything from any of the

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leaders that makes you think, they kind of get it. -- are you hearing

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anything from any of the leaders? I think the nationalisation of

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railways by Jeremy Corbyn is something good. Every year, the

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fares have been going up, I can't get a seat and sometimes you

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couldn't even get on your train, in my head I used to think, I just want

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this nationalised, and then it got privatised and it has gone down

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since. He reminds me of a normal person. He would sit around this

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table with us. I couldn't see myself eating fish and chips with Theresa

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May but I could with Jeremy Corbyn. I could say to him, here is my

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spreadsheet. I would ask him how he could help me. I think his demeanour

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tells me that he would ask us how we wanted things to be, so if Labour

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came back in, I think for a start doing a might start asking a bit

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more. I don't think he has leadership credentials. I can't put

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my finger on it. Don't you admire his honesty though? He is on his. He

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lives by a lot of the things he believes in. Whether he's a good

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leader is another matter, but he lives by what he believes. Is that

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the rights... Is that the test you set for a Prime Minister? It needs

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to be somebody you can relate to, warm up to and believe what they are

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selling you. It's like a sales pitch, who are you going to go for?

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I believe him but I felt let down by Brexit, I felt like he hid, he

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disappeared. What have you heard from Corbyn so far under the

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nationalisation of the railways? Jewish and fees. Except -- tuition

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fees, although it seemed unbelievable by September that you

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could get through it. That would be good. I got three children, three

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girls. They all want to go to college. The fees are so high that

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are not in a position that I could help them as much as I want to. Do

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you think he can do it? I hope so. It's like I say, you vote for them

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and you can never tell. I think mathematically it is possible my

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only problem is that in order to do that, does that mean that the

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student loans are going to go up so that cost of paying it back is going

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to go up? It's taken me a while to pay that back, so I'm wondering if

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you're going to subsidise in one area, if you reduce somewhere then

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something else has to increase. I would like for the NHS to get back

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to normal, giving nurses a chance. Page in the NHS? Yes. Nurses are not

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being appreciated. They need a pay rise? Yes. I think the police, with

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the climate, we need more police. Who is more honest with you? It's

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looking like Jeremy to be honest. I won't lie, I liked Theresa May at

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first, in terms of the iron fist of Margaret Thatcher although she

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destroyed everything... I tend to gear towards strong people and I did

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like Teresa at first, but there are too many things that make me think,

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you called this election, why did you do that? What about promises

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that the Tories have made to help you out? Everything she says puts me

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off further and further. They are going through the best for Britain

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with the negotiations Brexit, but we don't know. She's been singing the

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immigration song for many years. Nothing personally? Capping the

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price of energy? We've heard that before. We've been hearing that for

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years. Petrol is going to be capped... It never does. I like the

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idea, obviously. It sounds good but is it going to happen? That's one of

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the more obvious points you can rule out. Anyone with half a brain cell

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would know that we're talking about private companies. Since when did

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anything work telling private companies what to do. It's never

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worked. The rail system, it hasn't worked. The Government have tried

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and tried and tried to intervene but they are private company so they've

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failed. Has anybody not voted Labour? I wish I had. I've always

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voted Labour. Corbyn is not really for me, massively.

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It's the policies, uncle between the two. We vote every four years, we

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should be voting every 14 years, by the time we look at education again,

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we have to get the people out, the policy in, by the time you're done,

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the four years is up. You vote for Cameron, you don't like Corbyn. You

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don't mind him? And thinking of voting Labour. The change of

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policies. How much will they try and pull over people's eyes. What will

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tomorrow's story be? They keep changing on a daily basis. Who

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things Jeremy Corbyn will be our next Prime Minister? I'd like to

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hope... Nobody said yes. I think it will be closer than people think.

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I'll bet you this pickled onion. I hope we go into a coalition with

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Labour leading. Kettings Theresa May will win? I think she will win. I

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I think she will, I don't want her to though.

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When Theresa May came in, I thought Girl Power. I thought she was on the

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money, but for me now, it's a trust issue. She's done a lot of

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backtracking. Can I trust the? She's lied about the snap election. Then

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she turns around, can you trust someone like that? You need someone

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around you to advise you before you speak? Are they sitting down before

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they make these announcements? What's the general thinking? That is

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what I would like to know. It is enough to change your mind? I was

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sitting on the fence, but now I think I know exactly what I'm going

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to do. It is another bad story would you change your mind again? I was

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genuinely sitting on the fence for a while, but now I'm 100% aware of

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what I'm going to do. Which is? I'm not telling. What words would you

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apply to Theresa May? I don't think she's stable. Flaky. Rattled! And

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trustworthy. Professional. When I look John Major, everyone

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slated him. But I think Theresa May's the company 's best interest

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that heart. -- countries best interests at heart. I think she has

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been found out though. I see your point though, I've never looked at

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it like before. She's not particularly flash. Do you mean that

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as a compliment? Not a big flashy PR machine. Not like Boris Johnson. If

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he was there, forget it. Not for me. I think she's straight down the

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line. I think she knows what she wants. And for me, that's going a

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long way. I worked in the police when she was Home Secretary, and she

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just used to push things through. She was stick to things and that

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scares me. Will that make her rigour tough that I shed a? No. It may be

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good for Brexit, but in other aspects, she could be a bit softer,

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things like the NHS, see the bigger picture rather than just her road

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map for success. One last question. A lot of you like Jeremy Corbyn. Is

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there anything that makes you worry about him? Not really. The only grey

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area with him and the Labour Party is they just have to get their maths

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right. I'm not talking about the Diane Abbott thing, I'm talking

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about in general. If you are going to see what you are going to say

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then you need to demonstrate where this will come from and how you

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think you will get this back. You need to know the numbers? That's all

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it is. Will he get the Brexit deal right for us if he goes into power?

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Why might he not? I felt like he disappeared when it was kicking off

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he disappeared. There was nothing to see that he was pitting his backing

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to it. He wasn't there for me. Will Theresa May be goods in most Brexit

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negotiations? She's doing her best but she's stubborn. One or two

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words, not sentences. Maverick. Friendly. Honest. Genuine. Trusting.

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Perfect! Gut feeling. That's what you feel good about. Very good.

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Thank you all very much for being here. Time to finish off the pickled

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onion. That's all from the

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In the last of three special programmes the BBC's Nick Robinson sits down for dinner with a group of voters to examine how different parts of the electorate are making up their minds ahead of the general election.


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