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The local elections tomorrow, the UK general election on June 8th. I

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guess those elections might come up in some of the topics raised with

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the First Ministerment let's cross to the chamber.

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The First Minister here to answer whatever questions put her way. The

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chamber looks quite full in the picture there, but tlr actually a

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number of empty seats. Some people allowed to campaign rather than be

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here in Parliament today. Getting under way, here is the Presiding

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Officer. Ken Mackintosh. Question number one from Ruth

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Davidson. I would like to ask the First Minister what engagements she

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has planned for the rest of the day. At the weekend, her predecessor was

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asked on television by one in five children leaves Primary School

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functionally illiterate and he replied that this was just one

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statistic. No, it is not, it is thousands of lives. Ten years on

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from this SNP government taking charge, and with councils across

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Scotland being asked to run our schools tomorrow, perhaps it is

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worth asking the current First Minister about more statistics. Why

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is it that between 2011 and 2015 the proportion of children performing

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well in new Morrissey fell? -- in new Morrissey fell. I have made no

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bones about my determination to raise performance in literacy,

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numeracy and attainment across the board. That is why we have

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established the new attainment challenge and framework and the

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attainment fund. As we have talked about many times in the past in this

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chamber, that is now channelling additional resources directly to

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headteachers in order that they can decide ways in which to best raise

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attainment. It is also why, as we will see, the latest figures that

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are in the same vein as the ones Ruth Davidson sites, these are

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sample surveys, and I not dismissing them but it is one of the reasons

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why we have taken the decision to start publishing comprehensive

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school by school local authority by local authority data, so that we

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know how our schools are performing, but crucially, so we know how the

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Mark Watt is working to drive up attainment. So we will remain

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focused on something that is vitally important for young people and

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parents across the country. Ruth Davidson. The First Minister talks

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about her intention to improve them. With absolutely no acknowledgement

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that the figures are on her watch. Let's take another statistic. In

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science, the Sutton trust as this year reported on the pronounced and

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sustained decline in able people's performance under the SNP. Over the

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last decade since the SNP came to power, it says this decline is

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equivalent to around a year of schooling. I know that the First

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Minister is going to stand and answer to every question and tell me

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that everything is about to be sorted soon, but can she tell me why

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has this drop in standards happened on her watch? While I don't dismiss

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Enever statistics, I think Ruth Davidson does a disservice to young

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people and teachers across the country because set out before, we

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now see record numbers of higher and advanced higher passes in our

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schools. We also see record numbers of positive destinations, more young

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people going into employment, further education and training than

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has ever been the case before. We're seeing far fewer people from

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deprived communities leaving school without qualifications. We are also

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starting to see, and I want to see this going further, a narrowing of

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the gap between the least and most deprived areas in terms of access to

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university. It is not simply a case of standing here and seeing what my

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intentions are all my intentions are absolutely solid in terms of

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continuing to make improvements. But as I have just done, I can point to

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the improvements we have already made. We will get on with investing

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money, conducting reforms and supporting teachers and headteachers

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to make sure we see continued improvement for young people across

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the country. I stand next to no one in my admiration for the hard work

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our teachers do, but what they do is under guidance that is given and

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described by education experts. I will quote, self-evident lunacy.

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That is what is coming out of the government and its arms. Here is

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what parents think. They think this SNP government has presided over

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falling standards, has failed utterly to ensure that we have

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enough teachers in the classroom to turn that situation around. Here is

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yet another statistic. 4000 fewer teachers in Scotland's schools than

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there were in 2007. And we know that 16% of training places for English

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teachers are unfilled and over a quarter of training places for maths

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or vacant as well. There are possible solutions for this. We have

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councils in the rural communities saying that they want more

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flexibility to tackle this crisis themselves in a way that suits their

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circumstances. But they are having to hang around for an answer because

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John Swinney's promised review has been delayed and delayed again. It

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is a problem of the SNP's making. The councils are saying let us fix

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this now and the Education Secretary is saying, let Michu on this some

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more. Again I ask, why is this? In terms of the governance review, that

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is published on the recommendations we are to them forward. That will be

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published after we have properly analysed the submissions that have

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been made to that. One thing is certain, if past experience is

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anything to go by, as soon as we set out the direction of travel over the

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governance review, the other parties in this chamber who have been

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calling on us to do it for months will suddenly decide that they

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oppose everything that we have decided to do. I would absolutely

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lay bets on that. But the governance review, as Ruth Davidson knows, is

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one part of a wider package of reform, the national improvement

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framework, the attainment challenge, the attainment fund, the

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introduction of standardised assessment, which Labour used to

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support but again, as soon as we decided to do it, they decided to

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oppose it. The publication of school by school, local authority by local

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authority figures so that we can track exactly... There we go, the

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Liberal Democrats oppose those reforms. So what we see in this

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chamber, time and time again is opposition parties calling for

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things to be done and as soon as they are done, they decide to oppose

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them. So we will get on and take the action, backed by investment, that

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is delivering improvements in our schools and we will continue to

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deliver improvements. I am sorry but jam tomorrow does not cut it because

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with this SNP government, it's not just one statistic or two or three,

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it is a ten year record of failure and it's leaving a situation where

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according to the architect of curriculum for excellence, our

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schools can no longer be classed as world leading. So tomorrow we elect

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the councillors whose job it will be to support the councillors on the

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ground. The SNP says that education is a priority but doesn't their

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failure tell a different story? We are going into the local elections

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tomorrow pointing at the improvements being made in our

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schools and crucially pointing to the ?120 million of additional

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resources that is now in the hands of headteachers to drive

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improvement. I am standing here wondering why it is the case that if

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education was of any priority to conservatives, they are putting out

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around the country right now and leaflets. I got this one through my

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door. This leaflet mentions me or the SNP or independence, a grand

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total of 43 times. It mentions Ruth Davidson or the Tories just nine

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times, and one of those is her signature. It mentions her policies

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on education zero times. Because in this election, the Tories have not

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put forward a single policy on our schools, social care, roads,

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transport, anything. They have a constitutional obsession. So I'm

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getting on with raising standards in our schools. You cannot see in that

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picture but Ruth Davidson is having a good laugh at that. She asked the

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first minute what engagements she has planned. I have even more

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engagements to take forward the government's programme for Scotland.

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In 2015, the First Minister said she supported a 50p top rate of tax for

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those earning more than ?150,000 a year. In 2016, she changed her mind

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and said she did not support it when she had the power to deliver it. Now

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in 2017, without any sense of irony, the First Minister claims to support

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it again. Does she really expect people to believe this time around?

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Kezia Dugdale should probably listen more carefully. In 2016I said that

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if we only did this in Scotland, without the powers that we do not

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have to tackle tax avoidance, because they lie at Westminster,

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then the advice we had taken was that that could potentially lose

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revenue. I do not think that anybody in this chamber would seriously

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stand up and argue that we should put up attacks is the advice says

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that it would actually lead to a reduction in revenue. So we are

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going into a UK wide election in a few weeks' time and we will publish

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our manifesto in due course. But of course this is Kezia Dugdale, the

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leader of the Labour Party that just a few weeks ago published a local

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government manifesto saying that the council tax freeze and crippled

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local government, and yet is leading eight Labour led authorities into

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this election promising to freeze the council tax, so perhaps Kezia

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Dugdale would comment on that before coming here and asking me about the

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issue of taxation. For the First Minister, who spent ten years and

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two elections promising to scrap the council tax! I have just heard the

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First Minister saying we shouldn't bother trying to tax the rich

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because they will just find a way around it. The same argument the

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Tories have been making week in, week out for years. And the truth is

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that the SNP have voted against a 50p top rate of tax in this chamber

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no less than eight times. So much for stronger for Scotland. And there

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is a pattern developing here. Nicholas Sturgeon has spent her

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entire career campaigning for more powers to stop cuts to public

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services. She now has the power to do so but she refuses to use it. We

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have a ridiculous situation where a nationalist First Minister says that

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she wants to tax the rich but only if England does it first. Isn't it

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the case that Nicola Sturgeon has plenty of principles when she is

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campaigning but nothing but a list of excuses when she is power. --

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when she is in power. What I actually said, the problem was that

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we do not have the powers in this Parliament to stop the wealthiest

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potentially trying to avoid a higher rate of tax. I want these powers.

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Kezia Dugdale argues to keep these powers in the hands of a Tory

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government at Westminster. That is the difference. And you know, Kezia

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Dugdale cannot really expect to be taken seriously on the issue of tax

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because she has come here week after week saying that I should raise

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taxes, not just on the rich but on ordinary working people as well. She

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has come here week after week saying that the council tax freeze is

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wrong, yet we go into an election tomorrow with eight local

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authorities across this country promising to continue to freeze the

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council tax and each and every one of those councils is a Labour led

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council. How can Kezia Dugdale as a single shred of credibility on tax?

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I think voters tomorrow will make their own judgment on labour across

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this country. The council tax is unfair on progressive. How do we

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know that, because the SNP have been telling us that for ten years. -- on

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fear and regressive. There we have it, another excuse for why she will

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not ask the richest in society to pay the -- pay a bit more tax. She

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claims to back a 50p tax rate but you will not implement one here in

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Scotland. She claims to be protecting the SNL -- protecting NHS

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but local services across the country face cuts and closure on her

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watch. She claims that education is number one priority but spends every

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waking minute plotting how to force independence referendum. Does Nicola

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Sturgeon feel any guilt at all touring the country, warning against

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austerity when it is her government that has cut ?1.5 billion from

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council services? I will continue to do what I have done for the past few

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years which is to argue against austerity at source. That is what I

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will be campaigning for in this election. The difference between me

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and Kezia Dugdale is she does not want to scrap posterity, she wants

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to transfer the burden of austerity onto the shoulders of low-paid

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people write across this country. And why is that? Because she prefers

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to allow a Tory government at Westminster to take the big

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decisions about our economy rather than have them made here. But Kezia

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Dugdale is wrong in what she says about the NHS and about council

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services. The NHS budget is more than ?3 billion higher today than it

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was when this government took office. The number of NHS staff is

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10% higher almost than it was when we took office. We have the best

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performing accident and emergency department anywhere in the UK, ?120

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million going into the hands of head teachers, but I will come back to

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the central question. If Kezia Dugdale, albeit wrongly, is accusing

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the government of short-changing local authorities, then the question

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remains, why is it only Labour councils going into this election

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promising to freeze the council tax? Why are they not doing what SNP

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councils are doing and choosing to raise revenue for schools and social

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care? Kezia Dugdale has no credibility on this issue and I

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think from looking at her she knows it. One constituency supplementary

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from Jackie Baillie. Can the First Minister for halt to my constituents

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having to endure lengthy waiting lists in contrast to what she has

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just said about the NHS? Let me give an example. Mr Howie was told he

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needed to have a knee operation of the golden jubilee only for funding

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to be withdrawn by NHS Greater Glasgow. He is virtually unable to

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walk and is in constant pain. Can I ask the First Minister choir at the

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start of the financial year, when patients are in severe pain and the

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waiting time has been badly breached, why are Greater Glasgow

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rationing treatment and denying people the opportunity to have

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operations at another NHS hospital? And what action will the First

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Minister take to ensure that this man and many others like him get the

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fitment that he needs, and we put patient care first? NHS boards

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across the country are investing to make sure that we have short waiting

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times, and waiting times today are much shorter than they were when the

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government took office. Health boards are also focusing on making

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sure that those waiting the longest get priority in terms of treatment.

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I would say that what Jackie Baillie has outlined is certainly something

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I want to know the detail of. I do not have all the details but the

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Health Secretary has told me that she has spoken this morning to the

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Chief Executive of Greater Glasgow and Clyde health board about this

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case and it is being looked into, so what we have the detail of that I

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will ask Shona Robison to write to the member with the full details.

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Patrick Abhi. I want to ask the First Minister when the Cabinet will

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next meet. Tuesday. The First Minister accuses opposition parties

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of demanding changes on education and then complaining when the

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Scottish Government implements those changes. The greens have never

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argued that standardised testing or government structure is the root of

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the problem. We have never supported the splitting stripping of local

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authorities. What we have consistently argued is that

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resources are at the core of the question. If we want to recognise

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the thousands of teachers lost in Scotland, the hundreds of additional

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support teachers, classroom assistants, and a lack of resources

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available to local authorities, isn't it clear that that has to be

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the core of the solution to the problem? The greens are supporting

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reversing the cuts to local councils and that is an important and

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essential first start but isn't it clear that it has to be the

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beginning of a change which puts resources back into our local

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authorities so that they are able to support the professionals doing the

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job around the country? Patrick Harvie and I have something of a

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disagreement when it comes to education reform. I concede that is

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the case. It is important not that we strip local authorities of their

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responsibilities, that is not our attention, but we do give greater

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economy and control to local schools. Much of the evidence around

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how you drive improvements in education says that that, along with

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the capacity of teachers and the involvement of parents is how you do

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that. That is how we are taking for those reforms. I think it is vitally

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important that we have more rigour around both how performance is

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assessed, of pupils, and also how that is reported publicly. That is

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why we are introducing standardised assessment, not to replace the

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judgment of teachers but to inform their judgment so that there is more

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rigour around that and then we want to make sure that there is

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transparency around the performance of schools, so for the first time

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ever we are going down a road where we are publishing not sample surveys

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based on a couple of schools but conference of school by school data

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so that we can properly assess how we are performing. I think these are

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the right reforms. I will continue to carry on with them. Everybody

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across the school says they want to see this happen. -- everyone across

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the chamber. Where I have agreement with Patrick Harvie is on the issue

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of resources. We have always said that resources, in the hands of

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headteachers is a vital part of our attainment drive. That is why, as I

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have said on a of occasions already today, the ?120 million that goes

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directly to headteachers are a crucial part of that. Headteachers

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are then free to decide how that money is invested and if they want

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to invest in additional support and staff for learning staff, that is up

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to the headteachers. Of course that ?120 million fund is part of a wider

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attainment fund which totals ?750 million across this Parliament. So

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yes, resources and investment is crucial but I believe that we need

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to couple that with the reforms that will allow us to drive improvements

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faster. And I make no apology for that. I'm afraid I still do not

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believe that the Scottish Government has yet countered the concern that

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standardised testing, whatever its motivation, will end up being used

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for the same purposes as league tables, if they were called that.

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But I do not accept that's teachers want to be managers or headteachers

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want to be chief financial officers of their schools. I think they want

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to focus on what they are passionate about and what they are talented at,

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which is teaching and education and the life chances of young people.

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But if we want to reverse the decline, 4000 teachers lost, reverse

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the decline in other important professions, the overall level of

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resource needs to go higher. Over successive years we need to be

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resourcing local councils to make those decisions. The local

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government is willing to cap council tax rates at the national level

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without legislation. They are willing to tell England and Wales

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what the income tax rate should be but not willing to change them in

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Scotland more than an inch. Is it not very clear that we need to

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reject this Tory notion of Scotland as a higher tax part of the UK and

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make sure that people like the First Minister and myself pay a bit more

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tax into the plot to produce the resources that will go into

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education and make a difference to the life chances of every child in

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this country. Because of the decisions that we have made on

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higher rate taxpayers, we are paying more than higher rate taxpayers

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elsewhere in the UK. These are the right balance tax decisions that I

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think it is appropriate to take. At a time where inflation is rising and

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living standards are under pressure, I do not think it is right to

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increase income tax for those on the basic rate. Again, people are

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willing and free to take a different view but I think that is my view. On

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the issue of local government funding more generally, in the

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financial year that we are now in, there is available to local services

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additional spending powers of ?400 million. As Patrick Harvie said,

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some of that is down to the discussions that his party and my

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party had leading up to the agreement. There are more resources

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local government supporting local services. Let me assure Patrick

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Harvie that we have no interest in seeing headteachers be finance

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officers, but they need to be the leaders of learning that they need

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to be to drive improvement. These are sensible reforms and I think

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they will lead to improvements in our schools. I think it is right

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that we have vigorous and rigorous debate around these things but I am

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determined that we will take for these reforms and I am determined

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that we will be held to account on them, which is why the publication,

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and other people like to dismiss that as league tables, but that is

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the information that parents have access to to know how their local

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school is performing. It is information that the public,

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including other members of this chamber, then have access to to hold

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me and this government accountable. It is absolutely right and proper

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that we continue to make sure it is available. Some supplementary is,

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the first from Emma Harper. Last night on STV, Ruth Davidson repeated

:25:29.:25:35.

the fiction that under the new two child limit for tax credits a woman

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only needs to write her name into a box to prove they have had a

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subsequent child as a result of rape. Is this true? No, it is not

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true and Ruth Davidson knows it is not true. We had a powerful and

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emotional and emotive debate on the two child tax credit cap and I find

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it quite hard to believe that Ruth Davidson could have sat through that

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debate, as she did, and listen to some of the testimony, particularly

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a letter read out by Kezia Dugdale, and still go on television last

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night and say it was about ticking a box. I think that is disgraceful.

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More importantly, what it demonstrates, or at least what it

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gives the impression of, and I choose my words carefully, what it

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gives the impression of, because I hope this is not the case, is a

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complete lack of empathy for the emotional trauma that any woman in

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these circumstances would have to go through, of having to declare to a

:26:37.:26:40.

third party that their child had been conceived as a result of rape.

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A woman that is probably determined to do everything in our power to

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protect her child from being aware those facts. So I think it is really

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important that whatever disagreements we have around policy,

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and it beggars belief for me that anybody could defend the rape close,

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it falls into that category of a policy that is indefensible in my

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view. I think that is why the Tories are struggling so badly to defend

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it, but whatever our disagreements, when it comes to support for the

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most vulnerable people in our society, a bit of empathy, a bit of

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compassion and a bit less of the dismissive is just ticking a box

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would go down well from the Tories. -- a bit less of the dismissive as

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just ticking a box. Douglas Ross. The BBC have reported a response

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through Freedom of information from Police Scotland which shows that the

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number of serious assaults, murders and robberies are increasing in

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Scotland. What is the First Minister's response? The information

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that the BBC is reporting today is management information and it is

:27:47.:27:49.

important to stress that because it is not official figures. It may turn

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out that the official figures reflect the information that has

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been reported today but it is important that we point out the fact

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that sometimes that cannot be the case. The more substantive point is

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this. While figures fluctuate, what we are seeing in Scotland and have

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been seeing for quite some time is a long-term reduction in nonsexual

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violent crime. We have seen that for some time. There has been a 52%

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reduction in nonsexual violent crime from 2006 and 2015. In 2015-16, the

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latest year that statistics are available for, the number of

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homicide victims in Scotland was at its lowest level since comparable

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records began in 1976. So we always have to make sure we are supporting

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our police to keep all forms of crime low but we are seeing a

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long-term reduction in violent crime and we have to make sure that we

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continue to do everything possible to ensure that continues. That is

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one of the reasons why over the past number of years we have helped the

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police to bring in additional officers, at a time where thousands

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of police have been lost south of the border. That is why we continue

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to support our police to give the Liam Agnew growing job. Does the

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First Minister support the 10,000 people and more who have signed a

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petition against the imposition of a ?2 drop-off fee at Glasgow airport?

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Does the Minster agree that it will not reduce congestion and given that

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there are not great public transport links to Glasgow airport, a real

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link might have made a difference but the reality is that families

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going on holidays that they are entitled to will be forced to pay

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and it will not reduce congestion one bit, because in fact it is a

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smaller area and they are going to block drivers in and forced them to

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pay. Will the First Minister condemn this moneymaking venture? That is

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what it is and it has nothing to do with congestion. Will the First

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Minister genuinely, and I am raising this genuinely, First Minister,

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there is public fury at this. I think the public will appreciate

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your understanding that you do not think this is justified. Of course,

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I understand the concern of numbers of the public one of a change like

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this happens. I absolutely understand that many of my

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constituents, in common with MSPs across the chamber, use Glasgow

:30:26.:30:30.

airport regularly. My constituency is one of the closest geographically

:30:31.:30:33.

to Glasgow airport. So I understand that many people will have concerns.

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This is a matter for Glasgow airport and I think it is incumbent on them

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to make the case for why this is necessary and to have that case able

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to be scrutinised. Pauline McNeill raised the issue of an air link and

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obviously in the last Parliament and the one before that we had debates

:30:56.:30:59.

about the Glasgow airport rail link and for very good reasons we decided

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not to proceed with that at the time. What Pauline McNeill should be

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aware is that through the Glasgow and child Ally McCoist Valley City

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deal, funded jointly by the UK and Scottish governments, the council is

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now have the ability if they choose to have access to projects across

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Glasgow airport. -- Glasgow and Clyde Valley City deal. Whoever is

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in charge of the councils after tomorrow, let's hope they have the

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wherewithal to prioritise access to Glasgow airport if that is what they

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choose to do. And Does the First Minister not

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understand that her plans for the publication of school league stables

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can result in teachers teaching to the tests rather than concentrating

:31:44.:31:46.

on teaching our children in the round and that this may have the

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opposite effect to that which she intends? First Minister? I say this,

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in all sincerity. If Mike Rumble's understood properly what it was we

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were intending to publish, he wouldn't have asked that question.

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He would know the very premise of his question is wrong. Because, it's

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not the test score that is are being published, it's the performance of

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young people, the performance of young people against the curriculum

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of excellence, judged by teachers, informed by the test. Why is that

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important? Because it makes the teacher judgment more rigorous, but

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secondly, it avoids the narrowing of the teaching to the test because it

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is not only the skond starredised test scores that are taken into

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account. A teacher will also look at homework and the performance of

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children in schools. So can I say, again, in all sincerity to people

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across this chamber, let's have these debates but come to these

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debates informed of the facts of what we're doing, rather than your

:32:52.:32:54.

own prejudice about what we are doing and then perhaps we'll have

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meaningful debates in this chamber on this very important issue.

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APPLAUSE Question number 4, Kenneth Gibson?

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Thank you, Presiding Officer. To ask the First Minister what the Scottish

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Government's response is to Scotland's population rising to an

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all-time high of 5.4 million. We welcome the news that Scotland's

:33:16.:33:18.

population is growing, we know stimulating population growth is a

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key driver of sustainable economic growth. The figures published by the

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National Record of Scotland underlined the key role that

:33:27.:33:30.

migration has it play in our work to grow the population. There is

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prorobust evidence that confirmed our long standing view that migrants

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from outside the UK positively contributed to our society. They are

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mostly young, they most economically active and highly-qualified. So

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Scotland benefits significantly from the contribution made by people from

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across the world who've chosen to live, work and study here, bringing

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new skills and expertise and helping to underpin future economic growth

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and we should take every opportunity to tell them that they are very

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welcome here Kenneth Gibson? I thank the sfirs minister for that answer.

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- the First Minister. Moer than 2 million Scots emigrated in the half

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century before this. And we had been left with an economy swiftly

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overtaken by many others. Does the First Minister agree that while the

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population is increasing the number of excess deaths is of concern,

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despite the best efforts of the Presiding Officer and free movement

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of people will not only end Scotland's population growth but

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will lead to real skilled shortages. Well I thank the minister for

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thanking the Presiding Officer for his contribution but I better not.

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Latest figures show our population is increased by migration and that's

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why, and I make this point seriously, continued inward

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migration, and I know this can be unpopular in place, it is critical

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to maintaining population growth, which is critical to driving

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economic growth Fp current trends continue, net inward migration is

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contributed to be the main population driver for growth over

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the next 25 years. That's why, of all the things that should concern

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all of us about Brexit and the outcome of the Brexit negotiations,

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any serious restrictions to the ability of EU nationals to come and

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live in Scotland would be deeply damaging it our economy. So it is

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important that all of us across this chamber and all of us in mainstream

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politics have the courage to make that argument because if we allow

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the immigration and migration debate to be distorted, then we will damage

:35:43.:35:47.

our economy and our society as a result and these statistics are a

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stark reminder of that fact. Scotland has persistently attracted

:35:55.:35:57.

fewer migrants to come and live here, relative to other parts of the

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UK. In relation to our population share. Why does the First Minister

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think after ten years of SNP Government, Scotland is a relatively

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unattractive place for immigrants to come? What is disgraceful thing.

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What an utterly disgraceful thing for a Member of Parliament...

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APPLAUSE To stand up in this chairman berp

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and describe his own country as an unattractive place to live. Murdo

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Fraser, hang your head in shame. APPLAUSE

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As I've said before in this chamber, I remember the days and they are

:36:38.:36:41.

becoming dark, distant days, when Murdo Fraser used to be a serious

:36:42.:36:45.

politician, now it seems he must aspires to be a figure of fun in

:36:46.:36:49.

this chamber but the serious point here is this - we do have to

:36:50.:36:54.

encourage people to come here. One of the reasons why more migrants

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will settle in London and the south-east, is partly down to

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geography, which I think anybody applying a bit of common sense would

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grow but we've just had figures showing the contribution that inward

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migration is making to our population growth. So the real

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question is not the one Murdo Fraser posed. The real question is this -

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are we going to make sure, over these next few years

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... Or put barriers in the way of that? That is the big question and

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the big decision for Scotland in the next few years. Question #5, Liz

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Smith To ask the First Minister whether headteachers will require

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the agreement of the relevant local authority before a decision is made

:37:45.:37:48.

about how the pupil equity fund will be spent in their schools? I have

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been absolutely clear and the Deputy First Minister has been equally

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clear that the pupil equity funding scheme, the ?120 million of that

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will be used at the discretion of head teaches. The national

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operational guidance on the use of the funding sets out clear

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principles to support head teachers in their decision-making. They

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should work norther inship with each other and the local authority to

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share good practice, pool their knowledge and consider the use of

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funding but it is the discretion of head teaches that will be the

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central factor in deciding how that money is spent. Could I thank the

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First Minister for that reply. She's quite correct to say that John

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Swinney stated categorically on 13th September 2016 that under the

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Scottish Government reforms there would be a presumption of

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decision-making at school level. Could I ask her why it is, then,

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that from Scottish Government documents, it is very clear that

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there will be both national guidance and local authority guidance,

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compelling headteachers to agree the use of the pupil equity funding and

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the local authority, to be accountable to the local authority

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for how that money is deployed? Could the First Minister tell

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Parliament whether headteachers will ever have real automy or is it spin?

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This money is to be used at the discretion of headteachers. I think

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Liz Smith is misrepresenting, I'm sure not intentionally the intention

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and purpose of the guidance. Let me point to some of the content of the

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guidance which I know the Commission had wrongly claimed was highly

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prescriptive. The Drexes in that guidance refer to key principles

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that refer to activities funded by the pupil equity fund, firstly must

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be additional to current spend who. Could possibly disagree with that?

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Secondly it must be targeted at closing the Tynement gap. Who could

:39:44.:39:46.

possibly disagree with that? That's what it is for. Thirdly, it should

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be based on the evidence of what works. Again, that seems to me to be

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fairly sensible guidance. And next, that parents, children and young

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people should be involved in planning for the use of pupil equity

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funding. Again, I think that's common sense because, as I said in

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response to Patrick Harvie, there is evidence that the involvement of

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parents and young people in the initiative to drive improvement, are

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key. So, of course headteachers will share best practice with each other.

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Of course, as with any use of public money, there will be an

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accountability, not least a through the figures that are published about

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the performance of schools. Of course there will be account acted

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but this money is money to be spent at the discretion of headteachers,

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so, having called for this, I would've thought members across the

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chamber who have called for it would now support it and get behind it.

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Question number 6, Monica Lennon. To ask the First Minister what action

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the Scottish Government has taken to improve access to sanitary products?

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Well, the Scottish Government is actively considering what support we

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can provide for women and girls on a will he income to have access to

:40:58.:41:00.

sanitary products in a dignified way. Our Fairer Scotland action plan

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sets out the commitment to tackling poverty. However we know in the face

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of Tory welfare cuts and continued austerity that are pushing more and

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more people into poverty, it does seem we do this with one hand tied

:41:15.:41:19.

behind our back. Whether it is the bedroom tax, fair food fund,

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Scottish welfare fund or independent living fund, to name a few of the

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Scottish Government's policies, we are at mitigation of the bedroom

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tax, a Scottish Government policy, we spend hundreds of millions every

:41:30.:41:33.

year protecting the poorest and most vulnerable in our society from the

:41:34.:41:38.

worst excesses of a Tory Government these are resources we would rather

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be investing in further antipoverty measures not in mitigating or

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putting a sticking plaster on Tory cuts.

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I thank the First Minister for her answer. I welcome some of the steps

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the Government has outlined because last year when I asked the question

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I was told that the Government hasn't done any work to assess the

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issue and women could use food banks. But I feel we have moved on

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from then. Last year we had our first debate on the be score

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Parliament on periods Poff Tyne I have announced my intention to bring

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forward a members bill and since then there has been an outpouring of

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interest in this. In Scotland the SUS kr c. The NUS and the Scottish

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Youth Parliament and I could go on, they all support the proposals. No

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women or girl in 2017 should have to face the indignity of not having

:42:29.:42:32.

access to sanitary products during menstruation, there is no excuse why

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this should be the case in a progressive and wealthy country like

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Scotland. Does the First Minister agree with me that sanitary products

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are a necessity not a lucks rain that the Scottish Parliament should

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accordingly be taking all necessary action to enshrine that right of

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access into law? APPLAUSE

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First Minister Can I commend Monica Lennon for taking forward this

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issue. It is an important issue. I look forward to see the contents of

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her private member's bill and the government certainly is open to

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working in partnership as we explore the ways in which we can deal with

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this issue. I agree with her and I think any woman, I hope a lot of men

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but every woman would agree that sanitary products are not a luxury,

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they are a necessity and we should not have a situation where women are

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forced into situations of indignity because they are on incomes that

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can't support the purchase of these products. So, as Monica Lennon has

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acknowledged the Government Scottish, led by Angela Constance is

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exploring a number of ways in which we can help with the issue of period

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poverty and I know Angela Constance would be happy to talk further with

:43:41.:43:44.

Monica Lennon, as our consideration of these issues develop. I hope this

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Parliament can come to a consensus and agreement about ways in which we

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can, in a enmoogful way, help here and the Scottish Government is

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certainly keen to do that. It would make a welcome change to be talking

:43:58.:44:01.

about how we help women in vulnerable positions, rather than

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debating the ways in which certain others in certain other places are

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trying to penalise women in vulnerable positions.

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Question number 7, Mark B Russian sskel? To ask the First Minister how

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the High Court justice to publish its pollution strategy and how it

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impacts on Scotland? At the publication of the strategy, rather

:44:29.:44:31.

than content I understand the UK Government has now decided not to

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appeal the decision and will consulted on the updated action

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plan. The Scottish Government is committed to promoting air quality.

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The UK action plan will include a contribution from the Scottish

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Government setting out how we intend to deliver further air quality

:44:46.:44:47.

improvements in Scotland through the actions we set out in our own air

:44:48.:44:51.

quality strategy, cleaner air for Scotland, the road to a Heatier

:44:52.:44:56.

future and also by establishing Scotland's first low emissions zone.

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Can I thank the myrrhs stin forefor that response but Presiding Officer

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I'm in the prepared it put my family at Ricks any more on Scotland's

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polluted streets. It is a public health crisis. 2,000 people die

:45:10.:45:13.

every year not just in the First Minister's city but across Scotland.

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The UK Government's plans were slated by the High Court. They rely

:45:17.:45:20.

on dodgy emissions data from car companies while putting off aeks to

:45:21.:45:23.

saves lives today. The Scottish Government has made the same errors,

:45:24.:45:29.

and it captured by the same ruling. When will the First Minister step

:45:30.:45:33.

out of the shadow of the toxic Tory plans and urge lently review

:45:34.:45:38.

Scotland's Clean Air strategy, include funding more than a solitary

:45:39.:45:42.

low emissions zone? Well, obviously I'm not responsible for the UK

:45:43.:45:47.

Government's plans. I am responsible for the plans the Scottish

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Government put forward and you know on this, as on any other issue we

:45:51.:45:53.

are happy to discuss with other parties in the chamber how we

:45:54.:45:56.

improve the plans that we have in place but I think it is important to

:45:57.:46:01.

point out that we, in Scotland, we are meeting both domestic and

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European air quality targets across much of the country, although, there

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are still hotspots of poorer air quality in a number of areas,

:46:09.:46:12.

particularly urban areas and it is an issue that interests me hugely,

:46:13.:46:18.

not just as First Minister, but as an MSP representing an urban

:46:19.:46:21.

constituency. All local authorities with air quality management areas

:46:22.:46:25.

now have action plans in place and the Scottish Government is working

:46:26.:46:28.

with these authorities, including with Glasgow City Council to help

:46:29.:46:32.

implement the plans and deliver air quality improvement. Another point

:46:33.:46:36.

that I think it is important to stress is that we have set actually

:46:37.:46:40.

more stringent air quality targets than the rest of the UK has.

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Scotland is the first country in Europe to legislate for particular

:46:47.:46:52.

matter, 2.5, a pollutant that is a concern for human health and we are

:46:53.:46:55.

providing practical and financial support to local authorities. So

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we'll continue to take actions to address what I absolutely agree with

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the member is an issue of the utmost importance and the Environment

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Secretary I know will be happy to speak to the member, if he wishes

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to, in order to take his views about how we strengthen these plans,

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further. Could the First Minister provide

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further details on the work underway to deliver Scotland's first low

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emissions zone? Well, we are working with local authorities and indeed

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with other partners, to develop the first Low Emission Zone, which will

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improve health and help create better places to live, to work and

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for people to visit. A national modelling framework has been

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developed to provide the evidence base in designing the zone and the

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vehicle restrictions needed to deliver air quality improvement. The

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Des igs nation of low emissions zones is of course a matter for

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local individual individuals but we look forward to agreeing with them

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the location of the first zone, once the new administrations are in

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place, following tomorrow's election. Thank you very much, that

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concludes... Point of order Yesterday the Scottish Government

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issued a press release announcing a regeneration project in Glasgow

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which everyone knows is an SNP target. I have written to the

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Permanent Secretary of the Scottish Government to complain against the

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clear be possibility that purdah guidance was ignored. Can you advise

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if there are any grounds to bring the minister in question before this

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Parliament, next week, to explain how on earth a government

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announcement, with the clear possibility of influencing party

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politics, was allowed to go out? Can I thank for the point of order.

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I think these sort of questions are matters for the Ministerial Code and

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should be persued with the Scottish Government directly. That condition

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cluds First Minister's Questions. We will move on to general quest.

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STUDIO: Well, there we have it. Conclusion of questions to the First

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Minister. A little sting in the tail there, in that point of order from

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Ross Thompson reminding us of course the chamber was ex-or sized by the

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spending elections. The elections to the local government taking place

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tomorrow. The UK general election on June 8th but it was also the

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Scottish Government's record that kanld a fair bit of scrutiny there,

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didn't it. We have Sev Carrell and Lynsey Bews It was actually

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refreshing to be back on a domestic agenda. We concern ourselves with UK

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Government poll sane finally in First Minister questions the

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Scottish Government were under attack on domestic record. For what

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it is woerted I think Ruth Davis son was on a strong topic area. I

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thought she pulled the punches somewhat. She could have' been more

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aggressive I thought say on bringing forward the SNP manifestos from 2007

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and the last Scottish Government elections as well, and saying - you

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have been here before, you have promised this before, and what have

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have you dedelivered a decline in performance. But it wasn't a muted

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performance in response but there was the first anyonester was

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cautious, little bomb boost, she is defending a record which she knows

:50:21.:50:25.

is not that wonderful right now. She z she acknowledged there were issues

:50:26.:50:28.

that need to be worked on in education and then of course she

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went on to list all of the measures the Government is taking. The

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trouble is, the Opposition parties are saying it is taking a very long

:50:36.:50:39.

time for Government to make progress on this. The Government, for

:50:40.:50:45.

example, originally results were due to be published earlier, before

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government elections now delayed until later and Liz Smith coming in

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later with concerns over exactly what is going to be contained in

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this governance review. Some of the draft guidance already out there for

:50:57.:50:59.

money going to head teaches, concerns over how much local

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authorities are going to be able to influence how headteachers spend

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that money. Sev, rather an effective bit of business towards the end what

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wr she held up a Conservative leaflet which wr she said it

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mentioned the SNP 43 times and education the square root of

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nothing. My heart sank. This is something politicians will use.

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They'll hold up that single leaflet, having had a dozen or maybe 15

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through the letterbox. I certainly had 12, 15, perhaps even 20 through,

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some repeated times from one particular party We know parties

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already target particular members with particular messages and I'm

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sure the Tories could point to other leaflets. It was a good hit on the

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day, effective. But we see these two often in my view, I'm afraid. Let's

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turn to the questions from Kezia Dugdale, on taxation, the 50p rate

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that's become a mantra for Labour and the First Minister giving her

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response, her explanation. Ye, Kezia Dugdale pointing out, you look back

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to 2015, Sturgeon sting and the SNP backing that a 50p top rate - across

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the UK. . The key point. And in 2016 it'll cost us money if we bring it

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in in Scotland, top rate tax payers could leave the country and we could

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lose, I think she said at the time, ?30 million worth of tax, so we're

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not going to do it. Hinting yesterday, again this could be a

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pledge the SNP put forward again. I think it does expose, you know,

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really how much influence the SNP can have at Westminster, when they

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are putting forward policies that would have to be introduced across

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the whole of the UK in order for them to back them. And finishing

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with a stinger towards Kezia Dugdale, saying - what was t you are

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looking out of place, and you know it, you are looking like a loser

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basically was what she was trying to say. Yes and she put the boot in and

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highlighted last week the fact that some Labour councils have promised

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to freeze the council tax and Kezia Dugdale is talking about using

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taxation to raise revenue well there is the chance and some Labour

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councils not taking that chance. And briefly, Sev, the Green position,

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Patrick Harvie trying to take a purist position saying we have never

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asked for them, the other parties are. Yes he managed a universal

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response to everything. He brought in school testing and the 50p too,

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rate... Through a single question Exactly But he was coming at the SNP

:53:35.:53:39.

as a kind of friendly critic saying - you can do, you can improve on

:53:40.:53:45.

school performance by investing more through higher taxation. So Nicola

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Sturgeon didn't entirely get off the hook on the 50p tax request that

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Kezia Dugdale had taken up. We have a little shotty. Leaders don't get

:53:58.:54:01.

their chance each we are, you will notice that Willy Rennie it wasn't

:54:02.:54:06.

his turn to get a question in to the First Minister. We thought it was

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unfair, we gave him an opportunity. My colleague, Glenn Campbell spoke

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to Willy are enany the Liberal Democrat leader. The SNP have a

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record of just over 10 years. The economy is teetering on the edge of

:54:20.:54:23.

a recession, we have educational records slumping down the rankings

:54:24.:54:27.

and a mental health strategy that's way behind where it should be.

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That's the record of the SNP in Government ie. ' Quite happy to deal

:54:31.:54:34.

with that in this election campaign. -- I'm happy. It is about time we

:54:35.:54:39.

got these people out of power. Of in terms of the opinion polls, whether

:54:40.:54:44.

it is the local elections or the general election, the SNP still

:54:45.:54:48.

appear to be the dominant force in Scottish politics. How are you going

:54:49.:54:52.

to go about changing that? Well, let's see what happens in this

:54:53.:54:56.

election campaign. Because I think what we will see is one of the

:54:57.:54:59.

biggest changes in public opinion since 2014. We will see the SNP

:55:00.:55:02.

going down over the course of the general election campaign. And the

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Liberal Democrats will be on the rise. I can see us, with our unique

:55:06.:55:08.

position of standing up for Scotland in the United Kingdom and the United

:55:09.:55:11.

Kingdom in the European Union, together with our progressive

:55:12.:55:13.

package of policies, on mental health and education, that we will

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garner more support in this campaign. Well there, we have T

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reckons, of course, he is going to get more. The others all say the

:55:22.:55:26.

same. Hey, these are elections, local elections tomorrow, UK

:55:27.:55:30.

election on June 8th. Still joined by my colleagues heemplt let's talk

:55:31.:55:33.

about the local elections first, they've tended to be swamped since

:55:34.:55:36.

Theresa May made the announcement but these are significant elections

:55:37.:55:40.

in themselves, 32 councils, what would count as a significant result

:55:41.:55:44.

do you think? Obviously each councillor wants top win. We have

:55:45.:55:48.

some magic numbers, we have 18 local authorities in Scotland where Labour

:55:49.:55:51.

are either in overall control or partial control. We'll need to see

:55:52.:55:55.

how many Labour lose. There is a significant question - they could

:55:56.:55:59.

actually lose all of them, or find themselves having to struggle back

:56:00.:56:03.

into power by going to coalition, very difficult question of going

:56:04.:56:07.

into coalition with the Tories, potentially with the SNP in

:56:08.:56:10.

Edinburgh. The other question, are the opinion polls which show the SNP

:56:11.:56:15.

45%, the Tories nudging 30 and Labour at 14 or 15 or maybe up to

:56:16.:56:21.

18, going to be borne out by the turnout tomorrow and the other

:56:22.:56:25.

question is ssh will the turnout be significant? Can we really place a

:56:26.:56:29.

loss the lot of reliance of that, as huge opinion poll ahead of the June

:56:30.:56:33.

8th election? If advance of that June 8th election, what would

:56:34.:56:38.

tomorrow? Does it offer pointers to it or a differential turnout,

:56:39.:56:40.

entirely different elections s it dangerous to be making too many

:56:41.:56:44.

assumptions from tomorrow? I think it is dangerous to be making too

:56:45.:56:48.

many broad assumption abouts what could happen in the general

:56:49.:56:50.

election, it is a different voting system as some of ev said, turnout

:56:51.:56:55.

is generally low, so it is difficult for parties to get a grasp of the

:56:56.:56:59.

national picture. Maybe it'll difficult some steps to parts of the

:57:00.:57:03.

country where supports is particularly weak or strong and

:57:04.:57:07.

maybe it can inform where they need it campaign strategically across the

:57:08.:57:11.

country. And very, very briefly, Sev, the UK general election will

:57:12.:57:14.

dominate after tomorrow. It dominates now, doesn't it? Indeed it

:57:15.:57:18.

does. We are now going to have to, this is like a phoney war and we're

:57:19.:57:22.

going to kick into a new phase. Next week After next weekend. Of course

:57:23.:57:27.

England has council elections too. Next week will when it begins in

:57:28.:57:31.

earnest. What, four-and-a-half weeks, five weeks to gnchts I

:57:32.:57:35.

believe so. It could be great fun. We'll all watch out for T we had the

:57:36.:57:39.

local elections already planned, but now we'll be turning our attention

:57:40.:57:43.

to the small matter of a UK general election as well. All of those

:57:44.:57:46.

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:57:47.:57:51.

entire session was permeated by elections from. Me, Brian Taylor,

:57:52.:57:53.

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