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set of negotiations between the UK and Scottish Government. As of now, | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
no sign particularly of a deal emerging. We shall see. That is the | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
end of coverage here from First Minister's Questions. Time to hand | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
you over to The Daily Politics. was that 1983 general election. If | :00:10. | :00:18. | |
you recall - I'm sure you do, Andrew, although not all your | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
listeners will - it was Enoch Powell during the election campaign who | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
said, "We have now been in the European Community for ten years, | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
increasingly our economy and society, everything is | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
increasingly our economy and emmeshed, if we don't leave now, it | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
is too late, it is over, we are then in there forever." That was very | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
much the pitch on which the Labour Party, unsuccessfully fought the | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
election. In '83 you fought with a manifesto to withdraw. The manifesto | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
said it was incompatible with a radical, socialist agenda. Well, a | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
will the has changed since then. Well, I don't know, you may have a | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
leader who wants a radical, Well, I don't know, you may have a | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
socialist agenda? What I mean is, among the things that have changed | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
is when we were arguing we could come out and have a sustainable | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
trading relationship, etc, we had trade links with the after | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
countries. We still had links with the Commonwealth. All those | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
countries, pretty much, nearly all, are in the European Union now. One | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
of the things we said in our campaign - these six countries are | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
not Europe. You are a bit pushed to say it is not Europe. It is so many. | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
Speaking of Europe, we welcome a part of it, Scotlands joins us, we | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
have been watching First Minister questions. We are talking Europe | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
with Margaret Becker, the former Labour Defence Secretary. Are we to | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
be suspicious about how enthusiastic that Mr Jeremy Corbyn and Mr | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
McDonnell, the shadow Chancellor are aboutp Euro-scepticism? I don't | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
think so. The hard left of the Labour Party has always been anti-EU | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
at least and very eurosceptic at most. Well, I think once you start | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
to really look at the issues, in a perhaps a way that not everybody on | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
the hard left has done before, you begin to realise what a difference | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
it would make and the fact that there were very strong rumour that | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
is our present government wanted to unpin some of that social Europe | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
that Jacques delower talked about, underpin it, it destroy it. Unpick | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
It, that I think, again, confirmed to people in our party that, yes, | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
this is actually, with all its faults and all the need for reform | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
there is, this is where we should be. And you would vote to stay in, | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
even if Mr Cameron had achieved nothing? Many people don't think he | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
has achieved a lot. But even if he had achieved nothing. Even if he | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
said after the election - right let's have a referendum now on our | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
existing terms of membership, you would vote to stay? I probably | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
would. Shrimp - not because I'm a Europe fanatic, but because the | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
alternatives are so undesirable. I don't think there is. There is so | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
much dishonesty. All this talk about how we stop free movement of Labour. | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
There is no country that trades with the European Union that doesn't have | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
to abide by the free movement of Labour. Well there are a lot of | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
countries with free trade arrangements with Europe and they | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
don't have free movement of people Nothing of the significant players | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
around like Norway or Switzerland, with whom we are always compared. | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
Canada? Well, that's rather a separate issue. It is a free trade | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
arrangement They are not in our neck of the woods, so to speak. Also, it | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
leaves out of consideration how, if we vote to come out, how the rest of | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
Europe is going to feel to us? Are they going to feel warm and generous | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
and - yes, OK let's give you a more preferential trading arrangement. I | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
suspect not. Time will tell, depending on how we vote. | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
Now last month Labour published Margaret's long-awaited report | :04:00. | :04:00. | |
into why the party lost last year's General Election. | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
But one Labour pollster who carried out research for the report wasn't | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
Here's what Deborah Mattinson told the Sunday Politics last month. | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
I would say that my conclusions were very different from Margaret | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
Beckett's. I did brief Margaret Beckett so, I was somewhat | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
disappointed not to see some of that reflected back. Yes, I think she | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
picked up on the economy. But there was actually no analysis - it's | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
reduced down effectively to one Bullet point in the report. Quite | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
apologetic. Lots of defensive stuff in there but nothing that actually, | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
really, I felt shone a light on what had gone wrong. I think it was a | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
white wash. I think it was a massive, missed opportunity. So, | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
Deborah Mattinson calls your report a white wash. What is your response? | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
Well I'm sorry I have a lot of respect for Deborah who has done a | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
lot of good work for the Labour Party in her time but I thought it | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
was a rather silly thing to say, to be perfectly frank. By the way, the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
work she did was not commissioned for our task force, it was | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
commissioned separately for Harriet Harman as something to inform her | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
period of leadership. But, yes, we were briefed about it. What hasn't | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
come out in these conversations is it was actually quite a restricted | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
group of people. Deborah herself acknowledged that when she briefed | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
us. It was a restricted tight group of people she bass talking to. The | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
reason we were briefed about it shall she was talking to. The reason | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
we were briefed was because I asked what information we could have that | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
could come in from the general public, rather than from around the | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
party or professional pollsters. What is there if anything that could | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
tell us where the general public were coming from. All this was was | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
this one, set of ideas, no, it was comments, really, but, from, as I | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
say a Retallick stricted single group. Only -- a really restricted | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
single group. Only because there was no money to do more. You didn't | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
criticise the Labour leader, you called the manifesto an impressive | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
document you blamed the Tories, the SNP, you blamed the media, naturally | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
t didn't seem to be Labour's fault. When you see that, it does seem to | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
be a white wash I don't think that's what the report did say. There are | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
two groups of people who have responded to the report, one is a | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
group that approached it with a relatively open mind and another is | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
a group that approached it in their own various ways with axes ready to | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
grind. I didn't ignore the fact of some of the things that the | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
Conservatives had done, some of the ways they had played T I didn't | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
ignore some of the other players, I touched on the issue of the media. I | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
could have written a back about that, I didn't, I touched on T I did | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
not excuse - I said, "We failed." Our job was to try to create trust | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
in our economic policy, in our approach on immigration, in our | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
approach on welfare and we failed. Did you speak to Ed Miliband for the | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
report? Yes. Did you tone it down a bit as a result? You were very kind | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
to him. I know a lot of people will disagree. You may be one of them. | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
But what I said about Ed Miliband's leadership is what I believe and had | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
believed all the way through. I didn't tone it down out of kindness. | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
I thought Ed did a much better job than he was given credit for. If I | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
can say to you, one of the things that I think people who are critical | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
are overlooking, who the report was for and what it had to take into | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
account. There is a sense in which we all know why we lost the | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
election, everybody knows that, because of the issues we didn't get | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
trust on but one of the things that certainly people in the Labour Party | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
wanted to know is - but why did we do well in some parts of the country | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
and not in others? What happened with the opinion polls? Why did they | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
mislead us? People wanted the answers to those questions as well | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
and that's what we tried to do. Well you cite reasons to be positive | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
about Labour now, including Jeremy Corbyn, as one of the reasons to be | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
positive. So, do you no longer regard yourself as a moron, your | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
words, not mine, for nominating Mr Jeremy Corbyn? It wasn't my word it | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
was John - I have forgotten his name, somebody who worked in number | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
ten, he said it, I referred to it, in a radio interview, he said t and | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
I said I'm one of them. I'm not resiling from that. Are you, or are | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
you not? I didn't intend, Jeremy, to have a serious chance of being the | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
leader when I nominated him. I have been quite open about that, there is | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
no point in pretending. He has been elected overwhelmingly. My hope, if | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
you like, prayer, is that you can do the same miracle with the public as | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
he managed to do with members of the Labour Party. Do you think that will | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
require a miracle? Neither you or eye could have predicted it. No, not | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
at all. Not even Mr Jeremy Corbyn could have predicted it. | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
Let's return to our main story - the EU referendum. | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
We will be hearing a lot about it between now and when we think the | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
referendum will be, the end of June, possibly. | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
David Cameron admitted yesterday that the draft deal on the UK's | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
membership of the EU is "not perfect". | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
But he added that Britain's position would be stronger and better | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
Not so, say his critics, who argue that Britain will be | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
Among them is Conservative MP, David Davis, who has been giving | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
The thin gruel has been further watered down, | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
My right honourable friend has a fortnight, I think, | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
in which to salvage his reputation as a negotiator. | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
This is a process and he might not get what he wants. | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
Now I understand he won't able to come to Manchester | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
because he is still in the negotiations, | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
but could he come on February 19th to our Go conference then, | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
if he doesn't get what he wants and would it be possible for me | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
to drop off at tie at Downing Street for him? | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
My honourable friend is always very generous with his time, | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
with his advice and now also with his clothing. | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
I feel the blazer is soon to follow... | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
I won't be able to come, I don't think on February 19th. | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
I hope I will still be in the thick of negotiations but I of course | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
will report back to this House and give the results. | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
That was the Prime Minister. Let's speak it David Davis who joins us | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
now. So summarise for us what would | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
Britain's position be outside the EU? Well, it looks, I spent this | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
morning giving a great - long lecture on the current benefits and | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
what we could get outside. We would be better off in terms of global | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
trade. We can do greater trade deals than the European Union does on our | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
bha. We would not lose anything in temples our access to the European | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
markets. Apart from anything else, the German car industry alone would | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
have a $16 billion market put at risk and Merkel, politicians would | :11:15. | :11:23. | |
not allow that. There is a very not easy but straightforward | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
negotiation. You think we would get the advantages and pay no price for | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
that access? The only area where it won't work is on agriculture where | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
we would have to have some particular deal and subsidise | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
British farming in a free market position. Other than that, it is | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
pretty straight - it is pretty clear that the end game would be a free | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
market arrangement. Just as they have just struck with Canada. They | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
have just - Canada is a famously free market, world market. I used to | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
work in Canada, you buy sugar in Canada, it is world market sugar, | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
everything is world market. They have struck it with Canada. If they | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
When you talk about the single anybody. | :12:01. | :12:08. | |
When you talk about the single market you are talking about | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
manufactured products and not services. 70% of our GDP is | :12:11. | :12:18. | |
services. It does not follow that is Europe widens and deepens the single | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
market that our services would get the same access as if we were | :12:22. | :12:30. | |
inside. That is right if we ... There is not really a single market | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
in services now. When the EU does free trade agreements with the rest | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
of the world, 20 odd agreements, in only six of them were services | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
mentioned. If we did our own they would the mentioned every time, | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
banking will be left out completely because of the sensitivities in | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
Europe. If we did a TTIP ourselves it would be in. There are balances | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
and they look squarely in favour... So we would not have too continue | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
with the free movement of people in the single market? We are talking | :13:08. | :13:18. | |
after a Brexit referendum. Several million votes will be about | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
migration so no government could offer anything on free movement, | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
they would need absolute governmental control of borders. The | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
Europeans understand that and at the end of the day European | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
negotiations, I have been there and done it, are about national | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
interest. No national government, Angela Merkel, they are not going to | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
give up the interests of their major industries to promote the European | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
ideal. That may be logical. It's also political. What about the point | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
Margaret Beckett was making earlier? Europe could be so angry as a result | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
of us leaving that they may not be inclined to be as generous with the | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
single market as you think. There could be an element of Britain | :14:04. | :14:14. | |
leaving and not suffering, getting the benefits without having to sit | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
in the European Parliament and on the European Council, others may | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
follow. So they will be tougher on us. That bit is certainly true but | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
judging from history what normally happens is that if we have Brexit | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
there will be three months of screaming and shouting and threats | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
and then they calmed down. The day after Brexit happens the Chief | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
Executive 's dogs barking, BMW, Audi and Mercedes -- of Volkswagen. They | :14:43. | :14:52. | |
would be queueing up saying that we have do have access for the 16 | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
billion market. What do you say to that? It is pie in the sky, frankly. | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
I know David was the Europe minister at one time but I have had a bit of | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
experience myself over something like ten or 11 years of intense | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
negotiation on agriculture and climate change. I just think, if I | :15:15. | :15:22. | |
can say so with some modesty I pride myself on my negotiation track | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
record. The risks are huge and the certainties are non-. What's | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
interesting in the last decade, people always say this will give us | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
huge leveraged. If you look at the way we are treated, we lose twice as | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
many votes as anyone in Europe. Just now, David Cameron has asked for a | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
really trivial set of demands and haven't even been given them. If you | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
look at something really important like the free trade agreements that | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
Europe strikes with other countries and areas of the world, we lose out | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
in two thirds of them and that is how much influence we have in Europe | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
now. We do better. If you want to go down this road you need someone | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
strong to sell the message and it looks as though it won't be Theresa | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
May leading believing campaign? That is up to Teresa. I have no idea. | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
Boris Johnson? You would need to get Boris to answer that question. But | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
you speak to these people all the time. To be honest I don't think it | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
matters that much, beyond the M25 what matters is this, what will this | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
do for the 3 million jobs that get thrown around, my job, my welfare, | :16:42. | :16:50. | |
my interest, and they will make that decision not on whether a blonde | :16:51. | :17:00. | |
bombshell makes it. It's not for me. I tried. You did. | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
Now we know that tossers are commonplace in politics, | :17:05. | :17:06. | |
but did you know that tossing is, in fact, a vital part | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
Yes, in Iowa earlier this week, some of the Democratic caucuses | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
literally came down to the toss of a coin. | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
But coin tosses have been used plenty of times in democratic | :17:20. | :17:21. | |
elections, as have other random selection methods. | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
In sport it is used at the start of a match and in politics it is used | :17:24. | :17:34. | |
to end one. Coin tosses are a rare sight and only used in the event of | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
a tie and when there are rounding errors. Monday's Iowa Democratic | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
caucus was one of the history books as Hillary Clinton tied with her | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
rival Bernie Sanders in six precincts so it was down to look to | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
decide and Clinton won them all, one 64 chance. It's not the only time | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
that the random factor has been harnessed for democracy, the mayor | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
of a town in Peru was decided when the top two candidates tied at 236 | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
votes each, not a huge turnout. It's not always coin tossing, cutting | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
cards and drawing lots. The legal position is that the winning coin | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
toss is considered a vote. As it was with the Bari council elections in | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
2011. After three and recounts it was a dead heat in Ramsbottom. They | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
are obliged to produce a result and they were clutching at straws. It | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
has never happened yet at a UK general election but if it does one | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
imagines that the loss of a toss might make the defeated candidate | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
flipping annoyed. Well joining me now from Norwich | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
is Lana Hempsell, a Conservative councillor who actually won | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
an election on the toss of a coin, and Rene Linstaedt, an expert | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
on American politics Welcome. In Iowa it was necessary in | :18:56. | :19:03. | |
some of the caucuses to flip a coin because it was a dead heat for | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
Sanders and Clinton? Part of the problem was that in some of these | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
caucus sites, individuals that had registered had actually left prior | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
to being counted, and the overall number of registered caucusgoers was | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
higher than individuals left, so not all of the delegates could be | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
assigned to the candidates. Do we know how many ended up tossing a | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
coin? I don't know exactly what the number is, but it happened a number | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
of times. It's not surprising because there are such a small | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
number of individuals involved that you would either have a situation | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
where there is a tie or because it is so unorganised, the whole | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
process, people would just leave. Did they have a recount? Well, yes. | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
That is what we would do. They counted the number of individuals, | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
and some in one of the district 's people had gone so there was nothing | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
they could do. You won your council seat on the toss of a coin, how many | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
recounts were there before it was decided to resolve it? We had three | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
recounts in total so it was close on the first one and then we get three | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
more and it was a dead heat. I see. A coin was tossed. Did you choose | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
heads or tails? I chose heads and it was a split-second decision because | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
the coin was already flying before I was asking if anyone got to choose | :20:43. | :20:50. | |
and as it was landing I shouted out heads because my agent nudged me. Do | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
you still have the coin, it must be your lucky coin? No, this was | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
Broadlands, the coin went back into the pocket of the returning officer. | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
He spent it on a diet Coke later on. How did your opponent feel? Did they | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
feel cheated? Did they think in the end it was a fair way of resolving | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
the matter? He wasn't there at the count so I have no idea why he | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
didn't turn up, but I was there to bask in the glory all by myself. I | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
did see him later and he did not think it was fair. And there were | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
questions about double sided coins etc. You could have said heads I | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
win, tails you lose and he would not object as he was not there! The New | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
Hampshire primary, not a caucus, if it is closed their there will be | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
recounts an recounts rather than tossing a coin. -- if it is close | :21:51. | :21:58. | |
there. Sometimes delegates are proportionally split so you do not | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
need to toss a coin? 49.6 versus 49.4. That is true. It can happen in | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
smaller states where you have ties and it certainly happens all the | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
time in smaller elections for City councils. Because you were asking | :22:14. | :22:22. | |
earlier about elections, Federal elections in the US or national | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
elections here, it actually hasn't happened. Who will win New Hampshire | :22:26. | :22:34. | |
for the Democrats? It will be close. I know that. I'm not in the business | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
of making predictions. CHUCKLES Thank you both. | :22:40. | :22:40. | |
There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz. | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
The question was what narrowly missed hitting Margaret | :22:46. | :22:46. | |
report into why Labour lost the election? | :22:47. | :22:57. | |
Maybe Deborah Mattinson through it! I'm just joking. | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
So Margaret, what's the correct answer? | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
It was a mobile phone dropped from the press gallery. By accident? | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
Presumably. And we're joined now | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
by the fellow who nearly Can we just clear this up, it was | :23:14. | :23:15. | |
Tom Newton Dunn is on the phone now. Can we just clear this up, it was | :23:16. | :23:27. | |
entirely an accident? I can confirm it was not an assassination attempt. | :23:28. | :23:28. | |
It was entirely an accident. it was not an assassination attempt. | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
Margaret, let me say that I'm incredibly sorry and I was utterly | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
mortified that I almost hit you on the head. Thank you very much for | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
taking it in the right way. To be fair it was a bipartisan attack | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
because Cheryl Gillan was next to me. It could have gone either way. | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
We agreed that former Cabinet ministers who are women are not | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
popular! Did the phones survive? It fell 20 feet and it did. I won't say | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
what type of phone it is on the BBC but it is still intact. Cheryl | :24:07. | :24:18. | |
Gillan tweeted me to say that if I had been four inches to the left I | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
would have killed two birds with one stone. I think we will say goodbye | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
there. Thank you very much. Thank you to my guests especially Margaret | :24:28. | :24:28. | |
Beckett. I will be back at you to my guests especially Margaret | :24:29. | :24:40. | |
on BBC One for this week when we will have Michael Portillo and Alan | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
Johnson and we may talk about Europe, who knows? I will be back | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
also here tomorrow on BBC Two with the Daily Politics | :24:50. | :24:50. |