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Good afternoon and a Happy New Year from all of us at Politics Scotland. | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
The First Minister announces the introduction of standardised | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn reshuffles his frontbench team, | :00:27. | :00:34. | |
Here at Westminster: MPs return to the Commons, | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
as the fallout from that reshuffle continues. | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
The First Minister has announced details on how standardised testing | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
will be introduced in Scotland's primary schools. | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
Some critics have raised concerns that the results could be used | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
to draw up "league tables" for primary schools. | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
Our political correspondent Andrew Kerr is at the Scottish | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
What did she have to say? Good afternoon. The First Minister was | :01:00. | :01:12. | |
speaking at a conference for teachers in Glasgow a short time | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
ago, she just finished half an hour ago. At the centre of this is they | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
are trying to close the attainment gap between well off and poorer | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
children so the tests have been introduced to target children and | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
Key stages during their education. Aaron Rai one, four, seven and | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
secondary three. -- primary one. They will be national in 2017 and | :01:37. | :01:45. | |
tested in 2016. It is to gauge the effectiveness of a child's work to | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
inform their teacher and parent how well the tiled is doing so their | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
education can be specifically tailored to them. -- the child. The | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
Liberal Democrats have said it will mean teachers will teach to the | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
tests and Labour have said today there is less to this than meets the | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
eye and they are criticising the Scottish government for they say | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
cutting local authority budgets but the Scottish Conservatives have | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
welcomed it and said national testing is an important part of | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
trying to see a child's progress and effectiveness at school. That is | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
what we have seen, becoming national in 2017. An interesting development | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
in education as the First Minister attempts to target that attainment | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
gap. Thank you. | :02:33. | :02:33. | |
My guest for the day is the Herald's Political Editor, | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
What you think of this? As I understand, there is a budget. They | :02:37. | :02:53. | |
will not publish the raw data, it is going to be the data wrapped up in a | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
form of teacher assessment. They are going to publish how the teachers | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
say the children are getting on. League tables will be derived from | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
information based on how the teachers assess the children based | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
on the new standardised test. From the point of view of parents, they | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
will be happy because these will be boiled down into league tables and | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
they will give the proportion of children reaching the appropriate | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
levels in new Morrissey and literacy at those certain stages throughout | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
their early school create -- new Morrissey. They are not publishing | :03:32. | :03:40. | |
raw test data, it is not like five-year-olds are subjected to a | :03:41. | :03:42. | |
competitive examination system like hires. So in that five -- in that | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
sense, unions will be more content than they would have been although | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
it does open up the possibility of league tables which the unions in | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
principle are opposed to, they do not like school is being compared, | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
they think that dangerous and damaging. The other thing is, it | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
seems to fly in the face of the whole ethos of Curriculum for | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
Excellence. That was supposed to be the next big thing in Scottish | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
schools. It is interesting, during her speech, Nicola Sturgeon was at | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
pains to insist that would not be the case. She said there would be no | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
narrowing of the curriculum. That is one of the sensitive areas we have | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
to look at as this system is rolled out in pilots next year and across | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
the country. The danger is not only can the school test be created into | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
meaningless, the concept of the Curriculum for Excellence can also. | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
There is a danger of unintended consequences and distorting | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
Curriculum for Excellence which has taken a decade to get up and | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
running. And there are still questions about it so interesting to | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
see how that plays out. Back with you later is. | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
The Finance Secretary has defended a 6% funding cut | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
to the Scottish Environment Protection Agency. | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
John Swinney says its flood forecasting resources have been | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
He was responding to Labour's calls for reviews into both the cut, | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
and the Scottish Government's national flood strategy. | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
Mr Swinney was updating MSPs yesterday on the government's | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
response to the flooding so far, when he also announced | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
there would be more funding for councils. | :05:22. | :05:31. | |
The recent flood risk strategy set out an agenda for future flood risk | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
management to target investment and coordinate actions across public | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
bodies. It explained what causes flooding in high-risk areas and the | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
impact. It is used as an impact for a basis of better decision-making | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
and supporting action such as blood and action schemes and flood warning | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
schemes. I am aware the Minister has visited | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
the upper Deeside area and seen the conditions that have prevailed. | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
Would he be able to tell me what support the government can offer to | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
the local authority and individuals who have been seriously hit by this | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
flooding damage? On the two specific areas of assistance, I have | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
activated the Berlin scheme which establishes a threshold that local | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
thresholds are expected to provide to do with emergency situations of | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
this type and any cost beyond that is met by the government and I have | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
encouraged Aberdeenshire Council to submit an application for financial | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
support. Under the budget statement in December, and made available | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
support to councils because of the impact of recent storm incidents. | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
Intend to make a further financial allocation in which I would expect | :06:49. | :06:55. | |
Aberdeenshire Council to leave council taxpayers of council tax | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
bills, business ratepayers of their bills and to contribute to some of | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
the regeneration that will be clearly required to recover the | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
situation in Deeside. One feature of the devastation in | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
upper Deeside is serious damage to be a 93 trunk Rd, can the Minister | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
say if there is any prospect of that damage being rectified in the near | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
future and that costs will be covered by the Scottish government? | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
-- A93. It cannot be utilised in relation to providing a route from | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
Braemar to Aberdeen, that is unsatisfactory and we have two | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
resolve that quickly. We are taking forward discussions with | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
Aberdeenshire Council on how the steps are taken to ensure that this | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
rectified. Across South Scotland and my region, many communities have | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
been affected by the floods recently and in previous years. On November | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
the 5th last year, my colleague Graeme Pearson as to the Minister | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
about this area and she told the chamber, to reassure the member, it | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
is now part and parcel of the National risk management planning | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
process and it will be considered accordingly. This is no reassurance | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
to my constituents and those of Graeme Pearson my colleague who | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
found themselves yet again devastated by floods. I ask the | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
Cabinet Secretary today, will he will again at the budget in view of | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
the responsibilities of flooding and the cuts made by the Scottish | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
government and will he also consider a review which Scottish Labour is | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
calling for today and has done? My colleague has also called for flood | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
strategy by the Scottish government working with all local authorities | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
across my region and more widely in Scotland. | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
I am a bit surprised by the line of argument she has just taken because | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
I know she takes a keen and acute interest in these issues so I am a | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
bit surprised at the line of argument she has taken today. The | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
first thing I would say is that sleeper have no responsibility for | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
flood protection measures, none whatsoever. They have a | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
responsibility for the flood warning system which is fully and entirely | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
funded by the government and which is protected, protected 100 sent by | :09:14. | :09:21. | |
my budget settlement in December. It is facing a 6.8% reduction in its | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
budget because I have to require public authorities across-the-board | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
to contribute towards the financial challenge we have to make. It is up | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
to Scottish Labour if they wish to change my budget and we have heard | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
so much from Scottish Labour about this question that I will expect | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
Scottish Labour to rectify that reduction in the budget that they | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
have been going on about. Parliament in 2009 passed the flood risk | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
management Scotland act which required us to do the groundwork | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
which is why I am so surprised that the question. The ground work of | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
establishing flood risk management strategies across the Scott -- | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
across the country of which we have 14. They have generated the | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
suggestions and propositions of 42 formal flood protection schemes | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
costing ?235 billion and I have made provision within the budget for that | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
to be delivered as part of my commitment to the local gunman to | :10:25. | :10:26. | |
finance settlement. So I would have thought instead of having another | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
review, we should implement these flood risk management strategies | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
# Government. If that was an all-out attack by the opposition, with them | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
pussyfooting around, he just brush that away. Yes, it was not an | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
all-out attack. There is a good reason. There is not really a lot of | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
blame you can lay at the Scottish government's door. These are | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
extraordinary floods. I was going to say it is an extraordinary event. | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
The big question is, is what we are witnessing this winter the new norm? | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
We have been told for more than a decade global warming will result in | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
wetter and warmer winters and this has been a very wet and a very warm | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
winter. I think it calls for a review, that is sensible in the | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
light of that question, is this the new norm? That is the problem, even | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
when you get several, we have had mild winters in a row. We had | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
extremely cold winters and the problem was ice on the roads and the | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
rest of it. It is distinguishing between climate and weather, it is | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
difficult. I am not quite sure when we would have a run of data. You | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
could say let's spend billions protecting these places against it. | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
Against bigger floods. But that might be it might never happen. It | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
is difficult. People talk about once in 200 years. That might have been | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
correct 200 years ago, we simply not sure. In the meantime, as John | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
Swinney says, but prevention plans are working. -- flood prevention. We | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
are not hearing now about areas which should have been better | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
protected and were not. It is unexpected places. Like Perth, flood | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
protection schemes here have been put in place and they seem to have | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
worked. Those places prone to flooding have not flooded this time. | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
You are right to spot the attacks on the Scottish government was | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
something rather less than attacks. All right. | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
To the chamber at Holyrood now, where members are debating a report | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
on age and social isolation from the Parliament's Equal Opportunities | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
The cross-party group of MSPs says that loneliness is "as damaging | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
to Scots' health as poverty and poor housing". | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
It's called for the government to prioritise loneliness | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
and isolation as a public health issue. | :12:58. | :12:59. | |
The Committee Convenor, Labour's Margaret McCulloch, | :13:00. | :13:00. | |
For these people, loneliness was a long-term issue that had no end in | :13:01. | :13:16. | |
sight. They also had to content with the stigma of loneliness, they were | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
ashamed to admit their situation and had lost the confidence to do | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
anything about it. Many reported to health services, GPs and Accident | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
and Emergency departments, when professionals knew the underlying | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
problem was loneliness. There were so many important things we | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
discovered about people's experiences at what I would really | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
like to say before I move onto the detail and what anyone should | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
remember about this topic is that it has terrible facts, extended | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
loneliness. Have to stand together and say it is not all right for | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
anyone to suffer this kind of isolation, no matter what their age. | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
We must acknowledge the impact it has on communities and on health and | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
social services. It was Jean Keller of West Lothian Council who | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
explained how important it is to think about how services are | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
provided. She said, when systems break down in such a way we | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
disconnect from others, when my circumstances, longer, we might lose | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
people we are close to, and we need to respond to that in a human way | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
rather than stigmatise people and further isolate them by treating | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
them as if something was wrong with them as individuals. All the | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
agencies and Health and Social Care Act partnerships around the country | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
need to be responsive to that and to consider the structures of how we | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
deliver services. How we make contact with people and how we speak | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
to them on an individual basis. That is very important for keeping our | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
communities connected. And I cannot enough some of the health | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
consequences of spending time alone without contact. We took very | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
seriously aged Scotland's point that the need for contact is an innate | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
human need in the same way feeling hungry or thirsty or tired or in | :15:15. | :15:21. | |
pain is. And the health consequences for people shocking. Research has | :15:22. | :15:31. | |
found just over 10% of over 65 is often always lonely. But that figure | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
rising to 50% for the over 80 age group. Research has also found just | :15:38. | :15:46. | |
over 10% of over 65s are at risk of malnourishment. I am grateful. She | :15:47. | :15:56. | |
has mentioned stigma and how widespread this is. Does she agree | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
this is a very widespread problem and it is quite common across | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
Scotland and we need to take it very seriously? Yes, I totally agree with | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
the member, it is widespread, all over Scotland and all age groups. | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
But food train does not think this is a coincidence that the same | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
number of older people are affected by money Trisha and loneliness and | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
the experience -- in experience, they are interlinked they can be | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
successfully tackled together. We also heard from the Institute for | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
innovation and research that people who lonely are more likely to have | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
health issues such as high blood pressure, poor sleep and depression. | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
For older people, that our programming is between loneliness | :16:46. | :16:54. | |
and poor health including dementia -- there are connections. And they | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
are twice as likely to die prematurely. There are poor choices | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
as inactivity, smoking, alcohol use and poor diet. The Health and Social | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
Care Act Alliance also said those who experienced loneliness are more | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
like you to visit a GP, have high use of medication and a higher | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
incidents of balls, undergo early entry into presidential and nursery | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
care and use Accident and Emergency services -- falls. I have mentioned | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
the commitment to tackling loneliness and this is so important | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
because rather than hearing everybody ignored the issue or did | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
not believe it was important, we heard about many initiatives. But we | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
felt even more could be done because of the projects and services and | :17:42. | :17:48. | |
because they told us many people were not reached for a variety of | :17:49. | :17:49. | |
reasons. Well, as the Scottish Parliament | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
springs back into life at the start of this election year, | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
we're joined by a trio of MSPs. The Conservatives' Liz Smith - | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
from the SNP, Stewart Maxwell, Let's talk about this testing in | :18:00. | :18:11. | |
schools. Nicola Sturgeon has just announced it. If we are not going to | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
publish the result of the test, what is the point of having it? The | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
National government framework is to assist teachers and to make sure | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
they can judge the performance of pupils and help that judgment so | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
they can target their efforts to improve attainment. The purpose of | :18:31. | :18:43. | |
this is not to publish raw data why not? We are not interested in crude | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
league tables. One argument you had, that Nicola Sturgeon had. The tests, | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
is while local authorities do tests at the moment, they do not conform | :18:50. | :18:57. | |
across the country. That is right. If you do not publish the data, how | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
do you get around that problem and how do you know they are now | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
conforming? The data will be available to teachers and | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
headteachers in schools, local authorities and the Scottish | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
government. Parents? Of course. It will be available to parents? No, | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
the judgment of teachers. The raw data will be available to teachers | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
and bureaucrats but not to parents? What will be given to parents and | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
everybody else, published nationally, is the information | :19:31. | :19:32. | |
required to make those judgments and that will be the assessment of | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
teachers, the professional judgment, informed by the standardised | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
assessments across the country. That will improve the system, not create | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
a nasty little crude league table competition. This is about helping | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
pupils and making sure we approve attainment as well as closing the | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
attainment gap and that is what the National Improvement Framework will | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
do. So the raw data will be available to teachers and | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
bureaucrats, but will not be available to parents? Parents will | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
be able to talk to teachers in the normal way. Will the raw data be | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
given... If I say, how is my child is doing? The teacher will respond | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
to that question using the data from the work done including the | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
standardised assessments. And the judgment of the teacher. You said | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
the raw data from the tests. That is not being tested. Will it be | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
available to parrots? It is not publish, that is what I have said. | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
It will be used as part of the standardised assessment teachers | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
will take and they will use that to perform the most important job. They | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
opt -- they are the professionals and they must base judgment on a | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
wider range of measures. They will use that information to inform | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
parents of how their child is doing in school and I think that is the | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
best way to do it, not use one measure but all the measures and | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
professional judgment of teachers. The Conservatives were broadly in | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
favour of these tests. Do you agree with the idea you're a crack and | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
teachers should have access to the parents of the tutoring -- children | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
should not? -- bureaucrats. No, I do not, it is important information is | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
available to teachers, parents and the wider public. Not in Raul league | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
tables. He is correct when he says this is about professional teaching. | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
One reason testing is part of the crucial issue about is to ensure we | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
have consistency across the board and the only way to measure that is | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
if some better information is available. I would argue strongly | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
this is about better quality testing and not more testing. It is | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
essential that information is to hand. But if the published | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
information is a teacher's assessment, somehow by some unknown | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
process, that does not give a way of judging whether schools for example | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
with the same intake perform better or worse because it always has this | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
subject a bit of the teacher's assessment. I do not think that is | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
what is intended and what teachers want, they want to be absolutely | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
clear they have the professional standards and the information which | :22:24. | :22:30. | |
we have been told in this Parliament is not produced in a consistent | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
manner, that is what has to happen and the most important league table | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
and result is what happens in any school every year. That is what a | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
parent wants to know and that information should be available. One | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
thing that is clear is however you judge it, it runs completely against | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
the ethos of Curriculum for Excellence which is supposedly the | :22:54. | :22:55. | |
great evening in Scottish egg education. I do not think so. -- | :22:56. | :23:03. | |
great thing in Scottish education. It is exactly the Curriculum for | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
Excellence level assessment which is already available. The problem is | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
that Nicola Sturgeon and her ministers have suggested they were | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
doing something different which they are not. These tests referred to in | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
the framework already happening in every school in Scotland and the | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
only difference is they will be replaced by tests produced in | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
Scotland instead of being bought in from elsewhere. There is no new | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
data, it is the assessment level for Curriculum for Excellence. The | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
problem is the First Minister has raised an expectation in some | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
quarters including perhaps the Scottish Conservatives that they | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
were doing something which the truth is they never were. So you say | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
nothing really changes? No, I do not think it does. Instead of every | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
local authority deciding where they will buy diagnostic testing for | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
teachers to use, they will all use the same tests. That is the key | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
change. Even that has now this appeared into next year at the very | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
least. The working group is looking at it. Your question about what | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
information is available to parents, I do not agree no doubt yet. Perhaps | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
Stuart Maxwell can tell us. The information available to parents and | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
everybody will be provided through the Curriculum for Excellence. You | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
will be informed, as I was when my daughter was going through school, | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
how she is performing in each area of her work. She will be checked | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
against those assessments and they will determine if she is performing | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
at, above or below the level expected and what work is being done | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
to help her. That is helping parents be informed. That will go on and it | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
will be added to by having the standardised assessment across the | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
country in all areas to take is roughly at the same time and | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
throughout the year. That is important rather than having a mixed | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
situation with different tests at different times and in different | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
years. This is a much schmo standardised system. -- much more. I | :25:09. | :25:16. | |
am sure your daughter is exceptionally talented, but let's | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
say young Johnny, somebody else's child, does badly in reading and | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
writing in the test but the teacher thinks they have a lot of potential. | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
What does the parents get told? They are doing really well in some | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
subjective sense that I think of, or they have done really badly in the | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
tests? What is the parents told? The parent will begin in the information | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
through the Curriculum for Excellence framework divided all | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
parents. They will not be told young Johnny is doing badly in the tests? | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
They will be told how that individual is doing, if they are | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
performing at the expected level, above or below it. And the | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
surrounding context within the classroom of how they are doing. It | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
is important you have a fully rounded picture of the child and how | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
they are doing at various stages throughout their school career | :26:14. | :26:15. | |
rather than the situation which is slightly uneven at the moment, where | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
some local authorities do it and some do different things and at | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
different times of the year. Having a national and local picture allows | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
us to raise attainment and close the attainment gap which we all support | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
and want to see happen. A lot of parents watching will say, I am big | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
enough and ugly enough, can you not to tell me how my child did in these | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
tests? Tell me about a teacher assessment by all means which might | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
brighten my day but I want the hard information. Why can I not know | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
that? All teachers will want to give that information to parents. Parents | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
certainly have a right to know. Let's not forget why this is | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
happening, it is because Scotland has not read performing as well as | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
it should have in basic literacy and numerous, especially in the top | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
years of primary school. We have had declining standards which is not | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
acceptable to anybody. We have to finish. The idea of transparency and | :27:17. | :27:24. | |
information made available publicly was pioneered by Tony Blair in | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
England. Why after three Labour governments can we still not do it | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
in Scotland? The First Minister has said she is trying to avoid | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
high-stakes testing which Scottish Labour he got rid of ten years ago. | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
I am not sure that is entirely true. I agree with Liz, parents are in | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
title to the information about their own child. I think perhaps it would | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
be the case in spite of what Stuart says, that will happen. The truth | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
is, if we want to close the attainment that, no framework will | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
ever do that. Adequate resources directly targeted will do that. We | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
have a government cutting school and education budgets and while that | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
happens, no matter how many frameworks we have got, we will not | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
close that attainment gap and no matter how much information we have, | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
it will simply tell us that gap is still present. Thank you very much. | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
We have to leave it. Back to the chamber now | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
for more of that debate on the Equal Opportunities | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
Committee's report on age The Committee has studied | :28:30. | :28:31. | |
the problem of loneliness and says it should be prioritised | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
as a public health issue. Housing and Welfare Minister | :28:36. | :28:37. | |
Margaret Burgess is responding A strong emphasis on technology. | :28:38. | :28:48. | |
Sorry about that, it it is Marco Biaggi. Changing working patterns, | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
social patterns, forms of interaction to change, as they | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
always have over time. What we must do is adapt. We are together and | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
that is good news, on the need to bring about greater community, it is | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
a very helpful place to start. From the Parliament and MSPs to the | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
passion shown by the people that contributed to the committee's | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
report, to the evidence, to the public services, the communities and | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
the goodwill of ordinary and extraordinary people trying to make | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
a difference. There is already that collective sense of willingness, | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
commitment and social obligation to tackle this issue. Leaders, | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
organisations, communities and individuals want to work together to | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
capitalise on what we already do that is good and also to learn from | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
that and to share it more widely. I want to begin by outlining our | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
strategic approach to the recommendations. | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
We will endeavor to build this trend of work into all of our broader | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
programme centre marks already in place, the purpose, objectives, | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
national outcomes, overarching approach to public service reform, | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
because we recognise the issues that have been raised here. This will | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
also include the important roles of community printing partnerships in | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
the health and social care partnerships that Margaret McCulloch | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
highlighted. This is where you can really create and delete back in | :30:23. | :30:29. | |
integrated approach, as with all the other partnerships are set up to | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
tackle, that no one service can tackle on their own. And they have | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
developed considerably in their efficacy over the years that they | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
have been in place. We recognise to under the principles of the need to | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
alter the balance of public services away from crisis interventions and | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
into more preventative approaches and that is an article of faith | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
around this Parliament now. I am glad again for that agreement. | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
Tackling isolation before it leads to further harm is a perfect example | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
of one of those forms of preventative action. We have around | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
Scotland and ever clearer view of what works in public service design | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
and delivery and the challenges ahead. Within all of our work, we | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
will drive things forward through the Scottish approach. Working in | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
partnership, rather than experts detached from lived experience | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
dictating from on high. This approach itself sees the value in | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
the relationships and the networks in the input of people, because | :31:32. | :31:38. | |
these are the people who make up the communities. Health and the film and | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
via an attachment with others to society, having the life of purpose. | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
But that attachment also informs what we do and should inform good | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
policymaking. The findings of the equal opportunity committee report | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
will be submitted in the fairer Scotland discussions in the action | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
plan. People with direct lived experience of various forms of | :32:04. | :32:06. | |
exclusion are helping this Government shape the way we deal | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
with social justice. This will be true for this literal form of | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
exclusion, adjust as it is for financial exclusion or any other. | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
The people who have lived of the challenges that we want to solve are | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
the ones who are best placed to tell us the answers. | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
Going through some of the main recommendations, there are several | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
that jump out. One key one clearly is the national social isolation | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
strategy integrated within all policy. Didn't change is needed for | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
mean services to respond isolation have to be embedded in the approach | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
in planning to a wide range of services, we completely agree, that | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
includes health, education, housing, transport and so on. We want our | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
social justice action plan to have that same broad region I believe | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
that our forthcoming action plan can to fill that role through social | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
connectedness. More on that announcement today on | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
standardised testing in primary school. | :33:12. | :33:13. | |
Our education correspondent Jamie McIvor was listening | :33:14. | :33:15. | |
We're just back from these speech, Nicola Sturgeon talking to a major | :33:16. | :33:25. | |
international conference on education in Glasgow. She used her | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
to officially launch the Government's national improvement | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
framework. It is claimed one of its top priorities in office right now | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
is to close the attainment gap, checkout between how well youngsters | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
from relatively rich and poor backgrounds do at school. But the | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
key thing that was new today was the detail on the standardised | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
assessments. Just to go over some of the detail we know already and what | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
is new, youngsters would sit the tests, the assessments, four times | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
in the course of their time at school, primary one, primary for an | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
primary seven, and then in third year of secondary school. No one has | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
ever pretended that these assessments by themselves were going | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
to close the attainment gap or drive performances in schools. It was | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
always the question of whether or not it would lead to better data | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
being available to policymakers and the lake on what schemes are working | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
and what we're not. With a view to that, the crucial issue is always | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
going to be what data was going to be publicly available. The unions | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
had feared a risk of raw test data being published. Leading to lead the | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
tables and in turn leading to the risk of teaching to the test, as | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
they put it, undermining the freedom that has come through curriculum for | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
excellence. What is been said today is that it is not going to be the | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
raw test data which goes online, which is easily publicly available. | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
Instead, the figures online will show the number of pupils at a | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
particular school, a particular council area, and indeed nationally, | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
who are performing at the expected level in numeracy and literacy. That | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
goes a long way to dealing with the concerns of the EIS was given a | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
qualified welcome to this, because with the data that is now going to | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
be available publicly, there are teacher judgment involved in that, | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
so that deals a lot with the concern of going back to teaching to the | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
test. So the stuff you mentioned about we will know in each cool | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
water potion of children are at a certain level of attainment -- what | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
proportion, is that on the testator? No, that is a crucial thing. The | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
test will feed into that, but it is a wider assessment by teachers. The | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
unions are going along with this? Presumably because it sounds like a | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
fudge compared to what was originally proposed. Certainly it | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
was the case that the main concern that the EIS union had was over the | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
rest of the data being missed used if the wrong data was made publicly | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
available. He always said they were sympathetic to the Government's | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
aims, but always skeptical about whether standardised assessments | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
were actually going to help or not. There can very much argued that the | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
jury is out on whether or not the assessments are going to do any | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
good. But is that major concerns that has been dealt with, it is fair | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
to say the risk of a major confrontation between unions and | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
Government over this is certainly receding. I'm sure there will be | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
plenty of debate to be had about the format and detail of the | :36:29. | :36:29. | |
assessments. Thank you for that. The Herald's Political Editor | :36:30. | :36:31. | |
Magnus Gardham is my guest today. Not for the first time I am | :36:32. | :36:40. | |
confused. Listening to Jamie and watching politicians that we talk to | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
earlier, if someone said to me, what exactly is going to change with the | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
new systems that was not there with the old system, I haven't got the | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
faintest idea. Everyone seems to be reasonably satisfied with this. As a | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
set of the star, this seems to be actually quite a sensible approach | :36:56. | :37:02. | |
that the unions and cross party support will get behind, from the | :37:03. | :37:10. | |
parents point of view, as Jamie said and I said earlier, schools will | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
publish the percentage of pupils reaching the appropriate level in | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
literacy in numeracy. Jimmy seemed to be suggesting that that would not | :37:21. | :37:23. | |
be based on the raw data either. It will be based partly on the test | :37:24. | :37:33. | |
results, but also, I presume, what teachers learn about kids before | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
mins from other work that they do in the classroom. | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
The one way I can see a new thing they could do with this is if the | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
bureaucrats are going to look at the raw data, which they well, even if | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
the information is not published, that would enable them to take to | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
schools which have very similar intakes, one if which is doing well | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
on the raw data, one of which is doing badly, and go in and sort out | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
the about school. It would give the bureaucrats that. Yes, and at the | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
very start of this, that was the impetus, the complaint was that | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
there wasn't uniform information around the country that would allow | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
that to happen. Or with any kind of confidence. It would be interesting | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
to see whether the raw data... Now that the test are taking place more | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
uniformly, it's going to be interesting to see whether the raw | :38:25. | :38:30. | |
data is FOIA available, because if it is it would be possible to | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
construct lee tables which are based on the tests rather than on the | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
teacher's assessment. -- league table. For people who are not | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
familiar with this, you're the education correspondent at the | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
Herald, you put in that Freedom Of Information request for this, have | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
the raw data from the test, and it would have to comply. It would be | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
interesting to see if anybody undertakes that exercise. Is this | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
the first, with elections coming up this is going to dominate, is this | :39:03. | :39:10. | |
the first data? The test was backed no, is a kicking off an election | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
campaign? No I don't think his kick it off, although Nicola Sturgeon in | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
the big new year debate was teeing up the election with pains to put | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
education front and centre. That is as she put it. But certainly, since | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
Sunday, we have had lots of articles, set piece speeches, that | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
debate at Holyrood yesterday which has set the election ball rolling, | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
17 weeks ago I calculated earlier this week. Well-done! Still | :39:43. | :39:51. | |
numerate. I'm not sure I could decline basic Latin verbs anymore! | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
We will speak to you again in the moment. | :39:56. | :39:55. | |
And now to the first PMQs of 2016, where the issue of floods | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
Jeremy Corbyn attacked the Government for cancelling | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
a flood scheme in Leeds and turning down applications to improve | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
protection in York and Cumbria, which have been deluged | :40:05. | :40:06. | |
But the Prime Minister defended his record on flood | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
defences, saying his party had spent more on them than the previous | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
Government, and taunted the opposition leader | :40:13. | :40:13. | |
Mr Speaker, of course the rainfall was excessive, of course the liver | :40:14. | :40:26. | |
for rivers were high, but the Prime Minister has still not answer the | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
question on the lead's flood detection scheme. I given him an | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
opportunity to do so in the moment. In 2014, Cumbria County Council | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
applied for funding for new schemes in Keswick and Kendall, both were | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
turned down. Both areas flooded again in the last he weeks. Does the | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
Prime Minister believed that turning down those schemes was also a | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
mistake? We are spending more on flood | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
defence games and are stacking up a whole series of schemes that will | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
spend more on. But let me make this point to him, if he's going to spend | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
ten billions of pounds on re-nationalizing our railways, where | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
is he going to find the money for flood defenses? The idea that this | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
individual would be faster in responding to floods when it takes | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
in three days to carry out a reshuffle is frankly laughable. Mr | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
Speaker, since I walked into the chamber this morning, his Shadow | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
Foreign Minister resigned, his shadow defence minister resign, he | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
could not run anything. The health services default, but junior doctors | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
in Scotland are not funny to strike week. Why does the Prime Minister | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
think the Scottish Government has good relationships with junior | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
doctors in his Government doesn't? And now for the Scottish play. He | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
raises an important question. We have taken a different approach to | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
the Government in Scotland. We have increased spending on the NHS by | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
more than the Government in Scotland, which I think is the right | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
approach. But we are determined to do with this issue of having a | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
genuine seven date NHS, everybody knows, doctors know it, Patience | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
Noah, the management at the NHS knows it, the BMA Nozick, that there | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
is a problem with the NHS at the weekend and one of the way to | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
correct that is to make sure that we have new contracts with junior | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
doctors to make sure that they are not to work longer hours, in fact, | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
many will work much less hours under our plans, not to reduce doctors' | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
pay, no one who works legal hours will see a cut in their pay, indeed, | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
75% of doctors will see a pay rise, so we think this is a good deal for | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
a good advance of the NHS and I am sure in Scotland they will be | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
looking at as well. Thank you, the Scottish Government has been | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
investing record levels of funny in the NHS in Scotland and also works | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
very hard to have the best possible relations with the doctors and | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
nurses and all of the NHS staff. Will the English Health Secretary | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
speak to his Scottish colic to learn how to resolve the situation in | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
England and stave off strike action which no one wants to see, least of | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
all junior doctors? -- Scottish colleagues. Or always be good | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
relations and discussions between the Health Secretary in the United | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
Kingdom in the United Kingdom Government and the default one. When | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
we make a decision to increase funding in the NHS as we have done | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
?19 billion more in this Parliament, that has consequences for Wales and | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
Scotland and Northern Ireland under the Barnett formula and I find it | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
very depressing that the Welsh have decided under Labour to spend less | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
than we are planning to spend in Scotland has done the same thing. In | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
light of last month's para climate agreement, in which call countries | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
agree to increase our ambition and keep global warming well below 2 | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
degrees, just the Prime Minister agreed with must now urgently hit | :43:58. | :44:07. | |
the reduction target low 1990 levels at the very least, a position which | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
he argued for I like to say at the European Council? What we were... | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
Let me join her in once again recognising that Paris was a big | :44:17. | :44:18. | |
step forward, a very big step forward, because previous agreements | :44:19. | :44:26. | |
did not have action by China or America. Now you have all the big | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
hunters as part of the deal. We did argue that the EEG should go | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
further, we achieved I think a very aggressive package for the EU, but | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
that was the best we could do in the circumstances. | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
I am guessing David Porter's New Year's resolution is to keep himself | :44:42. | :44:50. | |
and his colleagues out of the rain. Is it going to plan so far? So far | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
so good. The New Year's resolution is to get some more umbrellas. But | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
we are not pointed needles today. He says hopefully! Joining me is three | :45:00. | :45:10. | |
MPs. -- we will not need those today. | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
We've had one resignation on Eric today from a member of the shadow | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
ministry team, I could take it that you want to remain as the shadow | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
Scottish secretary and you fully support your leader? Of course I do. | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
I fully support the leader. The most disappointing thing from whatever | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
side of the fence you sit on or whatever ideas you have or whatever | :45:35. | :45:37. | |
opinions you have on this particular issue of the reshuffle, we've got | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
away from talking about the real issues in Scotland. We had a great | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
speech of the start of the hear from Kezia Dugdale on Tuesday that is | :45:45. | :45:47. | |
going to give people a real start if they want to buy their first home | :45:48. | :45:50. | |
and we are not talking about those policies. I think the Scottish | :45:51. | :45:57. | |
public one is to get on with it, to get on with the public offering that | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
we promised in the election, and get on with the shuffling. But it has | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
not been the cleanest or most efficient of reshuffles. When Jeremy | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
was first elected of the Labour Party said he wanted a broad church | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
in his Cabinet, he has delivered that, he will have to deliver those, | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
we are going through a policy process of the model where German | :46:19. | :46:20. | |
wants to look at the policies, defence review is going on, there | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
was always good to be different opinions in the bottom line here is | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
that we just need to get on with the day jobs, work with the people that | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
we has any around the Shadow Cabinet with this, and delivery for the | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
people of Scotland. And holding this dreadful Tory government to the | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
account. Which is our job. Presumably there is a part of you | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
that is enjoying watching what is going on, but you will know from | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
past reshuffles from whatever party, they never go to plan. Happy new | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
year to you and all your viewers. I am delighted that the best Scottish | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
Labour MP has retained the position of shadow Scottish secretary of | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
state, I think he is the only Scottish Labour MP. The Scottish | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
Conservatives and the Conservative Party of United Kingdom is the only | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
party now that can stand up for the people of Scotland and ensure that | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
Scottish interests are met within the United Kingdom. What we see | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
David with is the farce, which is fast becoming Jeremy Corbyn's | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
reshuffle, is the Labour Party is completely broken and it is sad to | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
see Her Majesty's loyal opposition in the survey. Would pick up on that | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
point. Without the crowing and political points caring, which all | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
politicians are going to do. If an opposition party here at Westminster | :47:38. | :47:44. | |
has problems with a reshuffle, is that good for the wider democracy? | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
There is an issue here because you should have a good opposition, that | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
is why the SNP are providing the only proper opposition to the | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
Tories. Alberto is saying that the Government represents the people of | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
Scotland and the people of Scotland beg to differ. They have the worst | :48:02. | :48:09. | |
result since 1865 in Scotland. But there is a series issue here. The | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
SNP is doing the job of holding the Government to attack the Lee mac | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
account. We have a shovel from the Labour Party, but they need to get | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
their act together and join us in opposing this dreadful Tory | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
government. This coming year, there is a huge number of issues, we know | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
Scotland is good to be very important, we know that Europe is | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
going to be very important. What do you make of the Prime Minister's | :48:33. | :48:34. | |
stating yesterday where he's going to allow his own Cabinet ministers | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
to vote and campaign to stay in and others if they want to the campaign | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
to get out? It is extraordinary, is at the? I would rather that we talk | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
about that. We have a Prime Minister who cannot decide personally whether | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
he wants to leave Europe or saying. He's not really sure what he's | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
asking for, his own backbenchers saying he's not asking for very | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
much, so will deliver very little. It is key that the UK stay in the | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
European Union. We will be fighting that corner incredibly hard to make | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
sure that the case on the positive case for staying within the European | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
Union is put, put the give your Shadow Cabinet a free vote, it was | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
only a few weeks ago you were criticising Jeremy Corbyn for giving | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
his Shadow Cabinet if free vote in the guards to this area debate. So | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
the Prime Minister is now giving his Shadow Cabinet if revote, but we all | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
know why we are having a referendum on the UN the first place, because | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
his party has demanded that Annie's trying to fix his party and on the | :49:31. | :49:36. | |
divisions of Europe instead of putting the positive case. -- | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
European Union. That is sometimes what premises have to deal with. | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
This is a Prime Minister saying to his Shadow Cabinet, you can have a | :49:47. | :49:48. | |
free on your without telling what the terms of that vote will be, | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
whether he will come back with the deal from the European Union, we | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
don't know whether he will do that yet, he has not been ambitious about | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
the deal he looking for. You do this by building allies, making sure that | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
you are positive about the European Union and making sure that | :50:04. | :50:05. | |
everything that it does is in the UK's best interest. That is what we | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
want and will fight for. And a perfect world, David Cameron | :50:11. | :50:12. | |
would've said to his Cabinet, this is the deal I forgot, you vote with | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
it or you reside, I am certain of the characters. David Cameron has | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
been very clear on the issue of where he stands in the EU. It's been | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
very clear. He said that he will campaign to stay in the EE you, if | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
you get the renegotiations that is aching. -- the EU. What we have term | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
number and the viewers I am sure one sure memories this. If it wasn't for | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
the British Conservative Party being elected for the whole of the United | :50:41. | :50:43. | |
Kingdom, there would have been a referendum in the first place. We're | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
the only party, the SNP didn't want one, Labour Party didn't want one, | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
but I am I Conservative MP colleagues have voted to give you | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
and all viewers the choice on whether the United Kingdom, | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England stays within the EU. I | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
just want to nip the SNP's point in the bus, they talk about Scotland | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
perhaps voting differently from England, I don't think it well in | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
the referendum. But I don't recall when the Scottish referendum the | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
people of Shetland are the people from Inverness Shire been given a | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
veto to pull out of any independence, had the SNP won that | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
particular event. I think we need to address that with the SNP Tom White | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
is making this demand that they didn't give the people of Scotland. | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
On the European referendum, there was a serious issue here, David | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
Cameron cannot even convince his own Cabinet colleagues that he's going | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
to get a good deal. He's giving them a Freeville before he has | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
renegotiated, so they are hopelessly divided around the Cabinet table, | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
almost as hopelessly divided as the Labour Party. That is a sad state of | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
affairs when we are giving to the series has this to the benefit of | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
jobs, cooperating with European partners as well, it is up pity that | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
Alberta cannot put himself to tackle those issues. We could have a | :52:02. | :52:08. | |
referendum on the EE you mac issue as soon as June, for the antigen. -- | :52:09. | :52:17. | |
EU. Are you worried that would suck the life out of the Scottish | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
campaign? There are important elections at the start of the make | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
in the United Kingdom, we want to see a good debate on the future of | :52:25. | :52:31. | |
Europe. We had a good debate, both sides did, on the Scottish | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
referendum, so we want full time to debate this front of them or | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
something through. Should he go soon as he gets a deal in February or | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
should he try and leave it till later in the year? You asked the | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
question about the Scottish elections, let's be clear. Ruth | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
Davidson are the only party in the May Scottish parliamentary elections | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
that are talking about Scotland's best interest being served by being | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
in the United Kingdom. Frankly, in respect of EE you mac, that one | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
country that the SNP do not want, the British people will decide as | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
one whether we stay in the EU or out and that is a separate question from | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
the main Scottish parliamentary elections. Final question, are you | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
worried that if you referendum is in June, it would overshadow what will | :53:18. | :53:24. | |
happen in Holyrood? -- the EU. It does not look like it will be spoken | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
of it it it is in June, I would prefer later on in the year or the | :53:29. | :53:31. | |
later part of 2070, we want that proper debate about the SNP's | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
dreadful record and Government, put eight positive platform to the | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
Scottish people, we don't any of that should overshadow, we want | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
Scotland to stand on its own for these parliamentary elections, the | :53:47. | :53:48. | |
first with the new powers coming to Scottish Parliament. The thing that | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
is the thing we should focus on. If it is at the indigent, we will have | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
to do without. I would rather do with it later in the year. We will | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
have to the leave it there. Thank you for joining us. Gordon, a new | :54:01. | :54:06. | |
here, discussions of topics we have discussed in the past. So far, not a | :54:07. | :54:08. | |
drop of rain in sight. We will return to some of the issues | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
in a moment. The former Scottish First Minister | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
Alex Salmond is to host a phone-in To promote the programme, | :54:17. | :54:18. | |
the broadcaster has released a video showing Mr Salmond reading offensive | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
tweets about himself. His show will go out live at 4pm | :54:23. | :54:24. | |
every Wednesday starting next week. Who would pay ?51,000 for a portrait | :54:25. | :54:35. | |
of Alex Salmond? I can think of only one person. It was 51,000 500. And | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
I've got lots of relatives. I actually like plain chocolate | :54:41. | :55:03. | |
bounty myself. Time for some final thoughts | :55:04. | :55:15. | |
from Magnus Gardham. I think of fibre Jeremy Corbyn, and | :55:16. | :55:24. | |
really up against and wanted some resounding support, I don't think | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
there would be phoning Ian Murray at the top of my list. No, the | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
reshuffle, you have to say, bears all the hallmarks of an utter | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
shambles. If you actually look at the change to the Shadow Cabinet, | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
they are pretty minor. Maria Eagle has left defence, replaced by Emily | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
Thornberry, Maria Eagle has replaced Michael Joubert at the culture. So | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
in terms of Jeremy Corbyn's top team, it is really quite small. It | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
gets them out of a potential Trident problem. Yes, that is the main | :56:01. | :56:06. | |
advantage from his point of view. He is clearly not sought what is it we | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
have to start calling the problem of Hilary Benn, it is not clear whether | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
Hilary Benn is muzzled as John McDonnell... We should tell people | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
who have not folders, John said this morning I'm he's only keeping his | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
job because he is greeted not to agree to not disagree with Jeremy | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
Corbyn on later issues. And then Hilary Benn and merged and said I am | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
going to do exactly what I was doing before. That is not clear and | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
behind-the-scenes, if you look at how Michael Joubert has reacted, it | :56:39. | :56:45. | |
tells a story about bitter infighting, almost a civil war now | :56:46. | :56:48. | |
within the parliamentary Labour Party. As we have just seen there, | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
the Labour's opponents are having an absolute field day. It is very hard | :56:56. | :57:03. | |
to argue with their criticisms. That Labour is hopelessly divided and | :57:04. | :57:10. | |
really struggling to put itself in the position to oppose the Tories | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
effectively. You could hear the frustration in his voice there. I | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
guess the subtext is this is he's biggie, look, we have an election | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
coming up in a few months. What is going on? This is not what we want | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
Labour to be talking about. It was interesting yesterday seeing Kezia | :57:29. | :57:35. | |
Dugdale make a speech and unveiling Labour's first election pledge about | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
support for first-time buyers. There was a real display their of unity. | :57:40. | :57:49. | |
All MSPs from all sections of the Scottish Labour party were there, | :57:50. | :57:51. | |
they were all very much in agreement and Scottish Labour is starting to | :57:52. | :57:58. | |
look like a model of unity and single-minded purpose compared to | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
their colleagues at Westminster. What about the Tories appear? They | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
have bigger ambitions, they would love it to be later, when they? It | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
is a big ambition if you are to come second. -- they would love to be | :58:14. | :58:19. | |
Labour, wouldn't they? Ruth Davidson's speech yesterday in | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
Holyrood was interesting because she deserved most of her anger for | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
Labour, who she said over the past nine years have been absolutely | :58:28. | :58:33. | |
hopeless opposition at Holyrood and voters, give us the chance to | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
replace them. I think limiting your ambition to a certain extent you | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
could say, but nevertheless, that is what is in her sights. We will have | :58:45. | :58:45. | |
to leave it there. That's all we have time | :58:46. | :58:46. | |
for this afternoon. But if you haven't had your fill | :58:47. | :58:48. | |
of politics yet, highlights from Scottish Questions | :58:49. | :58:51. | |
at Westminster are coming up next. I'll be back with Sunday Politics | :58:52. | :58:53. | |
this weekend at 11. On form, on target | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
and eager for silverware... MUSIC: Get Your Fight On | :58:57. | :59:17. | |
by The Prodigy ..it's a battle to savour next | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
Saturday as Hearts face Aberdeen | :59:23. | :59:26. |