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Good afternoon and a Happy New Year from all of us at Politics Scotland.

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The First Minister announces the introduction of standardised

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And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn reshuffles his frontbench team,

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Here at Westminster: MPs return to the Commons,

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as the fallout from that reshuffle continues.

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The First Minister has announced details on how standardised testing

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will be introduced in Scotland's primary schools.

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Some critics have raised concerns that the results could be used

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to draw up "league tables" for primary schools.

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Our political correspondent Andrew Kerr is at the Scottish

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What did she have to say? Good afternoon. The First Minister was

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speaking at a conference for teachers in Glasgow a short time

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ago, she just finished half an hour ago. At the centre of this is they

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are trying to close the attainment gap between well off and poorer

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children so the tests have been introduced to target children and

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Key stages during their education. Aaron Rai one, four, seven and

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secondary three. -- primary one. They will be national in 2017 and

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tested in 2016. It is to gauge the effectiveness of a child's work to

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inform their teacher and parent how well the tiled is doing so their

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education can be specifically tailored to them. -- the child. The

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Liberal Democrats have said it will mean teachers will teach to the

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tests and Labour have said today there is less to this than meets the

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eye and they are criticising the Scottish government for they say

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cutting local authority budgets but the Scottish Conservatives have

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welcomed it and said national testing is an important part of

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trying to see a child's progress and effectiveness at school. That is

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what we have seen, becoming national in 2017. An interesting development

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in education as the First Minister attempts to target that attainment

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gap. Thank you.

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My guest for the day is the Herald's Political Editor,

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What you think of this? As I understand, there is a budget. They

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will not publish the raw data, it is going to be the data wrapped up in a

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form of teacher assessment. They are going to publish how the teachers

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say the children are getting on. League tables will be derived from

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information based on how the teachers assess the children based

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on the new standardised test. From the point of view of parents, they

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will be happy because these will be boiled down into league tables and

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they will give the proportion of children reaching the appropriate

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levels in new Morrissey and literacy at those certain stages throughout

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their early school create -- new Morrissey. They are not publishing

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raw test data, it is not like five-year-olds are subjected to a

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competitive examination system like hires. So in that five -- in that

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sense, unions will be more content than they would have been although

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it does open up the possibility of league tables which the unions in

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principle are opposed to, they do not like school is being compared,

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they think that dangerous and damaging. The other thing is, it

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seems to fly in the face of the whole ethos of Curriculum for

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Excellence. That was supposed to be the next big thing in Scottish

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schools. It is interesting, during her speech, Nicola Sturgeon was at

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pains to insist that would not be the case. She said there would be no

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narrowing of the curriculum. That is one of the sensitive areas we have

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to look at as this system is rolled out in pilots next year and across

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the country. The danger is not only can the school test be created into

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meaningless, the concept of the Curriculum for Excellence can also.

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There is a danger of unintended consequences and distorting

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Curriculum for Excellence which has taken a decade to get up and

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running. And there are still questions about it so interesting to

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see how that plays out. Back with you later is.

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The Finance Secretary has defended a 6% funding cut

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to the Scottish Environment Protection Agency.

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John Swinney says its flood forecasting resources have been

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He was responding to Labour's calls for reviews into both the cut,

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and the Scottish Government's national flood strategy.

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Mr Swinney was updating MSPs yesterday on the government's

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response to the flooding so far, when he also announced

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there would be more funding for councils.

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The recent flood risk strategy set out an agenda for future flood risk

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management to target investment and coordinate actions across public

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bodies. It explained what causes flooding in high-risk areas and the

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impact. It is used as an impact for a basis of better decision-making

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and supporting action such as blood and action schemes and flood warning

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schemes. I am aware the Minister has visited

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the upper Deeside area and seen the conditions that have prevailed.

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Would he be able to tell me what support the government can offer to

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the local authority and individuals who have been seriously hit by this

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flooding damage? On the two specific areas of assistance, I have

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activated the Berlin scheme which establishes a threshold that local

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thresholds are expected to provide to do with emergency situations of

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this type and any cost beyond that is met by the government and I have

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encouraged Aberdeenshire Council to submit an application for financial

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support. Under the budget statement in December, and made available

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support to councils because of the impact of recent storm incidents.

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Intend to make a further financial allocation in which I would expect

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Aberdeenshire Council to leave council taxpayers of council tax

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bills, business ratepayers of their bills and to contribute to some of

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the regeneration that will be clearly required to recover the

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situation in Deeside. One feature of the devastation in

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upper Deeside is serious damage to be a 93 trunk Rd, can the Minister

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say if there is any prospect of that damage being rectified in the near

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future and that costs will be covered by the Scottish government?

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-- A93. It cannot be utilised in relation to providing a route from

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Braemar to Aberdeen, that is unsatisfactory and we have two

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resolve that quickly. We are taking forward discussions with

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Aberdeenshire Council on how the steps are taken to ensure that this

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rectified. Across South Scotland and my region, many communities have

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been affected by the floods recently and in previous years. On November

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the 5th last year, my colleague Graeme Pearson as to the Minister

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about this area and she told the chamber, to reassure the member, it

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is now part and parcel of the National risk management planning

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process and it will be considered accordingly. This is no reassurance

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to my constituents and those of Graeme Pearson my colleague who

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found themselves yet again devastated by floods. I ask the

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Cabinet Secretary today, will he will again at the budget in view of

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the responsibilities of flooding and the cuts made by the Scottish

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government and will he also consider a review which Scottish Labour is

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calling for today and has done? My colleague has also called for flood

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strategy by the Scottish government working with all local authorities

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across my region and more widely in Scotland.

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I am a bit surprised by the line of argument she has just taken because

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I know she takes a keen and acute interest in these issues so I am a

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bit surprised at the line of argument she has taken today. The

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first thing I would say is that sleeper have no responsibility for

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flood protection measures, none whatsoever. They have a

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responsibility for the flood warning system which is fully and entirely

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funded by the government and which is protected, protected 100 sent by

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my budget settlement in December. It is facing a 6.8% reduction in its

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budget because I have to require public authorities across-the-board

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to contribute towards the financial challenge we have to make. It is up

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to Scottish Labour if they wish to change my budget and we have heard

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so much from Scottish Labour about this question that I will expect

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Scottish Labour to rectify that reduction in the budget that they

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have been going on about. Parliament in 2009 passed the flood risk

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management Scotland act which required us to do the groundwork

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which is why I am so surprised that the question. The ground work of

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establishing flood risk management strategies across the Scott --

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across the country of which we have 14. They have generated the

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suggestions and propositions of 42 formal flood protection schemes

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costing ?235 billion and I have made provision within the budget for that

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to be delivered as part of my commitment to the local gunman to

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finance settlement. So I would have thought instead of having another

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review, we should implement these flood risk management strategies

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# Government. If that was an all-out attack by the opposition, with them

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pussyfooting around, he just brush that away. Yes, it was not an

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all-out attack. There is a good reason. There is not really a lot of

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blame you can lay at the Scottish government's door. These are

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extraordinary floods. I was going to say it is an extraordinary event.

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The big question is, is what we are witnessing this winter the new norm?

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We have been told for more than a decade global warming will result in

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wetter and warmer winters and this has been a very wet and a very warm

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winter. I think it calls for a review, that is sensible in the

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light of that question, is this the new norm? That is the problem, even

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when you get several, we have had mild winters in a row. We had

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extremely cold winters and the problem was ice on the roads and the

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rest of it. It is distinguishing between climate and weather, it is

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difficult. I am not quite sure when we would have a run of data. You

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could say let's spend billions protecting these places against it.

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Against bigger floods. But that might be it might never happen. It

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is difficult. People talk about once in 200 years. That might have been

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correct 200 years ago, we simply not sure. In the meantime, as John

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Swinney says, but prevention plans are working. -- flood prevention. We

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are not hearing now about areas which should have been better

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protected and were not. It is unexpected places. Like Perth, flood

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protection schemes here have been put in place and they seem to have

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worked. Those places prone to flooding have not flooded this time.

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You are right to spot the attacks on the Scottish government was

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something rather less than attacks. All right.

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To the chamber at Holyrood now, where members are debating a report

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on age and social isolation from the Parliament's Equal Opportunities

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The cross-party group of MSPs says that loneliness is "as damaging

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to Scots' health as poverty and poor housing".

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It's called for the government to prioritise loneliness

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and isolation as a public health issue.

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The Committee Convenor, Labour's Margaret McCulloch,

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For these people, loneliness was a long-term issue that had no end in

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sight. They also had to content with the stigma of loneliness, they were

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ashamed to admit their situation and had lost the confidence to do

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anything about it. Many reported to health services, GPs and Accident

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and Emergency departments, when professionals knew the underlying

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problem was loneliness. There were so many important things we

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discovered about people's experiences at what I would really

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like to say before I move onto the detail and what anyone should

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remember about this topic is that it has terrible facts, extended

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loneliness. Have to stand together and say it is not all right for

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anyone to suffer this kind of isolation, no matter what their age.

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We must acknowledge the impact it has on communities and on health and

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social services. It was Jean Keller of West Lothian Council who

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explained how important it is to think about how services are

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provided. She said, when systems break down in such a way we

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disconnect from others, when my circumstances, longer, we might lose

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people we are close to, and we need to respond to that in a human way

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rather than stigmatise people and further isolate them by treating

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them as if something was wrong with them as individuals. All the

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agencies and Health and Social Care Act partnerships around the country

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need to be responsive to that and to consider the structures of how we

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deliver services. How we make contact with people and how we speak

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to them on an individual basis. That is very important for keeping our

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communities connected. And I cannot enough some of the health

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consequences of spending time alone without contact. We took very

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seriously aged Scotland's point that the need for contact is an innate

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human need in the same way feeling hungry or thirsty or tired or in

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pain is. And the health consequences for people shocking. Research has

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found just over 10% of over 65 is often always lonely. But that figure

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rising to 50% for the over 80 age group. Research has also found just

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over 10% of over 65s are at risk of malnourishment. I am grateful. She

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has mentioned stigma and how widespread this is. Does she agree

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this is a very widespread problem and it is quite common across

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Scotland and we need to take it very seriously? Yes, I totally agree with

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the member, it is widespread, all over Scotland and all age groups.

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But food train does not think this is a coincidence that the same

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number of older people are affected by money Trisha and loneliness and

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the experience -- in experience, they are interlinked they can be

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successfully tackled together. We also heard from the Institute for

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innovation and research that people who lonely are more likely to have

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health issues such as high blood pressure, poor sleep and depression.

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For older people, that our programming is between loneliness

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and poor health including dementia -- there are connections. And they

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are twice as likely to die prematurely. There are poor choices

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as inactivity, smoking, alcohol use and poor diet. The Health and Social

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Care Act Alliance also said those who experienced loneliness are more

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like you to visit a GP, have high use of medication and a higher

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incidents of balls, undergo early entry into presidential and nursery

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care and use Accident and Emergency services -- falls. I have mentioned

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the commitment to tackling loneliness and this is so important

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because rather than hearing everybody ignored the issue or did

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not believe it was important, we heard about many initiatives. But we

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felt even more could be done because of the projects and services and

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because they told us many people were not reached for a variety of

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reasons. Well, as the Scottish Parliament

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springs back into life at the start of this election year,

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we're joined by a trio of MSPs. The Conservatives' Liz Smith -

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from the SNP, Stewart Maxwell, Let's talk about this testing in

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schools. Nicola Sturgeon has just announced it. If we are not going to

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publish the result of the test, what is the point of having it? The

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National government framework is to assist teachers and to make sure

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they can judge the performance of pupils and help that judgment so

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they can target their efforts to improve attainment. The purpose of

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this is not to publish raw data why not? We are not interested in crude

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league tables. One argument you had, that Nicola Sturgeon had. The tests,

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is while local authorities do tests at the moment, they do not conform

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across the country. That is right. If you do not publish the data, how

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do you get around that problem and how do you know they are now

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conforming? The data will be available to teachers and

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headteachers in schools, local authorities and the Scottish

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government. Parents? Of course. It will be available to parents? No,

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the judgment of teachers. The raw data will be available to teachers

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and bureaucrats but not to parents? What will be given to parents and

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everybody else, published nationally, is the information

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required to make those judgments and that will be the assessment of

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teachers, the professional judgment, informed by the standardised

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assessments across the country. That will improve the system, not create

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a nasty little crude league table competition. This is about helping

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pupils and making sure we approve attainment as well as closing the

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attainment gap and that is what the National Improvement Framework will

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do. So the raw data will be available to teachers and

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bureaucrats, but will not be available to parents? Parents will

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be able to talk to teachers in the normal way. Will the raw data be

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given... If I say, how is my child is doing? The teacher will respond

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to that question using the data from the work done including the

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standardised assessments. And the judgment of the teacher. You said

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the raw data from the tests. That is not being tested. Will it be

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available to parrots? It is not publish, that is what I have said.

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It will be used as part of the standardised assessment teachers

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will take and they will use that to perform the most important job. They

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opt -- they are the professionals and they must base judgment on a

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wider range of measures. They will use that information to inform

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parents of how their child is doing in school and I think that is the

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best way to do it, not use one measure but all the measures and

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professional judgment of teachers. The Conservatives were broadly in

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favour of these tests. Do you agree with the idea you're a crack and

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teachers should have access to the parents of the tutoring -- children

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should not? -- bureaucrats. No, I do not, it is important information is

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available to teachers, parents and the wider public. Not in Raul league

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tables. He is correct when he says this is about professional teaching.

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One reason testing is part of the crucial issue about is to ensure we

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have consistency across the board and the only way to measure that is

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if some better information is available. I would argue strongly

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this is about better quality testing and not more testing. It is

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essential that information is to hand. But if the published

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information is a teacher's assessment, somehow by some unknown

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process, that does not give a way of judging whether schools for example

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with the same intake perform better or worse because it always has this

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subject a bit of the teacher's assessment. I do not think that is

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what is intended and what teachers want, they want to be absolutely

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clear they have the professional standards and the information which

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we have been told in this Parliament is not produced in a consistent

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manner, that is what has to happen and the most important league table

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and result is what happens in any school every year. That is what a

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parent wants to know and that information should be available. One

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thing that is clear is however you judge it, it runs completely against

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the ethos of Curriculum for Excellence which is supposedly the

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great evening in Scottish egg education. I do not think so. --

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great thing in Scottish education. It is exactly the Curriculum for

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Excellence level assessment which is already available. The problem is

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that Nicola Sturgeon and her ministers have suggested they were

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doing something different which they are not. These tests referred to in

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the framework already happening in every school in Scotland and the

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only difference is they will be replaced by tests produced in

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Scotland instead of being bought in from elsewhere. There is no new

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data, it is the assessment level for Curriculum for Excellence. The

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problem is the First Minister has raised an expectation in some

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quarters including perhaps the Scottish Conservatives that they

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were doing something which the truth is they never were. So you say

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nothing really changes? No, I do not think it does. Instead of every

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local authority deciding where they will buy diagnostic testing for

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teachers to use, they will all use the same tests. That is the key

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change. Even that has now this appeared into next year at the very

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least. The working group is looking at it. Your question about what

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information is available to parents, I do not agree no doubt yet. Perhaps

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Stuart Maxwell can tell us. The information available to parents and

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everybody will be provided through the Curriculum for Excellence. You

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will be informed, as I was when my daughter was going through school,

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how she is performing in each area of her work. She will be checked

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against those assessments and they will determine if she is performing

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at, above or below the level expected and what work is being done

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to help her. That is helping parents be informed. That will go on and it

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will be added to by having the standardised assessment across the

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country in all areas to take is roughly at the same time and

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throughout the year. That is important rather than having a mixed

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situation with different tests at different times and in different

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years. This is a much schmo standardised system. -- much more. I

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am sure your daughter is exceptionally talented, but let's

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say young Johnny, somebody else's child, does badly in reading and

:25:24.:25:27.

writing in the test but the teacher thinks they have a lot of potential.

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What does the parents get told? They are doing really well in some

:25:33.:25:39.

subjective sense that I think of, or they have done really badly in the

:25:40.:25:43.

tests? What is the parents told? The parent will begin in the information

:25:44.:25:47.

through the Curriculum for Excellence framework divided all

:25:48.:25:52.

parents. They will not be told young Johnny is doing badly in the tests?

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They will be told how that individual is doing, if they are

:25:57.:26:00.

performing at the expected level, above or below it. And the

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surrounding context within the classroom of how they are doing. It

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is important you have a fully rounded picture of the child and how

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they are doing at various stages throughout their school career

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rather than the situation which is slightly uneven at the moment, where

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some local authorities do it and some do different things and at

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different times of the year. Having a national and local picture allows

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us to raise attainment and close the attainment gap which we all support

:26:31.:26:34.

and want to see happen. A lot of parents watching will say, I am big

:26:35.:26:39.

enough and ugly enough, can you not to tell me how my child did in these

:26:40.:26:43.

tests? Tell me about a teacher assessment by all means which might

:26:44.:26:47.

brighten my day but I want the hard information. Why can I not know

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that? All teachers will want to give that information to parents. Parents

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certainly have a right to know. Let's not forget why this is

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happening, it is because Scotland has not read performing as well as

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it should have in basic literacy and numerous, especially in the top

:27:06.:27:11.

years of primary school. We have had declining standards which is not

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acceptable to anybody. We have to finish. The idea of transparency and

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information made available publicly was pioneered by Tony Blair in

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England. Why after three Labour governments can we still not do it

:27:29.:27:34.

in Scotland? The First Minister has said she is trying to avoid

:27:35.:27:38.

high-stakes testing which Scottish Labour he got rid of ten years ago.

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I am not sure that is entirely true. I agree with Liz, parents are in

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title to the information about their own child. I think perhaps it would

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be the case in spite of what Stuart says, that will happen. The truth

:27:55.:27:59.

is, if we want to close the attainment that, no framework will

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ever do that. Adequate resources directly targeted will do that. We

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have a government cutting school and education budgets and while that

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happens, no matter how many frameworks we have got, we will not

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close that attainment gap and no matter how much information we have,

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it will simply tell us that gap is still present. Thank you very much.

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We have to leave it. Back to the chamber now

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for more of that debate on the Equal Opportunities

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Committee's report on age The Committee has studied

:28:30.:28:31.

the problem of loneliness and says it should be prioritised

:28:32.:28:35.

as a public health issue. Housing and Welfare Minister

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Margaret Burgess is responding A strong emphasis on technology.

:28:38.:28:48.

Sorry about that, it it is Marco Biaggi. Changing working patterns,

:28:49.:28:54.

social patterns, forms of interaction to change, as they

:28:55.:29:01.

always have over time. What we must do is adapt. We are together and

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that is good news, on the need to bring about greater community, it is

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a very helpful place to start. From the Parliament and MSPs to the

:29:12.:29:16.

passion shown by the people that contributed to the committee's

:29:17.:29:20.

report, to the evidence, to the public services, the communities and

:29:21.:29:25.

the goodwill of ordinary and extraordinary people trying to make

:29:26.:29:29.

a difference. There is already that collective sense of willingness,

:29:30.:29:32.

commitment and social obligation to tackle this issue. Leaders,

:29:33.:29:38.

organisations, communities and individuals want to work together to

:29:39.:29:42.

capitalise on what we already do that is good and also to learn from

:29:43.:29:48.

that and to share it more widely. I want to begin by outlining our

:29:49.:29:51.

strategic approach to the recommendations.

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We will endeavor to build this trend of work into all of our broader

:29:58.:30:04.

programme centre marks already in place, the purpose, objectives,

:30:05.:30:08.

national outcomes, overarching approach to public service reform,

:30:09.:30:11.

because we recognise the issues that have been raised here. This will

:30:12.:30:16.

also include the important roles of community printing partnerships in

:30:17.:30:19.

the health and social care partnerships that Margaret McCulloch

:30:20.:30:22.

highlighted. This is where you can really create and delete back in

:30:23.:30:29.

integrated approach, as with all the other partnerships are set up to

:30:30.:30:33.

tackle, that no one service can tackle on their own. And they have

:30:34.:30:39.

developed considerably in their efficacy over the years that they

:30:40.:30:44.

have been in place. We recognise to under the principles of the need to

:30:45.:30:47.

alter the balance of public services away from crisis interventions and

:30:48.:30:51.

into more preventative approaches and that is an article of faith

:30:52.:30:55.

around this Parliament now. I am glad again for that agreement.

:30:56.:31:01.

Tackling isolation before it leads to further harm is a perfect example

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of one of those forms of preventative action. We have around

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Scotland and ever clearer view of what works in public service design

:31:11.:31:14.

and delivery and the challenges ahead. Within all of our work, we

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will drive things forward through the Scottish approach. Working in

:31:20.:31:23.

partnership, rather than experts detached from lived experience

:31:24.:31:26.

dictating from on high. This approach itself sees the value in

:31:27.:31:31.

the relationships and the networks in the input of people, because

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these are the people who make up the communities. Health and the film and

:31:39.:31:42.

via an attachment with others to society, having the life of purpose.

:31:43.:31:48.

But that attachment also informs what we do and should inform good

:31:49.:31:52.

policymaking. The findings of the equal opportunity committee report

:31:53.:31:59.

will be submitted in the fairer Scotland discussions in the action

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plan. People with direct lived experience of various forms of

:32:04.:32:06.

exclusion are helping this Government shape the way we deal

:32:07.:32:11.

with social justice. This will be true for this literal form of

:32:12.:32:15.

exclusion, adjust as it is for financial exclusion or any other.

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The people who have lived of the challenges that we want to solve are

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the ones who are best placed to tell us the answers.

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Going through some of the main recommendations, there are several

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that jump out. One key one clearly is the national social isolation

:32:35.:32:36.

strategy integrated within all policy. Didn't change is needed for

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mean services to respond isolation have to be embedded in the approach

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in planning to a wide range of services, we completely agree, that

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includes health, education, housing, transport and so on. We want our

:32:52.:32:56.

social justice action plan to have that same broad region I believe

:32:57.:33:02.

that our forthcoming action plan can to fill that role through social

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connectedness. More on that announcement today on

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standardised testing in primary school.

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Our education correspondent Jamie McIvor was listening

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We're just back from these speech, Nicola Sturgeon talking to a major

:33:16.:33:25.

international conference on education in Glasgow. She used her

:33:26.:33:30.

to officially launch the Government's national improvement

:33:31.:33:33.

framework. It is claimed one of its top priorities in office right now

:33:34.:33:38.

is to close the attainment gap, checkout between how well youngsters

:33:39.:33:42.

from relatively rich and poor backgrounds do at school. But the

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key thing that was new today was the detail on the standardised

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assessments. Just to go over some of the detail we know already and what

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is new, youngsters would sit the tests, the assessments, four times

:33:55.:33:59.

in the course of their time at school, primary one, primary for an

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primary seven, and then in third year of secondary school. No one has

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ever pretended that these assessments by themselves were going

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to close the attainment gap or drive performances in schools. It was

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always the question of whether or not it would lead to better data

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being available to policymakers and the lake on what schemes are working

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and what we're not. With a view to that, the crucial issue is always

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going to be what data was going to be publicly available. The unions

:34:28.:34:32.

had feared a risk of raw test data being published. Leading to lead the

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tables and in turn leading to the risk of teaching to the test, as

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they put it, undermining the freedom that has come through curriculum for

:34:40.:34:43.

excellence. What is been said today is that it is not going to be the

:34:44.:34:48.

raw test data which goes online, which is easily publicly available.

:34:49.:34:53.

Instead, the figures online will show the number of pupils at a

:34:54.:34:56.

particular school, a particular council area, and indeed nationally,

:34:57.:35:02.

who are performing at the expected level in numeracy and literacy. That

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goes a long way to dealing with the concerns of the EIS was given a

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qualified welcome to this, because with the data that is now going to

:35:11.:35:14.

be available publicly, there are teacher judgment involved in that,

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so that deals a lot with the concern of going back to teaching to the

:35:19.:35:22.

test. So the stuff you mentioned about we will know in each cool

:35:23.:35:27.

water potion of children are at a certain level of attainment -- what

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proportion, is that on the testator? No, that is a crucial thing. The

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test will feed into that, but it is a wider assessment by teachers. The

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unions are going along with this? Presumably because it sounds like a

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fudge compared to what was originally proposed. Certainly it

:35:50.:35:53.

was the case that the main concern that the EIS union had was over the

:35:54.:35:58.

rest of the data being missed used if the wrong data was made publicly

:35:59.:36:02.

available. He always said they were sympathetic to the Government's

:36:03.:36:06.

aims, but always skeptical about whether standardised assessments

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were actually going to help or not. There can very much argued that the

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jury is out on whether or not the assessments are going to do any

:36:14.:36:17.

good. But is that major concerns that has been dealt with, it is fair

:36:18.:36:21.

to say the risk of a major confrontation between unions and

:36:22.:36:24.

Government over this is certainly receding. I'm sure there will be

:36:25.:36:28.

plenty of debate to be had about the format and detail of the

:36:29.:36:29.

assessments. Thank you for that. The Herald's Political Editor

:36:30.:36:31.

Magnus Gardham is my guest today. Not for the first time I am

:36:32.:36:40.

confused. Listening to Jamie and watching politicians that we talk to

:36:41.:36:43.

earlier, if someone said to me, what exactly is going to change with the

:36:44.:36:47.

new systems that was not there with the old system, I haven't got the

:36:48.:36:51.

faintest idea. Everyone seems to be reasonably satisfied with this. As a

:36:52.:36:55.

set of the star, this seems to be actually quite a sensible approach

:36:56.:37:02.

that the unions and cross party support will get behind, from the

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parents point of view, as Jamie said and I said earlier, schools will

:37:11.:37:15.

publish the percentage of pupils reaching the appropriate level in

:37:16.:37:20.

literacy in numeracy. Jimmy seemed to be suggesting that that would not

:37:21.:37:23.

be based on the raw data either. It will be based partly on the test

:37:24.:37:33.

results, but also, I presume, what teachers learn about kids before

:37:34.:37:36.

mins from other work that they do in the classroom.

:37:37.:37:41.

The one way I can see a new thing they could do with this is if the

:37:42.:37:44.

bureaucrats are going to look at the raw data, which they well, even if

:37:45.:37:48.

the information is not published, that would enable them to take to

:37:49.:37:54.

schools which have very similar intakes, one if which is doing well

:37:55.:37:58.

on the raw data, one of which is doing badly, and go in and sort out

:37:59.:38:01.

the about school. It would give the bureaucrats that. Yes, and at the

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very start of this, that was the impetus, the complaint was that

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there wasn't uniform information around the country that would allow

:38:13.:38:16.

that to happen. Or with any kind of confidence. It would be interesting

:38:17.:38:21.

to see whether the raw data... Now that the test are taking place more

:38:22.:38:24.

uniformly, it's going to be interesting to see whether the raw

:38:25.:38:30.

data is FOIA available, because if it is it would be possible to

:38:31.:38:35.

construct lee tables which are based on the tests rather than on the

:38:36.:38:39.

teacher's assessment. -- league table. For people who are not

:38:40.:38:44.

familiar with this, you're the education correspondent at the

:38:45.:38:48.

Herald, you put in that Freedom Of Information request for this, have

:38:49.:38:53.

the raw data from the test, and it would have to comply. It would be

:38:54.:38:56.

interesting to see if anybody undertakes that exercise. Is this

:38:57.:39:02.

the first, with elections coming up this is going to dominate, is this

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the first data? The test was backed no, is a kicking off an election

:39:11.:39:15.

campaign? No I don't think his kick it off, although Nicola Sturgeon in

:39:16.:39:19.

the big new year debate was teeing up the election with pains to put

:39:20.:39:27.

education front and centre. That is as she put it. But certainly, since

:39:28.:39:33.

Sunday, we have had lots of articles, set piece speeches, that

:39:34.:39:37.

debate at Holyrood yesterday which has set the election ball rolling,

:39:38.:39:42.

17 weeks ago I calculated earlier this week. Well-done! Still

:39:43.:39:51.

numerate. I'm not sure I could decline basic Latin verbs anymore!

:39:52.:39:55.

We will speak to you again in the moment.

:39:56.:39:55.

And now to the first PMQs of 2016, where the issue of floods

:39:56.:39:58.

Jeremy Corbyn attacked the Government for cancelling

:39:59.:40:01.

a flood scheme in Leeds and turning down applications to improve

:40:02.:40:04.

protection in York and Cumbria, which have been deluged

:40:05.:40:06.

But the Prime Minister defended his record on flood

:40:07.:40:09.

defences, saying his party had spent more on them than the previous

:40:10.:40:12.

Government, and taunted the opposition leader

:40:13.:40:13.

Mr Speaker, of course the rainfall was excessive, of course the liver

:40:14.:40:26.

for rivers were high, but the Prime Minister has still not answer the

:40:27.:40:30.

question on the lead's flood detection scheme. I given him an

:40:31.:40:35.

opportunity to do so in the moment. In 2014, Cumbria County Council

:40:36.:40:39.

applied for funding for new schemes in Keswick and Kendall, both were

:40:40.:40:42.

turned down. Both areas flooded again in the last he weeks. Does the

:40:43.:40:47.

Prime Minister believed that turning down those schemes was also a

:40:48.:40:51.

mistake? We are spending more on flood

:40:52.:40:55.

defence games and are stacking up a whole series of schemes that will

:40:56.:40:59.

spend more on. But let me make this point to him, if he's going to spend

:41:00.:41:04.

ten billions of pounds on re-nationalizing our railways, where

:41:05.:41:07.

is he going to find the money for flood defenses? The idea that this

:41:08.:41:13.

individual would be faster in responding to floods when it takes

:41:14.:41:18.

in three days to carry out a reshuffle is frankly laughable. Mr

:41:19.:41:23.

Speaker, since I walked into the chamber this morning, his Shadow

:41:24.:41:30.

Foreign Minister resigned, his shadow defence minister resign, he

:41:31.:41:34.

could not run anything. The health services default, but junior doctors

:41:35.:41:37.

in Scotland are not funny to strike week. Why does the Prime Minister

:41:38.:41:43.

think the Scottish Government has good relationships with junior

:41:44.:41:47.

doctors in his Government doesn't? And now for the Scottish play. He

:41:48.:41:52.

raises an important question. We have taken a different approach to

:41:53.:41:55.

the Government in Scotland. We have increased spending on the NHS by

:41:56.:41:59.

more than the Government in Scotland, which I think is the right

:42:00.:42:02.

approach. But we are determined to do with this issue of having a

:42:03.:42:07.

genuine seven date NHS, everybody knows, doctors know it, Patience

:42:08.:42:11.

Noah, the management at the NHS knows it, the BMA Nozick, that there

:42:12.:42:15.

is a problem with the NHS at the weekend and one of the way to

:42:16.:42:20.

correct that is to make sure that we have new contracts with junior

:42:21.:42:23.

doctors to make sure that they are not to work longer hours, in fact,

:42:24.:42:29.

many will work much less hours under our plans, not to reduce doctors'

:42:30.:42:33.

pay, no one who works legal hours will see a cut in their pay, indeed,

:42:34.:42:39.

75% of doctors will see a pay rise, so we think this is a good deal for

:42:40.:42:43.

a good advance of the NHS and I am sure in Scotland they will be

:42:44.:42:48.

looking at as well. Thank you, the Scottish Government has been

:42:49.:42:51.

investing record levels of funny in the NHS in Scotland and also works

:42:52.:42:55.

very hard to have the best possible relations with the doctors and

:42:56.:43:00.

nurses and all of the NHS staff. Will the English Health Secretary

:43:01.:43:03.

speak to his Scottish colic to learn how to resolve the situation in

:43:04.:43:08.

England and stave off strike action which no one wants to see, least of

:43:09.:43:12.

all junior doctors? -- Scottish colleagues. Or always be good

:43:13.:43:17.

relations and discussions between the Health Secretary in the United

:43:18.:43:23.

Kingdom in the United Kingdom Government and the default one. When

:43:24.:43:26.

we make a decision to increase funding in the NHS as we have done

:43:27.:43:32.

?19 billion more in this Parliament, that has consequences for Wales and

:43:33.:43:36.

Scotland and Northern Ireland under the Barnett formula and I find it

:43:37.:43:42.

very depressing that the Welsh have decided under Labour to spend less

:43:43.:43:45.

than we are planning to spend in Scotland has done the same thing. In

:43:46.:43:49.

light of last month's para climate agreement, in which call countries

:43:50.:43:54.

agree to increase our ambition and keep global warming well below 2

:43:55.:43:57.

degrees, just the Prime Minister agreed with must now urgently hit

:43:58.:44:07.

the reduction target low 1990 levels at the very least, a position which

:44:08.:44:11.

he argued for I like to say at the European Council? What we were...

:44:12.:44:16.

Let me join her in once again recognising that Paris was a big

:44:17.:44:18.

step forward, a very big step forward, because previous agreements

:44:19.:44:26.

did not have action by China or America. Now you have all the big

:44:27.:44:29.

hunters as part of the deal. We did argue that the EEG should go

:44:30.:44:33.

further, we achieved I think a very aggressive package for the EU, but

:44:34.:44:36.

that was the best we could do in the circumstances.

:44:37.:44:41.

I am guessing David Porter's New Year's resolution is to keep himself

:44:42.:44:50.

and his colleagues out of the rain. Is it going to plan so far? So far

:44:51.:44:55.

so good. The New Year's resolution is to get some more umbrellas. But

:44:56.:44:59.

we are not pointed needles today. He says hopefully! Joining me is three

:45:00.:45:10.

MPs. -- we will not need those today.

:45:11.:45:15.

We've had one resignation on Eric today from a member of the shadow

:45:16.:45:21.

ministry team, I could take it that you want to remain as the shadow

:45:22.:45:25.

Scottish secretary and you fully support your leader? Of course I do.

:45:26.:45:30.

I fully support the leader. The most disappointing thing from whatever

:45:31.:45:34.

side of the fence you sit on or whatever ideas you have or whatever

:45:35.:45:37.

opinions you have on this particular issue of the reshuffle, we've got

:45:38.:45:40.

away from talking about the real issues in Scotland. We had a great

:45:41.:45:44.

speech of the start of the hear from Kezia Dugdale on Tuesday that is

:45:45.:45:47.

going to give people a real start if they want to buy their first home

:45:48.:45:50.

and we are not talking about those policies. I think the Scottish

:45:51.:45:57.

public one is to get on with it, to get on with the public offering that

:45:58.:46:00.

we promised in the election, and get on with the shuffling. But it has

:46:01.:46:04.

not been the cleanest or most efficient of reshuffles. When Jeremy

:46:05.:46:09.

was first elected of the Labour Party said he wanted a broad church

:46:10.:46:13.

in his Cabinet, he has delivered that, he will have to deliver those,

:46:14.:46:18.

we are going through a policy process of the model where German

:46:19.:46:20.

wants to look at the policies, defence review is going on, there

:46:21.:46:23.

was always good to be different opinions in the bottom line here is

:46:24.:46:26.

that we just need to get on with the day jobs, work with the people that

:46:27.:46:30.

we has any around the Shadow Cabinet with this, and delivery for the

:46:31.:46:35.

people of Scotland. And holding this dreadful Tory government to the

:46:36.:46:41.

account. Which is our job. Presumably there is a part of you

:46:42.:46:44.

that is enjoying watching what is going on, but you will know from

:46:45.:46:47.

past reshuffles from whatever party, they never go to plan. Happy new

:46:48.:46:53.

year to you and all your viewers. I am delighted that the best Scottish

:46:54.:46:59.

Labour MP has retained the position of shadow Scottish secretary of

:47:00.:47:02.

state, I think he is the only Scottish Labour MP. The Scottish

:47:03.:47:07.

Conservatives and the Conservative Party of United Kingdom is the only

:47:08.:47:10.

party now that can stand up for the people of Scotland and ensure that

:47:11.:47:15.

Scottish interests are met within the United Kingdom. What we see

:47:16.:47:21.

David with is the farce, which is fast becoming Jeremy Corbyn's

:47:22.:47:25.

reshuffle, is the Labour Party is completely broken and it is sad to

:47:26.:47:29.

see Her Majesty's loyal opposition in the survey. Would pick up on that

:47:30.:47:33.

point. Without the crowing and political points caring, which all

:47:34.:47:37.

politicians are going to do. If an opposition party here at Westminster

:47:38.:47:44.

has problems with a reshuffle, is that good for the wider democracy?

:47:45.:47:49.

There is an issue here because you should have a good opposition, that

:47:50.:47:53.

is why the SNP are providing the only proper opposition to the

:47:54.:47:57.

Tories. Alberto is saying that the Government represents the people of

:47:58.:48:01.

Scotland and the people of Scotland beg to differ. They have the worst

:48:02.:48:09.

result since 1865 in Scotland. But there is a series issue here. The

:48:10.:48:12.

SNP is doing the job of holding the Government to attack the Lee mac

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account. We have a shovel from the Labour Party, but they need to get

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their act together and join us in opposing this dreadful Tory

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government. This coming year, there is a huge number of issues, we know

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Scotland is good to be very important, we know that Europe is

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going to be very important. What do you make of the Prime Minister's

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stating yesterday where he's going to allow his own Cabinet ministers

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to vote and campaign to stay in and others if they want to the campaign

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to get out? It is extraordinary, is at the? I would rather that we talk

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about that. We have a Prime Minister who cannot decide personally whether

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he wants to leave Europe or saying. He's not really sure what he's

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asking for, his own backbenchers saying he's not asking for very

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much, so will deliver very little. It is key that the UK stay in the

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European Union. We will be fighting that corner incredibly hard to make

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sure that the case on the positive case for staying within the European

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Union is put, put the give your Shadow Cabinet a free vote, it was

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only a few weeks ago you were criticising Jeremy Corbyn for giving

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his Shadow Cabinet if free vote in the guards to this area debate. So

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the Prime Minister is now giving his Shadow Cabinet if revote, but we all

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know why we are having a referendum on the UN the first place, because

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his party has demanded that Annie's trying to fix his party and on the

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divisions of Europe instead of putting the positive case. --

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European Union. That is sometimes what premises have to deal with.

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This is a Prime Minister saying to his Shadow Cabinet, you can have a

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free on your without telling what the terms of that vote will be,

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whether he will come back with the deal from the European Union, we

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don't know whether he will do that yet, he has not been ambitious about

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the deal he looking for. You do this by building allies, making sure that

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you are positive about the European Union and making sure that

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everything that it does is in the UK's best interest. That is what we

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want and will fight for. And a perfect world, David Cameron

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would've said to his Cabinet, this is the deal I forgot, you vote with

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it or you reside, I am certain of the characters. David Cameron has

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been very clear on the issue of where he stands in the EU. It's been

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very clear. He said that he will campaign to stay in the EE you, if

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you get the renegotiations that is aching. -- the EU. What we have term

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number and the viewers I am sure one sure memories this. If it wasn't for

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the British Conservative Party being elected for the whole of the United

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Kingdom, there would have been a referendum in the first place. We're

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the only party, the SNP didn't want one, Labour Party didn't want one,

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but I am I Conservative MP colleagues have voted to give you

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and all viewers the choice on whether the United Kingdom,

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Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England stays within the EU. I

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just want to nip the SNP's point in the bus, they talk about Scotland

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perhaps voting differently from England, I don't think it well in

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the referendum. But I don't recall when the Scottish referendum the

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people of Shetland are the people from Inverness Shire been given a

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veto to pull out of any independence, had the SNP won that

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particular event. I think we need to address that with the SNP Tom White

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is making this demand that they didn't give the people of Scotland.

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On the European referendum, there was a serious issue here, David

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Cameron cannot even convince his own Cabinet colleagues that he's going

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to get a good deal. He's giving them a Freeville before he has

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renegotiated, so they are hopelessly divided around the Cabinet table,

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almost as hopelessly divided as the Labour Party. That is a sad state of

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affairs when we are giving to the series has this to the benefit of

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jobs, cooperating with European partners as well, it is up pity that

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Alberta cannot put himself to tackle those issues. We could have a

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referendum on the EE you mac issue as soon as June, for the antigen. --

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EU. Are you worried that would suck the life out of the Scottish

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campaign? There are important elections at the start of the make

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in the United Kingdom, we want to see a good debate on the future of

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Europe. We had a good debate, both sides did, on the Scottish

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referendum, so we want full time to debate this front of them or

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something through. Should he go soon as he gets a deal in February or

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should he try and leave it till later in the year? You asked the

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question about the Scottish elections, let's be clear. Ruth

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Davidson are the only party in the May Scottish parliamentary elections

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that are talking about Scotland's best interest being served by being

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in the United Kingdom. Frankly, in respect of EE you mac, that one

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country that the SNP do not want, the British people will decide as

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one whether we stay in the EU or out and that is a separate question from

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the main Scottish parliamentary elections. Final question, are you

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worried that if you referendum is in June, it would overshadow what will

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happen in Holyrood? -- the EU. It does not look like it will be spoken

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of it it it is in June, I would prefer later on in the year or the

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later part of 2070, we want that proper debate about the SNP's

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dreadful record and Government, put eight positive platform to the

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Scottish people, we don't any of that should overshadow, we want

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Scotland to stand on its own for these parliamentary elections, the

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first with the new powers coming to Scottish Parliament. The thing that

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is the thing we should focus on. If it is at the indigent, we will have

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to do without. I would rather do with it later in the year. We will

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have to the leave it there. Thank you for joining us. Gordon, a new

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here, discussions of topics we have discussed in the past. So far, not a

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drop of rain in sight. We will return to some of the issues

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in a moment. The former Scottish First Minister

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Alex Salmond is to host a phone-in To promote the programme,

:54:17.:54:18.

the broadcaster has released a video showing Mr Salmond reading offensive

:54:19.:54:22.

tweets about himself. His show will go out live at 4pm

:54:23.:54:24.

every Wednesday starting next week. Who would pay ?51,000 for a portrait

:54:25.:54:35.

of Alex Salmond? I can think of only one person. It was 51,000 500. And

:54:36.:54:40.

I've got lots of relatives. I actually like plain chocolate

:54:41.:55:03.

bounty myself. Time for some final thoughts

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from Magnus Gardham. I think of fibre Jeremy Corbyn, and

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really up against and wanted some resounding support, I don't think

:55:25.:55:27.

there would be phoning Ian Murray at the top of my list. No, the

:55:28.:55:32.

reshuffle, you have to say, bears all the hallmarks of an utter

:55:33.:55:37.

shambles. If you actually look at the change to the Shadow Cabinet,

:55:38.:55:41.

they are pretty minor. Maria Eagle has left defence, replaced by Emily

:55:42.:55:47.

Thornberry, Maria Eagle has replaced Michael Joubert at the culture. So

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in terms of Jeremy Corbyn's top team, it is really quite small. It

:55:55.:56:00.

gets them out of a potential Trident problem. Yes, that is the main

:56:01.:56:06.

advantage from his point of view. He is clearly not sought what is it we

:56:07.:56:11.

have to start calling the problem of Hilary Benn, it is not clear whether

:56:12.:56:15.

Hilary Benn is muzzled as John McDonnell... We should tell people

:56:16.:56:20.

who have not folders, John said this morning I'm he's only keeping his

:56:21.:56:25.

job because he is greeted not to agree to not disagree with Jeremy

:56:26.:56:28.

Corbyn on later issues. And then Hilary Benn and merged and said I am

:56:29.:56:32.

going to do exactly what I was doing before. That is not clear and

:56:33.:56:38.

behind-the-scenes, if you look at how Michael Joubert has reacted, it

:56:39.:56:45.

tells a story about bitter infighting, almost a civil war now

:56:46.:56:48.

within the parliamentary Labour Party. As we have just seen there,

:56:49.:56:55.

the Labour's opponents are having an absolute field day. It is very hard

:56:56.:57:03.

to argue with their criticisms. That Labour is hopelessly divided and

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really struggling to put itself in the position to oppose the Tories

:57:11.:57:14.

effectively. You could hear the frustration in his voice there. I

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guess the subtext is this is he's biggie, look, we have an election

:57:20.:57:22.

coming up in a few months. What is going on? This is not what we want

:57:23.:57:28.

Labour to be talking about. It was interesting yesterday seeing Kezia

:57:29.:57:35.

Dugdale make a speech and unveiling Labour's first election pledge about

:57:36.:57:39.

support for first-time buyers. There was a real display their of unity.

:57:40.:57:49.

All MSPs from all sections of the Scottish Labour party were there,

:57:50.:57:51.

they were all very much in agreement and Scottish Labour is starting to

:57:52.:57:58.

look like a model of unity and single-minded purpose compared to

:57:59.:58:03.

their colleagues at Westminster. What about the Tories appear? They

:58:04.:58:07.

have bigger ambitions, they would love it to be later, when they? It

:58:08.:58:13.

is a big ambition if you are to come second. -- they would love to be

:58:14.:58:19.

Labour, wouldn't they? Ruth Davidson's speech yesterday in

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Holyrood was interesting because she deserved most of her anger for

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Labour, who she said over the past nine years have been absolutely

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hopeless opposition at Holyrood and voters, give us the chance to

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replace them. I think limiting your ambition to a certain extent you

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could say, but nevertheless, that is what is in her sights. We will have

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to leave it there. That's all we have time

:58:46.:58:46.

for this afternoon. But if you haven't had your fill

:58:47.:58:48.

of politics yet, highlights from Scottish Questions

:58:49.:58:51.

at Westminster are coming up next. I'll be back with Sunday Politics

:58:52.:58:53.

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