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Hello. Welcome to the Scottish parliament in Hollyrood where this | :00:18. | :00:26. | |
report is causing a bit of a stir. The lavender Institute are | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
suggesting that depending on the various scenarios for leaving the | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
European Union it could cost Scotland between 30000 and 80,000 | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
jobs. Yes, Brexit again. Supporters say they could be opportunities for | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
the economy as well. I'm not sure if that will come up in questions to | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
the First Minister but the way to go to relax go across. Nicola Sturgeon | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
has said that the Tory leader should be ashamed of herself are to the | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
Conservatives conference. I assume that even the First | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
Minister would acknowledge that I made my position perfectly clear. | :01:02. | :01:09. | |
Presiding officer, today's report felt out plainly the challenges that | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
Scotland, along with the rest of the UK will face over coming years as we | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
leave the UUP and unions. Like most members of this chamber I didn't | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
vote to leave the EU, but the question now is how we maximise the | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
opportunities ahead and mitigate risks. The report says that the | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
focus must be on areas like food and drink and manufacturing. Can I ask | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
what the Scottish Government is doing to ensure that these two | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
sectors get protection from risks and take advantage of opportunities? | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
Well, it is a bit rich to be asked what this government is doing to | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
protect Scotland from the risks when these risks have been created by the | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
Conservative Party that was Davidson is a member of and leader of here in | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
Scotland. But as I have said repeatedly in this chamber, and | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
outside this chamber, this government will do everything in its | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
power to protect Scotland's interests and mitigate the risk that | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
Scotland now faces, risks that are set out clearly in the Fraser report | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
today. We are working intensively with all sectors across our economy, | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
that work is being led by an economy secretary and Mike Russell who I | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
have appointed to deal specifically with the Brexit negotiations. It's | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
not just manufacturing, food and drink. Earlier this week I sat down | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
with the financial services sector to discuss real concerns that they | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
have. Not just about Brexit, but about the | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
growing indications that what we are heading for under the Conservatives | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
is the hardest of hard Brexit. And like Ruth Davidson, my position has | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
not changed. I think that breakfast is a bad idea and I continue to | :02:46. | :02:54. | |
think it's my responsibility to do everything I can to protect Scotland | :02:55. | :03:03. | |
from edge. -- Brexit is a bad idea. Let's be more specific. We are | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
expecting a judgment on classification. Let me quote a | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
member of the First Minister's Rose commission. He says subject to the | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
regulatory lining we have there are major advantages to being the first | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
movers in this technology in becoming a world leader. I know the | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
First Minister is restricted on what she can say, but her own adviser | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
thinks we could use this technology to boost thousands of jobs and add | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
billions to the Scottish economy. Does she agree? I'm sure Ruth | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
Davidson is a way that the UK Government is also looking carefully | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
at the issues around UCG. I'm sure she is perhaps more aware than I am | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
of the direction of travel they might be going in as well. I think | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
Ruth Davidson, she did last week, seems to suggest that we should ride | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
roughshod over evidence and over the reports that we, ourselves, have | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
commissioned. Paul Wheelhouse will make a statement this afternoon, he | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
will report on the work we have asked Professor Campbell Gammell to | :04:08. | :04:17. | |
undertake on our behalf, all members of this chamber, indeed, everybody | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
across the country will be able to look in detail at that work. I think | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
that is the responsible way to proceed. It's putting the concerns | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
that people have and the interest of our environment and economy at front | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
and centre. Reaching balanced judgments as a result of that work. | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
That's the way we will continue to proceed. | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
In the same way that people can still, by going on the website, look | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
at the last report you commissioned an fracking, was advice you didn't | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
take. But let's move onto another sector, that sector is food and | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
drink. Whiskey producers tell us that Latin America, a market of 600 | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
million people has the potential for massive growth in the coming year. | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
And yet, south of Texas, Scottish development International has only | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
one tiny office. So, like me be First Minister the Scotch whisky | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
Association didn't want is to leave the EU, but they now want us to | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
focus on developing opportunities. Can I ask what action is the first | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
was taking to expand our trade footprint on the world? | :05:21. | :05:28. | |
Right, well let's just walk ourselves step-by-step through that | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
question. Firstly, those who know what they are talking about will | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
know that was Davidson managed to switch between different | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
technologies there. I don't know if she did that in full knowledge, or | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
if she needs to do a bit more homework. What we are talking about | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
today is and ground: classification, that is very different to fracking. | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
Before she comes to ask questions about bad I thought she might know | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
and understand that. Secondly, an whisky I have spoken with the Scotch | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
whisky Association last week and the week before and the issues they want | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
to raise were firstly the success of the Scottish whisky was, but also | :06:07. | :06:15. | |
the impact of Brexit on them. In terms of international presence, and | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
sure that if anybody here was going to do a quick Google search they | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
would find plenty of examples of the Scottish Conservatives criticising | :06:24. | :06:24. | |
the international presence of the Scottish Government. Saying things | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
like it's nothing to do with us, we should leave these matters to the UK | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
Government. Thankfully, we don't listen. So as well as the excellent | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
work that STI are doing, we are considering carefully how we make | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
sure that S D I is properly equipped in the climate we put another result | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
of the recklessness of the Tory government. We have announced | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
recently the opening of new investment clubs in London and | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
Dublin as well as Brussels to make sure that we are not reliant on the | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
likes of Boris Johnson to represent us overseas. We have the ability to | :06:58. | :07:08. | |
do so ourselves. Ruth Davidson. The First Minister seems more interested | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
in discussing my position than her government's. I don't believe I've | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
ever hidden it. My position is to say that people from the EU and | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
elsewhere are welcome here. This is their home. And my position is to | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
retain the close possible trading relationship with value being | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
friends and neighbours expanding trade abroad. But my position is | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
also to face up to the realities ahead of us. To mitigate risks and | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
take advantage of opportunities. This parliament is now faces a | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
choice about whether to put the lions share of its efforts into | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
examining practical solutions or simply complaining about the | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
results. Which is to be, First Minister? | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
I think was Davidson is perhaps protesting a bit too much! She says | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
I'm more interested in herb is a shame, I have to say, if anybody can | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
work out what Ruth Davidson position is then they are doing better than | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
me. She has flipped and flopped over and over again since the referendum | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
result. She says, and I commend you for it, she said that what I stood | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
up and said the morning after the referendum, that people who chose to | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
make their homes here are welcome. They make a contribution and we want | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
them to stay. Unfortunately, the difference between Ruth Davidson and | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
I is this, she wants control over immigration to stay in the hands of | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
the xenophobes. I wanted in the hands of this parliament so that can | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
put these sentiments into practice. And lastly, presiding officer, | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
Scotland finds itself in a situation we didn't ask to be in. We are in | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
this situation, facing all the risks we face because of the recklessness | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
of the Conservative government at Westminster. My job, and the job of | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
this government, is to protect Scotland's interest and bad is | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
exactly what we will continue to do. -- that is exactly. To ask the first | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
midair when she will next meet HIV Scotland. | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
First Minister. It is an organisation almost fully funded by | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
the Scottish Government, officials have regular contact with the HIV | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
Scotland. The Minister for Public health and sport met with the | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
executives on the 23rd of August. Kezia Dugdale. Presiding Officer, | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
across Scotland this morning tens of thousands of people stood Station | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
Platinum starting their commute. As Minister for transport in 2014 Keith | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
Brown said the new franchise agreement was a world leading | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
contract to deliver for rail staff and passengers. Not only that, but | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
it was a contract that will benefit the whole of Scotland. Does the | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
first Mr believe that those promises have been kept? | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
The contract was awarded because it was considered that it was the | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
contract in the best interests of passengers across Scotland. It is | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
absolutely incumbent on a burial, as the holder of that conjure to | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
continue to make sure that they deliver services that meet the | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
expectations of the travelling public. The Scottish Government will | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
continue to liaise on an ongoing basis with ScotRail to make sure | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
that is the case. Indeed, I'm delighted that the recent dispute | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
around driver operated doors has been settled and the public don't | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
have the expectation of as a result of that. Presiding | :10:30. | :10:39. | |
officer, I doubt commuters on the train from Dundee to Edinburgh or | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
North Berwick to Edinburgh would agree that Scotland has a world | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
leading contract or indeed that the expectations of the public are being | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
met. In the past few months Scotland's rail passengers have | :10:54. | :10:55. | |
faced cancellations, delays and overcrowding. | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
New figures this week show that a third of all roots in Scotland have | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
services that are late more often than they are on time. At the same | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
time, Abelio are raking it in, ?1 million a month at from that | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
franchise. Does the First Minister agree that while Scotland's rail | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
network might be working for transport bosses it is not working | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
for commuters? Kezia Dugdale is right to raise | :11:25. | :11:32. | |
concerns from the travelling public. They have a right to services that | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
run on time and they can rely on. It is because the Scottish Government | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
is so firm and a commitment that Kezia Dugdale, I assume, is aware | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
that under the contract terms the Scottish Government requested from | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
ScotRail on the 26th of August, an improvement plan which was received | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
on the 16th of September we are committed to working with ScotRail | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
to deliver a quality service to passengers. That is our | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
responsibility, and we are seriously making sure that we discharge that | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
responsibility. Kezia Dugdale. That is interesting. | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
I have the improvement plan in front of me. In fact it is a press release | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
this week. ?300 with extra investment to improve comfort and | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
accessibility on our railways. It says you are going to spend money on | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
equipment so you conceal how overcrowded trains. Can I suggest | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
she just get on to appreciate how overcrowded trains are? She needs to | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
be honest about the experience based by passengers. Here's the thing, | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
since 2011 the average weekly earnings of commuters rose by only | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
6%. But the Scottish Government cap on rush-hour rail fares increased by | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
over 23%. So let me make that absolutely clear. That's a rise four | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
times faster than earnings. Those who travel to work by train pay more | :12:51. | :12:58. | |
for a shocking service. And Scottish commuters are fed up of the First | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
Minister's excuses. This is her responsibility. What is she going to | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
do to get things back on track? APPLAUSE. I don't think anybody | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
listening to this exchange has hit me make any excuses. It is our | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
responsibility to work with ScotRail to make sure equality services | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
delivered. That is widely transport Mr has been | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
taking the action he has been taking and why continue to invest | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
significant sums in the real Madrid to ensure that responsibility is | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
discharged. I do not quibble at all about Kezia | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
Dugdale's right to come to this chamber and reads those concerned. I | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
understand the concerns of the travelling public but my job is to | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
get on with fixing the problem not just to carp from the sidelines. | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
The first supplementary from Bruce Crawford. | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
Would be First Minister confirm that she is aware that HSBC are intent on | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
relocating around 200 high-quality jobs... If you would just listen to | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
what I'm saying. From Stirling and this would have an obvious impact on | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
individuals and the economy. Given this news does the first Mr also | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
agree with me that this strengthens the case was turning to secure a | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
deal based on their excellent business case? | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
Of course I'm aware of the situation. I fully appreciate how | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
anxious a time this is for the company's employees and their | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
families. The Scottish and will do all it can to support those | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
affected. Scottish enterprise is already engaging with HSBC to | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
explore all possible avenues of supporting the business and its | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
workforce. In the unfortunate event that redundancies to proceed al | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
organisation will be fully engaged. In terms of the city deal, I had a | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
brief conversation at another event with leaders in the Council about | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
this yesterday and they understand these discussions are progressing | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
well. While no conclusions have been reached, I hope that Mr Crawford | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
will see from the experience of other cities, Glasgow, Inverness, | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
Aberdeen, the Government is committed to taking for city deals | :15:09. | :15:09. | |
where we can. The pro version will be aware of the | :15:10. | :15:22. | |
changes coming to Glasgow on bus routes. This will affect passengers | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
in my constituency and also hers. The number of bus journeys is down | :15:27. | :15:33. | |
to 2007 and Brits have been cut back by 66 million kilometres over the | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
same period. Can I as the First Minister how many more bus services | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
have two be withdrawn before this Government backs any kind of | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
regulation and at very least, does the First Minister not think it | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
should not be so easy for bus companies to walk away at short | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
notice without any consultation from the communities represent? No, I | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
think first Glasgow and indeed all other bus companies should consult | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
very closely with local communities before making any changes to local | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
services. That is what I would expect. As a local representative, I | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
regularly have discussions with First Glasgow about services that | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
run through and in my constituency and I know other MSP 's will do | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
likewise. These are important issues. People in our constituencies | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
depend on them and I would expect bus services to take their views | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
into account when reaching decisions. David Stewart. Will be | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
First Minister join with me in welcoming to the gallery today a | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
delegation of campaigners from the Dunoon to clinic there are very | :16:38. | :16:46. | |
good. Is it not the responsibility of the Government to provide ferry | :16:47. | :16:56. | |
services from Gurock? Well, firstly I would welcome the campaigners for | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
the Dunoon to Gurock Seri service to the chamber. I know many of them | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
well as in one of my previous Government jobs I had the | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
responsibility for taking forward this work. I absolutely appreciate | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
the strength of feeling around the town centre vehicle service issue. I | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
know the member will appreciate that now we are in a live procurement | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
exercise there are strict limitations on ministerial | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
involvement in that tendering exercise and what I'm able to say at | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
this stage. But I hope he will appreciate and indeed the | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
campaigners will appreciate from my previous involvement has serious we | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
are in seeking that there is a service running on that route that | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
meets the expectations of those who rely on it. Willie Rennie. To as the | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
First Minister what will be discussed at the next meeting of the | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
Cabinet. Matters of importance to the people of Scotland. We have | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
heard the trade Secretary branding European citizens working here as | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
Caldas in an EU negotiation. We have heard the Conservative Home | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
Secretary advocating listing foreign workers. These are our neighbours | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
and our friends. They are our family. People who voted for Brexit | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
across the UK did not vote to send their friends home. So what can she | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
do to ensure that EU citizens are treated with respect and dignity in | :18:20. | :18:29. | |
these negotiations? The first thing I can do, which is what I did do on | :18:30. | :18:36. | |
the morning after the EU referendum, is a unequivocally that people who | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
have come from other European countries or indeed from any country | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
and chosen to make Scotland their home and make a contribution here | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
are welcome here. This is their home, this is where they belong and | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
it is where we want them to stay and all of us have a responsibility to | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
say that as often as we possibly can. We have also since the EU | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
referendum taken steps to liaise with the community of EU nationals | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
living in Scotland. The Cabinet held a question and answer session a | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
number of weeks ago in order to hear directly their concerns. We have | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
taken some practical steps, for example around tuition fees for | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
universities to give some assurances to EU nationals where we can and we | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
will continue to look for other areas in which we can do that. | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
Unfortunately, and it is as matter of real regret to me, I do not have | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
the power to guarantee the right to EU nationals to stay here in | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
Scotland so what I will also continue to do and I hope I will | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
have the backing of everything a person in this chamber when I say | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
this, is to call in the UK Government to stop using human | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
beings as bargaining chips and give them the guaranteed right to stay | :19:44. | :19:55. | |
where they belong, here in Scotland. Now, many of these European citizens | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
work in places like Amazon. They deserve decent treatment too. This | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
week, Amazon celebrated recruiting more people below the proper living | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
wage. It was described as a bonanza. I have raised this issue before and | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
action was promised by the First Minister, but nothing has changed. | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
This week, the Scottish Government didn't utter a peep. Not one word of | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
criticism. This is Amazon that has had millions of pounds of Scottish | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
Government grants paying poverty wages. Does she still intend to do | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
anything or has she lost interest? I think that is a really unfair | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
criticism form Willie Rennie because he knows, and I know he agrees with | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
this, how seriously we treat the issue of the living wage and we | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
encourage and I would go further than that and say we expect all | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
companies where they can to pay the living wage and we have taken a real | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
beating this. I wish I had the powers in Scotland not just to | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
guarantee the right of EU nationals to state but actually to legislate | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
on minimum wage level so that we could reach the statutory minimum | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
wage to the level of the living wage. Let's argue not just for | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
companies to do the right thing, let's argue for having these powers | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
in the hands of this Parliament so we don't just have to call on the UK | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
Government to do the right thing for us. A number of supplementary 's. | :21:21. | :21:32. | |
The First Minister will reflect my concern is that the Fraser of | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
Allander Institute has provided a report that says the number of jobs | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
he she not think it is either the | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
Tories to reveal a plan? The Tories should have had a plan to deal with | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
this before the referendum. It is absolutely shocking that they did | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
not have that. It is equally shocking that three months on we | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
still have only the sketchiest of details about what happens now. | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
Unfortunately, the details we do have suggest we are heading down the | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
road of a hard Brexit which is the Fraser of Allander report says will | :22:14. | :22:15. | |
cost people in Scotland in terms of lost wages and lost jobs. That is | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
completely and utterly unacceptable. What I think has been really clear | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
from the Conservative conference this week is that decisions by the | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
Prime Minister are being driven more by her desire to appease the Tory | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
Right then they are by the genuine interests of the country. I think | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
that is wrong. I think it is regrettable and I think it is deeply | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
irresponsible. Douglas Ross. When Andrew Flanagan, chair of the | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
Scottish police authority was asked yesterday about public concern over | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
sex offenders and violent criminals being tagged, he said, and I quote, | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
I think that worry would be understandable. Ganley First | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
Minister assure the public that her Government will not use the | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
extension of electronic monitoring for these criminals given the very | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
real concerns that have been voiced by the public and victims of crime? | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
Public safety is at the heart of all of these decisions. As I have said | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
previously in an exchange as a couple of weeks ago, it is not for | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
politicians to decide sentences. It is for courts to decide appropriate | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
sentences but when a court is deciding the appropriate sentence in | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
any case whether that is prison or an alternative to prison and | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
including the use of electronic monitoring, then risk assessment and | :23:29. | :23:30. | |
issue of public safety will be absolutely integral to that | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
decision. That is right and proper and the public would expect no less. | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
Daniel Johnson. As the First Minister hat is no doubt aware, two | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
weeks ago today there was a very major rupture on the water main | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
supplying Edinburgh that occurred in Liberton, in my constituency. The | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
destruction that was cost was very substantial. Many families have had | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
to vacate their homes and friendly the only reason there was not a loss | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
of life is because an elderly couple are currently in a care home where | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
the greatest destruction took place. I had a very constructive meeting | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
with Scottish water this week, but it was revealed that the main | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
regulating valves for the supply of water to Edinburgh are causing | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
serious issues for Scottish Water, to the point where they are | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
supplying 24 hour supervision. The same valves are also used to | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
regulate the supply of water into Glasgow and no guy. We'll the First | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
Minister assure me that she and her ministers are looking into this | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
matter and detail to this and Parliament what they are doing to | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
make sure this is remedy. Firstly, I of course am aware of the | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
destruction and the concern that was caused by the members of his | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
constituency as the result of the incident he talked about I know | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
Scottish Water will deeply regret that inconvenience. I am more than | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
happy to ask the Minister with responsibility to raise the | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
particular issue that the member has brought to the chamber today with | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
Scottish Water and ask them to correspond with the member when he | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
has Scottish Water's input on that. Is First Minister aware of the | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
problems with the crofter's commission cost by the behaviour of | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
the current convener. Other commissioners have asked for his | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
resignation and the previous chief executive, Katrina Maclean, left | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
because of the convenor's behaviour and the pressure that has been | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
placed on commission staff. Will she and her rural secretary now take | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
action to make the commission work for crofters across the crofting | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
counties without the disruptive presence of the convener? Tavish | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
Scott raises a very important issue. The Cabinet Secretary for the real | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
economy has already welcomed the apology from the board of the | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
crofting commission but it is disappointing that the convener was | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
not a party to that apology. It is important that we get to the stage | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
of being able to draw a line under recent events. The resources spent | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
on dealing with these issues by the commission would, in my view, be | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
better used in being an effective regulator and contributing to a | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
sustainable future for crofting. I note that crofting commissioners | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
have called on the convener to resign unanimously. We have | :26:09. | :26:10. | |
requested further information in relation to last week's events. | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
While the Government would not usually intervene in the internal | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
operations of an independent statutory body, the legislation does | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
give Scottish ministers power to act if required and I can assure Tavish | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
Scott that the Cabinet Secretary continues to monitor the situation | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
very closely and we would be happy to discuss it further with him. | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
Christina McKelvie. To ask the First Minister what the Scottish | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
Government's response is to the recent Scottish Social Attitudes | :26:40. | :26:41. | |
survey which shows that prejudice levels in Scotland are following. I | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
welcome the findings from this survey. It is encouraging to see | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
that Scotland is becoming a more inclusive society with more people | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
in racing and valuing diversity. However, we should not be | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
complacent. It is unacceptable that some groups do still face prejudice | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
so we must continue to work together to eradicate discriminatory act | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
stewed in Scotland and I can ensure the member that we are committed to | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
doing so. I thank the First Minister for that answer and that commitment. | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
This week, the Tory party conference of the most disgraceful display of | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
reactionary right wing politics in living memory with the Tories | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
hinting that they will target foreign workers and name and shame | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
businesses for not hiring British employees. Perhaps we saw an early | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
plans of that from the Scottish Tories in recent weeks when they | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
questioned the right to take part in current life. How will the First | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
Minister help to ensure we create an inclusive Scotland where people are | :27:43. | :27:44. | |
judged on the contribution they make to our society are not in a place | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
they were born? We did that... We do that by standing strong and I hope | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
United in defence of that inclusive tolerant society. We should value | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
people by the contribution they make here, not by where they were born or | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
indeed the colour of their passport. I think that work is undermined by | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
some of the rhetoric we have heard from the Tory conference this week. | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
Theresa May's speech yesterday was endorsed by Marine Le Pen, the | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
leader of the French far right. Nigel Farris said yesterday that | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
virtually everything that Theresa May said in her speech were things | :28:25. | :28:32. | |
that he had said over the last few years. I do think all of us have an | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
obligation to stand up against intolerance, against prejudice, | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
against discrimination and against xenophobia in all of its forms and I | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
hope everybody in this parliament will do so. Ross career. Thank you, | :28:42. | :28:50. | |
presiding officer. The First Minister has already called at the | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
hateful disgusting rhetoric that came out of the Tory party | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
conference this week. Perhaps the most sinister of their proposals was | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
that from Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, that countries will be | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
forced to disclose the proportion of their workers who were born outside | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
of the United Kingdom. Woolley First Minister and the Scottish Government | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
support businesses in Scotland who refuse to comply with this | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
disgusting proposal? I would absolutely stands full square beside | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
any company that refused to comply with any request to publish details | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
of foreign workers. What I found particularly offensive was the idea | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
that companies would be named and shamed for the foreign workers they | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
employed as if there was something shameful about employing workers | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
from other countries. It is absolutely disgraceful stop I Amber | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
Rudd went on the radio yesterday morning and tried to roll back this | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
proposal by saying that it was not something the Tories were definitely | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
going to do. Well, I think it's about time the Tories stood up and | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
said that it's definitely something they will not ever do because it | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
would be downright disgraceful and disgusting and this Government would | :29:56. | :29:57. | |
have absolutely nothing to do with it. | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
Thank you, presiding officer. Can I associate myself with the comments | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
the First Minister has made about the Tory party conference. I think | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
we are on full agreement on that point. If you look at the broad | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
findings from the Scottish Social Attitudes survey as well as figures | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
last week which show that hate crimes in Scotland have fallen over | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
the last year, but we can't be complacent, First Minister. Bad | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
things are still happening in Scotland too often. For example | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
Islamophobic hate crimes have increased by 89%. Prejudiced and | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
hatred has no place in any of our communities, and certainly not in | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
our society. So what specific action will we take to highlight the issue | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
of Islamophobia and reduce hate crimes such as this? | :30:49. | :30:55. | |
Firstly, I agree absolutely with the comments. Indeed, I did say in my | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
first answer that we should not and must not be complacent. There is no | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
disagreement whatsoever from me on that. We see a rise in Islamophobia | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
and the Government continues to work with faith communities to all our | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
quality work to combat discrimination, in particularly to | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
combat the rising trend of Islamophobia. I was speaking at an | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
event at the end of last week organised, an interfaith event, | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
organised by the Alan Bates society where I made mention of the need to | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
make sure that we continue to welcome the fact that hate crimes | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
are falling but not be complacent about that. I know the member is | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
very familiar with the range of what we do. We are seeking to work with | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
communities to bring people together and make diversity something we | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
celebrate as a key strength of our country, not something we fear and | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
exploit. That'll be the way this government behaves. I hope in doing | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
so we continue to have the unanimous support of everybody in this | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
chamber. I beg your pardon. Question number | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
five, Donald Cameron. To ask the first Mr what steps the | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
Scottish and is taking to tackle the rising number of drug-related Acute | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
Hospital stays. While drug-taking amongst the | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
general population is falling, the number of young people taking drugs | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
is at the lowest level in a decade we are determined to tackle problem | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
drug use. Will our partners and supported by an investment of over | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
?600 million we are waking to the working to reduce the harm caused by | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
drug and alcohol use. The result of hospitals is because of a rise chord | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
of older drug users who become more vulnerable and have a greater need | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
for the support and care of our NHS. We continue to work with subsector | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
groups to identify and understand the needs of these individuals. | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
Donald Campbell. The First Minister will be away from the recently | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
published districts reported that general acute admissions increased | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
by almost 500 in the last financial year. The same report showed that | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
around half of those patients lived in the 20% most deprived areas of | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
Scotland. Would be First Minister accept that the Scottish Government | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
needs to do much more to reduce serious drug misusing our most | :33:12. | :33:13. | |
deprived areas? Of course I will. Where we still | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
have a problem of drug use they will also be more that the Government | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
needs to do. But I would genuinely point the member to some of the | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
trends that I highlighted in my opening answer. We are now seeing | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
the number of young people taking drugs at the lowest level in a | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
decade. That suggests that the initiatives we are taking are having | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
some success. Coupled with that it is right to say that we are seeing | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
an increasing trend of hospital admissions but that is related to | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
the ageing cohort of drug users. As people become older having had a | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
lifetime or substantial parts of their lifetime taking drugs, they do | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
more and more need hospital treatment. That's the explanation | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
behind that trend. Drug use in any community, particularly in our most | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
deprived communities, is something we shouldn't and can't be complacent | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
about. We must revelling possible to combat it. | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
Thank you, presiding officer. That is the first winners agree that | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
drug-related acute heart disease are often related to illegal drug use. | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
Can she confirmed drug-related crime has fallen dramatically since the | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
SNP came to office with a fall of 45.7% in North Asia alone? -- North | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
a share. I certainly welcome the point to the | :34:34. | :34:42. | |
recently published crime figures which highlight the reduction in | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
drug offences and reflect positive trends in that area. North Ayrshire | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
Rick wrote: the bucks trends. We know there was no room for | :34:53. | :35:03. | |
complacency. We know about the vulnerability of an ageing cohort of | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
people who are using drugs for many years. We must deal with that. But | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
Kenny Gibson is right to point out that there is cause for optimism. | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
Nationally drug-taking among the general population is falling, and | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
as I've already said today, for young people it is now at the low | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
was level it's been a decade. There is cause for optimism at but we must | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
tackle this problem because it affects too many lives and can | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
affect lives in a very dramatic way. To ask the first Mr what impact the | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
breaching of EU spending rules has had on the funding of infrastructure | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
projects. The European Commission suspended | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
three-year programmes, these managers prevented the Scots | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
government from being reimbursed for money it had already spent for the | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
duration of the suspensions. But there was no impact on projects | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
themselves. All suspensions have now been lifted with the final one being | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
lifted in September this year. I think the first Mr is being badly | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
advised in her response. I'm talking about European statistics authority | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
regulations in relation to infrastructure projects. She has | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
answered, perhaps, a different question. The First Minister will | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
hopefully now be aware that there are at least four major capital | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
project that breach EU rules on funding. In Aberdeen, Edinburgh, | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
dumplings and Galloway Royal Infirmary at the national blood | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
Centre. The total capital required for all four project will be pleased | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
?900 million. According to audit Scotland capital was transferred | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
from housing and from Scottish water and ?300 million was borrowed last | :36:49. | :36:53. | |
year to fill part of the gap. Can I ask the First Minister what further | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
borrowing will be necessary to finance these, and other planned | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
projects? What is the opportunity cost if we still have to find the | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
balance of the 900 million? And what projects will be delayed? | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
Well, I now understand that Jackie Baillie was talking about the | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
reclassification, I'm not sure how anyone could have taken from the | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
wording of her question but I'm glad we now have a meeting of minds the | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
question we are answering. As Jackie Baillie knows the ONS | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
reclassification, and there are a number of issues, we've seen one | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
about housing associations with the awareness reclassified from private | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
to public, the UK Government also has similar issues to contender in | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
terms of the capital projects. The Scottish Government has made a bold | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
provision for these. They will be no interruption in terms of his capital | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
projects. We make sure that our capital programme is taken forward | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
is to deliver the production the country needs and deserves. | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
Thank you, presiding officer. The general's report last week till says | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
that a sum of ?40 million has been lost from Liz got an's account due | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
to financial incompetence and an ability to apply EU accounting | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
rules. Which projects have been kept or delayed because of this | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
incompetence? I Middle Fraser made the same | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
interpretation of Jackie Baillie's question as I did. My previous | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
answer stands in reflect of this. In terms of the suspensions, the effect | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
of suspensions which have all been lifted is to temporarily prevent the | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
Scottish Government being reimbursed for money we have already paid out | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
in projects. There is no impact whatsoever on the product concerned. | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
We learnt lessons as other governments do, we regularly audit | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
projects under these funds. We learn lessons and have applied those | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
lessons in terms of the current round of structural funding. | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
I would say that it is the actions of Murdo Fraser's party that putting | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
future funding under threat. Question number seven, Emma Harbour. | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
To ask the first Mr what the Scottish Government's responses to | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
the polls deadline of March 20 17th for the triggering of Article 50? It | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
does seem clear that the decision on the timing of article 50 is being | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
driven more by the Prime Minister's desire to appease the Tory you are | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
sceptics vanities by any rational consideration of what is in the best | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
interests of the country. -- Tory you are sceptics banned by. As we | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
have heard already and can see from the report this morning the damage | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
that Brexit, especially the hard Brexit the Prime Minister now | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
favours would still drown economy. That is why the Scottish Government | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
will do absolutely everything in our power to protect Scotland's | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
interests. Write frankly First Minister for that answer. Give any | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
timescale it's taken to set a timescale what is the best bet on | :40:05. | :40:07. | |
how long it will take the UK Government to curb with a plan, or | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
any substantial notion of Brexit means? | :40:12. | :40:20. | |
Well, I have no idea! They should have had a plan by now. What I'm | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
more concerned about, with every day that passes, is the direction that | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
the UK Government does seem to be going down, not just exit from the | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
EU, but exit from the single market. Let's be quite clear about what that | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
would mean. It will mean tariffs, nontariff trade barriers to | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
companies that exports to the European Union. It could mean | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
financial services companies losing past sporting rights, it could mean | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
all of us having to pay for the privilege of travelling across | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
Europe. These are real indications for every | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
single one of us. That would be bad enough. But it's even worse because | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
Scotland didn't want to be in this position. I hope everybody in this | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
chamber will unite behind a call from the Scottish Government to stay | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
in the single market. I don't believe, notwithstanding the result | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
of the referendum, I don't believe Theresa May has any mandate to take | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
the UK out of the single market. How many times did believe campaign say | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
that leaving the EU did not mean leaving the single market. I hope | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
liberals Davidson will get behind the Government when it says to | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
Theresa May keep the European UK and EU and stop putting the interests of | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
the Tory Eurosceptics and Ukip ahead of the interests of the country. | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
To ask me first Mr what discussions the Scottish Government is having | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
with the governing bodies of contact sports regarding head injuries. | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
Firstly, on behalf of Parliament can I take this opportunity to convey | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
sincere condolences to the family and friends of the boxer who lost | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
his life in Glasgow last Thursday. The British boxing board is | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
investigating the circumstances of this incident and it would be | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
inappropriate for any of us to comment on details at this time. On | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
the broader issue of concussion in sport we were the first country in | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
the world to introduce standard guidelines for dealing with | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
concussion in sport. These guidelines were published in May | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
last year. The guidelines were developed with a range of experts | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
including the Chief medical officers at the Scottish Government, Scottish | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
rugby and be Scottish football is as a sham. They are made available to | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
all sports clubs and cultures for contact and noncontact sports. | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
-- footballers as the Asian. Can I find the Minister for that response. | :42:46. | :42:47. | |
I also thank her for the very helpful to veggie sent to me this | :42:48. | :42:55. | |
time last year following another First Minister's Questions when I | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
raised the same issue. She said that she fully recognised the seriousness | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
of the issue and intimated that guidance would be updated on regular | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
basis. I wonder if these updates have taken place and whether | :43:09. | :43:10. | |
consideration has been given to the fact that there is currently | :43:11. | :43:13. | |
different guidance for serious concussion injuries in different | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
sports. For example, in boxing the suspension is a minimum of 28 days, | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
whereas in rugby the minimum is seven days away from the sport. | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
Would she agree that the medical expert panel to which she referred | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
might need to look at whether there should be a standard approach? | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
As I said in a rigid Lancer we have introduced standard guidelines for | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
dealing with concussion in sport but shrug as I said in my previous | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
answer. When this law issue was last raised with me I think the prospect | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
of legislation that concern is that at this stage legislation would not | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
be helpful. What I said then is what I say today, we need to keep this | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
under review, and as we do so we need to inform the best medical | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
opinions will stop I'm happy to take the comments Liz Smith has made | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
today and make sure they are discussed by the panel of medical | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
experts that form these decisions. I am happy to enter into further | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
correspondence over what we've done. That includes question Time today. | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
We now move on to remember's business. The very sad subject of | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
the death of that boxer. My sympathies to the family. A wide | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
range of other questions there. Brexit was a dominant factor. I | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
remind you of this report from the Fraser of an inter-Institute. It | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
tracks the various scenarios from Europe. A full-scale hard Brexit, | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
disengagement, on each of those scenarios jobs going, the economy | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
down. A decline in GDP, and a decline in jobs. That was raised. | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
Ruth Davidson raised that. It might have been described as a courageous | :44:59. | :45:00. | |
move. Brave indeed. She knew that she was | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
walking into First Minister's Questions today to face a barrage of | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
criticism. It must be particularly galling given that she probably | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
agrees with a lot of the things that Nicola Sturgeon says. | :45:14. | :45:23. | |
There is no getting away from it, she is in the same party as the | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
people who said all these things she will continue getting pelted the | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
Government finally knocks on the head this idea that foreign workers | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
will be put on lists. It was a brave move to raise that report. The issue | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
of foreign workers on breasts but also Ruth Davidson challenging the | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
First Minister to mitigate the impact of Brexit -- foreign workers | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
on lists. A courageous decision given the origin of Brexit. Yes, a | :45:51. | :45:57. | |
cheeky moving away given that her party is going to take the whole of | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
the UK out of the EU and given the Scottish Government obviously does | :46:03. | :46:09. | |
not have international trade as one of its areas, so Nicola Sturgeon | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
obviously answered quite proactively about taking and setting up pubs in | :46:13. | :46:20. | |
Dublin and Brussels and going into international markets saw it put her | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
on the front foot in saying that we do not have these powers but we are | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
doing things anyway. And she did try to stress that her Government is | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
determined to if possible mitigate the impact of Brexit but she was on | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
a tricky wicket there as well because no one knows precisely the | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
impact. Even the Fraser of Allander Institute report gives a wide range. | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
I just spent three days in Birmingham were at the lack of | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
detail was apparent. The speeches, there was no meat them at also | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
everyone and... We are still getting Brexit means Brexit, we'll make it a | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
success and that is all. If the UK Government is not being clear and it | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
is very do offer Nicola Sturgeon to be clear about what the impact will | :47:04. | :47:05. | |
be. Willie Rennie broadened it on the points you make about Amber | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
Rudd's speech about an audit of foreign workers. The First Minister | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
said it would be appalling if they were used as bargaining chips. First | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
Minister is really exercised about this, isn't she? She is really | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
angry. She's right, I think many people are appalled. I think most | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
people in the rest of the UK are appalled at this idea and the UK | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
Government are going to put out a consultation on this idea of having | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
a foreign worker list. But I think they should kill it off. The | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
business reaction has been appalling, the reaction from Tory | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
supporting papers like the Telegraph has been appalling and the sooner | :47:44. | :47:45. | |
they kill it, the better for the Government and for Ruth Davidson as | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
well. On this point, Amber Rudd as was noted seems to have rolled back | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
a bit from saying that this is something the UK Government will | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
definitely do. Yes, it's strange. You'd think she would have predicted | :47:58. | :48:05. | |
the reaction she has got but a think it's clear from the way she is | :48:06. | :48:08. | |
backtracking now but she obviously did not expect that. Perhaps at a | :48:09. | :48:10. | |
conference it seems like some in that reflects the mood? Perhaps it | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
reflects the mood within the party but she did not realise what the | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
reaction would be within the wider country. So, yes, it suggests a bit | :48:19. | :48:27. | |
of out of touch in terms of what she thought was going to happen by | :48:28. | :48:30. | |
saying that. Our different topic but the question of hate crime and | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
hateful attitudes but it was linked as well by Christina McKelvie to, | :48:35. | :48:41. | |
perhaps unfairly, to the response at the Conservative conference. Then we | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
had quite a substantial debate about decline in hate crime but reminding | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
that Islamophobic a crime is up. There was generally hate crime | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
following in that report. Actually, what was not mentioned in there and | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
which links into the Brexit thing was a third of Scots are worried | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
about Eastern EU immigration taking their jobs but that was perhaps not | :49:05. | :49:07. | |
mentioned by Christina McKelvie because it would not fit in with her | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
line of argument. It's only the case that there are those attitudes here | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
in Scotland as well is out of the border. Let's turn to these things | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
that were raised by Kezia Dugdale for Labour, about ScotRail. She was | :49:21. | :49:31. | |
talking about a very populist nerve. Commuters are sick of her services. | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
Absolutely. It is something that we are hearing from across the UK with | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
Sutherland strikes still going on. I feel that Kezia Dugdale does not | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
really managed to get an answer from the First Minister because she | :49:46. | :49:48. | |
raised the point about ticket prices versus wages and I think it was 23% | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
was the cap on ticket price rises and 6% was the amount that raises... | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
Wages are going up. She asked it and I think Nicola Sturgeon got around | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
it and just hopped about service levels that they are working on and | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
the kind of improvement they are working on the day have asked | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
ScotRail for. It is always an open goal, this one. Commuters are sick | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
of the service they get but she pushes it on a range of topics or a | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
range of aspects. Yes, I think Kezia Dugdale picked as subject that | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
really does annoy people and that is a thing. I am lucky enough to live | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
in Edinburgh so I don't have to commute but enough of my friends do | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
and are scathing about the service and you could tell that Nicola | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
Sturgeon was in some bother. She said that she was not going to make | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
excuses. There was no real substantive answer to the questions | :50:40. | :50:46. | |
that Kezia Dugdale was raising. Hold of Razak and we will track for a | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
moment. Back to Brexit, I have talked to John McAlpine who is the | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
convener of the European committee that are having a commission. They | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
are the ones who commissioned this Fraser of Allander reports that has | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
caused so much fuss. But they are investigating the impact of Brexit | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
in Scotland. I asked if there should be able to hear at Holyrood on the | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
bill, the great repeal bill as the Prime Minister calls it. I'd put it | :51:14. | :51:17. | |
to her that UK sources were saying this was a matter for the UK because | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
it was the UK as a whole that would be leaving the EEC can make European | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
Union. Here was her response. That's absolute nonsense. It impacts on so | :51:26. | :51:34. | |
many default areas and its impact on Scottish businesses, Scottish | :51:35. | :51:36. | |
organisations, Scottish charities, the cultural sector and even in | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
areas where we are told we will get all the power back, like fishing for | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
example, we are told that will be repatriated. The maritime boundaries | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
are not going to be repatriated and there is already talk of the UK | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
Government is using Scotland's fishing grounds as a bargaining tool | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
because they determine who gets access to them. There is a lot of | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
areas where Scotland will be affected so it's important that the | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
Government gives all sectors a voice because they certainly will not get | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
a voice to Westminster. You have two elements here. Negotiations, which | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
is UK Government is consulting but when you have this bill that is now | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
being proposed, the title my great repeal Bill the Prime Minister is | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
calling it to return powers to these islands. Do you think Holyrood | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
should have a role in that? Should there be a register of consent | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
motion that allows a vote in this Parliament as well? I would've | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
thought there would have to be alleged to have consent motion | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
because it impacts are many areas of Scottish law. EU law is constrained | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
in Scots law so it will affect that so it has to be EU legislative | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
consent. You think that is plain? Some people are saying that it is | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
about foreign affairs Constitution. I think there is a huge lack of | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
understanding about the devolution sextant. There is only one | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
convention that says if there is little in the Westminster parliament | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
that impacts on devolved areas it must get the consent of the Scottish | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
parliament. Clearly, this impacts on devolved areas and the decision on | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
the LCM as I understand it is made here. It's made by the presiding | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
officer, for example. What of that is contested by Westminster? That | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
would be an unprecedented constitutional territory. It is the | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
Government here and BPO, my understanding, that are in charge of | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
the United have consent process. What if voices, officials, whatever, | :53:35. | :53:36. | |
MPs and ministers at Westminster say that this is purely a UK matter? | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
They can say what they like, but is our decision. We make the judgment | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
on whether it goes to the Scottish parliament and in the Scottish | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
Parliament vote on its democratic way. We have advisers to our | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
committee, one of them Sean Douglas Scott who is professor of law at | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
London University, so I believe she is doing some work on this for the | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
committee... Does this go to a legal battle, visible to a political | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
battle? I think there would be a huge constitutional crisis. It is | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
important to remember that Theresa May in this whole process when she | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
came Prime Minister, she started off on the right fit. He came to | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
Scotland, told us we would be involved, she would not trigger | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
Article 50 as such times as she had a UK wide agreements. Now she's gone | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
ahead and said she will trickle Article 50. She does not have UK | :54:27. | :54:34. | |
wide agreements. She hasn't even set up the mechanism to consult with the | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
devolved governments. We have not had a meeting of the joint | :54:38. | :54:39. | |
ministerial committee yet. She says this is ultimately for the UK | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
Government to take the UK as a whole out of the European Union. That is | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
not what she said in July. What she said then was that there would be a | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
UK wide approach and we would not be windowdressing, the First Minister | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
said, we would be involved in shaping the UK's negotiating | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
position. That is not what she is saying now. That whole respect | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
agenda seems to be out of the window. It is another broken promise | :55:02. | :55:13. | |
just that they broke a promise not to take it out of the EU if we voted | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
no in the independence referendum. There we have it. Joan McAlpine | :55:17. | :55:18. | |
making her views very clear. Simon, does this matter? Do you think there | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
has to be alleged to have consent motion. Should Holyrood have its | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
say? I think Theresa May was not born yesterday. If she really going | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
to offer the Scottish Parliament the chance of a consent motion solicitor | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
and it down? She has already not been very keen of it going to | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
Westminster Parliament, let's be honest. Certainly trying to avoid | :55:40. | :55:42. | |
the trigger going through the parliament. Why would you? There | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
would be a crisis if you make that offer and then it was rejected and | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
the great repeal bill was withheld, so it would seem likely that it | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
would be rejected, so I don't see in a million years why she would do | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
that. Ultimately, Westminster can say Holyrood has withheld consent of | :56:01. | :56:03. | |
these things, how sad, we are carrying on but that would not be | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
good politics as Simon is suggesting. No, it is a risk. Try to | :56:07. | :56:15. | |
get this balance. I think we have seen a shift because to begin with | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
Theresa May seem to be very cold so later it would Scotland. Joan | :56:19. | :56:20. | |
McAlpine says there has been a U-turn. There has been a shift. | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
First they seem to be a working together, yes, we will talk to | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
everyone is happy with its. Now those very much, we will not have | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
national standing in our way, we don't need to tell you what we are | :56:33. | :56:35. | |
doing. Do you think there has been a shift? If there has been, Theresa | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
May does seem to be seen consulting with Nicola Sturgeon. I agree with | :56:41. | :56:50. | |
Joan McAlpine on that, there must be formal talks, negotiations. We are | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
early on in the process at the moment, but there has to be that. | :56:54. | :56:55. | |
There are two things. There are the negotiations and the bill. The | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
negotiations, you are saying should be involving Scotland. Absolutely. | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
She should be seen to be doing that southern Nicola Sturgeon is feeding | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
her ideas into the negotiation stance. What is the danger from a UK | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
perspective otherwise? The danger is, obviously we already have | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
Scotland being taken out against its will on terms to which it didn't | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
agree, that just makes it even worse. We're hearing from the | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
Scottish Government that there is to be a joint ministerial committee at | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
the end of this month and they want this to be a platform for their | :57:30. | :57:32. | |
involvement, don't they? But on the other hand, David Mundell and | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
Theresa May are saying they will consult with and engaged but the UK | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
Government will take the UK out of the EU. It is challenging for them | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
because they need to consult, they need to be seen to be taken on board | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
ideas, but at the same time, they to retain control and say it is | :57:54. | :57:56. | |
actually asked that is in charge because at the end of the day... | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
Very briefly, Simon. SNP conference next week. It might come up? Just on | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
the fringe somewhere? Everyone will be hanging on every word the Nicola | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
Sturgeon has to say about a second independence referendum. Is she | :58:11. | :58:12. | |
going to try to march them down from the top of the hill or issue | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
actually going to hit the button as it were? We will be watching avidly, | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
I'm sure. Thank you both. Little bit of a sushi kicking around social | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
media. Idol read it myself, but I'm told it's happened. Apparently he | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
thinks some of the Scottish press are a bit lazy in their attitude to | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
coverage. I was going to discuss it with my colleagues here, but we just | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
couldn't be bothered, basically (!) We can get round to it. That is the | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
end of the of questions to the First Minister. Brexit dominating. We will | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
be off to the SNP conference next week. From me, goodbye. | :58:53. | :58:57. |