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A warm welcome to the Scottish A warm welcome to the Scottish

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Parliament here at Holyrood, where Parliament here at Holyrood, where

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Parliament here at Holyrood, where they're talking money. The Monday

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they're talking money. The Monday they're talking money. The Monday

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they're talking money. The Monday topic is future -- the Big Topic is

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topic is future -- the Big Topic is topic is future -- the Big Topic is

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future spending. We have a report future spending. We have a report

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future spending. We have a report United suggesting now Scotland is

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United suggesting now Scotland is United suggesting now Scotland is

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doing relatively better than the doing relatively better than the

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doing relatively better than the doing relatively better than the

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rest of the UK. Still a deficit, but rest of the UK. Still a deficit, but

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rest of the UK. Still a deficit, but rest of the UK. Still a deficit, but

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rest of the UK. Still a deficit, but not as bad as the rest of the UK.

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not as bad as the rest of the UK. not as bad as the rest of the UK.

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not as bad as the rest of the UK. And a leaked paper setting out views

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And a leaked paper setting out views And a leaked paper setting out views

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from John Swinney on future from John Swinney on future

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prospects. Fairly gloomy prospects prospects. Fairly gloomy prospects

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prospects. Fairly gloomy prospects for Scottish ex-pepped CHUR. Any or

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for Scottish ex-pepped CHUR. Any or for Scottish ex-pepped CHUR. Any or

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for Scottish ex-pepped CHUR. Any or -- expenditure. Any or all of those

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-- expenditure. Any or all of those -- expenditure. Any or all of those

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-- expenditure. Any or all of those topics could come up in questions to

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topics could come up in questions to topics could come up in questions to

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the First Minister. Let's find out the First Minister. Let's find out

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the First Minister. Let's find out with my colleague, Glenn Campbell.

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with my colleague, Glenn Campbell. with my colleague, Glenn Campbell.

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The Justice Secretary is finishing The Justice Secretary is finishing

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The Justice Secretary is finishing an answer about women offenders. Now

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an answer about women offenders. Now an answer about women offenders. Now

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an answer about women offenders. Now time for the main event of the week.

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time for the main event of the week. time for the main event of the week.

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To ask what engagements he has To ask what engagements he has

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To ask what engagements he has To ask what engagements he has

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MRAPed. I will have meetings to take MRAPed. I will have meetings to take

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forward the Government's programme forward the Government's programme

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forward the Government's programme for Scotland. Thank you. John

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for Scotland. Thank you. John for Scotland. Thank you. John

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Swinney told the cabinet in private Swinney told the cabinet in private

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Swinney told the cabinet in private Swinney told the cabinet in private

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that the volatility of the price of that the volatility of the price of

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that the volatility of the price of oil and creates uncertainty in

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oil and creates uncertainty in project ing Scotland's fiscal

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project ing Scotland's fiscal project ing Scotland's fiscal

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project ing Scotland's fiscal position. When was he going to share

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position. When was he going to share position. When was he going to share

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that with the Scottish public? that with the Scottish public?

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that with the Scottish public? John Swinney pointed out is the

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John Swinney pointed out is the opportunities for Scotland having

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opportunities for Scotland having opportunities for Scotland having

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control of its own natural resources control of its own natural resources

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control of its own natural resources will allow us to transform the

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will allow us to transform the will allow us to transform the

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Scottish economy and society. Scottish economy and society.

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absolutely astonished. It would absolutely astonished. It would

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absolutely astonished. It would appear the First Minister has not

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appear the First Minister has not appear the First Minister has not

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appear the First Minister has not even read the document that his own

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even read the document that his own even read the document that his own

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Finance Secretary wrote. Or maybe he Finance Secretary wrote. Or maybe he

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simply wasn't paying attention, simply wasn't paying attention,

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simply wasn't paying attention, simply wasn't paying attention,

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because it didn't say what he wanted because it didn't say what he wanted

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because it didn't say what he wanted because it didn't say what he wanted

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it to say. When I called for a it to say. When I called for a

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it to say. When I called for a debate in facing unto spending and

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debate in facing unto spending and debate in facing unto spending and

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services, the First Minister derided services, the First Minister derided

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services, the First Minister derided services, the First Minister derided

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me. Order. Let's here the -- hear me. Order. Let's here the -- hear

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me. Order. Let's here the -- hear the member please. You're not opt

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the member please. You're not opt the member please. You're not opt

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the member please. You're not opt best of grounds on this. When I

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best of grounds on this. When I best of grounds on this. When I

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best of grounds on this. When I called for a debate on facing up to

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called for a debate on facing up to long-term spending, the First

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long-term spending, the First long-term spending, the First

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Minister derided me. Now, we find Minister derided me. Now, we find

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Minister derided me. Now, we find Minister derided me. Now, we find

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while I was talking about how we while I was talking about how we

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saved services, John Swinney... saved services, John Swinney...

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saved services, John Swinney... saved services, John Swinney...

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Order. I think the noise is inverse Order. I think the noise is inverse

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Order. I think the noise is inverse proportion to the confidence in

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 174 seconds

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proportion to the confidence in proportion to the confidence in

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their own Finance Secretary. Let's their own Finance Secretary. Let's

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their own Finance Secretary. Let's their own Finance Secretary. Let's

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see if we can get honesty with the see if we can get honesty with the

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see if we can get honesty with the troops. The decision to renege on

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troops. The decision to renege on troops. The decision to renege on

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the promise to Scottish troops the promise to Scottish troops

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the promise to Scottish troops serving abroad that they would come

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serving abroad that they would come serving abroad that they would come

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serving abroad that they would come home was a blow. We can both agree

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home was a blow. We can both agree home was a blow. We can both agree

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on that. The deputy First Minister on that. The deputy First Minister

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on that. The deputy First Minister on that. The deputy First Minister

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described it as an act of betrayal. described it as an act of betrayal.

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described it as an act of betrayal. described it as an act of betrayal.

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described it as an act of betrayal. We can agree on that too. How to you

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We can agree on that too. How to you We can agree on that too. How to you

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describe the revelations in this describe the revelations in this

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describe the revelations in this leaked paper that rather than

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leaked paper that rather than leaked paper that rather than

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increase the size of our armed increase the size of our armed

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increase the size of our armed increase the size of our armed

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forces the SNP has made clear to the forces the SNP has made clear to the

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forces the SNP has made clear to the defence work streams that a much

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defence work streams that a much defence work streams that a much

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lower budget must be assumed. So lower budget must be assumed. So

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lower budget must be assumed. So lower budget must be assumed. So

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again should we now assume it will again should we now assume it will

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again should we now assume it will again should we now assume it will

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be a much lower budget and the be a much lower budget and the

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be a much lower budget and the deputy First Minister was being

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deputy First Minister was being deputy First Minister was being

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dishonest with the troops? Well dishonest with the troops? Well

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dishonest with the troops? Well dishonest with the troops? Well

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first I quoted from the document and first I quoted from the document and

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first I quoted from the document and I did so to indicate the

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I did so to indicate the misrepresentation of the better

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misrepresentation of the better misrepresentation of the better

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together campaign. I pointed out the together campaign. I pointed out the

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together campaign. I pointed out the document project ing growth was

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document project ing growth was document project ing growth was

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described by Johann Lamont as cuts. described by Johann Lamont as cuts.

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described by Johann Lamont as cuts. described by Johann Lamont as cuts.

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That is not true. Let's turn to the That is not true. Let's turn to the

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That is not true. Let's turn to the issue of defence. The issue of

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issue of defence. The issue of defence indicates exactly why

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defence indicates exactly why defence indicates exactly why

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Scotland should have the fiscal Scotland should have the fiscal

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freedom that independence will freedom that independence will

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freedom that independence will bring. First currently over �3

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bring. First currently over �3 bring. First currently over �3

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billion is allocated to Scotland as billion is allocated to Scotland as

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billion is allocated to Scotland as our contribution to the UK defence

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our contribution to the UK defence our contribution to the UK defence

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our contribution to the UK defence forces. But only �2 billion is spent

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forces. But only �2 billion is spent forces. But only �2 billion is spent

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in Scotland. Instead of the 6,000 in Scotland. Instead of the 6,000

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in Scotland. Instead of the 6,000 additional troops that Scotland was

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additional troops that Scotland was additional troops that Scotland was

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promised, we are being offered 600 promised, we are being offered 600

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promised, we are being offered 600 promised, we are being offered 600

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or less in terms of the calculation. or less in terms of the calculation.

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or less in terms of the calculation. Because Scotland only gets a

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Because Scotland only gets a Because Scotland only gets a

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Because Scotland only gets a fraction of what we pay for in

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fraction of what we pay for in fraction of what we pay for in

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defence. Except when it comes to defence. Except when it comes to

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defence. Except when it comes to weapons of mass destruction. When it

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weapons of mass destruction. When it weapons of mass destruction. When it

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comes to weapons of mass comes to weapons of mass

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destruction, we don't get destruction, we don't get

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underrepresented, we get Jove underrepresented, we get Jove

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underrepresented, we get Jove represented in Scotland and in fact

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represented in Scotland and in fact represented in Scotland and in fact

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represented in Scotland and in fact we get all of the UK's weapons of

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we get all of the UK's weapons of we get all of the UK's weapons of

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we get all of the UK's weapons of mass destruction. That is why I find

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mass destruction. That is why I find mass destruction. That is why I find

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it extraordinary that a Labour Party it extraordinary that a Labour Party

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it extraordinary that a Labour Party whose defence spokesman on the radio

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whose defence spokesman on the radio whose defence spokesman on the radio

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whose defence spokesman on the radio couldn't tell us how many troops the

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couldn't tell us how many troops the couldn't tell us how many troops the

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Labour Party would want to station Labour Party would want to station

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Labour Party would want to station Labour Party would want to station

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in Scotland, but can tell us how in Scotland, but can tell us how

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in Scotland, but can tell us how many nuclear missiles they want to

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many nuclear missiles they want to many nuclear missiles they want to

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station in Scotland. It is station in Scotland. It is

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station in Scotland. It is astonishing what a difference a day

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astonishing what a difference a day astonishing what a difference a day

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makes. Yesterday, this was the first makes. Yesterday, this was the first

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makes. Yesterday, this was the first draft of a discussion document. Now

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draft of a discussion document. Now draft of a discussion document. Now

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it turns out the document confirms it turns out the document confirms

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it turns out the document confirms the First Minister's land of milk

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the First Minister's land of milk the First Minister's land of milk

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and honey under independence. It and honey under independence. It

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and honey under independence. It can't possibly be both. Because in

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can't possibly be both. Because in can't possibly be both. Because in

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private, John Swinney says that private, John Swinney says that

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private, John Swinney says that after separation interest in our

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after separation interest in our after separation interest in our

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debt will be a significant feature debt will be a significant feature

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debt will be a significant feature of Scotland's budget. In private,

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of Scotland's budget. In private, of Scotland's budget. In private,

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of Scotland's budget. In private, they have read it you might not have

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they have read it you might not have they have read it you might not have

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they have read it you might not have heard this! In fact I know you won't

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heard this! In fact I know you won't heard this! In fact I know you won't

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heard this! In fact I know you won't have heard it. Order.In private, he

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have heard it. Order.In private, he have heard it. Order.In private, he

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admits after separation what we admits after separation what we

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admits after separation what we admits after separation what we

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spend will have to in line with spend will have to in line with

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spend will have to in line with spend will have to in line with

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policy set by a foreign bank, that policy set by a foreign bank, that

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policy set by a foreign bank, that policy set by a foreign bank, that

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of the rest of the United Kingdom. of the rest of the United Kingdom.

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of the rest of the United Kingdom. of the rest of the United Kingdom.

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In private, John Swinney asked for a In private, John Swinney asked for a

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In private, John Swinney asked for a In private, John Swinney asked for a

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study into something as basic as the study into something as basic as the

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study into something as basic as the affordability of a state pension in

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affordability of a state pension in affordability of a state pension in

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a separate Scotland. In public, he a separate Scotland. In public, he

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a separate Scotland. In public, he says anyone who raises the same

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says anyone who raises the same says anyone who raises the same

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questions is talking Scotland down. questions is talking Scotland down.

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questions is talking Scotland down. questions is talking Scotland down.

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We have heard a lot of numbers from We have heard a lot of numbers from

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We have heard a lot of numbers from the First Minister today, but the

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the First Minister today, but the the First Minister today, but the

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real deficit that should be worry real deficit that should be worry

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real deficit that should be worry real deficit that should be worry

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ing Scots is the one between what ing Scots is the one between what

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ing Scots is the one between what the First Minister says in private

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the First Minister says in private the First Minister says in private

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the First Minister says in private and what he says in public. Isn't it

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and what he says in public. Isn't it and what he says in public. Isn't it

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and what he says in public. Isn't it the case that what in public the SNP

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the case that what in public the SNP the case that what in public the SNP

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claim is scaremongering in private claim is scaremongering in private

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claim is scaremongering in private they agree is the truth.

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they agree is the truth. they agree is the truth.

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projections were sent out last year projections were sent out last year

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projections were sent out last year projections were sent out last year

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at �2. 5 billion as a public at �2. 5 billion as a public

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at �2. 5 billion as a public statement. The working group, I

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 174 seconds

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statement. The working group, I statement. The working group, I

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brought To ask the First Minister brought To ask the First Minister

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brought To ask the First Minister brought To ask the First Minister

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when he will meet the Secretary of when he will meet the Secretary of

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when he will meet the Secretary of when he will meet the Secretary of

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State. No plans in the near future. State. No plans in the near future.

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State. No plans in the near future. Let's stick with this First

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Let's stick with this First Let's stick with this First

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Minister's seeming inability to be Minister's seeming inability to be

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Minister's seeming inability to be straight with the people of Scotland

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straight with the people of Scotland straight with the people of Scotland

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straight with the people of Scotland and what he knows to be true in

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and what he knows to be true in and what he knows to be true in

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private. Because this First Minister private. Because this First Minister

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private. Because this First Minister says that an independent Scotland

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says that an independent Scotland will deliver universal benefits,

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will deliver universal benefits, will deliver universal benefits,

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have well funded public services and have well funded public services and

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have well funded public services and have well funded public services and

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have well funded public services and all of it will be paid for by oil,

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all of it will be paid for by oil, all of it will be paid for by oil,

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the resource he has extolled. the resource he has extolled.

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However... Order.John Swinney's However... Order.John Swinney's

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However... Order.John Swinney's document states that oil receipts

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document states that oil receipts document states that oil receipts

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document states that oil receipts will fall by 50% between 2011 and

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will fall by 50% between 2011 and will fall by 50% between 2011 and

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2016. He says that these forecasts 2016. He says that these forecasts

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2016. He says that these forecasts have not been challenged by the

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have not been challenged by the industry or by independent

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industry or by independent industry or by independent

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commentators. So the oil money will commentators. So the oil money will

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commentators. So the oil money will commentators. So the oil money will

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will half. He says there will be a will half. He says there will be a

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will half. He says there will be a down ward revision in public

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down ward revision in public down ward revision in public

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spending. So this document that has spending. So this document that has

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spending. So this document that has spending. So this document that has

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been extol ed by the First Minister been extol ed by the First Minister

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been extol ed by the First Minister shows an independent Scotland would

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shows an independent Scotland would shows an independent Scotland would

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shows an independent Scotland would have half the oil money, double the

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have half the oil money, double the have half the oil money, double the

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deficit and it would be ordinary deficit and it would be ordinary

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deficit and it would be ordinary deficit and it would be ordinary

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deficit and it would be ordinary Scots who pay for it all. So I ask

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Scots who pay for it all. So I ask Scots who pay for it all. So I ask

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Scots who pay for it all. So I ask the First Minister why has none of

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the First Minister why has none of the First Minister why has none of

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the First Minister why has none of this, none of this ever been said in

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this, none of this ever been said in this, none of this ever been said in

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this, none of this ever been said in public before? Well the last week at

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public before? Well the last week at public before? Well the last week at

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First Minister's questions and I First Minister's questions and I

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First Minister's questions and I think Ruth Davidson was here, I

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think Ruth Davidson was here, I think Ruth Davidson was here, I

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pointed out the implications to this pointed out the implications to this

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pointed out the implications to this chamber of the surging, the record

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chamber of the surging, the record chamber of the surging, the record

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surging of investment in North Sea surging of investment in North Sea

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surging of investment in North Sea surging of investment in North Sea

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oil and gas. I pointed out the oil and gas. I pointed out the

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oil and gas. I pointed out the industry projections and what that

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industry projections and what that industry projections and what that

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industry projections and what that would mean for oil and gas revenues.

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would mean for oil and gas revenues. would mean for oil and gas revenues.

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would mean for oil and gas revenues. Perhaps can I read them out. Because

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Perhaps can I read them out. Because Perhaps can I read them out. Because

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Perhaps can I read them out. Because this says what has happened over the

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this says what has happened over the this says what has happened over the

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this says what has happened over the last year. I know that Ruth Davidson

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last year. I know that Ruth Davidson last year. I know that Ruth Davidson

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last year. I know that Ruth Davidson must be aware that we now have a

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must be aware that we now have a must be aware that we now have a

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record level of investment in the record level of investment in the

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record level of investment in the record level of investment in the

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North Sea. I quote from the press North Sea. I quote from the press

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North Sea. I quote from the press North Sea. I quote from the press

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release. As a result of high ear in release. As a result of high ear in

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release. As a result of high ear in vestment thousands of jobs are being

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vestment thousands of jobs are being vestment thousands of jobs are being

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created, the production of oil and created, the production of oil and

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created, the production of oil and created, the production of oil and

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gas and tax rev NUFs can now gas and tax rev NUFs can now

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gas and tax rev NUFs can now confidently be expected to rise over

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confidently be expected to rise over confidently be expected to rise over

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 174 seconds

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the coming years. Because of that the coming years. Because of that

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the coming years. Because of that record investment, Ruth Davidson has

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record investment, Ruth Davidson has record investment, Ruth Davidson has

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said the OBR hasn't been challenged. said the OBR hasn't been challenged.

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said the OBR hasn't been challenged. said the OBR hasn't been challenged.

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But UK oil and gas represent the But UK oil and gas represent the

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But UK oil and gas represent the industries. Why have they invested

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industries. Why have they invested industries. Why have they invested

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industries. Why have they invested �13 billion over the last year in

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�13 billion over the last year in �13 billion over the last year in

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�13 billion over the last year in North Sea oil and gas? Because they

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North Sea oil and gas? Because they North Sea oil and gas? Because they

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believe that will leave to increased believe that will leave to increased

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production and increased revenues. production and increased revenues.

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production and increased revenues. The question is which exchequer is

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The question is which exchequer is The question is which exchequer is

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going to get these increases? Under going to get these increases? Under

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going to get these increases? Under the formulation of Ruth Davidson and

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the formulation of Ruth Davidson and the formulation of Ruth Davidson and

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her colleagues, Scotland will get her colleagues, Scotland will get

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her colleagues, Scotland will get the cuts, the wealthier cuts coming

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the cuts, the wealthier cuts coming the cuts, the wealthier cuts coming

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the cuts, the wealthier cuts coming in, the cuts in public spending, but

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in, the cuts in public spending, but in, the cuts in public spending, but

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London will get the increased London will get the increased

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London will get the increased London will get the increased

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revenues. Just as they have for the revenues. Just as they have for the

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revenues. Just as they have for the revenues. Just as they have for the

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last 40 years. For 40 years we have last 40 years. For 40 years we have

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last 40 years. For 40 years we have had Tory politicians telling us that

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had Tory politicians telling us that had Tory politicians telling us that

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had Tory politicians telling us that north Sea oil and gas is running out

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north Sea oil and gas is running out north Sea oil and gas is running out

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north Sea oil and gas is running out north Sea oil and gas is running out

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and we now have the Ed that the next and we now have the Ed that the next

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and we now have the Ed that the next 40 years will have greater value

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40 years will have greater value 40 years will have greater value

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40 years will have greater value than the last 40 years. We are going

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than the last 40 years. We are going than the last 40 years. We are going

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than the last 40 years. We are going to make sure having London have its

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to make sure having London have its to make sure having London have its

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to make sure having London have its turn the next 40 clears will be

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 174 seconds

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We have been doing all we can to We have been doing all we can to

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We have been doing all we can to help. We can't to do everything to

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help. We can't to do everything to help. We can't to do everything to

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maintain operations. Of course we maintain operations. Of course we

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maintain operations. Of course we will preside for support for

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will preside for support for will preside for support for

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employees facing redundancy and you employees facing redundancy and you

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employees facing redundancy and you employees facing redundancy and you

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can be sure this will be a key can be sure this will be a key

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can be sure this will be a key can be sure this will be a key

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concern of Government as we try to concern of Government as we try to

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concern of Government as we try to do our best for the employees

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do our best for the employees do our best for the employees

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affected. What will be discuss at affected. What will be discuss at

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affected. What will be discuss at the cabinet meeting. Issues of

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the cabinet meeting. Issues of the cabinet meeting. Issues of

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important to people of Scotland. important to people of Scotland.

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important to people of Scotland. important to people of Scotland.

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know what they think. In private, he know what they think. In private, he

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know what they think. In private, he is a pessimist. On oil, they're

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is a pessimist. On oil, they're is a pessimist. On oil, they're

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worried. On public service jobs worried. On public service jobs

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worried. On public service jobs they're alarmed and on pensions

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they're alarmed and on pensions they're alarmed and on pensions

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they're panicking. On these three they're panicking. On these three

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they're panicking. On these three challenges, identified by his own

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challenges, identified by his own challenges, identified by his own

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Finance Secretary, which keeps the Finance Secretary, which keeps the

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Finance Secretary, which keeps the First Minister awake at night.

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First Minister awake at night. First Minister awake at night.

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First Minister awake at night. doesn't keep me awake having to face

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doesn't keep me awake having to face doesn't keep me awake having to face

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Charles Rennie Mackintosh. I sleep Charles Rennie Mackintosh. I sleep

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Charles Rennie Mackintosh. I sleep Charles Rennie Mackintosh. I sleep

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soundly. But I woke up this morning soundly. But I woke up this morning

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soundly. But I woke up this morning to hear Charles Rennie Mackintosh on

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to hear Charles Rennie Mackintosh on to hear Charles Rennie Mackintosh on

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to hear Charles Rennie Mackintosh on the radio. If he said it once he

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the radio. If he said it once he the radio. If he said it once he

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the radio. If he said it once he must have said it half a dozen times

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must have said it half a dozen times must have said it half a dozen times

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that oil was running out. Their that oil was running out. Their

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that oil was running out. Their arguments as to why oil production

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arguments as to why oil production arguments as to why oil production

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arguments as to why oil production and gas production is going back to

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and gas production is going back to and gas production is going back to

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and gas production is going back to two billion barrels a day and rev

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two billion barrels a day and rev two billion barrels a day and rev

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two billion barrels a day and rev news will be rising result as a

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news will be rising result as a news will be rising result as a

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result of investment, perhaps he result of investment, perhaps he

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result of investment, perhaps he result of investment, perhaps he

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will next time he is on the radio will next time he is on the radio

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will next time he is on the radio will next time he is on the radio

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won't keep me awake by going through won't keep me awake by going through

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won't keep me awake by going through the familiar routine we have heard

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the familiar routine we have heard the familiar routine we have heard

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from unionists that it is all from unionists that it is all

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from unionists that it is all from unionists that it is all

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running out and it is not there, it running out and it is not there, it

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running out and it is not there, it running out and it is not there, it

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is too much trouble. It is the most is too much trouble. It is the most

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is too much trouble. It is the most wonderful resource and every country

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wonderful resource and every country wonderful resource and every country

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would give their eye teeth toff would give their eye teeth toff

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would give their eye teeth toff We know the celebrations now are

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We know the celebrations now are We know the celebrations now are

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It is only his Cabinet colleagues It is only his Cabinet colleagues

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It is only his Cabinet colleagues It is only his Cabinet colleagues

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that get to know the truth about that get to know the truth about

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that get to know the truth about the deal price of independence. Why

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the deal price of independence. Why the deal price of independence. Why

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the deal price of independence. Why does he think the real truth is any

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does he think the real truth is any does he think the real truth is any

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good enough for the privileged few? good enough for the privileged few?

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good enough for the privileged few? good enough for the privileged few?

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Let's see if I can reply. I don't Let's see if I can reply. I don't

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Let's see if I can reply. I don't think either truth or deficit so

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think either truth or deficit so think either truth or deficit so

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are the strongest suit of the are the strongest suit of the

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are the strongest suit of the Liberal Democrats at the moment. I

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Liberal Democrats at the moment. I Liberal Democrats at the moment. I

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will read what the document says will read what the document says

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will read what the document says about public spending. What keeps

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about public spending. What keeps about public spending. What keeps

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me awake just now is the me awake just now is the

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me awake just now is the implications of a liberal Tory

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implications of a liberal Tory implications of a liberal Tory

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policy in Scotland and the declines policy in Scotland and the declines

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policy in Scotland and the declines in public spending that are going

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in public spending that are going in public spending that are going

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in public spending that are going on. What keeps me awake is the

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on. What keeps me awake is the on. What keeps me awake is the

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on. What keeps me awake is the bedroom tax at the impact of social

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bedroom tax at the impact of social bedroom tax at the impact of social

:22:12.:22:13.

security in Scotland. It is the security in Scotland. It is the

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security in Scotland. It is the security in Scotland. It is the

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billion pounds that is going to be billion pounds that is going to be

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billion pounds that is going to be withdrawn from the poorest sections

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withdrawn from the poorest sections withdrawn from the poorest sections

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of the community thanks to the of the community thanks to the

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of the community thanks to the policies of the Tory and Liberal

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policies of the Tory and Liberal policies of the Tory and Liberal

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administration in London. It is administration in London. It is

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administration in London. It is Trident missiles for the next 50

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Trident missiles for the next 50 Trident missiles for the next 50

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years in Scotland. We should be years in Scotland. We should be

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years in Scotland. We should be spending that money on the social

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spending that money on the social spending that money on the social

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and economic welfare of Scotland. and economic welfare of Scotland.

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and economic welfare of Scotland. and economic welfare of Scotland.

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What keeps me awake is not the band of Liberal Democrat

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of Liberal Democrat doorstep of Liberal Democrat doorstep

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of Liberal Democrat doorstep because sooner or later, one of

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because sooner or later, one of because sooner or later, one of

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because sooner or later, one of them is going to work out why there

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them is going to work out why there them is going to work out why there

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Rat only by that Liberal Democrats Rat only by that Liberal Democrats

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Rat only by that Liberal Democrats in this Chamber up. Because they

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in this Chamber up. Because they in this Chamber up. Because they

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in this Chamber up. Because they put the Tories into what power in

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put the Tories into what power in Westminster. Question number four.

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Westminster. Question number four. Westminster. Question number four.

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Thank you. What consideration has Thank you. What consideration has

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Thank you. What consideration has the Scottish government given to

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the Scottish government given to the introduction of legislation

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the introduction of legislation the introduction of legislation

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regarding the implementation of the regarding the implementation of the

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regarding the implementation of the relevant Convention rights that the

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relevant Convention rights that the relevant Convention rights that the

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UK government was to repeal the UK government was to repeal the

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UK government was to repeal the Human Rights Act of 1998.

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Human Rights Act of 1998. Scottish government strongly oppose

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Scottish government strongly oppose Scottish government strongly oppose

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Scottish government strongly oppose the repeal of the Human Rights Act.

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the repeal of the Human Rights Act. the repeal of the Human Rights Act.

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the repeal of the Human Rights Act. We expect to be consulted by the

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We expect to be consulted by the We expect to be consulted by the

:23:21.:23:23.

government on any proposed changes. government on any proposed changes.

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government on any proposed changes. No such proposal has been

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No such proposal has been No such proposal has been

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communicated to us. It would be communicated to us. It would be

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communicated to us. It would be open to the Scottish government to

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open to the Scottish government to introduce legislation that protects

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introduce legislation that protects introduce legislation that protects

:23:33.:23:33.

the fundamental rights of the the fundamental rights of the

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the fundamental rights of the people in Scotland. I think the

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people in Scotland. I think the people in Scotland. I think the

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First Minister for that answer. First Minister for that answer.

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First Minister for that answer. Does he agree to the proposal

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Does he agree to the proposal Does he agree to the proposal

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designed to pander to a right-wing designed to pander to a right-wing

:23:46.:23:47.

Euro-sceptic minority would sees Euro-sceptic minority would sees

:23:47.:23:49.

Euro-sceptic minority would sees Scotland isolated in Europe and

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Scotland isolated in Europe and Scotland isolated in Europe and

:23:50.:23:51.

instead of Appeal and the Human instead of Appeal and the Human

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instead of Appeal and the Human instead of Appeal and the Human

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Rights Act, we need to extend the Rights Act, we need to extend the

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Rights Act, we need to extend the scope and reach of fundamental

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scope and reach of fundamental scope and reach of fundamental

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scope and reach of fundamental human rights here in Scotland.

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human rights here in Scotland. human rights here in Scotland.

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human rights here in Scotland. agree. But think it is the UK

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agree. But think it is the UK agree. But think it is the UK

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government result of step with government result of step with

:24:03.:24:04.

civilised people across the civilised people across the

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civilised people across the continent. I think their attitude

:24:05.:24:07.

continent. I think their attitude continent. I think their attitude

:24:07.:24:08.

is parochial and aggressive in is parochial and aggressive in

:24:08.:24:10.

is parochial and aggressive in terms of attitudes to human rights.

:24:10.:24:11.

terms of attitudes to human rights. terms of attitudes to human rights.

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I think the European Convention I think the European Convention

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I think the European Convention fulfils a valuable role in current

:24:14.:24:16.

fulfils a valuable role in current fulfils a valuable role in current

:24:16.:24:17.

Scottish Society. I think an Scottish Society. I think an

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Scottish Society. I think an independent Scotland with a written

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independent Scotland with a written independent Scotland with a written

:24:19.:24:19.

constitution would allow us to constitution would allow us to

:24:19.:24:20.

constitution would allow us to research the positive rights that

:24:20.:24:23.

research the positive rights that research the positive rights that

:24:23.:24:24.

people in a modern democracy have people in a modern democracy have

:24:24.:24:28.

people in a modern democracy have people in a modern democracy have

:24:28.:24:29.

the right to expect. Does the First the right to expect. Does the First

:24:29.:24:30.

the right to expect. Does the First Minister agree that were the

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Minister agree that were the Minister agree that were the

:24:31.:24:32.

government to repeal the Human government to repeal the Human

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government to repeal the Human Rights Act and withdraw from the

:24:33.:24:34.

Rights Act and withdraw from the Rights Act and withdraw from the

:24:34.:24:35.

jurisdiction of the humour of -- jurisdiction of the humour of --

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jurisdiction of the humour of -- European Court of Human Rights, it

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European Court of Human Rights, it European Court of Human Rights, it

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would set a unique precedent would set a unique precedent

:24:40.:24:41.

would set a unique precedent separating the United Kingdom from

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separating the United Kingdom from separating the United Kingdom from

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the other participants in the court the other participants in the court

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the other participants in the court the other participants in the court

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the other participants in the court and put in the UK on the same level

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and put in the UK on the same level and put in the UK on the same level

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as bowler Bruce? I certainly think as bowler Bruce? I certainly think

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as bowler Bruce? I certainly think as bowler Bruce? I certainly think

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that the trend... When you get to that the trend... When you get to

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that the trend... When you get to that the trend... When you get to

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the stage that you are so opposed the stage that you are so opposed

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the stage that you are so opposed the stage that you are so opposed

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to a joint European action that to to a joint European action that to

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to a joint European action that to question the validity of European

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question the validity of European question the validity of European

:25:06.:25:08.

arrest warrants, which is what has arrest warrants, which is what has

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arrest warrants, which is what has been going on at Westminster,

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been going on at Westminster, been going on at Westminster,

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been going on at Westminster, arrest warrant that get some of the

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arrest warrant that get some of the arrest warrant that get some of the

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most dangerous and fish as people most dangerous and fish as people

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most dangerous and fish as people effectively repatriated so they can

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effectively repatriated so they can effectively repatriated so they can

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face justice, to put the politics face justice, to put the politics

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face justice, to put the politics of this before arresting murderers

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of this before arresting murderers of this before arresting murderers

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of this before arresting murderers and a rapists and other people who

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and a rapists and other people who and a rapists and other people who

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should be brought back to face should be brought back to face

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should be brought back to face justice shows the extent that the

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justice shows the extent that the justice shows the extent that the

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Tory party has lost touch with Tory party has lost touch with

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Tory party has lost touch with civilised values and with reality

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civilised values and with reality civilised values and with reality

:25:40.:25:41.

Borstal -- reality. Will the Borstal -- reality. Will the

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Scottish government clarify the Scottish government clarify the

:25:42.:25:46.

current relationship between the current relationship between the

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current relationship between the Scottish Police Authority and the

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Scottish Police Authority and the Scottish Police Authority and the

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Scottish Police Authority and the government? It is set out in the

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government? It is set out in the government? It is set out in the

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2012 act. I think the First 2012 act. I think the First

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2012 act. I think the First Minister for that brief answer it.

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Minister for that brief answer it. Minister for that brief answer it.

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In four separate interviews, the In four separate interviews, the

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In four separate interviews, the chief constable has indicated he

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chief constable has indicated he chief constable has indicated he

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chief constable has indicated he will be unable to maintain the 1000

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will be unable to maintain the 1000 additional police officers during

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additional police officers during additional police officers during

:26:11.:26:11.

the forthcoming spending period due the forthcoming spending period due

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the forthcoming spending period due to budget pressures. In addition,

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to budget pressures. In addition, to budget pressures. In addition,

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police staff from Unison last night police staff from Unison last night

:26:17.:26:19.

shed their substantial experience shed their substantial experience

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shed their substantial experience of job losses and insecurity with

:26:21.:26:23.

of job losses and insecurity with of job losses and insecurity with

:26:23.:26:25.

members of this Parliament. Given members of this Parliament. Given

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members of this Parliament. Given the evident friction between the

:26:28.:26:29.

the evident friction between the two Constable and government

:26:29.:26:31.

two Constable and government officials exposed in correspondence

:26:31.:26:33.

officials exposed in correspondence officials exposed in correspondence

:26:33.:26:34.

belatedly released to the justice belatedly released to the justice

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belatedly released to the justice committee this week, is the First

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committee this week, is the First committee this week, is the First

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Minister committed to ensure the Minister committed to ensure the

:26:38.:26:39.

chief constable is appropriately chief constable is appropriately

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chief constable is appropriately chief constable is appropriately

:26:41.:26:43.

empowered in terms of a chart and empowered in terms of a chart and

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finance, subject to corporate finance, subject to corporate

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finance, subject to corporate responsibility, to deliver and deal

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responsibility, to deliver and deal responsibility, to deliver and deal

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with concerns expressed by police with concerns expressed by police

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with concerns expressed by police with concerns expressed by police

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staff. A I do believe that. Let me staff. A I do believe that. Let me

:26:55.:26:55.

staff. A I do believe that. Let me quote directly from the Chief

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quote directly from the Chief quote directly from the Chief

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Constable. I believe Scotland has a Constable. I believe Scotland has a

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Constable. I believe Scotland has a balanced police staff. I must

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balanced police staff. I must balanced police staff. I must

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balanced police staff. I must repeat we do not have a strategy

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repeat we do not have a strategy repeat we do not have a strategy

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and planned to back Philby's moles and planned to back Philby's moles

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and planned to back Philby's moles and planned to back Philby's moles

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of police officers. I want as many of police officers. I want as many

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of police officers. I want as many of police officers. I want as many

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staff as possible on the street in staff as possible on the street in

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staff as possible on the street in an operational board. We're seeing

:27:17.:27:20.

an operational board. We're seeing an operational board. We're seeing

:27:20.:27:21.

police staff on the streets of police staff on the streets of

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police staff on the streets of Scotland in record numbers. I saw

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Scotland in record numbers. I saw Scotland in record numbers. I saw

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Scotland in record numbers. I saw his quotes in the papers on Sunday

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his quotes in the papers on Sunday his quotes in the papers on Sunday

:27:35.:27:37.

on the historic, or belated, on the historic, or belated,

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documents. These matters were documents. These matters were

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documents. These matters were settled in January and February it

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settled in January and February it settled in January and February it

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settled in January and February it in terms of the detail. Instead of

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in terms of the detail. Instead of in terms of the detail. Instead of

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breaking over the belated documents, breaking over the belated documents,

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breaking over the belated documents, breaking over the belated documents,

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as he puts it, shouldn't he put his as he puts it, shouldn't he put his

:27:49.:27:50.

experience behind the police experience behind the police

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experience behind the police service in Scotland working to

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service in Scotland working to service in Scotland working to

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create a police service in Scotland create a police service in Scotland

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create a police service in Scotland create a police service in Scotland

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create a police service in Scotland of which all of us can be proud.

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of which all of us can be proud. of which all of us can be proud.

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our meeting last night at Unison our meeting last night at Unison

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our meeting last night at Unison with many civilian staff present,

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with many civilian staff present, with many civilian staff present,

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there were many who were very there were many who were very

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there were many who were very concerned about their future, not

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concerned about their future, not concerned about their future, not

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concerned about their future, not just next week, but in the coming

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just next week, but in the coming just next week, but in the coming

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years. Does he share my concerns years. Does he share my concerns

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years. Does he share my concerns years. Does he share my concerns

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that with the combined force of the that with the combined force of the

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that with the combined force of the civil police force, these matters

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civil police force, these matters civil police force, these matters

:28:23.:28:25.

must be addressed urgently. Yes, I must be addressed urgently. Yes, I

:28:25.:28:26.

must be addressed urgently. Yes, I must be addressed urgently. Yes, I

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do agree, which is exactly why I do agree, which is exactly why I

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do agree, which is exactly why I do agree, which is exactly why I

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read out the quote of the chief read out the quote of the chief

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read out the quote of the chief constable on Tuesday in terms of

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constable on Tuesday in terms of constable on Tuesday in terms of

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constable on Tuesday in terms of the balance that he sees in terms

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the balance that he sees in terms the balance that he sees in terms

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the balance that he sees in terms of the forces in Scotland. It has

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of the forces in Scotland. It has of the forces in Scotland. It has

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been argued that the increase in been argued that the increase in

:28:40.:28:41.

been argued that the increase in police numbers in Scotland is

:28:41.:28:42.

police numbers in Scotland is police numbers in Scotland is

:28:42.:28:47.

somehow at the expense of the somehow at the expense of the

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somehow at the expense of the somehow at the expense of the

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civilian staff. I had a look at the civilian staff. I had a look at the

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civilian staff. I had a look at the figures from England and Wales.

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figures from England and Wales. figures from England and Wales.

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Order, order. I seem to remember Order, order. I seem to remember

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Order, order. I seem to remember the Labour Party had some

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the Labour Party had some the Labour Party had some

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responsibility in Wales at the responsibility in Wales at the

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responsibility in Wales at the responsibility in Wales at the

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present moment. I had a look at present moment. I had a look at

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present moment. I had a look at these figures. I think it is

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these figures. I think it is these figures. I think it is

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instructive to see what the Labour instructive to see what the Labour

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instructive to see what the Labour Party actually does so when they

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Party actually does so when they Party actually does so when they

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Party actually does so when they are in office as opposed to what

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are in office as opposed to what are in office as opposed to what

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are in office as opposed to what they say they will do when they are

:29:15.:29:17.

they say they will do when they are they say they will do when they are

:29:17.:29:17.

in opposition. What is instructive in opposition. What is instructive

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in opposition. What is instructive in opposition. What is instructive

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is that not only are police numbers is that not only are police numbers

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in England falling dramatically, in England falling dramatically,

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in England falling dramatically, the police support staff are

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the police support staff are the police support staff are

:29:25.:29:27.

falling faster than they have falling faster than they have

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falling faster than they have fallen in Scotland. So I believe

:29:28.:29:29.

fallen in Scotland. So I believe fallen in Scotland. So I believe

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the single police service in the single police service in

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the single police service in the single police service in

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Scotland will allow us to make the Scotland will allow us to make the

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efficiencies that are necessary. efficiencies that are necessary.

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efficiencies that are necessary. efficiencies that are necessary.

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That is why the are having a single That is why the are having a single

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That is why the are having a single police service to deliver the

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police service to deliver the police service to deliver the

:29:39.:29:40.

correct balance of police staff and correct balance of police staff and

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correct balance of police staff and police officers to bring about that

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police officers to bring about that police officers to bring about that

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police officers to bring about that police service of which we can all

:29:43.:29:46.

police service of which we can all police service of which we can all

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be proud. These matters are not be proud. These matters are not

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be proud. These matters are not settled. The best be a means

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settled. The best be a means settled. The best be a means

:29:51.:29:52.

tomorrow. It returns to the core tomorrow. It returns to the core

:29:52.:29:54.

tomorrow. It returns to the core question of where power lies. But

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question of where power lies. But question of where power lies. But

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question of where power lies. But the public is to be kept in the

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the public is to be kept in the the public is to be kept in the

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the public is to be kept in the the public is to be kept in the

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dark as the item is to be taken in dark as the item is to be taken in

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dark as the item is to be taken in PUP -- private. Was the First

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PUP -- private. Was the First PUP -- private. Was the First

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Minister agreed that it is clearly Minister agreed that it is clearly

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Minister agreed that it is clearly in the public interest but the

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in the public interest but the in the public interest but the

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people of Scotland should be able people of Scotland should be able

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to follow these decisions? to follow these decisions?

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to follow these decisions? Agreement on the general principles

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Agreement on the general principles Agreement on the general principles

:30:14.:30:16.

Agreement on the general principles was beached at the board on 18th

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was beached at the board on 18th January. Detailed agreement was

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January. Detailed agreement was January. Detailed agreement was

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reached last month and the bodies reached last month and the bodies

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reached last month and the bodies reached last month and the bodies

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are working hard to bring about the are working hard to bring about the

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are working hard to bring about the effect of Lord of the police

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effect of Lord of the police effect of Lord of the police

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service in Scotland. Huge progress service in Scotland. Huge progress

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service in Scotland. Huge progress service in Scotland. Huge progress

:30:28.:30:30.

has been made to meet that event of has been made to meet that event of

:30:30.:30:32.

has been made to meet that event of the new police service of Scotland.

:30:32.:30:33.

the new police service of Scotland. the new police service of Scotland.

:30:33.:30:36.

Would it not be reasonable, given Would it not be reasonable, given

:30:36.:30:37.

Would it not be reasonable, given that the fears that were expressed

:30:37.:30:38.

that the fears that were expressed that the fears that were expressed

:30:38.:30:40.

by the Liberal Democrats in advance by the Liberal Democrats in advance

:30:40.:30:42.

by the Liberal Democrats in advance of that January meeting, where they

:30:42.:30:43.

of that January meeting, where they of that January meeting, where they

:30:43.:30:44.

said it would be an absolute said it would be an absolute

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said it would be an absolute disaster, which did not come to

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disaster, which did not come to disaster, which did not come to

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pass, strangely enough the Liberal pass, strangely enough the Liberal

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pass, strangely enough the Liberal Democrats did not return to the

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Democrats did not return to the Democrats did not return to the

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subject a week after. Wouldn't it subject a week after. Wouldn't it

:30:52.:30:54.

subject a week after. Wouldn't it be nice to see the opposition

:30:54.:30:56.

be nice to see the opposition be nice to see the opposition

:30:56.:30:57.

parties get behind the police parties get behind the police

:30:57.:30:57.

parties get behind the police service in their attempts to bring

:30:57.:30:58.

service in their attempts to bring service in their attempts to bring

:30:58.:30:59.

service in their attempts to bring a huge success from the new police

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a huge success from the new police a huge success from the new police

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service of Scotland? Two of the service of Scotland? Two of the

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service of Scotland? Two of the First Minister of what plans the

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First Minister of what plans the First Minister of what plans the

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Scottish government has to be Scottish government has to be

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Scottish government has to be formed the public school system.

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formed the public school system. Scottish schools are consistently

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Scottish schools are consistently excellent. There is substantial

:31:15.:31:16.

excellent. There is substantial excellent. There is substantial

:31:16.:31:17.

evidence they are getting better up. evidence they are getting better up.

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evidence they are getting better up. evidence they are getting better up.

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We can see this from last year's We can see this from last year's

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We can see this from last year's record exam passes. We should all

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record exam passes. We should all record exam passes. We should all

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take great satisfaction. I believe take great satisfaction. I believe

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take great satisfaction. I believe take great satisfaction. I believe

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we have the right elements in place we have the right elements in place

:31:28.:31:29.

we have the right elements in place to secure that excellent, world-

:31:29.:31:30.

to secure that excellent, world- to secure that excellent, world-

:31:30.:31:32.

class system. We are making good class system. We are making good

:31:32.:31:33.

class system. We are making good progress with the current reform

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progress with the current reform progress with the current reform

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plan. I want to complement the plan. I want to complement the

:31:37.:31:39.

inspiring and dedicated teachers inspiring and dedicated teachers

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inspiring and dedicated teachers while rising to the challenge of

:31:41.:31:44.

while rising to the challenge of while rising to the challenge of

:31:44.:31:45.

delivering a modern education. delivering a modern education.

:31:45.:31:47.

delivering a modern education. delivering a modern education.

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I thank the First Minister for his I thank the First Minister for his

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I thank the First Minister for his response. The glowing picture he

:31:48.:31:50.

response. The glowing picture he response. The glowing picture he

:31:50.:31:51.

paints is contradicted by the paints is contradicted by the

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paints is contradicted by the publication this week by the

:31:53.:31:54.

publication this week by the publication this week by the

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Commission on school reform, one Commission on school reform, one

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Commission on school reform, one which one of his own party

:31:57.:32:00.

which one of his own party which one of his own party

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councillors served. How would the councillors served. How would the

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Scottish government take forward Scottish government take forward

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Scottish government take forward the key recommendation of this

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the key recommendation of this report about greater school

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report about greater school autonomy and greater provision

:32:06.:32:08.

autonomy and greater provision autonomy and greater provision

:32:08.:32:09.

required in order to improve required in order to improve

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standards. Especially helping those standards. Especially helping those

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standards. Especially helping those being bailed by the current system.

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being bailed by the current system. being bailed by the current system.

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-- being failed. There are some -- being failed. There are some

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interesting proposals in the interesting proposals in the

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interesting proposals in the document. They will be treated very

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document. They will be treated very document. They will be treated very

:32:23.:32:24.

seriously. But turn sure he will seriously. But turn sure he will

:32:24.:32:26.

seriously. But turn sure he will seriously. But turn sure he will

:32:26.:32:27.

accept that the figures we have and accept that the figures we have and

:32:27.:32:28.

the international comparisons show the international comparisons show

:32:28.:32:29.

the international comparisons show that the relative decline which

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that the relative decline which Scottish education was suffering

:32:32.:32:34.

Scottish education was suffering Scottish education was suffering

:32:34.:32:35.

Scottish education was suffering from was reversed into 1009 when a

:32:35.:32:37.

from was reversed into 1009 when a from was reversed into 1009 when a

:32:37.:32:40.

position of stability was achieved. position of stability was achieved.

:32:40.:32:41.

position of stability was achieved. position of stability was achieved.

:32:41.:32:43.

I don't think we should get into I don't think we should get into

:32:43.:32:44.

the argument of misrepresenting the argument of misrepresenting

:32:44.:32:47.

the argument of misrepresenting what the commission said. Let me

:32:47.:32:48.

what the commission said. Let me what the commission said. Let me

:32:48.:32:49.

what the commission said. Let me quote a directly from the chair of

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quote a directly from the chair of quote a directly from the chair of

:32:53.:32:54.

the commission. It is very the commission. It is very

:32:54.:32:56.

the commission. It is very the commission. It is very

:32:56.:32:57.

important, I think, to see this in important, I think, to see this in

:32:57.:32:58.

important, I think, to see this in perspective. This is not a crisis.

:32:58.:33:00.

perspective. This is not a crisis. perspective. This is not a crisis.

:33:00.:33:02.

The Scottish education system is The Scottish education system is

:33:02.:33:03.

The Scottish education system is not failing. On the contrary, it

:33:03.:33:05.

not failing. On the contrary, it has remarkably consistent high

:33:05.:33:06.

has remarkably consistent high has remarkably consistent high

:33:06.:33:08.

standards across the whole range of standards across the whole range of

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standards across the whole range of standards across the whole range of

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its schools. If that is what he its schools. If that is what he

:33:12.:33:13.

its schools. If that is what he its schools. If that is what he

:33:13.:33:16.

says, can we not try to get matters says, can we not try to get matters

:33:16.:33:16.

says, can we not try to get matters into perspective? To see the

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into perspective? To see the into perspective? To see the

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positive suggestions that are made positive suggestions that are made

:33:19.:33:21.

positive suggestions that are made positive suggestions that are made

:33:21.:33:21.

in the report and take them forward in the report and take them forward

:33:21.:33:26.

in the report and take them forward for the good of Scottish education.

:33:26.:33:27.

for the good of Scottish education. for the good of Scottish education.

:33:27.:33:29.

The commission spoke about the The commission spoke about the

:33:29.:33:30.

devastating consequences of social devastating consequences of social

:33:30.:33:32.

devastating consequences of social and economic disadvantage. Will the

:33:32.:33:34.

and economic disadvantage. Will the First Minister allocate additional

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First Minister allocate additional First Minister allocate additional

:33:36.:33:37.

resources to allow schools in those resources to allow schools in those

:33:37.:33:38.

resources to allow schools in those areas to tackle that disadvantage

:33:38.:33:43.

areas to tackle that disadvantage areas to tackle that disadvantage

:33:43.:33:44.

head on. We look at positive head on. We look at positive

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head on. We look at positive proposals to attack poverty and

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proposals to attack poverty and proposals to attack poverty and

:33:48.:33:49.

disadvantage in Scottish society as disadvantage in Scottish society as

:33:49.:33:51.

disadvantage in Scottish society as disadvantage in Scottish society as

:33:51.:33:53.

the member well knows it makes up - the member well knows it makes up -

:33:53.:34:03.
:34:03.:34:05.

- examining this Government's - examining this Government's

:34:06.:34:07.

- examining this Government's - examining this Government's

:34:07.:34:08.

record. I have to say to the member, record. I have to say to the member,

:34:08.:34:10.

record. I have to say to the member, the way to secure that universal

:34:10.:34:12.

the way to secure that universal the way to secure that universal

:34:12.:34:13.

Allodi and give every charge in Allodi and give every charge in

:34:13.:34:14.

Allodi and give every charge in Allodi and give every charge in

:34:14.:34:14.

Scotland a chance is not to impose Scotland a chance is not to impose

:34:14.:34:15.

Scotland a chance is not to impose Scotland a chance is not to impose

:34:15.:34:16.

tuition fees when they try to get tuition fees when they try to get

:34:16.:34:22.

tuition fees when they try to get into higher education boss of their

:34:22.:34:23.

into higher education boss of their into higher education boss of their

:34:23.:34:24.

into higher education boss of their we have it, the close of First

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we have it, the close of First Minister's questions. Extremely

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Minister's questions. Extremely Minister's questions. Extremely

:34:29.:34:31.

robust exchanges of on future robust exchanges of on future

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robust exchanges of on future spending plans. All of the

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spending plans. All of the spending plans. All of the

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opposition leaders are lining up to opposition leaders are lining up to

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opposition leaders are lining up to reduce the First Minister of his

:34:38.:34:39.

reduce the First Minister of his reduce the First Minister of his

:34:39.:34:40.

saying one thing in public and saying one thing in public and

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