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Politics is dominated at the moment by the European Union referendum and

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the idea that the offer to extend registration to vote until midnight

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tonight, but domestic politics remains important as well and I

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guess it will be domestic politics to the fore in questions to the

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First Minister. This is the second in a new, longer format First

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Minister's Questions, asked for by the presiding officer, Ken

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Macintosh. Domestic questions are expected to dominate. The chamber is

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looking at a general questions. The presiding officer is moving on to

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Prime Minister's Questions. Engagement to take forward the

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programme for Scotland. We note the problem is that the NHS is facing.

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Anti-ageing population, a Scottish Government that has failed to keep

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up with the need to recruit and retain the staff are required. We

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discovered this week that ?157 million of the NHS budget is being

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spent on bringing in agency nurses because of staff shortages. We note

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that is a problem with nurse recruitment. Can the First Minister

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tell me how many vacant consultant positions have been lying unfilled

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for more than six months? In terms of NHS vacancies, the position now

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in terms of NHS vacancies is, in some cases, better than when we took

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office, in some cases almost the same. What people across Scotland

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will be interested in is the fact that today we have record high

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staffing in the NHS. Today, compared to win the edge the SNP took office,

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there are almost 11,400 additional staff working in our NHS. Qualified

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nurses and midwives are up by nearly 6%, doctors are up by over 26% and

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medical and dental consultants are now at a record high, up by 42.9%.

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That is the reality of the workforce in our NHS. All of these doctors and

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nurses are working hard to make sure that patients are seen quickly and

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they get world-class treatment when they do so and offers them an

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enormous debt of gratitude for that. The First Minister keen to give out

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every single number except the one I asked for. The answer is that there

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are 162 unfilled consultant posts. That is up 14% in three months and

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up by more than 300% since 2011. The fact is this, Doctor Nicky Thompson

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of the Scottish consultants committee says, the Scottish

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Government must recognise that they have major recruitment and retention

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problems and take action. Does the First Minister recognise that, in

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the wake Nicky Thomson wanted to and she prioritised that action without

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delay? We are prioritising action to recruit and retain staff in our NHS.

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Ruth Davidson speaks specifically about the consultant vacancy rate.

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The consultant vacancy rate in our NHS today is lower than it was when

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this government took office. It was 7% when we took office, it is now

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6.5%. That is a percentage of the total number of consultants working

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in our NHS that is much higher than it was when we took office. However

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you cut it, however you look at the statistics, there are more people,

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including more doctors and nurses, working in the NHS today than it was

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the case when the SNP took office. That is a record to be proud of, but

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I note that we must continue to improve our NHS so it continues to

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provide good quality care for people across Scotland. That is why we set

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out at the election, in a manifesto we were a latching on, plans to

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invest more than any other party proposed, but the nature of the

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reform our NHS to ensure it continues to do the fantastic job it

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already does. At the facts on the ground. I have feared the latest

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report into the ongoing problems at Saint John 's paediatric unit in

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Livingston. They'd be quite what it says. There is a continuing heavy

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reliance on a small number of staff doing additional night and weekend

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shifts and prone to sure this collapse because of sickness or

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other unplanned absence. It adds that only four of the nine eight

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hour slots are filled on a substantive basis. It continues, the

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middle grade medical rota remains unstable treaty vacancies and

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advanced nurse practitioner 's paediatric nurse practitioners are

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required to fill the gaps. In other words, backfilling for doctors

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because they cannot get the staff. This might be an exceptional case

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but it is utterly unacceptable. Doctors say we need action and isn't

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this, right here, the consequence of inaction from this government? In

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terms of paediatrics at St John's. Yes, there are challenges. That

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doesn't come as news to anyone. It is those challenges that prompted

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the expert report on the future of the paediatric unit and that report

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is currently being considered by NHS Lothian and I know they will be

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supported by the Scottish Government and will take forward an actions

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needed. I should point out the fact that under the SNP, the situation at

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St John's in general terms is a lot more positive and the hospital is in

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a stronger position than it was when this government took office because

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we provided funding for an MRI scanner, funding for a short stay

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collective surgery unit, we've redesigned A, we refurbished the

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Labour ward. There has been a new lab in medicine training school

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opened, a new regional eating disorders unit opened. These are a

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range of improvements made and be are to sure we do the same in

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paediatrics as well. I will never stand here, I am a former Health

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Secretary, I will never stand here and say there are no challenges to

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be overcome in our national health service. Scotland is not unique in

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that sense, but we have more staff, we are investing record sums, that

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is why there are waiting times that, in many cases, are not just lower

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than when we took office, they are considerably lower than they are in

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other parts of the UK. When you look at the situation in England where

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the Tories are in government, I know they don't like this, but compare

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the fact that junior doctors have been on strike in England and not in

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Scotland. Look at A is one example. Performance in our record

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units is 10% better in Scotland than it is under the Tories in England.

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We will keep working to improve our national health service, but we will

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take no lectures from the Tories on how to do it. I note the First

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Minister is off to London for a debate tonight but we are talking

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about the Scottish NHS that her government has been in charge of. We

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are right to point out that The Royal College is publishing a

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report. What she didn't mention is that the SNP tried to put it back

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until after the election. She didn't mention that this was against the

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wishes of health bosses in the area he feared that a delay in

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publication would only add to uncertainty over the future of the

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word. We need a serious and honest debate about a sustainable NHS in

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Scotland. What we don't need is an SNP spin operation that buries bad

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news because it is inconvenient. We have gaps in nursing, gaps in

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consultants, gaps in GPs. After nine years, isn't it time the SNP

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government sorted it out? I note the Conservatives have replaced Labour

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in this chamber as the official opposition but I did not really

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appreciate that that meant Ruth Davidson would stand up here and use

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recycled scare stories about St John's. I thought she might be

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aspiring to better than that, but clearly not. The fact of the matter

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is decisions around the expert report, the timing of that and

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taking forward the recommendations of that would be matters for NHS

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Lothian and we will support them in doing that. Can I say, yes we are

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talking about the Scottish NHS and I am talking about the improvements in

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the Scottish NHS under this government. While I was doing was

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comparing that to some of the respects in which the NHS where the

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Tories are in charge has gone backwards instead of forwards. We

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have had the sight of junior doctors out on strike because of the

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intransigence of a Tory government. We will take action to improve our

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health service. Yes, this government has been in office for nine years

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and let me just remind people in this chamber what we have seen over

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these nine years. Record high staffing, starting up by more than

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11,000, nurse numbers up, doctors up, consultants up, paramedic

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numbers. GPs are up. Senior managers, the number of them are

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down because we have met our target to produce them. The NHS is in good

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hands and we will keep it moving in the right direction. When will the

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First Minister next meet carers Scotland. I hope I will have the

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opportunity to meet them soon. The Minister for health will meet them

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next week and as everyone in the chamber will be aware, this week is

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carers week, therefore I want to take this opportunity on behalf of

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others to thank carers and young carers for everything they do on our

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behalf. Earlier this week, the First Minister was named as the 50th most

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powerful woman in the world. Today, a report by UCAS confirmed that the

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number of students from her background is going to university

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has dropped. When will the First Minister use some of her immense

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power to improve the life chances of Scottish young people? She clearly

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pays more attention to these things than I do, but... Never mind, I am

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sure she will get there eventually. On the important matter that she

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rightly raises this morning, I, as people would expect, have studied

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these figures in detail. We are ready to prioritise fair access to

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university, but it is important and appropriate to look at the figures

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in the round. They come with a health warning. They do not include

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the number of students in Scotland who enter higher education through

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college. They'd look at what they do show. Looking at 18-year-olds

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exclusively, the numbers from our most deprived areas dropped slightly

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from 2014 to 2015, but nevertheless are up considerably compared to

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2010. The more fundamental point is this one, not everyone who goes to

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university goes at it in. When you look at these figures and look at

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the figures for people of all ages, the numbers from deprived areas is

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applying to an thing accepted to university is up in 2015 compared to

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2014. In both cases by about 10%. Yes, we have got work to do, I have

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been clear about that. That is quite in lamenting the report is

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important, but it is wrong to say the progress isn't being made. What

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I heard there was three different excuses about why the numbers are

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wrong, rather than an explanation about why the government haven't

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done enough. What these figures show, very clearly show, is that

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there has been a drop in the number of people from your background is

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applying to university. There has been an even bigger job in the

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number of poorer people being accepted when they do apply. This is

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what happens when you cut grants and bursaries by a third. This is a

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government that recently tried to scrap a scheme that secured

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university places for the poorest students. Students are worried that

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the First Minister will try that again. She says she wanted 20% of

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university students to come from the poorest backgrounds by 2013. Given

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that ambition, can she guarantee today that the government will fully

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fund this scheme for the lifetime of this Parliament? I have made very

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clear that we are determined to increase access and to do what is

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required to do that. Can I say, and I hope we can find some agreement

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here, I didn't say the figures were wrong. On the contrary, they said

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they were right. I simply pointed out what the figures actually say.

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What she says they say is right for 18-year-olds entering university in

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this year. But 18-year-olds from the most deprived amenities entering

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university has gone up from 2010 to 2015 and in terms of people of all

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ages going to university, whether it is applying to university or

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entering university, the numbers from our most deprived areas have

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gone up in 2015. Both of them by 10%. I am not saying the figures are

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wrong, I am simply setting out what the figures actually say. I think

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that is the appropriate thing to do. I have made clear that while we are

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making progress, I do not think that progress is going far enough or

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going fast enough. That is what I commissioned the widening access

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report. That is why I have committed to intimidate its recommendations

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and will appoint a commission. If the Commissioner tells us that

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universities are not doing enough, we will use the statutory powers we

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legislated for that Labour voted against the nature of that

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universities do more. We are determined to do this, we are

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committed to doing this and I would hope Labour would get behind us.

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Earlier this week, when the First Minister missed her health targets,

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she moved the goalposts. Today she is trying to do it again when it

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comes to the Ucas figures. This is a reference to a consultation on

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potential changes on the way health targets are collected. Let's look at

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the overall picture. Poorer people are less likely to apply to the

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university under this government and are less likely to be accepted and

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are more likely to drop out because of the cuts you have made two

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bursaries and grants. Labour's manifesto pledged to reverse the

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cuts to bursaries. Surely the First Minister will pledge to do just

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that. When we last made changes to the bursary threshold, it was the

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NUS president who I accept would like others to do more and was a

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member of the widening access commission described it as great

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news for Scottish students. One of the other things in our manifesto

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was a review of student support which we will take forward in the

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course of this Parliament. I say again to Kezia Dugdale, I know she

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is genuinely interested in this, the statistics that I have been reading

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out. She is wrong to say what she has said. I haven't changed a single

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goal post. I am saying what the figures actually show. She is right

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in saying that in terms of 18-year-olds, there has been a

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slight decline but since 2010 it is up. She doesn't seem to grasp the

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point that looking at people of all ages, applications or entry to

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universities, the numbers from our most deprived communities are up. Up

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10% for applications and entries. That is simply a fact than it is in

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these figures. Instead of arguing over the fact because you can't

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argue, they are what they are, let's get behind the action that this

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government has decided to take and I look forward to Labour having the

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gumption to get behind us and make sure we can achieve what we have set

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out to achieve. APPLAUSE STUDIO: The Scottish Greenlee leader

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Patrick Harvie. Recent days have seen revelations about the extent of

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deeply unethical business practices in this country from exploitative

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zero hours contracts, payments below the minimum wage, brutal

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disciplinary procedures and the harassment of workers. Major players

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on the high Street have been playing fast and loose with their employees

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and throwing them on the scrapheap at a whim when lining their own

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pockets. The Scottish Government should be able to make more

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decisions about employment but does she agree that we need to Bush at

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the edge of our powers to ensure that unethical business practices

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are pushed out of our economy. Yes I do. I heard evidence from Mike

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Ashley on practices at sports direct and it was utterly shameful and

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every right thinking person should condemn that unequivocally. As a

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government, as Patrick Harvie knows, have established the business pledge

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which is intended to promote good business practices. We are

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absolutely clear about zero tolerance for unethical business

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practices, of the kind we heard this week or zero hours contracts,

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companies not paying the minimum wage, we want companies to go beyond

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the minimum wage and paid the living wage. We have had discussions before

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about whether there should be more compulsion around the business

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pledge and it is something we will continue to consider. I'm not able

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to go into this in great detail but I will be in London tonight taking

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part in the debate on the EU referendum and I don't want to move

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to the position where we have a deregulated labour market with

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people like Boris Johnson able to rip of the workers' rights that the

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EU guarantees in this country. STUDIO: Wray another reference to

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the studio debate tonight with Forest option. Promoting the

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firework agenda and the business pledge. She is willing to consider

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compulsion. Isn't it abundantly clear given the scale of the abuses

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taking place on a daily basis that we need to do more than encourage

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the willing, we have to make it abundantly clear to the unwilling

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that these deplorable practices will not be accepted. Will the First

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Minister insure that the firework agenda can give real consequences to

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those employers who exploit their workers, use tax havens or have poor

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environmental performance will no longer have access to government

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funded taxpayer support, grants, loans and business support services

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from the public sector. I'm determined and committed to making

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sure that the firework agenda has the ability to do what we wanted to

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do. I'm broadly in agreement with what he is saying but some of what

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we heard from Sports cap! Direct was illegal as well as unethical. That

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is something that we should make sure is tackled through the law of

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the land. When companies break the law in treating their staff they

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should be held to account not just in how we distribute government

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money but through the law of the land and I hope all others in this

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chamber would agree with that. STUDIO: A reference to the owners of

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sports direct. To ask what is the government's reaction to the

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Scottish Cancer patient experience survey results. We were very pleased

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with the results but we know there is more to be done which is why we

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have announced a cancer strategy supported by ?100 million over the

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life of this Parliament. It makes clear the importance of listening to

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what people with cancer are saying and acting on what they say is. Does

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the First Minister agree with is that whilst our Scottish NHS is

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achieving world-class outcomes, we can't afford to be complacent and

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can she outline how the strategy will deliver the best Cancer care

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for the people of Scotland in future? Cancer services have come an

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awful long way in the last decade. Mortality rates are down 11% over

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this period but the ?100 million cancer strategy will be in demented

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with people with cancer, clinicians and other parties and it will be

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invested to make sure we are doing more to support invention of cancer,

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doing more to support early diagnosis of cancer and through

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taking advantage of advances in radiotherapy, for example, making

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sure that people have access to the best possible treatment. But also

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the emotional and financial needs of people with cancer and the needs of

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their family, those are taken into account with a sticky as well. That

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is what I am determined we do so we continue to provide world class

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cancer treatment for people. STUDIO: A Labour MSP. Despite asking for it,

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49% of patients are not receiving ad vice on benefits available. 66% of

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patients are not receiving a cure plan. One in five patients saying

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that they didn't get an appointment soon enough after the suspicion

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arose. Given these statistics, given the ongoing challenge of cancer

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being the biggest killer in Scotland, can the First Minister

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confirmed that the current expectations will not be included in

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her target review? The Health Secretary set out the purpose of the

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review and how that will be taken forward. It is a review backed by

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clinicians and others. There are targets in the NHS that are vitally

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important to people to give them the assurance and certainty of when they

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will be treated and there is no intention to undermine that. He's

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right to focus on the aspects of the survey that were positive and those

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that indicated there was more work to do. Many of these areas are

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around not just the clinical aspects of cancer care but the emotional

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aspects and these are some of the areas that we have most work to do.

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I was Health Secretary launching the first Macmillan financial advice

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service. These do fantastic work but findings say we have more to do so

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we will focus on all of this. Early diagnosis, speedy access to

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treatment and also the way that patients in the survey say what they

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want and need. STUDIO: Murdo Fraser, Scottish Conservative MSP. What

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support will the government give the Scottish oil and gas industry? The

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recent report highlights the challenges. We visited Aberdeen last

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week and reiterated our commitment to securing a long-term future for

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the sector. For example through the training fund, the energy jobs task

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force. The UK Government retains control of the key taxation levers

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and a clear conclusion of the report is that more action must be taken on

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that front with more than half of all companies wanting to see wide

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fiscal stimulus for the industry. We will continue to support exploration

:26:44.:26:53.

and guarantee infrastructure. There is a briefing in committee room to

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after. One thing that the report tells us is that a majority of large

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companies see the opportunity to diversify into shale gas but sadly

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most of these job opportunities will be created outside of Scotland

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because of the moratorium on fracking. The science says and she

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should know because her government commission the survey, it concludes

:27:25.:27:32.

that the technology exists to allow the safe extraction of such reserves

:27:33.:27:39.

subjecting robust regulation being put in place. Why is the First

:27:40.:27:44.

Minister not listening to our government's own scientists on this.

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The moratorium of fracking has been introduced so we can study all the

:27:56.:28:01.

different aspects of this. It is guided by and based on evidence but

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also takes into account the opinion of the public. Those who would have

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to live in areas affected by technology like this. That is the

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right thing to do. Murdo Fraser didn't quote the report when it

:28:16.:28:19.

comes to diversity patient fully. The companies that talked about the

:28:20.:28:22.

opportunities of diversification also took about the opportunities of

:28:23.:28:29.

diversification into renewables. I wonder why a Tory member of the

:28:30.:28:33.

Scottish Parliament didn't want to mention renewables. Against all of

:28:34.:28:37.

the witches of people the length and breadth of the country, against some

:28:38.:28:42.

of the investment decisions, the Tory UK Government is currently

:28:43.:28:46.

destroying our renewables potential because of its wrong-headed

:28:47.:28:48.

decisions. Perhaps he would be better advised to get onto his

:28:49.:28:52.

colleagues in the UK Government and ask for support for renewables

:28:53.:28:55.

before coming to this chamber to talk about fracking. On 21st of

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January the 1st Minister was asked when she would provide an updated

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oil and gas to analytical bulletin. I am giving her a second

:29:12.:29:16.

opportunity. Given the severe challenges facing the oil and gas

:29:17.:29:21.

industry outlined starkly by the Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of

:29:22.:29:26.

Commerce survey in May, will she now publish a revised oil and gas

:29:27.:29:32.

bulletin and when will we see it? It will be published in June, sand I

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will make sure she is one of the first to know when it is due. -- it

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will be published in due course. We publish these publications routinely

:29:44.:29:49.

but we don't need advice to tellers about the challenges faced in the

:29:50.:29:53.

sector right now. We know that from our engagements with the industry

:29:54.:29:58.

and report such of the ones we have received recently. In the meantime,

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we will get on with the job of supporting the industry. Practical

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support on the ground and calling on the UK Government to do the right

:30:06.:30:07.

thing as well. When she meets Amber Rudd, would she

:30:08.:30:24.

undertake to make a point about the tax relief being used to make sure

:30:25.:30:27.

the jobs in this industry are here in Scotland, rather than taken

:30:28.:30:31.

overseas to ignore away or other EU countries? I can give the commitment

:30:32.:30:36.

that we will make that case. I will try to do it tonight but bewildered

:30:37.:30:41.

on an ongoing basis. There is an important point here. We don't want

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to see premature decommissioning, but decommissioning is a massive

:30:47.:30:50.

economic opportunity for us and we want the nature of the benefit of

:30:51.:30:54.

that opportunity is enjoyed here in Scotland and not elsewhere and part

:30:55.:30:59.

of what we need to do is what he says, to make sure the tax

:31:00.:31:03.

environment is the right one and we will argue that case very strongly.

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What is the Scottish Government doing to reverse the reported fall

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in women studying science and competing at higher levels?

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Interestingly, the reported fall he says, it is not an actual file in

:31:22.:31:26.

most cases. The figures that were released to the media over the

:31:27.:31:31.

weekend are simply wrong. Every subject he named, with the exception

:31:32.:31:35.

of competing, has seen rises in the number of girls, not false. Physics,

:31:36.:31:42.

chemistry, biology, human biology, the. Including computed, the total

:31:43.:31:46.

number of entries is up 10%. How come they are so wrong? Let me tell

:31:47.:31:51.

you, Iain Gray arrived at his figures by counting only... He

:31:52.:31:58.

excluded both the beef eyes and the... Did he do this deliberately

:31:59.:32:05.

or whether the Labour education spokesman did not know that hires

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were being reformed? I am not sure which is worse. In contrast, the

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Scottish Government will encourage people into these subjects because

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they are vital to these -- to Scottish future. Perhaps the First

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Minister and I can argue about the numbers and other time.

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I think we agree that we do need women to choose science and,

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actually, I wanted to use this opportunity to congratulate her on

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the appointment of Professor Sheila Rowan as Chief scientific adviser.

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That is a great appointment, but it is also a fantastic role model to

:32:54.:32:59.

encourage more girls and young women into science and she is a physicist,

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which is good in my view. When Anne Glover was appointed as the first

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chief scientist in Scotland, she had direct, open for access to the First

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Minister. That has not been the case in recent years. It would be another

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welcome and powerful signal if the First Minister or to re-establish

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that, when she considered doing so? I will consider everything that will

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help us in this regard. Can I thank him about his comments. We cannot

:33:30.:33:38.

gloss over this, it goes back to the exchange with myself and Coetzee

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Guptill, I hope the SNP and Labour can be allies, but we have do have a

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debate based on facts, not distortions. Let me underline what

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Labour did. They compare 2007 and 2015. They took the 2007 baseline,

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when hires were the only thing young people sat and used that as the

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baseline. Then they went to 2015 and only counted the old hires, they did

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not include the new and revised ones which are replacing the old ones.

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They then went to the media on the basis of that information and said

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there was a fault in the number of girls studying these science

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subjects. It was flatly wrong, it was a distortion of reality and

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frankly it was a disgrace. If we are going to move forward to build

:34:29.:34:34.

consensus, to build alliances about improving education for young

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people, if you want to be part of that then let's stop the distortion

:34:38.:34:47.

and did on the basis of facts. First Minister, an all girls team from

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Saint Anders -- Andrews School recently reached the final of an

:34:52.:34:57.

engineering challenge which is run by the engineering development

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trust. Does the First Minister agree that it would be worthwhile to

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ensure the ongoing success of the Scottish Government strategies in

:35:07.:35:10.

this field, worthwhile to consider such initiatives as this on the

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local and national basis, targeted specifically at girls and young

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women? Yes they do and can I take the opportunity to congratulate the

:35:22.:35:28.

girls in her constituency for their success. I understand 18 from

:35:29.:35:34.

another high school in my constituency was also successful. I

:35:35.:35:38.

congratulate all the teams involved. And I also agree with her about the

:35:39.:35:43.

work of the scheme. Initiatives like these have a role to play in

:35:44.:35:47.

inspiring young people and helping them develop their skills and an

:35:48.:35:53.

awareness of the world of work. They often help us tackle outdated

:35:54.:35:57.

stereotypes about so-called boy's jobs and so-called girl's jobs. We

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are pleased to support schemes of a similar nature and we will continue

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to do so. Let me agree with and entertained by congratulating all

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the teams who took part in the scheme and I should remember the

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team from... Went with the new ferry crossing open? Yesterday the

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crossing is expected to be open for traffic by mid May which is head of

:36:34.:36:37.

the contractual completion date of June 20 17. I think the First

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Minister for answer. Many people will find it hard to understand why

:36:44.:36:49.

25 days lost to adverse weather can lead to a five-month delay in

:36:50.:36:52.

opening the crossing. Indeed, it has been an open secret in my

:36:53.:36:56.

constituency that a delay was inevitable. I learned in January

:36:57.:37:02.

that the facility making contract -- concrete road tax did not have

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capacity to meet target. Does the First Minister belief parliament and

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my constituents believe that she first year of this delay after the

:37:14.:37:16.

election and they knew nothing about the problem with the road tax? If

:37:17.:37:22.

the member has any evidence to the contrary he should bring it forward,

:37:23.:37:27.

because of the Cabinet Secretary said yesterday is absolutely what is

:37:28.:37:32.

the case. Ministers were informed on the 26th of May that the F C BC were

:37:33.:37:38.

looking at whether impacts. The revised programme was ratified.

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Since then, ministers have been making sure that transport Scotland

:37:46.:37:50.

were subjecting that programme to rigorous scrutiny. I personally met

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with the contract on Tuesday of this week to satisfy myself that

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everything possible was being done to accelerate progress and it was at

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that meeting that we took the decision, rightly, that Parliament

:38:03.:38:08.

should be informed at the earliest possible opportunity. That is the

:38:09.:38:12.

fact of the matter and eligible members would accept that. In terms

:38:13.:38:19.

of the other points he raises, in terms of the delay, that was set out

:38:20.:38:26.

very by Keith Brown yesterday. The constructors now believe

:38:27.:38:29.

installation will take an extra two or three months. That creates a

:38:30.:38:33.

knock on effect for subsequent activities like road surfacing and

:38:34.:38:37.

wind barriers which will now take place in the winter months because

:38:38.:38:41.

of that delay. That is the reason for the timescale that has been set

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out. My last point is this, the bridge will not be late. The

:38:47.:38:50.

contractual completion date is June 20 17. The December target did which

:38:51.:38:57.

was six months ahead of schedule will not be met but it will still

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open ahead of schedule. This is one of the most wonderful and compacts

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construction progress -- projects being undertaken in the world and we

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should be proud of it and proud of the people building it. Given the

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wildly optimistic and skills that have now proven to be wildly

:39:19.:39:25.

optimistic and the previous attempts to project short timescales for the

:39:26.:39:28.

repairs to the old Bridge, would it not be wise for the First Minister

:39:29.:39:32.

to generate a little bit more wiggle room? I am not sure I understand

:39:33.:39:40.

what the question was there. We are putting forward the estimated

:39:41.:39:46.

completion date based on the rigorous assessment and modelling

:39:47.:39:48.

that the contract has been paid to build the bridge have given us. Can

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I say to Alec Johnson, I know I was praised earlier for being so

:39:56.:39:59.

powerful in the global context, but I am not a bridge engineer. I don't

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have expertise in building bridges other than the ones I build across

:40:06.:40:18.

this chamber of the time. So I prefer to take my advice on at the

:40:19.:40:23.

time skills and the details of the construction of this new bridge from

:40:24.:40:26.

the experts we are paying to build it. That is the sensible thing to

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do. It is also the thing that ensures we are doing what matters

:40:31.:40:33.

more than anything else, protecting the safety of the brave people

:40:34.:40:44.

building the bridge. The First Minister just mentioned timescales

:40:45.:40:48.

from experts. We can all understand why the weather might delay a

:40:49.:40:50.

complicated civil engineering projects such as this bridge.

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However, any complicated project will have contingency built into the

:40:56.:41:00.

timeline. At what point did the Scottish Government knew that the

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contingency had been used up and wouldn't have been prudent to

:41:06.:41:12.

continue to claim that the December date was realistic if they had

:41:13.:41:14.

already known the contingency was used up? Let me try to put this

:41:15.:41:21.

simply. If ministers had known what Keith Brown outlined yesterday

:41:22.:41:26.

earlier than of course it would not have been prudent or appropriate for

:41:27.:41:31.

us to say it will be open to traffic in December, but that is not the

:41:32.:41:35.

case. What I have just set out which Keith Brown said yesterday is that

:41:36.:41:39.

ministers became aware that contractors were looking at the

:41:40.:41:43.

whether impacts on the 26th of May and they set out the timeline that

:41:44.:41:48.

happened after that. The fact of the matter is that in a project as

:41:49.:41:52.

complex as this, there are challenges to be overcome all the

:41:53.:41:56.

time and the contractors have overcome those that have eaten into

:41:57.:42:00.

the contingency time. Until May they were confident that notwithstanding

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the worst than predicted whether they could still meet December, the

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date that was six months ahead of the contractual completion date.

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They then revised that because they realised that was not possible. They

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have informed ministers in the appropriate weight and ministers

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have informed Parliament in the appropriate way. Now, for goodness

:42:21.:42:24.

sake, let's get on with backing the people building this bridge because

:42:25.:42:27.

we are all looking forward to think open to traffic next year. What

:42:28.:42:35.

action will be Scottish Government take to ensure that the Scottish

:42:36.:42:39.

National Blood Transfusion Service is adequately funded? ?43 billion is

:42:40.:42:46.

being invested in a purpose-built state of the National Centre that

:42:47.:42:53.

will deliver a first-rate in the testing and development of human

:42:54.:42:56.

blood cells. This will bring together several core activities of

:42:57.:42:59.

the transfusion service into one purpose-built site. NHS National

:43:00.:43:06.

services Scotland, the parent organisation, has been provided with

:43:07.:43:09.

record levels of funding, including a baseline funding increase of ?10

:43:10.:43:15.

million in 2016-17, which is a real terms increase. Mark Turner, the

:43:16.:43:21.

medical director, has warned that the Scottish Government funding cuts

:43:22.:43:25.

are now so severe that over the course of the next Parliament, it

:43:26.:43:31.

will face serious cuts to the service. Would the First Minister

:43:32.:43:35.

believe that the funding reductions are going to help the aim of us

:43:36.:43:39.

increasing the number of blood donors in Scotland and was she

:43:40.:43:42.

agreed to reconsider the funding over the course of this Parliament?

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We are pledging, over the life of this Parliament, above inflation

:43:50.:43:52.

increases to the health service. I should point out that the Scottish

:43:53.:43:55.

Government does not directly fund this. We fund the parent

:43:56.:44:00.

organisation which is NHS national services Scotland. The funding for

:44:01.:44:05.

NHS national services Scotland has increased by ?10 billion in this

:44:06.:44:09.

financial year, which is a 2% real terms increase. I know the vital

:44:10.:44:15.

importance of the work the Scottish National blood translation service

:44:16.:44:18.

does. I used to say that with my own eyes as Health Secretary. It is an

:44:19.:44:23.

important service, it is a highly valued service and we will continue

:44:24.:44:27.

to do everything we can to support it. The last point I would make is

:44:28.:44:31.

around the new centre. The new centre is about bringing all these

:44:32.:44:35.

services together in one purpose-built site. As well as

:44:36.:44:39.

improving the quality of the work it does over the years ahead it will

:44:40.:44:43.

allow the service to provide its services in a more joined up and

:44:44.:44:47.

effective and efficient way. That is why the capital investment is so

:44:48.:44:48.

important. There we have it. The conclusion of

:44:49.:44:59.

questions to the First Minister. The First Minister referred to purdah

:45:00.:45:07.

which means when she is acting with the backing of civil service advice,

:45:08.:45:15.

she shouldn't be intervening in the European referendum but she did

:45:16.:45:23.

manage to get several references in. Let's speak about questions with

:45:24.:45:27.

Robbie Dinwoodie and Kieran Andrews. Robbie, first of all, Ruth Davidson

:45:28.:45:33.

going off on the issue of the NHS. They batted back and forth

:45:34.:45:42.

statistics but where did it lead? If you're going to go after Nicola

:45:43.:45:46.

Sturgeon with stats, you have to nail them down because she will

:45:47.:45:51.

often have a rival reading of the same stats. Ruth focused on the 162

:45:52.:45:56.

consultant vacancies for more than six months but Nicola came back with

:45:57.:46:04.

a barrage of areas where the NHS figures are different. Often using a

:46:05.:46:07.

different starting point for the calculation. She painted a

:46:08.:46:16.

resolutely upward picture. A much bigger, angrier series of exchanges

:46:17.:46:25.

with Kezia Dugdale and Iain Gray on education stats. She was noticeably

:46:26.:46:31.

aggressive. The more things change, the more they stay the same. The

:46:32.:46:36.

chamber was noisy with a lot of heckling. Nicola Sturgeon said that

:46:37.:46:40.

you couldn't argue about backs and yet that is just what they did. She

:46:41.:46:45.

accused Iain Gray of being selective with his information. It was a

:46:46.:46:50.

damning indictment but if she is corrected will cause big problems

:46:51.:46:55.

for Labour. He didn't come back all that vigorously. He seemed unable to

:46:56.:47:06.

talk about the figures. He seemed conciliatory. It looked like he had

:47:07.:47:10.

been found out and he knew it. It is a problem for the Education

:47:11.:47:15.

Secretary. She was described as the 50th most powerful woman in the

:47:16.:47:19.

world. Second in Britain after Her Majesty The Queen. I thought that

:47:20.:47:25.

the First Minister was a bit patronising. You paid more attention

:47:26.:47:38.

to that than me, yeah, right! The problem of getting young people from

:47:39.:47:48.

poorer backgrounds into higher education, desired Dale was laying

:47:49.:47:53.

the blame at the feet of the SNP -- Kezia Dugdale. But Nicola Sturgeon

:47:54.:48:01.

had her own facts to defend them. She admitted the key fact that at

:48:02.:48:05.

the level of 18-year-olds the figure had declined in a year but if you

:48:06.:48:10.

took the broader entry, the number had gone up. Inter -- interesting

:48:11.:48:21.

exchange about unethical business practices. She was challenged by

:48:22.:48:25.

Patrick Harvie to do more. Her powers are limited in that field.

:48:26.:48:31.

Patrick Harvie admitted that in his question and said that they want

:48:32.:48:38.

more powers over businesses to tackle these issues. Nicola Sturgeon

:48:39.:48:42.

is quite right, some of what has happened at Sport can!

:48:43.:48:59.

Not sure what she can do about those practices. There was a fascinating

:49:00.:49:07.

is danger with Murdo Fraser talking about fracking. Nicola Sturgeon came

:49:08.:49:12.

back and top dog the prospects of decommissioning from the North Sea.

:49:13.:49:17.

That was raised before the election. At that point, Nicola Sturgeon said

:49:18.:49:25.

that people were talking the industry down and now it is a boon

:49:26.:49:32.

for the industry in north-east Scotland. Let's hope for the people

:49:33.:49:41.

there that she sticks by her latest proclamation. It didn't sound like

:49:42.:49:51.

there was much support for fracking. Murdo is persistent. He is Mr

:49:52.:50:00.

fracking. In putting him down in the same way as she does with the

:50:01.:50:05.

Conservatives, she points to what the Tories are doing over the

:50:06.:50:09.

border. In this case, she turned the question around from fracking to say

:50:10.:50:15.

that the other area to diversify into is renewables and the

:50:16.:50:18.

Conservative government are the ones who are damaging that. Any doubt

:50:19.:50:24.

that the moratorium will end in a band? I don't think so. It looks set

:50:25.:50:32.

in stone. There would be a party revolt if it ended in anything other

:50:33.:50:36.

than a band. They want to wait for the evidence to support it first.

:50:37.:50:41.

They are looking for the evidence for their conclusion rather than

:50:42.:50:44.

using the evidence to come to a conclusion. Evidence being gathered

:50:45.:50:51.

there. In Holyrood, it's filtered through the committee system which

:50:52.:50:55.

is a core element of the work done here in Parliament. New parliament,

:50:56.:51:00.

new committees, new members. Parliament will be asked to endorse

:51:01.:51:04.

the new membership. The SNP no longer has a majority in the chamber

:51:05.:51:09.

so they don't have a majority on the committees. There was a feeling in

:51:10.:51:12.

the last parliament that the committees with an SNP majority were

:51:13.:51:19.

a little bit soup pine and sucking up to ministers. The feeling is that

:51:20.:51:24.

will change. We will look at the situation. Attacks on the and

:51:25.:51:33.

powerful. There is a profound and unqualified apology for all of the

:51:34.:51:41.

distress. Public humiliations. For a lawyer, you are remarkably cavalier

:51:42.:51:48.

with any idea of justice. Exposing showdowns. Committee rooms are often

:51:49.:51:52.

where the action takes place in Parliament. There has long been a

:51:53.:51:57.

feeling that Holyrood's midi system once a jewel in the crown, hasn't

:51:58.:52:02.

been living up to expectations. The cause of the SNP's domination of the

:52:03.:52:10.

committees, people thought that reports were watered down and often

:52:11.:52:16.

blocked by backbenchers. They didn't work as well as they should have

:52:17.:52:21.

done because the SNP controlled the chamber and the committees. An

:52:22.:52:25.

difficult issues for the government, people were turning to committees to

:52:26.:52:31.

get a more positive spin on some of the evidence that the committees

:52:32.:52:36.

were hearing. Last month's third historic election victory changes

:52:37.:52:43.

everything. Having failed to win a majority of seats in parliament, the

:52:44.:52:51.

government has excepted it can no longer expect a majority on the

:52:52.:52:58.

committees. The arithmetic used to calculate emitting memberships is

:52:59.:53:03.

our starting point. That would have given us a majority on some

:53:04.:53:08.

committees. We felt that in the spirit of consensus we should accept

:53:09.:53:11.

the parliamentary arithmetic on the basis that in the chamber we have

:53:12.:53:15.

one less than a majority and that should affect the committees.

:53:16.:53:21.

Parliament's new Presiding Officer says negotiations over committee

:53:22.:53:25.

numbers have been consensual. We found that the parliamentary

:53:26.:53:31.

committee recommended that the number of committees were kept small

:53:32.:53:37.

to make them more effective. We are trying to balance that with strict

:53:38.:53:40.

proportionality. That actually requires larger committees. I found

:53:41.:53:46.

during the negotiations that all the business managers and parties were

:53:47.:53:51.

very collegiate and collaborative in their approach. There is a lot of

:53:52.:53:55.

give and take and we reached a conclusion that is fair to every

:53:56.:54:03.

single party in the Parliament. There's also concern that two of

:54:04.:54:07.

Parliament's main committees are all male. The Presiding Officer has

:54:08.:54:15.

announced that measures will be taken to address gender balance soon

:54:16.:54:18.

meaning that the committees will look very different. Joined by my

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colleagues again. Is it right to say that the committees in the previous

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parliament were lickspittle? It was a factor of their arithmetic. The

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SNP had a majority in the parliament and therefore on the committees.

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Were they bound to act as cheerleaders rather than

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scrutineers, some con been as may have tried harder than others to do

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that. It was an inevitability of the old formula. I think it will be

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better this time. In what regard? Committees are meant to scrutinise

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and question and sometimes meant to criticise and I think we are more

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liable to get that this time. It reflected the majority and now it no

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longer does because there isn't one. Was the instinct when the government

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was up against it to roll in behind them rather than to add to their

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trials? I think it was. Look to the Justice committee of the report on

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court closures. The committee had been quite robust in its language

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around closures but when it came to the crunch, backing the government's

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one, the SNP majority voted it through without a change. Even when

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members had spoken openly against it. The member for North East Fife,

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one key quote was speaking out against it and he voted it through.

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It's a result of the SNP being a very loyal party. It is what

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happens. They automatically vote that way. We lay a lot of stress on

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the importance of committees but do we over a gate a little bit? No. It

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is a revising chamber. If you don't get legislation right first time it

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is not easy to come back. There is no one overseeing it. The committees

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are vital to ensure what is past is good law. We can't over exaggerate

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how important they are. The subject that they're not speak its name, it

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did occur a little bit. It is purdah, she can't talk about the

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referendum because civil servants are obliged to remain neutral. She

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got a of references to a certain debate. There are a lot of things

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happening today on the European scene. George Osborne has decided to

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come back north of the border and bring project fear back scarier than

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ever. Gordon Brown is emerging when he does when it comes to referenda,

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he comes out from where he has been. He is in Glasgow with Neil Kinnock.

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The big beasts are out in force. A new report saying why he needs to do

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this. Although the remaining side remains in the lead in Scotland, it

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is softer and not committed and there is a danger it could slip. In

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some ways, what the yes side might have wanted is that the gap is

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narrowing, to have the effect that was had in the independent

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referendum. They haven't got that but what they can do is analyse how

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strong the drive is within that yes support. The Remain support. They

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have the message that it can't be taken for granted. The Leave side

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saying that George Osborne's figure of the negative effect on Scotland

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is nonsense. They are being very strong on this in vote to leave.

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They point out that George Osborne had to revise his own six-month

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economic forecast so how can you say two years in the future but the

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effect of Brexit will be on Scotland? It is a fair point to

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make. These predictions also have a great deal of, you know... Thank you

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very much for joining us. It will be interesting to see what Nicola

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Sturgeon makes of the Treasury forecasts. She didn't like them in

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2014. Will she like them now Ashton

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