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Good afternoon and welcome to Politics Scotland.

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The Lib Dem MP Alistair Carmichael has survived

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a legal challenge to his election - we'll bring you the reaction.

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Opposition parties at Holyrood are calling for an inquiry

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into the closure of the Forth Road Bridge.

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Here at Westminster, the UK Government announces an extra ?50

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million to help the victims of flooding. Some of that money will go

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to Scotland, but are the measures radical enough? The Orkney and

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Shetland MP Alistair Carmichael will remain in Parliament after surviving

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a legal challenge to his election. Four of his constituents brought the

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case, claiming his actions around the leak of a memo questioned his

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credential. Judges ruled he had lied but it didn't breach electoral law.

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As the member of Parliament... Elected in May, Alistair Carmichael

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continues as MP for Orkney and Shetland. The news was relayed to

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the House of Commons. The judges have determined that the petition be

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dismissed. Here is where we started a, report in April a month from the

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UK general election, Alistair Carmichael admitted leaking a memo

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from the French consul which suggested that Nicola Sturgeon had

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indicated at a meeting she wanted to see David Cameron returned as Prime

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Minister. But at first, Mr Carmichael denied all knowledge in

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an interview. The first I became aware of this, was when I received a

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phone call on Friday afternoon from a journalists. Nicola Sturgeon

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denied the claims and diplomats said they were wrong. Petitioners for Mr

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Carmichael's constituency said his election was based on a lie and took

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the case to court. Today the verdict from the judges. They said Mr

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Carmichael's comments constituted a false statement of fact, in other

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words a lie. They noted that the intention of his conduct was to

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furment further his own electoral interest. But it relates only to

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lies in respect of of the perm character or conduct of a candidate

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for the purpose of affecting that candidate's return. On that the

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judges were left with a reasonable doubt. It has been a very difficult

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and stressful and expensive few months for me and the rest of my

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family. I have been cleared of the breach of Representation of the

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People Act brought by nationalists. Nonsense, the only politically

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inspired act, as admitted by Mr Carmichael was leaking a memo he

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knew to be false to attack the SNP. And the petitioner thes claimed a

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moral victory. Here is one. We have proved in court that Alistair

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Carmichael lied to his constituents. If I had seen this in a court

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judgement about me, I would be resigning. The court also criticised

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Mr Carmichael's response to a leak inquiry as at best disengenerous, at

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worst evasive and self-serving. The MP said he has been vindicated.

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David Porter has been following developments. Including you were

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speaking to Alistair Carmichael. Behind the mask of chipperness, is

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he as pleased as he looks with himself. I think relief is probably

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the first emotion that you would describe. He says on a personal

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level this this has been stressful few months. He admits with hind

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sight he would have done things differently. He is pleased that the

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electical court cleared him on the essential charge that he broke

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electoral law. If the case had gone against him, it would have been

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curtains for his political career. There would have been a by-election

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and he probably would have been told he could not stand. So essentially I

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think his first emotion is one of relief. He now knows that he has to

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rebuild the relationship with some section of his constituency in

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Orkney and Shetland, but if it had gone the other way things would have

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been worse for him. Do you think there are perhaps a few members down

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there and perhaps members of Scottish Parliament breathing a bit

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of a sigh of relief, it does establish that just because you told

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porkers doesn't mean you get kicked out and there may be up with or two

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ministers/MPs in Parliament who have also told porkers. I don't think

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that would be stretching the point that some members here may have been

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used to that phrase economic with with the actuality that was once

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used in a court case in lontd. It was in the heat of an election

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campaign. I think there are many MPs past ands present who would have

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thought will perhaps in the past that some things have been said are

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not 100% true and copper-bottomed. There was a strange dicot mrooe from

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the emotion of what happened in the election campaign the court case and

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the dry statement from the speaker of the House of Commons as

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proceedings started today at the very start of business. He just

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reported what the electoral court had found and said that that meant

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that the result for Orkney and Shetland would stand and it would be

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now put in the record. It was as driep as that. But -- as dry as

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that. But many MPs will be thinking, yeah, I'm a bit glad that didn't

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involve me and if we look with hind sight, perhaps things they have done

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in the past they would do differently. Don't go away. We will

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be back laterment Our guest for the laterment day

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is the political editor What do you make of this, I'm not

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trying to question the decision of their Lordships. I wonder whether

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Alistair Carmichael and his supporters will playing this

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politically well? Yes, it is a legal technicality that he has been

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cleared on. His response to that decision today has been ill-judged.

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This is a man who... You think his response? Yes, because he said he

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has complained about it being a politically motivated case and it

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was ugly. But this is a guy that has been found by the court to have

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lied. He lied because he was trying to enhance his political reputation

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and the reason that he hasn't been kicked out is just because it wasn't

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the right kind of lie. Also he is a member of a political party, which

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makes great play of how its different and it is honest and up

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front. All political parties make that claim I suppose. I think that

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and it is not just Alistair Carmichael, there is a press release

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the Liberal Democrats without put quoting Tim far Ron the UK leader

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and they're all saying something similar. Attacking the people who

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have brought this a saying it is politically motivated. If you had a

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judgment made against you and made against one of your MPs which is

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very critical of the personal conduct of Alistair Carmichael, to

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respond in that fashion is ill-judged. It would have been... It

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seems that it is correct and I should say as a journalist people,

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politicians leak all the time and it is difficult to leak without some

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level of deceit. I wonder about the public mood. Maybe in the old days

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before the House of Commons expenses scandal, but there a mood abroad

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that politicians are the same and all tell lies. Even if it is unfair.

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If you're a politician... If you like, I am not suggesting he should

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have resigned, but the way they have handled it, to say it is fine,

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because we got off on a technicality and not address the substance of the

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issue, not just the SNP members who brought the case, but other people

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across Britain thinking why, this is the way we want politicians not to

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behave. I think that is correct. In this case, the legal case has been

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brought, it had been crowd funded by Scottish nationalists, that does not

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mean that people who are not nationalists, just members of

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public, would like their MPs to behave in a more honest fashion.

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Thank you. We will be back with you soon.

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To the chamber at Holyrood now, where MSPs are debating a Labour

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motion which advocates spending the health-related Barnett

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consequentials created by George Osborne's Spending Review

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? Let's go the the chamber. The impact would have been disastrous.

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Thank you for that brevity. Now the next item of business. That is...

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Point of order. Mr Kelly? Thank you. I rise to make a point of order in

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relation to the statement from derick McKay Transport Minister on

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the Forth Road Bridge. In response to a question from Alex Johnson

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about cancellation of planned maintenance works, Mr Mackay started

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that work that would have been covered by the cancelled maintenance

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contract was not the fault on the bridge occurred. However in a BBC

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interview, Mr Mackay said the work planned under the contract cancelled

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in 2010 would have covered the area where the fault occurred on the

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bridge. Clearly, these statements are contradictory. This is a serious

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matter. It would appear that Mr Mackay has misled Parliament. I

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would ask... That Mr Mackay return to Parliament before close of

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business to correct the record and give an open and transparent

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explanation as to the impact of planned maintenance works on the

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Forth Road Bridge. Thank you. Clearly, Mr Mackay's statements are

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a matter for Mr Mackay. And only for him. So therefore this is not a

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point of order. However you have made your point. Now we move to the

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next item of business, the debate on motion No 12509 8. Patricia

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Ferguson? I seek your guidance as to the remedies to hold minister to

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account for statements they make in Parliament which are contradicted by

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statements outside this place. There must be some mechanism that allows

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us to do that? I will reflect on what you say, and I will get back

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later in the day to you in that regard. The next item the motion in

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the name of Jenny Marra on health. I call on Jenny Marra to speak to and

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move the motion. Thank you. We come to the chamber today to discuss

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health and social care integration. While we make our speeches and

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debate today, thousands of people across Scotland will be in their

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homes. Having just perhaps had a visit from a carer at lunch time to

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give them their lunch. Many will have been helped by a carer this

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morning to get out of bed, to wash, to shower, to dress and have been

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given their breakfast. Many of the carerses will have then done the

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washing up, put the bin out, perhaps dealt with any family issues. Made

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sure their charge has what he or she needs or wants for the day. Made

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sure they're warm up that the radio or TV is on the right channel that

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those lucky enough to receive visitors know what is happening

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throughout the day, that the key's in the right place, that this enough

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tea in the caddy. All the while, they are watching the clock. The

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myriad of seemingly small but important challenges is one of the

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reasons that health and social care integration is challenging on a

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daily basis. Medicines are to be taken. The GP has prescribed three

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times a day. Carers can't administer medicines, this has to be done by

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someone else, who is that person? This is an example of day-to-day

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challenges that makes bringing health and social care together so

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complex and challenge and that is the reality on the ground. A window

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into many homes across Scotland this afternoon. And it is the right thing

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to do. Because we know that many, many old people - and they are the

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majority of recipients of home care - they want to stay in their own

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homes. Last week, audit Scotland published its report on health and

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social care spe Gration. -- integration. There were some

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challenging messages for the government. At the start in the

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summary it noted that there is evidence to suggest that integration

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authorities will not be in a position to make a major impact in

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2016, 2017. The Labour motion sets out clearly today that Labour would

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spend Barnett consequentials on health and social care integration.

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It is plain for everyone to see that social care needs more investment if

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it is to be successful. It is clear in Scotland and it is clear across

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the United Kingdom and across most of western Europe. It is plain for

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everyone to see that this need becomes more and more urgent every

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day as our population ages and more and more people require care. The

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Scottish government itself has estimated that the increase in the

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need for health and social care services will rise by between 18 and

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29% by 2030. And it is place for everyone to see -- and it is plain

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for everyone to see that investment is about prevention. Ten years ago

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Campbell Christy made recommendations and preventative

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spending which this Government signed up to in opposition. But we

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have still not seen that shift that is necessary. The Scottish

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Government themselves estimate that 137 to 150 million could be saved.

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It is now nearly a year since Shona Robison announced that delayed

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discharge would be abolished by the end of the year. Now, I can't

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criticise the cabinet Secretary for her ambition on this, but she will

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have made this statement in full knowledge that keeping people in

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hospital is more expensive than caring for them at home. Some

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estimates she will know put a week's stay in hospital at nearly ?4,000.

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And last week's audit Scotland report states in 2014, 15 NHS

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Scotland used 625,000 bed days for patients who were already ready to

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be discharged. It has been announced that Donald Trump has been dropped

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from global Scot, a worldwide network who promotes Scotland. Our

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correspondent can bring us up-to-date. Is this a devastating

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blow to Donald Trump? Well Nicola Sturgeon dropped Mr Trump as a

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global Scot. A press release was sent out saying his remarks about a

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ban on Muslims coming into the United States after the gun shooting

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in California, his remarks have shown he is no longer fit to be a

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business ambassador for Scotland and his membership of the global Scot

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business network should be withdrawn with immediate effect and there are

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questions in the House of Commons today to the Chancellor, who is

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standing in for the Prime Minister about Mr Trump and his comments. I'm

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joined by three MSPs. Mike McKenzie, Graham Pearson and Murdo Fraser.

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Let's start with the Trump situation. Should Mr Trump perhaps

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not have been dropped as a global Scot plied when he made those

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comments and Muslims. No, I'm pleased to hear he has been dropped.

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I don't this sentiments are at all welcome. I think the First

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Minister's done the right thing to send that message that that kind of

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behaviour, those sentiments are not welcome and they're not appropriate

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in Scotland and so I'm pleased she has the done that. Mr Trump is tied

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up in Scottish life with Trump aviation at westest Prestwick

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airport, owned by the Scottish Government. But I think the First

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Minister's done the right thing. Those remarks are unacceptable in

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Scotland. Graham Pearson, the press release said he was appointed a

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global Scot in 2000 6 when Jack McConnell was First Minister. Well

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Mr Trump has had a love/hate relationship with the Scottish

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establishment and Mr Trump. We had the Scottish nationalists were

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played about his golfing endeavours and his worth and then fell out

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about wind farms. His latest pronouncements show him not fit for

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purpose for Scottish society. I'm glad it's happened. It is long

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overdue. It can be awkward, governments want to get big business

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people involved and Mr Trump was involved in Scotland under Jack

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McConnell's leadership. At that time he had a a different persona and

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different ambitions. The last five years has not been an auspicious

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time for Mr Trump, I'm glad we have severed our link. Money doesn't

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bayou everything. -- doesn't buy you everything. Mohammed sheik the SNP

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MSP asked the Chancellor whether in Mr Trump should be banned from

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coming into the country as a hate freechest preacher -- preacher. It

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is a dangerous territory saying we should ban people from speaking

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their mind or we deem their views unacceptable. I think what he said

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was unacceptable. I was etc tweeting yesterday about why he was still a

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global Scot. I was amazed he was stiff still a global Scot after what

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he said about Mexican people. It should have happened before now. He

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has gone from that role. He is still a substantial investor in Scotland

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and we need to be careful about that relationship. We remember the former

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First Minister Alex Salmond being very cosy with Mr Trump. Perhaps in

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the future First Ministers should be more careful about who they are

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consievial with. -- convivial. Now the Forth Road Bridge, did the

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Scottish Government cutback on repairs and that led to this

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situation? ?" No the minister came to Parliament yesterday and gave a

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comprehensive statement. He was very clear on that point. This is not a,

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been caused by any deficiency in maintenance, it was unforeseen, it

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is a technical matter and he invited all MSPs to attend a technical

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briefing on Monday morning at south Queensferry to satisfy themselves

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and to ask questions and to do so in a place that won't result in two

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personnel being taken off the bridge and off the vital repairs. That is

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the important thing, to get the bridge properly repaired and open

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again as soon as possible. This was unforeseen and Labour are calling

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for a public inquiry, but sometimes things just happen. It is a shearing

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of metal. It It is not as simple. I know there are tens of thousands of

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motorists want to know why this was allowed to happen. It is one of the

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main routes in Scotland, reported this morning that five years ago an

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issue was raised about maintaining this particular part of Britain and

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ensurer -- part of the bridge and a decision was taken not to maintain

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the bridge. And I know James Kelly raised a motion asking has the

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cabinet Secretary misled Parliament and we need to be clear who made the

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decision five years ago and why was it made and should it be made?

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Certainly this last week it has been misery for thousands of people and

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we need some clarity, how did we arrive at this station. --

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situation. Misery for many of your constituents, are the arrangements

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enough or the people to get moving? I think, I have used the public

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transport arrangements for the last two days. For many people they're

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working well. For others they're not because you can't replicate a

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journey a lot of people would have made by car. We are fortunate it is

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happening in the run up to Christmas when people are be more flexible

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with their work. If the closure continues until January, then we

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have a serious problem. But we can't lose sight of an issue that has

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arisen, Derek McKay told Parliament yesterday that the maintenance

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programme that was cancelled in 2010 would not have have had an impact on

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the crack that appeared. He said something different on the radio

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today. We are getting mixed messages. That is why we have been

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calling for an independent inquiry. I think that is essential, because

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the Scottish government can't seem to get their story straight on what

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has gone wrong. Well, the Scottish government can't get their story

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straight? I don't think that is the case. The minister made a clear

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statement yesterday to Parliament and obviously this is a changing

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situation, more information is becoming available as the engineers

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undertake their work. This is not political issue, but a technical

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issue. Of course they will try and make political capital, I be this

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should be more serious than that. It should be beyond politics. Its

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causing disruption and inconvenience and economic loss. The minister has

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been at pains to implement a transport plan. He is fine tuning it

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and the information I have is traffic flows are better than

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expected and I think we have to take the time to pay tribute to the

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people who are working in difficult weather conditions today, wind

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swept. These people are also working in a new bridge that is under budget

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and on time. That is good news. No one would speak against that. The

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reality still is we have a main route that is incapable of being

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used. There should have been work done five years ago which would have

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meant we could have maintained our connections as the other bridge

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still was being built and we need to have clarity. There was a message

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delivered yesterday and a different one today and we know where are the

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gap and are we gets a whitewash. Do you think everything will be up and

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running by the new year? I hope so. Because if not, we are more serious

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problems and even the Scottish government can't give us guarantees

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that will be the case. Thank you. Gordon with that back to you in the

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studio. David Clegg is still with me. Now is

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it bridge gate yet? Shall we official it bridge gate, you think

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the government has questions to answer. I have been looking at the

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detail of this. Yesterday in Parliament, the Transport Secretary

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said, it refers to works that were put out in 2010 or the for tender

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and cancelled. He said the works are not where the fault occurred. On the

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radio today he was asked if this was the case he said, well, it would

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have seen the replacement of that area and much more. So on the face

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of it it does look as if there is a discrepancy between what was being

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said in Parliament and what was said on the radio. Maybe the Government,

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all of whom have become experts in civil engineers will be able to

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explain it. There may be a technical explanation for it. There has been a

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point of order raised. I am sure the Scottish Government will prepare a

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response. It is unfortunate for the Government, because their response

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has been good up to now and they seem to be getting alternative

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transport arrangements done and kept people informed. But it does seem

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there is confusion about whether they are in the frame for, well the

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cancelling of the works in 2010 is what got us to this situation. You

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can see the ambitions of opposition politicians, they want to say, or

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add to this narrative that the SNP Government bang on about

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independence, when it came to running the country they have let

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things go to the dogs and here is another example. That will be the

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main message of the opposition parties. If you think back to the

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2011 election when the SNP won their majority, it wasn't anything to do

:29:37.:29:41.

with independence, it was won on we are a competent government and trust

:29:42.:29:46.

us to run the country well and the public thought they had done so.

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They got a massive majority. The focus became about independence. And

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that has led to an increase in their support but I'm not sure it has had

:29:58.:30:06.

a good effect on their running. Trump was popular when he was

:30:07.:30:13.

spending money. I think that was a mistake and it has taken some

:30:14.:30:19.

extreme comments for civic life in Scotland to recognise this is a man

:30:20.:30:24.

with some unsavoury views. Is in is the first thing that has happened

:30:25.:30:30.

where somebody said to Trump that we are taking something away. Have you

:30:31.:30:36.

come across any more? I'm not aware of anything. The whole presidential

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debate in America has been dominated by Donald Trump and the views that

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he has aired and response they're getting from some sections of the

:30:50.:30:56.

American public is disturbing. I think he is not just a fun figure,

:30:57.:31:02.

but could hold a very influential position and is already dominating

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the debate. I should point out that is the American version of the

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Apprentice and not the BBC verse. Which is beyond reproach. Now back

:31:13.:31:20.

to the chamber and a debate about social care. Labour have advocated a

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living wage for health workers. Shona Robison is responding.

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Recognised, as are members well, don't like the difference, that is

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why we have taken the action, to increase the rates of pay, direct

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responsibility, and we have set the example that we would encourage

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employers to follow. And we have done more than that, we have

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provided ?12.5 million, as part of an arrangement with local

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authorities and providers, what ?25 million, to improve the quality of

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care, including making progress towards democracy. That is welcome.

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With the integration, these care workers are going to move, tempting

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as part of the statutory workforce? IGBs required. To commission

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services, voices around the table, and of course we have put in place

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guidance, loving all of the to consider the question on what

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practices, about the human process. That is a strong lever for IGBs. The

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Scottish Government sees the payment of the living wage, as a commitment,

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and it is one of the ways that an employer can demonstrate it takes a

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positive approach to the workforce. Some of the authorities, already

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doing that. It does not stop there. I am committed to meeting for the

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progress. Working with COSLA. Care providers across Scotland, but in

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order to reach a common understanding about the scale of the

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challenge, I am happy to put the information, on the costings of

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delivering living wage, into spice, we do need the common understanding,

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so that we can look at the challenge that we need to make. I want to use

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the rest of the time... Two talk about my visit to Oakridge. I saw

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progress of work, an intermediate care, and what struck me, was the

:34:48.:34:56.

commitment of all the staff the leadership shown by the partnership

:34:57.:34:59.

in Glasgow, improving quality of life. The staff felt motivated by

:35:00.:35:05.

the work that they were doing, the police they were involved in

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something worthwhile. -- the belief. Last November, they've recorded 106

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delayed discharges, and October, the number was 25 this year. The staff

:35:22.:35:28.

were able to name those people, the lead in the system in Glasgow.

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Because they are in such small numbers. That is a good achievement,

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and we want other partnerships to deliver that. Over half of all

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partnerships have delayed discharge, into single figures, five account

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for 60% of the rest. I can assure Parliament, working very hard, I am

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conscious of time... I want to address this final point about the

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budget. On the forthcoming budget, the government has passed on every

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penny of health course consequential, since 2009, and the

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audit report makes it clear that the increase has happened, the federal

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includes capital, why is she shaking her head? It is clearer that health

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resource spending has increased. Capital spending, a different

:36:40.:36:46.

matter. We know that because of the 25% decrease from the Westminster

:36:47.:36:50.

government to the Scottish Government, capital spending has

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been a challenge. But the commitment has increased, in view terms. But in

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terms of the forthcoming budget, obviously, I cannot say much about

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that other than Parliament can be reassured, the direction of travel

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that I have laid out, will be continued in the decisions that we

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meet in the forthcoming budget. I am happy to move that amendment in my

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name. Amendment 1050.182. Thank you. Across the country, front line staff

:37:29.:37:37.

in health and social care are watching to satisfy people. I am not

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so familiar with the social care, but I am sure it is no different

:37:42.:37:46.

than the NHS, and for all the years I have known them, the vast majority

:37:47.:37:51.

of staff have been working with commitment, to ensure the best

:37:52.:37:56.

possible outcomes. We know that many people have been working under

:37:57.:38:01.

increasing pressure, as population strictures resources. Many have been

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retiring early. Recruitment has not always been easy. We see this with

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consultancy agencies, the difficulty of trouble attracting new trainees,

:38:17.:38:26.

and the difficulty in recruiting and the continuing use of staff, to

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cover the consist. Health boards are doing their best. At Grampian,

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strenuous efforts have been made to solve the problem. This has resulted

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in consultants vacancies being felt. -- filled. Overall, demand for NHS

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services is outstripping the available resources. This system is

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not sustainable. That has been made clearer by the auditor general.

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To Westminster now, where there was a break

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from the familiar routine of PMQs today.

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The PM in question is away, on a visit to Romania,

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as part of his ongoing quest to renegotiate the UK's

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So it fell to the Chancellor George Osborne to speak for the Government

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and to Labour's Shadow First Secretary of State,

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Mr Speaker... Our hearts go out to those suffering the consequences of

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flooding. Thousands have been affected, the priority has got to be

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for the government to get immediate help, but one year after the 20 14th

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once, -- 2014 floods, only 15% have received payments, this cannot

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happen again. These people need urgent help rate now. As the

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Chancellor going to give the house I guarantee that people will receive

:40:11.:40:14.

the help that they need, quickly? I want to join her, expressing

:40:15.:40:20.

sympathy of the house, to those affected by these terrible floods.

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The rainfall that has hit Cumbria and Lancashire. We have one severe

:40:30.:40:33.

flood warning in place. However has been restored to many homes, but we

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have got to be available for these families, we continue to support the

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immediate rescue efforts, the melancholy have deployed that.

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Recovery, what she has been asking about, 50 million has been made

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available to families and businesses affected, it will be administered in

:40:57.:41:01.

local authorities, to avoid administrative problems that she has

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been to. Rebuilding the infrastructure of these locations

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are affected, we are assessing the defences, and roads. Funds are going

:41:11.:41:16.

to be made available, one of the benefits of having a resilient

:41:17.:41:20.

economy. Reports in the north of Scotland about plans to transport

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dangerous nuclear material, nuclear weapons, uranium, on public roads to

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Wick airport. What will this be used for, and of any colleagues spoken

:41:41.:41:46.

with the Scottish minister about this? The transportation of these

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nuclear materials has happened across this country, over many

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decades. Established procedures, the Royal Marines and the police in

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Scotland provide security, as he has specific concerns that he wants to

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raise about the plans for the transportation, he can raise them

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with us, but the arrangements in place, to make sure we protect.

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Since the budget, I have asked about how he intends to meet women prove

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they had their third child... This policy as an walkable. -- is

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unworkable. It is perfectly reasonable to have the welfare

:42:42.:42:44.

system, available to those who need for it, but fair for those who pay

:42:45.:42:53.

for it. We have identified this specific case, women, subject to

:42:54.:43:00.

domestic abuse and we have made changes to protect these vulnerable

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women. The Home Secretary has banned 84 hate preachers from entering the

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UK. Donald Trump, 85? The best way to confront the opinions with

:43:19.:43:25.

somebody like .com, to engage in democratic debate, about why he is

:43:26.:43:30.

profoundly wrong about the contribution of American and British

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Muslims, that is the best way to do with that, rather than ban

:43:36.:43:36.

presidential candidates. No rain dropping on you yet? That

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has not happened yet, but are busy day at Westminster. I can introduce

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you to the MPs. I am going to begin with you, Nicol. The issue of the

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day for Scottish politics, the adjudication of that electoral

:44:19.:44:21.

court, involving Alistair Carmichael. An end to the matter? I

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hope that it is. It is the outcome that Alistair Carmichael has been

:44:31.:44:34.

hoping for, and the constituents of Orkney and Shetland. They want to

:44:35.:44:40.

get on with normal politics. It was a politically motivated court

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action, and I think the correct decision has been reached. He can

:44:46.:44:50.

get down to focusing his attention on representing the people of Orkney

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and Shetland. He has said it was politically motivated. Do you accept

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that? The SNP were not pushing this. This was for constituents, one of

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them was a Green Party member. I think this leaves problems for the

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Liberal Democrats. Alistair Carmichael has been found within the

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remits, let off. But we have a situation, the court itself has said

:45:31.:45:38.

that he told a blatant lie. Was evasive. This is hardly the language

:45:39.:45:45.

that should allow them to get off free. The court has spoken? The

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court has spoken, it is a formal committee, they have said it was a

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case to answer, we have examined and they have said that Alistair

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Carmichael can remain. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of poems, have

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been thrown at this case. If it is going to create a precedent for the

:46:11.:46:16.

future, who knows. It is to Alistair Carmichael to respond, if he wants

:46:17.:46:21.

to but it is important for Parliament and for constituents, for

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him to get back to doing his job. Is it correct that the courts get

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involved, the political argument? I do not think this was a political

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argument. As a lawyer, what Ian said is right. We observe the judgment of

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the court. It would be wrong for politicians to make adjudications.

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It was a political decision -- it was not a political decision, it was

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made by the courts. Donald Trump has also been in the headlines, other

:47:02.:47:06.

comments about Muslims in America. The Scottish Government has dropped

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him as a so-called ambassador for Scotland. Correct? I would invite

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all of us to put funds together for a spacerocket and fire him to space!

:47:26.:47:30.

The comments that he made have no place in modern democracy, and

:47:31.:47:34.

joking aside, the American people are going to ensure that he has no

:47:35.:47:37.

place in the Washington political setup. Westminster in the space

:47:38.:47:47.

business? He has been dropped as a global Scott, a former associate of

:47:48.:47:53.

the former First Minister, but he is still a shareholder, to do with

:47:54.:47:58.

Prestwick Airport, but these sort of comments have now please in a modern

:47:59.:48:03.

democracy. America, as the Chancellor said, is the place of

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liberty, the founding fathers would find it deplorable what he has been

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saying. Hopefully, not just the American people, but the Republican

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Party should reflect on the comments, taken off the list. It is

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fuelling the flames. He has been dropped by your government, but if

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he does have this association with Prestwick Airport, your government

:48:32.:48:39.

owns that, is that correct? One of my MPs has written to the Home

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Secretary, he has reminded that 84 hate preachers have been banned from

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coming to the United Kingdom, he wants this case to be considered as

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well. If he has an association with the Newport, owned by the Scottish

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Government, they do not take action? For the moment, we have taken

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correct action, we are only with the waiters, because they have said he

:49:09.:49:11.

is not fit to stand for presidential nomination. Your opinion? Has links

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with the Scottish Government have got to be closely examined. His

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comments, some of the most shocking in all of my time in politics.

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Coming from the person who wants to be leader of the democratic world.

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It is appropriate that we looked into these issues, and strong

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action, if possible, should be taken against him. Many topics, at the

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moment, one of them, flooding. If we are going to get rainfall like this,

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and flooding like this, the government is at Edinburgh and

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London have got to do more, spend more? That is correct. Local

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residents were promised this was going to be once in 100 years, here

:50:04.:50:13.

we are, years later... The compensation that George Osborne was

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talking about, at Prime Minister's Questions, David Talbot and was --

:50:20.:50:31.

David Cameron was overseas, it did not seem to be appropriate, remotely

:50:32.:50:34.

and off to substantially tackle the issue. We have got dishes, part of

:50:35.:50:42.

the problem is that you keep on saying that planning consent has

:50:43.:50:46.

been given for more housing, on the flood plain. Surprise surprise, they

:50:47.:50:55.

are going to be flooded. Nor one answer to this question? I do agree

:50:56.:51:00.

that spending more money is going to help. The Scottish Government has

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increased the amount to ?89 million. The defences that have been invested

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in have held up. I know that we will be taking back their concerns. The

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thing to remember, this was a terrible thing to happen at this

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time of year. The people who have been affected, we want to help them,

:51:28.:51:31.

and the volunteers as quickly as possible. Talks going on in Paris.

:51:32.:51:38.

Presumably, this is something that transcends party politics? It does.

:51:39.:51:44.

We have to think about the people affected. But we also have to think

:51:45.:51:49.

we are funding and getting the infrastructure correctly. Millions

:51:50.:51:54.

was put into Edinburgh, that had to come out of the budget of the

:51:55.:51:58.

councils. Both governments have to put more money into those sort of

:51:59.:52:04.

structures, if we are going to have this, this has been happening almost

:52:05.:52:09.

every decade. That is why the party stocks are so important, -- Paris

:52:10.:52:17.

talks, because Copenhagen was disappointing. One thing is for

:52:18.:52:22.

certain, one of the problems we have is that government ministers, on the

:52:23.:52:30.

dangers, climate change deniers. We cannot have climate change policy

:52:31.:52:32.

when they do not believe the science. One more question. When

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these things happen on your watch, your government is going to get the

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blame? You cannot crime any government for the web. That would

:52:46.:52:48.

be on there. We have to sympathise with the people of Britain,

:52:49.:52:53.

particularly Scotland, who have suffered, and in answer to the

:52:54.:52:59.

question you asked to Nicol, should the Scottish Government be working

:53:00.:53:03.

more effectively with the British government, I think yes, we need

:53:04.:53:09.

more respect, working in tandem. These are British matters, affecting

:53:10.:53:12.

all of the people, when it comes to these issues. Thank you very much.

:53:13.:53:26.

And thank you for being so brief on covering the subject.

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Just time for some final thoughts from David Clegg.

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I was thinking, listening to them, talking about Alistair Carmichael,

:53:33.:53:38.

about what you had said at the beginning of the programme. Ian

:53:39.:53:49.

Murray, leaping to the defence of a fellow member? Telling us it is to

:53:50.:53:55.

Alistair Carmichael to decide on the morality. The Scottish National

:53:56.:54:01.

Party took a different position, I am concerned this issue seems to be

:54:02.:54:06.

polarising itself, I won't independence. -- around.

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Conservatives, backing off? The court has decided, what he has got

:54:19.:54:22.

was not suitable, or sufficient for him to be thrown out of Parliament.

:54:23.:54:29.

Move on. But we cannot pretend the conduct was what any constituent

:54:30.:54:31.

would want from the elected representative. It was not. This

:54:32.:54:38.

willingness, of MPs, to somehow associate themselves with him, he's

:54:39.:54:48.

a chap in trouble... If I was a Liberal Democrat, putting myself up

:54:49.:54:51.

for election, I would not want to be associating myself with Alistair

:54:52.:54:56.

Carmichael, whatever the result is, he has been contaminated by this,

:54:57.:55:03.

not come out of it with. I would be surprised if we see in standing

:55:04.:55:10.

again in 2020. He will serve out this term. But Nicol Stephen said...

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The constituents are going to be deleted with the result. I suspect

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that is not true. -- delighted. The Forth Bridge. Nicola Sturgeon was

:55:31.:55:37.

making clay, about how she wanted to get this back open by the beginning

:55:38.:55:47.

of the year? Hostage to fortune? The daily record has spoken to some

:55:48.:55:51.

engineers, who have been incredulous about that. Presumably, the

:55:52.:55:55.

information that Niklas Dudgeon has been getting, is going to be

:55:56.:56:01.

informed, but having been so explicit, that definitely no lag...

:56:02.:56:09.

It is going to be on the timetable suggested, it is going to be a

:56:10.:56:19.

tricky position, if it rolls on. It is not even just engineering, at

:56:20.:56:25.

this time of year, gale force winds? The timetable out of joint? It is

:56:26.:56:35.

not good weather, for repealing, my limited knowledge would tell me

:56:36.:56:40.

that. I am surprised, they have been so categoric. Who knows what could

:56:41.:56:48.

happen? Donald Trump, we had the reaction, but more broader,

:56:49.:56:54.

Republicans have been queueing up, to tell us this is awful. It was

:56:55.:57:02.

such an extraordinarily comment. Extraordinary intervention.

:57:03.:57:07.

Especially when you have sensitivities about the issue of

:57:08.:57:16.

Islam. He was tweeting, he said he could stand as an independent.

:57:17.:57:23.

Whatever you think of Donald Trump, and the comments, this would be good

:57:24.:57:28.

news for Hillary Clinton? Obviously, as he stands as an independent, with

:57:29.:57:34.

his profile, he will presumably have funding, a strong independent

:57:35.:57:41.

candidate, you would assume that would lean him to the Republicans,

:57:42.:57:47.

but Hillary Clinton could be the ultimate winner.

:57:48.:57:49.

You can see First Minister's Questions tomorrow at noon,

:57:50.:57:52.

and I'll be back with Sunday Politics Scotland

:57:53.:57:54.

'From the industrial heart of Scotland...' Puff.

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'..to the remotest corners of the Hebrides...'

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'..the Clyde puffers were the workhorses of our coastal trade.'

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