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Good afternoon and welcome to Politics Scotland. | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
The Lib Dem MP Alistair Carmichael has survived | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
a legal challenge to his election - we'll bring you the reaction. | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
Opposition parties at Holyrood are calling for an inquiry | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
into the closure of the Forth Road Bridge. | :00:30. | :00:36. | |
Here at Westminster, the UK Government announces an extra ?50 | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
million to help the victims of flooding. Some of that money will go | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
to Scotland, but are the measures radical enough? The Orkney and | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
Shetland MP Alistair Carmichael will remain in Parliament after surviving | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
a legal challenge to his election. Four of his constituents brought the | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
case, claiming his actions around the leak of a memo questioned his | :01:05. | :01:13. | |
credential. Judges ruled he had lied but it didn't breach electoral law. | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
As the member of Parliament... Elected in May, Alistair Carmichael | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
continues as MP for Orkney and Shetland. The news was relayed to | :01:23. | :01:30. | |
the House of Commons. The judges have determined that the petition be | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
dismissed. Here is where we started a, report in April a month from the | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
UK general election, Alistair Carmichael admitted leaking a memo | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
from the French consul which suggested that Nicola Sturgeon had | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
indicated at a meeting she wanted to see David Cameron returned as Prime | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
Minister. But at first, Mr Carmichael denied all knowledge in | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
an interview. The first I became aware of this, was when I received a | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
phone call on Friday afternoon from a journalists. Nicola Sturgeon | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
denied the claims and diplomats said they were wrong. Petitioners for Mr | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
Carmichael's constituency said his election was based on a lie and took | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
the case to court. Today the verdict from the judges. They said Mr | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
Carmichael's comments constituted a false statement of fact, in other | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
words a lie. They noted that the intention of his conduct was to | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
furment further his own electoral interest. But it relates only to | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
lies in respect of of the perm character or conduct of a candidate | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
for the purpose of affecting that candidate's return. On that the | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
judges were left with a reasonable doubt. It has been a very difficult | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
and stressful and expensive few months for me and the rest of my | :03:00. | :03:08. | |
family. I have been cleared of the breach of Representation of the | :03:09. | :03:17. | |
People Act brought by nationalists. Nonsense, the only politically | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
inspired act, as admitted by Mr Carmichael was leaking a memo he | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
knew to be false to attack the SNP. And the petitioner thes claimed a | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
moral victory. Here is one. We have proved in court that Alistair | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
Carmichael lied to his constituents. If I had seen this in a court | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
judgement about me, I would be resigning. The court also criticised | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
Mr Carmichael's response to a leak inquiry as at best disengenerous, at | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
worst evasive and self-serving. The MP said he has been vindicated. | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
David Porter has been following developments. Including you were | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
speaking to Alistair Carmichael. Behind the mask of chipperness, is | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
he as pleased as he looks with himself. I think relief is probably | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
the first emotion that you would describe. He says on a personal | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
level this this has been stressful few months. He admits with hind | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
sight he would have done things differently. He is pleased that the | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
electical court cleared him on the essential charge that he broke | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
electoral law. If the case had gone against him, it would have been | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
curtains for his political career. There would have been a by-election | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
and he probably would have been told he could not stand. So essentially I | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
think his first emotion is one of relief. He now knows that he has to | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
rebuild the relationship with some section of his constituency in | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
Orkney and Shetland, but if it had gone the other way things would have | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
been worse for him. Do you think there are perhaps a few members down | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
there and perhaps members of Scottish Parliament breathing a bit | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
of a sigh of relief, it does establish that just because you told | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
porkers doesn't mean you get kicked out and there may be up with or two | :05:25. | :05:32. | |
ministers/MPs in Parliament who have also told porkers. I don't think | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
that would be stretching the point that some members here may have been | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
used to that phrase economic with with the actuality that was once | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
used in a court case in lontd. It was in the heat of an election | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
campaign. I think there are many MPs past ands present who would have | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
thought will perhaps in the past that some things have been said are | :05:55. | :06:02. | |
not 100% true and copper-bottomed. There was a strange dicot mrooe from | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
the emotion of what happened in the election campaign the court case and | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
the dry statement from the speaker of the House of Commons as | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
proceedings started today at the very start of business. He just | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
reported what the electoral court had found and said that that meant | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
that the result for Orkney and Shetland would stand and it would be | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
now put in the record. It was as driep as that. But -- as dry as | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
that. But many MPs will be thinking, yeah, I'm a bit glad that didn't | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
involve me and if we look with hind sight, perhaps things they have done | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
in the past they would do differently. Don't go away. We will | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
be back laterment Our guest for the laterment day | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
is the political editor What do you make of this, I'm not | :06:51. | :07:00. | |
trying to question the decision of their Lordships. I wonder whether | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
Alistair Carmichael and his supporters will playing this | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
politically well? Yes, it is a legal technicality that he has been | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
cleared on. His response to that decision today has been ill-judged. | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
This is a man who... You think his response? Yes, because he said he | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
has complained about it being a politically motivated case and it | :07:28. | :07:34. | |
was ugly. But this is a guy that has been found by the court to have | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
lied. He lied because he was trying to enhance his political reputation | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
and the reason that he hasn't been kicked out is just because it wasn't | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
the right kind of lie. Also he is a member of a political party, which | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
makes great play of how its different and it is honest and up | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
front. All political parties make that claim I suppose. I think that | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
and it is not just Alistair Carmichael, there is a press release | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
the Liberal Democrats without put quoting Tim far Ron the UK leader | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
and they're all saying something similar. Attacking the people who | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
have brought this a saying it is politically motivated. If you had a | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
judgment made against you and made against one of your MPs which is | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
very critical of the personal conduct of Alistair Carmichael, to | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
respond in that fashion is ill-judged. It would have been... It | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
seems that it is correct and I should say as a journalist people, | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
politicians leak all the time and it is difficult to leak without some | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
level of deceit. I wonder about the public mood. Maybe in the old days | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
before the House of Commons expenses scandal, but there a mood abroad | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
that politicians are the same and all tell lies. Even if it is unfair. | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
If you're a politician... If you like, I am not suggesting he should | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
have resigned, but the way they have handled it, to say it is fine, | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
because we got off on a technicality and not address the substance of the | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
issue, not just the SNP members who brought the case, but other people | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
across Britain thinking why, this is the way we want politicians not to | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
behave. I think that is correct. In this case, the legal case has been | :09:30. | :09:36. | |
brought, it had been crowd funded by Scottish nationalists, that does not | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
mean that people who are not nationalists, just members of | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
public, would like their MPs to behave in a more honest fashion. | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
Thank you. We will be back with you soon. | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
To the chamber at Holyrood now, where MSPs are debating a Labour | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
motion which advocates spending the health-related Barnett | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
consequentials created by George Osborne's Spending Review | :09:57. | :09:57. | |
? Let's go the the chamber. The impact would have been disastrous. | :09:58. | :10:14. | |
Thank you for that brevity. Now the next item of business. That is... | :10:15. | :10:22. | |
Point of order. Mr Kelly? Thank you. I rise to make a point of order in | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
relation to the statement from derick McKay Transport Minister on | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
the Forth Road Bridge. In response to a question from Alex Johnson | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
about cancellation of planned maintenance works, Mr Mackay started | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
that work that would have been covered by the cancelled maintenance | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
contract was not the fault on the bridge occurred. However in a BBC | :10:47. | :10:56. | |
interview, Mr Mackay said the work planned under the contract cancelled | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
in 2010 would have covered the area where the fault occurred on the | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
bridge. Clearly, these statements are contradictory. This is a serious | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
matter. It would appear that Mr Mackay has misled Parliament. I | :11:13. | :11:22. | |
would ask... That Mr Mackay return to Parliament before close of | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
business to correct the record and give an open and transparent | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
explanation as to the impact of planned maintenance works on the | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
Forth Road Bridge. Thank you. Clearly, Mr Mackay's statements are | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
a matter for Mr Mackay. And only for him. So therefore this is not a | :11:46. | :11:53. | |
point of order. However you have made your point. Now we move to the | :11:54. | :12:01. | |
next item of business, the debate on motion No 12509 8. Patricia | :12:02. | :12:10. | |
Ferguson? I seek your guidance as to the remedies to hold minister to | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
account for statements they make in Parliament which are contradicted by | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
statements outside this place. There must be some mechanism that allows | :12:19. | :12:26. | |
us to do that? I will reflect on what you say, and I will get back | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
later in the day to you in that regard. The next item the motion in | :12:31. | :12:46. | |
the name of Jenny Marra on health. I call on Jenny Marra to speak to and | :12:47. | :12:55. | |
move the motion. Thank you. We come to the chamber today to discuss | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
health and social care integration. While we make our speeches and | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
debate today, thousands of people across Scotland will be in their | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
homes. Having just perhaps had a visit from a carer at lunch time to | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
give them their lunch. Many will have been helped by a carer this | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
morning to get out of bed, to wash, to shower, to dress and have been | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
given their breakfast. Many of the carerses will have then done the | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
washing up, put the bin out, perhaps dealt with any family issues. Made | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
sure their charge has what he or she needs or wants for the day. Made | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
sure they're warm up that the radio or TV is on the right channel that | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
those lucky enough to receive visitors know what is happening | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
throughout the day, that the key's in the right place, that this enough | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
tea in the caddy. All the while, they are watching the clock. The | :13:55. | :14:02. | |
myriad of seemingly small but important challenges is one of the | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
reasons that health and social care integration is challenging on a | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
daily basis. Medicines are to be taken. The GP has prescribed three | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
times a day. Carers can't administer medicines, this has to be done by | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
someone else, who is that person? This is an example of day-to-day | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
challenges that makes bringing health and social care together so | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
complex and challenge and that is the reality on the ground. A window | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
into many homes across Scotland this afternoon. And it is the right thing | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
to do. Because we know that many, many old people - and they are the | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
majority of recipients of home care - they want to stay in their own | :14:53. | :15:00. | |
homes. Last week, audit Scotland published its report on health and | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
social care spe Gration. -- integration. There were some | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
challenging messages for the government. At the start in the | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
summary it noted that there is evidence to suggest that integration | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
authorities will not be in a position to make a major impact in | :15:19. | :15:28. | |
2016, 2017. The Labour motion sets out clearly today that Labour would | :15:29. | :15:38. | |
spend Barnett consequentials on health and social care integration. | :15:39. | :15:47. | |
It is plain for everyone to see that social care needs more investment if | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
it is to be successful. It is clear in Scotland and it is clear across | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
the United Kingdom and across most of western Europe. It is plain for | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
everyone to see that this need becomes more and more urgent every | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
day as our population ages and more and more people require care. The | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
Scottish government itself has estimated that the increase in the | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
need for health and social care services will rise by between 18 and | :16:18. | :16:26. | |
29% by 2030. And it is place for everyone to see -- and it is plain | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
for everyone to see that investment is about prevention. Ten years ago | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
Campbell Christy made recommendations and preventative | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
spending which this Government signed up to in opposition. But we | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
have still not seen that shift that is necessary. The Scottish | :16:46. | :17:00. | |
Government themselves estimate that 137 to 150 million could be saved. | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
It is now nearly a year since Shona Robison announced that delayed | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
discharge would be abolished by the end of the year. Now, I can't | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
criticise the cabinet Secretary for her ambition on this, but she will | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
have made this statement in full knowledge that keeping people in | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
hospital is more expensive than caring for them at home. Some | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
estimates she will know put a week's stay in hospital at nearly ?4,000. | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
And last week's audit Scotland report states in 2014, 15 NHS | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
Scotland used 625,000 bed days for patients who were already ready to | :17:48. | :17:55. | |
be discharged. It has been announced that Donald Trump has been dropped | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
from global Scot, a worldwide network who promotes Scotland. Our | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
correspondent can bring us up-to-date. Is this a devastating | :18:09. | :18:17. | |
blow to Donald Trump? Well Nicola Sturgeon dropped Mr Trump as a | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
global Scot. A press release was sent out saying his remarks about a | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
ban on Muslims coming into the United States after the gun shooting | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
in California, his remarks have shown he is no longer fit to be a | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
business ambassador for Scotland and his membership of the global Scot | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
business network should be withdrawn with immediate effect and there are | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
questions in the House of Commons today to the Chancellor, who is | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
standing in for the Prime Minister about Mr Trump and his comments. I'm | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
joined by three MSPs. Mike McKenzie, Graham Pearson and Murdo Fraser. | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
Let's start with the Trump situation. Should Mr Trump perhaps | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
not have been dropped as a global Scot plied when he made those | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
comments and Muslims. No, I'm pleased to hear he has been dropped. | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
I don't this sentiments are at all welcome. I think the First | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
Minister's done the right thing to send that message that that kind of | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
behaviour, those sentiments are not welcome and they're not appropriate | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
in Scotland and so I'm pleased she has the done that. Mr Trump is tied | :19:35. | :19:43. | |
up in Scottish life with Trump aviation at westest Prestwick | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
airport, owned by the Scottish Government. But I think the First | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
Minister's done the right thing. Those remarks are unacceptable in | :19:53. | :20:01. | |
Scotland. Graham Pearson, the press release said he was appointed a | :20:02. | :20:10. | |
global Scot in 2000 6 when Jack McConnell was First Minister. Well | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
Mr Trump has had a love/hate relationship with the Scottish | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
establishment and Mr Trump. We had the Scottish nationalists were | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
played about his golfing endeavours and his worth and then fell out | :20:24. | :20:30. | |
about wind farms. His latest pronouncements show him not fit for | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
purpose for Scottish society. I'm glad it's happened. It is long | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
overdue. It can be awkward, governments want to get big business | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
people involved and Mr Trump was involved in Scotland under Jack | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
McConnell's leadership. At that time he had a a different persona and | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
different ambitions. The last five years has not been an auspicious | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
time for Mr Trump, I'm glad we have severed our link. Money doesn't | :21:02. | :21:09. | |
bayou everything. -- doesn't buy you everything. Mohammed sheik the SNP | :21:10. | :21:20. | |
MSP asked the Chancellor whether in Mr Trump should be banned from | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
coming into the country as a hate freechest preacher -- preacher. It | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
is a dangerous territory saying we should ban people from speaking | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
their mind or we deem their views unacceptable. I think what he said | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
was unacceptable. I was etc tweeting yesterday about why he was still a | :21:41. | :21:49. | |
global Scot. I was amazed he was stiff still a global Scot after what | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
he said about Mexican people. It should have happened before now. He | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
has gone from that role. He is still a substantial investor in Scotland | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
and we need to be careful about that relationship. We remember the former | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
First Minister Alex Salmond being very cosy with Mr Trump. Perhaps in | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
the future First Ministers should be more careful about who they are | :22:14. | :22:22. | |
consievial with. -- convivial. Now the Forth Road Bridge, did the | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
Scottish Government cutback on repairs and that led to this | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
situation? ?" No the minister came to Parliament yesterday and gave a | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
comprehensive statement. He was very clear on that point. This is not a, | :22:37. | :22:44. | |
been caused by any deficiency in maintenance, it was unforeseen, it | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
is a technical matter and he invited all MSPs to attend a technical | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
briefing on Monday morning at south Queensferry to satisfy themselves | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
and to ask questions and to do so in a place that won't result in two | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
personnel being taken off the bridge and off the vital repairs. That is | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
the important thing, to get the bridge properly repaired and open | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
again as soon as possible. This was unforeseen and Labour are calling | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
for a public inquiry, but sometimes things just happen. It is a shearing | :23:19. | :23:29. | |
of metal. It It is not as simple. I know there are tens of thousands of | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
motorists want to know why this was allowed to happen. It is one of the | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
main routes in Scotland, reported this morning that five years ago an | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
issue was raised about maintaining this particular part of Britain and | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
ensurer -- part of the bridge and a decision was taken not to maintain | :23:49. | :23:55. | |
the bridge. And I know James Kelly raised a motion asking has the | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
cabinet Secretary misled Parliament and we need to be clear who made the | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
decision five years ago and why was it made and should it be made? | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
Certainly this last week it has been misery for thousands of people and | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
we need some clarity, how did we arrive at this station. -- | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
situation. Misery for many of your constituents, are the arrangements | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
enough or the people to get moving? I think, I have used the public | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
transport arrangements for the last two days. For many people they're | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
working well. For others they're not because you can't replicate a | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
journey a lot of people would have made by car. We are fortunate it is | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
happening in the run up to Christmas when people are be more flexible | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
with their work. If the closure continues until January, then we | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
have a serious problem. But we can't lose sight of an issue that has | :24:54. | :25:01. | |
arisen, Derek McKay told Parliament yesterday that the maintenance | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
programme that was cancelled in 2010 would not have have had an impact on | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
the crack that appeared. He said something different on the radio | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
today. We are getting mixed messages. That is why we have been | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
calling for an independent inquiry. I think that is essential, because | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
the Scottish government can't seem to get their story straight on what | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
has gone wrong. Well, the Scottish government can't get their story | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
straight? I don't think that is the case. The minister made a clear | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
statement yesterday to Parliament and obviously this is a changing | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
situation, more information is becoming available as the engineers | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
undertake their work. This is not political issue, but a technical | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
issue. Of course they will try and make political capital, I be this | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
should be more serious than that. It should be beyond politics. Its | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
causing disruption and inconvenience and economic loss. The minister has | :26:00. | :26:08. | |
been at pains to implement a transport plan. He is fine tuning it | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
and the information I have is traffic flows are better than | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
expected and I think we have to take the time to pay tribute to the | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
people who are working in difficult weather conditions today, wind | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
swept. These people are also working in a new bridge that is under budget | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
and on time. That is good news. No one would speak against that. The | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
reality still is we have a main route that is incapable of being | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
used. There should have been work done five years ago which would have | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
meant we could have maintained our connections as the other bridge | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
still was being built and we need to have clarity. There was a message | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
delivered yesterday and a different one today and we know where are the | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
gap and are we gets a whitewash. Do you think everything will be up and | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
running by the new year? I hope so. Because if not, we are more serious | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
problems and even the Scottish government can't give us guarantees | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
that will be the case. Thank you. Gordon with that back to you in the | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
studio. David Clegg is still with me. Now is | :27:29. | :27:43. | |
it bridge gate yet? Shall we official it bridge gate, you think | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
the government has questions to answer. I have been looking at the | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
detail of this. Yesterday in Parliament, the Transport Secretary | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
said, it refers to works that were put out in 2010 or the for tender | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
and cancelled. He said the works are not where the fault occurred. On the | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
radio today he was asked if this was the case he said, well, it would | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
have seen the replacement of that area and much more. So on the face | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
of it it does look as if there is a discrepancy between what was being | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
said in Parliament and what was said on the radio. Maybe the Government, | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
all of whom have become experts in civil engineers will be able to | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
explain it. There may be a technical explanation for it. There has been a | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
point of order raised. I am sure the Scottish Government will prepare a | :28:37. | :28:45. | |
response. It is unfortunate for the Government, because their response | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
has been good up to now and they seem to be getting alternative | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
transport arrangements done and kept people informed. But it does seem | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
there is confusion about whether they are in the frame for, well the | :29:00. | :29:06. | |
cancelling of the works in 2010 is what got us to this situation. You | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
can see the ambitions of opposition politicians, they want to say, or | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
add to this narrative that the SNP Government bang on about | :29:19. | :29:20. | |
independence, when it came to running the country they have let | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
things go to the dogs and here is another example. That will be the | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
main message of the opposition parties. If you think back to the | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
2011 election when the SNP won their majority, it wasn't anything to do | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
with independence, it was won on we are a competent government and trust | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
us to run the country well and the public thought they had done so. | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
They got a massive majority. The focus became about independence. And | :29:51. | :29:57. | |
that has led to an increase in their support but I'm not sure it has had | :29:58. | :30:06. | |
a good effect on their running. Trump was popular when he was | :30:07. | :30:13. | |
spending money. I think that was a mistake and it has taken some | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
extreme comments for civic life in Scotland to recognise this is a man | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
with some unsavoury views. Is in is the first thing that has happened | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
where somebody said to Trump that we are taking something away. Have you | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
come across any more? I'm not aware of anything. The whole presidential | :30:37. | :30:44. | |
debate in America has been dominated by Donald Trump and the views that | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
he has aired and response they're getting from some sections of the | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
American public is disturbing. I think he is not just a fun figure, | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
but could hold a very influential position and is already dominating | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
the debate. I should point out that is the American version of the | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
Apprentice and not the BBC verse. Which is beyond reproach. Now back | :31:13. | :31:20. | |
to the chamber and a debate about social care. Labour have advocated a | :31:21. | :31:33. | |
living wage for health workers. Shona Robison is responding. | :31:34. | :31:47. | |
Recognised, as are members well, don't like the difference, that is | :31:48. | :31:59. | |
why we have taken the action, to increase the rates of pay, direct | :32:00. | :32:06. | |
responsibility, and we have set the example that we would encourage | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
employers to follow. And we have done more than that, we have | :32:12. | :32:18. | |
provided ?12.5 million, as part of an arrangement with local | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
authorities and providers, what ?25 million, to improve the quality of | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
care, including making progress towards democracy. That is welcome. | :32:33. | :32:46. | |
With the integration, these care workers are going to move, tempting | :32:47. | :32:57. | |
as part of the statutory workforce? IGBs required. To commission | :32:58. | :33:09. | |
services, voices around the table, and of course we have put in place | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
guidance, loving all of the to consider the question on what | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
practices, about the human process. That is a strong lever for IGBs. The | :33:20. | :33:27. | |
Scottish Government sees the payment of the living wage, as a commitment, | :33:28. | :33:35. | |
and it is one of the ways that an employer can demonstrate it takes a | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
positive approach to the workforce. Some of the authorities, already | :33:42. | :33:49. | |
doing that. It does not stop there. I am committed to meeting for the | :33:50. | :33:58. | |
progress. Working with COSLA. Care providers across Scotland, but in | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
order to reach a common understanding about the scale of the | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
challenge, I am happy to put the information, on the costings of | :34:13. | :34:19. | |
delivering living wage, into spice, we do need the common understanding, | :34:20. | :34:26. | |
so that we can look at the challenge that we need to make. I want to use | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
the rest of the time... Two talk about my visit to Oakridge. I saw | :34:34. | :34:47. | |
progress of work, an intermediate care, and what struck me, was the | :34:48. | :34:56. | |
commitment of all the staff the leadership shown by the partnership | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
in Glasgow, improving quality of life. The staff felt motivated by | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
the work that they were doing, the police they were involved in | :35:06. | :35:14. | |
something worthwhile. -- the belief. Last November, they've recorded 106 | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
delayed discharges, and October, the number was 25 this year. The staff | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
were able to name those people, the lead in the system in Glasgow. | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
Because they are in such small numbers. That is a good achievement, | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
and we want other partnerships to deliver that. Over half of all | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
partnerships have delayed discharge, into single figures, five account | :35:45. | :35:54. | |
for 60% of the rest. I can assure Parliament, working very hard, I am | :35:55. | :36:05. | |
conscious of time... I want to address this final point about the | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
budget. On the forthcoming budget, the government has passed on every | :36:11. | :36:19. | |
penny of health course consequential, since 2009, and the | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
audit report makes it clear that the increase has happened, the federal | :36:26. | :36:33. | |
includes capital, why is she shaking her head? It is clearer that health | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
resource spending has increased. Capital spending, a different | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
matter. We know that because of the 25% decrease from the Westminster | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
government to the Scottish Government, capital spending has | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
been a challenge. But the commitment has increased, in view terms. But in | :36:56. | :37:01. | |
terms of the forthcoming budget, obviously, I cannot say much about | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
that other than Parliament can be reassured, the direction of travel | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
that I have laid out, will be continued in the decisions that we | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
meet in the forthcoming budget. I am happy to move that amendment in my | :37:16. | :37:28. | |
name. Amendment 1050.182. Thank you. Across the country, front line staff | :37:29. | :37:37. | |
in health and social care are watching to satisfy people. I am not | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
so familiar with the social care, but I am sure it is no different | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
than the NHS, and for all the years I have known them, the vast majority | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
of staff have been working with commitment, to ensure the best | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
possible outcomes. We know that many people have been working under | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
increasing pressure, as population strictures resources. Many have been | :38:02. | :38:11. | |
retiring early. Recruitment has not always been easy. We see this with | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
consultancy agencies, the difficulty of trouble attracting new trainees, | :38:17. | :38:26. | |
and the difficulty in recruiting and the continuing use of staff, to | :38:27. | :38:34. | |
cover the consist. Health boards are doing their best. At Grampian, | :38:35. | :38:41. | |
strenuous efforts have been made to solve the problem. This has resulted | :38:42. | :38:50. | |
in consultants vacancies being felt. -- filled. Overall, demand for NHS | :38:51. | :38:59. | |
services is outstripping the available resources. This system is | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
not sustainable. That has been made clearer by the auditor general. | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
To Westminster now, where there was a break | :39:12. | :39:13. | |
from the familiar routine of PMQs today. | :39:14. | :39:15. | |
The PM in question is away, on a visit to Romania, | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
as part of his ongoing quest to renegotiate the UK's | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
So it fell to the Chancellor George Osborne to speak for the Government | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
and to Labour's Shadow First Secretary of State, | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
Mr Speaker... Our hearts go out to those suffering the consequences of | :39:30. | :39:44. | |
flooding. Thousands have been affected, the priority has got to be | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
for the government to get immediate help, but one year after the 20 14th | :39:49. | :40:01. | |
once, -- 2014 floods, only 15% have received payments, this cannot | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
happen again. These people need urgent help rate now. As the | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
Chancellor going to give the house I guarantee that people will receive | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
the help that they need, quickly? I want to join her, expressing | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
sympathy of the house, to those affected by these terrible floods. | :40:21. | :40:29. | |
The rainfall that has hit Cumbria and Lancashire. We have one severe | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
flood warning in place. However has been restored to many homes, but we | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
have got to be available for these families, we continue to support the | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
immediate rescue efforts, the melancholy have deployed that. | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
Recovery, what she has been asking about, 50 million has been made | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
available to families and businesses affected, it will be administered in | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
local authorities, to avoid administrative problems that she has | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
been to. Rebuilding the infrastructure of these locations | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
are affected, we are assessing the defences, and roads. Funds are going | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
to be made available, one of the benefits of having a resilient | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
economy. Reports in the north of Scotland about plans to transport | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
dangerous nuclear material, nuclear weapons, uranium, on public roads to | :41:24. | :41:40. | |
Wick airport. What will this be used for, and of any colleagues spoken | :41:41. | :41:46. | |
with the Scottish minister about this? The transportation of these | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
nuclear materials has happened across this country, over many | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
decades. Established procedures, the Royal Marines and the police in | :41:59. | :42:06. | |
Scotland provide security, as he has specific concerns that he wants to | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
raise about the plans for the transportation, he can raise them | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
with us, but the arrangements in place, to make sure we protect. | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
Since the budget, I have asked about how he intends to meet women prove | :42:22. | :42:33. | |
they had their third child... This policy as an walkable. -- is | :42:34. | :42:41. | |
unworkable. It is perfectly reasonable to have the welfare | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
system, available to those who need for it, but fair for those who pay | :42:45. | :42:53. | |
for it. We have identified this specific case, women, subject to | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
domestic abuse and we have made changes to protect these vulnerable | :43:01. | :43:08. | |
women. The Home Secretary has banned 84 hate preachers from entering the | :43:09. | :43:18. | |
UK. Donald Trump, 85? The best way to confront the opinions with | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
somebody like .com, to engage in democratic debate, about why he is | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
profoundly wrong about the contribution of American and British | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
Muslims, that is the best way to do with that, rather than ban | :43:36. | :43:36. | |
presidential candidates. No rain dropping on you yet? That | :43:37. | :43:52. | |
has not happened yet, but are busy day at Westminster. I can introduce | :43:53. | :44:11. | |
you to the MPs. I am going to begin with you, Nicol. The issue of the | :44:12. | :44:18. | |
day for Scottish politics, the adjudication of that electoral | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
court, involving Alistair Carmichael. An end to the matter? I | :44:22. | :44:30. | |
hope that it is. It is the outcome that Alistair Carmichael has been | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
hoping for, and the constituents of Orkney and Shetland. They want to | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
get on with normal politics. It was a politically motivated court | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
action, and I think the correct decision has been reached. He can | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
get down to focusing his attention on representing the people of Orkney | :44:51. | :45:03. | |
and Shetland. He has said it was politically motivated. Do you accept | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
that? The SNP were not pushing this. This was for constituents, one of | :45:09. | :45:15. | |
them was a Green Party member. I think this leaves problems for the | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
Liberal Democrats. Alistair Carmichael has been found within the | :45:20. | :45:30. | |
remits, let off. But we have a situation, the court itself has said | :45:31. | :45:38. | |
that he told a blatant lie. Was evasive. This is hardly the language | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
that should allow them to get off free. The court has spoken? The | :45:46. | :45:53. | |
court has spoken, it is a formal committee, they have said it was a | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
case to answer, we have examined and they have said that Alistair | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
Carmichael can remain. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of poems, have | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
been thrown at this case. If it is going to create a precedent for the | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
future, who knows. It is to Alistair Carmichael to respond, if he wants | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
to but it is important for Parliament and for constituents, for | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
him to get back to doing his job. Is it correct that the courts get | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
involved, the political argument? I do not think this was a political | :46:35. | :46:43. | |
argument. As a lawyer, what Ian said is right. We observe the judgment of | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
the court. It would be wrong for politicians to make adjudications. | :46:50. | :46:56. | |
It was a political decision -- it was not a political decision, it was | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
made by the courts. Donald Trump has also been in the headlines, other | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
comments about Muslims in America. The Scottish Government has dropped | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
him as a so-called ambassador for Scotland. Correct? I would invite | :47:12. | :47:25. | |
all of us to put funds together for a spacerocket and fire him to space! | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
The comments that he made have no place in modern democracy, and | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
joking aside, the American people are going to ensure that he has no | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
place in the Washington political setup. Westminster in the space | :47:38. | :47:47. | |
business? He has been dropped as a global Scott, a former associate of | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
the former First Minister, but he is still a shareholder, to do with | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
Prestwick Airport, but these sort of comments have now please in a modern | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
democracy. America, as the Chancellor said, is the place of | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
liberty, the founding fathers would find it deplorable what he has been | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
saying. Hopefully, not just the American people, but the Republican | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
Party should reflect on the comments, taken off the list. It is | :48:20. | :48:29. | |
fuelling the flames. He has been dropped by your government, but if | :48:30. | :48:31. | |
he does have this association with Prestwick Airport, your government | :48:32. | :48:39. | |
owns that, is that correct? One of my MPs has written to the Home | :48:40. | :48:48. | |
Secretary, he has reminded that 84 hate preachers have been banned from | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
coming to the United Kingdom, he wants this case to be considered as | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
well. If he has an association with the Newport, owned by the Scottish | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
Government, they do not take action? For the moment, we have taken | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
correct action, we are only with the waiters, because they have said he | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
is not fit to stand for presidential nomination. Your opinion? Has links | :49:12. | :49:18. | |
with the Scottish Government have got to be closely examined. His | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
comments, some of the most shocking in all of my time in politics. | :49:24. | :49:30. | |
Coming from the person who wants to be leader of the democratic world. | :49:31. | :49:32. | |
It is appropriate that we looked into these issues, and strong | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
action, if possible, should be taken against him. Many topics, at the | :49:38. | :49:49. | |
moment, one of them, flooding. If we are going to get rainfall like this, | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
and flooding like this, the government is at Edinburgh and | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
London have got to do more, spend more? That is correct. Local | :49:57. | :50:03. | |
residents were promised this was going to be once in 100 years, here | :50:04. | :50:13. | |
we are, years later... The compensation that George Osborne was | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
talking about, at Prime Minister's Questions, David Talbot and was -- | :50:20. | :50:31. | |
David Cameron was overseas, it did not seem to be appropriate, remotely | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
and off to substantially tackle the issue. We have got dishes, part of | :50:35. | :50:42. | |
the problem is that you keep on saying that planning consent has | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
been given for more housing, on the flood plain. Surprise surprise, they | :50:47. | :50:55. | |
are going to be flooded. Nor one answer to this question? I do agree | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
that spending more money is going to help. The Scottish Government has | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
increased the amount to ?89 million. The defences that have been invested | :51:07. | :51:18. | |
in have held up. I know that we will be taking back their concerns. The | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
thing to remember, this was a terrible thing to happen at this | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
time of year. The people who have been affected, we want to help them, | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
and the volunteers as quickly as possible. Talks going on in Paris. | :51:32. | :51:38. | |
Presumably, this is something that transcends party politics? It does. | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
We have to think about the people affected. But we also have to think | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
we are funding and getting the infrastructure correctly. Millions | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
was put into Edinburgh, that had to come out of the budget of the | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
councils. Both governments have to put more money into those sort of | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
structures, if we are going to have this, this has been happening almost | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
every decade. That is why the party stocks are so important, -- Paris | :52:10. | :52:17. | |
talks, because Copenhagen was disappointing. One thing is for | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
certain, one of the problems we have is that government ministers, on the | :52:23. | :52:30. | |
dangers, climate change deniers. We cannot have climate change policy | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
when they do not believe the science. One more question. When | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
these things happen on your watch, your government is going to get the | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
blame? You cannot crime any government for the web. That would | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
be on there. We have to sympathise with the people of Britain, | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
particularly Scotland, who have suffered, and in answer to the | :52:54. | :52:59. | |
question you asked to Nicol, should the Scottish Government be working | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
more effectively with the British government, I think yes, we need | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
more respect, working in tandem. These are British matters, affecting | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
all of the people, when it comes to these issues. Thank you very much. | :53:13. | :53:26. | |
And thank you for being so brief on covering the subject. | :53:27. | :53:27. | |
Just time for some final thoughts from David Clegg. | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
I was thinking, listening to them, talking about Alistair Carmichael, | :53:33. | :53:38. | |
about what you had said at the beginning of the programme. Ian | :53:39. | :53:49. | |
Murray, leaping to the defence of a fellow member? Telling us it is to | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
Alistair Carmichael to decide on the morality. The Scottish National | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
Party took a different position, I am concerned this issue seems to be | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
polarising itself, I won't independence. -- around. | :54:07. | :54:18. | |
Conservatives, backing off? The court has decided, what he has got | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
was not suitable, or sufficient for him to be thrown out of Parliament. | :54:23. | :54:29. | |
Move on. But we cannot pretend the conduct was what any constituent | :54:30. | :54:31. | |
would want from the elected representative. It was not. This | :54:32. | :54:38. | |
willingness, of MPs, to somehow associate themselves with him, he's | :54:39. | :54:48. | |
a chap in trouble... If I was a Liberal Democrat, putting myself up | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
for election, I would not want to be associating myself with Alistair | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
Carmichael, whatever the result is, he has been contaminated by this, | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
not come out of it with. I would be surprised if we see in standing | :55:04. | :55:10. | |
again in 2020. He will serve out this term. But Nicol Stephen said... | :55:11. | :55:19. | |
The constituents are going to be deleted with the result. I suspect | :55:20. | :55:30. | |
that is not true. -- delighted. The Forth Bridge. Nicola Sturgeon was | :55:31. | :55:37. | |
making clay, about how she wanted to get this back open by the beginning | :55:38. | :55:47. | |
of the year? Hostage to fortune? The daily record has spoken to some | :55:48. | :55:51. | |
engineers, who have been incredulous about that. Presumably, the | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
information that Niklas Dudgeon has been getting, is going to be | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
informed, but having been so explicit, that definitely no lag... | :56:02. | :56:09. | |
It is going to be on the timetable suggested, it is going to be a | :56:10. | :56:19. | |
tricky position, if it rolls on. It is not even just engineering, at | :56:20. | :56:25. | |
this time of year, gale force winds? The timetable out of joint? It is | :56:26. | :56:35. | |
not good weather, for repealing, my limited knowledge would tell me | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
that. I am surprised, they have been so categoric. Who knows what could | :56:41. | :56:48. | |
happen? Donald Trump, we had the reaction, but more broader, | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
Republicans have been queueing up, to tell us this is awful. It was | :56:55. | :57:02. | |
such an extraordinarily comment. Extraordinary intervention. | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
Especially when you have sensitivities about the issue of | :57:08. | :57:16. | |
Islam. He was tweeting, he said he could stand as an independent. | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
Whatever you think of Donald Trump, and the comments, this would be good | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
news for Hillary Clinton? Obviously, as he stands as an independent, with | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
his profile, he will presumably have funding, a strong independent | :57:35. | :57:41. | |
candidate, you would assume that would lean him to the Republicans, | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
but Hillary Clinton could be the ultimate winner. | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
You can see First Minister's Questions tomorrow at noon, | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
and I'll be back with Sunday Politics Scotland | :57:53. | :57:54. | |
'From the industrial heart of Scotland...' Puff. | :57:55. | :58:06. | |
'..to the remotest corners of the Hebrides...' | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
'..the Clyde puffers were the workhorses of our coastal trade.' | :58:11. | :58:14. |