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Hello there and a very warm welcome to the Scottish parliament, the

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Garden Lobby here at Holyrood. Much more Brexit today, we will get the

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outline details of what will eventually become the Great Repeal

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Bill, the repatriation of EU law, bringing it back to Britain as part

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of the departure process. Of course much of that law, some of that to be

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devolved out to the territories including Scotland, a controversial

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issue. More of that later but the substance of this programme,

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questions to the First Minister, let's cross to the chamber.

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Welcome to the chamber, the presiding officer in fighting his

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guests to the chamber and this weeks proceedings, among the guests the

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Polish ambassador, we'll cross to the chamber, the First Minister is

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about to get to her seat. We turn to First Minister's Questions, Ruth

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Davidson. To ask the First Minister for engagement she has for the rest

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of the day. I will take forward the programme per Scotland. To ask the

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First Minister does she believe that Scotland's schools are staffed with

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enough teachers? The Education Secretary and I have even open about

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the recruit and challenges that are in parts of the education system.

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That's why we have been focused on making sure we are a track is the

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best and brightest people into the teaching profession, making it

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easier in partnership with the General teaching Council for

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Scotland to get teachers into the classroom and we'll continue to take

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that action. Have funded local authorities over the past number of

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years to maintain the numbers of teachers and that's the right thing

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to do as part of the overall programme of reform to make sure we

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are driving up standards and closing the gap in attainment. The simple

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and correct answer there was no, there aren't. Because here are the

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figures. Since the SNP came to the number of teachers has fallen from

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55,000 to just under 51,000, down by more than 4000. When schools need

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supply teachers to fill and they are struggling more and more. This week

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we contacted councils across Scotland to find out how the stock

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of supply teachers had fallen in recent years and here are the

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Scottish borders has been a drop of more than a third and supply

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teachers since 2011, in Edinburgh it's worse, the numbers have had, in

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Glasgow alone over the same time frame, we've lost 1000 supply

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teachers. Fewer teachers, more vacancies and fewer supply teachers

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to fill in when needed. How can the First Minister defend that? Teacher

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numbers as we had debated in this chamber many times in the past, over

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a period of years, the numbers of teachers will fluctuate in line with

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fluctuations in the number of pupils in our schools. In recent years, we

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have and this is a statement of fact, presiding Officer, we have

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wondered local authorities as pupil numbers started to rise to also

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maintain teacher numbers so we can broadly maintain the pupil teacher

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ratio as well. That is a fact. In terms of teacher recruitment

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challenges, we have in recent times opened up as I said earlier, in

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partnership with the General teaching Council for Scotland, 11

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new routes to get teachers into the classrooms to make it easier to get

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the best and brightest in the profession into classrooms doing for

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a do best. We also increased the future intake for teacher training,

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this year I think we've reduced that, increased that brother by just

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short of 400, 370, we've asked the GDC to see what more can be done to

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motivate supply teachers, we are taking a range of actions to make

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sure we have the right numbers of teachers in schools teaching our

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young people and of course that is part of the wider programme that I

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spoke about. We have taken the decision as part of the budget this

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year to get ?120 million direct Lee into the hands of headteachers so

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that they can invest in resources, the things they believe will have

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the biggest impact on raising attainment and that's more start,

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whether it teaching or specialist SAP, that's for the discretion of

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headteachers. We continue to take the action that is required to be

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taken. We will continue to focus on that. She's standing there asking

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for applause for cleaning up her own mess. This isn't a fluctuation,

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we're more than 4000 teachers down and thought we'd learned this week

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is the real cost of teacher shortages. It got rather drowned out

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by the first ministers referendum plans but education Scotland made

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clear that the recruit went Scotland we face is damaging the quality of

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education in Scotland, not just in primary school but secondary school

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too. According to the head of school leaders Scotland the shortage is

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such that headteachers are having to take on staff not because they are

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right for the job but because they are the only ones available. Does

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the First Minister think this is a decent return for ten years of SNP

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government? We have plenty of evidence of improving standards in

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schools. I can point to... The record exam passes that young people

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are achieving in our schools. I can point to the record positive

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destinations of young people leaving our schools, going into employment,

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further education or training. I can point to the beginning of the

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closing of the attainment gap although I readily recognise there

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is much more work to do. Yes we have a challenge when it comes to

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recruitment of teachers in particular areas, and that's not

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unique to Scotland but what we are doing as I set out in my previous

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answer is taking a range of actions to ensure that we meet that

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challenge. We will continue to focus on exactly that, the programme of

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reform in education, I already mentioned additional funding going

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direct to headteachers, the attainment challenge focusing on

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literacy and numerous sick, the introduction of China not everyone

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in the chamber with national assessment so that we can publish

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robust information about the performance in schools and measure

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the improvements we are taking. This is a comprehensive programme of

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reform and I and the Deputy First Minister will continue to be

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absolutely focused on delivering it. The First Minister is going through

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actions that are being taken but the Sony necessary because her

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government has been asleep at the field for the last decade. But the

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real question is about this governor's priorities. This weeks

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Tom Hunt wrote in a national newspaper, setting out some of the

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positive steps that are finally being taken, like leadership

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development for headteachers to ensure we get better leaders in

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schools and he talked up the work being done by skills development

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Scotland to link young people with employers but he finished his peace

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with this... Let me read it. Scotland faces challenges so I ask,

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is independence our biggest priority? And Sir Tom, grown if you

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like, but he's only asking the question that a lot of people want

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answered. Separation or education, which is at, first Mr? Firstly in

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terms of education, I know there are many things that Ruth Davidson

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doesn't like to acknowledge, for example, around 30% increase in

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higher passes since 2007, 90% of young people going into positive

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destinations, the improvement we see in closing the attainment gap, the

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increase in early years and childcare which is so crucial to

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closing the attainment gap, the additional resources going into the

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hands of headteachers and as she just spoke about, the extra support

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John Swinney was talking about this week to headteachers making sure we

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have the best leadership in our schools. That's come back to this

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point about who is concentrating on these matters and to add every

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opportunity tries to shoehorn in the reference to the Constitution. I

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don't know... I don't know how... Ruth Davidson spends her week, when

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she's not appearing in comedy shows or talking about independence.

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Here's just some of the things I do in an average week. ?10 million to

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support a food and ring set, signing an economic partnership agreement

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with the very, this is just the last few days, chairing a Cabinet

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kneading deciding the content of the Social Security Bill Buck continues

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work and 2018 budget plans that talks about what we are doing to

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reduce cancer waiting times. Finalising the mental health

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strategy which will be published this very day. Convening a meeting

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with the Social Security Minister to talk about our new Social Security

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agency, announcing 300 new jobs in the city of Glasgow. Talking to

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manufacturing companies about how we boost that sector of our economy,

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reviewing with the Deputy First Minister the education reform

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programme, talking to the transport Scotland and transport Minister

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about the Queensbury Crossing, I could go on but I know I'm running

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out of time. Let's focus on some of the things other ministers have been

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doing while the opposition talk about their priorities, the Health

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Secretary funding to widening access to medical schools, funding to

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increase cervical cancer screening, the Education Secretary funding for

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support for headteachers, the Public Health Minister, extending the

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family partnership, the Children's Minister, setting out plans to

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double childcare and of course last but not least, the Community

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Secretary, support for young homeless people who are having their

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housing Benefit removed by the Conservative government at

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Westminster. So I'll take no lectures, I'll take no lectures

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about the day job. It's just a pity so much of our day job is spent

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cleaning up the mess made by a Tory government! Presiding Officer, the

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First Minister talks about priorities, is she really coming

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here, I know she's had a tough week and I know it's getting worse but is

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she coming here to say after forcing a two de debate on independence,

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forcing through a referendum against the wishes of the people of

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Scotland, forcing through bad, that she will stand here and still say

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that education is her priority, where her government hasn't abated

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education on government time in this chamber since October? How does she

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answer that? No education since Labour, independence every single

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day. -- since October. The difference between this government

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and the Tories is that they debate and we deliver. 120... Let me

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tell... Let me... Let me tell Ruth Davidson what we've delivered in

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government time and with government money. ?120 million or headteachers

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to improve standards in our schools. I'll continue to allow Ruth Davidson

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and the Tories to debate with each other come out get on with

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delivering the people of Scotland! Question two, Kezia Dugdale. To ask

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the First Minister of what engagements she has planned for the

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rest of the week. More engagements to deliver for the people of

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Scotland. Kezia Dugdale. One thing the First Minister has done is

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deliver justice for the survivors of mesh. A group of women I met a few

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days ago for in whose lives have been destroyed by a medical

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procedure that was supposed to help them get better. One woman I spoke

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to camp set down without being in excruciating pain. Others have him

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paralysed. These women feared that the review into the use of mesh

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products would be a fight wash and First Minister, that's exactly what

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it is. In their own words, these women have even left dismayed, has

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gusted and betrayed. Will the First Minister take this opportunity to

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apologise to the woman who had been so badly let down? -- disgusted. I

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am deeply sorry for the suffering of these women, that are mentioned and

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many others who suffered complications because of treatment

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with mesh. As Kezia Dugdale knows, the Health Secretary will make a

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statement in the chamber this afternoon on this issue. The

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independent review which was instructed by this government to

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look into these issues was published on Monday of this week, but contains

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eight important conclusions that health boards across this country

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will now be expected to take forward. The Health Secretary has

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recently met with two of the women who have been understandably quoted

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in the media, all of McIlroy and Elaine Holmes to hear directly, in

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person, their views, she met with the women to make clear at the

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Scottish mesh survivors group views have been heard and more than that,

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as we take this work forward, we want to make sure there are views

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remain at the centre of it. The chair of the review has insured all

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evidence that formed the review was made publicly available alongside

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the report when that report was published. I am very grateful to all

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the members of the review of the considerable time and effort they

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dedicated to this really important piece of work over the past number

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of years. Health Secretary will set out in further detail this afternoon

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the actions that will now be taken to make sure these recommendations

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are implemented in full and I hope the chamber will welcome the Health

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Secretary's state and when it's made later. That is a welcome apology but

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make no mistake. There has been a cover-up and this is a national

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scandal. Whatever the Minister says this afternoon, the report has been

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compromised. Because we know the original draft report was supported

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all members the few group of the final report has lost the faith of

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those involved. And that's quite the chair, a clinical expert and the

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patient's representatives have all resigned. Even the First Minister is

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an successor as Health Secretary Alex Neil said it was totally

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unacceptable. Most importantly, countless women whose lives have

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destroyed by this, think it's a fight wash. If these women don't

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have any faith in the report, how possibly can the First Minister?

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I think there are extremely important issues involved here, as a

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matter of fact, not to underplay any of the issues involved, the cheer

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resigned for personal reasons, not for concern about the report as far

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as I am aware. I take very seriously the responsibility and I know the

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Health Secretary does as well as we move forward from the statement

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Shawna Robertson will give this afternoon to implement the

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recommendations that we do work hard to make sure we build the faith of

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those who have been affected by this and that is one of the most

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important responsibilities we have. The report, this was appointed the

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Health Secretary made very clear to establish whether the cheer of the

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review, all of the evidence has been made publicly available alongside

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the report, it is they are available for anybody to read, the

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recommendations in this report must now be taken by word and must now be

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taken forward in a way that has the confidence of the women who have

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been affected. I would ask members to wait to hear the statement that

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will be made this afternoon, they will have the opportunity rightly

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and properly to ask questions about that statement but it will set out

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clearly the steps which will now be taken to make sure that all the

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right action is taken but in a way that restores the confidence and the

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faith of the women affected. That is responsibility I take seriously with

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the Health Secretary and when that statement is made this afternoon I

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hope members across the chamber, I know they will ask searching

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questions but I hope there will be support for the actions the Health

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Secretary will set out. The women want to have faith in this process

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but they also want to see some action. Here is an e-mail from

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Sophie, she is 18 and the daughter of a survivor, Sophie e-mailed at

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half past two this morning as she cared for her mother and the e-mail

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said this will stop "I am struggling to remember my mum before Mech took

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her from me, she is not dead but a shell of the women I previously

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loved, adored and had been inspired by. You should live a day in our

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life. On the days when the pain is so bad my fiercely independent

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mother cannot even brush her own teeth. Given what she knows about

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this, if the doctor told the First Minister or someone that she loves

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that they should have this procedure would she go ahead with it? Because

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Nicola Sturgeon's answer is no or even if she isn't sure, then surely

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she must ban this devastating and dangerous practice once and for all.

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My heart goes out to the woman Kezia Dugdale has just referred to in the

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e-mail on the heart of her daughter. But secondly Kezia Dugdale rightly

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calls for action and that is what the independent review was set up to

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recommend and the Health Secretary will set out a Parliament this

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afternoon exactly that, the action which is now being taken. Actions

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like informed consent, genuinely informed consent is one of the

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issues. There has been a suspension on routine procedure is of this

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nature although there has been the ability of women have the

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information and are in pain and choose to go ahead to do so. But

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safety, informed consent, making sure there is the right guidance in

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place, these are all at the heart of the recommendations the Health

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Secretary will talk about this afternoon. I know this from my years

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spent as Health Secretary, with some exceptions even in the history of

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this Parliament, Health Secretary 's are rarely clinicians, we have to

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rely on expert clinical advice and sometimes that advice can be

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contradictory and sometimes it can be very difficult to find the right

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way forward on the basis of that. We use our best endeavours to do so and

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that is why the independent review was set up. That is why all of the

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evidence which informed the outcome of that review has been published. I

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recognise, the Health Secretary recognises that some of the women

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involved in this review have lost faith in that and it's a crucial

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part of our responsibility to restore that face laid-back faith.

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I do not expect members across the chamber to stop asking important

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questions on the heart of their constituents, I accept the

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importance of that but I hope also we can build some consensus around

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the actions which will be outlined to the chamber later this afternoon.

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Two constituency supplementary is, the first Daniel Johnson. Thank you,

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this week the development trust made a

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the sick kids is not just the hospital but a beloved institution

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for many people in Edinburgh and beyond, it's touched the lives of

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thousands including my own family. Will the First Minister give me and

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my community this submission which must be approved by ministers in the

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coming weeks will be treated carefully and seriously by the

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government. There are competing interests given that the government

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has an interest in the sale of the site but also must approve the bid

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is a ballad community interest bid, could the First Minister spell out

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the criteria and approach her government will use to assess the

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submission? I know how important these issues are when a much loved

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hospital is no longer used as a hospital in this case it is because

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we have a new sick kids hospital being built in Edinburgh but the use

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of that site and what happens to that for a community is important.

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The question that has been asked is that we as ministers make sure

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careful consideration is given for the application the member refers

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to, absolutely we will. I cannot pre-empt that consideration or that

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decision but generally and we see this through legislation, the

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community empowerment act and not just in cases like this, part of

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what we want to do is make sure communities are at the heart of

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plans for the regeneration and redevelopment of areas in their own

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areas and these principles and criteria will tell you much be used

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to judge the application. This week at the transport minister confirmed

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there had been over 700 separate deployments of temporary traffic

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lights to bring this strategically

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important road back up the standard? We don't want the use of temporary

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traffic lights where that can be avoided but I am sure all members

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and everyone listening to this will that in instances where we have for

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example roadworks or other might have been landslips or problems

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caused by weather often that's unavoidable as roads are repaired. I

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am happy to come back to the member on the detail particularly on the

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number of times temporary traffic lights have been used on that road

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but what I would agree is that we want to keep it to a minimum but

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sometimes repair work on our road system is unavoidable and it's

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necessary to make sure we have an efficient and effective road system

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across the country. Tuesday the 18th of April. Coming just a day after

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the UK Government signalled its form our intention to withdraw not only

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from the EU but the single market something even Leave campaigners

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promised would not happen and will rip away our freedom of movement and

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undermine recruitment and education, health, social care and that the

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economy, I personally find it astonishing to hear the

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Conservatives raise the issue of recruitment in public services. But

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today, today the UK Government is publishing its absurd repeal bill.

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Covering a huge areas of power which have no place being exercised by UK

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ministers. Can I ask what the First Minister's view is on the scope of

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that repeal bill Weston does she agree it must not be allowed to

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change legislation which a number of important points. He is

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absolutely right to point out that the biggest risk to recruitment in

:25:23.:25:27.

the public services right now is the one posed by the Conservatives in

:25:28.:25:31.

the form of Brexit and it's quite breathtaking hypocrisy for any

:25:32.:25:35.

conservative to stand up and talk about these issues without

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recognising the responsibility they bear. Secondly on the great repeal

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bill it's hugely important not just for this government but for this

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Parliament, one of the things which should concern everybody is the way

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in which Conservative ministers at Westminster echoed by Conservative

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Party members in this chamber choose their words so very carefully over

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this issue. They talk about not taking away any decisions that we

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already make as if we are somehow supposed to be grateful for that.

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But the issue of course around the great repeal bill is about power is

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currently with the EU, FBI to be repatriated in areas that are

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currently wholly devolved, agriculture, fishing, for example,

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where should those powers go? And other current terms of the Scotland

:26:31.:26:32.

act those powers should automatically come to this chamber

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but nobody in the UK Government and I discussed this with the Prime

:26:36.:26:39.

Minister on Monday but nobody in the Conservative benches will give that

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guarantee which leads me to suspect what the Tories are actually

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planning is a power grab on this Parliament. That will be absolutely

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unacceptable. When that happens I don't expect the Tories to back us

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up but at that point I will be looking carefully at the Labour

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benches because surely not even Labour in those circumstances could

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stay subservient to the Tories, surely even they would have to stand

:27:09.:27:18.

up for Scotland? It's not only the Scottish Government which should

:27:19.:27:22.

recognise the content being shown by the UK, it's all of this Parliament

:27:23.:27:26.

which should recognise that contempt, they have not only refused

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to discuss with ministers the timing of Article 50 or any of the other

:27:32.:27:35.

details of their plans, they have refused to come and answer questions

:27:36.:27:39.

to our parliamentary committees which would give all of us whatever

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our view on these matters the ability to ask serious questions so

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in the face, in the face of that content that has been shown to

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Scotland by the UK Government we want to put the power over

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Scotland's future back into the hands of the voters who live here.

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The UK ministers one that power for themselves, their ability to rebate

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laws without the normal checks and balances. This is the same UK

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Government which promised to write into law the permanence of this

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Parliament, the permanence of a parliament that 74% of people in

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Scotland voted to create and they abandoned that promise as well. So

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while UK ministers wish to seek for themselves that power to rewrite

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laws with the abuse of antique powers to bypass Parliament can I

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ask for the First Minister's commitment to ensure there will be

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full parliamentary scrutiny because it's not only one Parliament but all

:28:45.:28:47.

parliaments which need the ability to hold all ministers to account. I

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absolutely agree, and before we get to the usual arrogance sniggering

:28:58.:29:03.

from the Tory benches, everyone across this chamber who actually

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wants this Parliament to be respected should agree with Patrick

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because not just Scotland's but all of the devolved administrations have

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been treated with contempt by the UK Government so far in this process.

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Patrick Aryee rightly said we did not see the Article 50 letter, we

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did not know when it was going to be published, we did not know what it

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was going to say but to be fair that Prime Minister did give me an

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insight into its contents on Monday of this week, she told me and this

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is a direct quote, she told me the letter would be not detailed, not

:29:40.:29:43.

short but not blindly either. So I am grateful to her for that insight

:29:44.:29:49.

into the government is thinking. But in case anybody is thinking of

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course that this is just me as an SNP First Minister complaining about

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the UK Government people should listen to Carwyn Jones, the First

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Minister of Wales who yesterday said that in his view the devolved

:30:07.:30:09.

administrations had been treated with contempt and that it was the

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behaviour of the UK Government which was doing more than anything else to

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undermine the United Kingdom so I think it's important that everyone

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across the chamber stands up for the rights of this Parliament before we

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go any further in this process. The last point I would make which I'm

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sure the Conservatives in particular will be interested in, I have seen

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Ruth Davidson, and others, on Twitter furiously this morning

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talking about research published by John Curtis, let me point to a

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finding in this research. It asked respondents this question, what did

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they think of this statement, Scotland as a nation should not have

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to leave the EU when a majority of Scots voted to stay. A majority of

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people agreed with that statement. The fact of the matter is people do

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not want Tory Brexit, the question is what are we going to do to

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protect people from the impact of Tory Brexit.

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Supplementary questions, the first, Liam McArthur. This morning a

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damning report into victims of sexual crime was published,

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describing the service as -- that some received as unacceptable, sick

:31:40.:31:44.

epic and gaps in provision and we've fallen behind with best practice

:31:45.:31:47.

elsewhere in the UK. The report confirmed in the islands that is

:31:48.:31:53.

have to make traumatic trips to the mainland for examination, I know the

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First Minister and Justice Secretary feel that compounds the trauma they

:31:58.:32:00.

have suffered so will the First Minister give a commitment to update

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this Parliament as soon as we return from recess on the action tour

:32:05.:32:08.

government plans to take on the back of this report? Yes, I will be happy

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to ensure there is a full ministerial statement on this issue,

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I think all of us agree the consequences and impact of rate and

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sexual assault are devastating and we must do all we can to support

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victims when they supper this he must crime. -- rape. The Chief

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Medical Officer will chair a group of experts from health and justice

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to ensure health boards approve the provision of appropriate health care

:32:40.:32:43.

provision for any big who requires forensically examine and this will

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complement work that Healthcare Improvement Scotland is already

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doing to develop new national standards used by health boards,

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there'll be a consultation on the standards and it will be published

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by the end of this year. Many people talk about the importance of the

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sexual assault referral centre and that's a way of delivering this

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care, we don't think it will necessarily work for all of Scotland

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but it is vital in all of Scotland, that victims of sexual offences get

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the support they require. Liam McArthur rightly raises particular

:33:16.:33:20.

issues faced by Island communities, I know he is the MSP for Orkney but

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he'll be interested to know that NHS Shetland has a ready made a public

:33:26.:33:30.

commitment to provide an holistic approach to victims of rape and

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sexual assault and they are working to put in place the necessary

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equipment, accommodation and trained staff to ensure they can deliver on

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that and we will work with other health boards in particular and

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other Ireland health boards to make sure the same approach is taken. A

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final point which is important, many victims of this kind of crime when

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they have to undergo forensically examine a want that to be done by a

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female doctor for reasons that all of us can absolutely understand. One

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of the issues we've been trying to understand better is why more female

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doctors don't come forward to work in this area and weep in working

:34:08.:34:12.

with images education Scotland to understand that they carried out a

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survey that closed at the end of February and were working to analyse

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the responses. I recognise the report published today is not good

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enough and I have no hesitation in saying that, we have worked under

:34:26.:34:29.

way already to address the challenges and the group that has

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been announced today chaired by the Chief Medical Officer will make sure

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we take whatever further action is required. Andy Whiteman. Thank you,

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the First Minister will be aware of the excellent investigative

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reporting of David Smith and others in the Herald newspaper... Following

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a report on Monday the SLP involved in the long drink scheme, can the

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First Minister advise me whether the government is considering reforms to

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criminal or of Scotland, but would implement a crackdown on the litany

:35:12.:35:12.

of crime being perpetrated and does she agree a new offence of the

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carriers liability could be a way of holding to account individuals and

:35:16.:35:20.

firms involved in criminal activity in cases where they undertake no

:35:21.:35:24.

steps of due diligence on the identity, motives or purposes of

:35:25.:35:29.

partnerships they are responsible for creating. I thank him for

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raising this issue, let me pay tribute to the workers at the Herald

:35:34.:35:38.

for the work they've done to shine a light on some of these practices. We

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will continue to look at whether there is action we can take within

:35:42.:35:48.

our devolved powers to better tackle this issue. The issue of the

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carriers liability has been raised, per issues he will understand I

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cannot give him an answer today but I will ask the Justice Secretary to

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consider that option. As he and other members know, we are talking

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about the conduct of limit of partnerships, much of the solutions

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to the problems identified lie in the hands of the Westminster

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government, we have been pressing the Westminster government to act,

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SMP MPs have been particularly vociferous in doing so and we will

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continue to press for action there. But we will not shy away if we have

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the power to do that within our own powers and we will continue to look

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at that and I will ask the Justice Secretary to respond in detail to

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him in due course. Rhona Mackay. Thank you. Scotland has a great

:36:37.:36:40.

record in attracting investment, second only to London in recent

:36:41.:36:43.

years. Can the First Minister provide an update on inward

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investment and plans to reach out beyond our borders to attract jobs

:36:47.:36:53.

and growth to Scotland? It is really important particularly now that we

:36:54.:36:56.

give a message that Scotland is open for business. We continue to be

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considered as a prime business location for global companies

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looking for a foothold in and access to Europe. Just yesterday, I was

:37:08.:37:11.

able to visit a company in Glasgow to announce growth and expansion

:37:12.:37:16.

plans which involve more than 300 new jobs for the city. I hope

:37:17.:37:20.

everybody across this chamber would find it within themselves to welcome

:37:21.:37:27.

that. Yesterday that the Ernst Young attractiveness survey

:37:28.:37:31.

published regularly highlights recently be had a record level of

:37:32.:37:34.

investment projects in Scotland and of course for some years, we've seen

:37:35.:37:38.

that Scotland is the most successful part of the UK for inward investment

:37:39.:37:42.

outside London and the south-east. We need to work harder now to

:37:43.:37:46.

continue that success given the applications of Brexit, that's why

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we have been taking action for example, to establish investment

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hubs in Dublin, London and Berlin and next week, I'll undertake a

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series of engagements in the United States, focused on creating jobs,

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opportunities and economic links for Scotland. We'll continue to focus

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but withstanding all of the challenges we face that are not of

:38:08.:38:11.

our making in doing everything we can to bring jobs and investment

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here to Scotland. Kenneth Gibson. Thank you. To ask the First Minister

:38:16.:38:19.

for further initiatives the government will take to boost

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tourism in light of day 50 when 6% increase in attendance at Scottish

:38:26.:38:29.

visitor attractions in 2016. As the figures illustrate this has been a

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retro gear for leading visitor attractions as they again

:38:34.:38:35.

outperformed the rest of the UK in terms of growth visitor numbers. The

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success of the attractions will continue to play a vital role in

:38:41.:38:43.

making Scotland a destination of first choice from visitors from the

:38:44.:38:47.

UK and across the world and will work with those of Scotland and

:38:48.:38:51.

stakeholders to see how we can achieve the aims of the tourism

:38:52.:38:55.

strategy, delivering a greater degree of connectivity than before,

:38:56.:38:59.

through direct routes and maximising the impact of this key sector. I

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thank the First Minister. Last year was a bumper year for Scottish

:39:07.:39:09.

tourism with visitor numbers growing more than twice as fast as the rest

:39:10.:39:14.

of the UK, such attractions are vital in attracting visitors to

:39:15.:39:17.

Scotland whose expenditure serves to grow employment and a thriving

:39:18.:39:21.

tourism and hospitality sector. The ten most popular UK attractions are

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in London with the National Museum of Scotland the most visited with

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1.8 million visitors, in Ayrshire the top attraction a castle and

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country Park was 133rd. While a wide range of attractions and heritage

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Museum attractions are tracked high-quality experiences, what more

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can be done to encourage people to make Scotland a first choice

:39:44.:39:46.

destination but to visit areas such as are sure of Scotland? I

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absolutely sheer his focus on getting the benefits of tourism to

:39:54.:39:57.

all parts of our country, not just the cities or the most famous

:39:58.:40:00.

attractions and that someone born and brought up in Ayrshire I know

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there are many excellent visitor attractions including the castle.

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Scotland has so much to offer tourists, were not only steeped in

:40:10.:40:13.

history and heritage, we've got the best landscapes in the world, a huge

:40:14.:40:18.

opportunity capturing interest in marine tourism so we will continue

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to work with partners including in Ayrshire to implement for example

:40:22.:40:26.

the Marine A course. The J, first of kind in the UK and that will have

:40:27.:40:32.

particular relevance to Kenny Gibson's constituency. We work with

:40:33.:40:35.

everybody across Scotland to make sure we attract more people to come

:40:36.:40:39.

to Scotland, to spend money, to enjoy everything the country has to

:40:40.:40:44.

offer, tourism is one of the most important and successful sectors and

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we have to do everything possible to ensure it continues to be so. Jamie

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Greene. To ask the First Minister further Police Scotland plans to

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increase the number of foreign officers. The number of armed police

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officers is principally an operational decision for the Chief

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Constable who takes account of a range of factors including

:41:05.:41:07.

intelligence reports and threat and risk assessments. I spoke to the

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Chief Constable last week as I said in the chamber, after the tragic

:41:12.:41:16.

events at Westminster and he assured me he had the resources he requires

:41:17.:41:19.

to respond appropriately to that incident. That of course included

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the uplift in armed officers announced last year. Following the

:41:26.:41:30.

incident in London last week, we saw a substantial increase in the

:41:31.:41:34.

numbers of armed officers on duty here in Scotland and a confederation

:41:35.:41:38.

of resources to introduce a non-armed police presence the

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country as well. I thank the First Minister for that answer. This is

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indeed an operational matter for the police but we had very mixed

:41:48.:41:52.

messages yesterday. Police chiefs said they are already much better

:41:53.:41:55.

and don't see the need for more firearms officers. The Scottish

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Police Federation representing rank and file has said they don't have

:41:59.:42:03.

the capability right now to use armed police if required. Who

:42:04.:42:07.

doesn't First Minister think is right? We will always work to make

:42:08.:42:11.

sure the police have the resources they need. That is why in June last

:42:12.:42:17.

year, we agreed with the police although this was driven by the

:42:18.:42:19.

judgement of the Chief Constable, that there should be an increase in

:42:20.:42:23.

armed officers in Scotland 424, taking the total number to 479. In

:42:24.:42:30.

the wake of last week's incident it was possible immediately for the

:42:31.:42:34.

Chief Constable to substantially increase, I think, almost double the

:42:35.:42:39.

number of armed officers who were on duty. I and the Justice Secretary

:42:40.:42:42.

had discussions with the Chief Constable and his colleagues on a

:42:43.:42:47.

regular basis about policing in general, but given the threats we

:42:48.:42:51.

face right now in particular about the capacity and capability of

:42:52.:42:55.

police to deal with an increased risk from terrorist attacks. We will

:42:56.:42:59.

continue to do so and as part of discussions we continue to listen

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Catholic too what rank and file officers to the Scottish Police

:43:04.:43:08.

Federation tell us as well. Iain Gray. To ask the First Minister of

:43:09.:43:12.

what the Scottish Government's responses to reports that only one

:43:13.:43:15.

in 18 schools were inspected last year. Education Scotland is

:43:16.:43:20.

committed to increasing the number of and frequency of inspections, in

:43:21.:43:24.

future years, that's one reason why they've been undertaking a review of

:43:25.:43:27.

inspection approaches in consultation with schools and key

:43:28.:43:30.

stakeholders. These approaches will help support the achievement of

:43:31.:43:35.

closing the team and gap and raising the bar for all, in addition to

:43:36.:43:40.

inspections education Scotland provide support to schools, and in

:43:41.:43:45.

201516 carried out a review of every local ready and a specific

:43:46.:43:48.

inspection of the education functions. The fact is that

:43:49.:43:57.

education Scotland has not been increasing, it has been reducing the

:43:58.:44:00.

numbers of inspections and in fact, the rate is less than half of those

:44:01.:44:07.

carried out in 2007 from the SNP came to power. Does the First

:44:08.:44:13.

Minister not see that the problem is education Scotland is inspecting its

:44:14.:44:15.

own delivery of educational policy, and it's clearly in deciding to do

:44:16.:44:23.

less of that. Will she accept that the merging of the inspectorate into

:44:24.:44:27.

education Scotland was a mistake which should be reversed?

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APPLAUSE On the last point, these are matters

:44:33.:44:36.

that we are currently considering in the context of the education

:44:37.:44:39.

governance review which will report on to Parliament in due course. In

:44:40.:44:43.

terms of the trend in the last couple of years around inspections,

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in 14- fitting, there were 148... But as I said, education Scotland is

:44:55.:44:58.

reviewing its approach to inspection with a view to increasing the

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inspections but I have said I'm quite perplexed by his question. He

:45:02.:45:08.

seems to be saying fairly legitimately in some respects that

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there's not enough inspections in our schools but the reason I'm

:45:11.:45:13.

perplexed is that I remember very well the speech that his party

:45:14.:45:17.

leader made in this chamber in September 25th team, in response to

:45:18.:45:22.

me at learning the programme for government. Kezia Dugdale said this

:45:23.:45:27.

and this is a direct quote, the First Minister should immediately

:45:28.:45:29.

suspend all school inspection visits for one year. Had Labour been in

:45:30.:45:38.

power there wouldn't have been 143 inspections in our schools, there

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would have on zero inspections in our schools. Which is why I'm

:45:44.:45:45.

slightly perplexed by his question. To ask the First Minister what

:45:46.:45:56.

progress the Scottish Government has made on its commitment to reduce the

:45:57.:46:00.

number of working hours for junior doctors? The passionate campaigning

:46:01.:46:05.

of Brian Connelly following the tragic death of his daughter Lauren

:46:06.:46:09.

has already led to improvements in the hours junior doctors work.

:46:10.:46:13.

Working with the BMA and NHS we have ended the practice of junior doctors

:46:14.:46:18.

working seven nights in a row and that's a major advance and a tribute

:46:19.:46:24.

to Mr Conway's campaign. The number of hours worked by junior doctors

:46:25.:46:29.

has fallen from an average of 58 hours a week in 2004, 248 on average

:46:30.:46:34.

now. We are determined as the Health Secretary has said to go further and

:46:35.:46:39.

we are working with the BMA Scottish junior doctor committee to ensure

:46:40.:46:44.

minimum rest periods following night shifts and improvement to facilities

:46:45.:46:47.

whilst we work towards what remains the goal of 48 hour maximum week for

:46:48.:46:53.

junior doctors. I am pleased the first Mr raises the heroic effort of

:46:54.:46:57.

Brian Connelly who lost his daughter just before she was 24 as she was

:46:58.:47:02.

driving home after working as a junior doctor. I want to be directly

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from the letter to the Health Secretary just this week and I

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quote, you have broken your commitment to implement an actual

:47:10.:47:13.

working week of 48 hours with no averaging as you promised to me in

:47:14.:47:18.

writing. Doctors are still being scheduled to work 12 days in a row,

:47:19.:47:23.

some working over 117 hours between days off. You're caught to the Times

:47:24.:47:28.

in response is yet further evidence of your failure to treat this issue

:47:29.:47:32.

with the seriousness and urgency it deserves. Mr Connelly goes on, you

:47:33.:47:40.

blithely confirm that all junior doctor rotors in Scotland fully

:47:41.:47:42.

comply with the working time directive knowing full well that any

:47:43.:47:46.

compliance with the directive is only being achieved by a combination

:47:47.:47:50.

of averaging and the continuing failure to record actual working

:47:51.:47:55.

hours. He adds, sound bites for the press are no substitute for action

:47:56.:48:01.

and are a poor camouflage for the leadership required to tackle this

:48:02.:48:05.

national scandal. The excessive working hours cannot be justified,

:48:06.:48:09.

they are inherently dangerous and must change and change soon before

:48:10.:48:14.

there are even more deaths. The responsibility for it affecting the

:48:15.:48:18.

necessary change rests firmly upon your government 's shoulders so I

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ask the First Minister directly will she instruct the Health Secretary to

:48:25.:48:27.

apologise to Mr Connelly and get to grips with this scandal? Nothing I

:48:28.:48:39.

can say in this chamber will ever satisfy but I hope I can reassure Mr

:48:40.:48:45.

Connelly because he has campaigned on this issue and I think can take

:48:46.:48:50.

great credit from some of the improvements we have already made,

:48:51.:48:53.

when the Health Secretary wrote to Mr Conway in 2015 after she met him

:48:54.:48:58.

she said I believe we can commit to this which is the 48-hour maximum

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working week as the longer term aim but as I said I wish to be in a

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position to make this commitment within a form and achievable

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timescale and that remains our position. The later letter simply

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recognise that in order to deliver that we have to work with the BMA

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and the junior doctors committee and it would be worth, mentioning the

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times, it would be worth reading a letter in The Times two days ago

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from the junior doctors committee when it said it is vital for patient

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safety that rotors are well-designed and adequately staffed however

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rather than just focusing on working hours in one week and more effective

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way is to address specific risk areas. All we are saying is we are

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working with the junior doctors committee to work out how best we

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deliver the commitment we have. That commitment, to put it beyond any

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doubt as to work towards a maximum 48 hour week, that is what Mr

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Connelly wants us to do and along the way I would say thank you in

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great part to Mr Connelly we have already made a number of

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improvements, the end to junior doctors being rostered to work seven

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nights in a row was one of the LA demands made. It also is reducing

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the average hours from 58, down to 48. Progress has been made thanks in

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large part to Mr Connelly and I want to assure him today and the Health

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Secretary will be happy to meet with him again but I want to assure him

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today that we remain committed working with dollars to delivering

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that maximum 48-hour week. -- working with doctors. Thank you,

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that concludes First Minister's Questions. Closing with a

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substantial discussion about the health service and it was a health

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issue which was very prominent indeed earlier on during the

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exchanges, the question of implants, let's talk about that, I enjoyed by

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my journalistic colleagues, Simon, when I First Minister is addressing

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questions, if it is a generic issue or it's a vague topic of policy is

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one thing, but we are dealing here with women in pain and it was very

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powerfully raised by Kezia Dugdale and difficult for the First Minister

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to answer. It's never a good look for a government to have a scandal

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of any kind and then there is an enquiry and the victims call it a

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whitewash. The question and doubt it. They say things have been

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removed and it has been rewritten and then when you have the Education

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Secretary who ordered the enquiry still questioning it is a whitewash

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its a big problem. The Health Secretary. Yes, Kezia Dugdale did a

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good job addressing that aspect of it and making it personal, raising

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the case of the individual whose mother was suffering from this and

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it was extremely effective. The answer given was that all the

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information given to the enquiry has been published and was urging

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members to wait for the statement we expect this afternoon from the

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current Health Secretary. That's right, we will hear a statement this

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afternoon about what the government's response will be to the

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review. I agree it was very question from Kezia Dugdale, she is often on

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solid ground taking up these personal stories. This woman was

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often in terrible pain who could not be moved by her experience. Her

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daughter was saying she can hardly get out of bed to brush her teeth.

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It's obviously a very important issue which the government will need

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to do something about. And she personalised it again. Yes, asking

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if you, Nicola Sturgeon, would advise a relative to have this

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procedure. Yes, I think the first Mr was put on the spot there. Let's

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move to the questions initially raised by Ruth Davidson, on the

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subject of education, fewer teachers, she keeps returning to

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that point. I think the Tories think it's a rich seam, the Scottish

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Government's record on domestic issues is suffering somewhat both on

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education and the health service and other areas. I would expect them to

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focus on these issues, accused the Scottish Government of forgetting

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about the bread-and-butter stuff what they go after independence.

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They expect to enjoy. Nicola Sturgeon says it's not me that talks

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about independence, it is you talking about it endlessly. She did

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have a point we have to spend two and a bit days debating it, huge

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publicity around the boat and now we are expecting a big campaign from

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Nicola Sturgeon to try to force the Prime Minister to back down over the

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timing. The First Minister has just joined us for a photocall connected

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to I think Maggie 's cancer care centres, let's talk about the First

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Minister and the challenge on schools, the implicit challenge was

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you are neglecting the day job and she then read out her diary.

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Exactly, this is the old mantra, get back to the day job, education comes

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up usually from the Tories, sometimes Labour. But the First

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Minister was ready. She knew it was coming up, it always does. She had a

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good response, she said they are going to introduce a policy Tories

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support as well as introducing reforms. Patrick Harvie came back on

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the issue well later on, raising the issue that this is a convenient area

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for the Tories to divert attention away from the disaster they are

:54:58.:55:01.

responsible for which is Brexit. Sticking with Ruth Davidson, she

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mentioned because logician once but I think she got away with it. She

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turned a question about schools into a question about the constitution.

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They want to touch on the independence dying but they want to

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put Nicola Sturgeon under pressure on the bread-and-butter stuff, the

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problem with the defence on this is that she is saying we are trying to

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do this and that, you have been in power for ten years but at what has

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happened on your watch so it's quite an effective line of attack. The

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question arising out of the Brexit debate, coming most explicitly as

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the Brexit Minister goes by, it came most explicitly during the exchanges

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with Patrick Harvie, he was going hard on Article 50. Absolutely, it

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was such a huge day, we saw the letter going in, we saw an immediate

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hard push back from Europe on certain aspects, Angela Merkel in

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the timetable, now we have seen the great repeal bill today which will

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be an amount of work for this place, I have heard from certain place that

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displays could be sitting until midnight to deal with the

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legislation. That is not family friendly. On the great repeal bill,

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Patrick Harvie called it a absurd, is it? It will be challenging, it

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will take a long time to sift through, it's the process of

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bringing EU law back into British law and then there will be

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negotiations about what powers lied at Westminster or are devolved

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Scotland but I thought Nicola Sturgeon came back very strongly on

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this whole constitutional issue and the contempt with which I suppose

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the devolved parliaments have been held. She was not told, she was not

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given advanced warning of the letter and I think the other points was

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this meeting with Theresa May on Monday and Theresa May said the

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letter will not be detailed, won't be short but will not be lengthy

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either so I think that's another issue which will go down as now is

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not the time. On the subject of Article 50 and the great repeal

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bill, the devolved powers returning to Scotland? Getting the sense of

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what the Prime Minister said, I think she will create a UK wide

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framework and then devolved delivery and have flexibility, allow this

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place to have flexibility. Nicola Sturgeon called it a power grab. It

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is and it isn't, these powers are held by Brussels at the moment. The

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problem is if you have two separate systems, you create internal borders

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and it makes it harder for the UK Government to do trade deals if you

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have two separate systems so I think a bit like Social Security is

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heading now, we will get deep devolved flexibility but an overall

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UK wide framework. I would see it as a very dangerous risk of power grab.

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The Prime Minister in her speech to the Tory party conference said she

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wanted to keep areas such as agriculture coming back in devolved

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areas back at Westminster rather than devolved. There is no reason

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the Scottish Government and UK Government could not work on making

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sure that there is uniform regulation across the two areas.

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Thank you both for joining me. The photocall goes on in the background,

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the First Minister has departed, more on Brexit later today, much

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more, watch it on the BBC but from Holyrood, goodbye.

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