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'S hello there. A very warm welcome to the Scottish parliament here at | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
Holyrood. They are back for the start of the new term. Will it be | :00:24. | :00:32. | |
domestic issues set out in the Scottish Government programme | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
outlined earlier this week? Legs crossed to the chamber and my | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
colleague. We return to First Minister's | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Questions. Questionable one. Thank you, | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
presiding officer. Can I take this opportunity to congratulate Team GB | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
on their success at the Olympics and which the Paralympics the same | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
success. Also to ask the First Minister what she has planned for | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
the rest of the day. Let me also take the opportunity to | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
say a warm congratulations to Team GB on their stunning success but | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
also to wish all of our Paralympians all of the success in Rio. The | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
chamber will agree they are an inspiration to all of us and they do | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
us proud. Later today I will have engagements to take forward the | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
government 's programme for Scotland. | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
Can I ask liver administered to spell out why the public will be | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
made safer as a result of the Scottish Government breaking up the | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
British Transport Police and absorbing it into Police Scotland? | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
Scotland is being made safer by the decisions of the Scottish Government | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
and more importantly by the actions of our police officers the length | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
and breadth of the country. We have a situation in Scotland where crime | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
is that a 41 year low and I think that is a credit to the police | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
officers working in every community across Scotland. As Ruth Davidson | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
knows, responsibility for the British Transport Police is being | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
devolved to the Scottish Government and given that we have created | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
Police Scotland and insured and efficient running police service, I | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
think there is a strong case to also include British Transport Police | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
within that framework while allowing them to continue to provide their | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
specialist functions. This will be subject to legislation in this | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
Parliament as I announced on Tuesday and I'm sure all members will want | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
to participate in scrutiny of that. Similar to the programme of | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
government on Tuesday, not a word on either why or how it would improve | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
safety with the change. I think I know why. Since the Scottish | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
Government first outlined its plans, I've received a series of e-mails | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
from some of the 300 serving British Transport Police officers in | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Scotland and let me tell the first officer what some of them say -- the | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
First Minister. If this goes ahead, the effect on policing services | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
would be horrific. We are a specialist force for a reason. | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
Cross-border crimes were potentially become unmanageable. Another officer | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
was 17 years experience said, like many others imposed on us, this is a | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
ludicrous idea with no consultation on those of us doing the job in | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
hand. Another was 24 years service, I cannot understand how this | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
decision can possibly be made without full consultation of the | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
travelling public or even Police Scotland. The British Transport | :03:25. | :03:26. | |
Police Federation said this week this change could leave the whole | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
network unguarded. First Minister, why are the Federation wrong and why | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
are serving police officers who keep us safe on the railways also wrong? | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
We will fully consult and listen to all views. Let me quote the British | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
Transport Police Federation just before this Parliament into summer | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
recess, "We are fully involved in the consultation process". In a blog | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
in August last month, the Federation chair and said, and again, I am | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
quoting, "It is fair to say we are achieving a healthy working | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
relationship with the Scottish Government". Those are the views of | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
the Federation and I'm sure there will be a range of views across the | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
British Transport Police and the wider public about the right course | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
of action to take and we will consider that carefully. Let me | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
direct clearly the issue in Ruth Davidson's first question. | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
Integration will enhance railway policing through giving them direct | :04:28. | :04:34. | |
access to the National resources of Police Scotland while ensuring they | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
continue to carry on their specialist railway policing function | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
and retain the expertise and capacity they already have but | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
within the broader structure of Police Scotland. I think that is the | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
right step to take but as we develop the legislation that comes report | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
this Parliament, all members will have the opportunity to contribute | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
and I'm sure many members of the public as well as members of the | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
British Transport Police will take opportunities to contribute as well. | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
She has only consulted on how to carry out the takeover, not whether | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
it is right to do so. The First Minister should know that the | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
British Transport Police themselves have laid out to other more | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
practical options that are still consistent consistent with the Smith | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
commission. People might accept the reforms if the British Transport | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
Police were failing but the opposite is true. APG 3% of passengers say | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
they are satisfied with the -- 83% of passengers say they are | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
satisfied. Crime on our Railways has halved. Why is the Scottish | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
Government imposing a reform that the system doesn't need to be | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
tampered with? I think I have set out clearly the | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
reasons I think this is the right thing to do. Why is this decision on | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
the table now? Because of the devolution of responsibility for the | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
British Transport Police. As Ruth Davidson rightly said, that the | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
cross-party consensus within the Smith commission. Specialist railway | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
policing expertise and capacity will be maintained and protected, | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
allowing the British Transport Police to continue to deliver the | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
excellent standard of service that Ruth Davidson has just said they | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
deliver and crime on our Railways, just like crime generally is falling | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
and is some of its lowest levels. By integrating the British Transport | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
Police within the wider Police Scotland structure, we give the | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
transport police access to the specialist and national resource | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
that Police Scotland have access to dot | :06:34. | :06:47. | |
that to me to be a common-sense way of proceeding. Perhaps it is so | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
common sense that is why it eludes the Conservative Party. As we go | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
forward, presiding officer, we will continue to engage with the British | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
transport Federation and I would remind Ruth Davidson they appear to | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
think they have a good relationship with the government. We continue to | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
talk and engage with them. I think that is the right way to go forward | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
and all members of this Parliament will have the right to contribute in | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
the legislative process as normal. The shortened version of that is the | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
First Minister thinks she knows better than police officers. But the | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
fact is... It is hard to escape the conclusion that when it comes to the | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
Scottish Government, good practice days second fiddle to shoddy | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
politics. The transport Police Federation doesn't want this. Rank | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
and file officers on our Railways don't want this and the public sees | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
absolutely no need to change. Just as with the single police force, the | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
SNP government wants to grab more control and run this through | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
regardless. Last week the Scottish Government unveiled a massive | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
listening exercise but they are turning a deaf ear to the police. | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
Her government has made enough mistakes when it comes to police | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
reform. Why not listen to those trying to stop you make another? | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
Firstly, this is a government that has protected 1000 extra police | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
officers on the streets while across the border, they have decimated the | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
numbers on the street in England. Because of the dedication of our | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
police officers, crime in this country is at a 41 year low and I | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
think we need to give credit to our police officers. We are always told | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
by Ruth Davidson that the Tories are going to be a strong opposition and | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
we haven't seen evidence of it yet. Then she comes to this Parliament | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
and suggests this government can just run through registration. She | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
is always telling us we are a minority government so if we want to | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
get it through we have to persuade people of the case. That is what we | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
will seek to do and instead of coming to this chamber today and | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
indulging in shoddy politics, perhaps Ruth Davidson can contribute | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
constructively to the process when it gets underway! | :08:54. | :09:02. | |
Question number two. Kezia Dugdale. To ask the First Minister when she | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
will next meet the Prime Minister. I will be speaking to the | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
pro-Minister regularly as we continue to discuss the allegations | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
of Brexit for Scotland and the UK. Today we woke up to the news that | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
900 Scottish children had found child lying in the last year | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
contemplating suicide. That follows official figures showing waiting | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
time targets for adolescent and mental health services were being | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
missed. How many children and young people have waited more 52 weeks for | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
treatment since the start of last year? | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
There have been several hundred young people waiting more than 52 | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
weeks and that is far too many. One waiting that long is far too many. | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
This is one of the important issues we have to deal with, not just as a | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
government but also as a society in the years ahead. Demand for child | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
and adolescent mental health services has increased by more than | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
30% in the last two years. Actually I take the view that is a positive | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
development. It doesn't sound like it but it does mean the stigma | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
associated with mental health is decreasing and more people, in | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
particular more young people are feeling able to come forward for | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
help. Indies, the figure that Kezia Dugdale has quoted today from child | :10:28. | :10:40. | |
lying are shocking figures -- two. That does mean that responsibility | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
is on as to make sure that in the face of that rising demand we are | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
building services to cope with that demand. We have increased funding | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
and resources and we plan to further increase that funding and resources | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
over the life of this Parliament. Kezia Dugdale. Thank the First | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
Minister dot in the summer Labour revealed that 460 young Scots had | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
waited over the year for the treatment they desperately needed. | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
This weeks figure has seen that rise to 608. That is utterly shameful and | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
nothing short of a national scandal. But it is also just the tip of the | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
iceberg. Because since January last year, more than 9000 Scottish | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
children have been referred to mental health treatment only to have | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
that referral rejected or denied. And we don't know why. I'm sorry, | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
First Minister, I don't consider that a positive development. | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
Thousands of children seeking help have been turned away and if she | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
can't explain it, will she task Health Secretary to commence a | :11:50. | :11:51. | |
review? I will ask the Health Secretary to | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
look into that. Of course they will be a number of clinical reasons why | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
those referred are not given but that doesn't mean there will not be | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
underlying reasons as well. I absolutely agree that the numbers of | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
young people waiting too long to access services is not good enough, | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
which is why I am absolutely committed, as we have been over the | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
last few years, building up services. Since this government took | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
office, investment in mental health services by the NHS has increased by | :12:21. | :12:29. | |
almost 40%. The number of psychology posts has almost doubled in the | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
period we have been in office for children and adolescents and we are | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
one of the first countries in the whole world that set a target for | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
access for children and adolescents to mental health services. I am | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
readily acknowledging there is more work to do. That is why we set out | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
in the manifesto and the spending commitments we set out for the | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
health service in the manifesto, we outstripped those set out by Labour | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
in their manifesto. As part of that we have committed to bringing | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
forward a new mental health strategy and backing that by an additional | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
?150 million of resources over this Parliament. So I do not deny and I | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
do not take issue with Kezia Dugdale over the importance of this issue | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
but I hope she will acknowledge the significant extra investment and the | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
significant planned extra investment as well. | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
Can I say to the First Minister the IST report says it exactly | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
clinicians making these referrals, just to suggest it is a clinical | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
decision to reject these referrals is a weak argument and I would ask | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
her to look at it again. I would welcome that ?150 million | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
investment. The Labour manifesto in May propose guaranteed access to a | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
qualified counsellor for every high school in Scotland. It would cost ?8 | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
million. A fraction of what she has committed to spending and it is | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
exactly the type of early intervention the First Minister | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
tells us she supports. Given we are the only country in the UK without a | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
national strategy for school-based counselling, can I ask today to | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
seriously examine Labour's proposals we are publishing? If these figures | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
today don't move the First Minister to ask, can I ask her what will? | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
I think the last part of the question from Kezia Dugdale was | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
unfair. I think there is not a single person in this chamber who is | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
not moved by any young person coming forward, seeking help for mental | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
health issues and to suggest the government is not serious in its | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
attempt about tackling this, I don't think it's a fair comments. I would | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
consider all and any suggestions anyone wants to make. If Kezia | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
Dugdale wants to send the proposal, I will ensure the Health Secretary | :14:40. | :14:48. | |
considers them. One of the things being considered as part of our plan | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
for a new mental health strategy is a link worker in GP 's surgeries as | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
well as schools. That is already under active consideration. It is | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
under active consideration by Maureen Watt, who is the dedicated | :14:58. | :15:06. | |
mental health officer that I elected after the election. We are building | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
up to cope with increased demand but I would say to people across the | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
chamber to recognise the context in which we are talking about this. | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
This is not about resources having been reduced. Resources have | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
increased substantially. The number of people working in this area has | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
increased substantially. I mentioned psychology posts. The number of | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
mental health officers working in Scotland is a local authority issue. | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
Because demand is increasing significantly as well, we have to do | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
more and that is why we have the plans we have in place to do more in | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
terms of the strategy and the resources that back it. | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
A local supplementary from Oliver Mondale. | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
To ask the First Minister what action the Scottish Government is | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
taking to help avoid 140 potential job losses in engineering in my | :15:59. | :16:07. | |
constituency which last week entered into Administration? An issue that | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
would guarantee Scottish enterprise would pull out all of the stops and | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
give future financial support in order to help assist the | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
administrator in finding a suitable buyer? | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
Scottish enterprise is already doing that. I was disappointed to hear | :16:24. | :16:31. | |
that the company had entered administration, putting jobs at | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
risk. This will be a difficult time for those affected and their | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
families as well as for the local area. Scottish enterprise is working | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
with the administrators to help them find a buyer for the business and | :16:44. | :16:50. | |
retain as many jobs as possible. Of course, our organisation is engaged | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
as well, providing support to those who may be faced with redundancy. | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
They have contacted the company to offer support in the event that | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
redundancies do proceed. But Scottish enterprise is working with | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
the administrators to avoid redundancies taking place. Another | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
local supplementary from Sandra White. Can I ask the First Minister | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
what action the Scottish Government proposes to take in light of recent | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
revelations regarding the investigation into the tragedy? I | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
was concerned to read the revelations that Sandra White talks | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
about. My thoughts and the thoughts of everybody in the chamber continue | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
to be with the family and friends of all those who were killed and | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
injured in that tragedy. Following the publication of the AAIB report | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
into the tragedy, the Crown Office is conducting further investigations | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
into some of the issues raised by that report. A fatal accident | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
inquiry will also be held as soon as possible. It is right that all of | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
the evidence can be tested in a public setting and then be the | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
subject of a judicial determination. The Crown will keep families | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
informed on their progress. Given the scale of this tragedy and the | :18:11. | :18:19. | |
impact it has had, it is vital that the families get the answers they | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
deserve. Question number three, Patrick Harvie. When will the | :18:25. | :18:36. | |
Cabinet next meet? Tuesday. I was disappointed that the First | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
Minister's colleagues at Westminster were unsuccessful in persuading the | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
UK Government to take action on the scandal surrounding Scottish limited | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
partnerships. Legal entities, which are openly marketed as tax avoidance | :18:48. | :18:51. | |
vehicles, and which have been associated also with corruption and | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
money-laundering. This is a scandal which the Greens first raised last | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
year in the chamber and since then, there has been growing attention to | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
it, including investigative journalism by the Herald and now a | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
campaign from Oxfam in Scotland, who are calling on all politicians to | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
back their statement against tax avoidance in general and calling for | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
action on Scottish limited partnerships in particular. The | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
Scottish Greens support that statement. Will the First Minister | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
give her back into it as well? Yes, I certainly support those | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
sentiments. I was also disappointed that the debate sparked by SNP MPs | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
in the House of Commons did not result in the action that Patrick | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
Harvie and I would have wanted. I was disappointed that the | :19:39. | :19:39. | |
Conservatives voted against that amendment. It doesn't sit well with | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
the new Prime Minister's stated commitment to taking on the | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
unethical practices of some big businesses. So we need to be firm in | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
saying that companies should pay the tax they are due, because those | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
taxes are what fund the public services we all rely on. This is a | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
reserved issue, but SNP MPs in the House of Commons and the Scottish | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
Government, to the extent that we are able to, will continue to press | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
for action in this area. I am glad to hear that, and I hope the | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
Scottish Government will be vociferous in rattling the cages the | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
UK Government on this matter. I know my colleague is in correspondence | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
with ministers about this, and I hope every opportunity will be taken | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
to use devolved responsibilities where they connect with the issue of | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
tax avoidance. I have also called for the Scottish Government to | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
restrict the availability of taxpayer funded support to | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
businesses which indulge in tax avoidance, for example by using tax | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
havens. Given that the First Minister has this week announced a | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
new half billion pound fund to provide loans and guarantees to | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
companies, surely we have a right to expect that such taxpayer funded or | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
taxpayer guaranteed schemes are not available to the corporate | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
kleptomaniacs who indulge in tax avoidance. Can the First Minister | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
give us a guarantee that such taxpayer funded and government | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
provided support schemes will not be available to tax dodgers? I was in | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
the chamber the other day when Keith Brown answered a question on this | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
point, I think from Patrick Harvie, although I could be wrong, where he | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
said of course this is an issue we take account of in any schemes we | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
are responsible for. The growth scheme is designed to help small and | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
medium-sized enterprises, particularly those emerging newly | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
into the emerging markets. We will continue to press the UK Government | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
to take action on the issue that Patrick Harvie races, as well as the | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
actions I have spoken about on the part of SNP MPs. The finance | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
secretary Richard to Greg Clark, the Secretary of State for business, | :21:56. | :22:02. | |
last month to ask that the SLP be included in the register of people | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
with control as part of the small enterprise employment act of 2015. | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
We will continue to press the UK Government to take action where they | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
have responsibility, and where we have responsibility, we will act | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
accordingly. The last point, which has been made in the chamber many | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
times before, is that where we do have tax responsibility, we have put | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
in place of the toughest anti-tax avoidance measures of anywhere the | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
world. STUDIO: Something new next, topical questions which the First | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
Minister has not seen. Last week, Ruth Davidson's office issued a | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
comment on the former MP, questioning his right to comment due | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
to the fact that he was an EU citizen. But rather than apologise | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
over this offensive remark, Ruth Davidson first asked her spin doctor | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
to apologise and when pushed, she lost that issued a contemptuous, | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
sarcastic response which in no way acknowledges the seriousness of the | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
issue. Does the First Minister agree with me that in the intense | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
political climate caused by the EU referendum, all politicians have a | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
duty to lead by example and set the right tone for political debate, and | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
that Ruth Davidson should issue a personal apology without further | :23:18. | :23:29. | |
delay? Actually, I saw Ruth Davidson laughed when that question was being | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
asked, but this is a serious issue. The remarks made about Christian | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
from Ruth Davidson's office suggesting that an EU citizen, even | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
though they live here, does not deserve a say about the community | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
they live in, I think are unacceptable. In the current | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
climate, political leaders do have a responsibility to help set the tone. | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
We heard this week that the Home Secretary has had to assure the | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
Polish government that they were taking seriously the concerns about | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
hate crimes committed towards Polish citizens in the UK. How much are | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
these efforts undermined when the leader of the Conservatives in | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
Scotland so casually dismisses what are completely unacceptable remarks | :24:08. | :24:18. | |
about EU citizens? I think it's another day passes when Ruth | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
Davidson fails to offer a full retraction and an unreserved apology | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
for the remarks made from her office, the people of Scotland will | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
be rightly entitled to question the character of the Conservative Party. | :24:26. | :24:36. | |
Murdo Fraser. During the parliamentary recess, we saw the | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
publication of the figures, which demonstrated that there is a union | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
dividend worth ?1600 for every man, woman and child in Scotland, | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
equating to more than ?7,000 for a family of four in one year. The | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
First Minister claims to be concerned about the impact of | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
austerity. Why would she impose this super austerity on Scottish families | :25:02. | :25:09. | |
by taking this money away from them? I know the Conservatives are | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
desperate to talk about anything right now except the uncertainty | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
that they have visited on the Scottish economy in the form of | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
Brexit. It is the Conservatives' reckless gamble over the EU | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
referendum that has taken us to the exit door of the EU against our | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
will, and it is the Conservatives' inability to answer questions about | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
what Brexit might look like that is causing so much uncertainty for the | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
Scottish economy. So I think it's about time, instead of | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
scaremongering about other things, that we got some answers from the | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
Conservative Party. Maybe the Scottish Conservative Party can | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
answer the question Theresa May couldn't answer yesterday. Should we | :25:47. | :25:55. | |
be in the single market, yes or no? Earlier this week, the First | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
Minister am in her legislative programme, referred to the | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
development of a strategic action plan reflecting the significant | :26:06. | :26:07. | |
possibilities in terms of oil and gas decommissioning that would | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
require facilities around the country. She may be aware that in my | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
own constituency, it is under consideration for the development of | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
such proposals. Drawing on the deep water harbour and the proximity to | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
the North Sea, which WWF have said makes environmental sense, can she | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
give an assurance to me and my constituents that developing the | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
strategic action plan, Scottish enterprise will fully reflect the | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
skills, resources and opportunities for development of those facilities | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
in that action plan? Yes, I am delighted to give that assurance. I | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
will ask the chief executive of Scottish enterprise to arrange a | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
meeting between relevant officials there and Liam McArthur in order | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
that the valid points he has raised are incorporated in that action | :26:53. | :27:00. | |
plan. I wanted to ask the First Minister whether the Scottish | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
Government will provide an update following the first meeting of the | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
International Council of Education Advisers. The first meeting of the | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
International Council of Education Advisers was very successful and | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
also helpful. The advisers were able to share their experience of working | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
in education systems around the world. The discussion was | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
wide-ranging, but it had a focus on excellence and equity for all | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
children. Going forward, the council will look at capacity building, | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
collaboration and closing the equity gap, and it will meet again in | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
plenary session in February. Teachers in the 21st century need to | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
be critically informed, with professional values, knowledge and | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
actions that ensure a positive impact on learners and learning. Not | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
my words, but those of the General teaching body for Scotland. Does the | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
First Minister agree with me that head teachers and local authorities | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
must work collaboratively in planning appropriate professional | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
learning opportunities for all staff, thereby ensuring that | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
teachers can engage with educational research to develop teaching | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
practice and thus contribute to closing the attainment gap? Yes, I | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
agree. Injury that our teachers have opportunities for professional | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
development is central to giving children the best quality education | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
possible. That is why this year, we are investing ?1 million in Masters | :28:22. | :28:30. | |
level training for teachers. I agree that learning opportunities are | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
important and leadership will feature strongly in the national | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
improvement framework. It already does feature strongly in the | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
framework published by the Deputy First Minister in June. This was one | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
of the key themes of the discussions at the council last week, the | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
importance of supporting teachers to develop professionally as much as | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
possible. Could the First Minister confirm whether her international | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
panel of experts has provided the evidence that shows that there is a | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
strong link between educational attainment rising and greater school | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
autonomy? The council met for the first time last week. We are asking | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
it to advise us and give the benefit of its opinion on a range of issues. | :29:17. | :29:23. | |
But there is evidence about the link between school attainment and the | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
amount of autonomy that individual headteachers have. That is why in | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
the governance review that John Sweeney will published next week, | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
one of the key themes which we will then consult upon is how we empower | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
head teachers and give them more responsibility so that they are able | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
to drive the improvement we need to seek. Our Council of education | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
advisers will advise us on the best ways of doing that as we go forward. | :29:50. | :29:56. | |
But that link is one we have already accepted in formulating a plan so | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
far. It emerged this week that the only educational advice underpinning | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
the Scottish Government's national standardised assessments amounted to | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
four e-mails from two educationalists, and that most of | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
their advice was not in fact taken. So even at this late stage, will the | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
First Minister undertake to ask the International Council to examine and | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
advise on this central policy? The Council advise us on all of these | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
issues and it will do so on an ongoing basis. The last time I | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
looked, although the way things change in labour, I could have | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
missed something, the last time I looked, Labour were supporting the | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
approach we were taking on standardised assessments. | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
Standardised assessments are not tests, they are assessments to | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
inform the judgments that teachers make about the performance of young | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
people. It is important that they exist, I think, to make sure that | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
that judgment has been informed in an objective way and that we are | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
then given from that information that allows us to assess the | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
attainment gap and set targets to close it so that we can be | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
accountable to this chamber and to the wider public for the commitment | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
we have given around closing the attainment gap. I am determined that | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
we will do that. We will take advice from our Council and others, but we | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
will be unwavering in our commitment to deliver the best education for | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
all young people across this country. | :31:21. | :31:22. | |
Question number five. Gordon Lindhurst. | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
To ask the First Minister what measures the Scottish Government is | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
taking to reverse the reported decline in inward investment as a | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
share of UK total? We are looking in detail at the | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
recently published Department Frinton on trade figures which show | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
a small decrease in inward investment into Scotland in the last | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
year. They have a different methodology to the specific figures | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
published by Ernst and Young in May. They placed Scotland in the top two | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
locations for foreign investment outside London in the last six years | :31:59. | :32:06. | |
and showed 2015 in same record year, with a 51% increase over 2014. That | :32:07. | :32:14. | |
reflects the important role SDI plays in attracting investment. | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
Scotland is a great location but one of the key reasons that investors | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
campaign is to have access to the single market, which is why it is so | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
essential to retain that. I thank the First Minister for that | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
answer and I am aware of the figures and the studies she refers to. VDI T | :32:31. | :32:36. | |
figures are the latest ones and they show the reality is that investment | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
in Scotland is down 9% on last year, new jobs are down 23% and Scotland's | :32:43. | :32:52. | |
share of new UK project is down from six to 4.9%. Rather it is her threat | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
that hangs like a dark cloud over Scotland of a further independence | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
referendum that is to blame for that. Now... The question is, the | :33:01. | :33:15. | |
people of Scotland have spoken in plain English, no Means no. When | :33:16. | :33:23. | |
will the First Minister except that? First Minister. The Ernst Young -- | :33:24. | :33:31. | |
the Ernst and Young figures have a difference of a few months. Let me | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
just wonder, what was the uncertainty hanging over the | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
Scottish economy in the latter part of the financial year 2015-2016? The | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
only uncertainty hanging over the Scottish economy at that point was | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
the looming referendum on EU membership. I remember 2014 when the | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
Tories went all over this country telling people that voting no was | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
the only way to secure European union membership and now they have | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
put that in jeopardy. The uncertainty facing our economy now | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
is the reckless gamble of the Tories in taking us to the EU exit door and | :34:11. | :34:16. | |
for those who have caused the problem, to try to blame those of us | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
trying to find solutions is a bit like an arsonist trying to blame the | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
fire brigade. The Tories should be utterly ashamed of themselves. | :34:24. | :34:31. | |
Jackie Baillie. I'm sure that the First Minister | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
does indeed share the disappointment because after a very positive inward | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
investment figures, we are seeing a subsequent decline. We can argue | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
over whose figures are right that it is the case that inward investment | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
projects are down, jobs generated are down and when compared to the | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
rest of the UK we appear to be doing less well. I absolutely disagree | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
with Gordon Lindhurst. It is not a question that Brexit has no impact | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
but it is the impact of both Brexit and continuing uncertainty over a | :35:04. | :35:11. | |
potential referendum that has an impact on inward investment. What | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
will the Prez Minister do to address this? | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
It is not that long that Jackie Baillie did agree Gordon Lindhurst | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
because she also travelled to Scotland in 2014, saying we had to | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
vote no to protect our European union membership. She should reflect | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
on that. Let me address directly the issue of membership because Scotland | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
is a success story in inward investment. In the new climate we | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
are in, we are going to have to work even harder to attract inward | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
investment. That is why I announced the new investment and innovation | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
hubs we are establishing in London, Dublin and Brussels and supporting | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
Scottish enterprise and SDI and why we are announcing the initiative is | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
to support the economy. Jackie Baillie can talk about uncertainty | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
but the problem for Labour is there is one certainty right now if Labour | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
doesn't get its act together. Owen Smith has said it, Kezia Dugdale has | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
said it and that is the certainty of Scotland being governed by the | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
Tories for 20 years. Jackie Baillie and Labour have nothing to say about | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
that so we get on with the job of supporting the Scottish economy and | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
we will leave Labour to steer you in the juice of their own making. -- to | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
bubble in the juice of their own making. | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
To ask the First Minister whether the Scottish Government will convene | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
a working group of ScotRail representatives, passenger | :36:40. | :36:41. | |
disability groups and trade unions to review and report on safer train | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
services? We welcome information on how to | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
improve. Elaine Smith will be aware of forums such as the stakeholder | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
equality group and advisory groups which include attendees from | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
passenger and mobility groups. We will be ensuring disabled people are | :37:04. | :37:12. | |
involved in all aspects of improvement. We must respect the | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
remit of the independent safety regulator in overseeing safe | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
operation of our railway, which is one of the safest in Europe. The | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
transport minister will be happy to meet with Elaine Smith to discuss | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
this issue if she is interested. Thank you, presiding officer. I | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
think rail passengers in Scotland and particularly those with | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
disabilities and RMT members in the gallery today will be a bit | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
disappointed by that response, that there will be a working group | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
convened. Is she aware that thousands of claims are operated by | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
ScotRail without a second member of staff on board? The guard role is | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
not just about operating doors but it involves numerous | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
responsibilities around passenger safety, comfort and security and | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
given the current suspension of strike action I would be very | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
pleased to accept the offer to meet with the transport minister to | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
discuss how we can guarantee the safest possible operating procedures | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
on our trains. Elaine Smith raises important | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
issues. The transport minister will engage fully with her and other | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
members and the RMT and other unions. I think it is important to | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
point out that in terms of driver controlled operation, the rail | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
safety regulator and the standards board has publicly confirmed in | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
their view it is a safe method of working. They did that because they | :38:42. | :38:47. | |
were asked to reaffirm their view in the context of the recent dispute. | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
Positively, and Elaine Smith has indicated, industrial action has now | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
been suspended where both parties are looking to work through an | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
agreement. I hope that process ends in a positive agreement and we can | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
look forward to a situation in the months ahead when passengers don't | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
have any further disruptions to the services they rely on. | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
To ask the First Minister for what reason more than a quarter of | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
training places in GPs surgeries are not taken up by the end of the 2016 | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
recruitment round? Firstly, I'm kind of surprised Alex | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
Cole-Hamilton intern doesn't know we are not at the end of the | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
recruitment round yet. For the first round of advertising, three quarters | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
of cases have been filled so far and even at this interim age, we have | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
recruited 4% more year one GP trainees than when the full process | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
was completed last year. This summer a second round has started which | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
advertises a further 100 places and this takes the total number of | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
places being advertised to recruitment to 439, which exceeds | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
our target of 400 places. This year we are also offering ?20,000 | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
bursaries for harder to fill places. As we take all GPs in training into | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
account, not just the one entrance. The current rate is 92%. | :40:12. | :40:19. | |
I think the First Minister for and so. Nevertheless it is clear from | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
these statistics that making places available does not necessarily mean | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
trainees will emerge to fill them. In the euro since the Liberal | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
Democrats repeatedly raised the GP crisis at First Minister's | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
Questions, we have lost a further 90. One in four patients present to | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
Scottish surgeries with underlying mental health conditions. Does the | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
First Minister agree that we can relieve practices like those in my | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
own constituency in Edinburgh West by appointing full time mental | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
health practitioners, not just link workers, in every surgery in | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
Scotland? Firstly, I do agree very much with | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
Alex Cole-Hamilton. It is not just advertising position that counts, it | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
is filling them with doctors. That is why I hoped he would have | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
welcomed the fact that at this interim stage in 2016 we are already | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
ahead of where we were at the end of last year 's process. There is still | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
work to be done but clear process being made and we are taking a | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
number of steps including the bursary I spoke about to make sure | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
we bursaries in harder to fill areas are more attractive for doctors to | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
take them up. Entrance of relieving pressure on GPs, that is why we are | :41:32. | :41:39. | |
working with GPs to transform primary care. We are going to | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
introduce link workers into GP surgeries, which addresses the point | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
Alex Cole-Hamilton has made about mental health support. We have made | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
sure that all GPs have access to an advanced from of this and bolstering | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
the skills of the professional with advanced nurses and looking to | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
recruit 1000 new paramedics to work in community settings which takes | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
the pressure off not just GPs but emergency services. I want to thank | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
GPs for the incredible work they do and we are determined to work with | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
them to make sure we have a primary care system and the health system | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
that is fit for the challenges of the future. | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
To ask the First Minister how the Scottish Government is ensuring | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
accelerated funding and additional business on Brexit uncertainty? | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
Earlier this week I announced we intended to use the strength of the | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
balance sheet to establish a growth fund. Over three years this will | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
provide SMEs with ?500,000 of investment and up to ?5 million of | :42:49. | :42:56. | |
eligible business. We also announced a capital investment package. | :42:57. | :42:58. | |
Including ?20 million investment in energy saving for homes. ?10 million | :42:59. | :43:08. | |
that will go towards local economic development projects across the | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
country. All of that spending is accelerated into this financial | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
year. Responding to the Federation of Small Businesses we have also | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
created a point of contact, enabling individual companies to submit any | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
questions they have about the impact of Brexit. | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
And I think the First Minister for that answer? Does she agree it is | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
high time the British government followed her lead and announce their | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
own economic stimulus package, rather than continue to repeat their | :43:37. | :43:47. | |
meaningless mantra of Brexit means Brexit? | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
On the 10th of August when I announced the package, I called on | :43:54. | :44:01. | |
the UK to urgently develop its own plans. We haven't alleviated | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
uncertainty. We don't know what the date of the Autumn Statement is yet, | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
for goodness sake, that is the state of the uncertainty in golfing the | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
government -- engulfing the government. There are concerns that | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
the damage to the economy and jobs from the Brexit decision and | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
confusion of the UK Government will be severe and long-lasting. This | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
Parliament has given the Scottish Government a mandate to protect | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
Scottish interests and that is what we will do. | :44:31. | :44:36. | |
The First Minister and reassure our farming ministers across Scotland | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
that the shambles of this year 's direct farm payments won't be | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
repeated in the coming to you because never mind accelerated | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
payments, I had from us at my door at the weekend telling me they | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
haven't received payments from nine months ago. | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
Well, as we have said previously we acknowledge our shortcomings when it | :44:58. | :45:00. | |
comes to making payments to farmers this year and we have apologised for | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
that. I will do that again today. In terms of where we are in terms of | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
the 5th of September 18,300 eligible farmers over 17,000, I've got | :45:12. | :45:19. | |
payment. We have paid loans to those who are still awaiting the payment. | :45:20. | :45:26. | |
Fergus will make a full update on the 13th of September and as well as | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
giving an update on payments for this year he will also set out the | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
intentions in terms of the 2016 payments. | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
Thank you, First Minister. That concludes First Minister's | :45:40. | :45:39. | |
Questions. There we have it. 45 minutes is | :45:40. | :45:49. | |
about to be the norm. It is an experiment by presiding officer Ken | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
Mackintosh, but it seems likely to be the norm to have that extension. | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
He also brought in some new questions, supplement is from | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
backbenchers on general points, not just constituency points, in an | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
effort to get the backbenchers more involved. But of course, it was the | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
frontbenchers who were dominant. I am joined by two journalistic | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
colleagues, Severin Carrell and Lindsay McIntosh. Let's go through | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
what Ruth Davidson majored on, British Transport Police being | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
integrated as part of the Smith commission proposals into transport | :46:22. | :46:29. | |
proposals. Does she have a point? She does and she doesn't. There is a | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
separate UK-wide force in Scotland, which controls railwa policing, | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
which was agreed by the Smith commission, the Tory government at | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
the time. The problem now is that we are now getting some classic | :46:43. | :46:51. | |
political divides. The Scottish National Party naturally want to | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
defend the process of devolution. The problem is that the British | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
Transport Police obviously feels that it has been caught in the | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
middle of a different form of political dispute. Ruth Davidson is | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
probably accurate in saying that the police themselves are unhappy with | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
that. Ruth Davidson read out e-mails from serving officers, which is | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
always a potent thing to do because they are literally the guys on the | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
front line of this. It seemed that the First Minister didn't try to | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
flatten that. She will have to listen to these concerns. Yes. I | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
think Davidson will score points on that. She will score points on the | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
nature of the consultation the Scottish Government has put out. The | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
Scottish Government are saying, how do we do this, not why are we doing | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
this? The white question was actually answered by the Smith | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
commission in 2015. So we have moved beyond that. But it is not going to | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
go away and I think as the legislation comes forward, it will | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
become another potent argument and the old binary divisions, Unionism | :47:54. | :48:03. | |
versus devolution. The Conservatives raised concerns about the operation | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
of a single force, which perhaps adds to anxieties that are already | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
there. Yes, it is a potent ground because we know the amalgamation of | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
the regional police forces into Scotland was not a smooth procedure. | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
And we know the SNP are quite weak on that. So for Ruth Davidson to | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
throw in, you were not good at that, how can we trust you to do the | :48:28. | :48:30. | |
British Transport Police properly, is quite good politically for her. | :48:31. | :48:37. | |
The Smith commission agreed to devolve powers to the SNP | :48:38. | :48:40. | |
government, so what is the SNP government going to do with it? | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
Let's turn to the question raised by Kezia Dugdale for Labour, the hugely | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
sensitive topic of mental health care for children. The First | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
Minister was arguing that the fact that people were coming forward was, | :48:55. | :49:00. | |
and she admitted herself that it was a perverse argument, that could be | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
seen as positive. Kezia Dugdale didn't see it that way. No. That is | :49:05. | :49:11. | |
clearly a point that everybody would acknowledge, that stigmatisation is | :49:12. | :49:14. | |
to an extent reduced around mental ill-health, but more people will | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
come forward with problems and seek help. That is a good thing, but the | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
issue is whether they are getting the help they need. There were two | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
clear points from Kezia Dugdale. One was that the 18 week waiting time is | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
not being met. Indeed, it is being absolutely missed by a year in some | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
cases. The other was that hundreds of teenagers are coming forward, | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
recommended for treatment by their clinicians, and they are being | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
rejected. The issue with this is that its decisions are being made by | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
an SNP government which has been in power for nine years. They are now | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
having to deal with problems which they have perhaps either created or | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
certainly not solved. They can't blame it on the last guys any more. | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
This is an important issue which the public are rightly very interested | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
in, and it is difficult for Nicola Sturgeon to deal with. We can see | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
all the members flooding down the stairs now. They may be talking | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
about the police issue or the mental health question, or the one in the | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
foreground all the time, Brexit. It came up again. You have a competing | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
narrative now. Tories, it is your fault for doing the Brexit | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
referendum in the first place. The Tories say yes, but hang on, Nicola | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
Sturgeon, you are about to make it worse if you contemplate an | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
independence referendum. It is the same dichotomy from before. You have | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
two binary forces, both with big cudgels to hit each other over the | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
head with. A lot of this takes place inside the distinct, rarefied | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
atmosphere of First Minister's Questions. Outside here, there are | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
still an underlying uncertainty about the future and about the | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
present. The question about the Scottish economy's vulnerabilities | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
are being exposed and debated by Scottish economists, Scottish | :51:13. | :51:14. | |
business leaders and so forth. There are specific issues in Scotland, | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
which undoubtedly Brexit could amplify. But then on Brexit, there | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
are so many uncertainties. Lots of data suggests that actually, the UK | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
economy is more resilient than some of the doomsayers expected. That | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
could be good for the Scottish national party when it comes to the | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
second independence referendum, ironically. But we don't know how | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
badly damaged the UK economy will be. If it is badly damaged, Nicola | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
Sturgeon's Cudjo will become even larger. I will come back to you both | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
in the second. As I mentioned at the outset, it was a reformed First | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
Minister's Questions today, the presiding officer determined to get | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
more backbenchers involved in an effort to put more scrutiny upon the | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
First Minister. That is the objective of parliament, after all. | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
We have been speaking to a senior academic, Paul Kenny, who believes | :52:06. | :52:07. | |
that Parliament needs to go further in terms of reform. He is looking at | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
the scrutiny, and he is suggesting, goodness me, that there might have | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
to be more MSPs. Here is what he said. You say we need more MSPs. | :52:17. | :52:27. | |
That is a tough sell to the public. Almost impossible, because people | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
think of the cost and wonder what they are going for the money. But | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
the way things are going, the committees seem too stretched to | :52:36. | :52:38. | |
deal with the things they are doing already. If you add things on, you | :52:39. | :52:44. | |
are pretty much guaranteeing reduced accountability and scrutiny. The | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
original idea of the committee was that it would be a career in itself, | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
that MSPs would forge real expertise on these committees and bring that | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
to bear in scrutiny. Are you saying they are too thinly stretched to do | :52:58. | :53:03. | |
that? Yeah. It is ironic, because you get that in Westminster. You get | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
these backbench MPs who make a career out of chairing a committee. | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
But it seems to me, particularly if you are in the governing party, you | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
don't have the opportunity to do that. The party has too much | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
control. And yet Nicola Sturgeon has given up control in the sense that | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
the parliamentary aides will no longer sit on the committees, | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
scrutinising their own minister. But that seems to be the most visible | :53:29. | :53:35. | |
worst excess of the party. However it works in public, they have still | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
got control over who chairs the committee and therefore who sets the | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
agenda and who gets to speak. Of course, if you remove these | :53:47. | :53:48. | |
parliamentary aides from the committee, there are still all that | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
work to be done, but it is a smaller pool of backbench MPs able to do | :53:53. | :53:59. | |
that. Yeah, or they will move to a different committee. It is | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
unrealistic to think that suddenly, the SNP will not coordinate their | :54:03. | :54:08. | |
activities. What is wrong with that? It is understandable, isn't it? It | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
is OK if we are honest about the results, particularly during a | :54:15. | :54:16. | |
majority government. You simply accept that the governing party will | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
control the business of Parliament, it will produce the most policy and | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
parliament will scrutinise at the edges. But it will not be the idea | :54:25. | :54:31. | |
of a power-sharing relationship. Does this have a real impact? Other | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
public losing as a consequence of what you believe is scrutiny that | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
falls short of what is desirable? I think so, because the whole idea of | :54:41. | :54:43. | |
our unicameral system is that you get it right in the beginning. There | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
is no revising chamber. Instead, you have a Scottish Government that | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
knows it can present a draft acts to Parliament, and nine times out of | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
ten, it will not change much. They will not face too much opposition. I | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
don't see the high stakes for the government to get it right. So you | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
are saying we need more MSPs to do the work and you need committees | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
with more clout? I think so. Probably the best value is in | :55:18. | :55:20. | |
beefing up the administrative side of that so that if you don't have | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
many MSPs who have the ability or willingness to pay attention for | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
long, you have great staff that say exactly what is going on in here are | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
the key issues for stop staff novel parties, but for the committees | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
themselves. Yes, so they have a nonpartisan role, but they are | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
interested in the details. They can develop expertise themselves, know | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
what works for MSPs. That would be the business like I expect. How | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
about the idea of a revising chamber? It sounds good. The ones I | :55:56. | :56:08. | |
have seen are expensive. So you are sceptical about that? I think they | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
would just whip two chambers instead of one. When you look at the | :56:13. | :56:19. | |
prospects, are you optimistic? Well, I suppose I am saying we should keep | :56:20. | :56:26. | |
our expectations low. We were talking about a new politics, better | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
than Westminster. I don't think we can claim that any more. Paul | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
Cairney, giving his views. Let's chat about that briefly. Lindsay | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
McIntosh, he is talking about more MSPs. That is a hard sell. It is. | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
One of the key issues is that this parliament was set up in 1999, when | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
there were limited devolved powers given to this government. It was | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
known as a pocket money Parliament. It is now certainly not that. It has | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
got tax-raising powers and it is getting a lot more power to the | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
Scotland act over tax, social security and issues like abortion | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
and gambling. That is a powerful Parliament and it needs to be able | :57:09. | :57:17. | |
to consider these issues seriously and to have them scrutinised. So | :57:18. | :57:19. | |
perhaps it is time for reform. However, as you say, firstly, it is | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
not a very sexy area, as important as it is. Secondly, what is the | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
solution? More MSPs? How do you sell that to the public? I don't agree | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
that more MSPs are needed. I think the committees need to change. The | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
Parliamentary committee around committees... The Westminster | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
tradition is that the chairperson of an important committee regards | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
themselves first and foremost as being there on behalf of Parliament. | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
They are tough and aggressive with every party, no matter whether they | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
are part of that party or not. That tradition is not upheld in this | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
place. Committees here are often weak and hamstrung by party | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
loyalties, and frequently produce poor reports as a result. Thanks | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
very much. That is the end of our coverage of First Minister's | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
Questions. From me, Brian Taylor, bye-bye. | :58:14. | :58:41. | |
In an unforgiving time, Scotland had its heroes. | :58:42. | :58:46. |