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As the talks continued, the prospect of a new agreement | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
between the parties has been hanging in the air again today. | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
But as we've found in previous days, despite the expectations running | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
high, there's precious little by way of detail in the public domain. | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
Martin McGuinness tells MLAs that the IRA Army Council has no | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
I don't ever recall on one occasion anybody questioning any decision | :00:44. | :00:55. | |
that was made to the course of those eight years as having been subject | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
to a group of people in a smoke-filled room. | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
The Justice Minister comes in for some harsh criticism after | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
Unsafe, unstable, dangerous. It could not be any more damning. What | :01:07. | :01:23. | |
does it take for a minister in this house to take responsibility and | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
resign for systematic and catastrophic failure? | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
And with me in the studio to share her thoughts | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
on today's developments is the Irish News journalist, Allison Morris. | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
Is a political deal likely to be done this week at Stormont? | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
That's the question we've been asking | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
for a while now, and if we take on board the views of the Secretary | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
of State and the Taoiseach, things certainly look like they're | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
Both are now on the record as saying they're hopeful there'll | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
Enda Kenny met David Cameron earlier today in Downing Street | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
We discussed the question of Northern Ireland and the issues that | :01:59. | :02:11. | |
are there. These discussions have been going on for quite some time. | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
They have been discussing various points over the last of weeks and I | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
would be hopeful that having had briefings from the Minister for | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
foreign affairs that there might -- they might be concluded this week. | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
The Taoiseach, Enda Kenny, seems hopeful that a deal can be reached | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
before the weekend, but it's not signed, sealed and delivered yet. | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
It isn't and we have heard these noises before in previous rounds of | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
talks and they have ended in failure. There has not been a lot of | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
detail coming out. There has been a lot of talk of people being hopeful | :02:52. | :03:02. | |
and talks being constructive. The politicians have gone very quiet and | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
we are all suspicious about what's going on behind closed doors. We are | :03:06. | :03:15. | |
in the third week now. It will be interesting to see whether they can | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
manage it to the end of the week. I think it will be the start of next | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
week before we hear anything. The Secretary of State said last | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
Thursday interview was in her view possible but she will wouldn't go as | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
far as to save the -- probable. She has seen how these things can fall | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
down at the last minute. We know what the hurdles are. There are | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
several other issues in relation to moving things forward and progress | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
and in the past we have been unable to reach an agreement. But because | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
things came to such a head over the deaths of Jack Davidson, all parties | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
know something has to be done. The STL P leaders said earlier today | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
there are still gaps bit -- before the deal can be struck. Is this | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
looking more like a deal that will necessarily involve all five | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
parties? It is almost certain it will be a deal that will have to get | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
the agreement of the two main parties. The other parties are going | :04:20. | :04:30. | |
to have to like it or lump it. The past have risen between the DUP on | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
Sinn Fein so those problems have to be solved. Do you think it makes a | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
big difference in terms of the stickability of the deal if for | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
example the Ulster Unionists at left outside. There talking about some | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
sort of change to how the assembly is set up. They will be happy enough | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
if they could have a change. That is one of the things being discussed. | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
At this point in time I think the British and the governments are | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
trying to get a deal between Sinn Fein and the DUP. So what we're | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
looking at potentially is a deal between those two big parties rather | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
than a storm in the steel between the five parties? Exactly and I | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
think it will create some animosity with the smaller parties but it | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
means we can retain the assembly and we are going into an election next | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
year anyway so the public needs some sort of change in the assembly then. | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
At the moment they are just trying to save the institutions. | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
In the Assembly, business carried on as usual and | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
the Office of the First and Deputy First Ministers faced questions. | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
Martin McGuinness was on duty with a little help from the Junior | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
Minister, Jennifer McCann, and they were asked about subjects as diverse | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
as the IRA Army Council's influence, the controversial prospect of a | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
victims' pension and cheering on the Northern Ireland football team. | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
The first question came from David McNarry. | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
I wonder would he have time to confirm that the IRA Army Council | :06:06. | :06:14. | |
are also consulting routinely in decision taken by his office. I | :06:15. | :06:27. | |
think in the course of my duties as Deputy First Minister over the | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
course of the last eight years, working with both Reverend Ian | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
Paisley and Peter Robinson in their capacities as First Minister 's and | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
working with Sinn Fein ministers and the executives, I don't ever recall | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
on one occasion anybody questioning any decision that was made during | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
the course of those eight years as having been subject to a group of | :06:49. | :06:56. | |
people in a smoke-filled room. I really don't think the question is | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
appropriate but in the context of the discussions we are presently | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
involved in all of us recognise that is the of work to be done | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
collectively by the executive and by every member of this house in | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
standing together against those who would try to take us back to the | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
past. I think in the course of the last eight years the records of the | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
five Sinn Fein ministers in the executive are beyond question. I | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
think quite clearly as we move forward hopefully to an agreement in | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
the course of the coming days that we can devise a strategy which has | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
all of us singing from the same hymn sheet. I make it absolutely clear to | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
anybody out there who believes violence represents the way forward | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
for all of us, we say no. Whatever the arrangements for his colleagues, | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
when it comes to the Deputy First Minister is it simply a matter of | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
looking in the mirror when he is taking directions from the IRA Army | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
Council? I don't think that's an appropriate question. It obviously | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
comes from someone who has been hell-bent since coming into this | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
house to try and undermine the processes within this house. Our | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
department continues to continue proposals for injured victims in the | :08:26. | :08:33. | |
injection with the victims service. Research is ongoing into various | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
such as legislative requirements to allow the scheme to in a way which | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
benefits all victims and survivors. The Stormont House Agreement has | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
agreed further work will be undertaken to seek an acceptable way | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
forward on the proposals. As a result of this our department is | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
looking at attracting a document to seek opinion on various aspects of | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
the pension proposals. The truffle Bies omitted to the Stormont house | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
for consideration later this month. We want to ensure victims and | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
survivors receive the best services possible. In view of the refusal of | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
nationalist members to support a motion congratulating the Northern | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
Ireland foot hole team in qualifying for the European Championship 2016, | :09:16. | :09:24. | |
what is -- what are you doing to promote good relations within sport? | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
I do believe that a single team would be more effective both in | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
Europe and in qualifying for the World Cup but that said, I do | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
applaud their achievements. I have never been reluctant as has the | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
Minister for culture and leisure in congratulating teams from the North | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
love and well. I think it is something for all of us to be proud | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
of. The Deputy First Minister | :09:53. | :09:53. | |
on the recent success of The 'most dangerous' prison | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
in the UK. That was how Maghaberry Prison was | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
described in last week's report by Her Majesty's Chief Inspector | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
of Prisons in England and Wales. Today, the Justice Minister, | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
David Ford, responded to He reiterated that he doesn't intend | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
to resign and told MLAs that the Prison Service has taken 'swift | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
and decisive action' to make Immediately upon receiving the | :10:11. | :10:23. | |
feedback from the inspection prison servers management with support from | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
me took steps to remove the governor and deputy governor from their posts | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
and to replace them with a new senior team. While I do believe it's | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
appropriate go further into what ongoing matters, I will say that | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
neither the two person I removed was redeployed within the plate -- | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
prison service. I rise as someone in this assembly will fully supports | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
the reform programme which the Minister has quite properly directed | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
but I also rise with serious disappointment arising out of this | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
report. It is a damning report as the chair has rightly said and I'm | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
sure the Minister would agree. Central to this, in my view, is the | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
failure in terms of industrial relations within the prison. He | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
referred to an external recruitment programme. Does the Minister believe | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
the salaries and terms and conditions of young prison of the | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
adequate to retain and recruit prison officers to a standard that | :11:30. | :11:39. | |
are needed? Mr Swann makes a reasonable point. There have been | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
changes made in the terms and conditions of newly appointed | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
officers recently and my understanding is at this stage the | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
current scheme for appointing up to a hundred prison officers, we have | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
already something in excess of 1000 applications so it would suggest | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
that the terms and conditions which are being offered mixed them | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
acceptable to those who would can see -- consider careers in the | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
prison service. Would the Minister accept that the failure to implement | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
the recommendations of the review team specific to Maghaberry Prison | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
led to this report? And not sure it is reasonable to say the failure to | :12:24. | :12:31. | |
implement the recommendations, the recommendations are wide ranging and | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
far-reaching. What we saw in the expections report was a failure in | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
Maghaberry Prison at the time. Some very significant failings which led | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
to a critical report. But that is in no sense undermining the concept of | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
the report and its wider five -- far-reaching recommendations. I'm | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
delighted the Minister could stay for more than two questions today. | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
In terms of this report and the state and today, you have been in | :13:00. | :13:08. | |
position now for over six years, in charge of prisons, and you have | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
appointed the leadership team. Do you not accept that the leadership | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
team which has been a revolving door of Englishmen coming over to run the | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
prisons has been totally detached from the prison itself and it is | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
wholly disingenuous of you to skip -- a scapegoat to people who were in | :13:26. | :13:38. | |
position the less than a year. I have been in position for five | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
years, not over six. I don't appoint civil servants, there are procedures | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
by where civil servants are appointed. Sue McAllister is | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
certainly not an Englishman. The leadership team is not detached, the | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
leadership I see being given by the senior team is absolutely attached | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
to what is going on in the prison and that is no issue of | :14:06. | :14:06. | |
scapegoating. Leaving aside the self-serving | :14:07. | :14:15. | |
efforts by the Minister to give this report as soft a landing as | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
possible. Under safe, unstable, dangerous. It could not be any more | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
damning. What does it take for a minister in this house to take | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
responsibility and resign for systematic and catastrophic failure? | :14:34. | :14:44. | |
Well, I notice the customary positive and constructive attitude | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
to these things! The simple question is, on what basis does a minister | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
resigned when action is being taken to redress failings which are | :14:54. | :15:01. | |
highlighted in the report by people running a particular service which | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
is being taken at the appropriate level with full support from the | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
Minister. The Employment Minister was also | :15:07. | :15:07. | |
answering questions today. Stephen Farry updated Members | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
on how he's resolving European Social Fund difficulties, but first, | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
he responded to questions about the closure of Ulster University's | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
School of Modern Languages. Ulster University's decision to | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
close its School of Modern Languages is the | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
outworking of cuts to my department As a result, Ulster University has | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
sought to rationalise its course offerings across campuses which has | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
resulted in the decision to close The university has advised that | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
a number of factors were taken into consideration, including | :15:34. | :15:41. | |
student demand, attrition rate, student satisfaction, employment | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
statistics Consolidation of the teaching | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
provision across all campuses will have budgetary savings | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
without impacting on the quality of | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
teaching which remains paramount. The level of interest and demand | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
from students choosing modern languages subjects | :15:59. | :16:00. | |
at all universities is low. Both in terms of the number | :16:01. | :16:11. | |
of students who select modern languages as a first choice and | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
in terms of those who meet While acknowledging concern amongst | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
business and other stakeholders regarding access to online language | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
causes, because of language skills of modern language learning | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
in in Northern Ireland The Minister has made reference to | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
further education colleges taking up the slack left by the | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
Ulster University abandoning courses Perhaps he can gice | :16:38. | :16:39. | |
more detail about what consultations and discussions have been had with | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
the college of further education, what additional resources he is | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
making available to them? I have had some discussions with | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
the Minister of Education regarding In terms of further education | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
itself, they are very clear in terms of their own admission | :16:56. | :17:06. | |
about supporting the local economy. As the member will appreciate, | :17:07. | :17:14. | |
we are finalising a new further education deal | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
which will consolidate much My department is continuing to | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
process claims from departments originally funded | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
by the European Union. The majority | :17:25. | :17:32. | |
of organisations have received full My department has brought | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
on further staff to assist this process and ensure it is completed | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
as soon as possible. I'm pleased to report that 66 | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
projects under the 2014-2020 Many have been up and running | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
since April while some of the other EU-funded programmes | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
both here and in other parts of the UK have yet to initiate | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
their application processes. In order to ease cash flow issues | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
for the new projects, my department is implementing an interim measure | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
whereby 50% of the EFS and DEL contribution in unpaid | :18:04. | :18:12. | |
claims is paid out and half later. Can I ask the Minister what | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
meetings he intends to have with groups that are still impacted | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
by the loss of NSF funding? At this stage, I am open to | :18:19. | :18:27. | |
groups who want to get in touch with me and to ask for meetings | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
and we will facilitate those. My officials will interact with | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
groups on an ongoing basis as well. The last time the second stage | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
of the Housing Bill came before the House it wasn't moved because | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
there was no minister in post. Today, with business back to normal, | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
the Social Development Minister, Mervyn Storey, | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
set out the bill's main aims. In recognition of the limited time | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
available to pass the legislation within | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
the current mandate, I have decided not to proceed with the proposals | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
relating to short tenancies, eligibility for homeless assistance | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
and injunctions This is so that a more concise | :19:05. | :19:07. | |
bill could be drafted and achieve The bill is a short | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
but potentially very effective The provisions | :19:14. | :19:22. | |
of the bill are necessary to support the strategies and initiatives | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
for dealing with empty homes, anti-social behaviour and disrepair | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
in the private housing sector. The committee did note that it only | :19:31. | :19:37. | |
relates to social landlords and there is concern that absentee | :19:38. | :19:54. | |
landlords are being missed. That tenants who move | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
from social housing for anti-social behaviour could move to a private | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
sector home and the landlord will not have been made aware of their | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
anti-social behaviour history. The definition of anti-social | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
behaviour, there is a note about widening it to people not | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
maintaining the property and I would urge caution around that because | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
there could be a number of reasons. a person with disability or mental | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
ill-health. So I want to be very clear | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
when that might be used. Are we going to protect the | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
Housing Executive and social housing associations | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
against potentially disruptive And if we do that and do not have | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
some mechanism for including private sector landlords, we risk actually | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
pushing those involved in that anti-social activity | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
into the private rented sector. While the identification and | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
hopefully reincorporation of empty homes into either the social or | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
private sector is important, it is I hope the Minister will | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
readily recognise that. It is a small step to deal with both | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
properties that are a nuisance in the area but also provide useful | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
means of providing housing. I welcome the opportunity to take | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
part in this second stage debate, But the Minister was flip-flopping | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
in and out of government. He told us that business could not | :21:22. | :21:30. | |
be as usual because the IRA had murdered and once the independent | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
panel confirmed that the IRA had murdered and they had guns and an | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
army council, suddenly it was time to sweep murder under the carpet and | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
it is time for business as usual. That brings us back here today, | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
nothing to do with principle or conviction in politics, | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
but everything to do with And that bill passed | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
its second stage. And the Minister didn't move | :21:55. | :22:02. | |
the second stage of another bill relating to housing - the Houses | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
in Multiple Occupation Bill. The Assembly has debated | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
a proposed independent investigation into one of the darkest events | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
of the Troubles. 11 people died following a series | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
of shootings by members of the Parachute Regiment | :22:16. | :22:17. | |
in west Belfast in 1971. The families of those killed | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
in Ballymurphy 44 years ago want an investigation, along similar | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
lines to the Hillsborough Inquiry, jointly funded by both the British | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
and Irish governments. 44 years ago, in the summer of 1971, | :22:29. | :22:42. | |
the British army went on a three-day killing spree in the month of | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
August. Throughout the area, the wreaks havoc on the streets. At the | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
end of that three-day period, 11 people lay dead and lives were | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
changed for ever. For over four decades, the families of those who | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
were killed have been campaigning to find the truth of what happened, | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
that was responsible, what decisions were taken that led to the murders | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
of their loved ones. Those efforts have been thwarted with closed doors | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
at every turn. Notwithstanding that, a robust body of evidence has been | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
gathered by the families at which point to the fact that all those | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
people were innocent victims, unlawfully killed, and those actions | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
represent a breach of Article two of the European Convention of human | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
rights. I have listened with interest and I have absolutely no | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
doubt that the victims and the families that are left want to hear | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
the truth of what actually occurred in that unique piece of our history. | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
And I think that is something which I certainly have sympathy with and | :23:50. | :23:58. | |
understand. Those were not the only events to take place when no one has | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
ever been brought to account. Where we had major breaches of Article | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
two, the right to life in this province. It is timely that we have | :24:08. | :24:16. | |
this debate today, Mr Speaker because not only is the shadow of | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
Ballymurphy over this chamber, it is over the negotiations that are | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
ongoing not far away from here. And the shadow of all of the past is | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
across all of those negotiations that are ongoing as we speak. | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
Victims have had a huge range of experiences. From the 14 who died on | :24:37. | :24:46. | |
bloody Sunday which has seen not one, but two Public enquiries and an | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
expenditure of hundreds of millions of pounds, to the many relatives of | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
over 1000 dead who still wait for something since the HET was wound | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
up. There has been nothing for that huge number of people who, like the | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
Ballymurphy families of truth, truth, justice, and knowledge and, | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
information. I suppose the biggest difficulty with the activity of this | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
motion is that the community that I know best, many within it will say, | :25:22. | :25:41. | |
where is the inquiry into Consett -- La Mon, where is the inquiry into a | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
litany of other ills. It will surprise people that I'm standing | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
here making this plea. I am wearing a poppy and there is a reason for | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
that. I want to be proud of our army and I want to commemorate and | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
acknowledge the sacrifice that the Army has made over the years in | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
theatres of war. This was not a theatre of war. And if the Army has | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
misbehaved, in the circumstances, I think they need to be able to | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
acknowledge it. It happened in the bloody Sunday which never needed to | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
happen. If this have been happily investigated. So I want to continue | :26:23. | :26:29. | |
to regard the Army with pride and I think that they need to cooperate is | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
such an inquiry can be put together. A very personal contribution to the | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
debate from the Alliance Party's Trevor Lunn - and that motion was | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
defeated by 48 votes to 44. Allison, the Ballymurphy families' | :26:39. | :26:51. | |
situation has been covered by your paper for many years. Today's motion | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
was defeated, that is airing momentum behind an inquiry? Varies. | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
There has been a number of new developments down to the families | :27:03. | :27:11. | |
and victims' groups. It is nothing that the government have pushed. The | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
families will continue until they get a closure. We will never see an | :27:15. | :27:22. | |
inquiry like the one for bloody Sunday. But the Hillsborough type | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
investigation, that is something that could help with healing. Not | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
just the Ballymurphy, but other unsolved cases. The motion was | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
brought by two Sinn Fein members and the Alliance Party's Trevor Lunn. | :27:37. | :27:44. | |
How significant is that? His contribution was very significant. | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
You could hear the waiver in his voice. He is right, if people are to | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
support the British Army, they have to be held to account. The bloody | :27:53. | :28:01. | |
Sunday and the other cases are clear indications when the army was wrong. | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
This cannot just be swept under the carpet. Finally, we heard the | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
Justice Minister David Ford getting a grilling following that was -- | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
report on Maghaberry Prison. It does not appear that he is considering | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
his position. He is not, and Sue McAllister is not either. That is | :28:22. | :28:29. | |
incredible. If this was in England, Scotland or Wales, this would not | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
happen. Heads would roll. Maghaberry Prison the worst prison in Europe. | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
Will we have a deal at the end of next week? I'm not optimistic for | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
this week, but I think at the end of next week, we will have one. Whether | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
it was Dick or whether it will just be sticking plaster I'm not sure. | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
There is something cooking. I'll be back tomorrow | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
at the same time here on BBC Two. | :28:52. | :28:57. |