12/03/2012 Stormont Today


12/03/2012

A political programme focusing on the day's events at the Assembly and Northern Ireland Executive. Tara Mills is the guide through the corridors of power at Stormont.


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Hello and welcome. They had been compared to the

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porters, leading them has been described as herding cats, but

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someone will have to take up the helm at the Ulster Unionist Party.

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Danny Kennedy is first out of the traps, but will anyone take on the

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popular minister? Or so should night, Martin

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McGuinness makes a solemn pledge to the Assembly. I would -- I have put

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my life on the line for the peace process on a number of occasions

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and I would do so again tomorrow. And with major benefit changes on

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the way, my guess is from the Housing Rights Service. -- my guest.

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Today's timetable was given over to debating the final programme for

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Government. The SDLP criticised what they say is a lack of action

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of social housing. Do you agree with that? Yes. I think we would

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echo that concern. We would like to have seen a greater commitment in

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the programme. Not only in providing more social homes but

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also to introducing a package of measures which would have helped to

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support homeowners who are struggling and who are faced with

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repossession and also that could have helped instil confidence back

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into what they consider is a fairly fragile housing market.

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programme talks about 8,000 new homes over the next four years, is

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that adequate? Not really. 8,000 is over four years. That puts 2000

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affordable homes and 6,000 social homes. There is a model which is

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used to forecast the number of homes needed and they estimate we

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will need to and have 1000 social homes -- 2.5000. That would

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translate into 10,000 social homes over four years. My understanding

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is that the programme is committed to 6,000. There has been some

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criticism recently that we do not have enough of the right sort of

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forms, not enough flats or a one- bedroom properties. Do you see that

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changing? Absolutely. There has been a criticism. I think that is

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one of the points that people locally have tried to make to the

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ministers in the UK, that we do have a different stock here of

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housing. We have many more family type homes. Space has never been at

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-- space has ever been at a premium here, so we have a lot of family

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homes and one of the concerns we have is, when we introduced the

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benefit changes, and the plan is to introduce what is referred to as

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the bed and tax, people will not receive if they do not have the

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family size that requires a three- bed home. They will only receive

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the benefit that they require. That may not be available in Northern

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Ireland. There is some work to do been trying to assess what the

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impact is going to be and match the size of accommodation we have

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available. As we had been earring, well-filled

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reform is a major issue hanging over the heads of tens of thousands

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of people. -- welfare reform. During questions today, the Social

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Development Minister was asked if there is any flexibility within the

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changes being introduced by London. Myself and my colleagues have

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recently started to explore a range of flexibilities, of which we

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believe could exist. This important work is at an early stage and we

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are trying to focus on maximising all flexibilities available to help

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mitigate against the negative impact of the wealth lot reform

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bill. I had a constructive meeting with the Secretary of State in

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which we discussed how we could work together on welfare reform,

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including exploring possible areas for flexibility. I will continue to

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have regular contact with not only the Secretary of State for Northern

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Ireland but also department for work and pensions ministers. As

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already mentioned, I will be in London tomorrow to meet Ian Duncan

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Smith and David Freud. Would the Minister acknowledge that due to

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the conflict that we have had over 40 years, there are a lot of people

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on disability benefits, particularly those with mental

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health related matters will stop there has to be a special case --

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special case made. We you assure the House of that message is taken

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to London? I can assure the member that point will be raised to

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tomorrow. It is one we have raced on a number of occasions and it is

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clear indeed that there is a difference in the profile between

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benefit in Northern Ireland as opposed to Great Britain. There is

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a higher level of people on that particular benefit as a result of

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mental health issues than in Great Britain. That is something we need

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to look that. The reasons for it are fairly... No doubt a legacy of

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the Troubles. That is very much in our thinking. They are aware of

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that difference as we move forward. With people on waiting lists for

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social housing, the Minister revealed plans to tackle the issue

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of an attack -- unoccupied house in. Empty housing is a waste of

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resource and can blight communities and attract anti-social behaviour.

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I have seen this all too often in my own constituency, so why am well

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aware of it. In the coming weeks, I will be bringing forward and new

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housing strategy which will include plans on how we will make better

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use of our existing stock. We also need to see what more we can do to

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make better use of empty homes in the private sector. Some time ago,

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the Housing Executive undertook the Housing Executive undertook

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research that estimated there could be up to 40,000 empty homes across

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be up to 40,000 empty homes across Northern Ireland. The Dat

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underpinning the Cessna was unreliable and despite some initial

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progress to tear down the owners of empty homes, this petered out and

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this -- results were disappointing. I have asked for a plan to tackle

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this wider issue and New work into specific Tiler - a pilot issues is

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currently underway. I see this as an important way in addressing

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housing need. Martin McGuinness was up next. The Alliance Party's

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member it wanted to make out -- wanted to hear what he made of the

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recent report. The report highlights the stability of

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political institutions and the decrease that there has been by

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violence. We are heartened by this finding. We want to see this

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enhanced as our community continues to move forward. We know that there

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is still work to do and the publication of this pop -- of this

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report underlines where there continue to the challenge is for us

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as a society. We're committed to addressing these issues, regardless

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of how complex and challenging they might be. The First Minister and I

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remain committed to building a united and shared Society for us to

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achieve this vision, we must address the division that continues

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to mar many areas of our community, tackle the segregation that has

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enabled our people to live often separate lives for too long, and

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nurture our environment for cultural diversity is celebrated

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and embraced. We believe that the finalised strategy will be an

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important building block for tackling these issues and this

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report will be a very valuable reference for the continued

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considerations of the cross-party working group. In the report, two

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of the points are linked. One is reference to the strategy for

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reconciliation and a solution to dealing with the past. Given that

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those two things are very key to the future, or will he agree with

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me that next time he or anyone else involved in terror or violence in

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the past is asked to own up to their part and that, they will

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actually do that rather than pleading the 5th and then read as

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he did? The Minister and mayor may not wish to answer that question.

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will answer the question. It has been a policy now for the

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particular member asking the question to be as negative as he

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possibly can be. That is something that I have come to terms with. I

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think it says more about time that is about myself. I have been very

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much involved in the work of peace and reconciliation. I would like to

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think that over the course of recent times I have put my life on

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the line for the peace process on a number of occasions and I would do

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so again tomorrow without any hesitation whatsoever. I ate well

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very positively and -- I work positively and constructively with

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the First Minister and many other people within society, both in the

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community and business sector and also with all the churches in

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ensuring that we continue to move forward. No solution has been found

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by anybody, a not least the member, in terms of how we deal with the

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past. Let us go back to a couple of

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points the Housing Minister made. He is going to have a housing

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strategy in the looking at these empty homes. That is something that

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has been on the agenda for a long time but nothing has been done.

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Absolutely, and something that we have been calling for is a housing

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strategy for Northern Ireland to. We are delighted to hear the

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Minister making that commitment. He has been talking about it for the

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last few weeks and we look forward to being involved in helping to

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influence the content of that strategy. Potentially, what

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difference could that may? It could make a huge difference. We have off

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for a while that there has not been a strategic approach to housing in

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Northern Ireland. We can go all the 10 years and the different

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contributions that we can make to meeting the housing need in

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Northern Ireland. We need that kind of comprehensive approach to their

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housing situation, where we are looking across all 10 years, the

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private-sector and the rented sector. Particularly at this time

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when the impact of welfare reform is pending and it is going to

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impact across this. Housing is one of the areas that we believe is

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going to be most significantly impacted by the implementation of

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this. This will be critical to address.

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Members got the chance to give their tuppence worth up on the

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final version of the Executive's programme for Government earlier.

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The SDLP and the TV are not impressed and at times the debate

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got personal. Here is the first Minister outlining the main targets

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to the House. A commitment to promote 25,000 new

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jobs remains at the top of the agenda, along with commitments in a

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supporting young people into employment. �300 million of

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investment by business is, with at least 25% coming from small and Jim

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sized enterprises. Press for the devolution of corporation tax.

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Includes social clauses in all of public procurement processes for

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suppliers and construction. Liquidity of small and made him --

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aid liquidity of small and medium- sized enterprises. Schemes to

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improve landscape in public areas and promote public sector in but --

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private sector investment in towns and city. A sure planning decisions

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are made within six months. -- insurer planning decisions.

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Introduce an extension of the small business rate relief scheme.

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Eliminate our passenger duty on direct long-haul flights. We have

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gone further. The final programme for Government includes enhanced

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commitments on the economy, including commitments to achieve a

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�375 million injection through foreign direct investment, and

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increased from 300 million in the draft programme as part of a �1

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It was disappointing To hear the Minister at suggest that another

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look might be taken at senior citizens and the card allowing free

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travel being possibly taken away from them, which would be to the

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detriment of the senior citizens. don't want to be negative all the

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time so we welcome the initiative. We should be welcoming it. Yes, a

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great deal of it seems to be mother great deal of it seems to be mother

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hard and apple pie, but there is much to praise. I am very pleased

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to see job targets in it, an extra spend on health and many, many

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other matters. But it is in many cases to vague with too few targets

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and too few turn lines. This document is a glossy, a nicely

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produced, it looks very well. If you flick through it, you would say,

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it looks good. But content is utterly vague and vacuous. I want

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to put on my record but I am surprised and disappointed that the

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SDLP minister could not find it within himself to attend last

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Thursday's crucial executive meeting which unanimously supported

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the programme for government. It also it saddens me to say that I

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find it equally surprising that the leader of the SDLP, Orston

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Macdonald... Order. Mr Speaker, it is disingenuous of the deputy first

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minister to criticise the Minister because he was in Brussels on

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official business. I thought that he said he was at a funeral, but he

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is in Brussels and now! Or! Allow the deputy first minister to

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continue. I reiterate the point, I also find it equally surprising

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that the leader of the SDLP, Alastair Macdonald, could not find

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the time it to come into this assembly today and contribute to

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our discussions on an issue his party say they feel very strongly

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about. I note the Ulster Unionists are about to decide he will be

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there next leader, but I think the SDLP are suffering from a

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leadership deficit. The SDLP Deputy Leader joins us for

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now. Clear that up for us, where was your leader today? He was here

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this morning meeting the group. He then rushed off to Westminster to

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take part in the delegation which is welcoming the Group Two Marks

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and Patrick's Day. Is the SDLP at in the cold now? It was a shin pain

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Das Sinn Fein and the DUP having a go today. We are used to them at

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taking turns to denigrate the SDLP, but the SDLP are standing in

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relation to the people. We have people coming into our offices who

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are very concerned about their job losses, the impact it has had on

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their ability to pay their mortgage and their rent, and indeed the very

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many young people who now have to leave in order to search of work.

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We are taking a stand to say that this programme does not measure up.

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They have looked at 400 public concentrations of people saying

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what things they want to see changed. Youth unemployment is one

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of the areas they will look at again. I welcome back, but we are

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10 months into this term. The programme for government normally

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comes before the Budget. There are now one in five of our young people

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unemployed. It is far too little. It is arguably too late or there

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are some action is better than none. Let's look at the consultation

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responses. It was less than three weeks when the closure... They had

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turn this around, published three new programme for government inside

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the three-week period and one has to ask what consideration did they

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give to those consultations bearing in mind that it has taken over a

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year to respond to the consultation? What would you have

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done differently? What would you have included in the programme?

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SDLP made a number of proposals and one of the things we believe is a

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much more determined action in response to the economic downturn

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and the welfare of of Tory cuts and reform. We need safety nets for

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people who are going into mortgage arrears, increase in the housing

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stock, but we have no definition yet but what an affordable home

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will be. The number of people on the UN and -- housing list is over

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10,000. The construction industry needs a boost and this would invest

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Thank you for joining us. An event to mark European day for

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victims of terrorism to place today in the Senate chamber. Three

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victims of the Troubles told them living stories at the event which

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was organised by Jim Allister. This year I was happy to host an

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event where we could hear the very moving accounts of instant victims

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of terrorism and reflect on how horrendous, unjustified glorified

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terrorism is. It takes says aquatic and a deprived mind to commit these

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acts. -- a psychotic. I'm one of many hundreds of problems -- people

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suffering from these problems. I want to see justice and the mother

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-- the murderer of my father It is part and parcel of trying to

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deliver a message that as we age, and me it's become greater. -- Alan

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needs. It is about being ensure that our needs will be met. This is

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the 25th anniversary of the Enniskillen Poppy Day bomb. A

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report is out soon, but whether it will disclose any answers for the

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family 25 years down the line, we will see.

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Pensioner poverty is a big concerns of the Public Accounts Committee

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has been looking at attempts to encourage pensioners to take up

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their full benefit entitlement. As we take our weekly look at the

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worker committees here, we find the PAC chair has a very pertinent

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question. If everyone took up the pension

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poverty, what that eradicate the problem? No. Is that a wider it --

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it is the white bishop of getting We have to get the wider issue of

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people investing. Many pensioners can receive the full entitlement,

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but they can still be in poverty. Poverty define 65 % of that level.

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The other key issue is the fuel poverty issue and the fact that we

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have here, and we know many pensioners are paying considerable

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amounts. We need to get the pensions into the right housing

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stock. I think we have done a good job in broad levels pushing up

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housing in some areas and we are very committed to doing up further,

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but the point is that unless we are getting better fixes so that a

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single pensioners are in better accommodation, unless we achieve

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that, we will not tackle anything. This issue requires more

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contributions from employers and people's own investments and

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pensions. It requires us to get the acts together as I have described

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here. It is a really big challenge. It is such a core issue. It is a

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growing population, 300,000, but the next 30 years it will be up on

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that. It is a big group far as. is rather unusual, but not unheard

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off. Although this is my first appearance of the justice can misty,

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The formal separation of our respective constitutional roles

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means that such roles -- appearances will be infrequent. But

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I have a particular interest in the There are areas where I can

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assisting your deliberations, but you will understand and welcome the

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fact that I have a firm policy of not straying into areas which are

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the responsibility of ministers of the assembly and unsure that

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committee members likewise would not wish to stray into areas which

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are the proper responsibility of the judiciary of legal knowledge

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through to diversity, the ability to manage situations, understand

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people who were in a highly emotionally charged situations,

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community, right material that people could actually understand,

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because a judgement is there for the benefit of the parties, the

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public, the press, as well as fork commentators. My understanding of

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the professions is that they are supportive of that approach and I

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think that it has benefited in ensuring that there is greater

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transparency. There is a much better opportunity for those no

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wish to take these posts up. The Ulster Unionist Party met

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tonight to discuss the leadership race. Candidates have until Friday

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to join their hats in the ring. -- throw their hats.

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We are aware that they are pressing ahead. This is as far as we are

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aware. The elections are going on at the end of the month. The big

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news today was that Danny Kennedy, the regional development minister,

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seemed to indicate that he will be standing. Apparently he took

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standings of the course of the weekend and felt he had the backing

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of the much charity of the party, also its apart from the party's

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peers and the MEP Jim Nicholson. He did not front up in front of the

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cameras to actually launched his campaign. But he would seem, at

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this stage, to be the front runner, although the current incumbent, Tom

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Elliott, is still there. Before heading to do but -- a Dublin for

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an engagement, he was asked whether Mr Kennedy would be the most

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credible candidate, something he did not want to give a view on.

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would be totally unfair as outgoing leader to recommend anyone. I just

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In a statement from the culture minister. This has been an ongoing

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saga to do with Alex Salmond -- salmon. Atlantic salmon is an

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Atlantic species in Northern Ireland and the culture minister is

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responsible for handing out licences. She was due to make a

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statement some time ago which she pulled because there were ongoing

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negotiations. Late this evening, she made a statement in which she

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said that she was going to issue licences to six commercial

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operators who catch salmon using nets here, but only on the

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condition that they had given a promise that they are not going to

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fish for the salmon during 2012 to try to conserve the species. She is

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also asking anglers to release any salmon a cat and to fly fish and

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use single barbless hooks up to catch the salmon in order not to

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damage the species. She sees this as a first step on the way to

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conserve the -- concerning an iconic species.

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A final thought, we have talked about different issues around

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housing, but we have not tackled the issue of homelessness and the

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figure of 10,000 is mentioned, but how many people do not have

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somewhere to live? That seems to be smaller in this part of the UK than

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elsewhere. I don't know whether that is true. In Northern Ireland

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our levels of homelessness are increasing. Last year there were

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over 21,000 households are presented as homeless. Just over

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10,000 of those were excepted -- accepted as the legal definition of

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homelessness. You are right to say that the number of people we have

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sleeping rough here is perhaps the most physical form of homelessness

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is smaller, but generally we have a fairly significant problem with

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homelessness and that is something which the Housing Executive are

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A political programme focusing on the day's events at the Assembly and Northern Ireland Executive. Tara Mills is the guide through the corridors of power at Stormont, and is joined by key people from decision makers to opinion formers to make the experience enlightening and entertaining.


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