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Hello and welcome to Stormont Today. Coming up in the next half hour: The | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
Deputy First Minister urges his Assembly colleagues, once again, to | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
get the ball rolling on the Haass proposals. What we need to do is | :00:33. | :00:40. | |
show the public right across society that we have the ability to tackle | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
these difficult issues. With under-18s to be banned from | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
buying electronic cigarettes in England, the Health Minister says it | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
could happen here too. I know these cigarettes are being used by smokers | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
as an alternative and it probably is a better alternative than smoking, | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
but I don't think it is any alternative to get youngsters under | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
18 hooked on nicotine. And our political reporter, Stephen | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
Walker, joins me to cast his eye over the day's events. | :01:11. | :01:17. | |
In what has become a fairly common stance for him, the Deputy First | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
Minister was again voicing his frustration at the lack of progress | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
over the Haass proposals. Martin McGuinness was on his feet during | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
questions to the Office of the First and Deputy First Ministers this | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
afternoon. While the past was a focal point, so too was the future | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
and who will be the Attorney General come May. The Deputy First Minister | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
will recall in the autumn that the First Minister said that he and the | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
Deputy First Minister will be reaching a | :01:47. | :01:57. | |
Deputy First Minister will be and what further information can the | :01:58. | :01:58. | |
Deputy First Minister give to this House? Well, I can give no further | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
information to the House other than to state the position that we | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
recognise that come May this year the position of Attorney General | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
needs to be filled. We've had a discussion about that in the course | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
of the last seven days. And we do hope to be in a position very | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
shortly to make an announcement. Given the issues that the Attorney | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
General has involved himself in, does the Deputy First Minister think | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
he has strayed outside his remit? When he was appointed we invited him | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
to undertake the nonstatutory role of adviser to the executive. He has | :02:41. | :02:49. | |
a range of responsibilities, 22-5 of the Justice Act 2002 requires him to | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
exercise his functions independently of any other person. There may well | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
be timed when the statutory role action ways that others might | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
consider unhelpful. And there may be times that we as an executive differ | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
from his views but it what be wrong to curtail his actions when had ea | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
acting in an independent statutory role. Both the Minister and the | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
deputy Minister will be aware that the evidence given by the Sisters of | :03:22. | :03:29. | |
Mercy nuns was described as haphazard and piecemeal. Will the | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
Minister be able to give her view as to where she sees obligations of the | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
institutions such as the Sisters of Nazareth in order to co-operate | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
fully with this inquiry? Well, just to say to the member, you've asked | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
for my view, and really there couldn't be anything more dreadful | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
than what those people had to go through, and particularly the | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
vulnerability of those children, because they had nobody to turn to. | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
Really, I have to say that anyone should be approaching this inquiry, | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
on should be approaching this inquiry, | :04:06. | :04:05. | |
evidence should be doing it with should be approaching this inquiry, | :04:06. | :04:16. | |
organisation they are from. Mr Speaker, can I ask the Deputy First | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
Minister, given our commitment to the ongoing Haass process, can the | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
Deputy First Minister outline his view on the next steps? Well, I | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
think the next steps are very clear and they are in the public domain. | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
The party leaders in the Assembly have met now and two occasions, will | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
meet again tomorrow. That will probably be a lengthier meeting than | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
the first two. I think there is a huge responsibility on all of us to | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
find a way forward on these three contentious issues. I think i in | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
incumbent on all of us to be positive and constructive and to | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
recognise that the lot of politician among the general public isn't | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
great. I find that embarrassing. I think that what we need to do is | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
show the public right across society that we have the ability to tackle | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
these difficult issues. We've tackled even more difficult issues | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
than this in the past. Our political reporter, Stephen | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
Walker, is with me. The Haass process came up again during today's | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
Question Time, do you detect any sign of significant movement there | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
at all? In a word, no. We are in limbo land. The Haass talks broke up | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
on New Year's Eve. We had a series of meetings in January. We've got | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
another meeting tomorrow. We are told that tomorrow's meeting will | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
last around four hours. That the will be the longest meeting sips the | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
talks broke up. Certainly talking to parties tonight there's no sense | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
that parties are coming tomorrow, there's no expectation there'll be | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
consensus tomorrow. The problem is this, there is no consensus on | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
what's contained in the Haass proposals and there's no consensus | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
on the way forward. And lack of consensus but clear tensions between | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
Sinn Fein and the DUP about what happens next as far as the proposals | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
are concerned? happens next as far as the proposals | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
they were highlighted, when you did happens next as far as the proposals | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
McGuinness, he talked about the Americans possibly, hoping this | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
process could be wrapped up by March, and he said he was fed one | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
that process. Peter Robinson gave an interview and said this wasn't Sinn | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
Fein's process and accused Martin McGuinness of being a dictator. He | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
said this was all about consensus and moving forward. This didn't | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
belong to one party but all five. That gave an indication of the gulf | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
that exists between Sinn Fein and the DU puxt. We'll watch tomorrow | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
afternoon's meeting with interest. In the meantime the Attorney | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
General's future was raised during Question Time. Yes, we had a | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
reference to it there with Martin McGuinness. We were told last year | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
this whole issue of John Larkin remaining as Attorney General, or | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
whether he would go on to another job, we were told this issue would | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
be wrapped up by now. You get a sense of frustration among | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
politicians that they want a decision and want to know what is | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
happening about John Larkin's future. He's been a controversial | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
figure. The controversial views on adoption and abortion. Recently he | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
gave an interview, talking about offences during the Troubles. I | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
think there was a feeling from some parties here, they want closure. | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
They want to know, is John Larkin staying? Or if he is going, what is | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
the the process for the next Attorney General? Are we clear what | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
timetable we might be talking about in terms of clarity, knowing if he's | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
staying or not staying, presumably they've got to put in place plans | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
for finding a successor? No-one has mapped out the timetable. What we do | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
know is his term of office expires in May. Here we are in January, so | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
if he was going, and there was to be a successor, clearly you would have | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
to have an advertisement, a short-listing, a process in place. | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
But as of yet we don't know anything about that. For now, thank you. | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
One of the biggest pieces of legislation facing the Assembly was | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
debated today - the Public Service Pensions Bill. The changes | :08:38. | :08:47. | |
debated today - the Public Service one from Jim Allister which called | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
for changes surrounding pension payments to the widows of police | :08:50. | :08:58. | |
officers who died while in service. Arguably this is the most | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
significant piece of legislation to come before this chamber thus far in | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
this mandate, and therefore it is important at this last stage when | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
amendments can be tabled that we can try to reconfigure the Bill as best | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
we can in the interests of the people that will be affected, the | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
230,000 people that will be affected by the Bill on the far side of royal | :09:20. | :09:27. | |
assent. What all that reveal me, Mr Deputy Speaker, is this House needs | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
to be vigilant about this pensions legislation, because the Treasury | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
and George Osborne and his team aren't finished with this yet. As I | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
say, we are talking about a small number of widows in very particular | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
circumstances, yet the objections from with Whitehall departments has | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
been that to amend the regulations would breech principles such as | :09:49. | :09:56. | |
retro specktivity and parity. The Minister hasn't found a resolution. | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
Mr Allister says the Bill offers an opportunity to address this issue | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
and the Alliance Party has sympathy with the widows. I've met with one | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
of the widows in this circumstances, who lost her husband, who was killed | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
because of the job le was doing. She had very I don't think children and | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
is now in a position where she would seek to remarry, but the financial | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
consequences of doing so are very severe. Therefore, has been stuck in | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
the position for quite a number of years now, wanting to do the right | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
thing according to her faith, because this individual is a | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
Christian and they want to honour those principles that she lives by. | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
But in doing so, these regulation would bring a great deal of | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
financial hardship in that particular circumstances. | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
Unaccustomed as I am that in respect of this particular | :10:51. | :11:05. | |
amendment. Let's be very clear, Mr Deputy Speaker, the purpose of this | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
amendment is to bring equality of treatment to all police widows. | :11:13. | :11:20. | |
Because at this moment in time, we have an inequality in regard to the | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
retention of lifelong benefits by widows, because since the changes | :11:28. | :11:35. | |
made under the new regulations of 2009, a new widow, to put it in | :11:36. | :11:44. | |
those terms, retains her lifelong benefits upon remarriage. I have to | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
say I welcomes amendments 15 and 19, the content of this proposed new | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
clause is something I understand the Minister of Justice has previously | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
been petitioned on by several representatives, including Mr Given, | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
who mentioned Diane Dodds and Geoffrey Donaldson and the Justice | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
Committee, and Mr Allister as well, to make a change for police widows | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
and widowers as well. It is gender blind in Northern Ireland. I | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
certainly can understand that and share Mr Allister's concern on the | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
inconsistencies between police pension scheme legislation in | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
respect of pensions paid to police widows and widowers on remarriage. | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
The regulations were less generous overall, provide for lifelong | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
benefits to be paid to the surviving spouse or nominated partner of a | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
police officer. I realise that what we have before us today is a | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
sensitive issue. It is especially emotive for those in the situation | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
who've lost a wife of a husband or a partner who served in the police. It | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
is patently unfair for the survivors of police officers, whether in the | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
royal Ulster Constabulary or the Police Service of Northern Ireland | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
to be treated differently. And that amendment from Jim Allister | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
was passed. You can catch up with the entirety of that marathon debate | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
on Democracy the entirety of that marathon debate | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
with England in the entirety of that marathon debate | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
Edwin Poots was speaking during Question Time, when he was also | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
asked how he would spend the extra money recently given to his | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
department by the Finance Minister last week. Can I ask the Minister to | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
detail how the ?30 million allocated in the January monitoring round will | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
be used? I thank the member for that question. There's a series of things | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
that we will have to invest in. As I indicated to the House, one of the | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
areas where we identified that we were having particular issues and | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
problems was in children identified as children at risk. I think it will | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
shock many members of the public to learn that we have hundreds more | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
children now identified as children at risk this year than we had last | :14:01. | :14:07. | |
year. I think that will be to do with the issues highlighted on | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
television, relating to Savile and many other personalities mostly | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
associated with the BBC. That has brought that to people's attention. | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
?5 million is being spent on that. There are a number of other areas, | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
including urgent care, including elective surgery and so forth that | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
we will want to continue to support, because we've been making a real | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
dent on many of the waiting times that existed. People are receiving | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
care at a much more appropriate time. There's a whole series of | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
things that we will be spending that money on. While we are continuing to | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
attempt to save money within the system, and that is always a | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
challenge to us, to ensure that we have as efficient a system as | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
possible. If we don't deliver efficiencies, we deny people | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
services, because we are spending money on things that are un. The | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
Minister will be aware that the Government at Westminster are | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
bringing forward an amendment to the children and families Bill that will | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
outlaw to sale of e-cigarettes to under 18s. What sacs will | :15:19. | :15:33. | |
outlaw to sale of e-cigarettes to will need to be looking at how we | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
can quickly assess the situation and carry out some movement on it. I | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
will speaking to my teenage daughter the other day and she was telling me | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
that lots of children in her school are using e-cigarettes. That's | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
something which I would be most unhappy with. I know that | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
e-cigarettes are being used by smokers as an alternative, and | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
probably it is a better alternative than smoking. But I don't think that | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
it is any alternative to get youngsters under the age of 18 | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
hooked on nicotine. I think it is very, very important that we make a | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
full assessment of this and we respond quickly to it and I will be | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
looking closely at what Westminster is doing and see how we in Northern | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
Ireland can move this forward. The took industry -- the tobacco | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
industry has been very good at making smoking appear cool. I have | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
no doubt that people selling e-cigarettes will have no problem in | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
making it appear to be a cool thing to do. Anybody teen is a more | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
addictive substance than heroin. We really need to be challenging the | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
use of nicotine in such a way. We need to be discouraging people and | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
particularly our young people, because two thirds of smokers start | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
smoke whenever -- smoking is when they are under 18. We need to ensure | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
that we are getting the right messages out, and we are taking the | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
right actions to ensure that young people don't start smoking in the | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
first place and they don't believe it is cool, hip or trendy. | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
Health issues are very much centre stage in the Assembly this week. | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
We've just had questions to the Minister of Health, and today's | :17:18. | :17:19. | |
adjournment debate was on nursing staff levels in key hospital wards. | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
Meantime, tomorrow there are two more debates on the current | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
situation regarding Accident Emergency departments. With me now | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
is Janice Smyth from the Royal College of Nursing. Evening to you, | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
thank you for joining us. Good evening. Toe Ed a -- today's motion | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
on staffing levels called on evening. Toe Ed a -- today's motion | :17:36. | :17:52. | |
the Minister's going to make about increasing staffing levels in some | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
of our wards and in our communities. So you think there is movement there | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
imminently from the ministry? He hasn't quite spelled it out yet. He | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
hasn't given the detail yet but we've been involved in a piece of | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
work. The Minister was giving that due consideration, and in fairness | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
to him he was receptive to the concerns that we were raising, so we | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
are hopeful that this is going to be the start of putting some of those | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
things right. And is that a development that members of the | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
public will see when they find themselves visiting hospitals for | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
whatever reason? They are very quick to say when they see problems, do | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
you this I this could put those problems right? Members of public | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
are consistently saying that nurses are too busy. This work is starting | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
in general medical wards and general surgical wards in our hospitals | :18:46. | :18:48. | |
across Northern Ireland. So if there's additional resource to | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
increase the staffing in those clinical places, patients will see | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
it, relatives will see it, and it will improve patient care and | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
experience. We though that A departments have been at the | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
forefront of people's minds since the major incident at the Royal a | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
few weeks ago tnlt chair of the health committee said tonight in the | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
chamber that 36 people at that stage were waiting on trolleys in A at | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
the RVH. People will think, here we go again. 36 too many, and certainly | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
the nurses in that department have been raising concerns about that for | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
a considerable amount of time. There are real issues about our system and | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
how it is coping with the numbers of people coming through our | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
departments, and more importantly the availability of beds to put them | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
into to. It is not just the problems in A People are waiting on | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
trolleys because there aren't beds for them to go on to. That's right. | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
The beds are full and there's nowhere for patients to go. That's a | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
considerable problem and we've seen pressure developing in | :19:57. | :19:56. | |
considerable problem and we've seen department in the Royal | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
considerable problem and we've seen allocated an extra ?30 million to | :20:00. | :20:09. | |
the health Budget. Where do you think that money could best be | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
spent? Where would it help your staff members and members of public | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
who are trying to avail of the service? It would disingenuous for | :20:18. | :20:24. | |
me to say this can be fixed easily, but it can't. If some of that money | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
is to go to staffing, and I'm confident it will, it will make a | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
difference to front line nurses and the care they can give to patients. | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
There's a big er conversation we have about the services we provide | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
in Northern Ireland, and professionals, politicians and the | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
public need to have that conversation together. We'll see if | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
the conversation takes place. For now, thank you. | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
In this week's committee wrap we're looking at the issue of household | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
rates. Each council sets its own level of rates, so what happens when | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
the current 26 bodies are reorganised into just 11 in 2015? | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
Last week the Finance Committee was briefed by the department's head of | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
rating policy on the plans in place to deal with potential anomalies | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
when the new councils come into being. The first element and | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
probably the most significant of this is managing rates convergence. | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
And the development of a transitional relief scheme to | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
protectorate payers who would otherwise face sudden and excessive | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
increases by councils coming together and also by some rate | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
payers moving into Belfast from Castlereagh and Lisburn. Without | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
intervention, they could face significant increases in district | :21:42. | :21:48. | |
rates. So that's our objective. In terms of where we are, the executive | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
took the decision about a year ago I think it was to provide funding of | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
up to ?30 million in total to fund a transitional relief scheme. We have | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
decided and Ministers have decided that the best way of doing this is | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
to allow councils to strike their rates in the normal way, and for the | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
discount to be given to relevant rates in the normal way, and for the | :22:15. | :22:22. | |
rate payers on the face of the rate bill. So councils won't have to | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
strike differential rates to edge rates up top a common district rate. | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
That will be applied at a bill level by D P working with DOE. Our current | :22:36. | :22:45. | |
view is that we can develop a reasonably generous scheme in terms | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
of stepping increases over a three or four-year period and all the | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
modelling that we've carried out with colleagues in DOE suggests that | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
this is doable within ?3 million of funding. Our main concern is to how | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
we get this to operate alongside a domestic re-evaluation, which takes | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
effect on the same date. That's what's causing us a head ache at the | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
moment. I'm sure we'll be able to find a way around that. On its own, | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
a transitional relief scheme for RPA is both workable, deliverable and | :23:22. | :23:30. | |
affordable, in our view. In terms of the ?30 million for the transitional | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
scheme, can you elaborate on how that figure was arrived at? You said | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
you are reasonable assured that it will be within that... I don't know | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
what the district rates are going to be next year. That's a big unknown | :23:47. | :23:56. | |
and we don't know the impact of a non-domic re-evaluation. I think | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
that should do it. In terms of a scheme that will at least protects | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
rate payers from some - all rate pay here's would face sudden increases | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
as a result of councils coming together. | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
A snapshot of proceedings from last week's Finance Committee. | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
If you were watching last Tuesday's programme, you may remember this | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
exchange between the Deputy Speaker, Roy Beggs, and UKIP's David McNarry | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
during questions to the Finance Minister. I call | :24:27. | :24:39. | |
during questions to the Finance was a meaningful warning about the | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
ruling on debts or call-ups by the Treasury which could Ed up in 200 | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
million if we don't do something about this. It is time we did do | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
something about it. Since April 2007 prices have risen by 18%. Can we | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
have a question, please? Pardon? Could we have a question, please? | :25:02. | :25:10. | |
Can I repeat Mr Deputy Speaker where I because in the middle of a | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
question? Could I have a question please shortly or we will move on. I | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
will tell you what, Deputy Speaker, I will sit down. I don't lie the way | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
you are doing. This OK. Well, back in the chair this | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
morning, the Speaker, William Hay, referred to an "incident" last week. | :25:30. | :25:37. | |
I want to put on record my concerns about an exchange that took place | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
between a member and a Deputy Speaker during Question Time last | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
Tuesday. I have to say Hansard on this particular issue is not good | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
reading. It is not that long ago I reminded the House that the | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
authority of the chair is always the same, regardless of who is presiding | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
over business in the chamber. Members think that because I'm not | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
in the chair, they can be discourteous to Deputy Speakers and | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
challenge their rulings, they need to think again. Members though that | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
if they stray from the normal rules, they can expect whoever is in the | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
chair to intervene. The chair gives a direction, it should be respected. | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
And should not be challenged at any time. Certainly I will be keeping a | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
very close eye on this particular issue. Our political reporter, | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
Stephen Walker, is with me. What is this row all about? We can only | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
assume it is about that encounter that we just witnessed between | :26:45. | :26:56. | |
individuals. We can only assume it was this encounter between Roy Beggs | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
and David McNarry. What we do know, and David McNarry confirmed this, he | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
was trying to ask a question during the finance questions. There was a | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
preamble and Roy Beggs pushed him to come up with a question. I suppose | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
David McNarry was frustrated and he sat down and he complained about the | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
way he was being treated. And we had this intervention today from the | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
Speaker, saying there needs to be respect for the authority of the | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
chair. It is all a bit of a storm in a tea cup, but you get these things | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
in the cut and thrust of the debate. Nuclear tr nuclear -- David McNarry | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
believes that the reference was to him. Is he remorseful about Roy | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
Beggs? He feels he was being respectful, that there was a | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
preamble, and he was getting to his question, so he feels he was | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
behaving properly. Not the first time that the Speaker has issued a | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
warning to members. No, we had a warning last year when a number of | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
members were named, and a warning in 2010, so these things happen from | :28:05. | :28:12. | |
time to time. Willie Hay was making it clear there is a code and members | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
should abide by it. He said some members are more respectful to him | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
than they are to Deputy Speakers. He said it doesn't matter who sits in | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
the chair, there has to be respect. And the bottom line is the Speaker | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
is right even when he is wrong? That's always the joke isn't it? | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
David McNarry says he is going to have a conversation with the | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
speaker. The speaker has made his position clear, that he wants | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
respect from the members. I don't suspect there'll be a meeting of | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
minds during that meeting. You would like to be a fly on the wall | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
wouldn't you? That's it for tonight. Join me again tomorrow at 11.20pm on | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
BBC Two. Until then, from everyone in the team, good night. | :28:55. | :28:57. |