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Hello and welcome to Stormont Today where nothing causes division quite | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
like the issue of unity. And it's the Ulster Unionists who are | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
getting themselves into a bind with David McNarry cast into the | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
wilderness. And a leader who's unrepentant. Clearly once you see | :00:43. | :00:52. | |
someone talk about the possibility in the future of the DUP Golding | :00:52. | :01:02. | |
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beat First -- holding the First Minister's post it is beyond a joke. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
From a new position in the chamber, Mr McNarry can still see the funny | :01:11. | :01:18. | |
side. It is called on this side of the house, if there is anything you | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
can do to warm it up I would be very grateful. And we talk Irish | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
language and ask where is the promised Irish language Act? So is | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
David McNarry a scapegoat for unhappiness in the UUP ranks? Did | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
he get what he deserved or did he over-react? We'll hear from him in | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
a moment. But first, our political correspondent Martina Purdy spoke | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
to Tom Elliott this afternoon. She began by asking him what it was | :01:38. | :01:45. | |
about the Belfast Telegraph interview that had annoyed him. | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
Ulster Unionist Party have been calling for better it union -- | :01:51. | :01:58. | |
unity in the party. David McNarry had intimated to me that he was | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
carrying out an interview with the Belfast Telegraph the following day | :02:02. | :02:08. | |
and I said to him to use the line issued on the press statement but | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
unfortunately he went above and beyond that. There was no way he | :02:13. | :02:20. | |
was not talking to the DUP. He was the liaison officer. He went beyond | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
his remit. A what specifically did he say to upset the party? The area | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
I wanted to deal with was to ensure that members were informed of any | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
talks or progress so that they would not read it in the media. | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
Just a few days before I had updated the party Executive on any | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
discussions we were having with other parties and progress on the | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
justice minister review. Clearly, once you see someone talk about the | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
possibility in the future of the DUP holding the First Minister | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
position and the Ulster Unionist Party holding the junior minister, | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
that is way beyond the remit. used that line about junior | :03:06. | :03:13. | |
ministers? That was a line he used. I think we need to be clear about | :03:13. | :03:20. | |
this. David McNarry removed the deputy chair of the education | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
committee. I did not remove the whip from him or suspend him. I | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
have known him for a long time and a lot of our party members do not | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
have the opportunity to have advised cheer or chairmanship of | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
committee. All I was doing was the moving him in position. We did you | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
first read the article? I was actually over in Scotland and I | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
picked it up that morning and I saw it over in Scotland. Obviously I | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
would not say I was surprised because to be fair to David, he | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
phoned me the day he had done the interview and indicated and I think | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
he realised my annoyance when he indicated some of the things he had | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
said. I don't think he went into all be detail but he certainly gave | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
me the brought out line and he certainly realised my annoyance | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
even at that stage. When he phoned to tell you about the interview you | :04:17. | :04:25. | |
were annoyed with him? Yes. David McNarry can give us his view of | :04:25. | :04:35. | |
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events. He says you went beyond your remit, is he right? I do not | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
know what the remit is that he is talking about. I am sitting here | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
talking to you and I have sat in this studio before talking to you | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
and the remit as you lay down as the interviewer, I have no idea of | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
what you will ask. Is anyone suggesting I would do an interview | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
with a professional journalist of long-standing and tell them a | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
parcel of lies in response to direct questions? I really do not | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
do that. I am trained to dodge questions but I am never and never | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
have gone into line to any member of the media. He seemed to have | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
particular issue with the DUP First Minister and an Ulster Unionist | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
junior minister, did that come off the top of your head or was that | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
something discussed with Tom Eliot or other people you had been to | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
talks with? Tom Eliot was well aware of that idea as you call it. | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
It was an example and nothing else. An example of how corporation in | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
the current Assembly might be displayed and that is all it was, | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
an example. Surely you would have known there would be members of | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
your party who would have all been the Belfast Telegraph on the Monday | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
morning and be very surprised to read what they read. It was not my | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
call to tell members of the Unionist Party. The issues that I | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
was dealing with, I was dealing with as part of a panel. This | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
novelty I have heard of a liaison officer is news to me. I was picked | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
as part of a panel. I would use the word hand-picked by the leader as | :06:21. | :06:29. | |
part of a panel of four are to go into these discussions. Four | :06:29. | :06:37. | |
members of my party to be surprised, I have heard some of those who have | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
expressed this surprise. Maybe they should be asking themselves, if | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
they are so trusted by the leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, why | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
were they left out of the loop? Why did they not know? It certainly was | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
not my position to tell them. about these other members of the | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
panel, who were they? I am not going to say, that would be unfair. | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
I am not going to say who they are. I know who they are run by a quite | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
clear who they are. Have they stood up for you in their discussions? | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
do not know what discussions have taken place in my absence but what | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
I do know is that in private they understand fully aware I am coming | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
from. The understand my distress at what has happened and they would be, | :07:27. | :07:34. | |
in my opinion, supportive. Have you over-reacted by resigning? He said | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
it was only the committee chairmanship he was taking away. | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
The committee chairmanship is important in terms that it is an | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
office we hold as apartheid. I was greatly privileged to hold that | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
deputy chairmanship. In many ways it is symbolic in that sense. In | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
taking it away from me was nothing other than an outright punishment. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
I do not mind being punished if I have done something wrong. I have | :08:05. | :08:11. | |
not done anything wrong and I have yet to hear anybody tell me, | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
especially Tom Eliot, that I have done something wrong. But have you | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
over-reacted? Surely you could stay within the party then, you did not | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
have to a sign -- the resign from the Assembly group? The manner in | :08:26. | :08:33. | |
which Tom be laid my sacking was on a mobile phone while driving a car. | :08:33. | :08:41. | |
Now I have been a member of this party for quite a long time and | :08:41. | :08:48. | |
there is a thing called respect. To really that news to me on his way | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
to a meeting by mobile-phone seemed quite disrespectful. Do you think | :08:55. | :09:05. | |
his leadership is vulnerable now? In terms of where Tom goes, the | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
situation in the party for some time has been that there are two | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
floating agendas. I have advised him to be cautious about those | :09:15. | :09:23. | |
agendas. I have pointed out to him that those agendas are not loyal to | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
him as I have been. They are not in the best interests of Unionism as I | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
would be. He needs to be cautious. He has now made himself a prisoner | :09:33. | :09:40. | |
of those two agendas. Which, I may say, are a separate agenda as by | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
separate people. Has he backed the wrong horse? Could you bring him | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
down in some way or attempt to do that? It is not a case of backing | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
the wrong horse. True friends do not do what he has done. That just | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
does not happen in my circle. what happens next? What is next for | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
you? I am at work. My place of work is Stormont and my constituency | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
office. I am out and about doing what and MLA does. This is my place | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
of work and I am here. I intend to carry on with my work. Can you see | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
yourself back in the fold, back in the Assembly party? I do not. | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
think that is it, that is the end of the Ulster Unionist Party | :10:35. | :10:44. | |
Assembly group? I will be very frank with you. I protected Tom in | :10:44. | :10:51. | |
this storm. I am quite amazed about this story because it is not a | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
story. The story that this is all about is the outcome. Will the two | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
Unionist parties get together as I and many others wish or will they | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
not? That is the outcome. That is still some distance away. I had | :11:09. | :11:16. | |
protected Tom in spite of, and when I saw his reluctance, to say what | :11:16. | :11:24. | |
was really happening, it is a question of honour as far as I am | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
concerned. My integrity has been put into the public domain. I will | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
fight to maintain my integrity. True friends, as they say, do not | :11:36. | :11:42. | |
do what has been done to me. What will be your next step? My next | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
step is the step I took to be where I found that called place in the | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
Assembly. I hope I will warm it up a bit and I will continue with my | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
work. Will you stand as an Ulster Unionist at the next election? | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
next election is three or four macro years away. At this moment in | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
time I know what I am doing tomorrow. Thank you for joining us | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
tonight. You don't need to be a history buff to know that there are | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
quite a few significant centenaries coming up. Titanic may not be | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
controversial but the Ulster Convenant, the Easter Rising, the | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
War of Independence and partition are likely to stir up debate. And | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
it's up to the Culture minister to walk that tightrope. We'll hear her | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
plans shortly. But first, it wasn't so long ago that the cattle disease | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
brucelosis was rarely out of the farming headlines but things have | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
come a long way in a short period of time as the Agriculture minister | :12:35. | :12:45. | |
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told members today. I am pleased to stay there are only four cases of | :12:46. | :12:54. | |
this in 2011. Our last confirmed outbreak was on 14th July, 1920 11. | :12:54. | :13:02. | |
Our conferment cared incidence rate is down to 0.045 %. There are only | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
seven herds presently under restriction. I think that is a | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
remarkable achievement and that figure may have been a lot lower if | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
it had not been for the two infection hot spots that developed | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
infection hot spots that developed back in 2010 which were | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
attributable in part to reckless activities by some hared keepers. | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
Despite all of that there is good progress. We should not be | :13:27. | :13:35. | |
farmers report any abortion of their cattle. It is also important | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
goodbye as security is maintained. Eradicating this by 2014 is one of | :13:41. | :13:50. | |
our proposals in Government. Achieving the status of being free | :13:50. | :14:00. | |
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from this is our aim. Good news as well for her the new EU protected | :14:06. | :14:14. | |
status region. The can I thank the Minister for her response and for | :14:15. | :14:23. | |
giving the comfort spot on to the EU quality food list last week. | :14:23. | :14:31. | |
These potatoes, and also local apples are all coming, it is | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
positive for our industry. We will the Department celebrate, | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
commemorate or obliterate? So it never can centenaries and events | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
during the decade ahead provide us all with the opportunity to gain a | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
greater understanding of our shared past and how it shapes and identify | :14:51. | :15:01. | |
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his relations today. My department is refunding its Ulster Covenant | :15:01. | :15:09. | |
resource in historic content. A BBC programme will be transmitted in | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
September of this year. There will be a Belfast City Council | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
exhibition opened in City Hall this August. Exhibitions and talks on | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
the covenant are being planned by museums and libraries. I am | :15:27. | :15:34. | |
supportive of these plans to hold a lecture series exploring historical | :15:34. | :15:44. | |
content of the period 1812 to 1922. I am not exactly overwhelmed by | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
that answer. We are entering an important phase in the history of | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
Northern Ireland. We are leading up to the foundation of Northern | :15:54. | :16:04. | |
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Ireland. We can celebrate the fact that we as an integral party of the | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
United Kingdom has survived 100 years and intend to survive another | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
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The list of events is conclusive. It is not triumphalist. It is | :16:30. | :16:38. | |
inclusive. We are trying to build better relations. Not beating | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
chests. So, if the member is genuine about the events and we | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
hope to bring forward over the next decade, I would be happy to write | :16:48. | :16:56. | |
to him. Language and the strategies for Irish and Ulster has Scotts. | :16:56. | :17:05. | |
The Executive has included a strategy for the Irish language. | :17:05. | :17:12. | |
The programme for government is for consultation. Following the | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
consideration of responses, I would intend to set out a timetable on | :17:18. | :17:26. | |
both strategies. I am committed to taking this forward with the 1990 | :17:26. | :17:36. | |
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Nate -- 1998 Act. It aims to protect the language and culture. | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
Will the minister ensure the strategy is meet the needs of the | :17:41. | :17:47. | |
languages and concentrate on how they will be funded? I cannot give | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
the members assurance in terms of when the consultation has started | :17:50. | :17:57. | |
that it will be a robust consultation and that I can give -- | :17:57. | :18:04. | |
I can give them. They will have to decide what funding they wish to | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
allocate. The fact it is included as an Executive building block | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
within the draft programme, I would expect colleagues to ensure funds | :18:14. | :18:21. | |
are in place. There language strategy it should be sorted soon, | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
but what about the Irish Language Act? | :18:24. | :18:32. | |
The culture post was held by three DUP in the previous mandate. It is | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
now held by Sinn Fein. I you encouraged by what you heard from | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
the culture minister? The minister has made stronger and clear | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
statement since she took up the post. In many ways, there have been | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
more positive references to the Irish language in that short period | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
of time than in the previous three years. It is welcome. There are | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
stumbling blocks in front of any process to end that the Irish | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
language. The Irish Language Act was a commitment given by the | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
British Government so. Even if Stormont were willing to bring it | :19:16. | :19:23. | |
in tomorrow, there would be issues they could not legislate on because | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
if issues such as broadcasting. There will always need to be | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
pressure coming from those at Assembly level who are sympathetic | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
to the Irish language and who understand the reality of the | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
situation. For people who do not know about the area, what practical | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
difference to the Irish language speakers with the act make? | :19:47. | :19:54. | |
Irish Language Act, if it is strong enough, if it is based on rights, | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
will clarify the duties of government and the public sector in | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
relation to Irish speakers. It will clarify what we can expect to have | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
and what services and what timescale that will be done. It | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
will cut-out frustration and time wasting and uncertainty that | :20:15. | :20:22. | |
currently exists. It will enable the state to make strategies and | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
put in place measures that it can bring in over a period of time. | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
you concerned about the financial aspect? For some departments, it | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
may seem further down the list given the straitened times? | :20:38. | :20:48. | |
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Tsar areas, -- who these are areas where the language -- Irish | :20:49. | :20:59. | |
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Language Act will cut across. Irish speakers are saying we pay taxes | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
and we need to have a share of services that can meet the needs we | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
have. Up until now we have been excluded. Those need can be met | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
without the necessary huge -- necessarily huge additional cost. | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
The ongoing detention of Marion Price he was return to prison last | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
year was the main debate in the chamber. This motion called on the | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
Justice Minister to press the Secretary of State to review his | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
decision. There was no support from the Unionist pensioners, despite | :21:34. | :21:44. | |
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the best efforts of SDLP to convince them otherwise. It was not | :21:44. | :21:54. | |
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subject to the licence. The Secretary of State cannot find | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
written details. Mr Speaker, I make the point clearly. There is | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
something suspicious when the Northern Ireland Office cannot find | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
the document. They are either withholding it or too embarrassed | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
to share it. The Justice Minister of master raised this about | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
processes within the prison system that are bought into doubt with | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
this case. This community is content that people abide by the | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
law. When they break the law, they serve their sentence until released. | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
Marion Price were sentence for matters almost 40 years ago. She is | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
in prison and has been treated appropriately. Hopefully, at some | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
point in the future, the sentences and regime that will bring charges | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
will do so and we can see the outcome of the judicial system but | :22:51. | :22:59. | |
the judicial system at the moment should seek its course. I note with | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
concern the continuing detention. But I am not convinced I should | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
have particular concern. I am told she is vulnerable. Perhaps being in | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
prison is the best place at times for vulnerable people. People mix | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
up justice, sometimes mercy with revenge. What I her it was large | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
doses of revenge. Bear this in mind, this woman was released in prison | :23:29. | :23:37. | |
in 1980. -- from prison. 32 years later, 31 years later, she is | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
returned to prison. The person has no right to challenge the basis on | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
which her licence was revoked. will do everything to ensure she is | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
treated in a way that meets her needs, recognising she is in a | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
specific position as the sole category a woman prisoner in | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
Northern Ireland. I will not interfere with due process as it | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
lies to the commissioners, the responsibilities they have and the | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
secretary of state has exercised. Back to the main story. The row in | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
the Ulster Unionist Party. You heard what David McNarry said. What | :24:17. | :24:25. | |
you make of it? My head is full of claims and counter claims. What I | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
think is happening is there is a clear power struggle within the | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
party. You heard David McNarry talk about two agendas. I think he means | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
that those who want to go into our position and seize control of the | :24:41. | :24:48. | |
party and those who want to stay in government and work co-operatively. | :24:48. | :24:58. | |
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Is David McNarry a casualty? Will Tom Elliott for? -- fall down. It | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
is confusing. Tom Elliott spoke about a liaison officer. David | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
McNarry spoke about a panel. He is not spelling out what he means. Now | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
back to Tom Elliott, to ask if the panel exists. These questions will | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
run. I think Tom Elliott giving a substantial of interview, I think | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
he hoped it would go away but I do not think it will. He was decisive | :25:26. | :25:32. | |
about being seen as leading and taking a disciplinarian approach. | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
Other people in the party have talked to the media and they have | :25:36. | :25:43. | |
not had this happen, where they are demoted from a role. It is �6,000. | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
Most of us would not like to lose a job like that. I put it to Tom | :25:48. | :25:55. | |
Elliott, if my boss is upset with me, I do not think it would take | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
him five days to reprimand me and I do not think I would be shocked | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
when it came, in the way David McNarry says he was shocked. If Tom | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
Elliott is saying he is punished because of the line where he talked | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
about a DUP First Minister and Ulster Unionist junior minister, he | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
said it was an idea. It underscores that David McNarry was not talking | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
about a single party. He maintained he was talking about two parties | :26:24. | :26:32. | |
working together. The plot will continue to thicken. There are | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
people... I am hearing different things going on but it sounds like | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
a power struggle. So far, David McNarry has been a casualty of it. | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
Thank you. We can have a final word from Jan | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
it. Where now for the campaign to get the Irish language act? Will | :26:54. | :27:01. | |
held a major event in Stormont in November. We presented proposals | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
the made in 2006. They were agreed proposals for what kind of shape | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
and form the Irish Language Act should have. Those were re endorsed | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
in November. We are Updating the proposals on education because of | :27:18. | :27:26. | |
the growth in that period in education. And on the media, | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
because of digital technologies and things like that. We will be | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
publishing the 2012 version of the recommendations for the Irish | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
Language Act. We will give that to the minister and we would hope it | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
would influence the content of the bill to go before the Assembly, or | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
to go to Westminster, whichever is appropriate. We realistically, what | :27:51. | :28:00. | |
is your best guess, what year? commitment was given in 2006. Since | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
that time three major bodies have spoken about what has happened and | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
the way the commitment has not been fulfilled. United Nations, Council | :28:08. | :28:15. |