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Hello and welcome to the election wrap. Climb-down, clarification or

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U-turn. You choose. Nothing changed, says Theresa May. And social care.

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A Labour big beast makes fun of the Tory change of heart,

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with Jeremy Corbyn, bringing forward plans to scrap university tuition

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as the SNP prepares to serve up a tasty, deilccious , delectable

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The deadline to register to vote on June 8th, is one minute

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And, with expert analysis.

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For the the many, not the few, Nigel Nelson Political

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Editor at the Sunday Mirror and Sunday People, and the Political

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Let's catch up on the latest developments on the campaign trail.

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Theresa May is being accused of making a "major U-turn"

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in her plans to reform the funding of social care in England.

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But, tonight she denied anything of the sort,

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in an interview with the BBC's Andrew Neil.

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But Labour says the lady is for turning.

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And the Conservatives can't be trusted.

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We have not rewritten the manifesto, the principles upon which it is

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written remain the same, we need to ensure that we have long-term

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sustainability and social care, we need to be able to ensure that we

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can fund social care for the future, we are doing the honest thing in

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putting a proposal to the British people. How is it honest to reject a

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cap in your manifesto and four days later say, we are going to have a

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cap, what is honest about that?! What we set out in the manifesto was

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a series of principles, to say to people, first of all, this is a big

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issue, we need to address it and we are being honest that we must fix

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it, and that is what I want to do, I am not going to play politics with

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it, very my head in the sand, that is what Jeremy Corbyn does with it.

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No, you are just going to change or mind on it, apparently. This woman

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is already doing another U-turn! She decided it wasn't parliament that

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decided her view. John Prescott today. Jeremy Corbyn has pressed

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fast forward on plans to scrap tuition fees, saying he will scrap

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them for university students in England this autumn. He says the

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Conservatives have helped students back for too long by helping to

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travel tuition fees to more than ?9,000 a year, the Labour leader

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would like to live the cloud of debt, as he puts it, by making it

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free for people to study at university in England. If we carry

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on with this process of ever rising fares, a threat of lifting the cap

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altogether, what happens? Two things, one, those that have

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achieved enough to get into university, gone through university,

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leave with debts of often ?50,000 and more than that. If they earn

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more than ?21,000, they have to start repaying it, but the debt is

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still there for a long time after that. I'm determined that university

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education should be available for all.

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Not the best of days for Theresa May. All the polls were coming out

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in the Sunday papers yesterday, it is embarrassing, it is a U-turn, I

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thought about bringing in a handbrake so we could all have a go,

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she's beginning to sound a little bit like Bob the builder, I'll fix

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it, fix it. You have to go through this 24, 48 hours, it's

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embarrassing, but there is no way around it. She has done a U-turn.

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The problem is not so much the social care policy, it is, one would

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hope, there is a serious grown-up debate about it, but it is the

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"strong and stable" looks like wobbling... That is the key,

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chipping away that the edifice she herself put up, of being the strong

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leader. "Strong and stable" is a real problem for her, she now looks

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weak and feeble, and that will haunt her through the rest of the

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campaign. I think also, the policy itself is a problem, she is going to

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have to come up with a figure for the cap at some point. You're not

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going anywhere! You are both locked down here. No U-turns from you! So

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is it a cap, a floor, a change of heart? Chris Morris has been trying

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to get to the bottom of today's Conservative social care

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announcement. Social care was away is going to be a big issue, now it

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is front and centre in a big political row. Last week, the

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Conservative manifesto proposed that anybody receiving long-term social

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care in England would be allowed to keep ?100,000 of their assets

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including the value of their home, and no one would have to sell the

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family home to pay for care in their lifetime, that is much aimed. But

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last week the Conservatives also ruled out introducing any cap, or

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maximum amount that anyone would be asked to pay for social care, once

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the first hundred thousand had been taken into consideration.

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Andrew Dilnot suggested there should be a cap on how much anybody has to

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pay for care, in 2015, Tory manifesto supported the idea of a

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cap which was set to be 72,000 at that point. When asked about a

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proposed cap now, in 2017, this is what Jeremy Hunt told the BBC last

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Thursday. Not only are we dropping it, we are dropping it ahead of the

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general election, we are being completely explicit in the manifesto

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that we are dropping it, we are dropping it because we have looked

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again at the proposal and we don't think it is fair. Queue several days

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of awkward conversations on the doorsteps for Conservative candidate

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and four days later, a rather different message from the Prime

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Minister, we will make sure, she said today, there will be an

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absolute limit on what people will need to pay for care. -- cue. In

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other words, there will be a cap, but there is no indication of the

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level at which it might be set. If the cap fits, you've got to wear it,

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what has prompted this change of heart?

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Look at the Sunday Times front page, Tory wobble, as cuts for elderly

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slash lead. The paper had a YouGov poll which

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cut the advanatge to just 9 percent. "The dementia tax backlash"

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was the lead for the Mail on Sunday and it had a separate

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poll, by Survation, which suggested the Tories' lead had

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slipped by 5 points. But it's not just the polls

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and the front pages. There had been reports that

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Mrs May's social care policy had been getting a lukewarm reception

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on the doorstep over the weekend, something the PM found out

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for herself yesterday: I haven't looked into it in detail

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but I was thinking about what your manifesto has to say about the old

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people's savings. Is this the kind of problem that a leader in counters

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because they are so far ahead in the polls? A bit of that, she felt

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comfortable enough to be able to go and do this because you would have

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been as vague as you possibly could and assuming you win power, you

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would do it, partly the idea that she is invincible but it has turned

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out she has not been invincible, it has gone down to single figures, a

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huge drop from where she was, looking at a massive majority, three

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figures, the other danger is, imagine what a three figure majority

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would be, you would not have U-turns like this, the idea would come up

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and she would carry it out. Labour are still way back. Yes, we have a

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long way to go, and it feels like an endless treadmill, for people out

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campaigning on the doorstep, anything could happen, there are

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always blips, there are always stumbles during election campaigns,

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this happens to be a spectacular one because of the U-turn. It will not

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be the first time that the polls may be wrong, they will change again by

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the weekend, I've no doubt, Labour have yet to come up with anything

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other than motherhood and apple pie and lollipops for everyone. That is

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appealing to people. What is interesting is there was a poll at

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the weekend, we talked about it Saturday night, which showed that

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Jeremy Corbyn, for the first time, had actually got a slightly better

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poll rating for personal rating in terms of leadership qualities... I

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can't remember what the question was. It was about ordinary

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qualities. On a personal level low, we have just seen a set piece

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interview from Theresa May, very in control, we know how it works,

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people on the doorsteps will be dealing with their prospective MPs

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and candidates and Jeremy Corbyn is apparently doing quite well in

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face-to-face stuff, I think there is everything to play for. Who knows

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what else might happen. A U-turn like this as far as I can see is

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unique in a general election, I cannot remember anybody else ever

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going back on a policy from a manifesto. It is not just the

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supreme confidence that you could go to your core voters, your reliable

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older voters and do something like that, because you could have still

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done it and said we are going to have a green paper in the autumn, to

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look at, you did not have to lay it out in the manifesto, I think what

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is happening, we are hearing from government and party is all the

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time, a small group of people who are doing stuff and they are not

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asking around, and nobody is saying, do you think how this will play?

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Nobody is having difficult conversation before they go public.

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So what do those people who receive care and those who provide it,

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Our East Midlands Health Correspondent Rob Sissons has been

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speaking to some of those who'd be affected:

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I found I was decimated by the war. -- my father was decimated by the

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war. My father and four brothers were all killed in action. When you

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get older, you get worried about things like that. The state should

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pay. In awful lot of people have made that much money and could

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afford to look after themselves. such a tricky area and it has been

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going downhill for years. If we are going to the nitty-gritty, it is

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difficult. Things change in five years. We will be long gone.

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Means testing for winter fuel payments, getting rid of school

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lunches. Triple lock down to a double lock,

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are these policies put forward precisely because the Conservatives

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are convinced they are going to win? Yes, or they were at the time, the

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one thing you can do by sticking to the manifesto is you do not have any

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trouble in the House of Lords, the House of Lords will not challenge

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policies that have been elected on through the manifesto, so that's

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another reason to do it, but the idea of being quite so detailed

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about this, it is because at this point she thought, I can lose a few

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voters, it will be fine, this is a shoo-in, but she did not realise how

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may voters she would be losing. That is a bit unfair, because some of

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these things are the difficult conversations we referred to. She

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said this at the launch of the manifesto. To be honest, if you

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think, we can't afford this so we will look at it. It is an unusual

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campaigning strategy! You know the convention, and campaigned in

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poetry, YouGov and in prose. -- you know the convention, you campaigning

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poetry, you govern in prose. There is another word we could use but no

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bad language! Labour also turned their attention

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to tuition fees today, and one which sank the political

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aspirations of the Lib Dems after the broken pledge

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of their 2010 manifesto. Labour says it would bring

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forward a promise to scrap tuition fees completely,

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to include students starting This is what Jeremy

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Corbyn had to say. Since the fees have gone up, under

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the coalition government, the numbers of working-class youngsters

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going to university has declined, the number of university

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applications has started to go down, surely we should be investing in our

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future, somebody who does not achieve the profession they want,

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nursing, teaching, medicine in some other form, engineering, whatever it

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happens to be, they lose out but we as a society lose out because we

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have lost a qualified person who can help improve industries, improve

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services. Everyone knew what the answer was to the question, with

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labour providing the answer, how are you going to pay for this,

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corporation tax increase. Do bear in mind when people are adding this up

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that John Donald has got ?250 billion he is going to borrow, and

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so he can pay for all of the policies. You may not want to see

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any more borrowing but it is one of the other, lives could be made

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better and they can afford to do it but it might mean they do not meet

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deficit targets. They need to say that instead of banging on about...

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Maybe they should, maybe they should. Why don't they? Why won't

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they say that? They do not want to admit they are boring, because they

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know what will come back and haunt them is the borrowing, the tax and

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spend. In fairness, the tax might actually raise the money, the

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problem about raising taxes at the higher level is you often don't get

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the return that you are expecting. You also damage business, if you

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bring in a corporation tax, if you do the anti-business stuff, any

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sensible businessman who thinks there will be a Labour government,

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given "Brexit" as well will be planning for the next two or

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three... I'm not quite sure about business, they would say the minimum

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wage will damage them, when it first came in, if they don't like taxes...

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At the level you are talking about, to raise the money Jeremy Corbyn

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needs in corporation tax, businesses will be preparing for how they will

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invest in infrastructure, the extra cost of "Brexit", all of that. The

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idea that they will sit there and say, that is fine, corporation tax

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going up... They are not going to say it is fine, any more than

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anybody else is about anything. I think Labour is being disingenuous

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by not saying, and we would borrow. Good day for Labour. Very good day.

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The mere fact that the polls have come down to where they are... This

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time last week, Jeremy Corbyn looked like he had not got a hope of

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winning the election at all, today, it looks like he could. All right,

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OK. So the former Deputy Prime Minister,

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Lord Prescott, joined Jeremy Corbyn Now remember how many elections I

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have been around, I have been around a while, remember, 1997, after 18

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years of Tories, hospitals were collapsing. There was homelessness

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in our society. Unemployment was high, and we came in and we

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promised. Did we reduce the unemployment to get people back to

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work? Yes! Did we do that? Now we are talking! CHEERING

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Old hands can be useful, even Lord Prescott, remember this from the

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Scottish referendum campaign. At last, the world is hearing the

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voices of the real people in Scotland, there is not a cemetery in

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Europe that does not have Scott 's, Welsh, English and Irish lying

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side-by-side. Let us tell the Nationalists, this is not their

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flight, their country, their culture, their streets. -- Scots.

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This is everyone's flag, everyone's culture, everyone's culture and

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everyone's streets! That was Gordon Brown speaking

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the day before the Scottish independence referendum in 2014,

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some credited him afterwards Lord Prescott was Deputy Prime

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Minister to Tony Blair, one wonders, with the lukewarm reception, the

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lukewarm response to John Prescott, when he first asked for people to

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show appreciation, the achievements of the Blair government, was... The

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break with old Labour, cementing of new Labour, it was John Prescott who

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were sent out as Tony Blair's cannon fodder, if you like, to go and say,

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this is what is going to happen. And were going to get rid of Clause IV.

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Look at these old hands, they are very good. Doesn't matter which

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political party they are, they are interesting and funny because the

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weight of standing for election is completely taken from them. A lot of

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people on the hard left saw John Prescott as a traitor, because he

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did the bidding of Tony Blair. Far more comfortable with Jeremy Corbyn

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than Tony Blair. But he does understand that in order to win, you

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have two... 20 years since he punched a voter, he is a bit of a

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character. At the comedy awards... He got a bucket of water or

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champagne tipped over him, at the Brit awards. The ice buckets

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challenge, or something, wasn't it(!) that was something entirely

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different. I was buying it later on. The Green Party has called for bold

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action on the environment, education, welfare and Brexit

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at the launch of its manifesto. The party's co-leader,

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Caroline Lucas, said they had "very distinct" plans for a universal

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basic income aiming for a "confident

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and caring" nation. This election is about what kind

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of future we want for our children. It is about protecting our values

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of openness, It's about our promise that

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a confident and caring future is possible if we work together,

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if we do politics differently, Sinn Fein has unveiled

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its election manifesto. Their plans include a proposal

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for a referendum on Irish called for a special designated

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status for Northern Ireland and proposals to install

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an Irish Language Act. Their Stormont leader

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Michelle O'Neill said that they were seeing the beginnings

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of a 'new political era'. So this is very much an opportunity

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to tell both the Tories and the DUP again, in the strongest possible

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terms, that we reject Brexit, that we would reject any border,

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that we reject any attempt to put limits on our freedom of movement,

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we reject barriers to That we stand for rights,

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for equality, and for Irish unity. So, what have the SNP

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been up to today? Well, they've been cooking up

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pledges and policies Nicola Sturgeon was getting

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in the mood today, meeting out a few tasters as to what we can expect,

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and giving the voters in Scotland Well, a peanut butter cupcake

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for breakfast is perhaps not the and the cakes were

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definitely a highlight. Now, on a serious note,

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you're here campaigning in the constituency this morning,

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jobs mainly the focus today. Jobs and fairness are, I think,

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at the heart of this election. And when the SNP outlines our

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manifesto tomorrow we will put the protection of jobs, through

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standing against an extreme Brexit, We will also put the issue

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of fairness at its heart as well. We see in equality

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rising across the UK, and more and more people being

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plunged into poverty Bid leaders debate in Scotland

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yesterday, are the SNP feeling confident they will be able to pull

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out all the stops? No, I don't think they are, and I think part of the

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problem is, although it feels like 300 years ago, when Nicola Sturgeon

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launched the promised that there would be Indyref two, only a few

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days later, Theresa May called a general election. -- big leaders

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debate. The polls in Scotland suggest people do not want another

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referendum, or if they do, they are lukewarm about it, possibly as she

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would be about the peanut butter thing she had for breakfast,

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slightly better than a deep-fried Mars bar, I think they are under

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threat, the SNP, Nicholas Durden is an extremely able, good, compelling

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politician but I do think that they are under attack, and they will lose

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some seats. Not least of all because they will be judged on their record

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domestic, if you only have one team which you play, another referendum,

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another referendum, when actually, there are other things going on,

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funding of social care, education, and cuts and things like that, then

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I think they will tend to lose, probably to the Tories. Is it the

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conservatives who stand to gain? Yes, Nicola Sturgeon was taken on

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the hop by the election, she would not have called Indyref two had she

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known there was an election round the corner. Let's move on, though we

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might not know the result, certain things about an election campaign

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are guaranteed, your letterbox will be stuffed with leaflets, and

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politicians will kiss babies at every opportunity. Campaign veteran

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John Hess 's missing something, I will let him explain. This is my 12

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general election campaign but there is something strangely missing from

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this campaign. This is my question for the parties.

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Where are... Where are the election posters! Party campaigners are still

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seeking the prime position to hammer down their political messages, even

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they detect something is different. Social media is important as well,

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we are spending a lot more time doing that on the selection than on

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any other election before us. The youngsters are on social media but a

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lot of the shall we say more mature people who are not social media

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friendly need to see what's happening as well. On a staircase at

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the University of Nottingham, a gallery of iconic posters from past

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elections. It was a classic negative slogan. The irony is that this was

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the Hendon young conservatives, not the unemployed at all, that was

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another irony, this snake, one of the most successful posters of all

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time. Where are they in this campaign? The advertisers have been

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caught on the hop, this entry was not time, advertisers usually need

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time to think these things through. Simply has not been the time to

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generate the posters. VOICEOVER: Eyes on Westminster, that goes for

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more than 1700 election candidates... Screaming Lord such...

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Some election posters are now collectors items, although their

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value at the time is not always appreciated. So, if you feel you are

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missing out on those posters in this snap election, you can always make

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your own. STUDIO: Labour isn't working, Labour's tax bombshell,

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some of those classics, I was trying to think of a Labour poster knocking

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the Conservatives but I can think of any famous ones. We were thinking

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about the demonise, and... That was iconic. I can think of any others,

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Labour isn't working, that was... Not as good as John Hess's main

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poster... What we are not seeing is leaflets in windows... I have seen

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loads. I don't know if voter fatigue has already set in. And posters in

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gardens, that is in the real world. Is this campaign... In an age of

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social media, as the campaign change, a lot of analysis done by

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both campaigns from Facebook and whatever, voting intentions and so

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full, has that taken the fun out of campaigning? I don't know that there

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is any fun in campaigning, having trudged around canvassing! LAUGHTER

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This is a bit of a chaotic collection because it was a snap

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one, people not expecting it, it has taken some time to get the wheels

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moving. It is been sprung on everybody. Even the Tories who you

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would think that notice about it have also struggled. In some parts

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of the country there were local elections as well. So... But I think

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the other thing is, although you say it has been sprung upon people, we

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are so used to doing things at the last minute, it is almost like,

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let's see if the price of this cheap flight goes down by June eight, do

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you know what I mean, that sense of that is how we shop, that is how we

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do things, let's see what happens. That is how we choose Prime

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Ministers, potentially. we'll be back tomorrow

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with another Election Wrap. Thank you for watching.

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Goodbye. 25 degrees today, that was the

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maximum temperature in the south-east

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