Episode 2 The Nolan Show

the Maze beer shrine to Bobby Sands? Also in the programme, from the

streets of Belfast, will this man turn heads on The Voice? He is life

in the studio tonight, ladies and gentlemen. Is it OK for a mother to

pay for her disabled son to lose his virginity? We will debate it. Find

Blocks, Long Kesh. Many names but one purpose, to imprison thousands

of Republican and Loyalist prisoners throughout the Troubles. 13 years

from its closure, the site is once again causing controversy. Because

planning permission has been granted for a controversial peace building

and conflict resolution centre but some unionists are concerned the one

remaining H Block and the prison hospital where Bobby Sands and nine

other hunger strikers died will become a republican shrine. Let's

discuss this tonight. The leader of the Ulster Unionist Party Mike

Nesbitt is with us. From London, Jeffrey Donaldson is with this, too.

Mike, tell us why you are opposed to this. We are in favour of developing

the Maze. It is 360 acres. It can generate huge investment. Thousands

of jobs. But when it comes to the peace centre, there are three

questions we need to ask. One, should we have one? Too, if yes,

what is its purpose? And only then should we ask question three, where

should it be? It appears we have gone to rest and three. And we've

decided for an inexplicable reason for the most divisive plot of land

in the whole of Northern Ireland. If it is about a peace Centre and

bringing people together, why have we chosen the most divisive bit of

land that splits cars? But you don't know if you are against or for it.

am not for it at the Maze. I am not for the peace centre at the Maze.

matter what you will never supported at the Maze? I will not. We have not

had consultation with innocent victims. Something like two dozen

prisoner groups have been consulted about this. Innocent victims have

not been consulted about this. The CCE a have come forward with our

schoolchildren's curriculum and exams have been consulted on

multiple occasions. Does that tell you schoolchildren are going to be

forced to visit this site in the Maze? Jeffrey Donaldson, is that

true? That victims were not consulted about this? It is

absolutely not true. Mike comes late to the game. The question of should

we have a peace centre was looked at in great detail. There were many

meetings with victims groups and individual victims and I myself have

conducted some of those meetings. What is he talking about than?

You'll have to ask him. It is false to suggest there has been no

meetings and no consultations with victims. He is a list. 26 with

prisoner groups. No mention of the Southeast Fermanagh foundation. . .

Where is that from? This list has come from an official group. I was a

minister before Mike got involved. I met many of the victims groups and

we discussed the Maze issue. I've been to Tyrone, I've been to other

parts of Northern Ireland in recent weeks and months to discuss this

very issue. So Mike is being disingenuous. It is not true victims

have not been consulted because they have. And we know they have

concerns, concerns we are seeking to address. The question I want to ask

Mike is if he is opposed to the peace centre being at the Maze,

bearing in mind it is a new building, not within the retained

buildings and the UUP, they supported this peace centre, not

just being at this site, but actually being in the H Block

itself. When the DUP became the largest party, we put a stop to

that. We made it clear we would not support the peace centre being in

those retained buildings. It is not that far away. It is still within

the grounds. So would be many other developments on that site. But the

others aren't controversial. Is your party happy for that to be at the

Maze site? So you are happy for that to happen? If you let me answer, why

did Mike not oppose the planning application for the peace centre

going at the Maze site? The first question any plan asks is is this

the right location? It is a valid planning objection to object to the

location of a proposed development. Not a single member of his party

objected to that planning application. Now he comes

afterwards, just as they did with the listing of the building, only

two politicians went to register an objection to those buildings...

is going to reply to you, Geoffrey! Is this me now? It is you.12th of

February, 2004, a sub group chaired by Edwin pollutes, it was the old --

Ulster Unionists put forward the notion that we would not consider

the concept of part of the site being retained. We said that nine

years ago. What about now? You said it would be shrine. A shrine to

what? What was your headline? was the one person? You spell it

out. My concern is that people will make it a strike -- shrine to the

hunger strikers and prisoners. The focus is on the prison and the

prisoners. Now that is a story but it is not the same story as the

story of the Troubles. This will put an undue focus on prisoners who

were, after all, Victor makers, and not on the victims. I have also been

going around the country listening to victims. I would rather have a

matchbox full of truth than an �18 million shiny building full of

lies. So, Jeffrey Donaldson, is the DUP going to accept the shrine?

course not, Stephen. I lost members of my family murdered by the IRA, I

lost comrades who had served with me to the IRA. I remind Mike it was his

party when they were in the first Minister 's office, David Trimble,

who brought forward the definition of a victim which equates what he

describes as the victim maker with the innocent victims. It is very

well for him to say he is against it, but his party equated the

victims with those very prisoners. He defined them all. His party

defined them all as victims. Spell it out, what is the H Block and the

hospital going to be? It is not going to be anything. It is there,

it is listed, it is not going anywhere. Unfortunately, that is the

case... What is it going to be?The peace centre is a new building,

designed by an architect who designed the memorial to the victims

of terrorism at 911 in New York. He is not going to design a shrine to

terrorism and the peace centre will be the focus for building peace in

Northern Ireland. It will not be about glorifying terrorism. The H

Block and the hospital, will you ban tourists from visiting than? Nothing

has been agreed about what will happen with those buildings. They

are empty. What about the public? No agreement has been reached at this

stage as to any future use of those buildings. The DUP has agreed --

vetoed plans with the buildings and we will not glorified terrorism. We

are absolutely crystal clear, and I can give that commitment on this

programme this evening, we will not support, condo in or in any sense

agreed to anything that would make those buildings a shrine to

terrorism and we can prevent it because we have the strength in the

Assembly. The planning application is through. For the peace centre!

This is going to be built, money is going to be spent, so let's see what

Sinn Fein, if they agree with your words. Let's go to our studio. Now,

text us. Raymond McCartney is in our Foyle studio. He is from Sinn Fein.

Obviously, Raymond, this whole issue is so important to you, given your

past. Let's remind ourselves, it would be worthwhile to do so, let's

remind ourselves, if we can, of how important it has been to you and

what I want you to do at home tonight, if you are text in your

calling, I want you to tweeters as well, let's have a look at this.

are prepared to die, we are special prisoners. You've just heard Jeffrey

Donaldson say there is no way it will be a shrine to hunger strikers.

You will one of those hunger strikers. The whole concept of a

shrine is a misnomer. Right from the moment it closed, there was a

discussion about how best to optimise the use of the site and

Republicans have always argued it is a site of historical significance,

the site should be preserved, and there should be a dialogue on how to

do it, and that is what has unfolded. In recent weeks, we have

seen the latest stage of that process with a planning application

approved, and the remarkable thing about it, and I was on the Long Kesh

develop and group, is that all the developers have all said the best

way to optimise the development was to ensure the historical legacy was

preserved. You can hope all you like but Jeffrey Donaldson reaffirmed

again on this programme there is no way he will support or condone it.

The possibility remains the DUP will ban it from being open to the

public. Let's deal with it in terms of the fact. At present, there is

planning permission and approval for the new building to go ahead.

is the new building. The peace centre. What has got us to where we

are today is a process of dialogue and I think we are continuing that

dialogue and we can achieve a preservation of the site, historical

preservation, and people can have time and space for their story.

band for the public, the DUP will not tolerate the public going into

it. The old prison site. We will have to deal with that at the time.

It is on the table now. Anyone who has examined the site over the last

couple of years have all said it should be a place open to the

public... To tell them what story?A number of stories. What would your

story be? My story would be simple. I was a republican, I was part of

the Republican family, I was a prisoner in Long Kesh, and I was a

prisoner in Long Kesh, and I'm conscious other people have other

stories. But we shouldn't fear for the time and space to tell our

stories. Could you envisage your story being banned from that prison

site? It would be stupid for anyone when they were trying to tell

history or allow history to be told that they would come up with this

idea that a certain part of history will not be taught. It wouldn't

work, it hasn't worked before, it only happens when you postponed the

telling of history or allowing people to tell their story. There

will be no storytelling within the retained buildings, let's be clear

about that. Jeffrey Donaldson said that. People can come up with what

they think the definition of storytelling is. But people have to

be given the time and space. He said there will not be tour guides, they

will not say this is where Bobby Sands died, there will not be any

thing about Bobby Sands. That is people being prescriptive far too

early. There is a bit of a squabble going on. Mike needs reminding that

David Campbell headed up the first panel who examined the site, and the

way forward was agreed by all. Actually, what Mr Campbell insisted

he'd date, -- he did, the building was already listed, and he said he

campaigned against it, but the listed buildings came from direct

rule, not him. That is correct, and the panel which he chaired a greed

from the outset that there would be no selectivity, it was a whole

package or nothing. And when the National sports Stadium fell, the

whole package fell. I have those minutes for you. There is a man here

in the front in the black hat. don't think it should be the Maze

for peace shelter. I think it will become a shrine to terrorism. It

will overshadow what a peace Centre is all about. Why shrine to

terrorism? Why not let all stories be told and interpreted as you want

to? There are Republicans, loyalties, victims, and they all

need to tell their story. And I don't think the Maze is the right

place to do it. Why not? I think it will become a shrine to

republicanism. It will overshadow the peace process. Let's hear from

the guy here with your hand up. don't think that we can forget that

these events happened. Bobby Sands and the other hunger strike is a

renowned throughout the world. It will bring in many tourists. People

will make up their own minds, but it did happen and we can't forget it.

What does Bobby Sands mean to you? He was a member of the IRA, he

committed serious crimes, he went to prison and he starved himself to

dress -- to death under the duress of the RA leadership. I have made

clear that this should not be about eulogising any prisoner who was on

the site. Bobby Sands and the hunger strikers were not the only prisoners

to die in the Maze. Do you give in to a whole litany of thing? For

every prisoner, there was at least one and indeed many victims. We have

to be sensitive to their needs as well. We have got to recognise their

suffering. I want to give you a chance to back down from this in

case you want to reflect on it. also said on the Nolan radio show,

there would be someone they're saying, this is where Bobby Sands

died. There will be nothing inside the retained buildings that will

show where any prisoner died or was interred, because that is not what

this should be about. He is playing hardball. I think Woody has two

avoid is claims that he is under pressure from Mike Nesbitt. What we

have shown in the past ten years is that by a process of dialogue we can

overcome these obstacles. Are you discussions about the development of

the Maze site. But we are absolutely clear, and I will reiterate what I

said. We will not countenance anything in the retained buildings

that would be a bout eulogising terrorists or glorifying terrorism.

I could not be clear on that. go to the retained buildings. There

are visitors from all over the world going to that present site, going to

that hospital. What story do you tell them inside the hospital?

haven't agreed any narrative as to what will or will not be said inside

the hospital, or any part of the prison site. If you go into the

former hospital at the moment, it is completely empty. There is no

intention to put anything inside it. We are not going to go down that

road full pop Serena Hamilton, where are you? You have a particular

reason you are here tonight. You lost your dad. I lost my dad to IRA

terrorists. Two gunmen came in with balaclavas and shot him in the

back. One was a sawn off shotgun and, and a pistol. And how do you

feel about at the centre where all stories are told? I am not for this

peace Centre at all at the Maze, because I believe like many other

victims believe, that it will become a shrine to terrorism, to

republicanism in particular, but to terrorism. The Maze is a prison, and

you went to prison because you committed a crime, you committed

murder, and they should be no glorification to that site at all. I

believe that if they put that shrine there, people will tramp on the

graves of our loved ones. Lawrence, you are next Republican prisoner.

You were in 1976. You are a former hunger strike. How do you feel about

that? As a member of this audience has already said, the story of the

hunger strike will live on long after all of us are gone. The place

Long Kesh was opened by Unionists in 1971, and when use week to people,

-- when you speak to people, it was run by Britain. The whole thing from

the start, and I have it on the computer still, it was an inclusive

process. We contacted prison officers. From the very start, the

prison dominates the history of this country, and it dominated because it

you are hearing from the DUP that it is not go to dominate any story. You

will be able to Google it and find out in what cell Bobby Sands died.

Look at this lady beside you. Convince her, she lost her dad, that

you too can sit down and share this. Speak to her now. I am not doing

some soundbite for you. It is not a going on, and they have been going

on for a long time. Laurence McKeown, it is not a soundbite, it

is a real person sitting behind you, she lost her dad to the IRA, and I

am asking you to speak to her and try and convince her why your story

should be told as well. Why? There she is. Everybody's story should be

told. I didn't lose my dad. He was murdered. My father didn't go out to

shoot anybody. He was an innocent, decent law-abiding man in a civilian

job when two gunmen went in and shot him in the back. Whatever propaganda

or whatever group you belong to, murder is murder, and murder is

wrong, no matter where you come numerous people on different sides

in formed in different groups, security forces, Ulster defence

Regiment, RUC, IRA, whatever. There was a conflict. There was no

conflict. It was a terrorist campaign. It is wrong to murder

people. That is not my view. Then you are saying it is all right to go

out and murder people? You murdered that this isn't some project that is

up in the sky. Landing permission has been given. There is money that

will be spent on the grant will be lost. And the question is, can it

happen at that site? When you hear this level of anger? The irony,

going back to 2002, it was the idea of a site that would broaden it out

to be more than just about a hunger strike. It is about learning from

the history of it and the history of that site. So to me it is ironic

that the Unionists are saying, don't have it. If you don't have the

centre, what you are left with is a Northern Ireland is trying to move

on. Instead of living in the past, why not just knock it down

completely. You can't do that. It would be illegal to knock that

building down. You can't have it as a shrine to any paramilitary group.

It is totally wrong. That is in the past. Northern Ireland is trying to

move forward. If you are picking up the phone tonight, you will find the

numbers on your screen. You can just see and hear tonight

how big an issue this is. How do you think it should be resolved?

Many of the speakers are a microcosm of a fractured and divided society.

But there are a number of reasons before you even get near the pollen

ticks of this that it should go ahead. It is a massive public

investment that is giving to create many jobs. -- going to create many

jobs. So it should be very seriously considered from that point of view.

And you lost your mum to the UVF. You honestly saying that jobs should

be in the same sentence as pain and anguish? Know, and I am just coming

to the main reason I think it should go ahead. We can use these verbs,

and I suppose there is no other verb, murder is murder. My mother

was murdered along with a young policeman. I subsequently became a

great friend of David Ervine, who was offering analysis to the same

organisation that murdered her. In many respects, the man that I got to

know, I have to ask your audience, do you think he was a criminal? I

don't. I think most people who were in this jail, over 25,000 over the

years, the vast majority of them would never have seen the inside of

a jail in a normal society, and we have to acknowledge that we have a

different perception of this. thank you.

Mike Nesbitt, but those people who would accuse you of playing to the

gallery tonight, they would also remind you that you were in favour

of releasing the prisoners. All the parties that came into the Belfast

agreement went with that, but it wasn't new. 438 prisoners had

already been released early. So if you port -- support the principles

on being released... Arisen to single ex-prisoner on the streets

today who would still be in prison if we hadn't had early release. It

is over. But if you support the principle of early release, wide to

support the principle of everyone telling their story where it

happened, at the relevant site? Because everybody's story isn't

about being a prisoner in the Maze. Most people's stories, and I'm not

saying don't tell those stories, I'm saying don't tell them on the most

divisive plot of land we have got. So lose the ground if you have to?

We don't have to lose the ground. More people per square mile were

killed in north Belfast than any other consistency. -- constituency.

So if Bobby Sands' death and those like him were going to be marked,

where would be acceptable to you? You would have to agree a narrative,

and they have gone to an agreement about building a centre without

knowing what is good to be in it. is like building a home and then

asking how many bedrooms it has. Where would it be acceptable to Mark

Bobby Sands? You would have to tell the entire story. It is about more

than prisoners and Victor makers. I do not expect that there would be

official tour guides saying, this is the bed where the sainted Bobby

Sands gave up his life. Can't we have two alternative

stories? What happens when a coachload of rich and influential

Irish Americans get off, and they bring flowers to commemorate the

hunger strikers? Do we have to call in the water

cannon? You can pick up the phone tonight if

Now, just before we go on, I want to share something with you that

happened on the radio show this week. Luckily the cameras were there

to actually pick this up. You see, Vinnie, he works on the radio show

as well, and he thought it would be quite cool, a good idea, to surprise

me with a 14 foot- in the studio. It wasn't funny. I didn't find it funny

at all. I turned the tables on him. So, you've brought a snake in?

all about facing your fears. This is a major news programme, I shouldn't

have live snakes in the studio. SCREAMS. You idiot. I'm changing my

mind, this was a silly idea. Oh, my God! I might be sick. You are

wrapping that around your neck. I am going to be sick. SCREAMS. Did you

know fear can hold you back? If you face your fear... It is disgusting,

it is not like heights. You are not food, this has just eaten two

rabbits. I don't... ! OK, OK, you keep hold of the head. I don't like

it. I've got 25 years of working with these. I've been bitten more by

my dogs than by my snake. So you've been bitten by the snake? Could I

speak to you outside? No! This is not funny. No! Brian! The head is

moving towards me. That was Vinnie, ladies and gentlemen.

That's what you get for trying to turn the tables on me. If you do

want to let him know how much of a wuss he is, you've got my phone?

Yes. You can phone him, and even better still, if you've got a video

that you think can beat that, we will bring you down and we will

stick it on the telly. You can e-mail it to us. Send us your

videos, we can get them on the telly.

Now, up until a few weeks ago, my next guest was making a few quid

busking in Belfast in between studying for his A-levels but after

the appearance on the BBC's The Voice, 18-year-old Conor Scott has

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me, you're my sweetheart. I belong with you, you belong with me, you're

my sweetheart. I belong with you, you belong with me, you're my

sweetheart. I belong with you, you belong with

you. That's a long way from busking. It's only round the corner from

here! It's written all over your face, your loving it. It's not bad.

It is a bit hectic, since, you know, three or four weeks ago, and knowing

that everything was happening, because this was done a couple of

months before, pre-recorded, so I had to keep it quiet. It has now

blown up. I am trying to soak it all in and enjoy it as much as I can and

get as much as I can from it. your enthusiasm is infectious. The

reason you are so enthusiastic is because it is genuine. This is what

you want to do from how old? Since I probably figured out music was the

only thing that I really had a proper passion for. Since I was

playing the guitar, since I was nine, I've been trying to sing since

I was 16. Since going to the street sand getting the support and from

there, it is Giggs and everything. You said to me earlier on today when

we met, you said something strange. You said, this is the only thing I

really have going for me. What did you mean? Everything that I do and

everything that I have planned to do, it is gearing towards music.

Even the A-level subjects. And that plan, the planned to go to

university, I am taking a year out. Of course. Everything I do and I

put-in, I try to put 100% effort in. You've got to work hard, it is

difficult to get a break. So, you started busking? That's it. It

started from whenever I was in my GCSE class. My mate said, do you

want to sing a few tunes and we made 20 quits. It was, like, happy days!

It got me some food on the way home. And it evolved from there. I ended

up going out and busking by myself. From the streets of Belfast earning

20 quid, you're finding yourself sitting in a massive BBC studio,

across the water, and you're panicking one of those chairs needs

to turn around. I wasn't thinking about that. I just want to play

music. There must have been a moment, when Danny Swanson around,

that must have... I didn't catch it. I was trying to Intel Dutch, I was

so overwhelmed, I quoted in the corner of my eye, and I'm singing,

and I go like that. What did it feel like? Properly amazing. The fact I

am through with Danny, he knows me, I am getting to know him, it is

being part of the whole show, it is a great experience. What is your

dream? Trust and have a living as being a musician, playing gigs. And

recording songs, and hopefully people would want to join with me.

That is all I want. Do you know what I love about the opportunities the

BBC has given me to do a local show like this? It is basically that we

can have people like you in this studio because what is really

important is we talk about what is wrong in Northern Ireland, but the

enthusiasm, the optimism and people that are driven, like you, whether

or not you make it, stayed driven and believe in yourself. And we will

support you on TV, make. Ladies and gentlemen, give Conor Scott a round

on, shall we give you a quick with us? You can be tweeting. Don't

be sending anything dodgy! Vinnie will be taking the tweets. You can

You can also text us. And I've got to tell you the cost of the text!

Next up, would you pay for your son to lose his virginity if they had a

disability? One mother has revealed this week she used a Belfast escort

to do that. Her only regret? That she didn't do it sooner. If you are

a mother or father, would you consider this for your son or

daughter if they had a disability? Kate Smurthwaite is with me here

tonight and also Johnny Anglais, a porn star and former teacher. What

do you think? Being a parent is a very difficult thing. Part of the

rule of being a parent is to look out for the well-being, the health

and happiness of your child. I'm sure it is difficult for her being

the parent of a distant -- disabled child, but she should be commended.

She has made a recognition that we far too often deny in this part of

the world that human beings have a sexual need and sexual gratification

is an important part of being a human being. She recognises her son

hasn't found that. So was love, affection, so somebody caring about

you. It can occur, but I do not have a religious basis, why should I have

my values dictated to me by other things? Sex is a physical act. It

can be enjoyed just for itself. It doesn't cheapen it? Why should

recognition of sex cheapen anything? Parents saying to a child,

money will buy you that gratification. Compared to many

people going out on a Friday and Saturday night and pay for a bar to

get somebody completely drunk and then have sex with them, consent

which is usually drunken, that is prostitution by proxy that many

people are having. Kate. There are three things wrong. Firstly, the

assumption that disabled people don't have a good sex life. There

isn't. Lots of people have a great sex life. Or a frustrating sex life.

Stop talking about me there. But for the people who are choosing, the

parents who are choosing to pay. this person is not willing to have

sex with you for free, is there really can send their? And I agree

that a person who is very drunk is not able to give consent in a way

that I'm comfortable with. But we are creating a weird and

non-standard system. Will we have the Department for Work and Pensions

coming around and saying, it is not a serious disability, so you can

only have oral sex. But what if because of a physical disability,

you can't. People can. They need help to get out of the house, to go

and socialise. This isn't about being disabled at all. It is about

people who can't form the same relationships as you and I. And for

many people, the fact that they are paying for it, it is a very open and

honest thing. I want to be able to experience sex, like I can't when I

go out and meet people, because for whatever reason... What you are

missing here is the way that money is suddenly having a dig impact on

consent. The guy here in the red T-shirt.

am against it. I think it is wrong is wrong as a man? Yes, I do. You

are putting yourselves in danger. So do many other people, like the bee

but who worked in the factory in Bangladesh.

What is your first name? Paul.That mother wanted her son to experience

what a lot of other big experience, sex. Because of his disability, both

he and his mother felt that would not happen, and she didn't want him

miss out on that. I think it is too close to abuse. I think if you are

disabled, it is not appropriate to do it.

Did you just say, if you are disabled, it is not appropriate to

do it? To do what? At the end of the day, some people

are better off not doing it. That is utter discrimination and an

appalling, disgraceful attitude. is perfectly acceptable to say that

if you are disabled, you are better off not having set. So they are

supposed to have that denied? It may not be consent. It is taking

advantage of somebody who has not got the same choices as everybody

else. I think there is such a big emphasis in this country for a

quality. I don't think physical relationships should be an exclusion

for that. What do you think about what he has just said? I don't want

to get into that. There are psychological implications of being

deprived of something like that. A lot of people, losing your virginity

is a rite of passage, and people should be able to experience that,

difficult to protect, but sex is not a right. In order to have sex,

someone else has to consent to participate in it with you, and you

can't force someone if they don't consent of their own free will. It

doesn't seem that the sex industry is using any reasonable standards to

assess consent. Carl has called us tonight, you have

a spinal cord industry? I am a T12 paraplegic. Prostitution, whether it

be for a disabled person or able-bodied, it is the ultimate deal

with the devil, but it is morality versus practicality. I personally

don't agree with it, for myself as a person. I wouldn't go to see a

prostitute. But since my spinal cord injury, I have been to see a sex

therapist, which is bordering on prostitution being Midson. It is all

a grey area. We need to have somewhere in the middle. It is

morality versus practicality. When it comes to some people, not just

disabled people... Let me get this clear. It is not

good enough EU, you draw the line, you wouldn't do it, but you advise

other disabled people to do it? is not a case of it is not good

enough for me. I believe that it is used wrongly. Sex is too powerful,

too addictive to be sold the way it is. We seem to be forgetting about

the women trapped in the sex industry here. 90%, and I have

worked with a lot of survivors, 90% of women who work in the sex

industry do not want to be in it. The average age of entry into

prostitution is 14. We have to do something to tackle the abuse.

will admit that there is an unsavoury side of any industry. But

there are those who feel empowered to doing it. Yes, but they are in a

minority. You can sell your brain, your hands

to work in a factory, that is not exploitative. Is the vagina cheaper

There is a lady here. Hello, Madame, hello, madam in the glasses. First

of all, I don't agree with this young man beside me. I do agree that

he should have sex in the future. But he ever came to me in ten, 11,

12 years time, and said that he needed CNS Court, my answer is no.

What if he said he needed to see and escort? I want my son to understand

feelings before he understands I have to have a sex life. Sarah -ish

male, a writer and blogger, suffers from cerebral palsy. -- Sarah is

mile. What do you think about parents who would buy set for a

disabled child who can't otherwise get it? I think the option should be

open to disabled people to go for prostitution, just like it is open

to anyone else. But they should be taught and able to realise that that

is not the only option. There are disabled people who are able to find

sexual partners for themselves, and it has taken a long time for people

to realise that, and as long as people realise that and it is only

an option, and not the only option, then it should be open to everyone.

Sarah, would you advise everybody then that it is free choice? Would

you'd say to people, don't buy it, whether you have a disability or

not. Able-bodied or disabled, find somebody who loves you. Don't find

somebody who is going to take couple of quid and walk away and not care

about you afterwards. Find somebody who loves you if you

can, but there are some people who are unable to have a physical

relationship, and they should have the choice to have some human

contact in anyway that is possible. Centres that are opening, there is

one to be planned to be opened next year, to make physical relationships

accessible to disabled people in a safe way, that the workers and the

disabled person understands that is being paid for. Sarah, thank you.

Young man, apparently it is going do loud about you on twitter right now.

Seriously! You don't have to have sex. Have you listened to this lady

here? Yes, but that is one point of view. They should pursue other

interests. God forbid that anything should happen to you that you could

be rendered disabled and still have sexual urges. We shouldn't be

telling anybody how to live their lives. But we shouldn't assume that

disabled people shouldn't have a sex life. We absolutely should not be

reacting with horror when we hear that some of them do. At the same

time, we should recognise that the sex industry has enormous problems

within it, and it is not a good solution. We should deal with those.

Liz, are you there? Hello? I think it was horrendous, that young lad

turning around in saying that disabled people shouldn't have a

normal sex life. If they are in love, why not? Will he answer me

that, please? The guy with the want one to that question or not.

Some people see it as taking advantage of the disabled if you

hazardous able son. I know you but who are disabled and have a good sex

life will stop how can you bring people down like that, and you have

a little smirk on your face yourself? Liz, thank you. Ladies and

gentlemen, we have Becky on the line. I run a service called

paradoxes, that helps people with disability find sex workers if they

are looking for them. I agree with Sarah, that if people with

disability feel that they want to have sex one way or another, then

they should be allowed to do so, and we are here to help people do it

safely and with consent. Becky, thank you very much. Ladies and

tonight. Just to remind you about tickets for the show. If you wanted

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