Episode 1 The Nolan Show

We are back, live on BBC One and here is what we have got. The high

court handling of the loyalist protest, has an impossible job got

even harder? Gay marriage - Stormont says no again as Northern Ireland is

about to go its own way. This is something that is already legal in

the rest of the UK and not yet here for some reason only known to the

DUP. Gary Barlow described her voice as incredible, Sam Bailey will be

singing live in this studio tonight. And Belfast boxing star Carl

Frampton is on the brink of the world

Frampton is on the brink of the tonight with his manager, Barry

McGuigan. And we tonight with his manager, Barry

opponent to take him on. We start tonight with breaking news.

Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has been arrested in connection with the

1972 murder of mother of ten Jean McConville. He presented himself to

the police the seasoning and was arrested. Here is what he said about

the case. Brendan Hughes alleged there was only one man who gave the

order for that murder. Batman is the head of Sinn Fein. That is what

Brendan Hughes said. Did you give the order for the execution of Jean

McConville? I had no active part to play in either the abduction, the

killing or the burial of Jean McConville or any of these other

individuals and Brendan was telling lies. Jean McConville was a

37-year-old widow, abducted from her West Belfast home and shot dead by

the IRA. Gerry Kelly, what is your reaction? Gerry Adams said if you

weeks ago that he would talk to the police and offer to talk to the

police and he has done that and I have to say it is gratuitous that he

has been arrested, he went there of his free world. What is gratuitous?

There was no reason to arrest him. How do you know? Because I know. If

someone goes to the police station and is immediately arrested, that is

the wrong way to deal with that. He is the one who offered to talk to

the police. My thoughts are with the family because this rings back the

memories of the loss of her mother and I welcome this development, it

shows that nobody is above the law and Gerry Adams, that arrest will be

welcomed by a lot of people. A lot of people felt that Sinn Fein

leaders were not going to be arrested for crimes they may have

committed and the First Minister this week said that if the evidence

is there, people should be arrested and ultimately charged, if the

evidence stacks up so I hope it does not end with Gerry Adams. If

evidence comes against Martin McGuinness and he needs to be

arrested, he should be and brought before the courts. They need to be

held accountable for crimes they may have committed. These are the people

you are in government with? That is correct and we went into government

knowing full well the history when it comes to Sinn Fein

representatives but that does not change but what we have always made

clear is if anyone committed any offence, regardless of who they

are... You should not call anyone guilty unless they find guilty by a

court of law and you are bringing Martin McGuinness into this, the

Deputy First Minister, the man who parades around with your own First

Minister, Peter Robinson, around the world. Arrest him for what? If he is

ever investigated for crimes that may well have been committed under

his watch, he is a self-confessed IRA commander and if there is

evidence, he should be investigated and that leads to arrest, he should

be arrested. That is why we said there should be no amnesty, no

surprise that Sinn Fein campaign for an amnesty because they knew the day

would come when the ghosts would catch up with their wicked crimes.

Sinn Fein have never campaigned for any amnesty and the record is there

and if he stayed with the Haass talks, you would have known we have

argued for the truth process and an international truth process plus the

fact that people go through the courts, they can do that. You were

the ones who rejected that. You would be very happy going into the

selection that if every leader in Sinn Fein was arrested and that is

not going to happen. Go to the election, the people, and we will

see what happens. A respective of the election... The fact that this

has happened, not to the election, it can be more than coincidence. It

has been badly timed. Are you suggesting this is deliberate? I am

so busy adjusting that it is ordered, to say the least, that this

is happening as Gerry Adams is campaigning. I'm being very strict

about this, at the time and Gerry Adams is the most popular leader in

Ireland. Does that mean Gerry Adams is above to process? You have said

he should not have been arrested, it was on timely. It might not be the

way that Sinn Fein want business to be carried out. We are talking about

the way the police do that and I was questioned under caution not so long

ago but I was not arrested. That is the way you do it, I went to the

police tension and I was questioned under caution and that is a simple

way to do this. There is no reason that could not have been done now.

Someone made the decision, and you are criticising the PPS. The PPS

made its choice and I would agree with you only on this, that it

should be consistent and nobody is above the law. In this instance, I

believe the timing of this and the fact that it is coming into the

election, that has significance. Let us move on. The police chief has

this irritated legal and sometimes violent loyalist Flag protests, that

is a verdict of a High Court judge on the PSNI this week. This could

have massive implications on policing, parades and protests.

Gerry Kelly, let us start with you on this. How do you read this

judgement and the implications for how policing should occur in

Northern Ireland in the future? The judgement is emphatic and every go

to the beginning of this on December 2012 and I spoke on a number of

locations and we did meetings with the Chief Constable and others and

we said they were facilitating parades and the judge has said

exactly that was the truth. They argued that there was some confusion

in the law and there was no confusion. These were illegal

parades and I understood that and the head of the Parades Commission

understood that, Peter Osborne, and indeed they try to push this onto

the Parades Commission. In fact, he said, as we did, any parade is

supposed to be applied for and therefore it should be dealt with as

a legal. Clearly, what the police are trying to do is look at the big

picture and what would happen if they moved in to try to block any

parade or make arrests on the day and that took an operational

decision to make some of those arrests later on. Let us look at the

practical example. I am waiting for you to say that you expect arrests

to happen immediately! Let us do with this, what this was about,

about parades every Saturday passed the Short Strand, which the police

could have stopped and they were illegal and you say, why would they

not? Because was violence, the people in the Short Strand, the

residents deserve to be protected and they were not. That is the fact.

Are you saying that they should not protect them? That is interesting

because the Chief Constable went to a Westminster committee, the

Northern Ireland committee, and he said his fear was he might have had

to deal with 2000 or 10,000 or 20,000 so he is succumbing to the

fact that there might have been more violence. He is being realistic. He

is not, are you saying that because someone threatens or in his view, he

thinks this might have increased, that is a reason to allow the people

of the Short Strand to be attacked? Just to be clear, you want the

police... Matt Baggott apologised, he apologised to the people of the

Short Strand because it did not protect them. He says he will appeal

this and use tax payers money and it is a waste of time to overcome this.

What Canon, plastic bullets, you want the police to go in like that?

-- what Canon. -- water. You have but the answer in the question.

would have been able to have happened

would have been able to have independence of the

would have been able to have totally erroneous. This action was

taken after the police did what they did over a period of three months

and this is a judgement upon that. The Policing Board does the same

thing. I cannot argue that we would interfere with the independence of

police operations, you have the right afterwards to say this is

wrong, or even when the process is going on, say, you are wrong in

doing this. We are using those exact words from that judgement, the

police are facilitating these illegal parades. This is a damning

indictment of the police. It is hugely critical but this is the

initial trial judge, this is where the Court of Appeal, which is

superior, and they will have to consider the evidence before them.

Do you support the way the police handled this? I think the police

were put under difficult circumstances and they need to have

flexibility in dealing with that and often it is the lesser of two evils

and that is a choice and the police need to be able to make because if

they go in heavy-handed, that can inflame the situation and lead to

worse outcomes. Do they stand back? They have to make a judgement as to

what they can achieve and what ultimately will be the long-term

benefit. They have taken this approach to gather the evidence and

come after you. So people get away with breaking the

law, then are punished afterwards? People can openly flout the law in

this country, then maybe arrested later? That is essentially at the

heart of this discussion? But that is a difference between a huge crowd

or mob coming into our district, attacking the district, and in the

case of many of these protests, there were three or four or five

young people, running, standing in the street, clearly a difference

between that, and the difficulty here is the decided to take inertia

as a policy, not dealing with the three or four people optimistic, but

in the earlier, when you had hundreds and possibly thousands

coming down and who were at times violent, they decided to do nothing

about that, that is what is wrong, not the argument that police cannot

make a decision. The police cannot win, and need the flexibility to

make a judgement call, I am concerned this constrains them to be

able to handle situations that can be very volatile in an appropriate

fashion, but if the judgement is upheld, the implications, not just

the Loyalists, who need to uphold the law, and if they break the law,

there will be consequences, no one is beyond the law. But in Republican

areas, with illegal Republican parades, the police don't even put

police officers into those areas, allowing Republicans to police

themselves, and the police need to be in those areas, need to stop any

criminal activity. There is a question about political leadership,

and we can remind ourselves what was happening, Peter Robinson telling

the protesters to stay off the streets, meanwhile some members of

the DUP were the protesters, let us remind you of this, and that the

police turned on those protesters, gone in there with a tough response,

what with the DUP have said? Thanks in their own members, inside those

protest? There were times when we were critical of how the police

conducted themselves towards a lot of these protests, but occasions

when police officers were calling me and saying, protesters taking

place, we need you to be there and use your influence to keep people

calm. And I went there and helped people calm. I told them they should

not be blocking the roads, needed to clear the roads, helping to diffuse

the situation. The man in the glasses? The police are dammed if

they do, dammed if they don't, Gerry Kelly is head of the Policing Board,

and he may not agree with me. But I would say that there was a potential

for this to escalate across the whole province, if the police had

been heavy-handed, but I'm glad that Mr Kelly is saying there should be

heavier placing and the police should be farmer, because I would

like to see this at the public and parades, when Dresden paramilitary

guard, dressed with masks this week. -- when dressed in. I wonder if they

can get photographs and identify those people. Alan Mains, what

position does that put the pleasing? -- put the police in? We need to

take the politics out of policing, they make decisions with the best

possible information given the circumstances, and maybe a year 16

months later, a judge in the comfort of the courts there is they have

done it wrong, basically. I do not think anyone anticipated two years

ago what would happen, and I think the police, I believe, dealt with it

as best as they could without escalation. Before five people Jerry

talks about standing on a corner, women and children would become five

or 6000 had the police done something. With the police have

enough resources when something is kicking off to move in, not watch

and make arrests later? We must go back in time and they openly did not

have the resources to deal with it, and will go on record to say that,

they do not have the army as they did in previous times, did not have

mutual aid, did not have been trained in riot situations. He is

saying exactly what Matt Baggott said. If you had gone over to four

or five people, and incidentally some of the police on the ground

were seeing this to us, simply go over and say, you have ten minutes,

we need you to move off the street, had that turned -- hide a good time

then to five 6000 is beyond me. -- how that would turn into five or

6000 is beyond me. I repeat what I said earlier. There is an absolute

difference between border five people, blocking the street, not

causing difficulty, and hundreds of people coming down who were going

through an area they knew was an interface and we're there would be

trouble. If there were a Republican sitting in the middle of the road in

protest, are you telling the police to move in and move them off that

road? I have said this on different occasions, about a blanket judgement

about the police making a different decision on five people, I find it

people... But if it is Republicans? I knew you would do this. So you

should have had an ants. -- had an ansa. So the police might have

discretion? Of course they do. Let me tell you this, I do not know why

I have to repeat this, there is a difference between

I have to repeat this, there is a information about for a five people

blocking a road, and information about for a five people

later and dealing with that issue, because they may not have the

manpower, and protecting our district, an enclave of people where

there are hundreds, sometimes thousands, coming down and there

could be violence. No one is arguing about that. Let us be clear, you

could repeat this ten times, about that. Let us be clear, you

they believe to be the right thing for all people. And can be wrong.

they believe to be the right thing They protect life and people, call

it as they see it, and the judge can decree something else, the police

are big enough to say that that flags see that. -- the police are

big enough to see that. The lady at the back. The people on the

Newtownards Road a attack, even on Easter Monday, you see it on

television when the parades are coming back, people attacked, so you

should not sit there and say hi Innocent people are, because they

are not, and they can be the ones instigating it. And you are sitting

there saying they are not. We should not label an entire district, should

we? We should not say they are innocent, and they can be the ones

causing the problems. I have seen it myself, when one parade was

attacked, not one person was lifted, it was on YouTube, showing you the

faces of people throwing paint bombs, babies, old men, women

enjoyed, for what? Why are they not being held accountable? It was not

all of Short Strand. The young man up year, go ahead. One main point I

will make is obviously the police were heavy-handed with even

protesters who were not doing anything wrong at the end of the

day, and the police still being heavy-handed, keeping on pushing and

pushing, making everyone walk away. No one wanted to walk away. They

wanted to stand there believing what they believe in. You spoke about

Short Strand. Some president areas are tightly and night. -- Protestant

areas. You willing to take responsibility for the lack of

leadership that leaves the police in the middle, you cannot find

compromise, cannot work it out, then the police are left in the middle?

Getting battered? The police again are dammed if they do, dammed if

they don't. Whose fault is that? Your fault? Other politicians'? When

walking past Short Strand, those people should not be subject to

attacks. Politicians cannot agree, that has something to do with the

DUP and other parties? Sinn Fein have moved to a cultural campaign

and if they respect cultures, tensions will not be raised, which

they go out of their way to raise and get hackles up. Sinn Fein would

be the last people -- the first people to criticise the police if

they went into the Short Strand so the people parading past were not

subject to attacks, the first to say that was over the top, the police

should have allowed space, but when it comes to Loyalist, the police

need to not hold back, but take a softly, softly approach in

Republican areas. I did not say this should we then anywhere. Most people

listening, 100 police officers injured during that time, not just

by standing by, but proactively trying to withhold and hold the rule

of law, so let's be that in mind, the 700 arrests that followed, let's

be that in mind. Final word. He is right and we should be that in mind.

I am for proper policing and I am on the Policing Board for that purpose.

But your position is not at risk because of the odd timing of the

arrest of Gerry Adams? Why should I consider it? You still support them?

We are on the board to hold them to account. You are right, but taking a

particular incident, and I was trying to say that was okayed. If

the police act wrongly, it is right to criticise them. And they are big

enough to take that. Matt Baggott has taken it on the chin, he has

apologised. He is appealing it, has criticised criminal justice

Inspectorate ports, and he had -- cruel justice Inspectorate ports, he

is more famous for refusing criticism than he is for taking it.

Very unfair. Please give our guests round of applause. Lots to talk

about tonight. I have no doubt that plenty of you in the audience will

be keen to join the debate. There is the number. If you are treating as,

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Now, my next guest is on his way to superstardom in the world of boxing.

Earlier this month, he saw off Hugo Cazares inside two rounds in front

of a packed home crowd in Belfast. That leaves the way clear to

challenge Santa Cruz for the world super-bantamweight title. Take a

look at this. A nice little one two from Hugo

Cazares. My gosh! Brilliant left-hand! Superb punch from

Frampton! Hugo Cazares can't believe it! He has been counted out! He has

stopped him! He got it wrong. He was listening to their kind and has been

counted out. -- listening to the count. He's here with his manager.

It's Carl Frampton and Barry McGuigan. CHEERING. That was some

reception! Thank you very much! I believe you have some fantastic

news? My wife, Christine, is pregnant! I just find out. That is

the scan. 12 weeks. I am going to have to blame this man for this!

Really? ! All of the training camps, back at home. In between fights.

That is what has caused that! I am pleased. That is really special. Not

your first? No, I have a daughter, Carla, she is three. Lovely kid,

very nice, getting cheeky but that is good. We can see your daughter on

screen in a second. In the world of boxing it always strikes me that

here you have all of the dangers that is often talked about and then

you have this family life. You are a daddy and soon for a second time.

Look at that. Does that bring daddy and soon for a second time.

home to you the danger that your sport has? It does, it is a

dangerous sport. You go in there and my last fight, the first time I ever

had to do it, I had to sign a form for the WBC, that if anything

happened to me, who gets the purse. It is a dangerous sport. But there

are rules and stuff. How do you handle that in your mind? You do not

think about it and it is few and far between, injuries, but there are

also injuries and other sports. Does your wife worry about you? As the

fights get more important, she does. What does she say? She is watching

the fights and at the ringside she is watching through her fingers. She

cries a lot. Barry, his family and other people have to put their arms

around her. That is the bit I did not think about. The wife of a

boxer. And the worrying. That would be very natural? It is the only

sport where you can kill someone. There is the gorgeous girl. Fabulous

girl. And she handles and very well but each fight becomes more

important and there is more pressure and the significance is greater and

greater and we are at the pinnacle, right at the very top. And this kid

is sensational. How good is he? One of the best fighters I have ever

seen. Why? I just see him in training and I watch him and I know

what he does and if he can reproduce a deeper centre that, that is

phenomenal, this stuff he does. And I have been in this game for a long

time and I have seen hundreds and thousands of amateurs who never

quite made it professionally. It is just the stuff he does, his punches,

the power and the ability, going back and forward, his speed and

intelligence and he is a very nice kid, that is the bonus. Most boxers

who are very talented are pretty skittish. And volatile. Would you be

jealous of him? You wish it was still view? You had his youth and

you were landing the sponges) he wishes he had my hair! -- be

punches. No, we all, in fact, everybody who comes to watch him, he

lives their life vicariously. They want to see him doing well and that

is the most amazing thing about this kid and for all of the fighters that

have come between me and him, over the years, I do not think anybody

has got the sort of response this kid has got. They really love him

and they want to see him doing well. They live every minute and second

with him. I saw the where the Belfast crowd had just packed out

the arena here in the capital city and we will see this in a second.

Just watch this. Just the atmosphere at home that was created in Northern

Ireland. And this is a crowd united, both communities. This is what you

are doing in Northern Ireland? What does it feel like? Honestly, it is

amazing, I love it. I never expected that I would ever get that big and

I'm still not a world champion yet. I am just trying to imagine winning

the world title and coming back home to defend that. It is amazing. What

are the chances of getting that major fight here in Northern

Ireland? That will be difficult. We are against it because we're still

in the negotiating phase but we have heard that possibly Santa Cruz is

not as keen as he was and after that left hook, that he not died Hugo

Cazares with, he would not be as keen. He was very keen before the

fight. Checking? I do not think so but he is thinking more carefully.

This is mandatory, so he has to fight him. We were hoping it would

be sooner but if it is not within nine months, he has to give up his

belt. What is your message to him? I will not call anybody out, he knows

that I want to fight him and that is all that needs to be said. That is

pretty lightweight. It is not lightweight! Don't pick on me! That

will happen later on. He said before the fight that he desperately wanted

to fight because this is the most exciting fight of any of these super

bantamweight fighters. Carl Frampton and Santa Cruz, that is the best

combination of styles and all of the fans of the game, they can see this,

the most exciting fight in this division. Why could we not wring

something like that coming to Northern Ireland? We have seen that

with the golf and the cycling. Why not here? Boxing is most popular,

successful sport that this has ever had. By a country mile. -- that this

country. The government, are you listening? Give me a hand. It is

difficult for them. It is an individual sport and I don't want to

give them any excuse but it is difficult so we just want to get him

over here to fight. It looks highly unlikely we can get the fight back

here. Are you obsessed by him? Everyday when training? Not really,

when training I am usually thinking about my next meal, really! Tell me

about it! When I am eating, I'm thinking about the next meal! But I

am not obsessed, I want to fight Santa Cruz, he has to fight me at

some point. Will you be Tim? 100%. -- beat him. Do you know what? I

really hope that Barry McGuigan is right, I hope that you go all the

way. And I can tell, I have been at this for awhile, and when walks out

there, the result was applause but sometimes there is that little extra

run from the crowd and you will know this, what that is about is star

quality. You have got it. And the people of Northern Ireland are

behind you and we hope you go all the way. Thank you very much. Thank

you. Right. Just before you go, we have a little bit of a surprise for

you because we have lined up a mystery challenger for Carl Frampton

later on. Are you up for it? Yes. That is coming up later on. Bring it

on! Stay watching. Please show your appreciation one more time for Ari

McGuigan and Carl Frampton! -- Barry McGuigan. Thank you. Right... Still

to come... You had over 1 million votes! How do you feel? We have a

stunning performance from X Factor winner Sam Bailey. Right. The second

debate. Yesterday, same-sex marriage was rejected by the Stormont

Assembly for the third time within 18 months. 51 MLAs

Assembly for the third time within voted yes. Disappointment for those

who were lobbying our politicians to support the change. Here's what some

equal marriage protestors had to say in Belfast earlier this week. Equal

marriage, yes we will. England and Scotland have passed an even better

bill and it is time Northern Ireland stepped up to the plate. For more

people to be getting married is a great thing, celebrating love and

stability and the joy that people have. I just find it upsetting that

Northern Ireland is taking one step backwards. I am not able to get

married in May own country, I would have to go to England or Scotland.

The DUP would have me believe that I am already in the UK, so why would I

have to go there to get married? I am gay and at the time civil

partnership came in, I thought this is not good enough. There needs to

be equality on this. I want the right to be available here. We

believe in the institution of marriage and we want to get married.

More and more, Northern Ireland is getting a reputation for being godly

and I am embarrassed sometimes when I go on holiday and tell people

where I am from. People will go to the polls knowing that some

politicians here do not want to fight for the policy for equality

between two people. Equal marriage! Lots of use will be coming into the

programme. All of the details are coming up. Catriona Ruane, the

Assembly has voted this down three times. Sinn Fein brought this motion

two days ago. It was to ensure that there was equality for all citizens

here in the North. You knew that you were going to lose this? It was not

to enter anything? We hoped that the Assembly would support equality for

the gay community. They did not. The DUP used a petition of concern to

block it and I think it is absolutely disgraceful. I will tell

you why... We have six ministers from the DUP. Five ministers and one

junior minister and they have a responsibility under the law, under

this, and one of them is for sexual orientation equality and the

minister who is responsible for jobs, trade, enterprise and

investment is speaking out against equality. She includes you, Arlene

Foster? I would expect that but this is not about equality and that has

been recognised by the United Nations, Europe and our own human

rights commission, this is not about equality. And I will not take

lectures about equality on human rights from Catriona Ruane, an

apologist for an organisation that engaged in the abduction of Jean

McConville, took them away, from her ten children... Are you going to

allow libellous comments like that? She is talking about the IRA. You

can respond. What Arlene Foster is doing is deflecting from the fact

that their own party have been against gay and all of the different

issues that have come before the Assembly, her Health Minister...

They have squandered money. Defending the indefensible. ?100,000

to date on the court cases, appealing court cases. Using our own

money. The money of the people here. It is incorrect about what she said

about equality because this is an equality issue. If you read what the

equality commission said... It said this is an equality issue. The gay

and lesbian committee should get equality. Tell gay people either in

this audience or at home why they cannot marry the people be loved?

Legal recognition of their relationships was given and civil

partnerships. And you did pose that? Just for clarity. And if you

could, you would reverse it? No, that is what the law is now. You

accept civil partnerships? Yes. What we are saying is... So you were

wrong at the time? We were not. In relation to marriage, I am standing

up for the definition of marriage, which is a bollard to the union

between a man and a woman, a complementary union that is there

for the good of all of society. I am standing up for marriage, I am

standing up for marriage, and in terms of equality, she very quickly

brushed away the issue that I brought up in relation to Jean

McConville, but I am glad there will be equality in terms of Jean

McConville, no matter who was involved in her murder and

disappearance, that they will be brought to justice. Can we stick to

this issue. That is an important issue that we need to address.

People will want to talk about this. For example, this young man. From a

Christian perspective, the Bible says God instituted marriage between

one man and one woman. And in the beginning it was Adam and Eve, not

Adam and Steve. So what gives Sinn Fein the right to propose this

motion when God started the institution? This is the third time

this debate has been brought up in the assembly. Why is the

this debate has been brought up in Democratic... Will of the assembly?

Yellow macro why is the Will not being respected? It is being

respected. Three times, our LGBT communities were discriminated

against and Sinn Fein will continue to bring motions to ensure equality

and will make no apology for it. In relation to Christianity...

and will make no apology for it. In I respect your right to hold

and will make no apology for it. In but part of the motion we brought

forward gives churches but part of the motion we brought

define and practice marriage according to their beliefs,

define and practice marriage we are and what we are supposed to

be our legislators and we should legislate on the basis of equality.

This young man at the front, Dean, and maybe you can in a nutshell,

This young man at the front, Dean, knowing it is a long story, and you

will be on the radio programme tomorrow, but you try to take your

own life, because you did not feel... I did not feel accepted, did

not feel I was normal. feel... I did not feel accepted, did

disgusted people cannot marry. And what that man in the audience said

about the Bible, and the Bible also said it did not remit and women to

express authority, but you would have to stand down. CHEERING.

So if you are going to that certain beliefs to suit your needs, it

cannot be idle for one and a different one for anyone else and

your slogan for the European different one for anyone else and

election is, let's keep Northern Ireland moving forward, you should

start, never mind keep it moving forward. Thank you for mentioning

our last slogan... We are not getting into the European election

slogan, don't! Let's address his issue. You know why we are not

getting into this. It is my question, we have had enough from

Catriona. I never mentioned the Bible. But a lot of your members do.

People without faith believe in marriage. What would your problem

be? I respect who you are. I respect you. We will not get married?

LAUGHTER. I am already married. Go with me one second, take the heat

out of this, and the point-scoring, you see is his place in this

society, he wants to be equal and feels to get married would underline

his equality? But the two are separate issues and we need a wider

discussion about rights and about the rights of the LGBT communities.

And I am up for that. But you need to understand as well how dear the

institution of marriage is the people of faith and people of no

faith. Because they believe in a complementary union between a man

and a woman. But not every gay person would get married, they

should be allowed the choice in 2014. All right. Here's what some of

our MLAs who opposed the motion had to say. Marriage has only one

definition. It is a lifelong commitment between one man and one

woman. That has been the accepted position since the dawn of creation.

It is not appropriate to the -- to brand those who oppose same-sex

marriage as bigoted and backward, it is people of many faiths and they

should not be lamb asked it. I do not believe there is widespread

public support in Northern Ireland for such a proposal. Whilst I remain

tolerant of the views and lifestyles of others, the same cannot be said

of those who want to promote change of this nature to Christians, whose

personal convictions put them at odds on an issue such as this. If a

man says, I am in love with two women, is he in title -- entitled to

have polygamous marriage? That equality embrace polygamy? Do we

have to provide for everyone because that is their right? I am

pro-marriage and profamily and believe we would go down the wrong

road today if we believe we would go down the wrong

such a fundamental institution. -- if we were. Lots of your views. This

man here. The argument this man put across there, saying it was a

dominion and Adam and Steve, what an embarrassing argument! -- saying it

was Adam and Eve. Andy Ackerman is put forward by the DUP are the same

arguments put forward in the 70s against interracial marriage. --

arguments put forward. They look foolish and you look foolish.

Someone at the very back. I am a Christian, but the Bible was written

2000 years ago, and what happened 2000 years ago in that society, and

we are not moving forward, quoting stuff from 2000 years ago! Reverend

David McIlveen? The Bible carries the same principles we want to

espouse and indoors for society. Thou shalt not kill, not steal, and

so on, but Mrs Forster touched an important point and that marriage is

not based on equality, but something more, based on a complementary

relationship between husband and wife. We had a beautiful picture of

Carol Frampton and his wife, and expecting child, which is what form

society and marriage is the foundation for family life for the

mutual health of society and comfort. -- Carl Frampton. I agree,

we had a beautiful picture, but could equally have had a beautiful

picture of two young men or women. At the demonstration the other day,

there were lovely young women with their child, and that child in a

lovely happy loving home. What we need is love, we do not need

discrimination. It is an equality issue. And the question I would like

to put to Arlene. You against the decriminalisation of homosexuality,

except it because it is the law. They were against civil partnerships

and accepted because it is the law. If a legal cases taken because of

inequalities for lesbian and gauge unities in terms of marriage, and it

is successful, will be DUP are accepted? Or will you with public

money? One minute. We have devolution and make the laws. We are

legislators and I will and for the question. We are the legislators,

not the courts, we make the laws, and under the legislation given to

us it is up to the people, and democracy, that provide a lot, you

mentioned the petition of concern, which was not needed because there

was a majority against the motion. And this is the last question. You

said at the beginning of this interview that you should look at

the rights for gay people. I'd use seeing the DUP as a party is

actively looking at giving gay people more rights? The issue of

rights, such as the right to be recognised as next of kin, that is

not necessarily wrapped up in marriage. And a dialogue can be had.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank Arlene Foster and Catriona Ruane. Unlikely

career change. But that's exactly what happened to my next guest when

she scooped the top prize on The X Factor. Since then, she has

supported Beyonce on her World Tour, clocked up a number one album in the

UK charts. Just last month, she announced she's expecting her third

child. Ladies and gentlemen, singing Get Here, please welcome Sam Bailey.

CHEERING. # You can reach me by railway.

# You can reach me by trailway. # You can reach me on an airplane.

# You can reach me by trailway. # You can reach me with your mind.

# You can reach me by caravan. # Cross the desert like an Arab man.

# I don't care how you get here. # Just get here if you can.

# You can reach me by sail boat. # Climb a tree and swing rope to

rope. # Take a sled and slide down slope.

# Into these arms of mine. # You can jump on a speedy colt.

# Cross the border in a blaze of hope.

# I don't care how you get here. # Just get here if you can.

# There are hills and mountains between us.

# Always something to get over. # If I had my way.

# Surely you would be closer. # Oh, I need you closer.

# You can windsurf into my life. # Take me up on a carpet ride.

# You can make it in a big balloon. # But you better make it soon!

# You can reach me by caravan. # Cross the desert like an Arab man.

# I don't care how you get here. # Just get here if you can.

# I don't care. # I need you right here right now.

# I need you right here. # Right now.

# Right by my side. # Yeah, yeah, yeah.

# I don't care how you get here. # Just get here if you can!

# I don't care how you get here. # Just get here if you can. #.

APPLAUSE. Thank you.

MUSIC: Theme from "Rocky". CHEERING.

Ladies and gentlemen, is he getting ready to take a tumble. Well, as

big-time international boxing returns to Belfast. And before his

shot at world title, in the blue corner, Carl "the Jackal" Frampton,

getting last-minute instructions from a laid-back Barry McGuigan. And

in the red corner, from the biggish show in the country, some say the

biggest mouth in the country! A sumo wrestler who put on weight for this

evening. Let us be having you into the centre of the ring, gentlemen.

Easy, a good clean fight and may the better man win, and I know who that

might be. Can we ring the bell? Away we go.

LAUGHTER. Oh! The court nor Lindauer. -- he caught Nolan! I

thought you were doing well. He hit me! Get him back!

Go and not that one out! -- go and knock that bum out!

Will you start hitting me properly! Carol Frampton is getting the better

of it! -- Carl. Somebody has thrown the tile in! -- towel. Beat him up,

Carl! Beat him up! Someone should ring the bell! Someone, ring the

bell! I think the bell is broken!