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I'm Katty Kay in New York City where a day after America's first | :00:09. | :00:15. | |
presidential debate, the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
are busy assessing the fallout. It's the morning after the big | :00:18. | :00:38. | |
debate. Here in America, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are losing | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
no time getting back out on the campaign trail, she's in North | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
Carolina, critical state and he is in Florida trying to persuade voters | :00:46. | :00:52. | |
to cast ballots in November and trying to persuade voters, | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
campaigners and supporters that they won the crucial presidential debate | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
last night. Some 80 million Americans tuned in | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
to watch as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump took to the stage at | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
host renews bursty in non-violent, shook hands and then the fun began, | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
90 minutes long, it whizzed by -- Hof Street University. | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
It was feisty, combated, the odd bit of policy was squeezed in and the | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
general consensus the day after seems to be Hillary Clinton had a | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
strong debate but that there were no Knockout Punch is against her rival | :01:29. | :01:35. | |
Republican Donald Trump. The debate was moderated by Lester Holt of NBC | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
News. Beginning with you, | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
Secretary Clinton, why are you a better choice | :01:45. | :01:45. | |
than your opponent to create the kind of jobs that will put more | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
money into the pockets The central question in this | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
election is really what kind of country we want to be | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
and what kind of future Today is my granddaughter's second | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
birthday so I think First we have to build an economy | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
that works for everyone, That means we need new good jobs | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
with rising incomes. I want us to invest in you, | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
I want us to invest in your future. That means jobs in infrastructure, | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
clean renewable energy and small business because most | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
of the new jobs will come We also have to make | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
the economy fairer. That starts with raising | :02:21. | :02:29. | |
the national minimum wage and also guarantee finally equal | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
pay for women's work. I also want to see more | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
companies do profit-sharing. If you help create profits, | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
you should be able to share in them, I want us to do more to support | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
people who are struggling I have heard from so many | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
of you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses | :02:50. | :03:03. | |
that you are under - family leave, and sick days, | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
affordable child care and debt free college, | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
by having the wealthy pay their fair share and close | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
corporate loopholes. Finally, we tonight | :03:11. | :03:19. | |
are on the stage together, We are going to have a debate | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
where we are talking about the important issues | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
facing our country. You have to judge us, | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
who can shoulder the immense awesome Who can put into action plans that | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
will make your life better? I hope that I will be able | :03:34. | :03:43. | |
to earn your vote on November eight. Secretary Clinton, thank you, | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
Mr Trump, the same question, putting more money into the pockets | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
of American workers. They are going to Mexico, they are | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
going to many other countries. You look at what China is doing | :03:52. | :04:00. | |
to our country in terms of making our product, | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
they are devaluing their currency and there's nobody in our | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
government to fight them. And we have a very good fight | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
and we have a winning fight. Because they are using our country | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
as a piggy bank to rebuild China and many other countries | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
are doing the same thing. So we are losing our good jobs, | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
so many of them. When you look at what is happening | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
in Mexico, a friend of mine who builds plants says | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
they are building some of the biggest plants anywhere | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
in the world, some of the most sophisticated, | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
some of the best plants. With the United States, | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
as he said, not so much. You see this, the small | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
car division, leaving. Thousands of jobs leaving | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
Michigan, leaving Ohio. They are all leaving and we can't | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
allow it to happen any more. As far as childcare is concerned, | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
and so many other things, I think Hillary and I agree on that, | :04:55. | :05:05. | |
we disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
going to do but perhaps it will talk But we have to do stop our jobs | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
from being stolen from us, we have to stop our companies | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
from leaving the United States and with it, firing all | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
of their people. All you have to do is take a look | :05:19. | :05:20. | |
at the air conditioning company in Indianapolis, | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
they fired 1400 people Hundreds of companies | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
are doing this. Under my plan, I will | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
be reducing taxes, from 35% to 15% for companies, | :05:29. | :05:39. | |
but will be a job creator like we haven't seen since Ronald | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
Reagan. It will be a beautiful | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
thing to watch. Companies will build, | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
they will expand, new companies will start and I look very much | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
forward to doing it. We have to renegotiate our trade | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
deals and we have to stop these countries from stealing our | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
companies and our jobs. I think that trade | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
is an important issue. We are 5% of the world's population, | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
we have to trade with the other 95%. And we need to have smart, | :06:06. | :06:15. | |
fair trade deals. We also need to have a tax | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
system that rewards work, And the kind of plan that Donald has | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
put forward would be trickle down In fact it would be the most extreme | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent | :06:25. | :06:35. | |
of the people in this country, I call it Trumped-Up | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
trickle-down because that is We just have a different view | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
about what is best for growing the economy, how we make | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
investments that will produce I think we come at it from | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
different perspectives. Donald was very fortunate | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
in his life and that's He started his business with $40 | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
million borrowed from his father. And he really believes that the more | :07:01. | :07:10. | |
you help wealthy people, the better off we will be | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
and everything will work out My father was a small businessman, | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
he worked hard, he printed fabrics on long tables where he pulled out | :07:16. | :07:24. | |
those fabrics and went down with a silk screen and dumped | :07:25. | :07:35. | |
the pain in and took The more we can do for the middle | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
class, the more we can invest in you, your more we can invest | :07:38. | :07:46. | |
in you, your future, the better we will be and the better | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
we will grow. You have talked about creating | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
25 million jobs and you have promised to bring back millions | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
of jobs from Americans, how are you going to bring back | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
the industry that have left this How specifically are you going | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
to tell American manufacturers For one thing, before we start | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
on that, my father gave me a small loan in 1975 and I built it | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
into a company which is worth many billions of dollars with some | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
of the greatest asset in the world, I say that only | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
because that is the kind of thinking our country needs, | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
our country is in deep trouble. We do not know what we are doing | :08:20. | :08:27. | |
as it comes to devaluations, and all of these countries all over | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
the world, especially China What they are doing to us | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
is a very sad thing. So we have to do that, we have | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
to renegotiate our trade deals. They are taking our jobs, | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
giving incentives, doing things that Let me give you the example of | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
Mexico. They have a VAT tax, | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
we have a different system. When we sell into Mexico, | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
there is a tax, when they When they sell to us, | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
there is no tax. It has been defective | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
for a long time but the With all fairness the Secretary | :08:56. | :09:04. | |
Clinton, yes, is that ok? In all fairness to Secretary | :09:05. | :09:17. | |
Clinton, when we started talking about this, it was very recently, | :09:18. | :09:30. | |
she has been doing this for 30 years, why hasn't she made | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
the agreement is better? The agreement is | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
defective because of Secretary Clinton should have | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
been doing this years, they should have been | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
doing this the years, not now because we have | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
created a movement. What has happened to our jobs | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
and our country and our economy Back to the question, | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
how do you specifically American manufacturers, | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
how do you make them The first thing you do | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
is do not let the jobs leave. There are thousands of them, | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
they are leaving in bigger And what you do is say, fine, | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
you want to go to Mexico or some other country, | :10:08. | :10:18. | |
good luck, we wish you luck. But if you think you are going | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
to make your air conditioners or cars or cookies or whatever | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
you are going to make, and bring them into our country | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
without a tax, you are wrong. Once you say you're going to have | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
to tax them coming in, and politicians never do this, | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
because they have special interests and they want | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
those companies to leave, because in many cases, | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
they own the company. So we have to stop them from leaving | :10:37. | :10:37. | |
and that is a big factor. Let's stop for a second and remember | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
where we were eight years ago. We had the worst financial crisis, | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
the Great Recession, That was in large part | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy, | :10:49. | :11:01. | |
failed to invest in the middle class, took their eyes off | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
of Wall Street, and created In fact, Donald was one | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
of the people who rooted He said, back in 2006, "Gee, | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
I hope it does collapse, because then I can go in and buy | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
some and make some money." Five million people | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
lost their homes. And $13 trillion in family wealth | :11:21. | :11:29. | |
was wiped out. Now, we have come | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
back from that abyss. So we're now on the precipice | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
of having a potentially much better economy, but the last thing we need | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
to do is to go back to the policies Independent experts have looked | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
at what I've proposed and looked at what Donald's proposed, | :11:46. | :11:57. | |
and basically they've said this, that if his tax plan, | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
which would blow up the debt by over $5 trillion and would in some | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
instances disadvantage middle-class families compared to the wealthy, | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
were to go into effect, we would lose 3.5 million jobs | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
and maybe have another recession. They've looked at my plans | :12:08. | :12:19. | |
and they've said, OK, if we can do this, and I intend | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
to get it done, we will have ten million more new jobs, | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
because we will be making investments where we | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
can grow the economy. Some country is going to be | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
the clean-energy superpower Donald thinks that | :12:31. | :12:39. | |
climate change is a hoax We can have enough clean energy to | :12:40. | :13:06. | |
power a new home and build new homes. | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
I have tried to specific about what we can and | :13:10. | :13:19. | |
should do and I'm determined that we are going to get the moving again. | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
Building on the progress we have made over the last eight years | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
but never going back to what got us into trouble in the first place. | :13:29. | :13:43. | |
Go anywhere you want, Secretary Clinton, and you will see | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
devastation where manufacturing is down 30, 40, 50%. | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
It is the worst trade deal ever signed anywhere, | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
Now you want to improve transpacific partnership will stop | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
You were totally in favour of it, then you had me say how bad it is, | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
and you say, I cannot win the debate. | :14:00. | :14:01. | |
You know that if you win it will improve it, and that | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
You called it the gold standard of trade deals. | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
You said it was the finest deal you've ever seen. | :14:12. | :14:13. | |
And then you had what I said about it and all of a sudden | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
I know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts. | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
I did say I hoped it would be a good deal, | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
When it was negotiated I concluded it wasn't. | :14:25. | :14:38. | |
There are different views about what is good for our country, | :14:39. | :14:47. | |
I think it is important to look at what we need to do | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
That is why I said, new jobs with rising incomes, | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
investments, not in more tax cuts which would | :14:56. | :14:56. | |
I do, I have written a book about it, you can pick it up | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
tomorrow at a book store or at an airport near you. | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
It is because I see this, we need to have strong | :15:10. | :15:18. | |
growth, fair growth, sustained growth. | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
You are going to approve one of the biggest tax raises | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
in history, you're going to drive business out, radiation oceans | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
are a disaster and by the way, my tax cut is the biggest | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
I am very proud, it will create jobs. | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
But regulations, you are going to regulate these businesses | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
I have been all over and when I go around, despite the tax cut, | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
the things that businesses and people like the most is the fact | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
You have regulations on top of regulations and new companies | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
cannot form and old companies are going out of business | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
and you want to increase regulation and make them even worse. | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
I'm going to cut taxes, big league, you are going | :16:01. | :16:16. | |
I kind of assumed there would be a lot of these charges and claims. | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
We have taken the home page of my website and turned it | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
So if you want to see in real time what the facts are, | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
We will not add a penny to the debt and your plans | :16:34. | :16:41. | |
Look at her website, no different than this, | :16:42. | :16:53. | |
go to her website, she tells you how to fight Isis on the website, | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
I do not in general Douglas MacArthur would like that. | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
At least I have a plan to fight Isis. | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
No wonder - you have been fighting Isis your | :17:07. | :17:17. | |
Go to the, please, fact checkers, go to work! | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
We are still on the issue of achieving prosperity. | :17:24. | :17:25. | |
The fundamental difference is concerning the wealthy, | :17:26. | :17:34. | |
Secretary Clinton is calling for a tax increase | :17:35. | :17:36. | |
for the wealthy, and Mr Trump is calling for tax cuts, defend that. | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
I am really calling for major jobs because the wealthy will | :17:40. | :17:48. | |
They will expand the company, they will do a great job | :17:49. | :17:59. | |
on getting rid of the carried interest provision, if you look, | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
it is a great thing for the middle-class, it is a great | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
When these people put billions of dollars in companies, | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
and bring $2.5 trillion back, I happen to think it is double that, | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
probably $5 trillion, that we can't bring | :18:12. | :18:12. | |
into our country, with a little leadership, you will get hit | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
in here very quickly and it could be put to use on the inner cities | :18:17. | :18:25. | |
and a lot of the other things and it would be beautiful. | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
And that starts with Secretary Clinton. | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
You need to defend tax increases for the wealthy Americans. | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
I think I will be blamed for everything that | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
has ever happened by the end of this evening. | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
Why not, join the debate by saying more crazy things. | :18:44. | :18:51. | |
There's nothing crazy about not letting our companies | :18:52. | :18:58. | |
This is Secretary Clinton's two minutes. | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
We have looked at your tax proposals. | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
I do not see changes in the corporate tax rates | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
or the kinds of proposals you are referring to that | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
would cause the bringing back of money stranded overseas. | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
I happen to support that in a way that will work to our benefit. | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
When I look at what you have proposed, you have got the Trump | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
Loophole which it would so advantage you and the business you do. | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
This is Secretary Clinton's question. | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
It would be a tax benefit for your family. | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
Trickle-down did not work, it got us into the mess | :19:46. | :19:58. | |
Slashing taxes on the wealthy has not worked. | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
And a lot of really smart and wealthy people know that. | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
And they are saying, we need to do more to make | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
the contributions we should be making to rebuild the middle-class. | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
I don't think top-down works in America. | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
I think building the middle-class, investing in the middle class, | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
making college debt free so more young people can get | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
their education, helping people refinance their debt from college | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
at a lower rate, those are the kinds of things that | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
Broad-based, inclusive growth is what we need in America. | :20:26. | :20:37. | |
Not more advantages for people at the very top. | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
Typical politician, all talk, no action, sounds good, | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
Our country is suffering because people like Secretary | :20:43. | :20:50. | |
Clinton have made such bad decisions in terms of our jobs and in terms | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
Now look, we have the worst revival of an economy since the great | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
depression and believe me, we are in a bubble right now. | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
And the only thing that looks good is the stock market but if you raise | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
interest rates even before that, that will come crashing down. | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble and we better be awfully careful, | :21:14. | :21:21. | |
and we have the Fed doing political things, Janet Yellin | :21:22. | :21:23. | |
of the Fed, the Fed is doing political by keeping interest rates | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
at this level, and believe me, the day Obama goes off and leaves | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
and goes to the golf course for the rest of his life, | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
when they raise interest rates, you are going to see some very bad | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
things happen because the Fed is not doing their job. | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
The Fed is being more political than Secretary Clinton. | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
Mr Trump, we are talking about the burdens that American have | :21:45. | :21:52. | |
to pay, you have not released your tax returns. | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
The reason nominees have released their return | :21:55. | :21:56. | |
to the decades is that voters know if their potential president owes | :21:57. | :22:04. | |
money and any potential business conflicts, don't Americans | :22:05. | :22:06. | |
have a right to know if there is any conflicts of interest? | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
I am under a routine audit and it will be released as soon | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
to the Federal elections where I filed a 104 page | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
financial statement of sorts, the forms they have, | :22:24. | :22:25. | |
in fact, the income, I just looked today, | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
the income is filed at $694 million for this past year. | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
If you would have told me I was going to make that 15 or 20 | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
years ago, I would have been very surprised. | :22:38. | :22:39. | |
But that's the kind of thinking that our country needs. | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
When we have a country that doing so badly, that is being ripped off | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
by every single country in the world, it's the kind | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
of thinking that our country needs because everybody, | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
we have a trade deficit with all of the countries | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
that we do business with, of almost $800 billion a year. | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
That means, who is negotiating the trade deals? | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
We have political hacks negotiating our trade deal. | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
The IRS says an audit of your taxes, you are perfectly | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
free to release taxes during an audit, so does | :23:17. | :23:28. | |
the public's right to know outweigh your personal... | :23:29. | :23:30. | |
I will release them as soon the audit. | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
I have been audited for 15 years, I know a lot of people | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
who have not been audited, I get audited every year. | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
In a way I should be complaining, I do not complain, it is almost | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
a way of life, I am audited by the IRS. | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
We have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of. | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
I will release my tax returns, against my lawyer's wishes, | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
As soon as she releases them, I will release, | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
I will release my tax returns and that is against my lawyers, | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
I will tell you this, in fact, watching shows, reading the papers, | :24:04. | :24:11. | |
almost every lawyer says, you do not release your returns | :24:12. | :24:13. | |
I would go against them if she releases her e-mails. | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
Let me admonish the audience, you were meant to be silent. | :24:21. | :24:35. | |
I think you have just seen another example of bait and switch. | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
For 40 years, everyone running for president has | :24:40. | :24:41. | |
You can go and see 39 or 40 years of our tax returns | :24:42. | :24:53. | |
We know the IRS has made clear there is no probation, on releasing it, | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
You have got to ask yourself, why will he not release his tax returns? | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
And I think there could be a couple of reasons. | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
First, maybe he is not as rich as he says he is. | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
Second, maybe he is not as charitable as he claims to be. | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
Third, we do not know all of his business dealings, | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
but we have been told through investigative reporting | :25:16. | :25:16. | |
that he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks. | :25:17. | :25:24. | |
Or maybe he doesn't want the American people, | :25:25. | :25:26. | |
all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing | :25:27. | :25:35. | |
in federal taxes, because the only years that anybody has ever seen | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
authorities when he was trying to get a casino licence | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. | :25:45. | :25:46. | |
That means 0 for troops, 0 for veterans, 0 for schools or health. | :25:47. | :26:08. | |
It means he is not enthusiastic for the country to see what the real | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
reasons are, it must be something terrible he is trying to hide. | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
The financial disclosure statements do not give you the tax rates, | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
And it seems to me that this is something that the American | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
people deserve to see and I have no reason to believe that he is ever | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
Because there is something he is hiding. | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
And we will guess, we will keep guessing at what it | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
But I think the question is where he ever to get | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
near the White House, what would be those conflicts? | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
Well, he owes you the answers to that and he should provide them. | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
He also raised the issue of your e-mails, do | :26:49. | :26:50. | |
I made a mistake using a private e-mail... | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
And if I had to do it again, I would obviously do it differently. | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
But I'm not going to make any excuses, it was a mistake | :27:02. | :27:11. | |
When you have your staff taking the fifth Amendment, | :27:12. | :27:21. | |
taking the fifth, so they are not prosecuted, when you have the man | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
that set up the illegal server taking the fifth, I think | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
And believe me, this country thinks it's, | :27:28. | :27:35. | |
As far as my tax returns, you don't learn that | :27:36. | :27:45. | |
much from returns, that I can tell you. | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
You learn a lot from financial disclosure. | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
And you should go down and take a look about. | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
The other thing, I am extremely under leveraged. | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
that said 650, a lot of friends of mine said they'll did not think | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
that was a lot of money, the building that were mentioned, | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
it was not even bad story, the buildings were worth | :28:10. | :28:11. | |
The 650 was not on that, it is much less than that. | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
I could give you a list of banks, if that would help you, | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
I would give you a list of banks, very fine institutions, | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
very fine banks, I can do that quickly. | :28:22. | :28:23. | |
I have a great company, tremendous income and the reason | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
bragging way, it is about time that this country has | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
somebody running at that has an idea about money. | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
When we have $20 trillion in debt and our country is a mess, | :28:37. | :28:43. | |
it is one thing to be in debt and our roads and bridges are good, | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
and everything are in great shape and our airports, | :28:47. | :28:56. | |
You land in New York and we do not have the money because it has been | :28:57. | :29:07. | |
And maybe because you have not paid any federal income | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
It would be squandered too, believe me. | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
If your main claim to be president of the United States | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
is your business, then I think we should talk about that. | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
Your campaign manager said that you built a lot of businesses | :29:22. | :29:23. | |
And indeed, I have met a lot of the people who were stiffed | :29:24. | :29:32. | |
I have met dishwashers, painters, architects, | :29:33. | :29:49. | |
who you refuse to pay when they finished their work. | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
We have an architect that designed one of your | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
It is a beautiful facility, it immediately was put to use. | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
And you would not pay what the man needed to be paid what | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
Maybe he didn't do a good job and I was not satisfied with his | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
The thousands of people that you have stiffed over | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
the course of your business, do they not deserve some | :30:15. | :30:16. | |
From someone who has taken their labour, taking | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
the goods they produce, and then refused to pay them? | :30:22. | :30:30. | |
I can only say that I am certainly relieved that my late father never | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
When we talk about your business, you have taken business | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
There are a lot of great businesspeople that have never | :30:38. | :30:45. | |
You even at one time suggested that you would try to negotiate Wrong. | :30:46. | :31:05. | |
-- negotiate down the national debt of the US. | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
Well, sometimes there's not a direct transfer of skills from business | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
to Government, but sometimes what happened in business would be | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
Look, it's all words, it's all sound bites. | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
Some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
real estate assets anywhere in the world, beyond | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
the United States, in Europe, lots of different places. | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there. | :31:26. | :31:35. | |
And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn't get paid, | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage. | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
Now, if you want to change the laws, you've been there a long | :31:45. | :31:47. | |
But I take advantage of the laws of the nation | :31:48. | :31:55. | |
Mr Trump, for five years, you perpetuated a false claim | :31:56. | :32:06. | |
that the nation's first black president was not | :32:07. | :32:08. | |
In the last couple of weeks, you acknowledged what most Americans | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
have accepted for years: The president was born | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
Can you tell us what took you so long? | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
I'll tell you very...well, just very simple to say. | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
Sidney Blumenthal works for the campaign and close...very | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
And her campaign manager, Patti Doyle, went to...during | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
the campaign, her campaign against President Obama, fought very hard. | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
And you can go look it up, and you can check it out. | :32:34. | :32:46. | |
And if you look at CNN this past week, Patti Solis Doyle | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
was on Wolf Blitzer saying that this happened. | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
Blumenthal sent McClatchy, highly respected reporter | :32:52. | :32:52. | |
at McClatchy, to Kenya to find out about it. | :32:53. | :32:54. | |
She failed to get the birth certificate. | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
I got him to give the birth certificate. | :32:58. | :33:06. | |
And I'll tell you why I'm satisfied with it. | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
Because I want to get on to defeating Isis, | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
because I want to get on to creating jobs, | :33:12. | :33:13. | |
because I want to get on to having a strong border, because I want | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
to get on to things that are very important to me and that are very | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
But I just want to get the answer here. | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
The birth certificate was produced in 2011. | :33:26. | :33:26. | |
You've continued to tell the story and question the president's | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
legitimacy in 2012, '13, '14, '15... | :33:30. | :33:30. | |
So the question is, what changed your mind? | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
Well, nobody was pressing it, nobody was caring much about it. | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
I figured you'd ask the question tonight, of course. | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
But I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
I mean, you know...now, everybody in mainstream | :33:47. | :33:53. | |
is going to say, oh, that's not true. | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
Sidney Blumenthal sent a reporter...you just have | :33:56. | :34:02. | |
to take a look at CNN, the last week, the interview | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
But just like she can't bring back jobs, | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
I'm just going to follow up...and I will let you respond to that, | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
But we're talking about racial healing in this segment. | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
What do you say to Americans, people of colour who... | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
I say nothing, because I was able to get him to produce it. | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
He should have produced it a long time before. | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
And clearly, as Donald just admitted, | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
he knew he was going to stand on this debate stage, | :34:35. | :34:36. | |
and Lester Holt was going to be asking us questions, | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
so he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
But it can't be dismissed that easily. | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
He has really started his political activity based on this racist lie | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
that our first black president was not an American citizen. | :34:56. | :35:20. | |
Well, President Obama and Secretary Clinton | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
created a vacuum the way they got out of Iraq, | :35:24. | :35:25. | |
because they got out...what, they shouldn't have been in, | :35:26. | :35:27. | |
but once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
She's been trying to take them out for a long time. | :35:31. | :35:37. | |
But they wouldn't have even been formed if they left some troops | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
behind, like 10,000 or maybe something more than that. | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
Or, as I've been saying for a long time, and I think you'll agree, | :35:44. | :35:53. | |
because I said it to you once, had we taken the oil...and we should | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
have taken the oil...ISIS would not have been able to form either, | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
because the oil was their primary source of income. | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
And now they have the oil all over the place, including the oil...a lot | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
of the oil in Libya, which was another one | :36:07. | :36:08. | |
Well, I hope the fact-checkers are turning up the volume | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
Donald supported the invasion of Iraq. | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
That is absolutely proved over and over again. | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
He actually advocated for the actions we took in Libya | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
and urged that Gadhafi be taken out, after actually doing some | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
But the larger point...and he says this constantly...is | :36:31. | :36:44. | |
George W Bush made the agreement about when American troops | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
When Isis formed in this vacuum created by Barack Obama | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
And believe me, you were the ones that took out the troops. | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
They sat back probably and said, I can't believe it. | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
When they formed, when they formed, this is something that never | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
Now, you're talking about taking out Isis. | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
But you were there, and you were Secretary of State | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
A lot of these are judgment questions. | :37:14. | :37:26. | |
You had supported the war in Iraq before the invasion. | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
That is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her, | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
because she...frankly, I think the best person | :37:36. | :37:37. | |
Why is your...why is your judgment... | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
When I did an interview with Howard Stern, very lightly, | :37:43. | :37:54. | |
first time anyone's asked me that, I said, very lightly, | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
I then did an interview with Neil Cavuto. | :37:58. | :38:09. | |
We talked about the economy is more important. | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
I then spoke to Sean Hannity, which everybody refuses | :38:12. | :38:13. | |
I had numerous conversations with Sean Hannity at Fox. | :38:14. | :38:16. | |
And Sean Hannity said...and he called me the other day...and | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
He said you were totally against the war, | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
Sean Hannity said very strongly to me and other people...he's | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
willing to say it, but nobody wants to call him. | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
He said, you used to have fights with me, because Sean was in favor | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
And I understand that side, also, not very much, | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
because we should have never been there. | :38:45. | :38:45. | |
And then they did an article in a major magazine, | :38:46. | :38:54. | |
But they did an article which had me totally against the war in Iraq. | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
And one of your compatriots said, you know, whether it was before | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
or right after, Trump was definitely...because if you read | :39:04. | :39:05. | |
But if somebody...and I'll ask the press...if somebody | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
would call up Sean Hannity, this was before the war started. | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
He and I used to have arguments about the war. | :39:13. | :39:14. | |
I said, it's a terrible and a stupid thing. | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
It's going to destabilize the Middle East. | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
My reference was to what you had said in 2002, and my | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
Why is your judgment...why is your judgment any | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
different than Mrs Clinton's judgment? | :39:32. | :39:32. | |
Well, I have much better judgment than she does. | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
I also have a much better temperament | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
I have a much better...she spent...let me tell you...she spent | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising...you know, | :39:43. | :39:52. | |
The AFL-CIO the other day, behind the blue screen, | :39:53. | :40:03. | |
I don't know who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton, | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
I said, there's a person with a temperament that's | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
Secretary Clinton? | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
Let's talk about two important issues that | :40:14. | :40:26. | |
were briefly mentioned by Donald, first, Nato. | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
You know, Nato as a military alliance has something | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
called Article Five, and basically it says | :40:33. | :40:34. | |
this: An attack on one is an attack on all. | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
And you know the only time it's ever been invoked? | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
After 9/11, when the 28 nations of Nato said that they would go | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
to Afghanistan with us to fight terrorism, something | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
that they still are doing by our side. | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
With respect to Iran, when I became Secretary of State, | :40:57. | :40:58. | |
Iran was weeks away from having enough nuclear material | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
They had mastered the nuclear fuel cycle under the Bush administration. | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
They had stocked them with centrifuges that | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
I voted for every sanction against Iran when I was in the Senate, | :41:14. | :41:20. | |
So I spent a year and a half putting together a coalition that included | :41:21. | :41:29. | |
Russia and China to impose the toughest sanctions on Iran. | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
And we did drive them to the negotiating table. | :41:36. | :41:37. | |
And my successor, John Kerry, and President Obama got a deal that | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
put a lid on Iran's nuclear programme without | :41:41. | :41:42. | |
The other day, I saw Donald saying that there were some Iranian sailors | :41:43. | :41:59. | |
on a ship in the waters off Iran, and they were taunting American | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
He said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
I'd blow them out of the water and start another war. | :42:11. | :42:12. | |
That is not the right temperament to be | :42:13. | :42:24. | |
..of what we heard Donald say has been about nuclear weapons. | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
He has said repeatedly that he didn't care if other nations | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
got nuclear weapons, Japan, South Korea, even Saudi Arabia. | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
It has been the policy of the United States, | :42:36. | :42:36. | |
Democrats and Republicans, to do everything we could to reduce | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
the proliferation of nuclear weapons. | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
He even said, well, you know, if there were nuclear | :42:45. | :42:46. | |
war in East Asia, well, you know, that's fine... | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
And, in fact, his cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons | :42:50. | :42:59. | |
That is the number-one threat we face in the world. | :43:00. | :43:06. | |
And it becomes particularly threatening if terrorists | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
ever get their hands on any nuclear material. | :43:11. | :43:11. | |
Earlier this month, you said she doesn't have, quote, | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
And I don't believe she does have the stamina. | :43:15. | :43:40. | |
To be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
You have to be able to negotiate our trade deals. | :43:44. | :43:45. | |
You have to be able to negotiate, that's right, with Japan, | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
I mean, can you imagine, we're defending Saudi Arabia? | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
And with all of the money they have, we're defending them, | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
You have so many different things you have to be able to do, | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
and I don't believe that Hillary has the stamina. | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents, an opening | :44:12. | :44:20. | |
of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, | :44:24. | :44:25. | |
Hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. | :44:26. | :44:33. | |
We have made so many bad deals during the last...so she's got | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
Whether it's the Iran deal that you're so in love with, | :44:37. | :44:50. | |
where we gave them $150 billion back, whether it's the Iran deal, | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
whether it's anything you can...name...you almost can't | :44:54. | :44:54. | |
She's got experience, but it's bad experience. | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
And this country can't afford to have another four years | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
We are at...we are at the final question. | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
You know, he tried to switch from looks to stamina. | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
But this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs, | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers, | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
Women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men. | :45:18. | :45:31. | |
And one of the worst things he said was about a woman | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
He loves beauty contests, supporting them and | :45:36. | :45:43. | |
And he called this woman "Miss Piggy." | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
Then he called her "Miss Housekeeping," | :45:48. | :45:49. | |
And she has become a US citizen, and you can bet... | :45:50. | :45:59. | |
She's going to vote this November. | :46:00. | :46:02. | |
You know, Hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials. | :46:03. | :46:16. | |
Some of it's said...somebody who's been very vicious to me, | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
Rosie O'Donnell, I said very tough things to her, | :46:21. | :46:22. | |
and I think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
Extremely rough to Hillary, to her family, and I said to myself, | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
But she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, | :46:33. | :46:46. | |
And I will tell you this, Lester: It's not nice. | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
But it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done. | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
And the only gratifying thing is, I saw the polls come in today, | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
We have to move on to the final question. | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
$200 million is spent, and I'm either winning or tied, | :47:06. | :47:08. | |
One of you will not win this election. | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
So my final question to you tonight, are you willing to accept | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
the outcome as the will of the voters? | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
And sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
But I certainly will support the outcome of this election. | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
And I know Donald's trying very hard to plant doubts about it, | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
but I hope the people out there understand: This election's | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
It's not about us so much as it is about you and your families | :47:36. | :47:43. | |
and the kind of country and future you want. | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
So I sure hope you will get out and vote as though your | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
future depended on it, because I think it does. | :47:50. | :47:51. | |
Will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters? | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
We are a nation that is seriously troubled. | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
The other day, we were deporting 800 people. | :48:01. | :48:08. | |
And perhaps they passed the wrong button, they pressed the wrong | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
button, or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption, but these people | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
that we were going to deport for good reason ended | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
And now it turns out it might be 1,800, and they don't even know. | :48:18. | :48:28. | |
Will you accept the outcome of the election? | :48:29. | :48:30. | |
The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her. | :48:31. | :48:40. | |
That concludes our debate for this evening, a spirit one. | :48:41. | :48:47. | |
We covered a lot of ground, not everything as I suspected we would. | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
The next presidential debates are scheduled for October ninth | :48:51. | :48:52. | |
Louis and October 19th at the University of Nevada Las Vegas. | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
The vice presidential debate is scheduled for October fourth | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia. | :49:01. | :49:03. | |
My thanks to Hillary Clinton and to Donald Trump | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
and to Hofstra University for hosting us tonight. | :49:07. | :49:08. | |
That was the first of three presidential debates. | :49:09. | :49:29. | |
Let's get straight to analysis with Democratic and Republican | :49:30. | :49:32. | |
strategists. They both join us from strategists. They both join us from | :49:33. | :49:39. | |
Washington, DC. Listening to those clips of Donald Trump debating | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
Hillary Clinton last night, how do you think he did? First of all, I'm | :49:43. | :49:49. | |
calling my lawyer to sue you for making you listen to it again! | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
Unless somebody actually throws up on your shoes in these kinds of | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
debates, the people that were supporting Donald Trump thought he | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
did well. The people supporting Mrs Clinton thought she did well. The | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
staff of overnight polls showed that in both cases. I think we will learn | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
over the next couple of days when the larger polls start rolling in, | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
we will see what effect this had on voter behaviour, which is really all | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
that matters. This seems to be a general consensus emerging that | :50:27. | :50:28. | |
Hillary Clinton had a good night but there were no knockout blows against | :50:29. | :50:30. | |
Donald Trump. Do you think she will Donald Trump. Do you think she will | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
have made any of those critical people who are still not decided | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
about this election, whatever that is, a percent of the American | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
electorate, do you think she will have made up their minds in her | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
direction? I think she had an exceptional performance showing | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
strength, stamina and expertise in a range of issues and Donald Trump was | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
incoherent, rambling, he wilted under the pressure and he really | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
just ran out of gas. For a guy who has spoken so much about stamina and | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
strength, he didn't show that in the debate. He had a couple of good | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
minutes in the beginning but towards the end he was gasping for | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
conspiracy theories or factual inaccuracies to keep him propped up | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
on the stage and I help the think this is going to help a lot for | :51:19. | :51:21. | |
Hillary Clinton with undecided voters. Out of 20 people in a focus | :51:22. | :51:29. | |
group, 17 people thought Hillary Clinton one in the battlefield | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
state. The reporting after the debate is going to be important too | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
and you are seeing in battle ground states that a lot of headlines are | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
very bad for Donald so he will have a lot to do to regain Momentum. I | :51:43. | :51:52. | |
don't disagree with anything Doug said. I just think that most people | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
don't watch debates like the three of us do. We're not looking for new | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
alliances or semicolons, but people get a sense of what they are seeing | :52:04. | :52:12. | |
from one candidate to another. People who liked Trump sues start | :52:13. | :52:21. | |
with -- Trump to start with will still have liked him. Do you think | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
the next debate will be important? Will Donald Trump study for it? I | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
doubt it. Donald Trump is going to be Donald Trump, he's 70 years old | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
and is going start again, but it shows you that it might make some | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
sense to strap him into a chair and make him pay some attention to some | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
of these issues because Hillary Clinton's almost clinical analysis | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
and answering of the debate and answering of the debate | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
questions was really kind of remarkable to see and as I wrote in | :52:52. | :52:58. | |
my column for this morning, it was clear that she was tested and | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
trained not to fall into the traps that Donald Trump was going to set, | :53:02. | :53:08. | |
and I thought she did quite well. In some ways she got lucky, there was | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
not a huge amount of time spent on her e-mail issue, how handling of | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
pneumonia didn't come up, she could have been pressed much harder by | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
Donald Trump on of trustworthiness, but I was wondering, does she have | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
to come up with something a bit more inspirational? If she's going to win | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
significant numbers and they don't significant numbers and they don't | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
seem to be flocking to run moment, hasn't she got to come up with | :53:34. | :53:36. | |
something a little bit more inspiring than those clear policy | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
answers? I thought one of the key moments in the debate was when she | :53:42. | :53:42. | |
mentioned this beauty queen Alicia mentioned this beauty queen Alicia | :53:43. | :53:50. | |
who has been denigrated and humility by Donald Trump and brought that | :53:51. | :53:52. | |
story to life as one of the people that she is fighting for and that's | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
going to be a lasting moment for a lot of people when they think about | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
this debate. I think that the tape of inspirational story that Hillary | :54:01. | :54:03. | |
Clinton is going to be talking about throughout the rest of this | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
campaign, as well as a lot of the small business owners that Donald | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
Trump has stiffed and hasn't paid. I think that a lot of motivation and | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
energy is going to be put into our efforts over the next 40 days to | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
register votes, today is National voter registration day in the United | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
States and that is going to be a big piece of what happens out of the | :54:28. | :54:36. | |
Hillary Clinton campaign. Of all the personal stories she could have | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
told, a beauty queen story wouldn't have been my first choice. I think | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
in the second debate, she will come up with a lot more of those types of | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
stories, more like her dad, who hung to worry -- | :54:49. | :54:58. | |
thank you for the analysis, gentlemen. It seems that | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
Republicans are suggesting that Republicans are suggesting that | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
Donald Trump at the worst of that first presidential debate. They have | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
two more dates to go -- debates, and we will see whether last night's | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
debate impact how they prepare for the later debates. A fascinating | :55:17. | :55:24. | |
contest, 80 million people watched on television. We will bring you all | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
the coverage over the next debates as well. | :55:30. | :55:34. |