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I'm Katty Kay in New York City where a day after America's first

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presidential debate, the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

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are busy assessing the fallout. It's the morning after the big

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debate. Here in America, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are losing

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no time getting back out on the campaign trail, she's in North

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Carolina, critical state and he is in Florida trying to persuade voters

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to cast ballots in November and trying to persuade voters,

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campaigners and supporters that they won the crucial presidential debate

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last night. Some 80 million Americans tuned in

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to watch as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump took to the stage at

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host renews bursty in non-violent, shook hands and then the fun began,

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90 minutes long, it whizzed by -- Hof Street University.

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It was feisty, combated, the odd bit of policy was squeezed in and the

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general consensus the day after seems to be Hillary Clinton had a

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strong debate but that there were no Knockout Punch is against her rival

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Republican Donald Trump. The debate was moderated by Lester Holt of NBC

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News. Beginning with you,

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Secretary Clinton, why are you a better choice

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than your opponent to create the kind of jobs that will put more

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money into the pockets The central question in this

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election is really what kind of country we want to be

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and what kind of future Today is my granddaughter's second

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birthday so I think First we have to build an economy

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that works for everyone, That means we need new good jobs

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with rising incomes. I want us to invest in you,

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I want us to invest in your future. That means jobs in infrastructure,

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advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology,

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clean renewable energy and small business because most

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of the new jobs will come We also have to make

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the economy fairer. That starts with raising

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the national minimum wage and also guarantee finally equal

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pay for women's work. I also want to see more

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companies do profit-sharing. If you help create profits,

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you should be able to share in them, I want us to do more to support

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people who are struggling I have heard from so many

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of you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses

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that you are under - family leave, and sick days,

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affordable child care and debt free college,

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by having the wealthy pay their fair share and close

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corporate loopholes. Finally, we tonight

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are on the stage together, We are going to have a debate

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where we are talking about the important issues

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facing our country. You have to judge us,

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who can shoulder the immense awesome Who can put into action plans that

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will make your life better? I hope that I will be able

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to earn your vote on November eight. Secretary Clinton, thank you,

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Mr Trump, the same question, putting more money into the pockets

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of American workers. They are going to Mexico, they are

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going to many other countries. You look at what China is doing

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to our country in terms of making our product,

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they are devaluing their currency and there's nobody in our

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government to fight them. And we have a very good fight

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and we have a winning fight. Because they are using our country

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as a piggy bank to rebuild China and many other countries

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are doing the same thing. So we are losing our good jobs,

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so many of them. When you look at what is happening

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in Mexico, a friend of mine who builds plants says

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they are building some of the biggest plants anywhere

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in the world, some of the most sophisticated,

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some of the best plants. With the United States,

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as he said, not so much. You see this, the small

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car division, leaving. Thousands of jobs leaving

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Michigan, leaving Ohio. They are all leaving and we can't

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allow it to happen any more. As far as childcare is concerned,

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and so many other things, I think Hillary and I agree on that,

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we disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're

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going to do but perhaps it will talk But we have to do stop our jobs

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from being stolen from us, we have to stop our companies

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from leaving the United States and with it, firing all

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of their people. All you have to do is take a look

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at the air conditioning company in Indianapolis,

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they fired 1400 people Hundreds of companies

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are doing this. Under my plan, I will

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be reducing taxes, from 35% to 15% for companies,

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but will be a job creator like we haven't seen since Ronald

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Reagan. It will be a beautiful

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thing to watch. Companies will build,

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they will expand, new companies will start and I look very much

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forward to doing it. We have to renegotiate our trade

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deals and we have to stop these countries from stealing our

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companies and our jobs. I think that trade

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is an important issue. We are 5% of the world's population,

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we have to trade with the other 95%. And we need to have smart,

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fair trade deals. We also need to have a tax

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system that rewards work, And the kind of plan that Donald has

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put forward would be trickle down In fact it would be the most extreme

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version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent

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of the people in this country, I call it Trumped-Up

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trickle-down because that is We just have a different view

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about what is best for growing the economy, how we make

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investments that will produce I think we come at it from

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different perspectives. Donald was very fortunate

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in his life and that's He started his business with $40

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million borrowed from his father. And he really believes that the more

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you help wealthy people, the better off we will be

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and everything will work out My father was a small businessman,

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he worked hard, he printed fabrics on long tables where he pulled out

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those fabrics and went down with a silk screen and dumped

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the pain in and took The more we can do for the middle

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class, the more we can invest in you, your more we can invest

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in you, your future, the better we will be and the better

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we will grow. You have talked about creating

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25 million jobs and you have promised to bring back millions

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of jobs from Americans, how are you going to bring back

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the industry that have left this How specifically are you going

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to tell American manufacturers For one thing, before we start

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on that, my father gave me a small loan in 1975 and I built it

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into a company which is worth many billions of dollars with some

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of the greatest asset in the world, I say that only

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because that is the kind of thinking our country needs,

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our country is in deep trouble. We do not know what we are doing

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as it comes to devaluations, and all of these countries all over

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the world, especially China What they are doing to us

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is a very sad thing. So we have to do that, we have

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to renegotiate our trade deals. They are taking our jobs,

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giving incentives, doing things that Let me give you the example of

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Mexico. They have a VAT tax,

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we have a different system. When we sell into Mexico,

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there is a tax, when they When they sell to us,

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there is no tax. It has been defective

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for a long time but the With all fairness the Secretary

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Clinton, yes, is that ok? In all fairness to Secretary

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Clinton, when we started talking about this, it was very recently,

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she has been doing this for 30 years, why hasn't she made

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the agreement is better? The agreement is

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defective because of Secretary Clinton should have

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been doing this years, they should have been

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doing this the years, not now because we have

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created a movement. What has happened to our jobs

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and our country and our economy Back to the question,

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how do you specifically American manufacturers,

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how do you make them The first thing you do

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is do not let the jobs leave. There are thousands of them,

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they are leaving in bigger And what you do is say, fine,

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you want to go to Mexico or some other country,

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good luck, we wish you luck. But if you think you are going

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to make your air conditioners or cars or cookies or whatever

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you are going to make, and bring them into our country

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without a tax, you are wrong. Once you say you're going to have

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to tax them coming in, and politicians never do this,

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because they have special interests and they want

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those companies to leave, because in many cases,

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they own the company. So we have to stop them from leaving

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and that is a big factor. Let's stop for a second and remember

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where we were eight years ago. We had the worst financial crisis,

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the Great Recession, That was in large part

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because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy,

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failed to invest in the middle class, took their eyes off

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of Wall Street, and created In fact, Donald was one

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of the people who rooted He said, back in 2006, "Gee,

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I hope it does collapse, because then I can go in and buy

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some and make some money." Five million people

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lost their homes. And $13 trillion in family wealth

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was wiped out. Now, we have come

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back from that abyss. So we're now on the precipice

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of having a potentially much better economy, but the last thing we need

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to do is to go back to the policies Independent experts have looked

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at what I've proposed and looked at what Donald's proposed,

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and basically they've said this, that if his tax plan,

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which would blow up the debt by over $5 trillion and would in some

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instances disadvantage middle-class families compared to the wealthy,

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were to go into effect, we would lose 3.5 million jobs

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and maybe have another recession. They've looked at my plans

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and they've said, OK, if we can do this, and I intend

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to get it done, we will have ten million more new jobs,

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because we will be making investments where we

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can grow the economy. Some country is going to be

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the clean-energy superpower Donald thinks that

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climate change is a hoax We can have enough clean energy to

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power a new home and build new homes.

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I have tried to specific about what we can and

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should do and I'm determined that we are going to get the moving again.

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Building on the progress we have made over the last eight years

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but never going back to what got us into trouble in the first place.

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Go anywhere you want, Secretary Clinton, and you will see

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devastation where manufacturing is down 30, 40, 50%.

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It is the worst trade deal ever signed anywhere,

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Now you want to improve transpacific partnership will stop

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You were totally in favour of it, then you had me say how bad it is,

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and you say, I cannot win the debate.

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You know that if you win it will improve it, and that

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You called it the gold standard of trade deals.

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You said it was the finest deal you've ever seen.

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And then you had what I said about it and all of a sudden

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I know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts.

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I did say I hoped it would be a good deal,

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When it was negotiated I concluded it wasn't.

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There are different views about what is good for our country,

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I think it is important to look at what we need to do

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That is why I said, new jobs with rising incomes,

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investments, not in more tax cuts which would

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I do, I have written a book about it, you can pick it up

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tomorrow at a book store or at an airport near you.

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It is because I see this, we need to have strong

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growth, fair growth, sustained growth.

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You are going to approve one of the biggest tax raises

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in history, you're going to drive business out, radiation oceans

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are a disaster and by the way, my tax cut is the biggest

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I am very proud, it will create jobs.

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But regulations, you are going to regulate these businesses

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I have been all over and when I go around, despite the tax cut,

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the things that businesses and people like the most is the fact

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You have regulations on top of regulations and new companies

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cannot form and old companies are going out of business

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and you want to increase regulation and make them even worse.

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I'm going to cut taxes, big league, you are going

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I kind of assumed there would be a lot of these charges and claims.

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We have taken the home page of my website and turned it

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So if you want to see in real time what the facts are,

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We will not add a penny to the debt and your plans

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Look at her website, no different than this,

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go to her website, she tells you how to fight Isis on the website,

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I do not in general Douglas MacArthur would like that.

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At least I have a plan to fight Isis.

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No wonder - you have been fighting Isis your

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Go to the, please, fact checkers, go to work!

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We are still on the issue of achieving prosperity.

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The fundamental difference is concerning the wealthy,

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Secretary Clinton is calling for a tax increase

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for the wealthy, and Mr Trump is calling for tax cuts, defend that.

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I am really calling for major jobs because the wealthy will

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They will expand the company, they will do a great job

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on getting rid of the carried interest provision, if you look,

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it is a great thing for the middle-class, it is a great

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When these people put billions of dollars in companies,

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and bring $2.5 trillion back, I happen to think it is double that,

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probably $5 trillion, that we can't bring

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into our country, with a little leadership, you will get hit

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in here very quickly and it could be put to use on the inner cities

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and a lot of the other things and it would be beautiful.

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And that starts with Secretary Clinton.

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You need to defend tax increases for the wealthy Americans.

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I think I will be blamed for everything that

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has ever happened by the end of this evening.

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Why not, join the debate by saying more crazy things.

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There's nothing crazy about not letting our companies

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This is Secretary Clinton's two minutes.

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We have looked at your tax proposals.

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I do not see changes in the corporate tax rates

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or the kinds of proposals you are referring to that

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would cause the bringing back of money stranded overseas.

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I happen to support that in a way that will work to our benefit.

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When I look at what you have proposed, you have got the Trump

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Loophole which it would so advantage you and the business you do.

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This is Secretary Clinton's question.

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It would be a tax benefit for your family.

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Trickle-down did not work, it got us into the mess

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Slashing taxes on the wealthy has not worked.

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And a lot of really smart and wealthy people know that.

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And they are saying, we need to do more to make

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the contributions we should be making to rebuild the middle-class.

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I don't think top-down works in America.

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I think building the middle-class, investing in the middle class,

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making college debt free so more young people can get

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their education, helping people refinance their debt from college

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at a lower rate, those are the kinds of things that

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Broad-based, inclusive growth is what we need in America.

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Not more advantages for people at the very top.

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Typical politician, all talk, no action, sounds good,

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Our country is suffering because people like Secretary

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Clinton have made such bad decisions in terms of our jobs and in terms

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Now look, we have the worst revival of an economy since the great

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depression and believe me, we are in a bubble right now.

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And the only thing that looks good is the stock market but if you raise

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interest rates even before that, that will come crashing down.

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We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble and we better be awfully careful,

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and we have the Fed doing political things, Janet Yellin

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of the Fed, the Fed is doing political by keeping interest rates

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at this level, and believe me, the day Obama goes off and leaves

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and goes to the golf course for the rest of his life,

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when they raise interest rates, you are going to see some very bad

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things happen because the Fed is not doing their job.

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The Fed is being more political than Secretary Clinton.

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Mr Trump, we are talking about the burdens that American have

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to pay, you have not released your tax returns.

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The reason nominees have released their return

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to the decades is that voters know if their potential president owes

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money and any potential business conflicts, don't Americans

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have a right to know if there is any conflicts of interest?

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I am under a routine audit and it will be released as soon

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You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down

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to the Federal elections where I filed a 104 page

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financial statement of sorts, the forms they have,

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in fact, the income, I just looked today,

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the income is filed at $694 million for this past year.

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If you would have told me I was going to make that 15 or 20

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years ago, I would have been very surprised.

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But that's the kind of thinking that our country needs.

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When we have a country that doing so badly, that is being ripped off

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by every single country in the world, it's the kind

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of thinking that our country needs because everybody,

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we have a trade deficit with all of the countries

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that we do business with, of almost $800 billion a year.

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That means, who is negotiating the trade deals?

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We have political hacks negotiating our trade deal.

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The IRS says an audit of your taxes, you are perfectly

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free to release taxes during an audit, so does

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the public's right to know outweigh your personal...

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I will release them as soon the audit.

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I have been audited for 15 years, I know a lot of people

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who have not been audited, I get audited every year.

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In a way I should be complaining, I do not complain, it is almost

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a way of life, I am audited by the IRS.

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We have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of.

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I will release my tax returns, against my lawyer's wishes,

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when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.

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As soon as she releases them, I will release,

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I will release my tax returns and that is against my lawyers,

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I will tell you this, in fact, watching shows, reading the papers,

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almost every lawyer says, you do not release your returns

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I would go against them if she releases her e-mails.

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Let me admonish the audience, you were meant to be silent.

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I think you have just seen another example of bait and switch.

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For 40 years, everyone running for president has

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You can go and see 39 or 40 years of our tax returns

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We know the IRS has made clear there is no probation, on releasing it,

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You have got to ask yourself, why will he not release his tax returns?

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And I think there could be a couple of reasons.

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First, maybe he is not as rich as he says he is.

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Second, maybe he is not as charitable as he claims to be.

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Third, we do not know all of his business dealings,

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but we have been told through investigative reporting

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that he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks.

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Or maybe he doesn't want the American people,

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all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing

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in federal taxes, because the only years that anybody has ever seen

:25:36.:25:38.

were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state

:25:39.:25:41.

authorities when he was trying to get a casino licence

:25:42.:25:44.

and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax.

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That means 0 for troops, 0 for veterans, 0 for schools or health.

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It means he is not enthusiastic for the country to see what the real

:26:09.:26:11.

reasons are, it must be something terrible he is trying to hide.

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The financial disclosure statements do not give you the tax rates,

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And it seems to me that this is something that the American

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people deserve to see and I have no reason to believe that he is ever

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Because there is something he is hiding.

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And we will guess, we will keep guessing at what it

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But I think the question is where he ever to get

:26:37.:26:41.

near the White House, what would be those conflicts?

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Well, he owes you the answers to that and he should provide them.

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He also raised the issue of your e-mails, do

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I made a mistake using a private e-mail...

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And if I had to do it again, I would obviously do it differently.

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But I'm not going to make any excuses, it was a mistake

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When you have your staff taking the fifth Amendment,

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taking the fifth, so they are not prosecuted, when you have the man

:27:22.:27:24.

that set up the illegal server taking the fifth, I think

:27:25.:27:27.

And believe me, this country thinks it's,

:27:28.:27:35.

As far as my tax returns, you don't learn that

:27:36.:27:45.

much from returns, that I can tell you.

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You learn a lot from financial disclosure.

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And you should go down and take a look about.

:27:53.:27:55.

The other thing, I am extremely under leveraged.

:27:56.:28:01.

that said 650, a lot of friends of mine said they'll did not think

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that was a lot of money, the building that were mentioned,

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it was not even bad story, the buildings were worth

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The 650 was not on that, it is much less than that.

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I could give you a list of banks, if that would help you,

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I would give you a list of banks, very fine institutions,

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very fine banks, I can do that quickly.

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I have a great company, tremendous income and the reason

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bragging way, it is about time that this country has

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somebody running at that has an idea about money.

:28:35.:28:36.

When we have $20 trillion in debt and our country is a mess,

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it is one thing to be in debt and our roads and bridges are good,

:28:44.:28:46.

and everything are in great shape and our airports,

:28:47.:28:56.

You land in New York and we do not have the money because it has been

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And maybe because you have not paid any federal income

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It would be squandered too, believe me.

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If your main claim to be president of the United States

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is your business, then I think we should talk about that.

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Your campaign manager said that you built a lot of businesses

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And indeed, I have met a lot of the people who were stiffed

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I have met dishwashers, painters, architects,

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who you refuse to pay when they finished their work.

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We have an architect that designed one of your

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It is a beautiful facility, it immediately was put to use.

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And you would not pay what the man needed to be paid what

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Maybe he didn't do a good job and I was not satisfied with his

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The thousands of people that you have stiffed over

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the course of your business, do they not deserve some

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From someone who has taken their labour, taking

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the goods they produce, and then refused to pay them?

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I can only say that I am certainly relieved that my late father never

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When we talk about your business, you have taken business

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There are a lot of great businesspeople that have never

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You even at one time suggested that you would try to negotiate Wrong.

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-- negotiate down the national debt of the US.

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Well, sometimes there's not a direct transfer of skills from business

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to Government, but sometimes what happened in business would be

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Look, it's all words, it's all sound bites.

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Some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world,

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real estate assets anywhere in the world, beyond

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the United States, in Europe, lots of different places.

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But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there.

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And when Secretary Clinton talks about people that didn't get paid,

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first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taken advantage.

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Now, if you want to change the laws, you've been there a long

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But I take advantage of the laws of the nation

:31:48.:31:55.

Mr Trump, for five years, you perpetuated a false claim

:31:56.:32:06.

that the nation's first black president was not

:32:07.:32:08.

In the last couple of weeks, you acknowledged what most Americans

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have accepted for years: The president was born

:32:13.:32:14.

Can you tell us what took you so long?

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I'll tell you very...well, just very simple to say.

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Sidney Blumenthal works for the campaign and close...very

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And her campaign manager, Patti Doyle, went to...during

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the campaign, her campaign against President Obama, fought very hard.

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And you can go look it up, and you can check it out.

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And if you look at CNN this past week, Patti Solis Doyle

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was on Wolf Blitzer saying that this happened.

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Blumenthal sent McClatchy, highly respected reporter

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at McClatchy, to Kenya to find out about it.

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She failed to get the birth certificate.

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I got him to give the birth certificate.

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And I'll tell you why I'm satisfied with it.

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Because I want to get on to defeating Isis,

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because I want to get on to creating jobs,

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because I want to get on to having a strong border, because I want

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to get on to things that are very important to me and that are very

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But I just want to get the answer here.

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The birth certificate was produced in 2011.

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You've continued to tell the story and question the president's

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legitimacy in 2012, '13, '14, '15...

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So the question is, what changed your mind?

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Well, nobody was pressing it, nobody was caring much about it.

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I figured you'd ask the question tonight, of course.

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But I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate.

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I mean, you know...now, everybody in mainstream

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is going to say, oh, that's not true.

:33:54.:33:55.

Sidney Blumenthal sent a reporter...you just have

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to take a look at CNN, the last week, the interview

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But just like she can't bring back jobs,

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I'm just going to follow up...and I will let you respond to that,

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But we're talking about racial healing in this segment.

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What do you say to Americans, people of colour who...

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I say nothing, because I was able to get him to produce it.

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He should have produced it a long time before.

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And clearly, as Donald just admitted,

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he knew he was going to stand on this debate stage,

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and Lester Holt was going to be asking us questions,

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so he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed.

:34:40.:34:45.

But it can't be dismissed that easily.

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He has really started his political activity based on this racist lie

:34:49.:34:55.

that our first black president was not an American citizen.

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Well, President Obama and Secretary Clinton

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created a vacuum the way they got out of Iraq,

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because they got out...what, they shouldn't have been in,

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but once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster.

:35:28.:35:30.

She's been trying to take them out for a long time.

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But they wouldn't have even been formed if they left some troops

:35:38.:35:40.

behind, like 10,000 or maybe something more than that.

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Or, as I've been saying for a long time, and I think you'll agree,

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because I said it to you once, had we taken the oil...and we should

:35:54.:35:56.

have taken the oil...ISIS would not have been able to form either,

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because the oil was their primary source of income.

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And now they have the oil all over the place, including the oil...a lot

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of the oil in Libya, which was another one

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Well, I hope the fact-checkers are turning up the volume

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Donald supported the invasion of Iraq.

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That is absolutely proved over and over again.

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He actually advocated for the actions we took in Libya

:36:20.:36:26.

and urged that Gadhafi be taken out, after actually doing some

:36:27.:36:30.

But the larger point...and he says this constantly...is

:36:31.:36:44.

George W Bush made the agreement about when American troops

:36:45.:36:46.

When Isis formed in this vacuum created by Barack Obama

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And believe me, you were the ones that took out the troops.

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They sat back probably and said, I can't believe it.

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When they formed, when they formed, this is something that never

:37:03.:37:06.

Now, you're talking about taking out Isis.

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But you were there, and you were Secretary of State

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A lot of these are judgment questions.

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You had supported the war in Iraq before the invasion.

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That is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her,

:37:30.:37:35.

because she...frankly, I think the best person

:37:36.:37:37.

Why is your...why is your judgment...

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When I did an interview with Howard Stern, very lightly,

:37:43.:37:54.

first time anyone's asked me that, I said, very lightly,

:37:55.:37:57.

I then did an interview with Neil Cavuto.

:37:58.:38:09.

We talked about the economy is more important.

:38:10.:38:11.

I then spoke to Sean Hannity, which everybody refuses

:38:12.:38:13.

I had numerous conversations with Sean Hannity at Fox.

:38:14.:38:16.

And Sean Hannity said...and he called me the other day...and

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He said you were totally against the war,

:38:24.:38:26.

Sean Hannity said very strongly to me and other people...he's

:38:27.:38:33.

willing to say it, but nobody wants to call him.

:38:34.:38:36.

He said, you used to have fights with me, because Sean was in favor

:38:37.:38:40.

And I understand that side, also, not very much,

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because we should have never been there.

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And then they did an article in a major magazine,

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But they did an article which had me totally against the war in Iraq.

:38:55.:39:00.

And one of your compatriots said, you know, whether it was before

:39:01.:39:03.

or right after, Trump was definitely...because if you read

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But if somebody...and I'll ask the press...if somebody

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would call up Sean Hannity, this was before the war started.

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He and I used to have arguments about the war.

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I said, it's a terrible and a stupid thing.

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It's going to destabilize the Middle East.

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My reference was to what you had said in 2002, and my

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Why is your judgment...why is your judgment any

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different than Mrs Clinton's judgment?

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Well, I have much better judgment than she does.

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I also have a much better temperament

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I have a much better...she spent...let me tell you...she spent

:39:38.:39:42.

hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising...you know,

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The AFL-CIO the other day, behind the blue screen,

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I don't know who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton,

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I said, there's a person with a temperament that's

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Secretary Clinton?

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Let's talk about two important issues that

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were briefly mentioned by Donald, first, Nato.

:40:27.:40:28.

You know, Nato as a military alliance has something

:40:29.:40:32.

called Article Five, and basically it says

:40:33.:40:34.

this: An attack on one is an attack on all.

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And you know the only time it's ever been invoked?

:40:38.:40:41.

After 9/11, when the 28 nations of Nato said that they would go

:40:42.:40:44.

to Afghanistan with us to fight terrorism, something

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that they still are doing by our side.

:40:51.:40:56.

With respect to Iran, when I became Secretary of State,

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Iran was weeks away from having enough nuclear material

:40:59.:41:01.

They had mastered the nuclear fuel cycle under the Bush administration.

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They had stocked them with centrifuges that

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I voted for every sanction against Iran when I was in the Senate,

:41:14.:41:20.

So I spent a year and a half putting together a coalition that included

:41:21.:41:29.

Russia and China to impose the toughest sanctions on Iran.

:41:30.:41:35.

And we did drive them to the negotiating table.

:41:36.:41:37.

And my successor, John Kerry, and President Obama got a deal that

:41:38.:41:40.

put a lid on Iran's nuclear programme without

:41:41.:41:42.

The other day, I saw Donald saying that there were some Iranian sailors

:41:43.:41:59.

on a ship in the waters off Iran, and they were taunting American

:42:00.:42:02.

He said, you know, if they taunted our sailors,

:42:03.:42:10.

I'd blow them out of the water and start another war.

:42:11.:42:12.

That is not the right temperament to be

:42:13.:42:24.

..of what we heard Donald say has been about nuclear weapons.

:42:25.:42:29.

He has said repeatedly that he didn't care if other nations

:42:30.:42:32.

got nuclear weapons, Japan, South Korea, even Saudi Arabia.

:42:33.:42:35.

It has been the policy of the United States,

:42:36.:42:36.

Democrats and Republicans, to do everything we could to reduce

:42:37.:42:39.

the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

:42:40.:42:44.

He even said, well, you know, if there were nuclear

:42:45.:42:46.

war in East Asia, well, you know, that's fine...

:42:47.:42:49.

And, in fact, his cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons

:42:50.:42:59.

That is the number-one threat we face in the world.

:43:00.:43:06.

And it becomes particularly threatening if terrorists

:43:07.:43:10.

ever get their hands on any nuclear material.

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Earlier this month, you said she doesn't have, quote,

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And I don't believe she does have the stamina.

:43:15.:43:40.

To be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina.

:43:41.:43:43.

You have to be able to negotiate our trade deals.

:43:44.:43:45.

You have to be able to negotiate, that's right, with Japan,

:43:46.:43:48.

I mean, can you imagine, we're defending Saudi Arabia?

:43:49.:43:56.

And with all of the money they have, we're defending them,

:43:57.:43:59.

You have so many different things you have to be able to do,

:44:00.:44:06.

and I don't believe that Hillary has the stamina.

:44:07.:44:08.

Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace

:44:09.:44:11.

deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents, an opening

:44:12.:44:20.

of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11

:44:21.:44:23.

hours testifying in front of a congressional committee,

:44:24.:44:25.

Hillary has experience, but it's bad experience.

:44:26.:44:33.

We have made so many bad deals during the last...so she's got

:44:34.:44:36.

Whether it's the Iran deal that you're so in love with,

:44:37.:44:50.

where we gave them $150 billion back, whether it's the Iran deal,

:44:51.:44:53.

whether it's anything you can...name...you almost can't

:44:54.:44:54.

She's got experience, but it's bad experience.

:44:55.:45:01.

And this country can't afford to have another four years

:45:02.:45:03.

We are at...we are at the final question.

:45:04.:45:07.

You know, he tried to switch from looks to stamina.

:45:08.:45:11.

But this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs,

:45:12.:45:15.

and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers,

:45:16.:45:17.

Women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men.

:45:18.:45:31.

And one of the worst things he said was about a woman

:45:32.:45:35.

He loves beauty contests, supporting them and

:45:36.:45:43.

And he called this woman "Miss Piggy."

:45:44.:45:47.

Then he called her "Miss Housekeeping,"

:45:48.:45:49.

And she has become a US citizen, and you can bet...

:45:50.:45:59.

She's going to vote this November.

:46:00.:46:02.

You know, Hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials.

:46:03.:46:16.

Some of it's said...somebody who's been very vicious to me,

:46:17.:46:20.

Rosie O'Donnell, I said very tough things to her,

:46:21.:46:22.

and I think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody

:46:23.:46:25.

Extremely rough to Hillary, to her family, and I said to myself,

:46:26.:46:32.

But she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me,

:46:33.:46:46.

And I will tell you this, Lester: It's not nice.

:46:47.:46:51.

But it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done.

:46:52.:46:57.

And the only gratifying thing is, I saw the polls come in today,

:46:58.:47:02.

We have to move on to the final question.

:47:03.:47:05.

$200 million is spent, and I'm either winning or tied,

:47:06.:47:08.

One of you will not win this election.

:47:09.:47:12.

So my final question to you tonight, are you willing to accept

:47:13.:47:15.

the outcome as the will of the voters?

:47:16.:47:17.

And sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

:47:18.:47:24.

But I certainly will support the outcome of this election.

:47:25.:47:28.

And I know Donald's trying very hard to plant doubts about it,

:47:29.:47:32.

but I hope the people out there understand: This election's

:47:33.:47:35.

It's not about us so much as it is about you and your families

:47:36.:47:43.

and the kind of country and future you want.

:47:44.:47:46.

So I sure hope you will get out and vote as though your

:47:47.:47:49.

future depended on it, because I think it does.

:47:50.:47:51.

Will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters?

:47:52.:47:56.

We are a nation that is seriously troubled.

:47:57.:48:00.

The other day, we were deporting 800 people.

:48:01.:48:08.

And perhaps they passed the wrong button, they pressed the wrong

:48:09.:48:11.

button, or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption, but these people

:48:12.:48:14.

that we were going to deport for good reason ended

:48:15.:48:17.

And now it turns out it might be 1,800, and they don't even know.

:48:18.:48:28.

Will you accept the outcome of the election?

:48:29.:48:30.

The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her.

:48:31.:48:40.

That concludes our debate for this evening, a spirit one.

:48:41.:48:47.

We covered a lot of ground, not everything as I suspected we would.

:48:48.:48:50.

The next presidential debates are scheduled for October ninth

:48:51.:48:52.

Louis and October 19th at the University of Nevada Las Vegas.

:48:53.:48:56.

The vice presidential debate is scheduled for October fourth

:48:57.:49:00.

at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia.

:49:01.:49:03.

My thanks to Hillary Clinton and to Donald Trump

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and to Hofstra University for hosting us tonight.

:49:07.:49:08.

That was the first of three presidential debates.

:49:09.:49:29.

Let's get straight to analysis with Democratic and Republican

:49:30.:49:32.

strategists. They both join us from strategists. They both join us from

:49:33.:49:39.

Washington, DC. Listening to those clips of Donald Trump debating

:49:40.:49:42.

Hillary Clinton last night, how do you think he did? First of all, I'm

:49:43.:49:49.

calling my lawyer to sue you for making you listen to it again!

:49:50.:49:54.

Unless somebody actually throws up on your shoes in these kinds of

:49:55.:49:58.

debates, the people that were supporting Donald Trump thought he

:49:59.:50:02.

did well. The people supporting Mrs Clinton thought she did well. The

:50:03.:50:09.

staff of overnight polls showed that in both cases. I think we will learn

:50:10.:50:14.

over the next couple of days when the larger polls start rolling in,

:50:15.:50:20.

we will see what effect this had on voter behaviour, which is really all

:50:21.:50:26.

that matters. This seems to be a general consensus emerging that

:50:27.:50:28.

Hillary Clinton had a good night but there were no knockout blows against

:50:29.:50:30.

Donald Trump. Do you think she will Donald Trump. Do you think she will

:50:31.:50:35.

have made any of those critical people who are still not decided

:50:36.:50:39.

about this election, whatever that is, a percent of the American

:50:40.:50:42.

electorate, do you think she will have made up their minds in her

:50:43.:50:46.

direction? I think she had an exceptional performance showing

:50:47.:50:52.

strength, stamina and expertise in a range of issues and Donald Trump was

:50:53.:50:56.

incoherent, rambling, he wilted under the pressure and he really

:50:57.:51:00.

just ran out of gas. For a guy who has spoken so much about stamina and

:51:01.:51:05.

strength, he didn't show that in the debate. He had a couple of good

:51:06.:51:08.

minutes in the beginning but towards the end he was gasping for

:51:09.:51:14.

conspiracy theories or factual inaccuracies to keep him propped up

:51:15.:51:18.

on the stage and I help the think this is going to help a lot for

:51:19.:51:21.

Hillary Clinton with undecided voters. Out of 20 people in a focus

:51:22.:51:29.

group, 17 people thought Hillary Clinton one in the battlefield

:51:30.:51:33.

state. The reporting after the debate is going to be important too

:51:34.:51:37.

and you are seeing in battle ground states that a lot of headlines are

:51:38.:51:42.

very bad for Donald so he will have a lot to do to regain Momentum. I

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don't disagree with anything Doug said. I just think that most people

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don't watch debates like the three of us do. We're not looking for new

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alliances or semicolons, but people get a sense of what they are seeing

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from one candidate to another. People who liked Trump sues start

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with -- Trump to start with will still have liked him. Do you think

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the next debate will be important? Will Donald Trump study for it? I

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doubt it. Donald Trump is going to be Donald Trump, he's 70 years old

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and is going start again, but it shows you that it might make some

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sense to strap him into a chair and make him pay some attention to some

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of these issues because Hillary Clinton's almost clinical analysis

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and answering of the debate and answering of the debate

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questions was really kind of remarkable to see and as I wrote in

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my column for this morning, it was clear that she was tested and

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trained not to fall into the traps that Donald Trump was going to set,

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and I thought she did quite well. In some ways she got lucky, there was

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not a huge amount of time spent on her e-mail issue, how handling of

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pneumonia didn't come up, she could have been pressed much harder by

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Donald Trump on of trustworthiness, but I was wondering, does she have

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to come up with something a bit more inspirational? If she's going to win

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significant numbers and they don't significant numbers and they don't

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seem to be flocking to run moment, hasn't she got to come up with

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something a little bit more inspiring than those clear policy

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answers? I thought one of the key moments in the debate was when she

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mentioned this beauty queen Alicia mentioned this beauty queen Alicia

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who has been denigrated and humility by Donald Trump and brought that

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story to life as one of the people that she is fighting for and that's

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going to be a lasting moment for a lot of people when they think about

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this debate. I think that the tape of inspirational story that Hillary

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Clinton is going to be talking about throughout the rest of this

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campaign, as well as a lot of the small business owners that Donald

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Trump has stiffed and hasn't paid. I think that a lot of motivation and

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energy is going to be put into our efforts over the next 40 days to

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register votes, today is National voter registration day in the United

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States and that is going to be a big piece of what happens out of the

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Hillary Clinton campaign. Of all the personal stories she could have

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told, a beauty queen story wouldn't have been my first choice. I think

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in the second debate, she will come up with a lot more of those types of

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stories, more like her dad, who hung to worry --

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thank you for the analysis, gentlemen. It seems that

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Republicans are suggesting that Republicans are suggesting that

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Donald Trump at the worst of that first presidential debate. They have

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two more dates to go -- debates, and we will see whether last night's

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debate impact how they prepare for the later debates. A fascinating

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contest, 80 million people watched on television. We will bring you all

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the coverage over the next debates as well.

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