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The Labour Party has been in power in Wales since devolution began 17


years ago, but what policies do they have to offer for the next five


years? Welcome to conference 2016. Good morning and welcome to our


second spring conference programme. A fortnight ago, we were with the


Lib Dems, the Welsh Conservatives, Ukip in Wales and Plaid Cymru are


still to come, but today we are with the Welsh Labour Party who are


meeting at Venue Cymru in Llandudno. You can join in the debate, we are


on Twitter and it would be great to hear from you. Joining me as usual,


the guide through the conference, is Welsh affairs editor Vaughan


Roderick. What a political morning, historical, the Cabinet meeting in


Downing Street, we can't ignore the bigger picture today. In terms of


Europe, big developments this morning. Yes, David Cameron has his


deal and the starting gun is about to be fired for the referendum and


that sums up, if you like, the problem Welsh Labour is going to


have and all the Welsh political parties will have between now and


the Assembly election, how to debate Welsh issues in the Shadow of these


huge ongoing debate about Europe. We will see them try and juggle things


around today, one suspects we will hear references to Europe from the


stage while they are still trying to put across key Assembly messages.


And will they succeed question mark it will be a huge issue casting a


Shadow over the election, but they will be determined to get the Welsh


affairs agenda going. They will try their best but all of the Welsh


party leaders indicated that they would prefer the referendum to be


held in the autumn and the same thing goes for Scotland and Northern


Ireland. It is going to be very difficult for them. So they may try


and sharpen the messages, hone them down to a simpler message, to try


and get through, but it is going to be difficult, particularly this


weekend. We will hear from Carwyn Jones in his speech shortly. What


will be the main message coming out of the conference, do you think?


Well, if the spin coming out of Llandudno is to be believed, they


are going to portray this election as a choice of First Ministers,


between Carwyn Jones and Andrew Arty Davies. I think if that is the case,


I think Labour could be making a huge strategic error -- Andrew RT


Davies. If they are trying to polarise it between Labour and


Conservative, then I think we will hear a lot of attacks on the


Conservatives and not many on Plaid Cymru and Ukip and the Liberal


Democrats, but we shall see. What would be the thinking behind that


decision? To keep the other part is clean ready for a possible


coalition? -- parties. The think it would be they think Carwyn Jones is


a credible First Minister and people in the Labour Party don't think


Andrew RT Davies is, so if they try and make a presidential, people will


choose Carwyn Jones. The problem is quite simply this, Labour polling


around 30-35%, you have three parties polling in the high teens


and early 20s, Ukip, Conservative and Plaid Cymru, and Labour need to


keep those three parties where they are, close together and bunched up,


or else they will start to lose constituencies if one of the three


opposition parties breaks away from the other two. So elevating the


Conservatives, trying to portray it as a two horse race, to me, is an


incredibly rash gamble that could backfire on them very badly. The


other message coming through seems to be we are only halfway through


the job, we need this extra five years to complete delivery, if you


like. How is Carwyn Jones going to sell that one beyond the Hall? It is


a huge problem. Labour have been in power since devolution but they were


in power in Wales two years before that, they have been in power since


1997, almost 20 years. All laws political logic would tell you after


20 years, you would expect a change in the election, so we need more


time, when you have already had 19 years, is a very hard sell. Thank


you Vanessa. As we were saying, the First Minister is getting ready to


address delegates -- thank you for now. Let's get more reaction on the


main story of the day, the deal struck in Brussels. After two days


of negotiations with other EU leaders, David Cameron announced he


had managed to secure a package of measures giving the UK special


status in the EU. He is meeting the Cabinet in Downing Street right now


after which he may announce a date for the referendum on whether


Britain should stay or leave in the EU. We could get that tomorrow, the


thinking at the moment is it is going to be the 23rd of June, we


will get confirmation. Before we came on power, our reporter caught


up with the MEP Derek Vaughan, who gave us his reaction. The Prime


Minister has done his deal, so congratulations to the Prime


Minister. When you look at the reforms he has negotiated, it ranges


from the trivial to the useful to the slightly concerning, but he has


done that deal and I believe in a few weeks' time, we will forget


about the deal and the most important question is is Wales


better off in the European Union and the answer is of course, yes. Do you


think the deal will have any impact on the way people vote? It may sway


some people, particularly in the Conservative Party but the majority


of people will look at the bigger question, is Wales better than the


European Union and we know we are, because of the funding we get, the


jobs linked to trade and the workers' writes that come from the


EU, so it is strongly in Wales' interest to campaign in -- stay in


the EU and we will campaign for that. Wales is a beneficiary when it


comes to the EU but the UK is a net contributor. Do you frame the


arguments differently when campaigning in Wales? Absolutely.


The UK is a net contributor, but when we do do research, Wales is a


net beneficiary to the tune of ?838 million and if we left the EU, we


would still have do pay in to be a member of the single market and we


would move from being a net beneficiary to a net contributor, so


that seems to me ridiculous. We are much better off financially and


economically being in the European Union. When it comes to the Labour


Party, are united on this issue, does everyone feel the same way? The


Labour Party is the most United party in this referendum campaign.


Our leader Jeremy Corbyn will campaign to stay in, we know almost


every single MP will campaign to stay in, we believe every Welsh


Labour Assembly member will campaign to stay in so we will be fighting


hard to make sure we secure the future of Wales in the European


Union. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't always been so pro-Europe, has he? In the


past, maybe not, but we were absolutely delighted when he said he


believed the UK's interest was in the European Union and he would


campaign to stay in. Of course, in the Labour Party, we want a


different type of European union, union that is focused on jobs and


growth, more of a social Europe, so we will be arguing that case as well


but overall, it is much better for the UK to be a member of the


European Union. Finally, when it comes to the Welsh is the campaign,


do you think this issue will now dominate that campaign, overshadow


it, as it were? Well, it is bound to get entangled in some way but there


will be overlap as well, so doing a campaign for the Welsh is the


elections, I will be saying the Welsh Government has delivered EU


funds for Wales, so we have fantastic examples right across the


company, whether it is growth jobs Wales, funded by the European Union,


the second campus at Swansea University where they are all


apprenticeship schemes, all those things are funded by the European


Union but backed by the Welsh Government, so we can find some


overlap between the Assembly elections and the EU referendum


campaign. Derek Vaughan, thank you. Derek Vaughan, MEP, speaking to our


reporter in Llandudno. We will catch up with Stefan messenger throughout


the programme. In terms of the Labour Party here in Wales, have


divided are they on Europe? Historically, there are some big


divisions. Historically, there were, if you remember all the way back to


1975, the county with the highest proportion of no votes in 1975 in


anywhere in England and Wales was mid Glamorgan because Labour, back


in 1975 in Wales, pretty solidly against it, because a lot of major


figures were against it. Michael foot, Neil Kinnock, at the start of


his career. Now things have changed, very few Labour Eurosceptics in


Wales. There are a few greybeards around, if I can put that away,


people like Denzil Davies, former Treasury Minister, back in those


days in the 1970s, but amongst the active membership of the Labour


Party, I haven't come across anyone who is planning to be on the No


side. So it will be awkward in terms of the Yes Campaign. You will have


Labour politicians sharing a platform with conservatives on the


referendum front and yet trying to attack them when it comes to the


Welsh election. How is that going to work? Let's remember there is a gap,


not a huge gap, of about six weeks. Labour learnt a lesson in Scotland


about how damaging sharing platforms with the Conservatives could be


politically, so I suspect that in at least the early part of the


referendum campaign, the campaign that is going on at the same time as


the Assembly campaign, that you will see very little cross party


activity. I don't think it is in anybody's interests to muddy the


waters in Wales. We don't know yet what Andrew RT Davies, whether he


will be a leave all remain, I suspect remain, but we will see. But


UNC Carwyn Jones, Leanne Wood and Andrew RT Davies and Kirsty Williams


standing on the same stage saying remain behind them -- you will not


see. But there are difficulties and difficulties for us as broadcasters.


How do you balance two sides of an argument where four out of the five


main parties are on one side and only one party is on the other and


you are meant to be balancing? It will cause all sorts of


difficulties. No one really knows how it will play out but I am


willing to bet we won't see cross-party activity this side of


the Assembly elections. Which is precisely why Carwyn Jones and


others had written to David Cameron saying please don't do it in June.


If it does, they will be pretty cross, weren't they? Yes, and Carwyn


Jones will have do answer questions about how much clout he has within


the Labour Party because let's remember, Jeremy Corbyn and the


Labour MPs say they favour having a June referendum. Well, that does


call into question how much clout Carwyn Jones actually has within his


own party and I think he will be asked that question and it may be


quite difficult for him to answer it. We will have him on the


programme later and we can certainly as Kim. In terms of Jeremy Corbyn,


his speech, we heard of this morning and we are about to hear it on this


programme. Tricky, coming into Wales? How are things between Jeremy


Corbyn and carbon at the Redcar win Wales -- and Carwyn Jones these


days? Pretty friendly, no incoming or outgoing fire, he has said things


the Welsh Government would want him to say but the problem is there are


large numbers of people in Labour in Wales who believe Jeremy Corbyn is


not a help for them in the Assembly elections, that he is in fact a


hindrance and you can see that every day, we get press releases in the


bay from the Conservative Party which always referred to the Labour


Party as Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party, even when it is Jeremy


Corbyn's Labour Party hasn't moaned the grass... They are trying to


attach Jeremy Corbyn's name to the party and Wales Labour Party will be


trying to keep a bit of distance, but they cannot ignore him, they


cannot say don't come, so how they handle that will be... It is


interesting, what does it say about the positioning on the political


spectrum about the Labour Party? You would have thought such a left-wing


leader would have gone down well in Wales but it is not the case. Let's


be clear, Jeremy Corbyn is very popular with a lot of grass roots


members in Wales, as he is across the UK and an awful lot of people,


even people who are not great fans of him as leader, agree with him on


a lot of the issues. The problem is they can see the polling like


everyone else can see it and the polls reflect that Jeremy Corbyn


hasn't yet, things may change, but he hasn't yet won the trust and the


confidence of the bulk of the voters. He is not doing very well in


the polls and there is no reason to think that is any different in Wales


to the rest of the UK. Let's cut to the chase, Carwyn Jones doesn't want


him throughout the campaign to be banging on doors in Wales, does he?


No, but he can't keep him out either. One would suspect there are


probably some constituencies where Jeremy Corbyn might be an asset to


the party. Probably not the ones you think. People say he might go down


well in the Rhondda, but I don't think that is necessary the case,


but constituencies like Cardiff Central, there may be some use for


him there. And here we have Ken Skates, the minister, addressing


conference at the moment. We are expecting Carwyn Jones very shortly


and as soon as he gets to his feet, we will cut back to the conference.


In terms of delivery, then, is 17 years in power but we need more


time... Can we say, you know, this is Carwyn Jones saying I am only


halfway through the job because I have only been in power. Is he


disowning the ten years before him, what is going on? I think there is


an element of that. If you were to ask me how long does Carwyn Jones


intend to remain as First Minister, presuming he is First Minister after


the election, I would say he is probably intending to do ten years.


And ten years would be about another four years before there was a Labour


leadership election, pour out of the five years of the next Assembly


term. So for him, it is halfway through and there has been an


element of disowning going on. Remember that description of Labour


having taken their eye off the ball on education, for instance. And we


have seen new measures being introduced, particularly in


education and in health and the economy and so on which assured, the


Government argues, pay off over the next five years, but it is a very


hard sell. The question is to what extent you can run, as they did


quite successfully, one has to say, in 2011, against the Government in


Westminster. That is a bit more difficult this time, I think they


are going to have to do a lot more defending of their own record. Last


time, Carwyn Jones was relatively new in post, he could pretend change


had happened. Rhodri Morgan had given way. Can't do that this time.


Let's go to the conference centre. Stephan messenger, how are they, are


they in fine form? Yes, welcome to Llandudno and welcome to Venue


Cymru, the largest venue yet, 900 delegates, 200 more than last year.


Let me give you a tour, this is the reception, through there is the


conference hall itself, where earlier we were hearing from Jeremy


Corbyn. Carwyn Jones will take to the stage soon. Hoping to talk to


members of the Labour Party and assembly members. Delegates are


quite buoyant, they are lively and in an upbeat mood, they say they


were impressed by the six key pledges earlier in the week, clear


messages that they can sell on the doorstep when it comes to the


election. Things like 100,000 more apprenticeships, the most ambitious


childcare offer anywhere in the UK. Jeremy Corbyn has just come off the


stage and he gave his reaction to the political editor and we will


play that interview later. Interestingly he framed his


arguments very much as Labour versus Tory, and that is what we are


expecting Carwyn Jones to do as well later. Saying, I am the First


Minister, do you want me or do you want Andrew Davies? We are expecting


him to poke fun at the Tory leader when he takes to the stage any


minute. He says that he has an inspiring record of hope and


achievement and he was praising members saying that they have a lot


to teach the party in the UK and the UK public as well when it comes to


an alternative to the Tories. It will be interesting to see how


Carwyn Jones reacts when he takes to the stage soon. We will rally round


and find delegates to get their reactions as well. In terms of the


reaction to Jeremy Corbyn in the hall, is he very, very welcome


there? Well, he certainly had a standing ovation when he came in,


whooping and cheering at different points. He was very praising Welsh


Labour, saying that it is part of the UK that the party can learn


from. His speech was well received by delegates. We have not really had


much of a chance to speak to them since he came off but we are hoping


to get the reaction of Jeremy Corbyn speaking to our political editor


very soon. You will have plenty of time. Thanks very much. We will be


back with you shortly. As we prepare to hear from Carwyn Jones, we have


had the pledges and the line of attack and the spin, what else will


we hear from him? Well, it will be interesting to hear how much defence


of his record we will get. He is in land at no. It is in North Wales. --


he will have to address issues surrounding health because it is a


live wire issue in that part of Wales. It is probably the most


important part of Wales when it comes to the assembly elections in


May. Labour are genuinely worried about what will happen to them in


the north of the country. The other opposition parties are very bullish


about how they might do, sensing that there are a number of Labour


held constituencies that could be vulnerable in the north of the


country. I would expect him to have to address that and possibly pitch


specifically to voters in the north of the country. Do we translate


Labour vulnerability from the general election to this election?


You would start with the ones they took in the Westminster election


which they don't currently hold in the assembly, like the Vale of


Clwyd, the Vale of Glamorgan. There are other seats, like Wrexham and


seats across Wales where Labour won last time. With around 35% of the


vote. They won because the opposition vote was divided between


numerous parties, which is why I say I find this framing of Labour versus


Tory to be almost bizarre. In terms of a strategy. They would have


thought it through carefully, though. Of course. Is it just down


to personalities? They probably see a sharp contrast between Carwyn


Jones and Andrew Davies. There is an element in Welsh Labour that loves


to rile Plaid Cymru. They will say that if it is us against the Tories


it will annoy plaid Cymru. You get it from both sides. There is a quite


childish sort of dissing of each other that goes on between them. I


would be amazed if Carwyn Jones and the Labour strategists have let that


sort of thinking influence their assembly strategy in a way that I


think, you know, is very risky for them. It's a big gamble. That's just


me, I maybe wrong and they could be right. You are thinking it could be


huge Philip for the Tories by raising their profile? Labour is


polling in the mid-30s which is good enough for them to remain the


largest party in the assembly, comfortably, provided the opposition


vote is equally split. If you elevate one party above the others,


if you are sending signals to Ukip voters to vote for the Tories, you


could get Carwyn Jones out, and they may take that option. This is the


wife of Carwyn Jones introducing him, Lisa Jones. No, we are not


ready to cross over there yet, but it means he is imminent. He is


running late, what does that say? Ten minutes late. Anyway, these


things can slip at conferences. This is a tricky election and this speech


will really count, the trickiest one for Labour so far since devolution?


This is a key speech and one of the reasons it is running late is that


they may alter it because of the developments on Europe. He will have


to address the European question. It would have been there anyway but I


wonder if the section is having to be rewritten and it may explain a


bit of the tardiness. This is a difficult speech for Carwyn Jones


but then he is good at this stuff, he is an effective platform speaker.


Still an Carwyn Jones's wife. He is effective and often seen as a better


manager rather than a conviction politician. He has the fight in his


belly to go for it, though? Well, yes. When he goes for it he goes for


it big time, there are people in the Labour Party who feel that sometimes


he can come across as arrogant or even patronising. That's one thing


that he has to watch. And in terms of... You think he might be


saying... Will we hear from him that this is it and he will have one more


term? I don't think a party leader... He will try to avoid


saying that. David Cameron has said this. In terms of him carrying on,


going on forever, you don't think it's likely? I don't think he will


say that, no. Let's make it clear, I have not had private conversations


where he has told me his thinking. My guess would be that he would


think about doing the same thing that Roger Morgan did, around ten


years, that would give a new Labour leader about a year in the run-up to


the next assembly election. Let's cross to the conference to hear what


Carwyn Jones's wife has to say. Sat in the first assembly in 1999, when


he was promoted to Minister of agriculture and finally he was


elected in 2009 as First Minister. APPLAUSE


It was a very hard time. As you know, it was a difficult time for us


is a family because Janice, his mother, my lovely mother-in-law, was


seriously ill and died shortly after but he did all of this with


unwavering passion and conviction. SPEAKS WELSH. I am very proud to


welcome my husband, best friend and inspiration to the platform, Carwyn




. Wow Full follow that! Thanks for


those lovely words. I will remind you of them when you are telling me


off for forgetting something. That was quite something. Many thanks.


APPLAUSE It is great to be back here in


Llandudno. I would like to thank Jeremy for being here today, his


inspirational words this morning, and his commitment to the Welsh


Labour win. To our Shadow Secretary of State and campaigner


extraordinaire, thank you for fighting our corner in Westminster.


And to our retiring AMs. I will miss you and Wales will miss you, but I


know you will be supporting our team in winning in May. Thanks for your


hard work. APPLAUSE It's always of course a great


pleasure to be able to speak in Llandudno. I remember before we met


in 2011, speaking to the staff at Welsh Labour they said they wanted


to do something different with the branding and focused on me. I had


not been leader for very long and they wanted to cash in on that


freshfaced optimism. I said that was fine but a bit uncomfortable. Do


what you think will work as long as it is not too over the top. They


said great, don't worry, it will be understated. What did I see on the


first morning? A 30 foot banner of me! The BBC nicknamed it


Carwynzilla! You don't know what self-doubt is until you have seen


your own face five foot wide. I asked Lee says she wanted to keep it


and she laughed. -- Lisa. Apparently we have now used it to wrap up the


Ed Stone! I'm glad we have more traditional branding on show.


on a more serious note it is worth going back to the moment in 2011


when we gathered here to reflect on what we said at that time. The


Tories had been in power in Westminster for nine months and


already set about wrecking the social fabric of Britain. Attack


after attack at our communities, laying waste to opportunity and the


basic notion of fairness that was sacrificed on the altar of


austerity. We in Wales knew that we had a mighty responsibility on our


shoulders, we promised to stand up for Wales and we did. When the


Tories cut our budget we made tough choices in order to protect the NHS


and our schools, spending more on education and health than is the


case in England. When the Tories closed down Remploy we stood with


disabled workers and save jobs. When the Tories tried to slash pay, we


went to the Supreme Court and won a victory for fairness and the right


to a decent wage. When the Tories trebled tuition fees


for students, we stepped in and said we would pay the difference because


we believe in your future. APPLAUSE.


And you know what makes me more proud than anything else that we


did? When the Tories cut the future jobs fund, when they took away a


lifeline to young people in the very teeth of the recession, when people


needed a helping hand more than ever before, we didn't stand idly by and


pointed the finger of blame. We created Jobs Growth Wales and 1,500


people have been given the chance to work. Welsh Labour did that and


don't let anyone forget it. And now the Tories are trying to foist on us


Wales Bill that will drag us backwards. It will drag power back


to Westminster, undermine the devolution settlement and give power


to faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall and we will say no to that as well.


The constitutional wrangle has gone on for long enough. Even I am bored


of it now and I am fond of the constitutional debate, but this the


buckle has two stop. The Wales Bill debacle is just another result of


Kamrrem's chaos in Westminster -- David Cameron's chaos. This is the


Prime Minister that almost lost Scotland and the pantomime we have


witnessed in Brussels has done very little to help the In Campaign for


the European referendum. He has instigated unprecedented junior


doctor strikes in England and his constant undermining of the settled


will of the Welsh people is a gift to the otherwise moribund


nationalist movement in Wales. It is time to send a message to David


Cameron that Wales is not a second-class nation. Wales will not


put up with second best and Welsh Labour will fight you every step of


the way. The Tories have never been a friend


to Wales. And week after week, we have seen them try to use our


communities to set the agenda in London. When they lied about our


NHS, we called them out and now we have the international evidence to


support our case. We stood up for Wales, we still do stand up for


Wales and every day, we will fight the corner for our country, but we


now know that we need to do more. In 2011, I promised a decade of


delivery, a ten year focus on the bread-and-butter issues that matter


to peoples everyday lives. There is no question that in the early days


of devolution, the young Assembly became an ideas factory of inventive


policy, the foundation phase, free bus passes, a cap on care charges,


ideas we have kept unrefined and will deliver for young people. Now


ours is the task to combine ideas with delivery. That is the mission


of my political lifetime, to deliver on that early promise. And that is


why we have made some tough decisions and we have taken some


flak. School tests, many were sceptical but for the parents and


children, it was the right thing to do. Tuition fees policy, some didn't


like it, some still don't, but for our students, it was the right thing


to do. I health board in special measures, is that we have never


taken before but it was the right step for the patients in North


Wales. I have never been afraid of the tough decisions in the last five


years and I will never be afraid to make more in the next five years,


because this is a Government ready to stand up against vested interest.


And since 2011 and despite the Tory cuts, we have made enormous


progress. Since 2011, people's GCSE results have risen by 78%. Results


for people from the most disadvantaged backgrounds have


increased faster still. A start results at A-level are the highest


they have ever been. The attainment grab bag of the late gap is now


closing at every key stage of education. Cancer survival rates are


growing faster in Wales than anywhere else in the UK, even as


more and more are diagnosed. In Wales, the number of people


suffering delayed transfers of care are coming down. In England, they


are at record levels. And next year, we will be training more nurses than


ever before, the highest since devolution, a 10% increase on this


year. In 2011, unemployment was at 9.3%, now it is that by .3%, lower


than Scotland, Northern lower than London. Our investment figures are


the best for 30 years -- now it is at 5.3%. In this six and a bit years


I have been First Minister, I had left no stone unturned in getting


out and selling Wales to the world and in the last five years, the


world has come to Wales. Our record inward investment figures make a


mockery of those who want to return to the days of the Welsh development


agency. The biggest tip that Wales ever saw in the GDP happened in the


so-called halcyon days of the WDA, in the early 1990s. The jobs that


did come in were secured over expensive lunches with promises of a


low pay economy. They were here today but gone tomorrow jobs. But my


ministers have been out and fought for the best, good jobs, decent


wages. We are not interested in waiting for scraps from the table.


Wales is on the up. And on every measure that matters and despite a


record cut to our budget, we are doing better. And it is because we


are getting the basics right. It means that our people and their


institutions have more opportunity to shine. Wales is on the up, Wales


is on the map. We are halfway through that decade of delivery and


making progress every day. The momentum we are seeing in schools,


hospitals, the economy, can only know be scuppered by a change in


political direction in the Assembly. -- only now be scuppered. Now, you


know I am not in the habit of agreeing with Andrew RT Davies. Who


is that, somebody said. But those who don't know, and there is no


reason you should, he is the Tory leader in the National Assembly. But


he said two things in response to some recent polls which I totally


agree with. He said that the Tories are the only alternative to Welsh


Labour in the Assembly. And he has also said it is a straight fight


between me and him for who will be the next First Minister of Wales,


and he is dead right on both counts. Sure, there are distractions on the


sidelines, not least from Ukip, but we can never lose sight of the fact


that this election is a straight fight between us and the Tories. Our


vision and values against theirs. And that is not a fight the people


of Wales can afford us to lose. APPLAUSE.


So together, for Wales, we must make our case more clearly, more


passionately and more persuasively than ever before. We have achieved


so much, but there is much more to do. So, we have made six new


promises to the people of Wales. 30 hours of free childcare for working


parents, covering not just 38 weeks of the year, as elsewhere in the UK,


but 48 weeks' worth of care for three and four-year-olds. Our


commitment doesn't set down what -- Centre on what Government wants to


deliver, it centres on what parents need and this will cement the flying


start scheme we have placed in the most disadvantaged communities. This


is not an investment just in working families, in the children's future,


but in the economy too. We know how hard it is for so many working


mothers in particular to get back to work and had a's commitment will


make family life that much easier. -- and with today's commitment.


Wales will have the most comments or childcare offer in the UK. That is


something to fight for. Last year, Wales recorded our best


ever GCSE results thanks to our schools challenge come reprogram,


some of the most challenged schools reported increases of over 10% --


schools challenge Cymru. But we can never be too ambitious, so we commit


to establishing a ?100 million school standards fund to improve


still further on the results our pupils and teachers are achieving


together. With Welsh Labour, we can prove that all schools can be good


schools and that is something to fight for.


And when people finish their education, they have a right to a


good job, with excellent training and good prospects. That is why a


future Welsh Labour Government will pledge the fund 100,000 extra


apprentices by the end of the next Assembly. That scheme will be open


to all ages and it means that everyone has the opportunity to


fulfil their potential in the workplace. As far as possible, we


will meet that challenge of a good job closer to home. With Welsh


Labour, good quality work and training, that is something to fight


for. We know that small businesses are


the lifeblood of our economy, our communities and our high streets


too. So we will give a tax break to all small businesses in Wales using


our new powers on business rates. This will help three quarters of


business premises in Wales and half of all eligible businesses will pay


no business rates at all in the future. The message we get from SMEs


is for Government to keep it simple and let them get on with it. This


level of support will do exactly that, no red tape, no complicated


forms, just helping hand in tough times. With Welsh Labour, a business


friendly Government on your side. Conference, that is something to


fight for. Conference, we will develop a new treatment fund in


Wales to ensure that people suffering life-threatening


conditions can have access to the latest medicine and treatment. We


know that new technology, medicines and treatments represent a serious


challenge to NHS budgets, just as they also represent a new lifeline


to seriously ill patients. We know these treatments are being developed


and tested on an almost weekly basis and this dedicated central fund will


enable the most advanced drugs and high cost treatments for


life-threatening illnesses to be available in Wales first, not just


for cancer but other conditions such as cystic fibrosis and multiple


sclerosis. With Welsh Labour, an NHS that will stay free from


privatisation but keep pace with modernisation and that is something


to fight for. Finally, we believe that people in


old age who need extra help, those who have paid fair and paid in, they


deserve a fairer deal. So we will double the capital limit they will


be able to keep on the sale of their home should they need to go into


care. That is ?50,000 people Campas onto their family. They have earned


it, they should be allowed to use it. With Labour -- Welsh Labour,


responsibility rewarded, that is the Wales I believe it, where those who


have put in a decent shift get a fair deal. Those are the six pledges


we announced this week that we will take to the people of Wales. But I


want to add to that today. I can say with absolute certainty that when


income tax powers devolved to Wales, there will be no tax rises under the


Welsh Government after May. This again will demonstrate


responsibility rewarded. If you work hard, we are going to stand with you


and be there in the tough times, working together for Wales. And as


we are in the north of Wales, I have one more pledge to share with you


today. If we form the next Government, that just as the


south-east of the country will get the Metro project, so too we will


start planning for the North to get its own integrated transport system.


APPLAUSE. Our vision... Our vision is to


create a reliable, efficient and quality integrated transport network


across the region that will connect people to communities, jobs and


services. And when additional powers of rail are devolved, we will have


they tools to develop an integrated system, faster and more frequent


rail is to employment centres and the north-west of England. Improved


train stations, reliable bus networks, combined ticket


arrangements and walking and cycling routes that link communities.


Integrated travel hubs would facilitate travel across the region


and we know that the 855 is a key trunk road and we continue to invest


in improving its resilience -- the A55. That is what will happen if we


form the next Government. We need, of course, to be very clear


in our own minds about the challenge ahead of us in May. This will be our


toughest ever Assembly election campaign, coming off the back of a


difficult General Election, trying to manage the record cut to our


budget, fighting a Tory Government doing everything they can to


undermine us and for another reason to, the Ukip challenge. It is very


real. It isn't going away and the General Election showed us in Wales


in particular just how badly it can hit us in seats we hold. So how do


we answer this challenge, what will Ukip do to our politics? Well, it


can do one of two things, it can challenge us to be better or worse.


It could make us change our message, tone down our positive, progressive,


internationalist values, to mimic Ukip and offer a red tinge to the


answers they give on community cohesion and Europe. We could give


into their kind of politics and let them think that there are easy and


so is but I think to respond in that way would make our politics worse.


They can challenge us to be better and not give anyone in our


communities the excuse to turn to Ukip and make sure that the mantra,


you are all the same and you break your promises, make sure that is


never true. Make sure the NHS is there for people and make sure that


towns and villages are a source of pride and make sure there is housing


for those who need it. And create good jobs, and accessible to all, as


local as they can be at good pay and with these in training. Faced with


the Ukip challenge that is the path Labour must take. Listen harder,


work harder to earn trust and do better at delivering for them. That


is the right response and that is the Welsh Labour response.


I can tell you, the answer does not lie in the gutter but in raising our


game. Let those people thinking about voting for Ukip hear the


message loud and clear, we have heard your complaint and we promise


to listen and deliver for you. Other parties will seek to define us in


the man's head, attacks will be lazy, you can write them now, we


have had long enough and it's time for a change. The last time I


checked democratic politics doesn't work on a turn basis. You have to


win people over and win the battle of ideas and have a compelling


vision for Wales that is ambitious, deliverable and affordable and I


make no apology for Welsh Labour wanting to win that contest again


and again and I make no apology for saying we are going all out for


another win in May. Let me tell you about the Welsh


Labour Party that I'm proud to lead. We are a party that knows the true


meaning of the word aspiration, it is not a word that belongs to the


Home Counties focus groups, it belongs to us all. My mum and dad


wanted the best for me and I want the best for my kids as we all do.


We need to be proud of our role in helping everyone to realise their


ambitions. People aspire to a decent roof over their heads and that is


why will end the right to buy in the next assembly. -- we will end. Maybe


you are ready to bite your first home and that is why we established


and will extend the help to buy scheme. People want the best art for


their children but don't have the networks and money to do the classes


and coffee mornings that bring others together and that is where


our new childcare scheme comes in, making sure that all parents and


children have access to the best practice and facilities at that


crucial age. Some people aspire to set up and run their own business


which is why we have established a new ?50 million entrepreneur fund


and will cut business rates. Depending on where you are on wide


journey, your ambitions and aspirations will be different but


Welsh Labour believes that government has a role in helping


people to achieve, we are not and never will be like the Tories, the


sink or swim party. Together for Wales is a phrase that really mean


something to us in this hall. We need to make sure it means something


to everyone in every corner of Wales before this election campaign is


done. It feels as though I have or are you been to every town and


village in Wales a few times over and I will do so again. This is the


bit we got into politics to do, to make our case and make a difference


and that's what we need you to do over the coming months, this week I


was with our excellent candidate, Lee Walters, brilliant visit to a


local nursery to talk about our childcare pledge. A young girl in a


tutu took a shine to him and would not let him go. He went about a


traditional Labour red! I'm not sure he has ever suffered from being over


helped but that's what the campaign Trail is all about com 80s where you


experience the fun side of life, I was with Jane who took me on the


famous High Street tour of Barry and for a socialist of renowned, I don't


think I have seen her on first named terms with so many business owners.


It is a fantastic deli in Barry, it has a sideline in novelty party


food. Don't eat the custard creams, I have not experienced anything so


sour since the last Katie Hopkins:! -- column. That pledge to cut tax


for high-street businesses was music to the ears of the people we met


because running a small business is a Labour of love. Do you take


someone on, take the risk? Our pledge will help businesses say yes


to those questions. Yesterday I was with Aaron Jones in real at a


nursery and I talked to Michelle who runs the nursery about the


difference that Fine Start is making to same and if families in Wales. We


know that the childcare pledge will make a massive difference to


families the length and breadth of Wales, helping so many people to get


back to work. Thanks to what we have done in recent years we know that


the job is waiting for them too. we didn't just take Wales through


the economic storm, we did not just whether the cuts, we did better, we


change Wales for the better and made Wales are global brand and gave the


unemployed are helping hand. We saved our airport, and gave everyone


in the NHS are guaranteed living wage, no to fracking and yes to


clean energy, and we did all of this and much more with a Tory government


trying to wreck it all from Westminster. But we need to do more.


To do it all again. To do better still. We are halfway through the


decade of delivery, and we can't afford to let the momentum going


now. The pledges that we have made this week show that we have the


ideas, the energy and the passion to win again, and to govern again. I am


incredibly proud to be First Minister of Wales, incredibly proud


to be Welsh Labour leader and it means more to me than I can tell


you. It's something I will never take for granted. I know just how


tough this election is going to be, everyone will have to play our part,


to pull together, to work together, to campaign together. Our future is


bright. Our best days are ahead. Let's get out there, win the


arguments, door by door, street by street, and win a better future for


our country and we will do that by working and campaigning together for


Wales. Thank you. STUDIO: Carwyn Jones taking the


applause after that speech where, as predicted, he did set out the fight,


a straight fight between Labour and the Conservatives. Halfway through a


decade of delivery, that was his big message. And his wife there, Lisa,


who introduced him, taking to the stage as well. We were reminded of


the six pledges announced earlier in the week and he added two more, no


tax rises if and when tax is devolved to Wales, and he also


talked about a new integrated transport system for North Wales. He


will be joining us shortly on the programme, we hope. Neil Griffith, a


member of the Shadow Cabinet, applauding there. As expected, a


standing ovation for Carwyn Jones after the speech. Let's get the


thoughts of Vaughan Roderick. Setting out that straight fight with


the Tories? Yes, that is what they decided to go for and I have orally


said what I think about that. There were problems because he said it's a


two horse race, me and him, it's between the two of us. Then we have


the Ukip threat is real and not going away. Which one is it? We will


see how it plays out but I have my doubts. Barry interestingly, as part


of the strategy presumably there was no mention Hartley of Plaid Cymru


and the Lib Dems. No mention at all of the Lib Dems. -- hardly. It may


be because he knows that Labour aren't going to get a majority in


the assembly and he will find it difficult and instinctively would


not want to do even ad hoc deals with the Conservatives and Ukip.


Although a coalition between Labour and Plaid Cymru looks unlikely


because there is not much appetite in plaid Cymru for that, but after


the election the first thing we will need to do is to get through to the


summer and then try to think what we will do for the next five-year is,


and to get to the summer I will need some sort of understanding with


Plaid Cymru. -- five years. It may also be that Plaid Cymru seats...


They are not threatening Labour in any of the constituencies he is


really interested in apart from one, Llanelli. It's a long stretch, to be


honest. The threat to Labour comes from the Conservatives and that may


be part of the reason why he is discussing it. It doesn't really


matter to Labour which of the opposition parties picks up the


seeds, what matters to them is holding constituencies. In terms of


the new pledge, that he unveiled today, we will not raise income tax


if and when it is devolved. -- seats. Did we expect that? That is


in contrast to what is promised in Scotland where Scottish Labour are


going into the election saying we will raising tax in order to reduce


cuts. -- raise income tax. It's a fine judgment. If he says I'm not


going to raise taxes he has to take ownership of part of those cuts.


Because people will be able to say to him, well, you know, if you are


blaming Westminster for how the councils have been financed, you


could do something about that and you have chosen not to. On the other


hand going into the election with the promise of a tax rise or even


the possibility of a tax rise, that is a risky strategy. Scottish Labour


have to take risks but Welsh Labour doesn't really. In terms of lowering


the possibility of lowering taxes, that was not in there but the Lib


Dems are promising that? We will expect something similar from the


Conservatives. They talk about a low tax economy, but polling is that


difficult on the issue. It's not as simple as tax cuts equals votes


unless you tell them where the savings are going to come from.


Thank you. Let's go back to Llandudno and the delegates have


left the hall, and Stephan has grabbed a few of them. It's getting


pretty loud and there is a bit of hubbub going on behind me. Jeremy


Corbyn is still mingling and Venue Cymru here. I'm joined by Lucy


Steele and Councillor Callum Hawkins. Let's talk about the Jeremy


Corbyn speech, what did you make of it? -- Higgins. He comes across as


authentic and it's great to see him at the Welsh conference addressing


Welsh issues and Welsh politics. In the context I'm glad that Carwyn has


been addressing policy stuff in his speech. What is his role in the


elections, people are arguing he is a distraction? We are a party that


covers the whole of the UK and we have a UK leader and a Welsh leader.


They have separate jobs which is important to recognise. Lucy, you


are a youth delegate, how is it going for you? It's going well and


it is my first so it's very exciting and I did not really know what to


expect but I'm happy with what I've seen so far. Carwyn Jones speaks


about a new momentum, do you think when you are out and about, are


people in Wales feeling that momentum? I think so, with the whole


Jeremy Corbyn thing, it has shaken things up for the whole of Britain


and for Wales as well, I think, with this assembly election I think


people asked -- are still hyper about it. Let's talk about the


speech of Carwyn Jones. We have just heard from him. What did you make of


his... Basically saying, I should be the next First Minister, forget


about Andrew Davies. I think he's right to say we are in


the middle of a process of changing services in Wales. It is a halfway


point, a job half done and he is putting forward policies to carry on


without change, hard-hitting policies that will make a difference


to people's lives. That is what people want, they want to see things


that apply to them in real daylight, rather than political theory talked


about in speeches. This was about delivering childcare, business tax


cuts, things that really matter to people. Lucy, what about the six key


pledges, where you impressed? I was really impressed, being a university


that I will be able to afford it and I am really glad we have a grand and


I hope it stays that way because young people are the future, so it


is important we have university -- ag rant. Even if university isn't


the road view, we have 100,000 new apprenticeships by the end of the


next Assembly elections, so I hope that will be good for young people.


Labour has been in Government for 17 years, I guess the real challenge is


to cut through the opposition parties, the noise from them, saying


you are tired, it is the same old Labour, how'd you do that? I think


Carwyn Jones addressed it, it is a lazy argument to say it is our turn


because you have been there long enough. You put your policies board


and let the public decide. I think the priority was right today, about


the policies that matter day today and people can make that choice,


whether they think we will carry on delivering. I think we will, I think


our policies will help the economy and that future generations,


particularly in apprenticeships, as we mentioned. Those are things that


matter to people and it is up to the other parties to put their own


message forward. I think it is a lazy argument to say we have been


here long enough. The Health Service is going to be the real challenge,


conveying bad on the doorstep, because that rhetoric, especially


from Westminster, has cut through -- conveying that. I think the London


media has made it hard to put a positive message board about the


Welsh NHS. I think people's experience of it is very good, they


value their GP services and hospital services. Record investment in the


NHS is a fact in Wales, it can't be disputed and we have do push it on


the doorstep. How do you deal with the issue of the long waiting times


and the discrepancy between Wales and England, that is fact, isn't it?


The report from the OECD says there is not major differences between any


of that of old nations, some things are better, some not as good, so you


have to improve anywhere -- of the devolved nations. We are putting


more money in than ever before and we will carry on doing so. You are


both young people, what about a vision for you? We often hear young


people don't vote. You are obviously the exception. Do you think Carwyn


Jones has done enough to appeal to young voters? I think he has,


bringing in lots of pledges for people like me, who are young, and


some people do really feel this interested in politics and I think


that is something we need to discuss and I think bringing in the grant


for university is definitely help and the jobs for 15,000 people,


thanks to Jobs Growth Wales. So I think that will push people to think


maybe we should vote, because this is something that applies to us,


something that is really important to me and I think it will bring


other people, who see politics and think it is not the me but it really


is and he proved that today. The tuition fees grant, we haven't had a


firm commitment in terms of Labour, there have been lots of policy


announcements, the Conservatives and Clyde Comrie saying how they would


do it differently. What Labour are doing, would you like to see that


state? I wouldn't like to see reductions for students to study


anywhere, I know different parties are taking different approaches, but


I think we have a good and proud record of keeping tuition fees as


low as possible for Welsh students wherever they go and I would like to


see a concentration on work for graduates in Wales to attract


graduates back so they invest in Wales once they have skills. Is it


affordable and sustainable? ?22,000 less in debt, we have that much less


than England, so it is important that people go out into the jobs


world without all of that debt, because it can be disheartening and


I would feel terrible if I was in that much debt, so I think the Welsh


as a, what they have given to us, is really good. A quick word, it has


been a tough time belabour the last couple of years, how'd you feel


about the momentum going forward -- tough time for Labour. I am talking


about the infighting in Westminster, the row over the leadership UK wide.


I think the Assembly is different Westminster and I think people


really feel that, they see we are devolved nation and we are in


Westminster. We have got some pledges for us and I think the


people of Wales and see it as a local thing and that is really


connecting to people. I think the election has concentrated minds in


Wales, we are getting on with it, we are united in Wales and we are


campaigning already and it is a positive step and I hope the whole


party nationally looks at these elections as an opportunity to unite


and go forward. Both of you, thank you very much, great to hear from


you. That is all from us for now. Thank you very much. Going back to


Carwyn Jones' speech, where he joked that even he was fed up of the


constitution, he was bored by it. We have the Wales Bill in Westminster,


that is not going to be an issue is it, in this election? Is the


constitution off-limits? Well, the problem we have is there are some


deadlines involved here and some of those deadlines come before the


election. The Conservatives, the Government and Westminster, want to


publish the final draft of the Wales Bill before St David's Day. That is


in a couple of weeks' time. We don't know if it is going to be delayed,


what concessions there may be. The whole thing is a bit of a mess at


the moment and if it becomes enmeshed with the Assembly


elections, things could get very, very messy. Do you remember what


Carwyn Jones' slogan was back in 2011? "Standing Up for Wales". He


would like nothing better than to fight this election by saying Wales


voted in a referendum for legislative powers and Westminster,


those Tories in Westminster, are trying to take those powers away. So


I think it could become enmeshed in the Assembly elections and there is


this idea that voters don't understand these constitutional


issues, they are not interested in constitutional issues. Well, hello,


we are having a referendum on Europe. That is a constitutional


issue. If Carwyn Jones can portray Westminster as staging a power grab


against Wales, that is a constitutional issue which would


engage collectors. This idea that electors are only interested in


public services and schools and hospitals, that is not the case. If


you can frame a constitutional issue in a way that makes people feel they


are being unfairly treated, be devolution or Europe, or whatever,


it can work for you as a political issue. One of the main criticisms of


the Conservative Government in Westminster is the Welsh Government,


Carwyn Jones in particular, likes power but doesn't want the


responsibility of raising taxes and so forth. So he likes, lording it,


they would argue, but doesn't want to be the one raising the money and


be responsible for that. If they go into this election saying they won't


raise taxes, can the Conservatives capitalise on that question what


even if you get powers, you don't use them? They will try and do that


that you have to look at the Welsh taxpayers, and this will be part of


Carwyn Jones' calculation. Wales is by most measures the poorest part of


the United Kingdom, the tax base is small. There aren't many who pay the


40% rate of tax, without talking about the top rate. So any increases


in income tax wouldn't actually bring in that much money. That is


the first thing. And there is also questions about the mechanism of if


you raise taxes, how much of that money would Wales actually keep?


Might there be fiscal problems, because we don't know the details of


how the settlement will work, whereby Wales raises the money and


as a result gets less from when spinster? What is the point of


raising taxes it doesn't bring extra money? -- gets less from


Westminster. There are huge issues yet to be addressed. Thank you very


much an hour, we can cross back to the Shadow Secretary of State for


Wales, who is just getting her microphone on. Thank you very much


for joining us, rushing out of the hall, and you were on stage there.


17 years in power, why do you deserve any more? I think the


important thing is we are actually delivering for Wales. We have an


excellent delivery record to date, but much more important than that


for people now is what we are offering for the future and I think


the pledges that car when has announced today are really important


for people in Wales. -- that Carwyn Jones. We know how important it is


to have really good childcare that is accessible so parents can work.


We know how important it is to have apprenticeship opportunities, not


just the young people leaving college but for older adults who


want to change career. So there is a huge wealth of information in those


pledges. Again, the small-business pledge, giving opportunities to


small businesses. The opportunity for people to get the treatment they


need, the opportunity to raise standards in our schools and of


course, the opportunity for older people to retain more of the savings


they have if they do have to go into care. These are important things for


people in Wales and what really matters now is when people make


their choice in May, that they actually think about who do they


want to run the country? Do they want Labour, who have got a record


of being able to deliver what they promise, have got sensible ideas on


how to take things forward? Or a ragbag collection of people who seem


to change their ideas every day? You said there would be a huge amount of


these pledges, but what about the cost? 30 hours of free childcare for


48 weeks? That is not cheap, how much would it cost? The important


thing is we have the infrastructure in Wales to provided. We have seen


how David Cameron has fallen over himself in England because he tried


to impose a childcare pledge on a structure that wasn't there, so this


has been growing gradually in the Welsh economy and we have been very


clear that it is targeted at those parents who will be in work and it


is for three and four-year-olds, so it is very clear how we target it.


But how much would it cost? I am not going to go into the figures now


because I will not make a mistake... So we don't know. But do we know how


much it would cost, the doubling of the 50,000 capital limit for people


who go into care? We don't know the cost of that either? Will we know


the cost before the election? Yes, of course, in fact the cost on that


has been put down as about 10 million. You are never going to be


able to absolutely judge when people go into care, but that is a figure


we have put down. So if things have been costed, they have been looked


at, yes, and we can go into detail if we need to. In terms of the


devolution of income tax, we have from Carwyn Jones that income tax


would not go up if he were to continue as First Minister. Why not


put them up? Wales, as you say over and over again, faces incredible


cuts, the budget shrinking from Westminster, that is your mantra


always, why not raise taxes? Well, we have been absolutely clear, we


have absolutely no plans to make a differentiated tax rate here in


Wales from that in England. We know perfectly well that there are


perhaps 50% of the population of Wales that live within commuting


distance of the border and they know work is being done on what type of


effect these changes might have. We think it would be irresponsible to


go ahead on that basis. If other parties are talking about cutting


taxes, they need to explain which services they are going to cope. But


you could put them up, I am saying, get more money into the coppers and


say to however many 40% tax payers there are in Wales, not many, but


say we will take more from you. As I say, we have made a firm pledge that


we will not put taxes up, we will not mess about with people's income


tax. We want to be absolutely clear about that to the voters of Wales.


Can I ask you about the main news development this morning and


overnight, the negotiations in Brussels and the Cabinet meeting in


Downing Street. We expect the date for the referendum now and it looks


as if it could be June the 23rd. Jeremy Corbyn is happy with June,


Carwyn Jones is very unhappy. Who is right? I think the important thing


is, look, we have had David Cameron in Brussels, what it really tells us


is that if you want reform in the EU, you can go and get to the


negotiating table and you can negotiate reform and when we go into


the referendum now, what we need to remember is the number of jobs in


Wales that depend on that referendum and that is what the argument needs


to be about, not what date it is. Carwyn Jones is very concerned,


isn't he, that it could overshadow the Assembly elections? He has


written to the Prime Minister, he wasn't backed by Jeremy Corbyn on


that. You sit in Jeremy Corbyn's Cabinet. Who do you back? Do you


want a referendum in June? I don't want a referendum at all, but as we


are having a referendum, obviously it will have an affect on the Welsh


elections and I think it will have an affect whether it is sooner or


later, because there seems to be an obsession in the media with the


referendum -- have an effect. Thank you very much for joining us. Now,


before we came on air this morning, as we have been hearing, the leader


of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn addressed the Welsh conference for


the first time and here is what he had to say.


SPEAKS WELSH. Thank you very much for inviting me


here today. It is an absolute pleasure to be back in Llandudno in


Labour Wales, where our party has been making a massive difference for


the past 17 years. Let me just run through some of the things that have


been achieved what Labour in Wales has achieved. A Health Service is


free from unnecessary top-down reorganisation and privatisation.


Where's your hospitals are not struggling with record deficit due


to the legacy of Private finance initiative. You in Wales funded


investment on the books and this is delivering. The Tories are desperate


to run down the NHS in Wales, but the record tells a very different


story. The NHS in Wales is treating more people than ever before and 90%


say they received good treatment. Free prescriptions for all, and a


new treatment fund being set up for life-threatening illnesses. On


cancer waiting times Wales is doing better than England and is a viable


rates are improving faster than anywhere in Britain. -- survival


rates. You have protected the social care budget which was slashed in


England putting an increased burden on the NHS in England and is


terrible for people affected and a false economy as well. In Wales you


did not pick a fight with hard-working, dedicated junior


doctors. There are good industrial relations in Wales. APPLAUSE


No strikes provoked and no operations cancelled unnecessarily.


We strongly support the doctors and don't want to put patient safety at


risk. Last week I had the privilege of spending a couple of hours with a


group of junior doctors. Let's be clear, they are not junior, they are


dedicated, highly qualified people on whom we all depend. They are


alarmed that the direction that our NHS is taking. As a parting gift to


them at the end of the meeting they gave me this book by a GP. Don't get


me wrong, he does not want to dismantle the NHS, his agenda is


very much the opposite. What he describes is how it starts with an


internal market. And ends up going through a whole process of


privatisation, and contracting out and ends up with the introduction of


universal private health-insurance. Quite bluntly, our NHS is ours for


ever to keep, free at the point of use for everybody. APPLAUSE


Labour cares and invests in care. The founder of the National Health


Service said, and there are many things he said that our brilliant


but I will quote this one, illness is a misfortune, the cost of which


should be shared by the community as a whole. That is surely a watchword


and principle that possibly many Tories simply do not understand. We


understand it, we get it and we will defend the NHS.


I want to say a big thank you to Welsh Labour for their work on the


NHS, in particular to the health Minister Mark Drakeford for the work


he has done, it is fantastic that we have achieved so much. In Wales you


have built an education system that has delivered the best ever GCSE


results. When new schools are built and primary school pupils get free


breakfasts, and the poorest college students will get the education


maintenance allowance that was cruelly scrapped by the Tories. In


my constituency in London there is no EMA, apart from that that my


council can deliver that young people are losing out on educational


opportunities and it does not happen in Wales. Welsh students are not


shackled by mountainous debts and grants are maintained, and it is


shocking that English judo and is leave university with an average of


?22,000 more in debt and Welsh students. This is a shocking burden


that shackles young people as they start out in life and it is known as


a prize they have such difficulty in getting housing as they move on. --


it is no surprise. Then there is jobs growth in Wales which has


helped 15,000 young people into work and the Young entrepreneurs bursary


that helps young people set up 400 businesses in Wales. And your plans


to deliver 100,000 quality apprenticeships. We have invested in


young people and their education and skills, by doing so we are investing


in our future, for all of us. I'd visit colleges and universities all


over Britain when I travel around and I have to say I was really


impressed with the new campus of Swansea University on the day, and


the support given by the Welsh government. -- on the Bay. Looking


at the high-tech work they are doing, we had a good day, and it is


paying dividends, it is developing the periphery of the university


because of the investment that was put into the campus in the first


place. The Tories are not investing in young people but cutting down


their opportunities. Weighing them down with debt, limiting their life


choices. We all know this is not fair. Labour in Wales proves there


is an alternative, the rest of Britain needs to listen to what


Wales is doing. There is so much that the Labour


Party across Britain can learn from Wales and we will. I want to pay


tribute to Carwyn Jones, the First Minister and thank him for all that


has been achieved for the Welsh Labour Party and the people of


Wales. I want to thank the assembly members for the work they do and the


party members and activists which ensured we got a Welsh Labour


government in the first place. Thank you to all of them and to our party


staff for the work they do and will be doing in these crucial couple of


months ahead. I also want to thank the Shadow


Secretary of State for Wales, I was delighted when she accepted the job.


She makes a fantastic contribution in the Shadow Cabinet. She makes


sure that the voice of Wales is heard and respected in Westminster.


She brought in a couple of party members -- a couple of hundred party


members to an event which was a fantastic evening and showed the


vibrancy of the Labour Party in Wales. In an age when politics is


treated with cynicism, what an inspiring record of hope and


achievement that has been here. Delivering despite the fact the


Tories have got your budget by more than ?1 billion. Perhaps the


greatest achievement would bear fruit until the summer, the football


team. -- will not bear fruit until the summer. In international


competition for the first time since 1958 when I was nine. It is a


problem for me because I'm an Arsenal fan, but it's all right,


when you watch Power Mac and it is in Aaron Ramsey in the red shirt, --


our magnificent Aaron Ramsey. Our loyalties will not be split at all.


Go Aaron Ramsey. APPLAUSE All eyes will be on Europe this


summer, not just for football but for political reasons as well. EU


referendum is now likely to take place in June and Labour will be


campaigning for Britain to stay in. In Wales you know the benefits of EU


membership delivering jobs, growth and investment in Wales as much as


any part of the UK. It is the role that Labour has played in Europe to


deliver rights to minimum paid leave, writes for agency workers,


paid maternity and paternity leave, equal pay and discrimination laws


and protection for the workforce when companies change ownership. It


was Labour and are excellent MEPs in partnership with trade unions that


made sure that Cameron's attempts to dilute workers rights were kept off


the negotiation agenda this time. We will be running in campaign because


the case for being in Europe is about delivering a better Britain


for workers and consumers. Despite the fanfare, the deal that Cameron


has made in Brussels on Britain's relationship with the U is a


sideshow, and the changes he has negotiated are largely irrelevant to


the problems most British people face and the decisions we must now


made. -- with the EU. His priorities have been appeasing his opponents in


the Conservative Party but he has done nothing to promote secure jobs,


protect our steel industry, or stop the spread of low pay and the


undercutting of wages in Britain. Labour's priorities are for reform


in the EU and it would be different, and David Cameron's deal is a missed


opportunity to make the real changes that we need. We will campaign to


keep Britain in Europe in the coming referendum regardless of the


tinkering of David Cameron because it brings investment, jobs and


protection for workers and consumers. Labour believes that the


EU is a vital framework for European trade and cooperation in the


21st-century and voting to remain in is in the best interests of our


people. We want to be progressive to make the EU work for working people


including strengthening workers rights, putting jobs and sustainable


growth at the heart of EU economic policy, democratisation and greater


accountability of EU institutions and an absolute halt to the pressure


to privatise public services by some elements in the European Union.


Cameron will do nothing... APPLAUSE He will do nothing against these


issues, his emergency brake on migrant benefits is largely


irrelevant, there is no evidence that taking benefits from low-paid


migrants will put a penny in the pockets of low-paid workers in


Britain and stop the exploitation of migrant workers by unscrupulous


employers. APPLAUSE The issue that the Tories don't


address is the low wages and the way employers are systematically


undercut by undercutting industry agreements. We will stand up to the


xenophobia of Ukip. Attacking Europe or deeper nice thing immigrants does


not increase anyone's pay, it does not build a single home or provide a


single child with a free breakfast. -- demonising immigrants. It does


not deliver for anyone who needs help. APPLAUSE


Theirs is a vision of despair. A mantra of hate and fear. Labour will


never pander to the xenophobia or any kind of racism whatsoever within


our society. The NHS in Wales and the NHS in England both know the


value of thousands of doctors dedicated to our NHS and anyone who


has been treated by any of our magnificent staff knows how strong


the commitment is. But while Labour in Wales is working together with


people to improve lives but the actions of the Tories in Westminster


act against that at every turn. The Institute for Fiscal Studies says


that tax and benefit changes in the past five years have left left the


average household in Wales 506 the pounds worse off. When the Tories


get in power, this is what they do, tax cuts for the few, the super-rich


and big business, public service cuts and welfare cuts for the many.


You know which side the Tories are on. We have gratuitous inequality in


this country, the average pay of top Chief Executive is compared with the


average worker is risen from 47 Times in 1998 to 183 times last


year. For too many people in the UK who are not the super-rich elite,


and there are quite a few, life is racked by insecurity at work and at


home and the Tories are making it worse. Labour believes that we only


succeed if we all succeed, together. The impact of this insecurity on


people's lives can be huge. It affects physical and mental health


and I want to pay tribute to Luciano Berger, the Shadow Minister for


health, who has campaigned relentlessly that it is matched by


reality and are Labour Party is determined that mental health should


not be treated as a pariah but a central part of our caring role in


society. The Tories have no plan for the economy, no strategy in industry


and no wish to make the economy work for everyone, they stood by as the


steel industry got into trouble and jobs were lost and communities


suffered like import Tolbert. Across Europe other countries took action


and the Tories stood by and let those jobs go.


We have met with our European counterparts with this and raised it


and I raised it with the Chinese president when I met him and


delegations from China. We can, even in opposition, do our best to take


action to protect our industry. The Tories have failed to invest in


modernising the economy. We are way behind other countries on our


digital infrastructure, our transport, energy system and our


housing. Just this week, the OECD has downgraded its UK growth


forecasts and told George Osborne it is time to stop the austerity and


invest in our country's future. Austerity is a political choice.


APPLAUSE. This OECD reverence confirms what


our Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell and I have been saying since


September, the Tories' austerity is a political choice, not an economic


necessity. Their cuts both and unnecessary. In 2010, they said


their long-term economic plan would sort all this out and the deficit


would be abrogated by now. Last time I looked, it is 2016. Their


long-term plan has taken much longer than they said, but that matter the


lid they turn to short-term plan time and time again, it is to shrink


the state, shrink stability and opportunity. Low pay, job


insecurity, holding people back. Meaning too many families are


struggling to make ends meet, to pay the rent and pay the mortgage. A


good job, a good home, should be the source of security. For too many


people, their job and their home are a source not of security but of


anxiety. 6 million workers in Britain are now paid less than the


living wage in low pay Tory Britain. And what is the Tory response to


this crisis? To weaken trade unions, the most effective way in which


people stand up for better pay. And instead of backing the real living


wage, they are bringing in a pony living wage, lower, of course, and


younger workers are blocked out from this modest increase -- a phoney


living wage. There is a housing crisis across Britain. Under David


Cameron, homeownership is then, rent is up, eviction is up and


homelessness is up. And what is the response crush model lowest rate of


house building across Britain since the 1920s and forcing councils to


sell off council housing at a time when it has never been more vital. I


know Labour in Wales is consulting on whether to scrap the right to


buy, because we need more, not fewer council homes to deal with the


housing shortage. When Labour's Therese appears, our


trees appears, put an amendment to the housing bill before the House of


commons, to ensure that homes for rent in the housing sector must be


fit for human habitation, the Tories voted it down. They don't believe


that of the private rented sector believes matter than it needs to be


regulated. I do, you do and we will regulated Macca delete regulate it.


Whether it is the crisis of low pay for the housing crisis, it is Labour


offering solutions. Labour councils like a real difference in


communities and the Labour Government make a difference here in


Wales. It was a great Labour politician that described what


Labour does. We build security, we build the institutions of fairness


and we build them in place of fear. We offer hope, collective


opportunity and, of course, we are the party of social justice and


environmental justice. When it comes to rip off energy bills, it is


Labour councils that are setting up energy companies, such as in


Nottingham, the Robin Hood energy company, to get a better deal for


residents and to tackle climate change. We can reduce bills the


people and we can tackle climate change, there is no contradiction.


That is why 70 Labour councils are committed to eliminate all carbon


emissions by 2050, including major cities like Edinburgh, Newcastle,


Manchester and Liverpool and here in Wales, Swansea and carefully. And


Labour Wales are set out a clear policy -- Kyo Philly. A low carbon


transition and supporting transition the twin energy services. And what


have the Tories done? They continue to fail to invest in low carbon


energy, cut solar energy but increase them for fracking and


diesel generators. That is the Tory choice. On pay, housing and the


environment, the Tory stand-by. Labour is standing up. The message


for the election in May is very clear. Labour is the best protection


for your community against the onslaught of Tory cuts. We must


expose all the Tory failures. Class sizes up, hospital waiting lists up,


homelessness up, eviction is up, queues at food banks up, child


poverty up, while services like social care, on which communities


absolutely rely, are being cut. They failed to rebuild and rebalance the


economy. They are hoping that rising household debt would somehow or


other keep the economy afloat. We know what happened last time they


did this. Having Labour on your side is the best protection for your


community. Where there is a Labour mayor or cancel or Government such


as we have here in Wales. Communities are paying the price.


Cutting corners in public service funding, as the winter floods show.


If the Tories had continued our investment in flood defences,


particularly the north of England, had kept on the very skilled senior


staff in the Environment Agency, employed to make these decisions in


emergencies, and had protected the emergency services who responded so


magnificently to try and save lives and homes during those very


difficult days and weeks, we would not have seen that level of


destruction and flood damage that caused so much anguish to so many


people, as their homes were damaged and their belongings ruined. A flood


is a disaster for individuals. Well done in Wales. Then up to protect


the flood defence programme here. APPLAUSE.


Now, transport infrastructure is absolutely crucial to industrial


development and growth and I praise the Welsh Government's support for


the reopening an improvement of the Valley railway lines. Plans to


improve links in the south-east of Wales and the crucial need to


improve the North Wales line and the road links that go with it. One of


the most beautiful railway lines in the world has to be the mid Wales


line. Growing up in Shropshire, I love travelling on it and my heart


truly sang when I went on to the coastal railway route. We have some


fantastic railways in Wales and I look forward to the renaissance of


them with a continuing Labour Government in Wales. Now, I am going


to be back in Wales many times over the next few weeks, but I will be


back next month delivering the Kia Harding Memorial address. A man who


represented a Welsh constituency, founder and first leader of the


Labour Party and did so much to inspire us. We learn from the past


in order to guide us in the future -- Kier Harding. Labour offers a


much-needed alternative to the falls economy the Tories are offering. We


have already challenged them in Parliament and outside and one on a


number of quite important issues. We forced them into a U-turn on cutting


working tax credits, meaning that 3 million families will no longer be


hit this April with a ?1000 cut to their family income. That was a


Labour victory over the Tories. We made them backtracked on plans to


further cut police numbers in the Autumn Statement and thus protected


the community policing budget, which is so important across the whole of


the UK. And we stood up for human rights against the proposal that the


UK Justice Ministry would run the Saudi Arabian Prison Service on


behalf of the Saudi Arabian Government. How outrageous is that?


We forced them to backtracked on that as well. -- backtrack. Because


our party, Labour... Your mints for later. Labour is standing up, not


standing by. We let people down last May. We lost the election. All the


horrors that the Tories are inflicting and doing now is because


Labour didn't win. But since then, the membership of our party has


doubled also I was very proud to be elected leader of our party and I


want to see a new kind of politics. Honest, straightforward,


straightforward thinking and straight talking. Because our party


is one of social justice. Every child deserves a good education.


Every student, the option to study at college or university. Everyone


deserves a decent and secure home to live in. Nobody should ever be left


destitute. The grotesque levels of inequality are run justifiable and


they must go. We are living through an area of the most grotesque and


deepening inequality, in Britain and in the West. In the USA, the issue


has come full circle. That debate is now, at last, dominating much of the


politics and the primary campaign. We must ensure that it also


dominates the political debate in this country. Inequality is


unnecessary and wrong. We can, will and must do something about it.


APPLAUSE. The cynics say there is something


inevitable that the next generation will be worse off than this one. You


know, your children won't get the same services you get from your


grandchildren and so on, it gets worse and worse. I say this, it is


not inevitable and not necessary. It is our socialist duty to expand


wealth, but crucially to share it, so the next generation is better off


than this one and our grandchildren are better off than our children in


a sustainable, productive world. These things are possible. They are


delivered by the collective endeavour of people and the


collective inspiration of our communities and of our party. We are


united in our determination to take on the Tories and to fight for the


better country that Labour can deliver, as you have delivered in


Wales. You have got a great record here in Wales and a great plan to


deliver for a better future. Together, we will deliver it and


continue delivering for the people of Wales.


Jeremy Corbyn addressing the conference earlier this morning.


Well, breaking news now, in the past few minutes, the Prime Minister has


announced a date for a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU.


Speaking outside Downing Street, he said Britain would be safer and


stronger in a reformed European Union. On Monday, I will commence


the process set out under our referendum act and I will go to


Parliament and proposed that the British people decide our future in


Europe via an in-out referendum on Thursday the 23rd of June. The


choice is in your hands, but my recommendation is clear. I believe


that Britain will be safer, stronger and better off in a reformed


European Union. Thank you very much. David Cameron speaking earlier.


Joining me from conference in Llandudno, the Shadow leader of the


Commons, Chris Bryant. Good morning and also of course, a former


European minister. I am the last Europe minister. It is David


Livingstone now and I was the last one! You did it so well, no one


could succeed you. Three people took over my job. Sorry, I think you are


asking me what I think about the referendum on the 23rd of June and


you will be shocked to hear I am for staying in. My membership card says


that the Labour Party fundamentally believes we can achieve far more


when we work together, when we cooperate, than we do when we try to


go it alone and in the end, that is my view about Europe as well. I


think we, as Europeans, as British people, are able to achieve far more


for Britain when we cooperate. If you think about people trafficking,


that goes cross-country, doesn't it? Of course you have to cooperate if


you are to tackle bad and some of the horrible scenes we have seen in


this country where people have been trafficked through seven different


countries in the European Union, we need to use the European Union


better to tackle that. Likewise, we are not hermetically sealed when it


comes to the climate and if you are going to tackle climate deregulation


and change, you have to do that jointly, so I am passionately for


in. And what about the deal? Did Mr Cameron get a good deal for the UK?


It's better than it was but to be honest we would be cutting off our


nose to spite our face if we left the European Union. How many jobs in


Wales rely expressly and solely on our membership? Think of Airbus and


so many different parts of the aeronautical industry in Wales are


here because of that joint effort with other countries within the


European Union. On top of that we know that we have had structural


support in the valleys, which has been invaluable to keeping the


economy going in tough times, money that would not have come from a


Westminster government especially a Tory government. For my voters in


the Rhondda I would be letting us down if I weren't going to devote


every drop of my blood, energy, passion, and sweat and my


intellectual energy and whatever I've got to trying to make sure that


every single person in Wales votes to stay in the European Union on the


23rd of June. Forget about David Cameron. That's interesting, that is


your focus, but what about the elections, you have to maintain


energy for those? If you are channelling everything into the


referendum it will overshadow the assembly campaign? My comrades in


the Rhondda, we will be knocking on doors for as many days as we can.


And talking about Europe? Yes, because that will also be something


people are concerned about. Then we have to focus on the 23rd of June


because that is about the future. This is exactly why Cameron Jones --


Carwyn Jones did not want it in June. He did not want it in June, in


September if at all. The fact that Jeremy Corbyn back to June


referendum, it is going to overshadow that and there will be


lots of people in your party very cross that that is presumably


inevitable? It's not our decision when the referendum is, it will be


on the 23rd of June and we have elections in May and I'm determined


to make sure that Labour returns a victory if it can, a majority in the


National Assembly for Wales because it is in the interests of my


constituents and incidentally, we saw today this morning from Cam Ranh


and absolutely cracking speech. -- from car -- from Carwyn Jones.


Making sure businesses have a chance to prosper and have lower business


rates. Pledges around having to go into residential care and being able


to keep more of the capital costs. These things that appeal to people


in my constituency as well as in other special funds for dealing with


cancer. When you look at the successes we have had, nothing is


perfect, but people will want to go coming yes, we want Labour back in


the assembly and back in the driving seat in May. Is that how it will


Devi up? Assembly members focus on the elections and MPs for Labour


focus on the referendum? Is that the divide? I will be knocking on doors


in the Rhondda and we do all the time, we do. I know everyone always


goes, we never see you, and there was a man last week who told me that


I'd never knocked on his door but I reminded him that I did last year


and he told me I never did! He said, oh yes. We do it all the time in the


Rhondda. We are the Labour team and we will do it right the way through


to the elections and then we will fight for a Yes vote in the


referendum. The campaign has begun. Thank you very much. After his


speech this morning Jeremy Corbyn spoke to our political editor and


top of the agenda, no prizes for guessing, was the deal. Jeremy


Corbyn, you have been very critical of David Cameron's deal on the EU


but the trouble is that you have to sell it on the doorstep? The problem


is that Cameron has actually done nothing to help ordinary people in


Britain and he has done nothing about wages and jobs and nothing


about longer-term investment that is a missed opportunity. We are


talking about a Europe that is not promoting austerity and is promoting


investment in people. We are where we are, isn't this old-fashioned


tribal politics coming in and actually it could endanger the


attempt to remain in the EU which is something that you support? Not at


all, this is not tribal politics, this is about the Labour Party


representing people and their needs and desires and pointing out what


Cameron has done is not actually helping anyone, it is not helping


wages and jobs and investment and it does nothing for the steel industry.


All of these things he could and should have been doing but instead


it is a war within the Tory party that has been played out across a


whole continent. What about protecting the sovereignty of the


UK, presumably that is something... Sovereignty in the UK has never been


at risk, no one's sovereignty is at risk in the European Union, it is a


union of states with a common agenda. He has decided to turn it


into something else and it was never on the agenda anyway and he knows


that. It's all about the Tory party and not about this country. It is


about a dispute in the Tory party between xenophobes who want to leave


anyway and Cameron who once essentially a sort of market


orientated Europe. We want the social Justice Europe. It will


involve the entire country. Indeed it will come at the referendum will


come and I guess it will be in June. We are looking forward to it. What


about the issue of the Kurds to benefits for migrants? Will you


support that? The Kurds to migrant benefits is something that is going


to have to be debated by the commission and the European


Parliament and it is not a done deal by any means and it won't be a done


deal until well after the election. My view is that we should instead


address the issue of in work benefits because their wages are too


low. When you speak to the Labour ranks, presumably we will get a date


confirmed any time now, what will you tell them, because mines will be


focused on the referendum? A Labour government in 2020 will be about


extending workers rights and social protection and extending


environmental protection in Europe and questioning the whole world is a


transatlantic trade partnership and the protection that goes with it


because of the danger that it presents to public services,


particularly the National health and other services. We will say that


it's a lay-by agenda you can vote for and we will deliver in 2020. We


have not seen much of you. You will be seeing plenty of me, every


railway line in Wales will be visited by me. Thanks very much.


That was Jeremy Corbyn earlier. He likes the railways. Yes, I picture


him campaigning... We have a pledge. In terms of the timing of the


referendum, I can speak to you about it, the 23rd of June as predicted


but it's going to have an impact on the assembly elections? You know, it


will. We will have a flurry around Europe over the next few days, I


suspect it is still a long way away and it may die back a bit and I


think all of the parties will attempt to put the elections front


and centre as we get closer to make, because we don't just have the Welsh


ones, there is the Scottish and London mail elections as well. It


will be there in the background. -- mayoral elections. Let's ask the


leader of Welsh Labour, Carwyn Jones, who joins us from the


conference. In terms of the date, the 23rd of June, that is what you


did not want. How disappointed you? It's a great shame because for those


who want to campaign for the UK to remain in the EU will be in a


position where all of the parties will be on their knees in terms of


energy and finances and then we will have six weeks to effectively have


an active campaign on it hugely important issue. I don't think it is


helpful. It wasn't helpful that Jeremy Corbyn didn't back you are


either in terms of lobbying the Prime Minister for a different date?


I see it from a Welsh perspective, today at the conference we have been


putting forward our six pledges that the people of Wales, we kept our


pledges from 2011 and we will do the same in 2016. This will be running


in the background. What's important is that people take their decision


on the 5th of May on who runs Wales in terms of health, education and


the economy and makes sure Wales is on the right track. What is your


target in terms of keeping the assembly campaign on track and not


diverted into Europe. How will you manage that? By simply saying to


people, there is an election on the 5th of May that will determine


health, education, the economy and the environment and our children's


future. The future of older people and the services we want to see


developing. There is a referendum the month after and those are


different issues. We won't run a surrogate campaign is part of the


election campaign. They are too important for that. Will you share a


platform with conservatives saying yes in terms of the remain campaign


or are you going to say no, this is just Labour. It's very difficult to


share a platform with other parties close to an election. If you do it


at the same time you stand the risk of sharing a platform with other


parties one day and the next day you are trying to knock holes in other's


policies and it confuses the public. I have got no problem with it in


principle, sharing platforms with other parties and I have done in the


past but the problem is that you can't do it with an election


campaign nearby. Personally in your speech this morning you have made it


a straight fight between you and Andrew RT Davies. It is you or the


Conservatives. That strategy is risky and it could seriously


backfire? From our point of view of course, we have an election on the


5th of May, and people expect us to test each other's policies as


parties and I have no doubt that the other parties have their conferences


and they won't fail to mention me and my party. You did not mention


Plaid Cymru or the Lib Dems. You are turning this into a head-to-head


between you and Andrew RT Davies. It could be that the Welsh people say,


you know what, weak Mike Bamsey the Tories this time? We will take our


chances on that. -- we quite fancy the Tories. There are many more


marginal seats between us and the Tories. If you don't want to see


Cameron's chaos coming to Wales then Welsh Labour is your choice. In


terms of tax rises you have said this morning you will not raise


them, why? If Wales is so strapped for cash, why not raise them? I'm


sure people don't want the extra burden, lots of people are still


struggling, they are still not confident about their family


finances and the last thing we should do as a government is


increasing the burden on them. You have been in power is up party for


17 years, you are brushing out the first decade and talking about your


five years and wanting another five. Are you embarrassed about the decade


previous? People have supported us in every election but we take


nothing for granted, we never think we are somehow destined to win and


of course not, we will fight hard which is why we have six exciting


pledges and a good manifesto which is invigorating and has got really


good new ideas and the last thing we are is a party that's in a position


where we have run out of steam, far it. The six pledges I have come up


with today, I challenge the other parties in Wales to come up with


something as appealing. Thank you very much. A quick final word, it's


going to be tricky in terms of balancing the referendum, but on the


pledges does he have a point? Will people come up with similar? I think


we will see similar pledges from the other parties, we have started


seeing some of them already. Labour have chosen to publish all of their


pledges in one go although Carwyn Jones did have an extra couple do at


this morning. The pledge card is now an excepted part of any election, we


will see equally eye-catching pledges from the other parties as


the day approaches. Thank you very much. Vaughan Roderick. That's it


for now but there will be more, another programme from the


conference on S4 see starting at 2pm and you can follow the latest on


Twitter. From the Welsh Labour spring conference, thank you for


joining us and goodbye.


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