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21st century Britain - | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
a country where traditional church attendance is plummeting. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
Society is becoming so saturated in secularism. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
Christianity is now becoming like a second-class subject. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
If you were to put a leaflet through the door | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
saying there's going to be a fight on Monday, everybody would turn up. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
But, as soon as there's the word "church", | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
or "holy", it's straight away "no". | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
But it wasn't always the case. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
The 19th-century was a golden age for Christianity | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
and Britain exported that faith, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
despatching missionaries across the world | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
to places where, today, belief is booming. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Jesus is walking among you. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
-That we should be saved. -Amen. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
Now, reversing those journeys, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
three idealistic Christians are coming here on their own missions. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
We've come with a lot of hope and a lot of faith. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
-But is modern Britain ready for them? -If we believe God, I know something can happen. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
With the greatest respect, Moses could be standing there, | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
and I still don't think they would go into church. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
The atmosphere was very tense. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
There was no peace about it. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
And can their distinctive missionary styles rejuvenate failing church communities? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
I think he's hoping to fill the church with people. I'm just no' interested. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
Great missionary work needs to be done. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
In Malawi, Africa, pastor John Chilimtsidya | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
runs a church that is flourishing. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
HE SINGS | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
THEY SING | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
But will his charismatic brand of worship revive | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
a declining church in Blantyre, Glasgow? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Once we start to fritter away, they'll be nobody left to carry on. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
Blantyre's the birthplace of missionary Dr David Livingstone, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
who helped spread Christianity within Africa. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
As pastor John goes in search of his hero's remarkable story, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
he'll gain inspiration for his own mission. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
-And this is David Livingstone's house. -David Livingstone's house. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
This is the house. I promise you. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
In the name of Jesus. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
John wants the community and its young people | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
to find its faith in a church again. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
If you want kids to be interested in something, you've got to target them. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
But challenged with scepticism... | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
We're not the jump up and jump about church. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
We're a more sedate church. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
..and in the face of apathy, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
can he succeed in attracting people back into the house of God? | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
I want to encourage you to come to church. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
It looks as if there's no Christianity, at all. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
I feel like crying. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Malawi in south-east Africa - | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
one of the poorest countries in the world, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
with well over half its people living below the poverty line. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
However, belief and faith here is thriving. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
Over 80 % of its 13 million population is a practising Christian, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
and regularly attend a church. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
170 years ago, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
David Livingstone began his mission to expand Christianity in Africa. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
Largely forgotten back home, in Malawi he remains everywhere. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
Blantyre, Malawi's commercial capital, took its name from his Scottish birthplace. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
Missionary, doctor, explorer, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Livingstone was the first white European to reveal | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
the location of the Victoria Falls. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
30 years of travel and missionary work saw him overcome disease, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
resistance from local tribes, and wild animals. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
His exploits thrilled a 19th-century public. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
His fame and his unique understanding of the African people | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
left a legacy that would see Christianity proliferate | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
throughout the continent. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
God is there. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:11 | |
Jehovah is here. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
Somebody say amen. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Alleluia. Amen. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
In Malawi, the flame of Livingstone's | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Christian legacy is burning brightly, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
and Pastor John Chilimtsidya is the torch bearer. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
The people are flocking to Pastor John's church. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
The charismatic renewal church is one of Malawi's fastest-growing. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:39 | |
Four years ago, John's congregation stood at just 25. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
Now it's nearly 800. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
HE SINGS | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
In Scotland, Livingstone was a member of the Congregational movement. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
In its heyday, Blantyre's church was thriving. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
Now, it's a different picture. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
Worshippers, here, are increasingly thin on the ground, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
and there's virtually no young people in the congregation. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
The Reverend Malcolm Anderson is finding it tough. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Scotland is becoming so saturated in secularism, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
where Christianity is now becoming like a second-class subject. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:28 | |
In Malawi, John's methods echo Livingstone | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
and the Victorian evangelical missionaries of old, as he takes the word of God out on the road. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
These are some of the open airs that we do, reaching out to the people, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
so we have chosen this place because on this day it's a busy market. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:51 | |
Alleluia. We want to thank God, today, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
that we may rejoice and be glad. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
I want you to lift your hands up and I pray in the name of Jesus. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
You want to win confidence in the lives of people. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Some of them have never heard the gospel before. They are coming here to say, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
"Let's see what this man is saying." | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
Then they are responsive. They lift up their hands, they are coming to Jesus. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
That's a miracle. That's amazing. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
John's success isn't just about preaching. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
He works with poor street children. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
and helps to turn their lives around. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
Before I met Pastor John, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
I was stealing, of which, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
if I continued with that life I would have been imprisoned. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
We really have a lot of young people. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
Invest more in the young people and the church will keep on growing. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
John may have dedicated his life to God, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
but his family is also a top priority. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
This one is my firstborn daughter. This one is Teresa. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
She's doing a boarding school, | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
so she stays there, she just comes here during holidays. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
So, this one is Faith. She is nine years old. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
That's Emanuel. That's our last born. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
I do create time for them, because if I cannot then I can neglect them easily. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
John's been married to his wife, Piera, for 13 years. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
This is my wife, she's cooking some meat, here. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Cooking some sort of vegetables, also. For us to eat. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
And get fat and have a good health. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Sometimes I help her cooking. So, that's our life. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
That's our daily life here at home. Yeah. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
John's hero, David Livingstone, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
devoted his early life in Africa to spreading the word of God. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
Livingstone's sacrifice is celebrated in a church | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
built in his memory in Blantyre. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
So, after Livingstone came here, gave his life, died, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
and then other missionaries were also inspired by him | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
to come into this nation | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
so these are the fruits, also, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
but the foundation is the great David Livingstone. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
After Livingstone died, they removed his heart and buried under a tree. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
They used that tree to make this thing. They use it for Holy Communion. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
The Livingstone legend is inspirational for Pastor John. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
There was a man who really suffered for us. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
A lonely life, leaving his family and children for the sake of us, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
for the sake of bringing the gospel to Africa, to us. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
That's how I got inspired to him. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Just like Livingstone, John wants his mission | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
of spreading the word of God to have a lasting impression | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
when he goes to Britain. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
My dream is, I want to invest what I have into the lives of people. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
Something that can grow | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
and something that can reach out to other lives. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
My vision is when we go there and preach the gospel, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
that church will fill up with people. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
So, my biggest appointment is when I'll be coming back | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
and I see that the church is not full. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
A popular preacher, a group of John's congregation have travelled | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
over 200 miles across country to wish him luck on his mission. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
4,000 miles and 11 hours later, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
John is in the UK and on his way to Scotland, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
about to bring the spirit of Livingstone home. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
I take them like they are good people, they are God-fearing, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
they are Christian, so, I feel like they are just like us. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
They are receptive, you know, that's my image of the British people. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
I expected that there'll be tarmac everywhere, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
and buildings everywhere. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
I didn't expect to find trees, like the way it is, vegetation. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
John's arriving into a Glasgow that is very different | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
from the one that Livingstone left in 1840. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
On the outskirts of the city is Livingstone's birthplace, Blantyre. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
A former mill and mining community, it was hit hard by pit closures | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
of the 1980s and again by the latest recession. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Long-term unemployment and poverty are significant issues here. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
And it's here that John will start his mission. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
For the next couple of weeks, he'll be staying | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
with Jean and Ian Grant, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
pillars of the local church. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
-Hello. -Welcome. -Thank you so much. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
-Right, John. This is your room. -Thank you so much. This is wonderful. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
You're welcome. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
-Let's keep it tidy. -I will, I will. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
This is fish? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
-Fish. Yes. -Nice fish. -Nice fish. -Wonderful, thank you. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
-Caught it myself. -And he tells lies, too. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
Yeah. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
Oh, can you cook? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
-Sure. -Oh, Lovely. -Yeah. -Do you iron? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
-I do. -Do you wash? -Yes. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
I do iron. I wash. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
You're not a member of my clan. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
His face is very approachable. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
He can understand us, which was a big thing, you know. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
I said, I wonder, will we understand him and him understand us? | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
Jean and Ian have been members of the local | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
Congregational Church for many years. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
The Congregational Church is a nonconformist | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
and Protestant movement that has strong links | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
to the missionary organisation that sponsored Livingstone in Africa. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
John's about to meet the reverend Malcolm Anderson for the first time. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
-Welcome to Blantyre. -Thank you so much. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
-I see you've brought the weather with you. -Yeah! | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
What are some of the challenges that the Church is facing, here? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Whereas in the '80s and the '70s, you know, the churches were very healthy. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
Youth was very healthy within the Church. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Society, with so many distractions, and alternative lifestyles, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
they're a missing generation, there. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
You know, my church is full of young people. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
We have young people - over, maybe, 200 something. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
We need a revival. We need to bring the young kids into the church. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
It's very important because that's the future church. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
If we miss them now we're never going to bring them in. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
John's revival starts with a tour. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
What are you doing with a lady's umbrella, John? | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
You can't go about Blantyre with an umbrella like that. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
We'll shelter under one. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
The Congregational Church was rebuilt in the 1960s | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
and it stands in the corner of the supermarket that dominates | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
the once bustling town centre. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
In fact, the locals call it the ASDA Church. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
Blantyre is a very small community. It's a very tightknit community. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
It takes you maybe 15 minutes to walk around the full place. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
This is a skate park, here. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
A lot of the youngsters would hang out here at times. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
You know, it's away from the street corners, etc, you know, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
they're not doing anybody any harm. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
It's kind of a focal point for the youngsters coming here. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
It's a world away from Blantyre, Africa. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
It's so different to Malawi. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
Malawi, you find a lot of people | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
moving up and down, you know, but here, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
just get in your car to the shop. From the shop just get into the car, you go. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Walking in Malawi, you see people, many people walking | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
than those that are using cars, that's the difference, here. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
John's eager to get his revival going and to do what he does best back home, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
spreading the word of God by going out to meet the people. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
But how receptive will Blantyre, Scotland, be? | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-Are you a Christian? -No. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
-Do you desire to become one? -Not really. -Why? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
-Cos it looks kind of boring. -Boring? Have ever been to church before? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Just entering into a church? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
-So, how do you know that it's boring? -I saw The Simpsons. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
-Do you know Jesus? -Aye. -Who is he? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
-The son of God. -He talks about love. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
You know, you love yourself, you love your neighbours, you love yourself, you love God. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
I love Jordan. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
-Hello. -All right? -I'm John. How are you? | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
-Yeah, no' bad. -How are you? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
-Do you go to church, yourself? -No, I don't go. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
-Have you been ever to church? -I've been before, aye. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
-So, why are you not going this time? -Don't know. Not into it. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
-Are you a sinner or are you not a sinner? -A sinner? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
I don't know what that means. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
You don't know what that means? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
I want to encourage you to come to church. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
Would you like me to pray for you? | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
We can pray together. Is it OK with you? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
-I'm all right. -Not really. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:04 | |
Sorry? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
No, I don't want to do it. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
-You don't want to pray. -No. -Why? -I don't like all that. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
John's dismayed at what appears to be the total absence of God. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
It looks as if there's no Christianity at all. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
I feel like crying, you know. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
And this is the place that we actually honour, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
that's where our Christianity in Africa came from. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
And we are enjoying the benefits, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
but where Christianity came from, you know. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
It's very pathetic, but, I'm trusting God, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
that God is going to visit this place. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
But, if you lose young people, like this, there's no change. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
Competing for attention with many other entertaining alternatives, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
Britain is now fourth from bottom | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
in the European Church Attendance league table. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
To give John a taste of what the church is up against, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Malcolm's taken him to Motherwell FC. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
After God, it's his big passion. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Deliver, deliver, deliver! | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
Yeah! | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
It looks like a religion, here. On its own. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
It is. It is. People come here rather than church. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
This is their Church. Where they'll come to worship. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
They'll give their support and adoration to the players on the park. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
And the thing is so many supporters are so fanatical, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
so religious, they'll follow their teams everywhere. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
It's John's first ever visit to a football ground and he's wondering | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
whether the church can learn some lessons about passion | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
from match day. | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
These people are coming to football because they are looking for excitement. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
They clap hands, they dance, they jump. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
For them, it's like, I'm having fun, football. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
Now, suppose you take that person, he goes to church. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
You'll not find fun, you know, it's like worship. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
John is looking to discover more about his hero, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
David Livingstone, and find inspiration for his own mission. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
Livingstone was born here in 1813, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
in a house attached to Blantyre's huge cotton mill, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
employing 1,800 workers. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
The mill is no longer there, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
but the worker's homes are preserved as a museum. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
-This is where David Livingstone was born. -Wow. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
In Shuttle Row in Blantyre. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
-He was born in the top of the house. -Top of this building. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
-There were 24 families living in here in that time. -Wow! | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
-This is David Livingstone's house. Come in and have a look. -Wow. | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
Now, don't make a mistake. It's not a room. This is the whole house. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
-This is the whole house. -This is the whole house. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
-One room for every family, regardless of how many live here. -OK. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
-David was here, with his mum and dad, his gran and grandpa. -OK. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
-And five children. -Five children. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
-So, there were actually nine living in one room. -All right. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
This is David Livingstone's house. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
-This is the house. I promise you. -Wow. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
This is wonderful. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
Seeing the cramped conditions where Livingstone was born, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
reminds John of his own roots. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It's given me a picture of how I brought up myself. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
-Coming from my family, we are 12, we were 12 in our house. -Oh, right. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
-Yeah. -And we're living in one-roomed house. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
-12 of us. -Then you would understand Livingstone. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
Sure. So much. So much. So much. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
The young Livingstone worked up to 14 hours a day in the mill. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
But, remarkably, still found time to educate himself. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
It's well recorded that David used to put a book | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
up here on the machine as he worked. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
And we know that his first book that he bought | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
when he was aged ten was a Latin grammar book. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
And as he walked past, he would read one word, come round and do | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
whatever he was to do, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
and then come back and find out what that word meant. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
The children in the village, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
particularly the ones who couldn't read, used to get annoyed about this | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
and they used to roll up cotton wool and throw it at his book | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
in the hope that the book would get stuck in the twisting machine. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
At 23, Livingstone had scraped enough savings | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
to put himself through medical school. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
After qualifying as a doctor, he trained as a missionary, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
and in 1840, he set sail for Africa. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
In Africa, Livingstone soon came face-to-face with slavery. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
Even though it had been abolished in the British Empire in 1833, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
it still flourished in East Africa. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
As a passionate antislavery campaigner, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
he was hugely influential in gaining public support for the course | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
back in Britain. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
Britain had stopped transatlantic slavery, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
but wasn't getting involved in stopping it on the East Coast. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
So, David was continually writing to the government, and to the Queen | 0:20:18 | 0:20:24 | |
and every newspaper and anyone who supported him, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
he would be writing, this happened and this happened and this happened. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
And explaining, constantly, the horrors of the slavery that was still going on. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
-You would pick the tallest person, I'm so sorry. -Like me. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
And that would go on this way and be bolted at the back of his neck. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
So, the two tallest people in the village would be shackled | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
together in this way and chains coming from here to the smaller ones, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
probably children, and if you don't walk fast enough, I'll whip you. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
If you don't walk fast enough, I'll prod you. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
And, finally, someone will be killed to ensure that everyone speeds up. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
Every morning when he was on Lake Malawi, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
he'd wake up and they would have to push the bodies aside, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
the ones that had got caught around the boat during the night, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
they had to push their bodies aside to continue their journey. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
You know, we were just on Lake Malawi last week, you know, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
with my wife, you know, and I imagine that Livingstone was there, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
and there were dead bodies all over. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
-Something that you can see, now, as beautiful and tranquil. -Yes. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
A pleasure. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
-But it was always tinged with sadness. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
Learning more about Livingstone's life has touched Pastor John. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
He lived his life for us. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
He gave himself up for others, allowing to suffer for the sake of others. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
You know, he lived for the freedom of others. Preaching love. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:54 | |
The issue for John, now, is to think about how he can change things | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
so the word of God can be heard by more people. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
It's Sunday morning at Blantyre's Congregational Church | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
and Rev Malcolm is in the pulpit. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
Let's come this morning in our opening prayer, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
a prayer of thanksgiving and a prayer of confession. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Malcolm's style is traditional and restrained, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
which is what the locals want. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
If anything new comes in that they see as change, then, you know, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
sometimes they're not too sure. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
Some people have got a worship space | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
and they don't like that to be invaded by anybody else, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
so if it's out the norm then they feel, at times, they feel awkward. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
THEY SING | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
The congregation like Malcolm, and they like their church. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
Their worry is the future. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
It's a whole different world, nowadays. Church has gone out of fashion. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
I mean, is just not cool for young boys and girls to come to church. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Once we start to fritter away, there'll be nobody left to carry on. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
The question for John, though, is where are all the young people? | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
As night falls, Glasgow city centre comes alive. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:19 | |
I'm no' standin' and you want tae film me! | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
The famously vibrant nightlife is a good place for John to get an idea | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
of what young people get up to around here. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
-Vodka. -Vodka. Shots. Good. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
Starts off wi' a bottle of Buckfast, finishes off in the casino. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
John's going to be joining the Glasgow Street pastors. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
-How you doing, man? -Yeah, man. -Doing all right? | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
What's up, man?! | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
They're volunteers from all the major faiths, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
whose Christian mission is to help, care, and listen. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Andy Sharp is one of the team leaders. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
This is John. John's over from Malawi. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
He's hoping to find ways to build up the church congregation in Blantyre | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
where he is attached, as well. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
What we don't do, and it's really important, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
is we don't preach at people. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
-Basically, it doesn't work. -Yeah. -Right? If it did, we would do it. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
Believe you me. It doesn't. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
People who you'll meet will be out for a good time, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
they'll be probably drinking a lot, they could be taking alcohol, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
drugs, combinations of things. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
If you can understand their accent, fantastic, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
you'll be doing really well. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
You can have as many as 40,000 people out on a single night. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
You'll find the primary reason for the vast majority of trouble | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
is the legal drug, alcohol. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
We're looking out for people who are vulnerable, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
people who are on their own, people who are homeless. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
What were doing is we're just checking they're OK, check if they're needing any help. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
How you doing guys, are you OK? No worries. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Don't stay out too late, it's going to get wet. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
We were at the chinky and we were waiting for the 23 but we missed it. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
I saw kids, maybe 12, or nine, at night, drinking, you know. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
In our country, most of the people that drink are men. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
You hardly see a lot of women there abusing alcohol. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
Unless if they are these women that do night business. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
When Livingstone first began his missionary work, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
his initial impressions of the local tribes were not good. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
He wrote, "The population is sunk into the very lowest | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
"state of mental and moral degradation." | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
Pastor John's realising he's as much out of his cultural comfort zone | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
as Livingstone was. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
-Have you ever seen us in the street before? -Loads of times. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
-We feel a lot safer. You do good job. -Thank you. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
-We'll see you later. Thank you. Have a good night. -Thanks. -Take care. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
In my country, you can't dress like that during the day. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
You are arrested because our mode of dressing is from top up to bottom. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
You don't even show the legs. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Women are not supposed to show their legs. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
It is not anything that I tell my wife. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:07 | |
Talking to the people that are drunkards, I become threatened. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
So, that's why I was just watching. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
I can't speak there, because anything can happen. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
I don't understand the laws of this country, you understand? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
So, I cannot just be free at night, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:21 | |
talking to the people that are drinking. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
It's tough. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
In Malawi, the young flock to John's church. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Around these parts, it looks like he's got his work cut out. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
To help him with his UK mission, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
John is eager to find out more about Livingstone's methods in Africa. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
He's meeting Elspeth Murdoch, David Livingstone's great-granddaughter. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
Well, this is him with my grandmother, Anna Mary. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
-This was 1937. -1937. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
-This is me, here. -You were here. -Yeah, that's right. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
I don't get a face. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
Livingstone's initial attempts at conversion through direct preaching | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
proved totally ineffective. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
He decided to work with tribal culture, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
rather than fight against it. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
His approach to missionary work changed as he grew to think | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
that Africans were often wiser than their white neighbours. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
He didn't approve, but Livingstone developed a broadminded view of deeply ingrained customs. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:29 | |
He understood that Africans had more than one wife, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
and it was difficult for them to, sort of, say no, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
we can't have any more. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
You know, that's, that was their culture. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
They had their own beliefs and you can't suddenly change, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
I mean, your great-grandfather, what did he believe? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
They were not Christian. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
No, they were not Christian. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
They had their own religion, I have no doubt. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
-They believed in something. Pagan spirits, didn't they? -That's right, that's right. Yes. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
He went along with some of these witch doctors, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
because he knew that they had, you know, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
herbs and things that they used. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
And he was interested in that. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
So, he was able to help in healing, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
and he would teach them and, of course, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
he learned their languages. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
He was good at languages. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
He had tremendous respect for the African. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
Livingstone wanted to take the word of God much further, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
way beyond the established missions, into the heart of Africa. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:34 | |
When Livingstone first went out, he was sent to a mission station | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
at Kuruman, where his father-in-law was a missionary there. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:43 | |
But Livingstone wanted to go further. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Where he knew there was a lot of, you know, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
people who wouldn't have heard of Jesus at all. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
So, they moved out in terribly difficult conditions, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
of course, in the Kalahari Desert. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
You know, in tremendous heat and no water, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
but, he was a man of many gifts. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
And, he certainly opened up Africa for Christianity. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
Meeting Elspeth has made a real impression on John, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
and discovering Livingstone's concessions to local culture | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
is beginning to make John reassess his position. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
It's different with a situation that we have in our country, because | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
we say no to drinking, we say no to smoking, we say no to these thing, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
we say no if you're Christian, you can't do those things, you know. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
But, Christianity that is here, you know, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
it's like people are Christians but they can also do these other things, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
you know, so it's a different society altogether. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
So, there are some situations where you need to compromise. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
Livingstone took huge risks travelling into Africa | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
to spread the word, and John thinks that the congregation here | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
should play a much more active role. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
They can come to church, but there's no-one who's reaching out to them. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
The older people, the people that are in the church are there. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
But they don't want to take an initiative to go out to the people. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Reverend Malcolm. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
He's planning his first sermon with Malcolm, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
which is going to be on the Parable Of The Sower, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
how it's every Christian's duty to go out and encourage people into the Church. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
Yeah, it's not just a matter of maybe a reverend or a pastor, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
you know, to preach the gospel. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:21 | |
Each and every believer, also. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
We are mandated commission to plant seeds everywhere. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
I think this is very relevant to what we're thinking about. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
-Why you're here, as well. -Yes. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
Because, the soil, people's hearts, quite stubborn. And quite closed. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:38 | |
They don't want to be intruded in any way. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
But, it's how to communicate that message in a relevant way. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
Back in Malawi, John's compelling sermon style is a real crowd pleaser. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:51 | |
In Jesus. Somebody say amen. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:56 | |
Amen. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
In Scotland, he's hoping his African approach will be just as well received. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
Good morning. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
ALL: Good morning. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
We have a special visitor this morning. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
Pastor John from a church in Blantyre, Malawi. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
So, let's afford a warm welcome to our visitor this morning. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
Jesus said the sower went out to sow the seeds. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:27 | |
What we need to understand, here, is what is the way of the kingdom. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
We must also share this way to others. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
That's what Jesus is telling us. Go into the world. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Preach the gospel to every creation. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
We cannot just take the seed and keep it. We must bear fruit. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
It's not only the responsibility of reverends, bishops, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
and pastors to preach the word of God. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
It's the responsibility of every believer. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
In Jesus' name, amen. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
Reverend Malcolm, thank you. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:56 | |
Over tea and cakes, John's eager to hear how his high-energy | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
missionary style, so successful in Malawi, has gone down. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
-How was my sermon? -Your sermon was excellent. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
-Not shouting too high? -No, I don't think so. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:18 | |
No, I personally, and I can speak for myself here, I enjoyed it. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
It wasn't so bad. I could pick him out, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
but a lot of the elderly ladies that hadn't had their hearing aids in, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
they found it a wee bit difficult to pick out some of his phrases. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
I like the church the way it is. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
Our services are much quieter. As a preacher, he is full of enthusiasm. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:43 | |
But, I don't know if our church could handle that type of preaching every week. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
Rev Malcolm is somewhat more supportive. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
I wasn't taken aback. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
I've had a broad spectrum, and I've been quite exposed | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
to different forms of expository preaching, so, it was fine for me. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
John's frustrated that his message may have fallen on stony ground. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
The congregation, it's like a quiet congregation. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
When you say amen, no-one could answer. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
When you say amen, you know, just silent, you know. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
When you're there, you see, are these people hearing me? Are they enjoying the message? | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
John's realised that encouraging an ageing congregation | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
to be more active is going to be a challenge. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
John's visiting Blantyre's youth centre. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
He wants to find out what's putting young people off coming through the church doors. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:40 | |
The question is, is it a problem with the medium or the message? | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
SINGING | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
# Anymore. # | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
That's powerful. Wow! That's powerful. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
I didn't expect that I can hear that nice music here. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
I think here, it's most of the young people, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
maybe they don't go to church. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
What does they say, what is the reason of them not going to church, you know. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
I went to church when I was younger. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
But, as I got older, and I had the choice, I chose not to go. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
I don't know if boring's the right word, but, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
there was nothing to integrate me as a kid into church, you know. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
You can't just expect them to sit there and, you know, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
listen to this man who does the same sermon every Sunday. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
You got to get the kids interested. Put a bit of passion in it. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
Which we don't get that in church. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
If you want kids to be interested, you've got to target them. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
And you've got to make an effort, otherwise you're going to lose them. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
John's heartened, there is a glimmer of faith around here. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
It appears it's not the message that's the problem | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
but the way it's communicated. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
They are not far away from God. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
But the problem is the way how the church is conducted. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:10 | |
The challenge here is the system and the type of worship | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
that most churches are using. It doesn't accommodate young people. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
The men and women who run the Blantyre Congregational Church affairs | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
are called the Deacon's Court. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:25 | |
John wants to persuade them to get out into the community | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
and bring young people to the church. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
The deacons are involved in every aspect of the church life. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
And, I have to say, we're quite blessed and fortunate that we have | 0:35:37 | 0:35:43 | |
such a happy team of deacons in the church. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
Thank God. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
Tell us what you have in mind, to...you would like to do, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
what you would like us to assist you with, and if we possibly can. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
If we can. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
Mainly, is taking the church outside to the world, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
so that we can find people that are not in the church and try to bring them in. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
How do you intend getting over their doorstep to talk to them? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
We use the people that we have. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
We use even you to say, do you know any young couple, somewhere, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
that you can invite, you know, just to speak into their lives. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
That's what I believe, we can do that. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
What it comes down to is a time for church. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
Like every parent, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
parents will do anything to keep their children happy. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
They'll get the big things. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
They'll get their iPods and all the rest of it. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
But it doesn't take them to the church. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
They never think of the church at this time. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
We've tried these things and, to be honest, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
some of the looks you get off people sometimes, you know, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
with the greatest respect, Moses could be standing there himself | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and I still don't think they would go into church. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
I believe people can come in the church. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
You know, the place that I am, I am there for four years now, | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
but when I was going there, there were only 25 people in the church. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
So, 25 people now, four years, we're talking about 800 people. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
And I believe God can use us to bring revival | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
in Blantyre. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
But it takes somebody who can believe. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Let's believe God. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
If we believe God, I know something can happen. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
I don't know if you're understanding me. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
You know, here, the mind of the people say, it cannot happen. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
That cannot be done. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:28 | |
Now, if you have that mind, there's nothing that you build on it. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
Because, it's like you're already defeated. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
Irene, the deacon's vice-chair, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:35 | |
is sceptical on the chances of success. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
He's so enthusiastic. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
I would say that the church is a wee bit wary. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
But all churches are wary of somebody coming in from the outside. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
It doesn't matter where you go. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
I think he's hoping to fill the church, and I would like to think that he could do it, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:57 | |
but the people in Blantyre are just not interested. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
In 1841, Livingstone was initially stationed in South Africa, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
where there were already established missions, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
but he soon travelled northwards to assess | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
the feasibility of establishing outposts in unexplored regions. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
Journeying into the heart of Africa, he developed his ideas for expanding | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
the work of missions through native agents - well-trained local converts, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
who would preach the word of God through the local languages. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
Pastor John wants to find his own native agent in modern Blantyre. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
He's been introduced to one of the youth centre volunteers. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
Chloe is a practising Christian, but she's been attracted | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
to a more vibrant church in another part of the city. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
From my point of view, church was always boring, and it was something | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
I always wanted to rebel against, until I went to my new church. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
And it's fun, and that sort of stuff, and I find that born-again Christian churches are so much different. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:58 | |
I find the churches around here are really good churches but, they're not really, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
-they don't do much to relate to the youth. -OK. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
So, I find that if they do more stuff to relate to the youth, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
like doing events for youth, it would really get them involved. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
-The whole thing is a puzzle. -Yeah, the whole thing is a puzzle. I like it. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
-Thank you so much. -No bother. It was nice to meet you. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
You could really see that this young lady's a powerful believer. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
Powerful born-again. And she knows the importance of being in the church. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
This is what we are looking for. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Chloe lives in one of the roughest areas of Blantyre. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
Over the last year we've had a lot of attacks. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
It's made Blantyre a scary place. Like, I know my dad doesn't like me out after a certain time, nowadays. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
When I first meet somebody, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:47 | |
I find that I don't tell them straight away that I go to church. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
I find some people are really not accepting of it. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Like, I have friends who don't talk to me any more | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
because I go to church. I don't let it bother me. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
If that's the kind of person they want to be, I don't really want to know them. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
Chloe's invited John to come and meet the neighbours. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
How does people see churches here. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
-That's the only faith I've got. -What's that? -That the Celtic badge. Celtic football team. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
Are you a Christian, yourself? | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
Protestant. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Do you believe in God, yourself? | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
I believe in him, aye. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:19 | |
You believe in God. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
Aye, but I just don't... not interested in church. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
-Is it also your church boring? -My church isn't boring. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
My church, I love my church. My church is really lively. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
We've got a band. We sing. That sort of stuff. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
We always have stuff happening. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
Like, we have summer camps and we have, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
we had the multicultural service on Sunday, there. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
The churches in Blantyre are mostly like, we sing hymns, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
with the organ, and then you listen to the priest. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
They could make it a bit more lively for young people to enjoy. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
I don't find they really focus on young people. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
I think Pastor John has done really well coming here. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
I don't see any people from the church, over here, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
going out into the streets and asking people about church | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
and all that different stuff. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
No-one else has tried it before, and someone should have. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
Pastor John's frustrated. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
He thinks members of the church should be doing more | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
in areas like this. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
The Christians here are not true Christians, frankly speaking. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
If they don't have...if they don't have an urge within themselves | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
to share the gospel, what they believe to other people, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
it cannot make you a true Christian. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
Learning about Chloe's vibrant services has confirmed to John | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
that the Congregational Church needs a fresh approach. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
And music is the key. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
In Malawi, music is at the very heart of Pastor John's approach | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
to worship and conversion. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
He thinks it brings his congregation closer to God. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
In Britain, the average age of churchgoers is over 50, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
and set to rise as conventional services | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
fail to appeal to the young. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
John's determined to buck the trend. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
He's planning an African-style musical service. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
In Malawi, we bring music, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
we bring equipment, people dance, people sing, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
and people come because they want to actually enjoy singing, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
you know, and then after that, when they are there, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
enjoying their music, it's when we preach to them. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
So, I believe that's what I'm also going to do here | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
and see if we can take it out and then do something for the church. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
I know if they tried this style, it will work. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
They want somebody young to encourage them and make the message happy. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:43 | |
Not just Bible thumping, but let them enjoy it. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
To ensure his message hits the target with young people, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
John wants to hold his musical service in the local skate park, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
but he needs the support of the Deacon's Court first. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Because most of the young people that I meet in the streets, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
it's like they are not interested with, "Church, Church, Church". | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
Things like those. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:09 | |
That's why I thought, maybe, why can't we take it to the skate park | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
and see if they will come? | 0:43:13 | 0:43:14 | |
You've been out and about, you've done what you want to do, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:19 | |
so, why do you want to take the church | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
to a place that it doesn't go? | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
Why should the church go there? Because we don't go there. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
That's the very answer why we should. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
Church should go to places where the church doesn't normally go to. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
These young people, some of them feel that they are not actually good with churches. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
Why can't we just do it outside? | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
John, I'll make it very blunt. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
In the evening, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
the skate park's not a place that the congregation would go to. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
Because they don't feel safe. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
If you had it solely, for instance, at the skate park, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
you would lose the number of people who really want to be there for you. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
We don't need to be inside, John, even if we are here. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
We could still be outside. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
You know, with the doors open. The band could be here, as well. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:08 | |
Why not try and have it in two venues? | 0:44:08 | 0:44:13 | |
Have part of the evening here, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
and have part of the evening at the skate park? | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
Say whatever you want and decide. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
You'll get support. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
It's a reluctant thumbs up for John's event, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
settled with a compromise. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:28 | |
The service at the skate park | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
and a barbecue event, after, back at the church. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
They cannot see why it is important, now, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
but I think when they come they will see why we're doing it outside. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
It's because they are afraid, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
because they have never done it before. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
John's pleased at the outcome, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
but now he has to persuade the community | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
to come out and meet the church at his event. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
Chloe, John's local native agent, | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
is helping put the word out on the streets of Blantyre. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
Live music, gospel artists from Africa. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
People playing band music, drums, what-what-what. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
-Wednesday? -Wednesday. -OK. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
-On Wednesday. You coming? -When? -From, from, from 6pm. You know? | 0:45:12 | 0:45:18 | |
-You having something here at night? -That's right. Here at night. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
So we are looking for young couples, young people that maybe would like to come. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
We're not a couple. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
-Let me introduce you. My name is John. -Thank you so much. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
-I am John, as well. -Right, so is he. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
John's not just handing out flyers. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
If he has any chance of succeeding in his mission, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
he knows he's going to have to forge stronger bonds. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
Pastor John, you'll be with this team here. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
He's back at the youth centre | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
and he's got his boots on. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
I've scored three goals. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
They are good. I think what matters is just association. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
It's very important, and build relationships. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
This is the best way that we have used so far. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
Unwavering in his mission of encouraging young people | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
to see Christianity in a new light, John sees opportunities everywhere. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
He's joining the local Boys' Brigade on a trip. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
# My god is good! # | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
Give me high five before I play. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
In the name of Jesus. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
The Brigade is run by the Congregational Church. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
But the boys who join it are under no obligation | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
to attend church services and they often don't. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
Like many of the boys, 16-year-old Jack is a lapsed churchgoer. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
I just don't go to church. I used to go to church when I was younger. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
But, as a family, we just stopped. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
At that time, or around it, Boys' Brigade, we were just kept in the Boys' Brigade. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
Just because it's so much fun. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:53 | |
John Murray has been involved with the brigade for 40 years. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:58 | |
Boys know instinctively who's a good person and who's not good person. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
They'll shy away from someone who's not within their scope. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
But Pastor John, he's made a score with them, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
so he must've been a good guy, and they've reacted to him. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
God is on his side right now. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
The missionary methods that Livingstone practised in Africa | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
were advanced and liberal for the time. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
He gave medical help, taught English, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
and immersed himself in day-to-day native life. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
In modern-day Malawi, Livingstone's legacy is still evident. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
Pastor John's door is always open, and locals come to him for advice, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
both spiritual and practical. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
The first problem that he had is I think he had an accident | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
and then he broke the hand. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
There's two pain inside his body, | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
so he's looking for prayer that God can heal that pain. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
The other problem is that he's saying he's HIV-positive, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
but the wife is not. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:02 | |
So, there is a battle in the house. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
He is looking for us to help, to intervene | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
so that the marriage can be stabilised. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
So I've told that he has to come here together with his wife, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
then I can offer them counselling. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
John's putting some of his strategies from Malawi | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
into practice in Scotland. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:18 | |
Dawn, one of the Boys' Brigade mums, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
lost her Christian faith | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
after her brother died in a car crash aged just 21. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
John's meeting her to give her some spiritual guidance. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:32 | |
To me, it was so personal. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:33 | |
Why... How could he take away a young man in his prime? | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
We don't choose to be born. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
And we don't choose to die. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
It's just what God has established. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
Death is part of life. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:45 | |
If we are born, we are waiting to die. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
I think you have to really have a true, strong belief | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
in God to believe that. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
The best thing that you can do is not to blame God. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
Let it not break your heart. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
It actually pleased God to take him back. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
But you must have hope that whoever died, in the world, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
it's not finished. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
There is another life | 0:49:12 | 0:49:13 | |
after this life. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
Thank you. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
Let God give you the peace. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
God bless you. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:20 | |
I didn't get the answers, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
really a definitive answer, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
but, I think, a direction has now been given. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:36 | |
I've wanted God back in my life, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
I've just never found the stepping stone, the first step. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
But having spoken to Pastor John, I think I've found my way again. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:49 | |
Buoyed by the connection he's made with Dawn, John's spreading | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
the word of his gospel event with vigour. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
He wants to cast his net as wide as possible, | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
and attract not just Blantyre's kids, but their mums too. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
How are you, everybody? Thank you so much. I'm Pastor John. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
I'm coming from Malawi. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
You people, Zumba people are not in church. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
So, I brought church to Zumba. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
I'm inviting you on Wednesday at the Blantyre skate park | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
from 6:30 to 7:30. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
Be there and may God bless you for your time. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
God bless you for listening to me. Amen. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
-Morning, John. -Morning. How are you today? Fine, thanks. How are you? | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
It's the day of the event, and John's helping to buy | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
supplies for the church barbecue, with one of the deacons, Irene. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
OK, that's tomato ketchup. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
We're having a barbecue up at the church, tonight, so if you're not doing anything, come up for a roll. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
I might pop along, then. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
Tonight, I'm only hoping that when Pastor John is speaking to them, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
that he doesn't frighten some of them off. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
He's got the African spirit in him. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
We're not the jump up and jump about church. We're a more sedate church. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:21 | |
Today, it's like, whatever we're doing, in all these weeks, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
we actually doing for this day. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
People will see something new, that maybe they've never seen, and I believe they're going to enjoy. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
Down at the skate park, the marquee is going up. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
The PA system is being unpacked and Pastor John is in his Sunday best. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:50 | |
Hello. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
170 years after Livingstone left Scotland on his missionary travels, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
African drums are calling the youth of Blantyre. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:06 | |
And they seem to be working on the older folk, too. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
The Congregational Church members have overcome their anxieties about venturing out to the skate park. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:21 | |
Let me welcome each one of you that are here today, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
I'm Pastor John, from Malawi. God bless you for your coming. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
For a few minutes I want to share the word of God with you. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
I'm waiting for you, come, brothers and sisters, come. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
Now, he's got the church to come out and meet the community, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
can John's energetic and passionate brand of worship have an impact? | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
Let me pray for you. Come closer. Come closer. Come closer. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:49 | |
Put the hand of your neighbour. I want to pray for you. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
Father, I pray in the name of Jesus for my brothers | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
and sisters that are here today. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
I've spoken, to them, your word. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
And your word is alive. A seed has been planted in their lives. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:09 | |
I pray by the power of the Holy Spirit, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
let this seed grow in them. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
-In the name of Jesus. Somebody say amen. -Amen. -God bless you so much. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:21 | |
Let's clap hands for Jesus. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
THEY SING | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
I've never been to church, but I thought it did make sense. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
Made me want to believe in it more. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
A lot of ministers, it's dead quiet, and shy, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
but he definitely expressed it well. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:46 | |
Here we just sit and read Bibles and talk, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
whereas there's music and a little bit of dancing, I enjoyed it. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
It was something different and I think | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
if we had that here I'd go to church more often. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
I really enjoyed being with you, here. I've made a lot of friends. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
And I want to appreciate you for actually opening up yourself | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
and talking to me. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:13 | |
The skate park kids are impressed enough to make it back to the church barbecue. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
It was good, and it was different, as well. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
After seeing him I would consider, definitely, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
getting up on a Sunday after a hangover and going to church. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
It was a success and Pastor John proved us wrong. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
He got the people out. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
So, that's what it's all about. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
He has shown to us that going out into the community | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
and meeting the people out there, rather than going and inviting them in here, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
is a first stepping stone to bringing them into the church. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
He's such a friendly, friendly chap. The people have loved him. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
They've taken him to their hearts, because they have loved him. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
He's so genuine. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:06 | |
It's just a pity he couldn't stay a wee bit longer. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
-Would it make you go to church? -Yes, actually. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
I think it would, yeah. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
It was good. It was lively. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
I think he's built up the curiosity, again, in people. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
Of what the church is and what the church means. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
One of the key things I've learned from this experience | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
is finding the next generation, trying to target them, in a way, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:32 | |
and tell them that church is relevant for them. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
That is the key, possibly, to the survival of the church. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
Wow! Thank you. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
-See, when you're eating out, you'll remember Blantyre. -Sure! | 0:55:42 | 0:55:47 | |
-Great. -Thank you so much. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:48 | |
God bless you so much. I really appreciate it. Haggis. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:53 | |
He's left the message that if you go out there | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
and spend time with the kids and speak to them | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
at their level, that you'd maybe get more children in. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
I think he'll be talked about for a while. That's for sure. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:14 | |
-Right, thanks. Bye-bye. -Bye. -Bye. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
He has a mission in life. And I hope he fulfils it. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
John's hopeful that the ideas he is sowing on his mission | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
will blossom in Blantyre. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
I know that the seed that has been planted in people's lives, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
that seed will never die, and cannot die. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
So, I know that seed will keep on growing. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
I'll be at my home in Africa | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
but I'll still be praying for that seeds to grow in their lives. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
So, I know the things that I've started will really grow, | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
and with time, people will see what has happened today. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
Before Pastor John leaves for Malawi and home, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
he wants to pay his respects to Dr David Livingstone in person. | 0:56:55 | 0:57:00 | |
Livingstone died in Africa aged 60, after years of ill health. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
His wish was that he remained in the continent that he loved. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
Livingstone's heart was buried in Africa | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
but his body was buried at Westminster Abbey in 1874. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
To me it's a great honour. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
Something that I did not expect to happen in my life. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
I feel honoured to respect one of the great men | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
that ever existed as a missionary in this world. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
I really know that they really honoured him, taking him here, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
and putting him here. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
It's like he's one of the pillars of the United Kingdom. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
To me it's like I've just seen the whole life of Livingstone, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
cos I've been where he was born and now it's where he laid to rest. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:57 | |
My prayer is that his soul rest in peace. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
Next time, Kshama Jayaraj, from Mumbai, comes to Belfast. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
Inspired by Victorian missionary Amy Carmichael who helped spread | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
Christianity in southern India, | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
but can a modern-day missionary | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
break down age-old barriers of prejudice? | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
Nobody is going to ask whether you are A group or B group. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 | |
We'll never be in the Shankill Road. They'll know we're not from there. They're going to start something. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:31 | |
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