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Her law and welcome to the show. Sadly, the last of the series. I am | :00:05. | :00:12. | |
in a blustery Hinkley Point in Somerset, home to three generations | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
of nuclear power station. Over there, you can see Hinkley Point be, | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
which is currently generating power and supplying 1 million homes in | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
the UK. Hinkley Point Bay is being decommissioned. In that empty space | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
behind that is the proposed Hinkley Point C, the new nuclear power | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
station, get to be built, that will generate power for 5 million homes. | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
In March, a group -- the reported on the tsunami which hit Japan | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
resulting in the loss of 15,000 lives, damaging the Fukushima | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
nuclear reactor. It is that incident which came to dominate the | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
headlines. But how much of the science behind those headlines do | :00:56. | :01:02. | |
we understand? Tonight's show, we're going to one of Britain's | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
oldest nuclear sites, to get to that on the issue of what to do | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
with nuclear radioactive waste, Liz looks at the effect of radiation on | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
us for help, and GM gets to the heart of the matter by showing us | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
how a nuclear power station actually works. I am about to do | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
something almost nobody ever gets to do. Goal inside a nuclear | :01:23. | :01:32. | |
reactor. Built inside -- in 1978, this one is almost identical to the | :01:32. | :01:39. | |
Fukushima reactor, except it was never switched on. You walk into a | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
nuclear power plant, you cannot help but be awestruck by the size | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
and apparent complexity of the place. But the truth is, when you | :01:48. | :01:56. | |
get to the heart of the operation it is all surprisingly simple. All | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
of this complex machinery is here to monitor and control the nuclear | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
reaction that he's water and turns it into steam. Once the steam | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
leaves the reactor, you're in the realms of conventional power. Hawke, | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
high-pressure steam comes down to write like this and gets fed into a | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
turbine. There, the technology is not so much nuclear but Victorian - | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
the pressure of the steam pursues the Blades of the turbine, causing | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
us to rotate. That turns a generator, which produces | :02:33. | :02:40. | |
electricity that this plant was built for in the first place. A big | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
problem I find with nuclear power- station as us that this year -- the | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
scale of them makes them confusing. But it boils down to this. You have | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
a nuclear reactor here, it is like a kettle, except the water is not | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
heated by electricity but by nuclear fuel rods. Oil and water | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
produces steam. Steam comes down a pipe and impacts on a turbine, | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
which is essentially a bunch of spoons, on a spindle. That reduces | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
electricity, and you have got yourself a happy town. The thing | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
that makes a nuclear power station different from a conventional one | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
is how the water is heated to form steam. To see that, I have to go | :03:24. | :03:34. | |
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This is the heart of a nuclear reactor. Not many people get to | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
stand you, because, when active, all of this would be around 300 | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
degrees Celsius. And under a similar pressure that you would | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
find half-a-mile below the ocean, pushing the walls apart with the | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
force of 40,000 tonnes. Where does the energy come from to do that? It | :03:55. | :04:05. | |
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These are nuclear fuel assemblies. If operational, this small space | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
would be packed with 100 of these. Each giving out a vast amounts of | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
energy in the form of heat. That is because every one of these square | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
metal tubes would be packed with thousands of little pellets like | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
this, made of uranium oxide, and uranium is very special to us, | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
because it is an atom that we can split. When things break apart, | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
they release the energy stored in whatever was holding them together. | :04:39. | :04:46. | |
It does not matter if that is an atom or stretched elastic band. We | :04:46. | :04:53. | |
are going to come in, split it, and what I end up with, is two smaller, | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
high energy elements flying off in different directions. When that is | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
an atom, they smash into their surroundings, warming things up. No | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
matter how small the scissors, they are not the tool for splitting an | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
atom. To do that you need a small particle called neutrons. When this | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
hits the centre of a uranium atom, it gets absorbed, causing the atom | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
to become unstable, and to split. As well as releasing that energy, | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
you release two or three more neutrons that can fly off into the | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
surroundings, causing more trouble. That is still not really enough to | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
sustain a nuclear reaction. Uranium atoms do not absorb neutrons that | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
easily. Neutrons have to be going at just the right speed, and, for | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
that, this reactor needs one more thing. Just add water. The water | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
plays a pivotal role, because it slows down the neutrons, to a speed | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
where they are more likely to be absorbed by a near banning uranium | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
atoms, causing them to become unstable, releasing more energy and | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
more neutrons in a cascade. If you can keep the sustainable, you have | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
gone critical. Which is a good thing, because, then, you generate | :06:17. | :06:27. | |
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heat sufficiently quickly to run a So, what was it that went wrong at | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
the Fukushima reactor? To find out, I headed back to the workshop, for | :06:42. | :06:50. | |
some experimentation. This is pretty much what created those very | :06:50. | :06:57. | |
dramatic explosions. An unfortunate mixture of hydrogen and oxygen | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
coming into contact with something hot. The big difference is, there's | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
involved about 1 million times more hydrogen, and risked splitting more | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
than my eardrums. But, what possible cause of events could have | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
resulted in a nuclear power station is up -- releasing one ton of | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
hydrogen? In the case of Booker shimmer, a massive air quicks | :07:25. | :07:32. | |
struck and all the main power went out. -- earthquake struck. These | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
reactors are fitted with an automatic brake, and in the case of | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
an emergency, neutron absorbing Broads are inserted between the | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
fuel rods, shutting down the main reaction. But the bad news is, you | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
cannot just totally switch of a nuclear reactor, because all the | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
time it had been working, to uranium would have been producing | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
several radioactive by-products which continues plotting and giving | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
of heat, long after the main reaction has been shut off. This is | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
known as decay heat. Even though it is 1.5% of the normal running power | :08:10. | :08:16. | |
of the reactor, it's still equates to about 20 megawatts. That is the | :08:16. | :08:23. | |
equivalent of having 10,000 kettles boiling away in there. Even 10,000 | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
kettles were up of heat is not a problem, providing you have plenty | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
of water circulating through the reactor, taking that heat away. | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
Even after the earthquake, the pumps pumping the water were still | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
working fine, running off back-up generators, but then this tsunami | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
hit, wiping out the back-up generators, and the electrical | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
switchgear. This meant there was no water circulating through the | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
reactor, and, just like this cattle, it was beginning to boil dry. -- | :08:58. | :09:08. | |
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this careful. -- kettle. It just gets hotter and hotter. Soon, in | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
the reactor, the temperature reached 1200 degrees Celsius. At | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
1300 degrees Celsius, something even more serious started to happen. | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
Surrounding uranium fuel pellets is a metal called zirconium. And that | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
is then temperatures, it begins to chemically react with this steam | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
inside the reactor, producing an extremely flammable gas, hydrogen. | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
Now you have got fuel and hydrogen building inside the reactor vessel, | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
and the pressure is increasing dramatically, leaving the engineers | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
with an extremely difficult dilemma. Here is a model we have made to | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
demonstrate the problem. This is my reactor core. I am going to pot | :09:57. | :10:04. | |
that inside my nuclear plant. Inside the model, I have put some | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
reactive metal to simulate zirconium, and, if I add some acid, | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
it will produce hydrogen gas, in much the same way, and I recruited | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
their problem. Already, that is getting dangerously high, which | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
leaves me in a similar position to the Japanese, and I've got to | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
release the pressure now, because the worst-case scenario is, that | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
reactor vessel burst, because of the pressure building up inside it. | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
The workers at Fukushima avoided the worst case scenario, the huge | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
reactor core itself bursting under pressure, spring superheated | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
nuclear material at. But some of the gases released into the chamber | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
flowed back into the building, and created a new danger. That gas is | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
hydrogen, and when it mixes with air, and comes into contact with | :10:57. | :11:07. | |
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any kind of spark, you have a Ooh! Dramatic and powerful as a | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
higher rate -- hydrogen explosion is, it is just rapidly burning gas, | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
and it is reassuring to know that even with an horrendous natural | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
disaster, the were enough control measures built into the plant that | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
engineers could stop the excess pressure Breaston the reactor would | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
sell up. The materials used in nuclear power mean that these | :11:43. | :11:51. | |
places can never become a nuclear bombs. This is the beautiful old | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
pink -- Hinkley Point is a control room. It is being closed than now. | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
But that is not the end of the story. Ahead lie years of | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
decommissioning. The reactor core is set to remain on site for the | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
next 100 years. That raises the most contentious issue when we talk | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
about nuclear power, whether it is an ordinary operation like Hinkley | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
Point, or the result of a disaster like Fukushima or Chernobyl, what | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
can we do with the radioactive waste? I went up to the far north | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
of Scotland, to find out. After a tour to five years of service, doom | :12:29. | :12:36. | |
racer that -- nuclear power station was decommissioned in 1994 -- | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
Dounreay. Nuclear reactors always produce radioactive waste. That can | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
range from the contents of the reactor core, to anything in the | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
plant that becomes contaminated with radiation. Current figures | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
show that in the UK, we have well over 160,000 tonnes of the staff, | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
and something needs to be done with it. At Boon Rae, at 2.2 billion pan | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
clean-up was under way. But after six years, they are still dealing | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
with the lowest level waste, contaminated paper, rags, and tools | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
which must be steeled -- sealed into steel drums and painstakingly | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
analysed. There is more low-level waste than anything else, and some | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
of it is barely radioactive. Inside the reactor core itself lies a more | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
serious challenge. Where I am walking here below my feet is the | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
reactor. Inside the reactor core, is some very hazardous radioactive | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
material, uranium and plutonium. The big challenge is to get it out | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
and make it said. This final stage of the clean-up is due to start | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
next year. Handling this waste will be so hazardous, they are | :13:57. | :14:05. | |
installing Roberts, ready to do the job run madly. -- robots. -- | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
remotely. First, you remove the fuel from the reactor. This | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
sophisticated mast has 14 different tools on it which can cut free the | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
elements in the reactor. It is like a big Swiss Army knife. It is a | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
huge Swiss Army knife that is designed to work remotely and | :14:23. | :14:29. | |
reliably. That gets rid of all the fuel in the system. Once extracted, | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
the pure words are put into a cell containing an automated dismantling | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
robot. For now, the row was practising with pretend fuel rods, | :14:39. | :14:48. | |
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but once active, it will handle the It is unlike lie we will put anyone | :14:52. | :15:01. | |
in here again. Another row Bott will transfer the fuel into stain | :15:01. | :15:09. | |
less steel drums. These drums will go into an underground area under | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
controlled conditions and be stored there forever. But at Dounreay the | :15:14. | :15:24. | |
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clean up isn't the only challenge. In the 1960s things didn't go to | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
plan and in a series of accidents thousands of particles of waste | :15:31. | :15:39. | |
were flushed into the sea. The task now is to recover as many as | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
possible, one by one. It shouldn't have occurred. We have released | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
radioactive material into the environment and it is now | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
uncontrolled. The risk would be a fish ingesting a particle and | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
getting into the food chain. That was the concern. These particle | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
will be on the sea bed, in the sand. So the fish would have to eat the | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
sand. However there was a possibility that they could get | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
into the food chain and therefore some one could be exposed to it. | :16:10. | :16:18. | |
The parms are tiny fragments 06 spent fuel -- particles. The team | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
used a remotely operated vehicle. The challenge is to scan an area | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
the size of 500 football pitches. As soon as they detect something it | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
will stop and drill down. They will target it and then just drill down, | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
suck up a mixture of sand and water. So it is base clay big vacuum | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
cleaner. Yes. The robot returns to the surface and the canisters of | :16:47. | :16:57. | |
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sand are unloaded for screening. So he is going through all the sands. | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
Spreading the sand out and monitoring it. You can hear from | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
that noise that they have found something there. So we divide the | :17:10. | :17:18. | |
sand down, and check each bit to find the particle. It is there! | :17:18. | :17:27. | |
So it is in there. You will monitor 60 hectares wrt of sand. Every | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
grain? Yes with the ROV and any sand that comes back here that | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
again will be monitored to make sure it is clean before it goes | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
back to the sea. The radiation given off by these particles can | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
penetrate human skin. But as the workers never touch it, they're | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
safe. We know about the particles that are out at sea, is there a | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
risk of getting particles here on the beach? In any two week survey | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
we may find two or three. So you are talking three or three | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
individual grains of sands from all of this sand. If somebody came into | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
contact with a particle, on the beach. What would happen to them sh | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
The most likely way come into contact with it is if you got it | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
stuck on your skin. A couple of days later, you would get a | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
reddening on the skin, like a burn and that would heal up. That would | :18:27. | :18:35. | |
be it. But long-term it gives you a risk of developing a cancer. Not | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
that you will, but there is a risk associated with with radiation | :18:40. | :18:49. | |
exposure and cancer. I suppose that is what it comes down how to, | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
however slight a link between cancer and radiation from a reactor | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
like this might be, it is enough understand tpwhroi generate a sense | :18:59. | :19:09. | |
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of fear in all of us and of course the press. But we weren't always so | :19:10. | :19:19. | |
nervous of radiation. Once radioactivity was positively | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
celebrated. It was a fashionable label and radioactive water was | :19:23. | :19:33. | |
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seen as a cure for all ills. But This footage was taken during the | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
aftermath of the atomic bomb-blast in Japan and the images are | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
unsettling. Not only because they're a reminder of thousands who | :20:01. | :20:10. | |
died, but also because these events started a fear of radioactivity. | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
Since the atom bomb-blast it has been difficult to make a | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
dispassionate assessment of the dangers. But that is what I want to | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
do and wipe the slate clean and find out the truth about the | :20:24. | :20:34. | |
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effects of radiation. Jerry Thomas is an expert on the 1986 chorl | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
disaster. I have asked her to put the number of deaths into | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
perspective. -- Chernobyl. Everyone knows about the bombings in Japan. | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
A lot of people died, but most of the population died from the blast | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
injury. Actually only about 15 to 20% of the people who died as a | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
result of the bombs died because of radiation. You're talking about | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
20,000 deaths from radiation. So where do we go? Let's look at | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
something else. This is the figure of people that were killed as a | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
result of a dam burst in China in 1975. The dam was there to provide | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
Hydro Electric power. Does puts it into perspective. Now something | :21:26. | :21:34. | |
that we do to ourselves and this is cigarettes. This is the total death | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
toll for 2009 for lung cancer or the other smoking-related diseases | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
that result in death. Lower down the scale, Jerry says over 2,000 | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
people died in road accidents in 2009. But perhaps most surprising | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
is her next figure. How about falling out of bed. 106 people each | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
year fall out of bed. Seriously? Yes. 106 people each year fall out | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
of bed and die as a result. That is desperate, I didn't mean to joke | :22:11. | :22:19. | |
about it. It serve serves to make you paranoid about everything. | :22:19. | :22:27. | |
that is the point, life is risky. So where does Chernobyl fit in? | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
think I might be shocked. I think it will be less than car crashes. | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
You're right. I think this is will be a surprise to you. Somewhere | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
between the number of people who die falling out of bed and the | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
number who die in car crashes. thought it would be closer to 2,000. | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
It is remarkable how much lower the death toll from radiation at | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
Chernobyl is than that in Japan. According to Jerry, that figure | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
includes both the short-term effects of acute radiation sickness | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
and most cancers. So the main thing is not to make the mistake of | :23:07. | :23:15. | |
associate Agnew clear accident to something like an atom bok. The | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
numbers illustrate. Figures suggest that radiation from accidents like | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
Chernobyl is not as worrying as a lot of the media coverage would | :23:23. | :23:30. | |
have us believe. But it can and does kill. And I want to understand | :23:30. | :23:40. | |
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how. I'm meeting Dr Susan short to show me who radiation can do. Here | :23:42. | :23:52. | |
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they grow human tissue cells and expose them to X-rays. This is the | :23:54. | :24:02. | |
machine. This is the X-ray machine. The beam has energy to irrate yaid | :24:02. | :24:09. | |
-- irradiate the cells. We switch the machine on for various lengths | :24:09. | :24:16. | |
of time. Using sum pls, Susan investigates how radiation damages | :24:16. | :24:25. | |
cells. We have got cells that we were growing in a dish and we have | :24:25. | :24:33. | |
two sets. This is a group of cells that have not had any radiation. | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
Each of the dots is a surviving group of cells. That is a group of | :24:39. | :24:48. | |
cells. Cells growing well. Yes. This is the same cells that have | :24:48. | :24:56. | |
had a dose of X-rays. Just one dose. It is a marked difference. A lot of | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
cells died. The reason X-rays can kill cells, because like the | :25:00. | :25:07. | |
radiation from a power plant, they cause a process called ir | :25:07. | :25:15. | |
yonisation. That is -- Ionisation. That is a lot of energy and it | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
producing electrons and free radicals that can damage other | :25:19. | :25:27. | |
proteins. And it can make its different for the cell to function | :25:27. | :25:37. | |
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The X-ray beam comes out of the head 069 -- of the machine. | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
machine limits damage to healthy cells. All cells they touch are | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
affected. But because the machine rotates, healthy cells get just a | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
brief dose and the tumour is repeatedly exposed. So you build up | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
the dose and avoid that? Mind yourself. Chris is incredible. The | :26:37. | :26:43. | |
work of radiotherapists means we're learning more about the effects of | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
radiation on our health. And already lessons learned from | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
Chernobyl have had an astonishing effect on the human cost of Japan's | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
nuclear accident. In Fukushima, what was the death toll? There | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
won't be a death toll from radiation in Fukushima. Because | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
they have done all the right things, they read the book and acted as | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
they should have done. There won't be a death toll in Fukushima and I | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
would be surprised if anybody loses their life as a result of exposure | :27:15. | :27:24. | |
to anything from Fukushima. So I hope we have given you some food | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
for thought. But the bottom line is there are no real easy answers when | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
it comes to discussing nuclear energy. We have all got strong | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
opinions the Government is releasing a report into the future | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
of the UK policy in the next few weeks. We have come to tends of the | :27:41. | :27:50. | |
show and the series. Before we go, look online. Dr Yang has done a | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
film about carbon dates. There a lot about nuclear power and | :27:54. | :28:04. | |
Fukushima. Also the BBC is looking for amateur scientists. Look at | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
that competition. That is its for this series and thank you for | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
joining us. It has been fantastic. A treats before you go. If you're | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
one of the people who haven't seen Bang live, we record a show that we | :28:20. | :28:26. |