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When I was growing up, there were nine planets in the solar system. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
Then poor old Pluto got the boot, and we went down to eight. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Now scientists claim they have found a new ninth planet | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
orbiting far beyond Pluto. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Tonight, The Sky At Night investigates | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
the case for Planet Nine. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
On 20th January, two astronomers from this university, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
Caltech, in Pasadena, southern California, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
made an extraordinary announcement. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
They claimed they had compelling evidence that a new, as yet unseen, planet | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
was orbiting the sun, far beyond the existing planets. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
So far this is a theoretical discovery. The planet's | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
existence has been predicted by computer models. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
But if it does exist, it throws up many questions. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
Where is it? What does it look like? | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
And most crucially, how did it get there? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
We'll be talking to astronomers here in California, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
and in the UK, to answer those questions and find out what | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
a discovery of Planet Nine would mean for our understanding of the solar system. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
But first, let's put Planet Nine in context, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
and see how it fits in to our understanding of the rest of the solar system. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:43 | |
This is what we thought was the extent of the solar system | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
for thousands of years. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
And it's restricted to the planets we can see with the naked eye. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
So in the centre, of course, we have the sun, then Mercury, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
Venus, Earth, Mars, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
Jupiter. And 1.5 billion kilometres from the sun sits Saturn. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
And this is all we thought there was until the 18th century. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
Since then, the solar system has gradually expanded. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
In 1781, Uranus was discovered. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Followed in 1846 by Neptune. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Tiny Pluto was added in 1930, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
pulling the edge of the solar system out to 5.9 billion kilometres | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
away from the sun. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Pluto was counted as a planet for over 70 years. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
But now we know it is just one object in a huge doughnut-shaped | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
belt of billions of icy bodies | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
and comets called the Kuiper belt. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
It was thought that the Kuiper belt marked the outer edge of the realm of the planets. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
But now it seems that might not be the case. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
For some of us, it's an extraordinary thought, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
but many astronomers have long suspected there may be | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
other planets lurking in the dark expanse beyond the Kuiper belt. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
And we're getting the first evidence that suggests | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
they may be right. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
To get a feel of just how far away Planet Nine is, if it exists, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
we need to plot its position in relation to the rest of the planets. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
On this scale, every centimetre is about 35 million kilometres. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:21 | |
The Earth is 150 million kilometres from the sun. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
Pluto is 40 times further away, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
and the outer edge of the Kuiper belt is still further. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
But Planet Nine is far beyond that. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
At the point of closest approach in its orbit, it sits | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
200 times further from the sun than the Earth. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
That's a whopping 30 billion kilometres away from the sun. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
But unlike the other planets, the proposed orbit of Planet Nine is | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
not circular. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
Its highly eccentric path takes it much, much deeper into space. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
At its furthest possible point, its aphelion, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
it could be as much 1,200 times further from the sun than the Earth. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
On this scale, it's 54 metres away. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
In reality, it would be 180 billion kilometres from the sun. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
And because the orbit is inclined by 30 degrees to the | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
rest of the solar system, it means it's also above, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
or below, the plane of the rest of the planets. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
It seems almost unbelievable that there could be a planet | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
so far out in the solar system. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
A mysterious world. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Ten times more massive than the Earth... | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
..on a orbit so long, it takes between 10,000 | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
and 20,000 years to complete one lap of the sun. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
But how was the discovery made? | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Chris drew the...short straw and flew to California to find out. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
One of the key people in the Planet Nine story is an astronomer | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
here at Caltech. He's got history | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
when it comes to changing our views of the solar system. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
Ten years ago, he was instrumental in demoting poor old Pluto. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
He even wrote a book about it. His name is Mike Brown. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Brown's speciality is the Kuiper belt. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
In 2003, he discovered Eris, a Kuiper belt object bigger | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
than Pluto, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
a discovery that was instrumental in Pluto's demotion. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
A month later, he co-discovered Sedna. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
This was the first of what became six unusual Kuiper belt objects | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
that have been found with highly eccentric orbits that take them | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
far out into space. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
They were six of the most distant objects ever | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
found in the solar system. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
It was studying their orbits that led Brown to the | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
idea that there might be another planet out there. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
So the story starts with the outer bits of the solar system, the Kuiper belt. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
What we found is that the most distant objects that are part | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
of the Kuiper belt, so these ones that come into the Kuiper belt | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
but swing out really far, the very most distant ones, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
if you look at their orbits, all of their orbits are pointing off | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
in one direction, instead of being randomly distributed around the sky. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
So how tight is that alignment? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
The ones that we know for sure that are aligned are six objects. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
And they are aligned within about a 107-degree swath of the sky. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
-And that's what? -Something like this. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
OK, and it's not just the alignment in direction as well, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
the orbits have other things in common. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
So, first you see the alignment in direction. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Then you realise that these six very most distant objects are all | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
tilted in the same direction downward and a little bit to the side. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
They are within about seven degrees of being in the same | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
skewed plane of each other. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
And the combination of those two is what really shows | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
you that there is something strange going on. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
You could get the six of them lined up, just due to chance, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
it's about a 1% chance you would get it due to chance. 1%, you know, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
it's a small number, but it's not that small of a number. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
But if you take also the fact that they're tilted | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
like that, that's another approximately 1% chance. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
So it's about a 0.01% chance that this is all just randomly aligned. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
So is that what got your attention and got you working on the problem? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
That was the big clue that something is going on in the outer solar system. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
This was an extraordinary finding. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
The tight clustering of the six orbits might have been caused by the | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
gravitational influence of something massive in the outer solar system. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
For Mike Brown, the question now became, what was out there | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
and how could he find it? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
Working down the corridor from Mike is theoretical astronomer | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Konstantin Batygin. Mike and Konstantin have worked together for ages, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
and it always helps to have a friendly theorist on hand. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
And so Mike popped in to see if Konstantin could help with his problem. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
Konstantin's expertise is building computer models of planetary systems. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
-Hey, how's it going? -How are you? Yeah, nice to see you. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
'And so Mike challenged him to build a computer model of the solar system | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
'that would replicate the strange orbits of the six Kuiper belt objects.' | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
When you started looking into this problem of these strange | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
orbits, I know a planet wasn't the first thing you considered. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
-Indeed, yes. -What else could have caused this effect? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
We had a whole slew of explanations | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
that we decided to look into first. You know, so gravity of | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
the Kuiper belt, so the mass of the disc itself | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
holding itself together in a coherent fashion. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
All the bodies pulling on each other, essentially. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
That's right, to create almost a fluid-like effect. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
As it turns out, the Kuiper belt doesn't have enough material | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
for this to be relevant. If it was 1,000 times more massive, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
that model would have some pull. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
We looked into whether or not a passing star could perturb | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
the structures, leave this long tail of orbits that we are now | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
here to observe. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
Such encounters don't happen very often, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
and the alignment would go away over time, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
so this would have had to be recent. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
And there is no sign of a very nearby star that has just done this. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
That's right. So I think that's a very uncomfortable route to go. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
And so with all of that out the way, you start to think about planets. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
We were careful to ensure that we're not chasing a red herring here. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
That this data is indeed real, the alignment is not some observational bias, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
it's not...it can't be a coincidence. All of that. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Before going down the path of introducing additional | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
planets into the solar system. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
When he started adding planets to his models, Batygin experimented | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
with thousands of possible orbits - until he found one that | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
replicated the strange orbits of the six unusual Kuiper belt objects. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
Suppose the orbit of Neptune is about this big. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
-OK. -Most conventional Kuiper belt objects, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
Pluto included... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
..have orbits that | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
sort of hug the orbit of Neptune and are oriented every which way. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
But importantly, if you look at the whole Kuiper belt from afar, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
it looks like a more or less axisymmetric disc. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
This rule of thumb is broken when you look at the most distant orbits. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
So these are the famous, the now famous six? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
That's right. If you look at the now famous six, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
they all tend to swing out into the same overall direction. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
So your simulation's predicted a nice elongated, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
distant Planet Nine orbit. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Planet Nine has a sort of similar sized orbit, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
but it is facing the wrong way. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
You might as well draw the planet on. Go on. We haven't seen it yet, but just for satisfaction. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
The planet, I am pretty sure, is in this part of its orbit. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
-Cos otherwise we would have found it. -We would have found it. -Right. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
-So there's our planet. -There's our planet. It's fascinating. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
Most of the time, the objects are on opposite sides of the solar system. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
They are completely unaware of each other throughout most of their orbits. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
It is only when they come around at | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
-perihelion... -When they are closest to the sun. -When they are closest to the sun, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
they temporarily interact. And the mechanism, of course, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
is just gravitational interactions, and that's what maintains this lock step. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
So every time they come around, they get this kick? Or every two times... | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
No, it gets complicated. For some orbits, it's every | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
33 times of this orbit per 19 times of this orbit. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
But, fundamentally, it's not too different from tugging on something | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
repeatedly in a coherent way. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
Batygin's model had passed the first test. It had successfully | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
replicated the orbits of the famous six. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
But there was another, unexpected effect. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
The model also predicted a second set of Kuiper belt objects, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
with even stranger orbits. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Trouble was, they didn't seem to exist. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
The biggest twist to the whole story came when our | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
numerical models consistently would generate orbits | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
that looked more or less like this. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
-So sort of coming in and out of the blackboard here. -That's right. They are on their sides. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
They are perpendicular to the plane of the solar system. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
This is just so weird. You know, the fact that the simulation is producing these | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
orbits that should be perpendicular, they should be readily | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
observable. And the fact that we don't know of them is big trouble. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
So it's not just that they might be there. They have to be there. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
We initially thought of this as counter evidence to the existence of the planet. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Fine, it explains alignment, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
but it also predicts stuff that's clearly not there. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
This was the key moment where we looked at it and said, "This makes no sense." | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
But then I started looking more carefully at the other | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
objects in the dataset that I had not been paying much | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
attention to in the last couple of years. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
There are five of these objects on perpendicular orbits that I didn't... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
I remember when one of them was discovered a few years ago | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
and thinking, "That's just weird." Nobody had any explanation for them. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
And I said, "Konstantin, I'm going to go and plot these right now | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
"and we're going to see where they are. And if they're sitting at these two spots right here, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
"my head's going to explode." And we plotted them. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
One of them is right here, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
four of them are exactly right here where we predicted. And we both sat | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
there and stared at that, and I think my jaw hit the floor. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
It really was an honest, blind prediction of something we didn't know was there. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
And that...that... When I look at those object on those wings, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
and then I see those aligned objects, too, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
I...think I'm really pretty convinced | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
it's really out there. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
If Planet Nine does exist, it would be a remarkable discovery. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
The first new planet to be found in our solar system in 170 years. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
That isn't to say it was completely unexpected. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Because there are places we have found planets | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
that are similar to Planet Nine. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
I went to University College London to meet exoplanet expert | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
Professor Giovanna Tinetti. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Hello, Giovanna. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
Giovanna, if Planet Nine does exist, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
it seems to have some very exotic characteristics, compared with the rest of our solar system. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
In your work in exoplanets, have you seen anything similar to | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
these characteristics out there? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
We're talking about an object that is about tens times | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
the mass of the Earth. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
These king of objects are classified as super-Earths, which is | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
a very exotic name. The NASA Kepler satellite tells us | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
basically that these are among the most frequent objects in our galaxy. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
The fact that we didn't have any objects of this particular size was a bit puzzling, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
in a certain sense. But if Planet Nine does exist, then of course we are ticking the box | 0:15:10 | 0:15:16 | |
and we also have our own super-Earth. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
-So we had one missing, and now it looks as if we've got one. -Exactly, exactly. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
But Planet Nine, if it's out there, is a whopping 200 astronomical units | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
away from Earth - at its closest approach. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
So, that just seems an awful long way away. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Have you got examples of planets that far away from their sun? | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
Actually we do. And what you see now is | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
GU Psc b, which is located at 2,000 astronomical units from its star. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
So that's the further reaches of Planet Nine, potentially. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
-This is a real image, by the way. -I know. The fact you can actually take an image like this is amazing. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
-It's really very cool. -OK. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
So, we've looked at the size, we've looked at the distance | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
from its local star. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
But now it's also a very eccentric orbit. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
-And that seems quite exotic for our solar system. -It definitely is. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
Most of the planets in our own solar system are orbiting in orbits | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
which are almost circular. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
But actually, out there, we are seeing planets that are orbiting in extremely | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
elliptical orbits. And we have some examples, like | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
this planet that is called HD 80606b. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
And, as you can see from this picture, we have planets | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
out there that are orbiting in very elliptical, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
what we call eccentric, sort of orbits. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
So, if Planet Nine does exist, it is not as exotic as we perceive it to be. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
Because there are lots of other examples out there that are similar to the | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
-characteristics of Planet Nine. -You're right, Maggie, and if Planet Nine were proposed | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
and discovered before extra-solar planets were found, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
probably we would dismiss this case, saying, "This is way too eccentric, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
"this is way too odd. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
"We can't have a planet like this." | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
And the fact that, on the contrary, now we know that | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
planets like this can indeed exist is really making | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
the case for Planet Nine even more interesting. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
-Well, thank you very much, it's been fascinating speaking to you. -It was a pleasure. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
In theory, there is no reason why Planet Nine should not be out there. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
But there is only one way to prove its existence. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
And that is to directly observe the planet. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
Mike Brown took Chris to the famous Griffith Observatory to look | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
at the skies above LA and to point out | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
where he thinks Planet Nine is. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
OK, well, clear sky. Sort of. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
Where is it? Where is this planet? | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Well, we know its path across the sky, we know its orbit, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
so we know the path. And the path across the sky | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
goes from somewhere over here, up across here, right through the middle of Orion and | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
Taurus, and then down south across this way, and then of course all the way back around. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
We actually also know that around Orion and Taurus is where | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
it is the most distant from the sun. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
And we think that that is where it is. We think the places that are closer | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
to the sun, it would be too bright, we would have seen it already. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
OK. So, in some sense, you're already getting some observational | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
data on the star. You know where it isn't. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
And you know other things as well. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
The other thing that we would know is that if it is too big, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
if it is the size of Saturn or Jupiter, it would have been | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
detected by the WISE spacecraft a couple of years ago. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
They did a survey of the whole sky, looking for things that move, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
and we now know that there is nothing as big as Jupiter or Saturn | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
out to many, many times the distance of where we think Planet Nine is. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
So it has to be small, small meaning the size of Neptune | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
or maybe a little bit bigger. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
And it has to be pretty far away still, and somewhere off from here. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
And pretty faint. We're not talking amateur telescopes here to find this. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
No, in the end, it is going to take us | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
some time on the biggest telescopes in the world. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
But with the biggest telescopes in the world, it is well within | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
range, and we'll be able to find it. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
-It will be exciting. -Yes. -So, I know you're looking for it. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Lots of other people will as well, I'm sure they will now. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
Does it bother you who is going to find it? | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
I would love to find it myself. I would love to have that moment which | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
I've gotten to have before on these big objects in the Kuiper belt, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
like Eris, where you see it and for a moment you are the only person | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
in the history of humanity who has seen this object so far away. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
I would love that, I will not lie. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
At the same time, I want it to be found. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
And so if someone else finds it first | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
because they were searching hard for it and helping us out on the search, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
yes, I will feel, my heart will sink a little bit, but I think | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
that will be overcome by the fact I'm so excited it was found. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
-It's up there somewhere, probably. -Right there. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
One of the big questions about Planet Nine that we will have to | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
answer if people are to take the claims seriously is, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
how did it get to its current orbit? | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
To get to the bottom of that question, I've come to | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Queen Mary University of London to meet Professor Richard Nelson. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
Richard, what's the problem with the proposed orbit of Planet Nine? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
Well, it's very difficult to form a planet on an orbit like that. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
We believe, according to current models, that it would take | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
almost the age of the solar system itself to form | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
-a planet all that far out. -Because it has to accrete onto the body. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
That's right. The accretion process which brings small | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
agglomerations of material together and builds larger and larger objects, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
leading eventually to a planet all the way out there just takes far too | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
long because it's moving around very, very slowly and there's a very low density | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
-of material there as well. -So, if it didn't form out there, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
at the outer limits of the solar system, where did it form? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
Well, our best guess is that it probably formed among the existing giant | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
planets - Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. So, there | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
are theoretical models already which indicate that if you run | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
computer simulations of the early solar system and its evolution, and | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
you have a dynamical instability, having a fifth planet there actually | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
helps those models reproduce what we see in the solar system today. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
-So that fifth planet could be Planet Nine? -It could be Planet Nine, which is no longer | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
-there but orbiting further out. -So, what are we seeing here? | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
What we are seeing here is a computer model of the early stages of the solar system. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
But with five planets. So the white planet there is Planet Nine. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
The other planets are Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
-You'll see the planets are going around on circular orbit. -As you'd expect. -As you'd expect. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
They're all interacting, they're all perturbing one another. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
But Planet Nine, in this simulation, is a bit too close to Saturn when it starts. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
And at some point, we're going to see it have an encounter which gives it | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
quite a dramatic little kick, and you will see it change. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
-There it goes. -That's right, so you see that. And this keeps going, on and on. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
Jump forward, you can see the planet's orbit has expanded a lot, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
and there you have a very eccentric and a very inclined orbit. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Does that do it? Does this give us the orbit of Planet Nine? | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Unfortunately not, because Planet Nine has an orbit where the closest approach to the sun | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
is about 200 or 300 astronomical units away. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
So, as you will have seen here, Planet Nine keeps coming | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
back into the inner solar system | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
and continues to interact with the giant planets there. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
Eventually, one of those encounters will be strong enough to throw it out of the solar system. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
How can you stop it from pinging out into the galaxy? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
If Planet Nine is actually proven to be there, it's going to tell us | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
something very interesting and important about the origin of our solar system. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
So, what we've looked at so far is a solar system forming in isolation. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
But now let's imagine that the solar system formed within a star cluster. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
If we look out within the galaxy, we see that stars do tend to | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
form within groups and clusters of stars. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
If Planet Nine was thrown out onto one of these very eccentric orbits | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
while the star cluster was still there, then gravitational | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
perturbations from the star cluster could have caused Planet Nine to | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
change its orbit when it was its most distant position from the sun. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
So, I have a simulation which shows that here. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
When it goes out on this orbit this time round, it's not | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
going to come back in any more. There's going to be | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
an interaction with a nearby star that changes the shape of the orbit. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Woo! So, suddenly it expands outward | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
and stops going back into the inner solar system. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
So, that's what saves it from being ejected from the solar system. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
So, a lot of your model does seem to tie in with | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
the evidence we're seeing for Planet Nine. It can explain the huge orbit, the inclined | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
orbit and why it's still there and not out there in the galaxy. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
That's right. That's why I said at the beginning there, I think proving that | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Planet Nine is present within our solar system, with the orbit suggested, would also indicate | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
very strongly that our solar system didn't form in a lonely place, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
but was part of an earlier star cluster. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
-Pretty fantastic stuff. -Wonderful. -Thank you, it's been fascinating. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
A pleasure. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
And that leaves one final question. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
What sort of planet is Planet Nine? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
And what are the conditions like so far out in space? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
At the far reaches of its orbit, the sun would appear tiny. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
Just a point of light. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
But it would still be the brightest star in the sky. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Although the sun would be a million times dimmer than it is here | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
on Earth, it would be 1,200 times brighter than Venus appears to us. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:51 | |
That far from the sun is very cold. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Some estimates have suggested it could be below -250 Celsius. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
As for the qualities of the planet, we don't really know. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
The computer models suggest it should | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
be ten times more massive than Earth. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
But it could take different forms. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
One possibility is that Planet Nine could have been ejected | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
from the inner solar system early in its development, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
when it was just the core of a giant planet. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
This would make it predominantly rocky and icy. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
Now, with ten times the mass of Earth, it would be about twice | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
the diameter. And it would probably appear to be a dark, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
pinkish red in colour. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
But if the planet was ejected when it was more fully formed, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
then it would have a chance to build up the gassy layers, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
like Neptune and Uranus. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
Then it would be much less dense, and so bigger. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Maybe four times the diameter of Earth. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
It's thought the planet may have an atmosphere rich in hydrogen | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
and helium. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
In these cold temperatures, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
it's likely it will appear as a bland, featureless sphere. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
Unless the planet is still producing some internal heat, in which | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
case we may see structure in the atmosphere. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
Clouds of methane ice, ammonia and even water ice. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
It all seems so exciting, and yet despite the possibilities, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
so far Planet Nine is no more than a prediction in a computer model. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
And they have been proven wrong before. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
So, very unscientific question. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
But the one that keeps coming up. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
How sure are you that this exists? | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Oh, one quadrillion percent. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:25:43 | 0:25:44 | |
-You've got an unscientific question, but a scientific answer. -CHRIS LAUGHS | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
-Right back at you. -But as a theory, you believe your models? | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
Actually, we try very hard not to believe our models. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
But look, if this thing is not out there, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
if the search comes up empty, then the outer solar system | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
has some really, really substantial explaining to do. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
And you've ruled out the other explanations, right? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
At least for me, it's difficult at this point to argue for a | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
solar system that makes sense without Planet Nine. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
Mike, what about you? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
So, I'm slightly lower than a quadrillion percent. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
The human brain is really good at seeing patterns. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
When I can't sleep at night, it's because I am worried | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
that we saw a pattern and made up an explanation. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
And then as more observations... | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
come in, the pattern disappears. I don't think it's going to happen, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
I'm actually very convinced. But that doesn't mean I sleep all through the night. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
I sleep all through the night. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
I am really eager to see it, to confirm it, to learn what it is like, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
to see if it has moons and rings. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
I just want to know all these things. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
And do you have any sense of what that will feel like? | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
-You know, I bought a cigar... -CHRIS LAUGHS | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
..about a year and a half ago and it's still sitting in my desk. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
You know, every time something dramatic happens, I always forget to smoke it. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
So maybe I won't forget...that time. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
I'm going to go and buy a good bottle of champagne, and I'm going to put | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
it in my office, put it in the fridge in my office, so keep it | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
cold. And when it happens, we're just going to drink it right then. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
And between now and the cigars and champagne, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
while we are waiting for the discovery, what are you two working on next? | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
We are looking for the planet, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
but we are also looking for more of these objects that are aligned | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
or perpendicular, that aren't aligned or perpendicular, to prove | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
ourselves wrong. If anyone is going to prove us wrong, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
we would rather do it ourselves than to have someone else do it. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
We are trying very hard to prove ourselves wrong. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
-It's an exciting time. -It is. Let's hope it gets more exciting. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
-Thanks a lot. -Thank you. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Today's been incredibly exciting. The team's belief in Planet Nine is contagious. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
And I've become increasingly convinced that it really is out there | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
somewhere in the outer wastes of the solar system. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
I'm sure I'm not the only one. There will be teams | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
and telescopes from across the world racing to be the first to see it. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
And if it's found, when it's found, it will be THE astronomical | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
discovery of the century. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
That's it for this programme. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
Don't forget, check out February's star guide on the website. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
Next month, we'll be looking at the top five photographs | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
of the solar system ever taken. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
But in the meantime, get outside and...get looking up. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 |