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This is Herstmonceux Castle, home of the Royal Greenwich Observatory | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
and the headquarters of British astronomy. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
So this is a fitting place to begin our programme | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
about the most momentous quarter-century in the whole history of astronomy. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
In 1957, when we began The Sky At Night programmes, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
the move from old Greenwich to Herstmonceux was barely completed. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
The great radio telescope at Jodrell Bank was only just coming into operation. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
But the most significant event of 1957 | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
was the opening of the space age, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
when Russia launched the first artificial satellite, Sputnik 1. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:55 | |
The Russians had taken the lead but the Americans weren't far behind. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Five, four, three, two, one, zero. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:05 | |
All engines running. Lift-off! | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
We have a lift-off! 32 minutes past the hour. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
Lift-off on Apollo 11. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
Apollo 11. And in July 1969, Neil Armstrong became the first man on the moon. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:22 | |
OK, I'm going to step off the LEM now. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
He stepped out onto the bleak rocks of the sea of tranquillity. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
That's one small step for man... | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
..one giant leap for mankind. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
By the time of Apollo 17, Commander Eugene Cernan was driving over the moon. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:44 | |
His memory of that trip is as vivid as ever. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
For instance, what about navigation on the moon surface? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
We studied, due to a great deal of your work, of course, on the mapping of the moon, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:57 | |
we studied the area we were going to land so well, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
that I really believe I knew it, at least from the air, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
from above, as well as I know my own backyard. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
However, when you do get down among the rocks and you do get down among the mountains, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
eh, you do have to re-familiarise yourself | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
because things now start to look different. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
And navigation itself didn't bother us. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
But there's no trees, there's no roads, there's no houses, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
there's no telephone poles. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
So depth perception at distance is very difficult. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
You would look at something and instead of being a kilometre away, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
it might be ten kilometres away. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
You had no way to tell how far you were going or how far you had come. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
We knew the size of the Lunar Module. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
So we could always look back and see it and realise it was getting very small. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
But many times we went around the corner and over the mountain | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
and then we were out of sight of the Lunar Module. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
So far, you're the last man on the moon. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
When do you think the next men will go there? Can you give any estimate? | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
When there is a purpose, when there is reason, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
when there is motivation to go back to the moon, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
to use it as a base to further explore the Solar System | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
or whatever, we will go back. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Until that motivation comes from some source, it may be a long time. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
I believe we will go to Mars too. Again we'll need motivation. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
When the Viking spacecraft landed on Mars | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
and the television camera scanned the surface, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
if there was a little green man with long ears looking back, that would have been motivation. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
We would have been on our way to Mars today | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
if that kind of motivation occurred. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
It could be motivation from within or from without. Yeah. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
We'll go back to the moon. When, I just can't tell you. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
But there'll be someone who will follow our steps to the moon. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Manned flight is only one facet of the space programme. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
Unmanned probes to the planets | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
have produced some of the most unexpected results. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
The control centre is the Jet Propulsion Laboratory | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
here at Pasadena in California. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
This is one of the most dramatic places in the world, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
even though it may not look it. It's the DSN or Deep Space Network. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
It's here that we receive information from probes so far away, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
that they make the moon look very parochial. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
And it's here that we receive those incredible pictures of the volcanoes of Io, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
the icy craters of Dione and the complicated rings of Saturn. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
Marvels that only the space probes can show us. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
The DSN is manned 24 hours per day and has been for a great many years. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
Remember, the first successful planetary probe, Mariner 2, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
by-passed Venus as long ago as 1962. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
3571. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Item one, NA, item two, command mode off. 0235. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
It was here that the most dramatic of all space pictures were received. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
The Voyager probes recorded the quick spin of the great red spot on Jupiter. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
now known to be a whirling storm. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
There were the satellites of Jupiter. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Callisto, with its icy cratered surface, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
and Io, with its red surface, sulphur volcanoes and crusted lava lakes. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
There may be a sea of liquid sulphur underneath. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Io, we discovered, is just about the most lethal world in the solar system, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
because it moves right inside Jupiter's deadly radiation zone. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
And beyond Jupiter, the Voyagers by-passed Saturn, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
showing the glorious rings which turned out to be grooved, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
for reasons still not properly understood. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
Then there is Titan, Saturn's largest satellite, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
with its thick nitrogen atmosphere, covering perhaps oceans of methane. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
And the icy satellites - look at Mimas, with one huge crater | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
reminding one of the Death Star in the film Star Wars. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
We also send probes to study the inner solar system. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Mariner 2 was the first probe to Venus. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
Then Mariner 10 went past Venus to Mercury. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
It recorded barren craters like those of the moon. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
But Venus, so like the Earth in size and mass, is a curious world. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
All we can see from above is the top of a cloud layer. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
The orbiting Pioneer probe maps Venus by radar, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
showing active volcanoes. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
The surface temperature is 900F. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Venus may once have supported life but it certainly can't do so now. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
The Russian probes, Veneras 13 and 14, landed there in March 1982, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
sending back pictures of a very gloomy scene under an orange sky. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
On Mars, at least, there still seemed a chance of life. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
Unmanned probes such as Mariner 9 in 1971, showed craters, | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
valleys and huge volcanoes. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Mount Olympus rises for 15 miles, three times as high as Everest. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
Then came the two Vikings, which made controlled landings. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
They sent back pictures of a red rock-strewn landscape. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
Material was scooped up and analysed. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
But to the regret of most astronomers, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
the results showed no positive sign of life. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
The story of Mars is linked intimately | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
with that of the Lowell Observatory. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
In fact, the road up to the observatory is called Mars Hill. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
The observatory was established in 1896 | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
by one of astronomy's great characters, Percival Lowell, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
because he thought, correctly, that seeing conditions here would be excellent. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Um, despite the weather at the present moment. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
Lowell equipped his observatory with a 24-inch refracting telescope. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
It's an impressive instrument and still used for planetary research. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
One man who uses it regularly is Dr Charles Capen. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
It really is a superb instrument, and of very high quality, is it not? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Eh, yes, it is. It's one of the finest | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
optical instruments in use in America today. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
And of course, being a refractor, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
it's well designed for planetary research. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
It gets good high contrast and we can use very high powers | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
with the telescope, which gives us large planetary images. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
And, of course, then you have to have quality optics when you have high power. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
I remember, it was Wednesday, February 24, 1980, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
when you and I were observing together with this telescope, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
-we discovered something rather interesting. -Oh, yes. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
That was a very exciting night. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
In fact, I think it was a couple of nights that we were out observing. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
We saw the north cap of Mars split in two. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
And this is something that doesn't occur very frequently on Mars. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:57 | |
In fact, I have looked for nearly 20 years and never seen it there. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
Then all of a sudden, you and I were observing, there it appeared there one evening. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
-I remember that very well. We made drawings and compared them. They were pretty well identical. -Yes. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
The photographs I took that evening also showed this rift in the cap. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
The Lowell refractor is ideal for studying the planets which are nearby and bright. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
But for more distant objects, you need to collect as much light as possible. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:32 | |
The Mount Wilson hundred inch reflector, completed in 1917, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
has about four times the diameter but collects 16 times as much light. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
And in the 1930s, a 200-inch mirror, with a far greater light grasp, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
was planned for nearby Palomar. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
The problems of handling glass for a 14.5 ton mirror were formidable. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
After a good many trials and tribulations, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
the mirror was eventually cast. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
It took months to cool, and many months more to grind the mirror to the correct curve. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
Inaugurated in 1948, the 200-inch at Palomar | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
is still the biggest optical telescope successfully operating to this day. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Admittedly, the Russians have built an even bigger one, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
but they haven't really solved all the problems | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
about making a telescope as large as this. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
Further work is being done on it. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
Perhaps the way ahead lies with this, the multiple mirror telescope | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
on Mount Hopkins in Arizona, built in 1979. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
It has not one but six primary mirrors, each 72 inches in diameter, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
working together, equal in light grasp to a 176-inch mirror. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:51 | |
You may ask, "Why build a telescope as complicated as this?" | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
Well, there are two main reasons. First, making six 72-inch mirrors | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
is a great deal easier than making a single 176-inch mirror. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
And secondly, there's the question of cost. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
The MMT has cost only about one third the price | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
of our equivalent telescope with comparable aperture. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
If you think that the MMT looks unlike a telescope, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
then what about this one? It's the solar telescope | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
at Kit Peak, also in Arizona. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
The main body of the telescope doesn't have to move. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
The sun's light is reflected down the length of a tunnel | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
and halfway back up again to produce an image in the laboratory. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
This is the tallest solar telescope in the world as well as the biggest. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
The heliostat, the top mirror, is 80 inches across - that's large by any standards. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
The function of the heliostat is to direct the sunlight down the tunnel. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
And it's a long, long way. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
Now I'm inside the main tunnel, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
travelling down in a kind of a cable car, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
which, believe me, is a lot easier than using the 100 or more steps. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
You may ask why this telescope has to be so large. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
The main reason is the observers want a really big solar image. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
And for this they want a large aperture and a long focal length. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
And of course, if they put the tunnel straight up into the air, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
it would be even higher than it is and more difficult to handle. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
So this is really the best design. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
This is halfway house. Remember what's happened. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
The sunlight has struck the big mirror at the top of the tunnel | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
and is reflected onto the mirror at the bottom of the tunnel. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
It's then sent back up the tunnel, onto this mirror, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
which is absolutely flat. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
And that directs the sunlight down, again in a constant direction, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
through a hole in the floor, into the laboratory below | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
where the main analysis is done. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
The sun is only 93 million miles away. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
And you might imagine that by now we had learned all about it. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
I can assure you, we haven't. We have found out a great deal. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
We know the sun produces its energy | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
by what are known as nuclear reactions. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
Hydrogen is being converted into helium. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
The sun is radiating and losing mass at 400 million tonnes a second. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
The central temperature is of the order of 14 million degrees. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
Ever since the early 17th century, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
we've studied the dark patches, or sunspots. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
But recently, it's become clear that our knowledge of the sun | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
is very far from complete. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
The latest discoveries have thrown new light on the nature of our nearest star. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
And to make these discoveries, solar astronomers now set up | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
their experiments in the most unlikely places. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
This is the strangest of them all. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Homestake Mine near Deadwood Gultch in South Dakota, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
land of the gunslingers of a century ago, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
Wild Bill Hickok, Calamity Jane, Dr Holliday and the rest. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
Gold has been mined here ever since 1877. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
But gold isn't what the astronomers are after. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
One mile underground, the mine provides a convenient hole | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
for the astronomers to set up their observatory. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
But it's not the sun's light they're after, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
but some elusive solar particles. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
It seems a curious place to study the sun. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Just why are you hiding so far underground? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Well, we are trying to observe neutrinos. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
They produce a very small signal. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
And cosmic rays and many other nuclear particles | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
produce the same signal we're looking for. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
So we have to come way underground and screen ourselves from cosmic rays. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
Do you get any cosmic rays down here? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Yeah, there are a few. The number of cosmic rays | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
passing through a square metre is kind of one every, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
every...oh, quarter of the day, something like that. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
Which is not very much. A neutrino, with no mass and no charge, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
is very difficult to detect. How do you trap it? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
Well, a neutrino is very penetrating and it goes right through the Earth. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
And we try to trap it in chlorine. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
It's captured by chlorine atom to produce radioactive argon atom. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
And we try to observe these few radioactive argon atoms produced. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
And you have your chlorine in a large tank of cleaning fluid? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
Yes. We have a very large tank. It holds 100,000 gallons | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
of a chemical compound called perchlorethylene. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
It's a common dry-cleaning solvent. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
So we have 100,000 gallons of that as a detector. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
And what do the neutrinos do to it? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
Well, they convert a chlorine atom into a radioactive argon atom. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
So in that tank it produces one of these atoms every two days. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:35 | |
And we have to remove that and observe its radioactivity. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
By noting the numbers of these particular atoms produced, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
-you know how many neutrinos have hit? -That's right, exactly. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
What are the results to date? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
The results to date are that we are observing too few neutrinos. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
Roughly a factor of four below theoretical expectation. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
-Why is that? -Well, we don't know. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
We've known for about 10 years that we're seeing a low signal | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
and there have been many explanations suggested. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
Essentially, you can say that the central regions of the Sun | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
are probably not as hot as we think they are. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Ray, why is this experiment so important? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Because the Sun is the closest star to us | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
and we know a lot about the Sun. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
And to try to satisfactorily understand how the Sun operates, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
how it generates energy, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
that tells us about the life and death of all stars. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Neutrinos may be difficult to catch but so, of course, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
is the light from the faintest | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
and most distant stars and star systems. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
Astronomers need to make the most of what little light there is. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
An electronic device to help them do just that | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
was developed by a team led by Professor Alec Boksenberg, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
now director of the Royal Greenwich Observatory | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
at Herstmonceux in Sussex. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
Well, very basically, the idea is to look at single photons | 0:16:55 | 0:17:01 | |
which are the particles of light, of which light is made up. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
One can't be more sensitive than that | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
and the way it does it | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
is first to intensify or amplify | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
the very faint image that we get in astronomy | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
by a very large factor - something like 10 or maybe 100 million. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
And when you do that, you find the single photons, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
which you normally can't appreciate when one looks at something by eye, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
but they show up as splashes of light, independent splashes of light. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
And the detector observes each splash of light | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
with a television camera and then this is fed into a computer | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
and gradually the very faint image builds up in the computer and | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
we can see it on a television screen, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
just as if it were a photograph, in the end. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
Of course, it might take hours or even days to build this picture up. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
Even with the help of electronics, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
optical experiments need clear skies. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
La Palma in the Canary Islands is ideal and has been chosen by | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
Britain and other European countries as a site for a new observatory. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
The INT, or Isaac Newton Telescope, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
has already been moved here from Herstmonceux. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
And here's the new dome with the INT, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
almost at the highest point of La Palma at over 7,000 feet, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
with most of the clouds below us. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
As an observing site, it's superb | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
and incidentally, scenically magnificent. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Inside the dome is the INT itself, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
expected to be fully operational by mid-1983. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It won't be the only British telescope at La Palma. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Work has already started on the site for a new one-metre telescope | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
due for compilation late in 1983. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
And there are plans for another, twice the size of the INT. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
The 4.2 metre William Herschel Telescope will be one of the largest | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
in the world and will provide British astronomers | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
with great opportunities. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
The project scientist at La Palma is Dr Paul Murdin. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
The main research is going to be research which exploits | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
the fantastic site that we're standing at. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
This site is very dark, very clear, it has very good seeing | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
and it will see very, very faint things very far away. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I think the main thrust of the work | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
which will be done by British astronomers at the site - | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
particularly with the 4.2 metre telescope - will be cosmological. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
We will penetrate further and further in look-back | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
to the start of the universe and penetrate cosmological problems. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
Well, with a very large telescope here under pretty ideal conditions, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
I think we may expect some fairly spectacular advances. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
I'm sure that's true. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
You can't possibly be an astronomer now with a telescope | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
like this at a site like this and not make fantastic discoveries. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
Splendid though La Palma is, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
it can hardly rival the magnificence of Hawaii. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Here, we have the extinct volcano of Mauna Kea | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
rising to nearly 14,000 feet above sea level. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
The air is thin and you have to be very careful | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
not to move around too quickly. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
But here, above 40% of the Earth's atmosphere, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
seeing conditions are superb | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
and four major telescopes have been set up. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
There's the 150-inch UKIRT, United Kingdom Infrared Telescope. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:19 | |
Then there's the 88-inch reflector | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
operated by the University of Hawaii. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Then the giant 144 inch Canada France Hawaii, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
or CFH Telescope. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:29 | |
And there's also a 120 inch infrared telescope operated by NASA. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
It's an impressive array | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
and yet one can hardly say that the site is accessible. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
For one thing, it's a long, rough ride from Hilo, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
the largest town on the island and also it's very, very high. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
You have to stop for a while to acclimatise at the halfway house, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Hale Pohaku, before starting the final half-hour drive | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
up the very steep, rough track to the summit. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Astronomers come here from all over the world and every time | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
they use the telescope they have to make this trek as it's considered | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
dangerous to sleep at 14,000 feet where the air is so thin. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
But this makes the site ideal for infrared studies | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and much of the research here is devoted to it. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
TRUNDLING | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Dr Dale Cruickshank has been using the 88 inch | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
University of Hawaii Telescope | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
for his own infrared studies of the solar system. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
That's right. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
My colleagues and I have been using this telescope from its vantage point | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
high in the sky to explore the solar system | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
both outward from the Sun and in toward the Sun. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
What are the main results so far? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
We've found exciting things about volcanoes on Io, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
the most interesting satellite of Jupiter. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
We've found that asteroids are an enormous range of objects | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
in terms of their surface compositions and a wide variety | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
of other things about the small and large objects in our neighbourhood. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
Dale, what do you see as the future of infrared astronomy | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
in the solar system? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
From vantage points such as this there's a tremendous amount | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
we can do over the next decades. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Using the preliminary results given to us by spacecraft, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
we now can explore what's going on in the solar system in great detail | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
and we look forward to an enormous range of exciting topics | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
and discoveries over the next many years to come. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Lastly, you've been using the 88 inch, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
are you going to use the UKIRT for this kind of research? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
Oh, yes. The UKIRT Telescope is a superb instrument for work | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
in the kind of area that I study and I'm confident that it will | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
continue to give me exciting results. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
What's so special about the UKIRT? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
It's turned out to be just as good as an ordinary telescope | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
but because it was built for work in the infrared, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
the mirror didn't have to be so rigid | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
and the optical design was less critical. Alan Pickup explains. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
Well, the principal difference is that the mirror is | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
a lightweight mirror. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:51 | |
A telescope of this aperture - 3.8 metres - | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
would normally have a mirror of about 15 tonnes weight. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
UKIRT's mirror is only 6.5 tonnes | 0:22:57 | 0:22:58 | |
and this makes the whole structure of the telescope much lighter and cheaper to build. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
There's a wonderful system known as chopping, can you tell us a bit about that? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
Yes, we like to separate out the infrared signal | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
from the star from the infrared signal of the sky. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Of course the sky is giving out infrared waves | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
as well as a star or galaxy, whatever we're looking at. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
So we do this by looking at two small adjacent small areas of sky. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
In one of these areas of sky we place the star | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
and the nearby area of sky, we just have the sky. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
By subtracting the two signals we receive from each of these areas, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
we can examine just the signal from the star | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
and we do this by tilting the small secondary mirror | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
of the telescope at the top. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
By tilting this we can effectively alter the pointing direction | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
of the main telescope about 10 times every second. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
And this enables us to do this chopping | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
between one position and another. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
But Hawaii is still north of the equator. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
We need major observatories in the southern hemisphere as well. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
This is a peaceful place in the Warrumbungle Mountains | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
in the heart of New South Wales. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
It's a timeless place where kangaroos and koalas roam at night | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
and it seems hardly to have altered since these volcanoes | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
were finally quietened 13 million years ago. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
But this is Siding Spring Mountain, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
the home of one of the most sophisticated pieces | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
of modern engineering. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
This is the dome of the Anglo-Australian Telescope, or AAT. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
It dominates the scene. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
It's 150 feet high, and it and the telescope weigh over 7,000 tonnes. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
Fortunately, it's built on firm foundations. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
These ancient volcanoes are very solid indeed. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
One is used to thinking of observatories | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
perched on the tops of mountains. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
Well, there are no really high mountains in Australia | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
but Siding Spring at well over 4,000 feet is quite lofty | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
and conditions here are good. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
The decision to site a major telescope here was made in the | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
1960s but it wasn't until 1975 that the AAT came into full operation. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
The mirror is 153 inches across and is generally regarded | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
as the finest ever made. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
The telescope itself is fairly conventional | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
but it has one of the most sophisticated control rooms. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
Very nice. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:09 | |
Using the most up-to-date techniques, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
the telescope can be guided from here. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
The observer seldom needs to go near the actual telescope at all. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
Most observations are made electronically | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
and the results displayed and analysed in complete comfort. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
It's true that during the last ten years, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
astronomy has gone through an electronic revolution. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
Just as, long ago, the photographic plates replaced the human eye | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
for most branches of research, so the plate is itself being | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
superseded by electronic detectors for most purposes - | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
but not all. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
There are some branches of research in which photography | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
still reigns supreme and probably always will. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
And for photographic work, the AAT is ideal. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
One man who's taken full advantage of this, and has developed new | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
techniques which are proving to be of immense value, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
is David Malin. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
David, how does photographing with the AAT | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
differ from photographing with an ordinary telescope? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
Oh, in several ways. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
I think the best thing I can do is to demonstrate first of all | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
the size of the photographic plate we have to use. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
This is a typical plate used on the AAT, 10 inches square, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
much larger than any other normal format. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
The second major difference is the fact that our exposure times | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
are extremely long - typically 60 minutes, sometimes longer. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Can astronomical photography | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
still produce really valuable scientific results? | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Oh, yes. It's still very important. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
You've mentioned previously the electronic revolution which | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
has come to pass in astronomy in the last 10 years but photography | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
is still absolutely vital for many branches of astronomy. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
Mainly because we get an enormous area of information in one exposure. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
-What about colour photography? -Well, colour photography can be done. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Colour film used to be used some years ago | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
but now we've found that taking three black-and-white plates | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
through colour separation filters is the way ahead | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
and we're able to make colour pictures | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
of extremely faint objects that way. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
David, these are magnificent colour pictures. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
Let's begin with the Orion Nebula. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Yes, it forms the very famous shape of the horsehead | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
which is a dark cloud of gas...dust, rather, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
spreading into the bright nebulosity of the horsehead itself. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
These colours are really striking. Are they genuine colours? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
They are representative colours, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
I think, is the best way to describe them. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
We've taken considerable pains to balance the three colours - | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
the red, green and blue - in the photographs | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
but these objects are emission line objects, they're not | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
like objects that you normally photograph with your everyday camera. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
They are composed of discrete lines of emission | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
and to balance photographs with line of emission is very difficult | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
but we think we're well on the way towards doing that. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
I ask as so many people think, having seen these pictures, you can look through the telescope | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
and see the colours but of course you can't. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Unfortunately that's not true. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
Even with a large telescope, the light levels are so low that the | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
eye is working in its mode where it doesn't record any colour at all. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
And here we have a very delicate one, the Filamentary Nebula | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
-which contains the Vela pulsar, a supernova remnant. -Yes. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
This is an extremely low surface-brightness, very faint object, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
never been recorded in colour before and it's the remnant | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
of the Vela supernova which exploded...well, some 10,000 years ago. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
And now going out beyond our own Milky Way, we come to | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
the spiral galaxies and that is a magnificent picture | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
of a spiral galaxy. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
If we could get outside our own galaxy and look back into it, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
that's pretty much what you might expect to see. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
An object with old, mature yellow stars in the middle, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
bluish spiral arms and along the spiral arms | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
dotted are the red H2 regions, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
like Orion, that you can see along the spiral arms here. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
And now we come to this very interesting point, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
of rings round elliptical galaxies and I gather these have been | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
discovered by you using your new techniques? | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
Yes, this picture was taken with the UK Schmidt | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
but the plates were massaged by techniques I've developed here | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
and in doing so you are able to see some very faint shells. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
Here is one such. We call them shells because of their luminosity profile. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
Shells around these apparently quite normal galaxies | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
and the existence of these is rather puzzling | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
but we're working on it to find out exactly what they are | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
and to come up with some kind of model | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
which would explain their existence. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
That, I think, gives one very striking demonstration, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
that photography - and I mean photography, not electronics - | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
is still very much a major force in modern astronomy. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
It's still very important. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
We've heard previously that electronics | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
is taking over from photography | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
but in fact the two techniques are complimentary. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Photography is still capable of making significant new discoveries | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
and it does so regularly, especially with the fine plates | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
taken on this telescope and on the UK Schmidt. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
I don't think anyone will doubt that these photographs are the best | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
deep-sky pictures ever obtained but today photography | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
and electronics are complementary. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
Dr David Allen has been at Siding Spring for seven years | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
and he knows every aspect of the AAT. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
-Of course, with this telescope, you did identify the Vela pulsar. -Mm. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
Which I believe is the faintest single object ever recorded, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
-am I right? -It's the faintest star ever studied. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
This is one of the things that the radio astronomers find, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
going "bleep-bleep-bleep" every 11 times a second, I think. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
And previously, only the Crab Nebula, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
the pulsar inside the Crab Nebula was known to flash in the visible | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
whereas there are hundreds of these things | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
flashing around in the radio sky. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
People thought they ought to have a look for more optical ones | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
and it was apparent that they needed to be young. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
So the youngest was the Vela | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
which is only accessible in the southern hemisphere. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
It's a few years now since the measurement was made | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
but we managed to detect it. We saw the thing flashing on and off. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
In fact, it flashes slightly differently in the optical | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
than it does in the radio. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
It's telling us something about how pulsars work. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
It seems to say that as they get older, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
the light they put out is falling very fast. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
In fact, so fast that I suspect if we'd been a century or two | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
later in looking for this thing, we wouldn't have seen it. It would've faded out completely. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
Optical astronomy has developed in a way that was quite | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
unforeseen 25 years ago when The Sky At Night started. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Another branch of astronomy in its infancy then | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
needs a very different kind of telescope - radio astronomy. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
And this is the world's most famous radio telescope, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
the 250 foot dish at Jodrell Bank in Cheshire. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
It's a colossal structure, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
capable of picking up radio waves from objects so remote | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
that their signals take thousands of millions of years to reach us. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
And it's not only the world's most famous radio telescope, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
it was also the first really large instrument of its kind. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
It was set up because of the skill | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
and persistence of one man, Professor Sir Bernard Lovell. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
There were plenty of problems to the overcome, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
not all of them scientific. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
But we still had to find the money. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
I mean, by that time the bill for the telescope, for which | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
I had only got a third of a million, had gone up to £680,000. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
We collected £100,000 fairly quickly | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
and then we were stuck for the remaining 50 or 60 thousand pounds. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:21 | |
By this time, it was 1960 | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
and we were part of the ground network of the American space effort. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:30 | |
We had come to this arrangement with great secrecy | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
with what was then the United States Air Force. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
And Pioneer 5, the first series of Pioneer 5s, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
we had the job of actually, not tracking it, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
but actually commanding it from this telescope. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
We sent out transmitted signals which, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
about 20 minutes after it was launched from Cape Kennedy, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
we released the space probe from its carrier rocket. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
And of course this was all over the newspapers, front-page news. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
The next day, the telephone rang and at the other end, a man said, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:12 | |
"Is that Lovell?" "Yes." | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
"My name is Kingerlee. I'm Lord Nuffield's secretary. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
"His Lordship wishes to speak to you." | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
So Lord Nuffield came on the phone. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
"Is that Lovell?" "Yes, my Lord." | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
How much money for that telescope of yours?" | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
I said, "About 50,000." | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
"Is that all? I'll send you a cheque." | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
So that was a relief. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
After the strange and incredibly powerful quasars, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
or QSOs were identified in 1963, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
they were intensively studied from Jodrell Bank. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Sir Bernard retired as director at the end of October 1981 - | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
the end of an era. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
But he's been succeeded by another great radio astronomer - | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
Prof. Graham Smith. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Graham, what about the Quasars? What are the latest developments? | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
I think that's the main bulk of work here. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
You know that the telescope's used in collaboration with others | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
to produce maps of quasars. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:09 | |
This is the most exciting thing | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
because we can produce very accurate maps. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
We find that quasars have got a very complicated structure. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
There are some very strange physical things going on there. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
They are storehouses of energy | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
and they are producing radiation at a fantastic rate | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
in little hotspots at the centres and far out from the centre. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
What do you think a quasar is? | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
It's got a certain powerhouse in the centre which we don't understand. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
Probably a black hole but everybody says probably a black hole | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
because they don't know where the energy's coming from. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
It could be a rotating black hole. That's the most likely theory. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
Quasars weren't actually discovered here. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
In fact, the first positive quasar identification | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
came from the Parkes Radio Astronomy Observatory in New South Wales. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
It was an object which was known to be a radio source - | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
that is a source of radio radiation - | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
to be an extremely small source. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
It had very little size and the identification was made by using the moon. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:14 | |
As the moon slowly passed across the source, the radiation was cut off | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
and, by knowing the precise time at which the moon | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
cut across the object, we were able to get an accurate position. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
This led, on a comparison with an optical plate, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
to a identification with this object - 3C273 - the first quasar. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
When 3C273 was examined optically, I think it was in Panama, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
astronomers there had a considerable shock. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
Oh, a very considerable shock. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
The spectrum was unlike that of any known star and, at that time, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
it was thought that the objects were stars. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
In fact, they were called radio stars. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:49 | |
We now know that they were like no known stars. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
They were objects way across the universe. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
In fact, near the distant edges of the universe. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
We're used to talking about redshifts in optical terms | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
but you can so the same thing with a radio telescope. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
Are we certain that these redshifts really do indicate these | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
-immense consistencies? -90% of people think so. -What do you think? -No. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:12 | |
I think... Let me put it this way. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
On Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
I think they are indicative of distance, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
but perhaps on Thursday and Friday, they're not. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
There is, I think, a growing body of evidence that favours | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
the fact that the redshifts are not cosmological. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
That is that they indicate enormous distances for the QSOs. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
A particularly exciting bit of work done in the States | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
was on the object I referred to at the beginning - 3C273. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
When it was shown that two radio sources in 3C273 | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
are moving apart at a very high speed. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
In fact, if 3C273 is at the distance we really thing it's at, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
as determined by the redshift, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
then these objects are moving apart at ten times the speed of light. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
-That's surely impossible. -That is impossible on conventional physics. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
And if 3C273 is at its correct distance and if there's nothing | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
wrong with the radio observations, one of those three things is wrong. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
I would very much like to know which it is. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Prof Sir Fred Hoyle has no doubts at all. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
I don't belief that the redshifts are indicative of their distance. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
I think that's nonsense. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:24 | |
There's overwhelming evidence to show that it's nonsense. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
-What evidence is there? -There's far too many quasars found in clusters. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:34 | |
There are also cases known of triplets of quasars | 0:37:34 | 0:37:41 | |
which are in line with each other - the three of a triplet - | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
to within the accuracy that one can determine by measurements | 0:37:44 | 0:37:50 | |
on the base telescopes, which is well within a second of arc | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
and such geometrical arrangements, they're not entirely impossible | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
but they're exceedingly unlikely. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
I think this notion that quasar redshifts | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
are indicative of cosmological distances is just wrong. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
It's obviously wrong. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
In your view, how far away are the quasars? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
I don't know how far away they are. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
I think they're comparatively close | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
and I think they are huge aggregations of mass. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
-In our galaxy or beyond? -Oh, beyond. Beyond. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Maybe 100 million light years. That sort of distance. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
-How does Prof Graham Smith view this argument? -That's dying down. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
That's come and gone in this 25 years. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
I don't think there's much fight left in it. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
They are indeed distant objects. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
They are objects which are giving us | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
information about the history of the universe as well as about themselves. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
When you say distant objects, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
-do you mean thousands of millions of light years? -Oh, yes. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
The most distant objects available in the universe are these quasars | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
and the radio galaxies. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
So we have two completely opposite theories, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
each supported by eminent astronomers. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Quasars have certainly caused arguments. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
But during a quasar research programme at Cambridge, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
using a peculiar-lookig aerial array covering over four acres, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
a team, led by Prof Antony Hewish, made an unexpected discovery, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
more or less by accident. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
We were making observations of quasars and watching them | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
as clouds of gas blew from the sun across the quasar. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
This gives you a flickering signal | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
we can use to measure | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
the sizes of these objects and that's an important measurement. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
The telescope was designed to see this effect - | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
plasma clouds passing quasar sources. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
When the pulsar came, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
we obtained the flickering signal which looked like this effect. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
Normally one only sees this during the hours of daylight | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
because the line of sight is reasonably close to the sun. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
We were making a routine survey | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
and the records were being analysed by Jocelyn Bell | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
and she saw a signal which we first thought was the fluctuation | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
we were looking for but it happened at the wrong time of day. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
We looked at every inch of the record and she found this thing | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
in the middle of the night instead of the middle of the day | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
and she pointed my attention to it and we decided that, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
since we were doing repeated measurements, it would come up again | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
if it was a genuine signal and that's how we got onto it. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
It came up once in while and so we made a detailed investigation | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
and found these regular pulses, much to everyone's astonishment. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
What did you think it was? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:33 | |
I thought to begin with it was probably radio interference. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
It looked so totally artificial | 0:40:36 | 0:40:37 | |
but the detailed follow-up work showed that it couldn't be that. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
It was coming from a particular point in the sky that | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
maintained its position quite accurately. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
That pointed us to a celestial source, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
a genuine astronomical phenomenon. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:50 | |
-This was the first pulsar, in fact. -The very first pulsar. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
A very recent discovery has been the first pulsar | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
beyond our galaxy in the Large Magellanic Cloud | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
more than 150,000 light years away. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
That discovery couldn't be made from Cambridge | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
because the cloud is too far south in the sky. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
It was made from Parkes by Dr Jon Ables. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
You understand that pulsars are galactic objects. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
They are the result of the death of certain kinds of stars. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
The big ones, the ones that live fast, die young | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
and leave fascinating corpses. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
This is the first time we've found a pulsar outside our own galaxy | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
and it's been done with this telescope | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
and my colleagues from the university in Tasmania. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
How did you locate this pulsar? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Actually, we've been looking for years. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
We're not alone. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Each time we looked, we used better methods, better receiving equipment, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
better techniques. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
Slowly, perhaps, too slowly, it dawned on us that we had really | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
to go all out, use every trick we knew and that's what we did. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
We used the very best equipment we could build or lay our hands on. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
We used that - one of the best radio telescopes in the world. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
We used the best computing techniques that we could invent or steal. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
And we finally got one. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
Increasingly, scientists in all branches of astronomy | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
are pushing their equipment and techniques to the very limits, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
to make more and more exciting discoveries | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
about our unfolding universe. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
For radio-astronomers, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
the way ahead seems to lie in the linking of telescopes | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
as far apart as Parkes in Australia and Jodrell Bank in England, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
to increase the accuracy of the observations. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
But for optical astronomers, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
the Earth's atmosphere is the limiting factor. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
And there's even an answer to that. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Eight, seven, six, five, four... | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
We've gone for main engine start. We have main engine start. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
..America's first space shuttle. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
And the shuttle has cleared the tower. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
The plan is to use the shuttle to launch a space telescope - | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
a 94 inch reflector. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
The space telescope, of which we've got a model here, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
in the shuttle bay, is a complete satellite observatory. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
In other words, it will be able to do in space everything astronomers | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
now do from large observatories on the surface of the Earth. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
The great advantage is that we get rid of the atmosphere. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
The atmosphere smears the images of everything that we see in sky, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
and we get a very hazy, blurred view of the universe. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
With the space telescope, we will get a ten times sharper picture, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
and converting that into terms of the improvement in distance | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
with which we can see objects, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
we will see everything that we can now see in the universe, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
but at ten times greater distance than we can at present. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
In addition, we will open up other astronomical wavelengths | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
which have never been explored before by cameras. For example, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
no-one has ever taken ultraviolet pictures of the deep universe. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
Equally, there will be the possibility of doing the same | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
in the infrared waveband. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:02 | |
When do you hope it'll be launched? | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
It is expected it will be launched early in 1985. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
So you should be in time for Halley's Comet. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
This is one of the drivers behind the programme. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
Just about then, 1985, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
we'll be looking forward also to the next Voyager II pass. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
Remember, Voyager II is at this moment moving out from Saturn | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
towards the next giant planet, Uranus. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
It should make its pass in January 1986, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
and send back the first close-range views of that strange green world | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
with its thin rings, discovered as recently as 1977, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
and its strange axial tilt. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:39 | |
Then on to Neptune, in August 1989, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
and Neptune's satellite, Triton. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
Leaving only Pluto not contacted. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
We began our programme at the Royal Greenwich Observatory, | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
Herstmonceux, still the headquarters of British astronomy. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
And it seems only right to end here. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
I hope you've enjoyed our journey. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
It's taken us round the world in our pursuit of knowledge. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
Today, we are probing out to the depths of the universe, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
and every year we are solving new problems. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
Though each problem we solve seems to raise a whole host of others. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
I can't tell you what's going to happen during the next 25 years. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
Will there be bases on the moon? | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
Can we find out once and for all | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
whether the quasars really are immensely remote? | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
And is there the slightest chance of our proving | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
the existence of life on another world? I don't know. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
But one thing I can promise you. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
If I'm still alive in 25 years' time, in 2007, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
and if I'm still broadcasting, I'll still find plenty to say. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
Good night. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:49 | |
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