The Brazilian Grand Prix - Qualifying Formula 1

It is the conclusion to the 2013 season, it is time for a bit of a

reflection, contemplation and sophistication. Who do we think got

the best start this year? I think we should talk about Fernando Alonso.

Pick a race. Spa, Spain. Do we really think it was the best? There

were other candidates. I think his team-mate, Massa. British Grand

Prix, gained six places. We are so overjoyed that in the wisdom of BBC,

you are the winner of the best start of the season. It was definitely a

fantastic start, we overtook so many cars and that is really nice. It

will go to my museum. Thank you very much. I hope I can repeat many

starts like that. Best overtake. He has that charisma and style and can

make something special out of an occasion. I am talking about

Fernando Alonso. Last year he won the best start, but this year you

got the best overtaking manoeuvre, how did you do it? Overtaking mark

is not easy because he is a fighter and a great racing driver. I used

all of the KERS out of turn one. There was space enough for the car.

There was not time to back off so I had to pass. We have to talk about

driver of the year and I think the most improved driver of the year was

Grosjean. You thought you would never say that. Which race? I

thought Texas was a very mature drive but there are other great

ones. The way he kept Hulkenberg behind. This is drive of the year,

can you guess for which race? It is probably career. It is a pleasure, a

privilege to have this one. I will put it among the other good trophies

I have, hopefully there will be a Formula 1 trophy very soon. Thank

you. We should give an award called broadcast of the year to the driver

that has given us the best team radio entertainment and I think that

is Lewis Hamilton. I cannot think of anyone else who gave us such a laugh

at that moment and I would agree with everything you have said,

except that. What particular moment are you talking about? I can't drive

any slower and I have been overtaken by a Williams. Are you going to pull

me in? We need to manage this position. I am trying to.

Broadcaster of the year. For keeping that entertained with your fabulous

radio quips. It is a trophy, I suppose was up thank you to the

team. Who has been naughty? Sebastian Vettel has been a bit

controversial. He has been properly naughty and he has been cheeky. The

BBC have decided you are... No, this naughty boy is for swearing. Doing

doughnuts when you were not supposed to. It is not that naughty, is it?

It was expensive but was it naughty? I am very proud, officially it is

the first time I am the bad boy. Usually nice guys finish last. And

the bad guys get to take the prom queen home. I don't know where she

is but I am sure I will find! I think we also need to do something

to bring on record those who did something a little bit dippy. I am

talking about Lewis, he completely did what Jenson Button did. They

seem to always call into the wrong pets. He went in the wrong pets,

Hamilton went into the wrong pet! You get another award, the BBC

nostalgia award, you are so nostalgic about your time at McLaren

that you pulled into their pit box. It is just amazing! It was a good

experience and they said I could come back at any time! That is a

good note to leave on. We have to give mark an award. He had had some

incredible retirements, he is retiring. There have been a few

retirements, can you remember walking under a ladder at the start

of the season? I consider myself lucky. Anyway, thank you, BBC, I can

see you have put a huge amount of imagination into the award and I am

by excited to have it will stand pride of place next to my GP wins.

Mark, you are a genius, I will miss you, I think you are a top guy. Who

are you talking to? We are definitely talking to you now, hello

and welcome to a wet qualifying session from Interlagos. There were

so many reasons to watch this weekend. Undoubtedly Sebastian

Vettel has dominated with his masterful, magical, majestic

performance. This weekend, Spotlight on Mark Webber, for his last ever

Formula 1 race and what an amazing place to do it. It is, this place is

steeped in history. We have just bumped into eminence -- Emerson fit

about it. -- Fittipaldi. It is unthinkable to think of a Grand Prix

without a Brazilian driver. It is a fitting base to retire from. He has

had a couple of good wins here. He has, we just walked past the podium

and that is where he will be hoping to be. As he stepped out of the car

after qualifying, he will start to feel, this is it, my last moment in

a Grand Prix car. The last moment for Felipe Massa in a Ferrari, he

will get a heroes welcome. Brazil are so patriotic. The reality is

that as far as Felipe Massa is concerned, he is going to Williams,

he is finally letting go of the number two slot, he will probably be

number one at Williams and he needs and deserves that. In terms of this

track, you have driven and one here, it looks amazing. It is of -- a very

short nap. Busy for the drivers. The racetrack is bumpy, like the open

roads here in Brazil. Even in these conditions, it is still physically a

tough track. As you can tell, it is raining here. It was very wet

yesterday. This is one of those tracks that does train quite well.

It could throw up different conclusions. -- it does drain.

If Sebastian Vettel wins, he will have taken nine wins on the bounce.

Eight consecutive wins in one season, a record, happened last

weekend in that car in Austin. Because Sebastian Vettel is a

fanatical Formula 1 historian, he had to fight back the tears as he

edged his name into the history books one last time. -- he etched

his name. Vettel just gets in front. Grosjean

goes into second place. Hamilton goes up to third. Webber lost out,

big-time. Sutil has hit the wall and we have the safety car on track. It

was contact with Maldonado. We need to manage these tyres. Let me focus.

He has taken the place from Hamilton, it was a great move from

Mark Webber. You are doing a great job, you need to manage this

position. I am trying to. Bottas goes around the outside, he

has made it. He has moved up into eighth position.

Fernando Alonso moves into fifth place.

Grosjean is hanging in there at the moment, doing a fine job of keeping

Webber behind. ON RADIO: Do the same again. Is he

going to make a lunge for it. It is not going to happen for him. He has

used too much rear. He made a big mistake. That has dropped away and

we are running out of laps. Ferrari are struggling for grip. This is

Hulkenberg on Alonso. It looks as to the Ferrari has hit the cliff. He

has a great speed advantage, moves to the inside. He is going to return

the favour on Fernando Alonso, he was past him. But Alonso cuts back.

Lovely race craft. First win for Vettel, first win for Red Bull in

America, but it is his eighth in a row, the 12th of 2013.

ON RADIO: You have to remember there is no guarantee they will last

forever. I love you guys. So with that result and all that

team adoration Vettel secured the headlines and Alonso secured second

spot in the drivers' standing. Third place is up for the taking. Kimi

Raikkonen is recovering from a back operation so Hamilton and Webber

have a shot as moving up. Millions of reasons for Mercedes and Ferrari

to confirm that second place in the constructor's table. 15 points is

the difference, Lotus are still in that mix as well, Fernando Alonso

has said that he feels a second dream, second is a dream that may

not be realised by Ferrari this year.

It certainly has been a disappointing year, really for them

but you can't say the same the team behind us. Vettel has been

extraordinary and seemed to take command, from Malaysia on wards. He

has been dominant and some people may say, somewhat tedious, but is he

the same as Michael Schumacher? He does it with a bigger smile and a

more appealing approach to the way he goes about his motor racing. I

would say not Malaysia. They have been dominant in Silverstone, the

tyre change, everything that happened here, made it easy-peasy

for Red Bull, and I think it has played into their hands, but someone

had to drive the car. Sebastian Vettel did that, and he did it

brilliantly. It he has done it brilliant. Ben,ed him eight in the a

row at the last race in Austin Texas. Do you think this is a

special era? Unquestionably, you need the look at the competition.

And the drivers that are in the car, anyone who belittles the achievement

of Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel is just being so blinkered by their

love of the team they follow. This is a special period and I think the

words of interest yen saying that, enjoy these times because they might

never come back again. This could be the last World Champion Red Bull

Racing win for all we know. It is unlikely but it is not impossible.

It is interesting you were talking about that, I was thinking about

Fernando Alonso and our website, we have an interview Lee did, and he

does talk about Vettel and not particularly favourably, so we will

discuss that again tomorrow, but in terms of those other team, Ferrari,

McLaren, what are they? Is it these guys have to brilliant or has

everybody else fallen behind? I think they have underperformed. Let

us be clear about this. I think Ferrari, they have had probably one

of the worst seasons they have had for a long time, by thaun our

admission. They may sound extreme, McLaren have yet to finish on the

podium. That is unheard of territory for McLaren, they need to get a

grip, they have a change, they have announced a new driver, obviously

general so seven is going to be there, let us hope they can bring

the fight -- Jensen. We need them bringing the fight to Red Bullment

while David thinks they maybe their possibly championship to win, I

don't go along with that, I think Red Bull are going to be the team to

beat. We don't know, but coming into this season there weren't many rule

changes you could be forgiven for thinking it was closer than it was

On On paper McLaren had the fastest car when you look at all the races

but in the end they didn't have the reliability. They lost their driver

in Lewis, in all of the uncomfortable moments there, they

went for a radical change and it hasn't worked for them. It's the

first time since 1980 they haven't had a podium finish, so a long time

and they have done a very good job, I should say, of managing the

disappointment this year, so top marks to their media team. Certainly

been an intriguing season. Let us catch up with the latest news.

Mark Webber sets on the Formula One grid for the final time. He has been

in the sport for 11 years and has been reminiscing about his career.

The longevity has been something I am proud of. Never thought I would

spray the champagne over 40 time, and some big victories along the

way, which were good. You want more, that is human nature, would you

trade in wins for a Championship? Of course.

Sebastian Vettel refuses to talk about the possibility of becoming

the first man to win nine consecutive Grand Prix. He did see

the eighth win and his 12th of the season last week. It has taken some

time to sink in. It is not what keeps me going but it means a lot,

when you start to realise these thing, this year has been incredible

in this regard. So I am looking forward to the winter break. You

have to calm down and let all the things sink in.

Jenson Button is looking forward to the end of the season after a torrid

year for McLaren. But he still hopes he might get some champagne in 2013.

I think I would like a podium. That is a long shot. I don't think we are

too far away from that. Fighting for one has to be the aim, whether we

get it is another question. Many drivers raise racing at

Interlagos ant sure whether this could be their last Formula One

race. Contracts are being sorted out and Sergio Perez and Paul di Resta's

futures still aren't secure. The pressure for an experienced driver

is going to be hard. I think there will be a lot less run in, I have a

lot to offer this teem still but you need to get the performance and when

you are asked to deliver in Melbourne in qualifying and to

deliver in a race, the team know what I will deliver if you have the

tools. Pastor Maldonado and Hulkenberg say why they can't reveal

where they are going will be they in the sport next season. Max Chilton

is the only driver to finish every Grand Prix this season. He will be

in Formula One next year, most likely staying with Marussia. We

have had good discussions and I hope to be coming back nest year. Are you

90% confident you will be there? Yes, I never say 100 because you

would be silly to say that unless it is signed and on the dotted line. It

looks as though the news could be there for Max Chilton, sensible

though, not saying 100%, you can't. He knows what is going on. Certainly

does. Let us look at what we do know so far, in terms of driver line ups

for next season. You will notice there are gap, can you fill those?

E?? Lotus is the first one. I am sure Pastor Maldonado will go in

there. A regruen I don't know if row like, people forget Eric Boullier

and Pastor were partners, team drivers long ago as five years ago

so they come back into the fold, that would be a strong connection.

Are you saying that is not about money? Of course it is. The problem

is that the money split is too difficult now. You see the top four

have the money and the bottom don't. They are struggling. Somebody has to

look the way the money is distributed. That is not for me to

decide. Let us move on the Force India. That is where Paul di Resta

is. Fans want to know what is happening to him. What have you got

there? I think we have been saying for weeks, probl a couple of months

that Hulkenberg for me, absolutely will announce shortly that he will

be the driver at Force India so you can put Nico in there. Alongside

him, there is a lot of interest and a lot of us both agree we would love

to see Paul there, but I think will it be go to Sergio Perez. He has

come into the mix because he got left out of at McLaren. He has money

and his people are working like crazy to make sure this happens,

this could be the problem for Paul going forward. Why you put Perez,

because of the backing? We are are in the world at the moment, and in

the world there is people like one of the richest people who has a huge

marketing business but he has a Telecoms business and they want to

support Mexican people. We saw the huge number of people at the race in

Austin and there are people who want to support their driver, that is why

Perez will get the seat. Let us look at Sauber, see what you have for

them? I believe there will be a shift. This is where I think Paul

has the chance, I do believe Sutil will go there, and that that other

seat for me is Gutierrez or Paul di Resta. I can't be certain, but

Gutierrez seeing he has been there, he will have some money, Paul has

said how difficult it is about the money situation in Formula One, it

is not an easy position, I am not happy about it but that is what is

happening. We talked about the Russian driver. He hasn't got the

license, he will be number three, most of the teams are desperate for

cash, they need money to make sure that the wheels are roll, and he

will be there but as a number three. We saw Max Chilton there, from

Marussia and I presume you have him down as the second driver. There is

no doubt about that, I think max was being nice to us there, I think he

knows the same as we although it is a done deal. The situation in

Caterham, dare I say, Giedo van der Garde, he is going to keep his seat.

He comes with a bit of sponsor sigh ship so I am sure we will keep that

position. Then the big surprise, and that is the Swedish driver Magnus

Eriksson. How did you know that? He is a GP 2 driver. It a big surprise.

Presumably comes with some backing. If he does or doesn't, are you

telling me there isn't experienced Formula One drivers that can't take

that seat. I am not it willing you egg anything. What about haky. He is

the forgotten man, until somebody needs experience and he is doing an

amazing job. Don't be surprised if he is in the top ten. What do you

feel about this? Are you part of this show? Predictions are part of

your game! There are compelling arguments for the seats to be filled

out, but I agree there is great talent that has been overlooked. You

mention with Kovalainen, Paul di Resta, there are a number of drivers

that can clearly deliver, so, difficult times in Formula One.

Difficult and interesting times. Lots of drivers changing teams and

of course 2014 will mark the new era in Formula One as we say hello to

the V 6 turbos. That should shake things up a bit.

One man has dominated Formula One for the last four years.

That could be about to change. There is a new set of regulations

that will turn Formula One on its head.

The first of the big rule changes is the engine.

I am with Pat Symonds technical director of William what is going on

with the engines? Firstly, I think we have to call them Powertrains

because they are more than engines, you are going from a 2.4 litre V 8

to a 1.6V 6 turbo charged energy. We have had Kerr, next year we are

calling it ERS. It is more than the Ken tick, we have ten times the

energy storage and twice the power. So 160 horsepower of electric power

we can add to the engine and we can do it for round 33 seconds.

As if that wasn't enough, the rule makers have chucked in a bunch of

aerodynamic changes as well. Sam Michael, sporting director of

McLaren, what is changing? The first thing you will know is that the

front of the car, the front wing will be 70ml narrower. As you go

down the car it has a massive effect on the diffuser, so that, combined

with the lower chassis is the first change. So let us move on to the

nose. You have a certain chassis height. 625ml. That is coming down

by 75. That will push the nose tip. It is to improve safety on the

front. A lot has been said about the

changes to the exhausts. It is a relief for the teams that it is no

longer a problem It is going to be gone completely. The exhaust engine

is there, that blows air down, you will have a single tail pipe that

will run through here, down the back of the impact structure you won't

have any about to do exhaust blowing. At the rear of the car, we

have the rear wing box which is this distance here, this heightlet it is

reduced by 20mm so it makes the box smaller, so the rear low wing, that

has gone next year. The key to finding the advantage in Formula One

is finding that loophole. Are there any in the new regulations?

Inevitably. We have had all the working groups, we try and close

everything down, you have to remember it is 500 people in every

Formula One team, and their job is to find loopholes so there will be

some. The question now is which of the drivers will adapt best to the

new rules? Going into next year you can't judge or say, you know you

can't say based on this year's performance you will be good this

years, or the other way round. Next year if you apply it too quickly

because of the for you will lose the rear end. It's a very different

feeling. Give the throttle pedal more respect than any other year. I

am sure Red Bull is going to be quick because they have a great team

but we can give them a good run for their money.

The shape of things to come, fascinating times in Formula 1. Our

technical expert Gary Anderson has been in that situation, how big a

deal is this? It is huge, it is the car regulation change as well as a

power regulation change and they have not happened together for a

long time. The teams and the engine companies will have to dig deeply.

What do you see as the major problems?

To get ready in time. After Melbourne you will see such a rapid

development. You will have to be competitive in a steer. If one of

the engine companies gets it wrong it will be a real problem, it is so

long to recover. If you have a problem with the crankshaft it takes

three months to get a new one. That will be the biggest problem. How

tough is it from a driver's point of view? Adapting to change is what

separates the good from the great. The great drivers will try to find a

way to exploit the new regulations to their advantage. That is why Mark

Webber is saying that will be right up Sebastian Vettel's Ali. I know

that Jenson Button has spent time getting used to this increased

torque that is available. If we had traction control it would be a huge

advantage. How different is it to sit in a simulator, I know they are

fantastic these days, but to actually get in the car and drive

it, they must feel completely different. Can you get good stuff

out of a similar to? You get the basis of something but there is no

fear when you know the worst thing that can happen is that the system

will reset itself. I know some young guys who are the kings of this year

later but they can't deliver the last bit of lap time in a Grand Prix

car. Just quickly, Gary, only six days of testing for the drivers and

the teams, will reliability be an issue? Reliability and testing will

be a huge issue and reliability coming into the racing will be huge.

It is so different. The heat and the electrical source, it will take a

massive amount of cooling. Who is going to take the risks? It is going

to be very difficult to make those decisions. Six days for each driver,

I am sure they would like to have more than that. You may have noticed

Eddie Jordan is not joining us at the moment. We will speak to one of

the most popular men around here who has had over 300 starts, and his

first one was with Gordon. Rubens Barry

a lot of good friends still there? A lot of good friends, good memories.

I have the passion for it and I have my friends. My son was asking, where

can we go? I said, we can go everywhere. I know pretty much 85%,

probably I have worked with 85% of the Formula 1 paddock. I feel proud

of it. What do you think that yourself, and now with Massa

leaving, what are the memories for Massa leaving here? Will he be

upset? At the end of the day, drivers will be searching for good

cars. You know that the red cars are good cars. That is where he could be

a bit disappointed to leave. But if he has a good car in Williams,

everything goes in a second. It is just having a good car. He had good

times here, just like I had. Your career and his career are very

similar, you are working alongside Schumacher, we know what happened

then. He is working alongside Alonso. Is the pressure on being

called number two, not being disrespectful, Ferrari always have a

number one driver. Is it difficult? It was difficult to begin

everything, because a lot of people say, he must have had that in the

contract. It wasn't written in my contract about being number two. If

we close our eyes and see who had more talent, Michael had more talent

than I did. I have to be honest with that. But I am pretty sure if we

were free to play, I am pretty sure with those seven championships,

maybe one would have been mine. I am being simple in that, but it is

quite a unique place to work. I think I can not be disappointed to

have worked with Ferrari, everything I remember, I remember with a smile.

I am not crying and saying I would have been well champion but I have

done everything I wish I had done. They work in a different perspective

from other teams. Could you be a dinner date for Michael Schumacher

if he rang you up? Absolutely. In life you have to learn everything. I

tried to change their minds when I was there. That is why I left my

contract one year before the end, I wasn't satisfied with the situation.

I said, I am going to try to win somewhere else. It almost happened

with the Brawn team. Friends are for life, cars come and go. So why not a

dinner? Always a great pleasure, we love you on the BBC. Lots of luck,

not just today but they World Cup coming up and lots of other things.

Lots of romance going on. He was quite frank in that interview. I

think Eddie loves him so much because he brought some money to

Jordan in the early days. He gave an insight into how Ferrari operate

their team. It is still spitting a bit. Jenson Button earlier in the

programme said he thought he might get a podium. What do you think the

chances are? Mixed weather conditions will always play to the

strengths of those who don't have great pace. McLaren haven't had the

car they are used to enjoying. They have to see this as an opportunity.

As we get into these more stable conditions, there is more likelihood

of the intermediate tyres. It remains to be seen, a short lap,

different to a lot of the tracks, so let's see. Of course, he was the

winner here last year. He met up with David to take us on a special

lap of this glorious track. Jenson Button takes victory, a

masterful performance. Jenson Button, all-round good guy,

who we are in Brazil. Normally we do a track guide. We normally do the

track guide on the circuit. But you have agreed to talk to us from in

the car. I have indeed, we will see how it goes. I have tried it before.

It should be all right. It is a bit wet out there, I might be a bit

hesitant on the radio. As long as you talked me through it well, I

will give good feedback. If you can install the car and start

with a practice start, please. That was a great practice start. You

have one here -- won here last year, if you would like to talk us through

this historic racetrack. There is normally a lot of water on the

circuit. Today is not too bad. Turn six and seven, the two quickest

corners on the circuit. Going into turn eight when normally you would

strike the kerb but not today. Quite a lot of grip. The hairpin is second

gear, another quick left-hander before the last corner of the

circuit. If you get a good... Important to get a good exit here

because you have a lot of drag up the hill.

Thanks for that, I hope my messages were nice and clear. Beautifully

done, you have a future career in engineering. You understand the

Scottish tongue over the radio foot of a great venue, one you have had a

good success here in the past, what can we expect for the weekend? We

can expect a lot of rain, it is forecast every day. If we can have

it off and on, that would be nice, please. It is a fun circuit to

race, the perfect way to end the season. This is where I have won the

World Championship and we are hoping for a good result, it has been a

tough year for us. On the plus side, you still have your looks, it

is not all bad. A little bit hairy at the moment, it

is an excuse to grow a beard because it is Movember. More bromance in

Formula 1! It would be amazing to see Jenson Button, what a difference

12 months has made. Can we really see it? The only thing in his favour

is the weather. We know, one of the greatest races in my memory was in

Canada where he beat Vettel on the last lap for a brilliant win. If he

could do anything close to that and finish on the podium, we would be

overjoyed. He did say I won some rain, I want it to stop, it looks

like it is going his way. Anything is possible. You have an

unpredictable weather pattern on a very tricky track, end of season

reliability, engines and gearboxes getting towards the end. A lot can

happen this afternoon and tomorrow. In terms of qualifying, it is always

important to be on the front row but how vital is it to get pole position

here? Overtaking here is pretty difficult. It is such a

here? Overtaking here is pretty difficult. It is such short lap, I

think the DRS has a smaller effect. In qualifying, a tense can cover two

or three rows. In some races we may well think more about the racetrack

and give up some good position. It is tricky into the first corner and

Djourou want to try to keep out of trouble. -- and you really want to.

Sebastian Vettel is walking from his hospitality, ready to prepare for

qualifying. After eight years with Ferrari, it was time for Felipe

Massa to hand back the red overalls and move on to pastures new.

Cast your mind back to when you were first told you are going to be a

Ferrari driver, what were those emotions like? It was a dream come

true. One of the first go-kart I have, it was red. Brazilian people

are close to Ferrari because of Senna. I always loved the red car,

always loved Ferrari. I never believed I would drive for Friary in

my career. I had a chance to drive for Ferrari for eight years. I never

believed that. When you drive a Ferrari for the first time, it is a

dream come true. To win in Brazil is like winning the championship. When

Senna won it, his reaction was much more than when he won the

championship. I remember I won in Brazil with a Brazilian overall,

yellow and green, which is very special. Felipe Massa has done

everything he needed to do, who will be the world champion of 2008? I did

everything the best I could, I started in pole position, I won the

race. I didn't lose the championship in Brazil, I lost it before.

Hamilton is back in position again to become Formula 1 world champion!

They both think they have won it. So many other races, especially

Singapore, was unacceptable. What happened in Singapore, it cannot

happen. 2009, a terrible accident, how much did that take out a view?

Felipe Massa is in intensive care, he has had emergency surgery after

suffering two skull fractures. I was not really in a good shape with a

very hard Bridgestone tyres. I enjoy my life after the accident more than

I was enjoying before, because you never believe something will happen

to you. When something happens, you know that things can change in one

minute. How do you feel about leaving Ferrari? A bit cheated?

I have sosome friends here talking about my career, talking about the

professional side, it is OK. I am happy to change, you know, to try to

do different things and even starring from zero, I think it can

be a very good restart. I do everything for this team.

ON RADIO: Fernando is faster than you. You have won races and given a

position to Fernando hen he needed it. You took a gearbox change. What

more did Ferrari need do you do to be here next season? I don't know. I

did a lot for the team. I always try to work 100% the way I am with the

team, for sure. It won't be so easy to find another one like that.

I am sure it won't B we are in the busy old paddock with the team boss

Juan Pablo Montoya. Mixed emotion for you. Hes been a loyal soldier.

N't absolutely, he is for sure. Not a normal weekend, because, in our

life, we consider things that are slipping away, in a very, very easy

but I think that this weekend, for us, for him, as you say it is very

special. So we don't have to for get on top of the driver, that has made

a lot of good pages of our history, there, it has been great. I was

close to him in a moment, where race is not so important band I am

pleased to see it is like the guy we know, he is also being loyal and

sensible and attached to our family. You said slipping away, what has

happened to the performance? That has slipped away. What has happened

to Ferrari this year We didn't improve the car during the season,

after, I would say from July on wards, we didn't get to the pace of

development, no doubt about it, secondly we pay with a very heavy

price, the change of the tyre, we were not able to, to understand the

old tyres, and for sure we were better with the ones we had at the

beginning of the season. Your President gave Fernando Alonso eight

out of ten, what would you give him? These thing, I keep it for myself,

and but in any case, as a team boss, I am always believe that our team

and driver has to be considered the best. So that is my approach. It is

not very motivational to be given eight out of ten when you are almost

masking the problems, he is driving the wheels off their thing, isn't

he? I said for me if he is the best, more than that... Ten out of ten! I

think most people would be giving him ten out of ten. He is being

honest, the car by his own standards has been really disappointing. Yes.

We as fans we need to see Ferrari performing better not just because

we need to report it but we need to be happy about it. We need to see

Ferrari Ferrari there. You know me, I am not a man of great words, we

need facts to say yes, but that is my approach and what I have asked of

my engineer, better to keep their heads down on the work without

saying anything special. Talking about next year and Kimi, he won't

be happy to be number two. Are things going to hang in terms of how

things are set up? Nothing has been changed since the history of

Ferrari. The if you look at the record of my interviews, five years

ago, six years ago, would have said the same thing. So nothing has

changed. I know there is not a lot to say during the last race of the

season. Stefano Domenicali, thank you for your time.

100% chance of rain today, no, no whatever Sherlock because it is

raining. And it is going to rain for this whole session, which is going

to shake things up a bit. Don't forget, loads of information on our

BBC website, and you can download the BBC sport phone app, all the

latest result, column, news for you, if you are out and about we are

leave, we will stream the race for your live.

So, Felipe moves to William, and a lot of people are happy about that.

It has been a good partling of the ways. But he is such a cool guy.

Massa would fit into any team. He is very easy, very honest, very quick,

and if you remember, we said maybe the shackles will be released from

him when it is found out that what he is doing and how his Championship

is going, because when he finally realised he was no longer required

at Ferrari, I think his game absolutely went sky high, he

performed better he raced better, certainly qualified better, and I

think he is preparing himself for a big onslaught. I think he will have

a good season next season at Williams. No Nikki, you won't

interrupt me. That is OK. He is trying to distract me. I hope not!

We are back. I think Massa, it is a big turn round time for Williams

too. They have a lot to achieve, because nay have been floundering

for the last number of years and this could be a big change. They

have five points this season, which isn't great. Felipe, he could have

his hands full with Valtteri Bottas. . They need them to buevens each

other. This is how great teams emerge. It doesn't usually happen

when there is a great driver and a make up driver. That is why I used

to disagree with what went on at Ferrari. He denied having number two

drivers, we have spoken to two drivers that admitted they were

number two. Who are you going to understand? I am not going to say

who would you believe because dom is an honest guy. There is no doubt

Fernando Alonso was favoured as was shuem. -- Schumacher. Clear is

Claire Williamers. -- Williams. Can I go here, so I can paddle my mic.

Crazy paddock here. It is bonkers. Well done last weekend for the

points, first of all but looking forward to next year, Felipe Massa

coming to your team. Tell us your thoughts? So excited. I can't wait

for this season to be over. It has been difficult for everybody and

Austin was fantastic. Valtteri was great to get the points but we are

looking forward to next year. We have done work behind the scenes,

and Felipe is joining us in the line up, which we are excited about. He

brings a huge amount of experience, talent, he is a proven race winner,

we are just looking for war to getting started. It has been a long

time since he has won a race, five years but hopefully he can change

things. I think we have just said, you need him as much as he needs

you, he needs to refind his own career, find some races, have you

got, I mean you have Pat, Pat Symonds so we love and know what a

great winner he was when he was with Benton, can he deliver the car for

you? Pat has joined us in Augusts. He was able to come in quickly, and

he has made so many changes, with the structure of the team, so I

think he can absolutely have an impact on next year's car, I know he

is looking forward to 2015 and that car, because that is the greatest

impact he can have. Tell me, you talked about him coming in August.

When did you start working on next year's project? The end of last year

because of the regulation change, next year we had to start work on

the 2014 car further in advance we normally would.

In terms of the turn round at William, have you noticed or can you

feel commercial activity, can you find new sponsors that you think may

be coming to the team, or is that still dark territory for you guys?

It is not. We are lucky, we always have a strong pipeline of prospects

that we are talking to. This year has been no different. Considering

our ontrack performance sh you may think that is a surprise, we have

great heritage, we have a great story to sell. We have the advance

engineering business which lots of prospects like to get working with.

We are working with batteries and energy efficiency, that is

interesting for people. But we hope he have some interesting new

announcements coming up. We have signed a new partner though we won't

be talking about it just yet. We will look forward to announcing it

next year. We look forward to that. Not very long to go before three

qualifying sessions for you, who you got down for pole position? Lewis

Hamilton. Looking forward to this one, it is

going to stay rainy boys! The final event of the 2013 F1

season has brought us to the Grande Premio Do Brasil. A country which

has produced champions of the past. How can we forget last year? It lies

in sprawling suburbs of one of the biggest cities in the world. Sao

Paulo and while I won't see any titles decided here this time, the

lay out of the 2.7 mill, 4.3 kilometre track invites exciting

racing. The first sector features the Senna S and the first of the DRS

zones. Sector two starts fast and flowing and tightens up into a

series of near hairpins, the next section demands horsepower, where

DRS is active. The fastest lap in qualifying last year was set by

Lewis Hamilton in a McLaren, but that was fully dry, and so far this

weekend, the track hasn't been dry for any part of free pack tis, so we

are going to a bit of new territory. It is not dry at the moment, but it

has stopped raining. That will give the teams a chance to dial the cars

in, but remember, however they set the cars up for qualifying is how

the car has to run in the race tomorrow.

Yes, of course the only change they are allowed do is make some changes

to the cooling of the car, they will need to blank off the brakes to

generate the same temperatures, a load of enen I is taken out the lap

because you are running slower, otherwise the main mechanics of --

managerles of the car remains the same. Tom Clarkson is in the pits.

How are things at the moment? It is dry, as you say, but I have been

talking to some of the teams about what you do with the set up, and

they are saying you have to go dry this afternoon, the weather forecast

is for it to rain during this session, but a couple of the guys on

the pit wall, they have given up looking at the radar, the rain is so

unpredictable, all they know it is due in the next hour, and they will

put a dry set up on the cars because tomorrow the forecast is better.

Right. Well, as you can see from the puddle, it is not, well, there is a

bit of rain there. We will keep an eye on it. In the Drivers'

Championship Sebastian Vettel has wrapped up the win and Alonso has

wrapped up second place. Still a bit of a tussle going foreign third

place, Lewis Hamilton currently third, could still be beaten by Mark

Webber, Raikkonen lies fourth but is likely to lose it, as Eddie is

continuing his chat with Claire Williams. Deputy team principal. Red

Bull Racing have won the constructors title, but where we are

looking is the battle for second. Mercedes, Ferrari and Lotus,

although Mercedes have their edge of 15 points it can change quickly when

you have two cars scoring. It can change things quickly, at the bat

back the battle for tenth. Marussia have the tenth place

courtesy of a 13th place finish in Malaysia. As we saw last season it

can change. It has changed in the last five laps. Special crash helmet

there for Felipe Massa as he celebrates his time at Ferrari, the

last Grand Prix for the Brazilian in the Ferrari team, he has twice won

this Grand Prix, so, and the third time he could have would be won it

he handed the victory to Raikkonen. He went on to win the Championship

in that 2007 season. Interestingly on the radio Charles Pic at Caterham

are told the conditions are going to get worse. Several teams are sending

their drives to the end of the pit lane. There is a compromise in

cueing up at the end of the pit lane. You start to lose some

temperature, surface temperature in the tyre, they have come out of the

blanket, not a at the same temperature you would put the slick

tyres but as we wait for the light to go green, there is 45 seconds or

so beforehand, you start to lose the heat, Red Bull choosing to leave

those tyres wrapped up snug in the blanket, and Sebastian Vettel

getting ready. Didn't do a lot of laps in the free practise this

morning. I think he did about four in total. Ferrari and Mercedes

didn't do anything at all. So different strategies being run. You

see the intermediate tyre there, the Greenside wall limited tread

pattern, that gives stability to the block when you are on a track which

is damp but not a lot of standing water. That is ideal, not too much

standing water. The risk of aqua plaining is reduce. The green light

indicating the beginning of the final session of qualifying in 2013.

There are still some schools to be settled and they are all trying to

get out on track first, the because they expect things are going to

worsen. The intermediate tyre is the tyre of choice for the teams. It was

the choice because it was windy for the last half an hour, a bit of wind

and no rain. Then it started to spit a bit. You have to get a banker lap

and intermediate is the right tyre there will be lot of gambles. You

are limited on the number of sets that you have and if it carries on

drying up, you don't want to waste your intermediate tyres on a race

that might be damp. That is the problem.

RADIO: It will be important to get through some of these cars. Every

car is on and out lap at the moment. Nico Rosberg being told to get past

the slower cars. He is looking forward to that pole position. In

the wet, that is the place to be. You don't want all of that spray. We

are seeing dry patches on the track so this will probably be the

quickest part of qualifying. It is the first time we have seen any dry

patches all weekend. It may surprise a few of the teams that haven't had

a chance to send out a spotter. There have just been some

promotional laps for a local car company. Those who have left no

stone unturned will be well aware that there is some dry running

available in the middle of turn ten. A bit sideways for a Lewis Hamilton,

the first to go on to a flying lap. He took pole position 12 months ago.

He has never won at Interlagos. He is dropping down to the lowest part

of the circuit. The track is almost on three separate levels. He now

climbs slightly into the middle level, fast on the entry here and

then it starts to tighten. It is difficult on the circuit because you

are breaking and turning into the apex at the same time. As we go into

this turn ten, it is another one of these long, sweeping loads as you

brake and then you have this fantastic drop for the elevation

change, and into the last corner, where Ayrton Senna spun his Williams

in 1994. It is a tricky turn and then up through the series of kinks

that take you up through the start finish line. He was a great fan of

Senna himself and he sets the first time. Minutes 25 -- 1:20 5.3. Test

one: RADIO: There are a few dry patches

in sector one. Hulkenberg reporting be drying

patches. Hamilton is going for it wittily again on the next sector. --

quickly again. Having to pass whether as they head towards the

Senna S -- pass Mark Webber. Hamilton is quick but Rosberg is

quicker, he has gone slightly faster in the first sector. Sebastian

Vettel comes up to the line. He goes second. Hulkenberg goes third. Is

this going to be a further improvement for Lewis Hamilton? 1:20

5.3 is what he did last time. -- one: 25.3.

It looks that we are in a bit of a lull, anyone who has find themselves

out of position. Already children about the --

already talking about the possibility of dry tyres. Yesterday

when the track was a bit wetter, they were getting about ten laps out

of each set of intermediate tyres. If the track conditions don't get

worse during Q1, they might be forced to use a second set of

intermediates. Romain Grosjean, he was not impressed. It is a sort of

unwritten rule, don't dilly-dally around the apex.

You are leaning on the front tyres, it is easy to drift into that car

and cause an incident. This is all about getting in the top 16. Fastest

is Lewis Hamilton. There is a long time to go in this session, just

under 14 minutes as we ride on board with Mark Webber. It is the last few

moments that could prove crucial, depending on how much rain we get. A

bit of traffic, the Sauber, he gets out of the way. Up ahead of him,

Alonso. Don't expect any problems. Mark needs to get a clean lap to

make himself a bit more comfortable. The rain is coming down hard, he

could be in trouble. We might have 30 minutes to go but it could be

relevant as it gets more slippery -- 13 minutes to go. He has a decent

bit of traction, is he going to have enough time to move up the order? He

is 1.4 seconds off the top time. It should put him in tenth or 11th,

this will improve his time. He needs to get out of the bottom group. It

is enough, he moves up to ninth. The conditions are worsening but Webb as

many as are confirmation from Mercedes. Let's

have happened with Kovalainen. This is coming up to turn ten, the

so-called duckbill. They have some issues with the Caterham.

The problem with impeding that we, -- come across quite often, in this

situation, they are all trying to get their lap in. If they are all on

a timed lap there is no such thing. If someone is on and out lap or in

lap and driving below pace, that is impeding. In the case of this,

Kovalainen just following Pic around. The two Caterhams circling

in close proximity. It could be dangerous and Vergne is in the drop

zone. Usually one of the fastest in the wet. He has out-qualified

Ricciardo in most of the wet sessions this year. He is down in

terms of comparison with Ricciardo. He might have just been out of

position. It will be interesting to see if he goes with a fresh set of

intermediates. RADIO: Why did we wait, there was

rain coming? Don't worry about that, get yourself ready. It is a good

question, why did they wait? We can't forget what Paul di Resta did

at Spa, you have got to read the conditions and expect them to

worsen. It is a good point, Jean-Eric Vergne has been good in

these conditions relative to his team-mate. For whatever reason, his

side of the garage, for which he has to take responsible a tee as well,

was physically ready. He could have said, I want to go now. --

responsibility as well. Maldonado is 16. -- 16. Video as is also in the

drop zone. -- some of the circuits have grip

paint, bits of sand in the paint. That is what happens, it is super

slippy when you take out what is already a very stressed tire. --

tyre. There are still nine minutes to go in Q1. He has always been good

in the wet conditions, Kovalainen. If it now starts to dry up, it could

all change again. How are things in the pit lane? I can only judge the

amount of rain by the blooms of spraying -- plumes of spray.

Hulkenberg is a real specialist around here. Sauber have struggled

with their car, they had to throw an extra set of tyres at the

performance. They were saying before this session, if they get a decent

result, it is all thanks to Nico Hulkenberg. It was a very strong

performance. Has he managed to move himself up? No, he hasn't. Where

Kovalainen found some time, Gutierrez has not yet bound it. Turn

three is the scene of many a driver heading into the barriers when it is

damp. Intermediates, they don't quite have the tread depth or the

block movement. Once you get more water down the grip drops away. He

has done a run of eight laps in all so if he feels he is up against it,

maybe the only option is to put a fresh of tyres on. Quite a lot of

work on the wheel, he is trying to use wider alliance to find more

grip. He has not improved on his first sector. You try to get the car

as straight as possible before accelerating and when you get to

full power, you start to drop down. This is flat in dry conditions, not

so in these. He has gone a bit wide and as a consequence he got the

oversteer on exit and then this long drag up the hill. Interesting to see

if he can keep flat through the kink. Sounded as if he was lacking

confidence. He is down in 19th position so it looks as if Gutierrez

could be slipping out in Q1. He got a bit out of shape on a couple of

places and hitting on to the kerbs will not help them. When you run out

beyond the white lines onto the kerb, you need to lift off the

power. You don't want a Grand Prix car to get sideways, it is not

designed to absorb the slip angle. Rear-wheel drive, no front wheel

drive to help you around the corner. Mark Slade giving the signal to stop

the engine on the calf Heikki Kovalainen -- the car. They feel he

has done enough. Bianchi is going out for a full lap

run, we gather. There is Bianchi, let's see how he

is getting on. A good opportunity for the drivers and smaller teams at

the back to show their skills. When you look at the history of this

book, drivers who have had exceptional skills have been able to

take a step forward -- history of the sport. In Q1 at Spa they gambled

on slicks and they had three cars into Q2, which was a good gamble. I

am not sure it is going to work today, I think there is too much

rain. He has done he is two seconds slower than his previous best.

Gather that Gutierrez got a new set of intermediates on his car, so she

back out. They are having to throw the tyres that are in the drop zone,

hoping they will drag a time out before that clock clicks down to

zero, there is only four-and-a-half minutes to go, and there is not much

sign of the rain stopping, so it is pretty difficult. This will give

them a couple of time laps, by the time they get round. Jean-Eric

Vergne is going to open his lap. Look at the spray. So certainly

visibly wetter than at the start of the session. Yes, now Vergne is

going to need a very good lap to try an get out of that drop zone. He has

to try and push Maldonado down, in fact Ricciardo is not much further

up. He is 15th. . Is coming out in front of him. Will he give Miguel

Jiminez a clear run into turn four. -- give him. In terms of being on

the pace for 16th place, he was a tenth out of what he needs.

You go in, it is uphill double apex right-hander, seven and eight.

Then you have the difficult breaking down into the turns there, and

immediately you are dropping down into nine. Try and get the car as

straight as possible. You use what the drivers would call carting line,

you know, the lines you learn back in carting as a kid and you try and

keep off the classic dry line. That is where all the rubber is laid

down, it becomes slick when you have wet conditions like this. Some

places you are committed to having to cross over the racing line, and

just have to feather the throttle at that point.

Vergne desperate the try and get into the second part of qualifying.

This is not working out, according to plan. He is not going to make it

on the lap. Half a second away from what he needed. And for the guy who

was acknowledged to be one of the best in the rain, we spoke to

Christian Horner this morning and he was saying how impressive Jean-Eric

Vergne usually is in the wet condition, it was purely by not

having him out there at the correct time. Ricciardo is out there as

well, so he has gone out on a new set of intermediates. Vergne has

been told do a cool down lap and go for it again. Even on the

intermediates you have to look at after the tyres. His lap time was

quicker than Daniel Ricciardos. : He hasn't been able to get in front of

Ricciardos in the majority of the qualifiers. It is one of the biggest

gaps between tame mates. Big year for Jean-Eric Vergne next

season, got a new team-mate alongside him, if he is not able to

show him the way it could be the end of his career. Slight improvement

from Gutierrez. He can do another lap that is quicker and push

Maldonado down into the drop zone. Bottas is comfortably in there, he

is 11th. Kovalainen has done a couple of green n that sector it is

his personal best, so looking like he is going to improve on hiss 14th

place. It means the track is slightly improving, with a

minute-and-a-half to go in this session, Kovalainen still trying to

get himself out of trouble. He goes up to fifth there is real

opportunity here, for those in the drop zone. What that means for the

likes of Massa. Sutil, Ricciardo. Ricciardo and Maldonado is out

there. Sutil is out there. But Massa is not out there.

ON RADIO: Improving in all sectors. That is what Vergne wants to hear.

How is he looking? He is doing a slow lap at the moment. So it will

come down to the last lap. He has just gone on to it He will get the

checker at the end of it. One lap will separate him from going out in

the first part of qualifying or getting to play a bit more this

afternoon. I guess you could say Massa should be safe. Wait to see

whether the Caterhams and the Marussias can do anything. I don't

think it is likely. Both Caterhams are in the pits. I am surprised they

have decided -- decided to stay there. They have decided to save

their tyres. Maldonado has not been able to improve. Is out there and so

he has one more chance. Vergne is on his last chance. You are watching

it. He has potential. Look look to the right of the screen you can see

he is in second gear. He is currently three tenths slower than

his best. He has done a personal best in thes first sector, gaining

time now, he is just about two tenths up. Looks up, he will be

glancing down at his lap delta, every, he is half a second up.

ON RADIO: Kovalainen is improving. He did 26.2. You do one more lap.

Vergne is improving. He is. He is about five or six tenths faster,

that is enough to do a 26.9 if he can keep it together. Ricciardo is

on a lap too. So the team-mates hoping to get through to the next

part of qualifying. Has Vergne done enough, he goes 15th. Ricciardo is

about to see the chequered flag. He is not as quick but he is still in

there, it depends on Gutierrez, as to whether Ricciardo is going to

survive. Maldonado is still going. Maldonado should still drag a lap

but I don't think it is a particularly quick lap from him and

am not sure Gutierrez is going quick enough. Maldonado crosses the line.

He stays 17th. So he is out. That is it from Maldonado. One Williams has

failed to make it through to the second part of qualifying and

Gutierrez has failed. You have to say well done to Jean-Eric Vergne,

he did it. Gutierrez and Maldonado failed, Vergne has scraped through

and both Toro Rossos are in there, but we have lost a Williams and a

Sauber. Ten out of ten for Vergne. He

handled the pressure. It looks like he was slipping away in the garage,

but finds himself sitting. A couple of tenth quicker than his tame mate.

Maldonado's difficult year with Williams coming to an en. He is

leaving the team. He wasn't very complimentary after qualifying last

time. At the end of the day, that was all about being on track at the

right time, and trying to get a quick lap to the end. He couldn't do

it and he is out. So we have lost, listen.

ON RADIO: P 17 Vergne jumped us on that round. Very matter-of-fact, but

that is the case. Maldonado is out, so is Gutierrez. That is

disappointing for the Sauber driver. Charles Pic the fastest of the young

team driver so Caterham car, both will be ahead on the grid of

Marussia with Bianchi just a bit quicker than Max Chilton.

If ever it was about timing the track started off; everybody went

out and it got worse, you have got to really say well done Toro Rosso.

Look, well done everybody. That is what I say, these are treacherous

conditions, the fact that we have had stopped, the fact that every

driver has driven impeccably, but some quicker than others, but there

has not been a big sense of surprises there. It is pretty much

what we expect. Jean-Eric Vergne played it very well. He was

obviously frustrated. He had one chance to get it right and he did do

that. Here are the conditions you are talking about. Visibility also

awful. I don't know why it is but every year Brazil throws up

something like this. It rain in the qualifying or the race or half way

through the race, that is why it is so exciting and I love this place

here because the track is different for those people who want to know

about it. It is anticlockwise which is a different set of circumstances

for the driver, their necks and everything, how they approach it.

Then you add the mix into the wet condition, look at the big, long,

white line, they are so slippery, that is what the driver must make

sure, their rare tyre does not go anywhere close to that or they will

go round. That is about brave Friday the driver but strategy from the

team. There has been times from your point of view as a team principal

where you think we will go now, later it is tough to call, isn't it?

Yes, but you form a view, in my case and we will hear from Gary in a

second, Gary, myself, Trevor, we used to talk about these thing, so

in other words we didn't even have to speak much, we would nod and that

is it. You had an idea and you had a good feel for it and anyone who was

in racing it came naturally. Most teams will have been geared up for

this. When you are in a situation like this and you can see what is

supposed the happen, is it better to stick your head out and listen to

your spotter and see what they are saying? We always had a spotter.

People think I was daft but we used to have guys in fields spots which

way the rain was coming, and honestly, it plays in our favour on

several occasion, so I am sure the system now with all the computers

they probably don't need it but if it was me I would have my guy in the

field. There was a problem with traffic. Maldonado and Mark, that is

very difficult isn't it You are going to get that. I come back to

the thing what Ist -- started with. Compliments to everybody because I

think the drivers behave brilliantly in very difficult circumstances. Let

us look, we can probably see this, this is Grosjean and Max Chilton

ahead of him. It is really tough, isn't it. I don't know why Grosjean

is putting his hand up there. Max Chilton is entitled to it. He is

giving the outside line and Grosjean let the car slide out. He probably

had too much speed. What has he got to do? He is paying his money, he is

a driver, Max Chilton is doing everything right. He hasn't impeded

him, and I don't understand why his hand is going up like that, it was

unnecessary. We have about 90 seconds to go until the session

starts. This is going to be ability timing. Let us catch up. Here is Q2.

Your commentary team. Sebastian Vettel was second fastest to Lewis

Hamilton in that first part. Very light rain expected for Q2 says the

computer. We have a few cars ready to go out an track at the very

beginning. Most Mercedes are at the end of the pit lane. So they are

taking no chances. This time Toro Rosso making sure they are getting

their cars down to the end of testify pit lane. You just don't

know. As we look to the right of the circuit which is beyond turn four it

looks like there is a lot of rain and you look to the left and it is

clear. I can't see any flags but looking at the indication on the

timing screens it looks like that is weather that has passed us over.

What is behind us? The rain is pick pg up a bit in the paddock. It is

not damning the thousands ya. , damping the enthusiasm.

Maybe it is an opportunity for Ferrari to do something special.

Second part of qualifying is under way, and the first cars out of are

the two Mercedes of Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton. We have Kovalainen's

Lotus, both Toro Rossos this time, of Vergne and Ricciardo, and it was

clear if you weren't out early you were were struggling. Vergne only

just made it through. Definitely the beginning was the best. I have to

put my back slapping machine on Kovalainen. That was a fast lap. It

shows if you have the commitment and determination you can pull it out.

That is a very good point. His lap was very good. I wonder if he is

going to be able to repeat that in the second part of qualifying. What

else impressed you from the list that we saw there? If you look at

everybody and those condition, pushing as add hard as they did. So

everyone has respect for the circuit. This is where the pressure

starts. If the forecast is right it will be the end of testify session

that count, you have to put a banker in but it will be the end you have

to get it right. You are probably having to save an intermediate set.

Yes, if you get in the top ten you will have to go again. So you have

to look after them. Onboard with Mark Webber so we are looking into

his visor there, different camera angle to the one we normally have,

but great to enjoy his last race with him, looking straight back in

his face, Fernando Alonso's girlfriend in the Ferrari pit

waiting to see what Fernando can do. No front row starts for Fernando

Alonso, but he performs well in these slippery condition, we saw

last year he got a couple of pole positions in these situation, so I

wonder whether he will do anything this time? Doesn't look like free

practise, we have seen Nico Rosberg power steering through. It doesn't

look like Ferrari has unleashed some performance, unless he finds himself

on an out of track condition qualifying sessions where he just

gets that small window of performance, I think we are more

likely to see a Mercedes pushing for pole position. Nico Rosberg was

quickest in both sessions in the wet on Friday. Hamilton is behind him on

track. Hamilton system a fraction quicker but by only 900th --s of a

second. Kovalainen is about a tenth off the pace. More than a tenth off

the pace of Hamilton, through the first sector. This middle sector

probably defines the lap time in these condition, would you say? The

middle sector so crucial when its slippery is probably going to have

more of an effect on your overall lap time? ? The middle sector has

been where the main part is won or lost. You can compromise in wet and

dry conditions but running lighter downforce which gives you

granddaughter speed in this part of the lap, but you start to struggle.

He is faster than Hamilton by half a second. So let us see what the lap

time is right. I think that Hamilton has lost a bit in the mid sector. I

am not sure he can beat that lap. Is he faster? No, he is not. That half

a second, he gained back a little in the final sector but he lost nearly

five tenths. That could be just confidence in the car. It could be

the difference of set up based on what they expect the race conditions

tomorrow. This is only part of the story of course. It is all about

trying to get the points in the Grand Prix on Sunday. Jean-Eric

Vergne has gone forth, Ricciardo has gone a fraction quicker in third. We

are getting used to this on-board shop for one of the last times, the

distinctive crash helmet design of Marco Weber. -- Marco Weber. -- Mark

Webber. He dropped back, the two Red Bull is running quite close

together. He is quickest at this point. The Red Bull ahead of the two

Mercedes by just under a tenth of a second. All you are trying to do is

get in the top ten here, it is not about being fastest, you need to

look after the tyres. Kovalainen is only 10th, he needs to find a bit

more pace to be safe and secure. You always cut the pit lane entry line,

it is standard practice here. A good lap, perfect conditions for him to

show his skills. He did a good job in Austin. It was a power slide from

the Force India of Adrian Sutil, he has two lift out of it. He is

currently 10th fastest, Valtteri Bottas. Just seeing the vortices of

the aerodynamics, a lot more humidity in these conditions. You

can visibly CVS flow. Jenson -- see the airflow. Webber has been told we

expect this light rain for ten minutes. Can Hulkenberg it into the

top ten again? Webber goes third. It should put him safe. As long as the

track conditions don't hugely change. This is Hamilton climbing up

the hill. I don't expect this last sector to be quickest of all but it

should be an improvement on the lap. He goes third, but no position

change. He was three tenths of the best we have seen so far and slower

than what he managed earlier. Both Toro Rossos in the top ten so

far. Neither of the Force Indias in the top ten. Hulkenberg is still

down in 15th. It looks like the top three are just doing cool laps. None

of them improving. They are either looking for track position or trying

to cool the tyres. This is not a timed lap in terms of him trying to

improve. All using the intermediate tyres, giving enough water

clearance, there is not too much standing water. What happened to

Kovalainen? Maybe a mistake. Loses the back end of the car. Always a

compromise to try to get enough back to load. A big power slide, drift

off the back of the breaks from Paul di Resta. -- the brakes. You are

trying to avoid a snap of the rear. You have to take out front wing when

you put the intermediate tyres on and it takes load of the front axle

and takes away the tendency for it to want to snap. Then you are trying

to control the peaks of talk that you get from the engines. Next year

there are going to be dealing with a lot more to

Hulkenberg tried to get into the top ten. Usually Sutil is quick in the

wet. I guess he is going to put a new set of intermediates on. We have

just seen Kovalainen, bit of work going on on his car. He has been in

the pit lane for a few moments. What does Button do? It is a slight

improvement in time. There is Heikki Kovalainen's car. And Grosjean. They

are waiting to service Grosjean before sending him out. Timing is

going to be everything. It is about being out there when the track is at

its quickest. It will be quickest at the end, they think. There is a life

pit stop taking place on Lewis Hamilton's car. It is very busy down

here. We have the Toro Rossos coming in, everybody is going to go for a

new set of intermediatess. They know the danger of sitting out in the

pits. We have seen teams make mistakes on so many occasions. You

have got to be out there when the track is at its best. A good first

sector from Vettel but not the best of all. Temperatures here are better

than for the first set. It is all to do with the preheating. What they

are talking about on the radio is the temperature they have preheated

the tyre to. They have changed the preheating and are hoping for more

grip on the second run. They don't have the queueing up at the end of

the pit lane, losing temperature. The benefit is that Vettel improves

further. These tyres go on, straight out of

the blankets, he will leave the pit lane and get straight into a hard

lap. The breaks are hot because we are well enough into the collar

firing sessions. In theory it gets easier for the drivers to manage the

preparation. It was a mistake that McLaren and Mercedes made earlier in

Malaysia. We have a fastest first sector from Felipe Massa. Flying in

the Ferrari, his last outing for Ferrari in qualifying. Can he keep

it going for the rest of the lap? Let's see whether he can maintain

that pace. A lot of quick guys out there. Mark Webber improving his own

time in the first sector. Paul di Resta going better, he has a chance

of getting into the top ten. The middle sector from Massa is not so

good. It doesn't look as if he will suddenly surprise us. He is only a

tenth or so of what he needs for Ricciardo. Massa crossing the line

in six, you would think it might be reasonably safe. Still a bit of a

way to go. Three minutes to go. Hulkenberg is not there in terms of

the lap time he needs. A bit of a wobble from the Force India, they

might be struggling to get the heat in the tyres. They tend to be better

over the long runs and dry conditions. The heat management of

the car enables them to control that. The wet weather is not

dampening Adrian Sutil's girlfriend's view. Hulkenberg

scraped in. He goes second, look at that, a

great lap from Fernando Alonso. Grosjean has just gone six fastest.

He may even go fastest in the middle sector -- go fastest, he is fastest

in the middle table. Yes, he tops the table. More changes coming up, I

am sure. Alonso's lap shows the track conditions are pretty good.

Kovalainen has just improved his lap time. Bottas is not there yet, Perez

is footing. Jenson Button hasn't done enough yet -- Perez is 14th.

Kendra Keanu get in the top ten? Fax --

can Ricciardo get in the top ten? Kovalainen is on a quiet lap. Look

at where he is on the circuit. He will get one final lap to get

through. Look at the rain, visibly heavier. It could well be an locked

in top ten. It might be too late for Kovalainen, he is 11th at the

moment. His team-mate has gone fastest. It looks as though the rain

is coming down more heavily. The last chance for Kovalainen. Di Resta

is in his last chance, so is Bottas, Perez, Button and Sutil. It is

impressive that Button has improved his first sector. He is coming up

over the rise, locking the wheel, you can see the understeer. They

tend to under rotates the wheel in dry conditions. I suspect it is

something you have to drive with and manage in these conditions. This

last part of the lap seems to be more slippery. Button qualified on

the front row last year and went on to win the race. He is seven tenths

down on where he needs to be. Everyone is going slower in this

middle sector. I think it is all over. Webber is slower in the middle

sector. It looks as though we might have two Toro Rossos in the top ten.

Sergio Perez has hit the wall. That will bring out yellows, if not the

red flag. The chequered flag is out so I guess they don't need the red

flag. It looks as though our top ten is set. Perez is out, as is Jenson

Button. Perez was quicker than Button before that but a sad end to

his McLaren career, as Sergio Perez crashes in Q2. This is to turn four.

He controls it there but as he goes through five, he gets out onto the

kerbs and goes on a high-speed journey to the wall. Thankfully the

impact was lower than the damage looks.

RADIO: Are you OK? Yes, I am OK. Making sure of the most important

aspect, that the driver is OK. It was getting worse and worse and he

just got onto the kerb. Once you go onto the painted curbs you have got

to lift out and he tried to stay with it, and that is the result. --

curbs. Over the course of the season he has

out-qualified him on ten occasions. He has actually come out on top. He

wouldn't have wanted to end it like that.

The other key loss was Heikki Kovalainen. He had been going well

and we thought he might scrape in but I think the rain caught him out.

Yes, you have got to be on the track at the right time. He was doing a

slow lap at the time the rain came and it is about having that crystal

ball. I think it sums up how difficult this McLaren has been to

drive, that Jenson Button finds himself in 15th. Good efforts from

Paul di Resta, Bottas is growing in confidence. Bottas shakes the hand

of the Williams guys. Heikki Kovalainen is out. Sergio Perez

crashing out in the end. Both McLarens not in the next part.

It was fascinateling conditions and tricky conditions here as we can

see. -- fascinating. We can't see them because of the rain, you can

see the shots of the rain coming off there, the visibility is bad for the

driver, and not the way that Perez would want to end that session,

trying too hard. Perez, again, I want to compliment the driver. Perez

is the only person who had that big mistake and hit the wall. But we are

going to be on full wet. You are smack on there. Nevertheless, let us

not be too surprised if some teams go on to the intermediates towards

the end of the final session. Now they know they are in the top ten

they will have a go. Perez lost it. Maybe the car is too low, you don't

eknow where the floor touched the grouped with the water effect, this

circuit is so undulating it has little rivers and they cause mayhem

over years gone by. Let us look at it from another angle. It seems

there were a few moments where the track improved slightly enough for

Grosjean and the deluge caught everybody out. What happens is you

get your mind set into a way that you want to go into this race, and

you just lose, you know the focus changes, because the rain is coming

down in ter rents. It is awesome what is going on here. -- forrence,

we have seen rain here in Brazil but not as heavy as this. It is coming

down like cats and dogs. So, so Perez. Thank goodness he is OK. Paul

di Resta is now talking though to Leigh.

We will let you stand under the umbrella. Such difficult condition,

how do you feel after that? Was there any more you could be giving

when the flag came out, the session was limited with Sergio Perez's

crash. I think unfortunately, this first set of tires -- tyred didn't

switch on, we got in early, got out but the conditions were

deteriorating, but to be P 12, after only doing six laps all weekend, I

messed FP 1, and competitive lap times, I am satisfied with that,

going into a race that is looking like it should be dry, autumn though

today should have been, who has done the best work on the simulator

womaning here, nobody hassed in idea what it is going to be. How could

this be? He looks like he is pleased to be off the track and not

surprisingly so. What he said is important to remember about the

simulator, most people now, if tomorrow is dry, it would be pot

ruck or whatever they wound up with, in the simulator. -- luck. That is

how they will run the car. They have to be careful about the wing

settings and stuff like that to comply with the regulations but the

car will be set up as they came here, on Thursday, for the set up of

the car before the car is has ran, so it is all to play for. Max

Chilton went out in Q1, and he caught up with Leigh.

Max, it looks difficult conditions out there, how tough was it? It is

very challenging. We got practise over this weekend

luckily in the tricky condition, but when you have to go straight out and

on your first lap you don't know where the limit is s and I just had

a big moment coming out of turn 3, luckily got away with it. Lost too

much speed on the straight. The next lap it was raining too much. It's a

fine line, you have to get it right. Yeah, well, we can see Sergio

Perez's car being removed from the track, in these, well, frankly

appalling condition, and we have heard that Q 3 will be delayed by

ten minute, or so, because of the weather, so, we wait to see if that

will improve. As I am saying that it seems as though it has got brighter,

so it changes from minute to minute here. It is incredible. David said,

we have got altitude here and therefore it is very hard to clearly

depict what is going to happen. The other thing about the delay, I

wouldn't be surprised, there is no way the medical helicopter could fly

in conditions like this, so there are a number of reason, it is not

down to poor old Perez, we must not blame him for this not happening.

There are a number of issue, what we see on the screen here, is I can't

imagine why, the people at home think it is OK. It is very difficult

to see, because in reality, if you like the cloud has engulfed us. I

never really shows, that is is a good shot you can see, everything

misted up. It is absolutely bucketing down, it is constant and

it is that, you know, it is that really thick heavy wet rain that is

causing a problem. Do you want to put the umbrella over me a bit.

Thanks Eddie! I didn't want to get too close for all sorts of reasons!

Who is going to be on pole position? You know, you are the man with the

old crystal ball. Don't schmooze me now. I am not, especially after what

you just said about me! Jean-Eric Vergne let us tack about him. He is

in the top ten shoot out when it start, he will be thrilled about

that, because we have heard, that Jean-Eric Vergne is great guy, a wet

weather master, this could be fantastic for him, because he has

had so much bad luck, to see him go from the top ten. For anyone who is

not wear of the ability of Jean-Eric Vergne, then, this could be the

weekend as you rightly say, this guy is hugely talented and I would say

it was a real cliffhanger, for Red Bull to decide which of their

drivers they were going to take into the main team, because obviously,

Ricciardo has now got the reputation, but Jean-Eric Vergne is

exactly the same mould, the same speed, and the same quality, and he

is a top driver. I would be happy to have him in any team of mine. That

last session was all about timing and unfortunately for Kovalainen it

didn't work out. Looking at satellite map, which says it is

rain, I could have told you that! But there you go. It is about

ticking your head out and looking at what the weather is doing. It

doesn't look to change very much at the moment. We will keep you

informed. The The great thing about this we probably see the top ten all

higgledy-piggledy. When it hopefully becomes a dry race tomorrow it will

be exciting. The last few races haven't been filled with the

excitement we have been used to in years gone by, that is because of

the dominance of Vettel. Well done for him to make sure he is top of

the draw. It would be nice to see if he is beaten for pole. I believe

there is a chance for Grosjean, there is a chance, we are saying

hello to Paul again, there is a chance for Hamilton. Let us see what

does happen, but my guess is it will not be Vettel. You have been saying

all day today you think is going to be Hamilton. Rosberg was yesterday

fastest in both sessions, we are looking at pictures of Hulkenberg

there, another guy that can be terrific in the wet, but it must be

nerve-wracking, he has wander off. I wonder if, how difficult, tell you

what, let us go up to the commentary box where David is sitting. He has

driven here in the wet and he beat Michael Schumacher one year here who

was a weather master himself. In fact, we won't do that, because

David just popped out. He has gone for a comfort break. He has

returned. He is running back as we speak. David, are you donning

hopefully he is donning his mic and headphones. I just wondering from ra

driver's persecretive. Sorry I caught you out there. We are happy

we caught you out. Could you put some, you know, meat

on the bones for us, because we are are only used the driving in normal

cars and that is tricky enough. What makes this track particularly

difficult is the fact you have the elevation change so naturally water

will find its way down the hill, it doesn't consider whether that gives

standing water for the drivers or not. When you go through the Senna

curve at the first three corners, you have all this different water

patches, so you are not only trying to find your line, you are trying to

judge how much water is there. Looking at Daniel Ricciardo, of

course, driver for Toro Rosso at the moment, but a driver who will be

competing with Red Bull next year. Joining us from the pit wall, team

prince Pam Christian Horner, you have both top name drivers into the

top ten but both Toro Rosso drivers are there. It is working out well

for you at the moment. Yes, both guys have done well to get into the

top ten, seeing as they were on the border of being knocked out in Q1,

so, to have four Red Bull cars is obviously very good. Any worrying

moments for yourselves? Mark Webber needed to draw a lap out earlier on

in Q1, but otherwise they seem to have been pretty comfortable. He got

a bit messed up with foreign doe and compromised his first lap, which was

an important lap, but he managed to get a lap in and navigate his way

into Q2. The problem now is, you need more of a boat than a car with

the conditions the way they are. Yes, I mean it has got worse, we

have images on the screens as you have, of how much water is standing

on the track. Extreme wets will be needed, but at the moment, are we

beyond being able to go out on the extreme wets do you think? I think

so, the problem as DC know, the rivers that form across the circuit,

and once the car aquaplanes, you are just a passenger, and because of the

gradients in the track here, these rivers form, and particularly in the

last sector, and in the middle sector, so it is safety above

everything in these conditions. Given the changeable conditions we

are seeing here, have you had to compromise the set up beyond normal

putting the wets on and allowing the car to raise its height naturally

because of the depth and the width of the tyre, is there any other

compromises you have done? Not too much to be honest. I mean you are

trying to come up with a car that has a broad window of balance across

the three types of tyre. If it gets to be on slicks it is the first time

we have will have run slicks all weekend. That will be a voyage into

the unknown. You are stabbing in the dark and trying to achieve the best

ambulance you can in these conditions. What do you rely on? Do

you let the engineer and driver put their ing finger in the air and use

their experience or are you draw morgue on the simulation and the

operational rapes the teams have back at base? We have the operations

at base, we have Adrian on the line back in Milton Keynes, and you know,

so we are fully supported to the link back to the factory, the data

and information we have from the race last year, where it was similar

conditions, it is a very good reference for us to be able to use.

Thank you for joining us, we will see how the final part goes when it

gets going. Thanks the a lot. Good shots of Sergio Perez looking fine,

that is the scene here in Interlagos, Brazil for qualifying,

the rain is pouring drown, we have a slight delay. Let us hear from

Jenson Button, who has been talking to Leigh. This is nice, at least we

are under umbrella, how tricky was it on the track today? Q1 wasn't. It

felt pretty good. Q2 there was more water on the circuit. We, we haven't

been out in the wet, we have been trying to save tyres, and we have

proven that was the wrong call. But rounds off the year nicely and one

more day of pain, and then we can start working on hopefully a good

car next year. The car you were out there in today, you can make changes

for tomorrow because you are not in the top ten, what was it set up for

and what is tomorrow's forecast looking like? We have, we have got

pretty low down Fox we fell it was working yesterday but we didn't run

when it was very wet. We are struggling to get the tyre pressure,

however high we go with the temperature of the tyre, so it is

something, it is like a switch, today, as I said in Q1 the car was

working well and relatively quick. We are not in Q2 when it is wet. It

came in the last corner, turn 14 and I was three tenths up and I got to

that 10.14. There was a river running across circuit and I lifted

it and the three tenths was gone. Tomorrow is supposed to be a bit

drier. You lovb obviously love your job, are you at the stage it is one

more sleep? Yes. Thanks Jenson. Just two minutes to go now, until Q 3. It

sounds as toe the depth of the condition, the treacherous

conditions have caught McLaren out. They wanted some rain and were

hoping to make it to Q3. It is indicative of their season. Jenson

didn't look a happy camper there, for a guy not that many years ago

was celebrating his World Championship here. And granddaughter

great memory, last year, success, He won. Absolutely. So the reality is

that McLaren, they want the see the back of this year, unless a miracle

happens tomorrow, they need to finish on the podium to have any joy

going home. A further ten minute delay I am hearing, to the next

session. So we will have a little chat about Heikki, that is due to

the volume of water standing on the track, that is far too dangerous for

the cars to go out. So let us hear from Heikki.

It looked like there was work going on on your car in Q2? Not really.

Changing tyres. You were holding position Yes holding in the pit lane

and trying to find the right time. No problems with the car, the car is

performing as well as Jed -- yesterday. How do you think it will

translate to tomorrow, are we expecting a dry race? Can you ever

tell here? We can't tell, we don't have a clear weather forecast, today

was supposed to be better and it wasn't really much better, so, to be

honest I have no problem with the condition, I enjoy driving in the

rain. It is not an excuse, it is the same for everybody. In qualifying

you have to be there at the right time to nail the lap. We didn't do

it well enough today. In the race, you know, the conditions you know,

anything can happen in these condition, so I have to keep pushing

and I still do a good race, but it would be easier further up the grid

but there you go. So Heikki speaking frankly, you saw ten minutes to go

until the next session starts. It is, it is frustrating I think, as a

motor sport fan to think Heikki isn't going to get a drive next year

when he is doing so well. Shown what he can do. It is a sign of the times

of course but very frustrating. Particularly because we are talking

about a Grand Prix winner. It was sad to see he was not driving in a

permanent seat this year. It was only halfway through the season that

cater decided they should bring him along for his experience. --

Caterham decided. As a result of that he has the drive that he had at

Lotus. I think he will do an amazing job in the race tomorrow. We have

just been joined by the man from last week, Valtteri Bottas. You

stand out in the rain, Eddie. Took us through the conditions. -- talk

us through. It was quite tricky. In the beginning it was about getting a

very good lap in the first lap and after that, every lap was slower and

slower. Q2 was getting more wet. We have seen that the more wet it is,

we have been struggling more and more. We were hoping for more dry

conditions. We will think positively for next year, your new team-mate,

Massa and yourself, looking forward to that? Definitely, looking forward

to working with Felipe, he has so much experience and it is good that

it is from a team like Ferrari. It is good for us, really looking

forward to it. Do you know him quite well? I met him once when we did the

announcement at the factory. He seems like a nice guy and there

should be no problems. How relieved... You don't have to be

Einstein to work out the maths, there are more drivers than seats.

How relieved are you that you got the seat that you wanted? Of course,

it is a big relief. It was always in my head that I would continue with

Williams, I didn't doubt it. But it is Formula 1, nothing is sure unless

it is confirmed. It is very nice to know what is going to be in the

future so of course, it is a relief. Thank you very much, I am sure you

want to have a cup of tea and we would love you to bring a couple

out! Let's go to the commentary box and get their thoughts.

Comes we have some shots from the helicopter above the circuit and it

is looking pretty awful -- COMMENTATOR: We have some shots from

the helicopter above the circuit. We are expecting another report at

five minutes past the hour. We should hear something more in a

couple of minutes. That chap's hair was straight before he came to the

circuit! We should remind ourselves where we are in the world, the only

thing that is missing is the actual rainforest, it has been cleared to

create this vast, sprawling city that is Sao Paulo. The conditions

are what you would expect in the rainforest. We have seen it many

times. It has been the dry season of racing since 1987, apparently. It is

making up for it now. It is an amazing circuit, the city surrounds

it. On every side there are buildings, houses, businesses. I am

sure it was not like this when it was first built. It was built around

the time of the Second World War and I am sure Sao Paulo wasn't as

sprawling as it is now. 11.5 million people in the centre of city, 20

million in the outlying regions and its surrounds the track.

million in the outlying regions and its surrounds It does and apparently

it was built on land considered not suitable for housing. Quite why it

you would think it was suitable for racing cars... There is the

opportunity for locals to make some extra money with providing parking

when we come in here. There has been hugely relevant in Brazil since I

first came into racing in Formula 1. It will continue as they head

towards the World Cup next year and the Summer Olympics couple of years

later. A huge growth in sport and the economy. It is just that the

weather is not something they can control. We have seen many wet

Brazilian Grand Prix and changeable conditions, it does usually provide

an exciting event. We just want to see some cars on track. It is purely

down to the amount of water on track, the reason we are not seeing

anything out. We just saw the third driver at Lotus, who sadly missed

out on the opportunity to replace Kimi Raikkonen. He has clearly been

disappointed about that committee has said as much, almost reluctant