Episode 7 Late Kick Off North East and Cumbria

On tonight's Late Kick Off, an exclusive interview with

Sunderland's Fraizer Campbell. was a hard 18 months for me, quite

emotional. Just how important is the role of

skipper? And tie inverses we're from jested year - we look forward

to Sunday's big derby. Hello, welcome to Late Kick Off.

We'll be hearing from England's newest striker tonight, and Danny

Mills and I are joined by a man who managed Fraizer Campbell in his

most productive season. It's South Shields' favourite son - well,

apart from Joe McElderry - Phil Brown is with us.

We did a top-five of dodgy North East moustache is last week, how do

you plead? And the hairstyle as well! Happy

days are at Hartlepool? Fantastic days. Your first football club, you

cut your teeth in professional football. From electrician to that,

is miles apart. And it started off at the Red

Duster pub in South Shields. Last week, Sunderland's Fraizer

Campbell received his first call up to the England squad. Stuart

Pearce's selection for Wednesday's friendly against Holland, topped

off an incredible few weeks for the young striker. It's less than a

month since Campbell made a goal scoring return, after two cruciate

ligament injuries, kept him out of the game for a year and a half.

Simon Pryde has been to meet It was a shock and really, be it

was nothing really, I changed direction a little bit and then

just felt pain in my knee. I remember trying to walk, and I was

thinking, that is definitely not right. It was a strange feeling at

first, because I have never been out for more than a couple of weeks,

until I went for the scan and they said you are out for six months.

You have got your leg up all the time, machines attached to you,

every half an hour, watching TV all the time, it is boring as hell.

It was in the warm-up against Man City ironically you had a relapse?

I put my neck out and it went again. It was not as painful the second

time, but I was hopeful I had not done it again but deep down I knew

it was bad. I was so close, and had been through all that hard work for

six months and knowing I had to start all over again...

How did you keep going during those times? It was tough. I have my

family and friends who were always rhyme me. The guys at the training

I have been chatting to a lot of the fans on Twitter and they always

give me encouragement about my injuries. Things like that help you

get through it sometimes, when you have a bad day and you are thinking,

it has been forever, comments like that cheer you up.

During the time out he went to games with the supporters didn't

you? Yes, a rubbish disguise! us about it. My dad and his mates

go to every home game and some of the away games. One time they were

going to Blackpool and asked me to come. Presumably got recognised

immediately. No, people were looking thinking, what is he doing

here? Is that really him? But because people did not expect me to

be sure that people do not question it until the end of the game when I

took my hat off and people started recognising me then. Going out to

train I was more nervous - waiting for 18 months it was more pure

excitement and I was just ready to go out there and play. No fear,

just get me out there, please, because it has been for too long!

You on the bench against Middlesbrough and you got your

chance earlier in the match then you expected? I was happy to be

sitting there soaking in the atmosphere, and then they said, get

ready to come on at half-time. I was ecstatic. It was a mixed bunch

of emotions - when you score a goal you are ecstatic, but it was a hard

18 months for me so it was quite emotional as well. It graced -- it

embraced all those doubts in my mind, would I be back and be able

to score, it proved to myself that I can do it.

Phil Brown is our studio guest. A very successful time you had at

Hull city. It paid off. People don't really watch the Belgian

League, but it was a great platform for myself. Been a remarkable

turnaround Fraizer Campbell has been handed his first call-up to if

England's senior squad... Surprised as well - I am really delighted to

be part of it, just honoured. It is hard to think long term, especially

when you have been out for so long. I just want to be fit and happy,

but's it! That will do me nicely. You heard his tribute to you - 15

goals in that promotion season. He is clearly there -- very cheerful

there, but what he is he like on a day-to-day basis? He is one of the

best characters I worked with in management. He was such a bubbly

character to be a rhyme, and to see him going through that, it there

was torment in his face when he talked about the time he spent on

the sidelines. But his family and friends are his greatest allies.

His father was his agent, and I spent a lot of time talking to his

dad about how he saw his career. We got a Manchester United player and

he was, he was that quality. To get us to where he got us, and you sort

Nicky Barmby playing the ball through, Campbell doing his bit and

then playing back to Dean Windass - that was the magic circle if you

like, they were the better players, and they migrated towards each

other, and Fraizer drifted towards Bombay so clever and so often. But

he wants to be out there, he is a boy at heart. Danny, when you have

done double cruciate, I am trying to imagine what it feels like when

you go into your first really competitive challenge. Your mind

must play havoc, but a piece of your body has snapped twice. Well,

I broke my leg and came back from a fracture after that, but you have

done your training, and it is bizarre - it is not something you

actually think about. If you do, you almost have to call it a day.

So all the stuff he would have done, he would have been ready and

desperate to get back again. What does Stuart Pearce see that may be

Sir Alex Ferguson does not? It is fantastic for him, he has done

really well, come back, had a big impact, but you have to worry. We

are going into the euro championships and penning our hopes

on strikers that have played two or three games this season. Phil, we

saw your finest hour in management, there have been dark moments before,

we did a radio programme together before Christmas, and your answer

was very evocative and has stuck with me. We talked about what it

felt like as a manager to be sacked for the first time. It is in very

public forum, and I will never forget your answer. Are you going

to give me the same one night? have just looked at, we have been

talking about Lee Clark, he is in his first job as a manager. Having

had a better football career than mine, he played the highest level,

and then he has gone into management and got the sack, third

in the table. But he cannot wait to get back in, once it is in your

blood... But it is such a public forum, and it is almost a

humiliation because most of us can make our mistakes and get our

marching orders quite quietly, but as a football manager everyone is

talking about it. You said you felt you had let your family down.

feel as though you have let everybody down, but you are in

charge of the football club, you are the holders of the key to the

future, hopefully. Hopefully it is bright, and with Preston North End

and Derby County it was not so good. But I served my time under some

Allardyce, under all we said to him I want to become number 11 day. He

let me have my wings and a few away one day. I don't think I will go

back to being a number two. Such a topsy-turvy world, that most of us

would aspire to acquit -- career trajectory that would leave us when

we retire at the very top. But in your game, one minute you are the

Premier League 1 minute you are in League 1... You have to keep your

cool family in your site. My goal is up there, unfortunately it

deviate. At Hull city I was well on my way to achieving my goal, but

when you get the sack from Preston you wonder where your next move is.

Sometimes you have to take a step backward before you step forward

again. I cannot wait for the next challenge, to get my teeth into a

project that has a chance, a chance of giving me chance more to the

point. We weren't actually serious last

week when we asked you to share your sports injury photos. But

thanks anyway to Richard Kippin, Chris Embleton, David Douglas, Neil

Wanless and Rob Oliver. Although we aren't showing your photos, some of

them were quite frankly horrific. On your screen now is all the

information you need to talk to us Yes, Sport Relief is on the 23rd

March, and will hopefully will raise lots of money for people who

really need it, in the UK and in the world's poorest countries. I

suspect Hartlepool fans may be hanging on to their pennies. They

might need to buy a few new defenders. 5-0 down. The best bit

about it was the warm-up, they got about it was the warm-up, they got

that right. What a disaster. Sometimes you get days like that,

but he has had some good days so far. He has arrested the situation

at home. This is the one, what is that about? What can a manager do

about that? Nothing, apart from appeal for offside. As a manager,

you can practise all week, put your preparation into wit, and then you

go out and your players let you down. Er y a collectively? White is

it that you do that training, everything is perfect and then it

goes wrong? -- but why? You watch the five goals and every one of

them is a mistake by an individual. You put it together and you go 5-0.

You put it together and you go 5-0. The manager has to carry the can.

He will be is doing on that all week in the same way Greg Abbott

was stewing about 4-0 defeat. Look at that, he is watching the warm-up

there. Into the top six, they have responded the right way. You take

responded the right way. You take the two differences in terms of

last week's result and it was an 83rd minute winner. Greg was at the

north-west a sports writers' dinner. Was he? He questioned was it harder

to win the John since Payne Trophy than Mancini to win the FA Cup? --

Johnson Payne Trophy. Winning in that division, it is a tough job.

What about the emotion he is showing it? Can you relate about

relief after the heavy defeat last week? Question marks have been

raised behind the scenes about Greg. He is a fighter, a feisty character.

Last week's defeat took its toll on him. He has gone back to training

and would have demanded a and would have demanded a

performance prompt -- from his players. Regardless of what do you

think, whether it was a great performance, he gets a win in the

93rd minute and it is great. I feel the him, it was a great job.

Fantastic feeling. Second anniversary, E better explain that,

the greatest ever achievement, because it left me wondering what

you were talking about. The second you were talking about. The second

anniversary of the Cup this week. Reading are third in the table,

they are pushing for automatic promotion. An ex colleague of mine,

a spectacular free-kick taker, had a hand in both goals. It is no

disgrace to get beaten by Reading. They have had a tough time lately,

but if they can bounce back after this... Losing to Reading, there is

no shame in now. They need to go on no shame in now. They need to go on

towards the end of the season and try and get in the play-offs.

Bounce back! England's clash with Holland on

Wednesday will be the national team's first outing since John

Terry was stripped of the captaincy and the fallout led to Fabio

Capello's dramatic resignation. But why did the Italian feel so

strongly about losing his on field leader? Well, believe it or not,

they've been examining the role of the football captain at Northumbria

University. So we thought we'd get It is a real credit to be captain

It is a cold Tuesday night in Gateshead and it is time for Ben

Clarke to step up. To be captain of the football club, whatever

football club, the manager should respective. You have got to lead by

example and do the right things. is a good talker in the dressing

room. He leads by example on the pitch. If he does good things, the

rest of the boys look up to him as well. The former Hartlepool and

Sunderland defender has been a leader on the pitch all his life.

He has even captain the England Under 20s. A manager can only do so

much. He gives instructions from the sidelines, but he looks after

his captain to get the point across It takes guts to be captain, to be

the right man to lead your side to glory. And there's the occasional

perk to the job: Do well and you It has been the high point,

obviously. It is a dream to play at Wembley and lift the winning trophy,

it is unbelievable. Reward for five years of wearing the armband

through thick and thin. We would love to lead by example, every one

of us, but there will be games where it you're not yourself. If

your attitude is right, they will respect you for that. It is about

your demeanour. So captains play an important role, but why did Capello

feel so strongly about the loss of his skipper that he was prepared to

walk away so close to a major championships? Our research

suggested that managers saw the role of the captain as being an

extension of themselves on the pitch. Although managers were able

to get on the pitch themselves, they saw the captains as being

their extended arm in influencing the game. Potentially, Capello

could have seen the FA as cutting off his arm when he selected Don

Terry and they decided his selection was not appropriate at

that time. I've heard that it is like losing an arm, I can see that

point. He must see something in me that resembles himself. I took his

I was hoping we would have an adult talk, but you have been whispering

in my ear. What is it? I think we make far too much of the captaincy

at times. It is just a glorified coin toss, effectively. Senior

players are more important than me. It does not matter who the captain

is out of that. You did captain England for a little while, didn't

you? Yes. You can see the evidence here. Did you lead by example they?

Of course, it is all about winning, it does not matter how you win!

That is your approach! As captain, you would show example, Real True

grit? For me, it is more about the senior players. I came in as

probably the most experienced player, but I was not captain, but

I still did exactly what the captain would do. I saw my role and

that was it, to lead the team, talked to other players. Because of

the David Beckham industry, around the England captaincy, the captains

become a media spectacle. Most countries hit to the player with

the highest caps. What do you want as a manager at? You have got a

senior management group and team in your changing room. If you have

four or five professionals you can grab individually than collectively

and get your word across, you can take a step back as a manager. As a

captain, since the days when others 21 all the way through, my manager

was the biggest influence on me. He gave me privilege and information

at times and I passed that information on. Sometimes, you have

to be careful in the changing rooms. In this culture, can you afford to

put your camp in into your inner sanctum and give him the sinker --

pour your captain into your inner sanctum? Captains, we have looked

at various examples, you have got your people like John Terry and

those guys who lead by example with the armband and where their arm --

a badge with pride, and then you have the captains like Keegan who

play on the front line and lead by example. Pure respect from the

other players? Absolutely forced off Steven Gerrard is a big laugh -

- a bit like that. He is not a big talker. There is a bigger role to

be played in the team. There are a lot of great players with a lot of

experience that have not been captains that are just as important.

Fraizer Campbell... When Fraizer Campbell landed his

place in the England squad, Newcastle defender Danny Simpson

tweeted these words: "@Fraizer Campbell is my mate and I'm happy

for him. But everyone knows next weekend, for 90 minutes, it's a

different story, ha ha ha ha." It is of course the Tyne-Wear derby on

Sunday, a local rivalry that dates back to the English Civil War. Well

we're not going back to Roundheads and Cavaliers. But to whet your

Apology for the loss of subtitles for 121 seconds

appetite, we've had a dip into the I would like to bring you up to

speed up with your music. That was Frankie Goes to Hollywood and New

Order. Where is this game going to be played at the weekend? The fans

have laid the St James's Park to wreck -- to rest. We have had a

mock funeral. A lot of all video -- all people in this video! What do

you think about this? It is always going to be sent James's Park for

me. Some are even crying here! have moved site. It is absolutely

crazy. It is phenomenal, isn't it? It is, but have -- that is how

strong the feelings are. New stadiums, long and they get

sponsored. I wasn't a fan of that. Yet again he has done it, he has

been nailed it. If you move to a new stadium, like Phil did, you can

get away with that, all the Emirates. But to remain such an

iconic part of football, I think it is ridiculous. Did we ever put you

on the spot and ask you if you were a Newcastle or a Sunderland fan? He

probably sat on the fence. I am red and white. I went to my first game

at Newcastle. You found it a softer environment elsewhere. Absolutely.

Defensive frailties this week. Sunderland, a bit of a bubble burst

at the weekend about bashing out West Brom. But they did incredibly

well. Martin O'Neill has turned things around. They are in the top

half of the table. Form almost goes out the window in these sort of

games. There has been a lot of talk from Newcastle fans about the

combination of players. People have been looking at goals. Squad comes

in, and we should not forget that some players have been missing.

can read into the stats too much. He has been missing a couple of top

players. But I agree with Dannie Martin a. 10 goals in two games,