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Hello and welcome to the Premier League Show.

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It's deadline day, and in a window that's seen transfer records

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shattered, we're in Manchester, home of the Premier League's

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Spending a little time with me this evening are Shay Given -

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the former Newcastle, Man City, Stoke and Ireland keeper.

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COMMENTATOR: A terrific piece of goalkeeping.

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And comedian and Manchester United fan Justin Moorhouse,

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who's gone early in his excitement for this season.

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Lets start counting chickens. Let's have some knee jerk reaction. Come

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on, let's go. Are you both well? Good to have you here, in your

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semi-coordinated outfits. OK, coming up tonight.

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James Brown deconstructs the modern day transfer -

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we hear from the major players at the heart of a big deal.

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Nathan Caton casts a slightly disparaging eye over the latest

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So cringeworthy it made Alan Pardew's dad dancing look cool.

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And we'll also get the latest update on who's going where,

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as the deadline looms, from Dan Walker in the

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But we're going to start with our customary look back

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on the last seven days in the Premier League.

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COMMENTATOR: Danilova into the penalty area. It's

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Raheem Sterling. Manchester City have won it with the last kick of

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the game. Sterling, having had a yellow card, goes into the crowd.

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There's a second booking for Raheem Sterling, shown a red card. I don't

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understand, I don't understand so hopefully they can call me and

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explain. Ayew is onside, he goes around the goalkeeper and they have

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a second goal. The start of his Crystal Palace rain is not going

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very well at all. Onside, Mitrovic! 3-0, Newcastle. West Ham Place

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three, lost three, conceded ten. It's off Fellaini and income 2-0

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Manchester United and the points are safe. That's a brilliant finish from

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Sadio Mane. They've been by far the better side. We are three games in

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and it's already an absolute nightmare! I would like to go for

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himself, for his own sanity. Where does he go from here? Chris Wood

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equalises for Burnley in added time, at the end of the game, and

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Tottenham's Wembley wobbles continue. Liverpool have agreed to

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sign a player for a club record fee. Moving from Arsenal is Kieran Gibbs,

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who joined Arsenal for ?7 million. Hi, everyone, it's Alex here, I'm De

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Sart -- delighted to have signed for Liverpool. Let's start talking about

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Arsenal, a diabolical start the season, one of the biggest transfer

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season stories of the week, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain moving to

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Liverpool. Klopp wanted him and that results made him go and get him. The

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could be, imagine if Arsenal have won at Liverpool, he'd be worth ?80

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million. Maybe, I'm not saying Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain did it on purpose

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but it's a good way of getting the price down, getting hammered 4-0.

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Your wages go up. I'll do that for you, boss. Arsenal have had such a

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poor start the season, it doesn't look we'll win this, will sell some

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players and make some money while the sun shines. Arsenal is a huge

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football club in the Premier League and they should be signing players.

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This last week leading into the window, Arsene Wenger has come under

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pressure, FA cups have papered over the cracks. Because of such a poor

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start the season, the fans are restless again. They are selling

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some of their best players and it's going to be a difficult season again

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for Arsenal. It's going to be difficult, we are in a World Cup

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year round players want to shine and if you're not playing Champions

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League football, which they are not for the first time in decades, then

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players like Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain want to shine. In terms of managers

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under pressure already, can we talk about De Boer. You get the sense

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he's come to Crystal Palace with this ambition to play Total Football

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and he's looked at the players he's got and is trying perhaps to fit

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square pegs into round holes. Yes, it's a strange appointment in the

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first place because of Sam Allardyce, the physicality of his

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teams and the way they play set plays, more direct, and Frank is

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coming with the Johan Cruyff mentality from Ajax and they want to

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play more football, play through different lines and through defence.

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Which would be great if... You'd love to play sexy football, whatever

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you want to call it, from Holland, but it's going to take some time.

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The only thing I'd say, Allardyce winning last year they really

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struggle for the first five or six weeks, the results weren't turned

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around really straightaway so fans can be patient perhaps and maybe he

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can get his message across to the team. They've gone from boring

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football to De Boer football. OK, this is definitely the most chaotic

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day in the football calendar. As the clock ticks down,

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with the window about to close, the pressure on everyone involved

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increases. Getting the deal done

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is far from simple. James Brown - no, not

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that one - has more. # Moving, just keep moving #.

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They call it the transfer window, but it's more like a transfer

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revolving door. A high-speed flurry of players in and out of clubs,

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broken deals, last-minute medicals, Twitter speculation, tabloid

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rumours, but what's it like to be sold? What's it like to have to find

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a 30 goalie striker? We've been talking to the people inside these

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deals. Its total madness. So addictive, the pressure is

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unbearable to get it right. Everything is transfer window, it's

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crazy. Will hear their stories shortly but first, here's Nick

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Harris of sporting intelligence and the Mail on Sunday, who's been

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crunching some numbers. We are talking with a full day of trading

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left, but we've already more than doubled the amount was spent four

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years ago, we are looking at ?1.5 billion feasibly for this summer. In

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2004, all the 20 clubs combined spend ?250 million, whereas this

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summer, Manchester City by themselves have already spent more

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than that. So basically if you're not spending 40 million quid on a

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fullback it looks like you're not interested in winning the title. As

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for 10 million that's the equivalent of a car-boot sale. What's it like

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to write those checks and bank that money? Steve Parish is Crystal

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Palace chairman and he found Yannick Bolasie, for ?350,000, but sold him

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for ?25 million. That is somebody who knows his business. It's a very,

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very difficult market to work in, because it's a closed market.

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There's a lack of information. We don't really ever know what players

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went for. That's exactly why bought him. Unfortunately, football works

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on the basis of the most profligate person kind of sets the market,

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really, than everything else follows. Trying to find out whether

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money is going, trying to find out if you're getting value for money,

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you're just paying an enormous amount of middlemen is very, very

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difficult. Sometimes agents are working both ends of the deal.

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There's nothing to stop them doing that, particularly in Europe. You

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don't know if you are helping -- if they are helping new or getting you

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to pay more. You will get on the list and it will say, ex-player, the

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fee might be 5-10,000,000. You make the phone call and they won 35 for

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him. OK, we're not going to pay 35. They are saying ten, they are

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telling me 15, 20 million euros. Everybody is trying to win at the

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game. We want to buy low and sell high, don't we? Sometimes it takes a

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whole transfer window for us to come to terms with the value might get

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for a player we sell and what we have to pay to get somebody in.

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People say, why do so much of it happen at the end? Because that's

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when the reality dawns, this is the most I'm going to get for this

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player. I had a situation last season, where an agent told me a

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number. I asked the club and they said because if you are paying a

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player more salary than it can impact on the transfer fee you can

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get, so in this instance I said to the club, he said he's not on that.

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It's very difficult to deal with people if they tell you straight out

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lies. He's a good player, no question over his brilliance, he

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fit. Coutinho said we've all got too much money and we all have. We're

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not in the context of the world game, it's spreading it wisely. It's

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not just because of the internal escalation, it's also because we

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need a certain type of player with certain attributes for this league,

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and that is the player that gets a higher valuation. If you then take

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them and put them into a passing team in Europe, they probably don't

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look like they are worth it, but they don't need those attributes in

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that league. They need different physical attributes in our league. I

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don't think there's any convincing case that the clubs are getting

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better value for money now. Four years ago that was the summer of

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Willian, Lovren, 88 players move for cash and cost 7 million Tupe dashed

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after they cost ?7.2 million each. On average. The cost is now ?14

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million on average. That doubling. Place these occupations in order of

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popularity. Bankers, bailiffs, traffic wardens, football agents.

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Maybe it's unfair, somebody has to do the deals, but last year, English

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clubs spent over ?220 million on agents. What do you get for that? We

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spoke to an agent, to find out. I think the transfer window, if you

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think about it, is pure madness if you think about it. Football is a

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unique model to have all your business done in two times of the

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year, it's quite difficult but it makes it very exciting and

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entertaining. That is the finish of a man who is brimming with

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confidence. My job as an agent in the windows to keep the player calm

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and to keep him focused as what he does best, which is to play

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football. You try to keep them away from the news, from Twitter, from

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all of that. It's also balancing risk and reward, so if a player is

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under contract now, what is the best thing? You may have on offer on the

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table but we don't want to take it because we are hoping another deal

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comes. Where things get interesting is when you're in the final year of

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your contract, like Alexis Sanchez at Arsenal. Do you see out your

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contract? You are than a free agent and any money spent on a transfer

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fee can go towards your salary. The flip side, you get injured, as we

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saw with Ibrahimovic and you risk having no clue about the end of the

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year. Ultimately a decision lies with the player. We are the agents.

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Our job is to bring them the information but it's the player who

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decides in the end. People love to hate agents and they loved to paint

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the players as villains that only are motivated by money. I think

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there's two sides to every story and the clubs will do exactly what they

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want. If they don't want a player they will make it very difficult for

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the player to stay. The agent will be told your player is unwanted, if

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you don't move him his career is going nowhere and you are faced with

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a situation of having to with this player. It seems to go higher. You

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justify because the clubs are willing to play it. Someone is only

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worth what someone is willing to play, so as long as they do it, why

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shouldn't they take it? Anybody watching football from the outside

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would love to earn that money and if they were doing it they would not be

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complaining. It's very easy to sit there and say this is ridiculous,

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outrageous, how can you be earning this amount of money for kicking a

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ball. Maybe you are right but the fact is the money is being offered

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so why not take it? One interesting thing to emerge from the date is the

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changing value by position on the pitch. Four years ago, goalkeepers

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were the cheapest. ?3.3 million on average. Defenders not much more, ?4

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million. Midfielders 8.5 million and strikers ?9.3 million. This summer

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your average goalkeeper is costing ?11 million, not massively more for

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a defender, 13.9, and pretty much the same, ?13.4 million for a

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midfielder, the striker is the most expensive but not massively more,

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?18 million. The market finally appears to be acknowledging it's a

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team game. We all know the Premier League is awash with money, but this

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summer the transfer fees have gone through the roof. They are insane!

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My club, the mighty Leeds United, have almost become a feeder club for

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Burnley. The last time Burnley won the money was in Roman! We bought

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one for ?2.5 million two years ago and he's gone for ?15 million, a

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600% increase. Nuts! What other players make of this? Here's Tyrone

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Mings, from Bournemouth. There's always one person adjusting room who

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will get wind of something and usually spread it around. Football

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is such a small world, but everybody would know someone who knows

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someone. It's a fine environment to be in a dressing room during

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transfer day because if someone is ill for example, everybody is always

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where he -- where is he, is the leading? Is a bit coming through?

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It's fun, just as much as it's stressful. Deep down everybody has a

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price, no matter who you are and no player is bigger than the club.

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There are so many different possibilities as to why a transfer

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could occur. You might not want to leave, but the club might have to

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off-load you, or you might want to leave, but the club is saying no.

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All of a sudden you have to reassess your plans and move your family and

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move somewhere else. When you leave you will get messages of well done

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on your move but in terms of keeping in contact, it's very difficult.

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Football isn't there to give you loads of best friends. They are just

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colleagues, at the end of the day. You may never speak to any of those

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people again. What's fascinating this summer is the change in

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spending depending on the players' age. Four years against the peak age

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for pricing was 28, players costing ?12.3 million per player of that

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age. Then 24, then 25. This summer, it's 24-year-olds at an average of

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?31 million each or the most expensive, that Lukaku, Edison, then

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23. Prices are rising, clubs are spending the biggest money on

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younger players. She will be because they have a resale value. --

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presumably, because they have a resale value. It wasn't always this

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way. There was a time when you are called into the bosses' office and

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he said sorry, your off to Derby. Nowadays -- nowadays the players

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have the power, but these guys remember it the other way. I'd been

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at Everton for a year and just before the World Cup there was a

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little bit of interest at Barcelona. I went off to play in the World Cup,

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then everything went really quiet. We stayed in this hotel in Mexico,

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where you couldn't really get any contact home. We were allowed one

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phone call home a week. I got a call. Just after the game against

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Paraguay. It was my agent, John Holmes. He said, I know I said I

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wouldn't disturb you, he said, but Barcelona have been on to me and

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says that he's got to sign, he's got a fine now, otherwise the deal is

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off. I said, I'm not prepared to talk to anyone. If they want me

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they'll still want me after the World Cup and we'll talk them. So I

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carried on stock we got knocked out in the next round. We met in a hotel

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in London. They took as in secretly through this basement and sneaked me

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up into a lift, into the top floor. I ended up signing for Barcelona. It

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was something I didn't know about at the time, but found out two or three

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years later that when Bobby Robson came to Newcastle as manager, he

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said to me whilst it was Barcelona manager, he tried to sign me when I

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was leaving blackbird. Jack Byrne informed Barcelona I was in full

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sail, so that was the end of it. He went and signed Ronaldo, so it

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wasn't a bad decision. It turned out OK for Bobby and for Barcelona.

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COMMENTATOR: Shearer!

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Is The Premier League is an international league, but players

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from different countries do not all cost the same. Belgium players are

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the most expensive. ?39 million on average. That is down to Lukaku this

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summer. Among countries with more than two players sold, the French

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are the Costliest as ?37 million each, bra dillian, ?21 million,

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Spanish, ?16 million, Austria ?15 million, Dutch ?10.6 million.

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English players are averaging only ?10 million. Scottish players, ?6

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million. Manchester City have spent more money on their defence than

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Norwich City. But would we have it any other way? From tomorrow morning

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they will have to live with what they've got - until January when

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they can do it all over again. I'm sure you sucked into the excitment,

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the tail wagging the dog situation that seems to be Transfer Deadline

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Day. It doesn't seem to be goodbyes. How can it be that everything ends

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up on in the few hours on the final day? A lot of the people doing the

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deals are middle aged men, aren't they? We have seen what they are

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like on Christmas Eve! It's getting more scrambled. Lukaku went for ?75

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million. Early in the window. Neymar for ?200 million. If he went on the

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deadline day, Lukaku could be double that. ?2 million, we are heading

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towards rapidly, potentially the first ?1 billion player? It's going

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to happen. The Neymar clause which triggered the ?200 million. You

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splieth written, 14 donkeys and a unicorn. No-one would ever play ?200

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million they thought two years ago. What would release clauses be like

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now? ?1 billion. We will see the first contract with ?1 billion

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release clause. Figures have gone crazy. You mentioned Neymar has set

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a trend. To see it in black-and-white, the average player

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has gone from ?7 million to ?14 million is ridiculous. Where are we

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going with this? Where will it end up? The word "average" is

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interesting. Average play remembers going for a lot of money. That is

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why Roy Keane has scratched his head. Average players going for

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?30-40 million. Where does the market end? Players with the

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promise. We saw on the the film the average age is coming below. People

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are taking a punt on players hoping it carries on growing. They want

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resale value as well. Like buying racehorses. They are look at

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potential. They can't afford to buy someone at the end spectrum, I

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guess. The bubble has to burst. How many years have we been saying this?

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I know. It feels like it each time. This time next year. We can't

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believe Sanchez has gone to Wigan for ?1 million. As a player was it

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exciting as the media friendsy that surrounds it? I moved to Man City on

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transfer day. I signed before 5.00pm they had a European deadline. It

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wasn't 12.00am. I was waiting by an old-fashioned fax machine, old

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school. I had a medical waiting for the go-ahead from Newcastle to see

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if Manchester City had agreed. You look at your watch, will it be done

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or not. It's nerve-wracking. You made up your mind you want to go.

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You have to commit at something. Looking at houses, on rightmove.

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Were you at a point when you thought you were going to move and it didn't

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happen? Possibly, possibly. That means yes. It's not black-and-white.

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Deals don't go through. Alan Shearer nearly went to Barcelona, who knew

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Imagine that. There's just under 40

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minutes of the window left. For the very latest on who's

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going where, let's go over to the Football Focus studio

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and join Dan Walker, -- Trevor Sinclair. Thank you. We

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are counting down here. It's been an eventful transfer day. Not as busy

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as we thought it might be earlier on. Trevor will be with us on BBC

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One later. They mentied Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. Costa and

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Barclay and Sanchez moving from Arsenal to Manchester City, they

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haven't gone through. Is that City bidding too late? I I think.

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Brinkmanship, leaving it to the last-minute. Trying to get the

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player as cheap as possible may have backfired. Then you look at the

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player. He is desperate to leave Arsenal. He looks at Arsenal as a

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club that has not matched his ambitions. Could be uncomfortable?

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Very uncomfortable. Not just with the supporters, but his team-mates

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in the changing room. You can imagine that. He will be upset that

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has not gone through. A bit of a blow for Manchester City. They have

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a young and up coming player at Manchester City who might get an

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opportunity now. We were at the Euros last summer lots of talk about

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Sanchez from Portugal. He will go to Swansea on-loan from Bayern Munich?

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I think it's great for both players. He didn't play football for Bayern

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Munich. A lot of big name players in that dressing room. He struggled a

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little bit. Going to work with Paul Clement, who he knows from his

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Munich days, in a smaller dressing room I think that will suit him down

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to the ground. He will use it as a trial. He will play in the Premier

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League. He will put his name out there. He's in the shop window. If

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he can do well for Swansea, put himself about in Premier League he

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may get another move to a Premier League Crystal Palace happy club.

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They have a permanent day for Sakho, less than the ?30 million Liverpool

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rated him at? This is where it can sometimes go in your favour. Frank

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needed someone in there. They conceded six goals in three Premier

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League games. I think he will do well there. Transfer Deadline Day

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special with trefon alongside Stoke's Charlie Adam. Thank you.

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The rush to make that last-minute signing keeps

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everyone on their toes, and sends the social

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But at this late stage, there won't be time for the clubs

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to make their dramatic signing announcement videos.

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Nathan Caton, for one, won't miss them.

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So, when it came to transfer this is summer the fees weren't the only

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thing that Werritty over the top. A new trend started where clubs used

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social media to announce new standings. They were so cringe

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worthy it made Alan Pardew's dad dancing look cool! Swansea announced

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the sign of Messa with one of their players playing an English teacher.

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My name is. My name is... I mean, I left there trying to con

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the ref. Apging isn't something that comes naturally to football players.

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Sorry this isn't the number for PPI How are you? Bru, I've got a

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question. What is eight inches long and hangs up? They say there's no

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such thing as bad publicity, try telling Chelsea that. Right, Sam,

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what name do you want on the back then? Rudd. I'm a Chelsea player

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now. You could have Hazard, Fabregas, and

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you want ruder. We hired two actors who will kidnap you from a hotel.

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One will have a clown mask and the other will be dressed like a woman.

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Does that sound OK to you? No. If you are going to tweet an

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announcement, make sure it's legit or it could get messy. It wasn't

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just players getting involved. Check out Bob Bradley.

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# Who do you think you are... # I think football clubs should only

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be allowed to make cheesy videos if the player in question is that good.

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Yeovil Town announcing someone on-loan. Save your mobile data. Come

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on the Glovers. Is the one good video announcement of the summer has

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to be Aston Villa announcing John Terry. It hasn't quite gone to plan

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so far. Talk about hero to villain. I would love to see the fee now.

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So I guess my point is, you don't need to be over the top with these

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videos. We don't need players acting. It's not the Oscars, it's

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football. Just make a simple statement. You don't want to look

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stupid! This is a new thing, isn't it, this

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social media announcement of a signing. I imagine some players are

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more keen on it than others? Some players will love it and some

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players will hate it. It's the modern trend that all clubs are

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trying to do something different than the previous club. The younger

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again rashgs my son who is 12, he loves all this, the unveiling and

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different things players are asked to do. If you ask Alan Shearer or

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Roy Keane, can you jump through a hoop and smile at the end they would

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would say - good one. He would announce it on snap chat. We will

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have a chat and I'll snap. That is what would happen. There was a scarf

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and a picture on the pitch. In Barcelona they let 30,000 people in.

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Dembele. Alan Shearer was like that at Newcastle. 10,000 at St James'

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Park. Ahead of his time. They will come underneath the turf, come up

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like a mole in the ground. Or drop out of the sky like the Queen at the

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Opening Ceremony in the Olympics. It's different. It certainly is.

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Don't forget that Football Focus is over on BBC One in 15 minutes,

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to guide you through all the deals as the transfer window shuts.

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We'll be back at the same time next week.

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As the Premier League takes a break for the World Cup qualifiers,

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we are going to leave you with a little reminder

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of all the football we have for you this season.

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