03/11/2013 MOTD2 Extra

Hello and welcome to MOTD2 Extra. Coming up this lunchtime: Will

Everton or Tottenham this lay their title credentials? Who will win the

first Premier League Welsh derby? Or any pundit that Arsenal for the

title? Was Jose Mourinho right to be subcritical? Are we close to the

next managerial change? We want you to get in touch. All the usual

ways, social media, the BBC sport website. In the studio we have Kevin

Kilbarchan, Steve Wilson and the football correspondence of the

Sunday Telegraph. Jason, there are stories everywhere you look! It's

great matches yesterday. It was the complete performance by Arsenal

yesterday against Liverpool. They took Liverpool apart. It was that

the section of the team that are riding high. Arsenal put on the spur

-- a superb display. They outplayed Liverpool totally. For the first

hour, Arsenal were in total control. That was a real statement for them,

they are serious about their title challenge. We will look at that game

in more depth closer. You read Craven cottage yesterday, Steve. I

was really impressed by the authority of Manchester United. All

their goals came in a 12 minute spell, and they were devastating.

There was that swagger about the way they played. David Moyes had to make

three changes at half-time because of injury, and that took away from

their second-half performance about. Which game do you want to pick out

from yesterday? The standard result for me was Newcastle beating

Chelsea. Chelsea went there on the back of good performances. I think

the Newcastle to come back from their derby defeat last week, that

was an outstanding performance. Chelsea had a lot of possession, but

Newcastle stood firm. We will look back at all of yesterday 's games in

a little while. There are two huge teams today, the Welsh derby later

on. Let's start with Everton against Tottenham. That kicks off at 1:30pm.

Seven against six. Neven is at the ground for us. Is your voice better

than last week? It couldn't be any worse! I can just about speak this

week. Where will this game be won and lost? There is good quality logo

the field. I think much more do depth in the Tottenham squad than

there has been for many years. Looking at Everton, they are

stronger now than they were last season. They can go and really push

for the European places. I think it is no surprise that they can really

push. Tottenham play a really high line at the moment. The starting

position is really high up in Everton will try to make good use of

that. There is no doubt in my mind that the manager will be trying to

get their act more balls over the back of this centre backs. From what

you have seen this season about Tottenham, are they set up better

away from home than at home? Spurs historically have always been

incredibly creative. For me the look like a very powerful size in

mid-season -- powerful side. The just wasn't enough creativity. You

will need to play Eriksson. If you're going to break down this

Everton defence, and it is a really good defence, with Gareth Barry and

that little bit more protection, so you will need creativity to beat

them away at home -- away from home. I hope it is an open game, how we

expect Tottenham to play. Thank you. Enjoy the game.

After Andre the last bus made the comments about the fans, the fans

got back in touch with us and kind of backed up what said, if you want

us to show more into UCS and excitement, give us accepting the

role. I thought 1050 news ago there was a real atmosphere problem at

White Hart Lane, but I think these days can be pretty good. I agree

with what says. I have been so impressed with Pioline knew. He was

great in the Confederation cup. For ?18 million, it is not a snip, but I

think is exceptional value for money. I think the big Achilles

fought Tottenham is upfront. Jermaine Defoe, when he played he

played well. But he has struggled. Upfront you look at the attack line

from Everton, and I think they need is that sharpness upfront. With all

the changes in the summer, all the upheaval for Tottenham, look how

stable they are at the back. They will get that, they will improve.

The fact they are up there now is dangerous for everyone else. They

need a consistent goal-scorer. Jermaine Defoe is a consistent

goal-scorer. I think there was one big chance in the last game for

money didn't take it. The only way you would question Tottenham Knight

is that main front man. They have so much talent to the rest of the

midfield. Despite the three of you eulogising spurs and the job that

Andre Villas-Boas has done. Somebody has got in touch with us to say that

the fit all is woeful and he doubts that Andre Villas-Boas will be there

next season. The pundits and the media seemed to praise a lot of the

work of Andre Villas-Boas, but some apathy from the fans. They made so

many changes through the summer. Young players as well. I think the

supporters of being a bit too critical at the moment. They are not

playing as badly as the fans into think. There are dominating

possession, but not getting the goals. Tottenham have been keeping

the ball well. I saw them against Cardiff, they dominated the session

that did not create enough. Are we saying that they are not winning by

enough gesture Mark I think that is a sign of a good side, to scored

late on. The Kaku is all over the Sunday papers. He said even playing

football on the computer is a serious business. He said that when

he looks at a game and notices something, Andre Villas-Boas always

notices the same thing. He is a lot more than a big lump upfront. He is

intelligent. I think you join Celtic far too early in his career --

Chelsea far too early in his career, to be honest. He has gone on

loan to Everton and it has been a great move for him. I think he wants

to learn and get better. Technically he is not the greatest, but in terms

of how effective he is a -- is that scoring goals -- at scoring goals.

We went to see him at the Newcastle game and he was outstanding, Lukaku.

He could hold a play, challenge for balls. When Chelsea sign Didier

drop, he was a 26 Turing complete striker. Lukaku is still young and

has a lot to improve on. Why would Chelsea have put out on them? -- on

loan? Would he not have been better to stay and work with Jose Mourinho?

It is unusual. I think he has the potential to be one of the best

virus in the world. When he goes back to Chelsea, I think you will

blossom. If he has that kind of relationship with Roberto Martinez

where he is discussing X, he is probably better off working with

Roberto Martinez. I think Roberto Martinez and Jose Mourinho, he will

probably have that same relationship with Jose Mourinho coming he is a

manager who likes to talk tactics. If I wanted to put on a striker will

with 20 minutes to go, I would rather be bringing on Lukaku than

anyone else. The second big game today is of course the Welsh derby.

Let's look at -- look back at some of yesterday 's games now.

We gave a great convincing performance today. We have had some

good games but because they were not against the top teams, people might

have been sceptical. The fact that is against a team that is up there

with you, does that say something, doesn't send the message? I think it

will improve the confidence level 13. Hopefully we can get our fans

behind the team. This group of players are so one must. There is

one thing that we have done very well is bounceback. We have an

important game next week against Fulham. Tonight was a game where

Arsenal are a team that have been operating for 15 years at Champions

League level, and you see that in their squad. All the texts are on

Arsenal and whether they can win the title. Will not win the title. If

Arsenal can come through unscathed at Old Trafford next week, how they

title contenders? I don't think they will win the title. I just think

that Chelsea and Manchester city are stronger. They have so much quality.

They are a serious team. This is the first part of this next phase for

Arsenal. I think they're going to very strong.

I can see kwhie he is doing it. Ultimately in the big games, he will

play them both. But he will have to tinker with them. He can play with

the back four and Suarez. He has cow Tainio coming -- cow Tainio coming

back. When your playing the top side, I don't think it will be good

enough to play against the top sides. I would say playing 3-5-2,

for me, Liverpool's best defender. Or their best defensive footballer

is Danieling aer -- is Daniel Agger. I thought Liverpool would get

something yesterday and I saw the defence and I thought maybe not. One

viewer said however well Arsenal played, the referee won the game. He

punished Liverpool a second time by disallowing the goal from the quick

free kick. I tried to make that point in the office and got shouted

town. He is right Martin Atkinson had blown the whistle. As soon as he

blows the whistle, he is right with the decision. It is disappointing

for Liverpool, when they go on and score. But Atkinson was right. I did

try to put that point across. Now one of the other games, Newcastle's

win over Chelsea and here is Alan Pardew. We had a little game plan to

conserve our energy and crank it up as the game went on. That worked for

us and we were cautious at the start and wouldn't let them play for us.

We had the options of substitutes and energy and got a goal at a great

time. It has been a fabulous day and you know we are trying to do the

right things here. From the owner down wards. That was reflected in

the result. Ollie said are Newcastle the most unpredictable team in the

league? Possibly. It has been a bit like the early years of David Moyes

at Everton, if you think about a great season and then a bad season

and a middling season. But a great result yesterday. They have got some

good players. They have got some real match winners. Remy has been a

great signing, he terrorised Chelsea yesterday, who were strangely

nonaggressive. Some of the defending was odd. I can see why Mourinho was

angry. Pardew has said he is trying to learn how to get the best out of

Ben Arfa. It does seem as though Alan Pardew is trying to fit the

players into a system that works. Yes, with Ben Arfa you hear great

things about him on the training ground, but he is very inconsistent.

We mentioned the Everton game and he struggled. And I saw the Tyne/Wear

Derby and he struggled. With Ben Arfa, it is difficult, he plays on

the right and he played on the left last week. He doesn't do, he can't

seem to play on the left, because he doesn't seem to have the pace to

beat somebody and so he likes to come inside. We saw that thing last

night of Cabaye talking to Alan Pardew before the free kick. Jack

says, surely Pardew can't be credited for the first goal, all he

could have said is put the ball in the box. Well, he didn't try to take

credit. Cabaye, one problem was he was injured and then he was

unsettled. But he is their key player. He is their play maker and

can make them tick. He could be the difference between them bag top ten

team and not. Jason and Kevin, Jason you mentioned Jose Mourinho didn't

seem happy after the game. Let's hear from him. I'm angry. Because I

don't understand. I don't understand why after a fantastic line of

watches -- matches and performances we have this game. I was expecting

to lose my next game when the opponent was fantastic, when you

were very unlucky and for some reason you could not get the result

and you play within your limits to get the result. To lose a match when

you feel that your players are not tired, because they were not in the

limits what I don't like. It is something I have to like. The

Observer say, I made eleven mistakes. Of course I'm exaggerating

he said, we had some guys with normal performances, but the feeling

is I made eleven bad choices and he criticises their intensity in the

first 45 minutes. Alan Pardew said they had a plan, did Newcastle, not

to go at it hammer and tongs. Yes drop off and it is always difficult

for a side when you go to Newcastle or which ever club, lesser clubs, or

lesser teams, were you -- where your expected to win. It is difficult to

break them down. Newcastle stayed in the game and it shows what a good

performance, how tactically Pardew got it right. This a clever. Very

clever from Pardew. You wouldn't expect it to be about harrying and

that was the opposite. There is no point in taking them on and they had

that game in midweek and played extra time. He would be worried that

in the second half they would be too tired. So it was clever and the fans

would expect you to go at Chelsea and try and get the result. I think

it show asthma churty. It is brave at St James's the crowd want you to

press and it is easy to press and lose your discipline. But I think

they played well. They were playing Chelsea, the fans would have

expected Chelsea to have come and won. The fact that Newcastle stayed

in it as long as they did, the supporters would back that. They

were playing a strong side. And now Norwich and Fulham. First Norwich. A

lot of texts on this, up with saying Chris Hughton was let down by his

prayers -- players. As a Portsmouth fan says Luke, I know how painful it

can be watching your club spiral down. Jessie said what no cress it

the for -- credit for Manchester City. Some of the play Wurz amazing.

-- was amazing. City were unplayable in places. Manchester Mi would have

beaten most teams yesterday. But not many would have lost by seven. You

worry nor Chris Hughton. I saw a quote that said they finished each

year higher than they had the previous year. They finished

eleventh last year. If the bar over which Chris Hughton's Norwich is top

ten, I think it will be a struggle. Thing they will do well to -- I

think they will do well to survive. You have got to be careful what you

wish for and they spent a lot of money and I have seen this with

clubs, they go for it and spend the money and expect more and sometimes

it is not as easy as that. It doesn't just happen. You develop a

way of playing. Houghton is a defensively sound manager, but he

brought players in and you have somebody like Hooper and van wolf

win Kell and they think they aren't playing well together. They see him

as a conservative manager and then they lose 7-0 and you think they're

not even shutting up shop. If we are talking about fixtures in relation

to Arsenal, we have to do the same with Norwich. They went and won at

Stoke. You could argue they were unluck Iy -- unlucky at home to

Chelsea. They went to Arsenal where they were 2-1 down and Hughton came

out in his interview and said we decided we would go for it and they

lost 4-1. They probably should have beaten Cardiff and then they go to

Manchester City. They haven't had the easiest fixtures. They have had

a tough start. But when you lose 7-0 there will be questions asked. Chris

will be hurting, but he doesn't take away from the fact the job he has

done and taking over from Paul Lamb Bert was a difficult job and they

started poorly. I thought towards the end of the season they were

playing well and they have defensively sound. The problem with

these clubs, sometimes a club like Norwich they go to the next level

and board's lose patience when you have spent ?20 million. Is a similar

thing with Southampton, they spent a lot, but it is working. It is almost

as a manager you are caught between thinking I want to spend the money,

but if their ambition raises it gives me less time. Norrive's --

Norwich's problem last season was scoring goals and they have bought

strikers. But it hasn't solved the problem. A they are thinking, we

don't have massive resources and we need these players playing. West Ham

at home is the next game for Norwich. Let's return to Everton

against Spurs and the team news. Second place in the table is the

prize on offer here. Roberto Martinez has made one change. Leon

Osman has been brought back in after playing well off the bench last

time. Andre Villas-Boas was busy more happy with last Sunday, because

he has gone for that exact same team. The good news is, the weather

is improving here after a very stormy morning.

We were talking about Ross Barkley, saying her Roberto Martinez has

stuck with him. Let's move on to fill and Martin Jol. He was asked

yesterday about this the natives not being happy. And you can see why. We

don't know much about the new owner of Fulham, so we don't know which

way he will go. He has said some good things on football focus

yesterday in an interview which have been recorded prior to their last

couple of defeats. He was saying when things start getting tough,

that is not the time to do anything rash. He stuck with the coach last

year. They won two and lost four team in the NFL with the

Jacksonville Jaguars, then got rid of him. He didn't approve -- appoint

Martin Jol, that is another thing. This person says that Fulham were

disjointed again last time. The lack of work great at times is not good.

They did have a philosophy where they had to retreat players going

forwards, and that left the midfield exposed. United will always come and

play well. Looking at Newcastle, when you play against a top team is

a way to get results. I think Martin Jol will struggle to survive much

longer. If Martin O'Neill goes to the Republic of Ireland, that

would've been a manager that they might have considered his no longer

in the market. Having been at Craven cottage yesterday, after 30 minutes

I was thinking that United could win this by seven and Martin Jol could

be out by tomorrow. The last 60 minutes was a lot better. They

didn't look like a group of players who were going to throw in the tile.

Their fixture list has been easier than Norwich's. Recently they have

had Cardiff, Stoke, Crystal Palace. Their home form has been terrible.

They keep conceding late goals. Given that traditionally Fulham have

always been good at home. They have been very reliant on the past on

their home form. I think they have a core squad of 23 players, and 11 of

them are over 30 years old. Let's move on to the big Welsh derby.

Begin here first of all from Malcolm Mackay. It is not just another

game. It is only three points but there is a lot of importance

attached to the game. It is the first time we have played each other

in the top level. That being the case it is very special for everyone

in South Wales. It has definitely got an extra bite to it. That helps

players. Jason, quite a few of the players are talking about Malcolm

Mackay, saying he is on the brink. Is this another manager that might

not stay? There were rumours during the summer that he was looking for

another job. I think there is an inevitability about having to leave

the club, but he has done such a good job that he can just jump, he

has to wait for the right job to come up. I don't think Crystal

Palace would be a good option for him. Norwich might come available

and he has a link there. He must be planning ahead, where will he end

his season? Aside from goes on on the pitch today there is a

fascinating managerial hierarchy backdrop to this game but I Cardiff

have been run and host Swansea have an. Every succession at Swansea is

smooth and the managers are brought in specifically to keep their

philosophy going. Swansea have been great at appointing good managers at

the right time. It is such a shame because Cardiff have been so close

to getting into the Premier League for so long, they have finally done

it, they look at this stage of the season like they will probably not

be in any bother of going down. Everything should be great! It

should be a fantastic celebration of the season, and it is so close to

going pear shaped. You just want that to happen. There are warning

signs, alarm bells ringing. We have watched so much the ball over the

years and you see these things happening where it has a knock-on

effect, it affects the players. We have seen too often. It is a four

o'clock kick-off. We will have highlights literate and out on BBC

One. Let's hear from Michael Laudrup. I know a lot about derbies.

I played in Denmark, I played U and rumour, I played Riel Madrid

Barcelona. I always hear that when they come to new places, this derby

is the most special, the biggest one. They all say that. They say the

same up in Glasgow. They can't all be the most important, but it is the

most important for these fans. In the Premier League there are 17 is

that will always be in the top seven places. And Newcastle got into the

fifth position, that can happen once in a while, but after that you have

what I call our league. I think last year we got the maximum. I think

West Brom just one more point than us. We are at the top of our league

and if we could do that again for the third consecutive year, remained

there in the mid-table from number eight to number 12, that would be a

huge success. He doesn't have a bad CV! The Merseyside derby, the

north-east derby, they are all big derbies. There is an extra special

deal to begin because this is the first time they have met in the

Premier League. Today we are all watching, it'll be an atmosphere, it

will be a good game to watch. He puts it into perspective of what he

is saying. The history of this game is pretty bad, really, in terms of

violence. The fans have been pretty badly in the past. The potential for

being quite nasty is high, so hopefully that won't happen. The

room derby is pretty bad, I have been to one of those before and it

is pretty bad about this one can be vicious. On the pitch, if Cardiff

when this they will go above Swansea. When you think about not

just Cardiff and Swansea, but the 12 months that Welsh football has had,

with Wrexham in Newport and Gareth Beale, it has been an unbelievable

year for Welsh football funds at -- for Welsh football. We are staying

on BBC One and on the sport website. We will continue on BBC One

and the website with the biggest argument that there has been in the

office this morning, which is simply about to night school of the month.

You will decide that via Twitter are on the sport website. We will open

voting on the show later tonight. That means the body here has a say

in it, which is a good job, because if you were judging tonight it will

already be decided. You said that Kassami macro was the best Goldie

had ever seen in the Premier League. Everything was time to perfection.

Technically, he had to move into space, take it on the chest, away

from goal at an angle. On his weaker foot to knock it over the

goalkeeper, and incredible goal. The best Premier League goal ever.

That, for me, topped the lot of them. And that may come second! I

would go for Kassami's call. I think it was an incredible one off school.

It might not winter night. The chip -based Rich was fantastic against

West Bromwich Albion. The goal by Jack Welch was amazing. I forgot

about Morrison'sgoal. I would go for Kassami, I think sometimes you have

to take into account the occasion. It can be the greatest goal the

Premier League. There have been greater goal surely in greater

occasions. I would say the call by Robin van Persie was a greater goal.

On the tech week thing, was the goal by Kassami better than Wayne

Rooney's overhead kick? Again, that was a great goal. That is my

opinion. Do you go Maradona'sagainst England in 1956

was the best goal I have ever seen. In the Premier League year it, and

they know we were talking about timing of goals, the importance of

them in big games, but for everything that that goal had, it

was the best. I cant believe that of the ten, the goal by Luis Swire is,

his second goal as in, but the first wasn't. Some calls had to miss out.

The occasion does play a part, doesn't it? It has to do. Not just

what it means, but also the opponent you're playing against. With the

best will in the world, it was scored against not the greatest

goalkeeper. Surely the psychology of that place apart. The goal by Wayne

Rooney was against Manchester city in a derby. As an individual goal, a

wonderful strike, regardless of the occasion, that is the best because

of his movement. Well, you don't decide, you decide out there! We

will have the vote tonight on match of the day too. We will see you all

next week. Goodbye.