10/11/2013 MOTD2 Extra

Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra, we live this lunchtime

on BBC Two, Radio 5 Live and on the BBC Sport website. There are some

huge games in the Premier League across the afternoon, including

Manchester United against Arsenal, we will analyse where it could be

won and lost at Old Trafford. Spurs against Newcastle is just getting

under way, we will have regular updates from White Hart Lane, and we

will discuss that late penalty at Stamford Bridge, the fallout from

Chelsea against West Brom, and the other major issues from yesterday.

With me, former England and Arsenal centre half Martin Keown, Jonathan

Pearce, who will be centre half Martin Keown, Jonathan

Arsenal go into this game with no pressure on them and all on the

hosts? I would not say that, since the start of the season when they

lost against Aston Villa, there has been huge pressure on them, and it

is no different now. They are growing as a group, and there is a

gut feeling around that this could be there yet, but today will tell us

a lot about that, because Manchester United will see this as a chance to

wipe out all that has gone before, a great opportunity for them, but also

for Arsenal to go there and enjoy the occasion. Plenty more on that

much to come, you were at Anfield yesterday, Liverpool's success

awful's failure? Gerard was exceptional, Suarez was magnificent,

but Fulham were dreadful. I felt sorry for people like Scott Parker

in midfield, trying to get things going, too many lightweight players,

and on the going, too many lightweight players,

Ashley Cole, who has missed the last two games, and I cannot rumba the

last time that happened when he was fit, and that has implications for

England, because there is fierce competition from Leighton Baines,

and he played the last two World Cup qualifiers, so it is a big decision

for Roy Hodgson. He has backed Joe Hart, no doubt what he will do

there, but the Ashley Cole call is a big one. Lots to discuss, the show

is going to last an hour on 5 Live and on the sport website, half an

hour on BBC Two, then on the red button. It's the red button at half

past 12 and you will be able to continue watching. One Premier

League game is already under way at White Hart Lane, Spurs against

Newcastle. John Southall will be keeping us up to date. Good

afternoon, 0-0, two minutes played, keeping us up to date. Good

medical staff and he's not ready, it is a precaution, but he is sitting

in front of us among the substitutes. He is not involved this

afternoon, so it is a difficult situation for Tottenham and for

their manager. Early stages here, three minutes gone, a bright start

from Tottenham, 0-0. Thank you very much. Focusing on the four o'clock

game, you will be able to hear it live on Radio 5 Live, Manchester

United against Arsenal, before we delve into it, the thought of the

managers, starting with Arsene Wenger, who has responded to Wayne

Rooney's comments that Arsenal have faded after Christmas. Usually, I

think, after Christmas, we have been very strong every season. And for

the rest, the comments are the comments, nobody knows what will

happen in the future, comments, nobody knows what will

now, at the top of the league, so I think their form at the start of the

season has been very good, and they will come here in good spirit. But

we have had some growing momentum, and we will look to put up a good

show. It is, for us, a very, very important game, because we have come

out with two strong results against Liverpool and Tottenham, and of

course we want to do well again. We have confidence, that what is at

stake is consistency at the top level for us and to be capable to

repeat the performances we had in our last two games, that is what is

at stake, and that will certainly as well be very important for the

future for our team. Arsene Wenger and David Moyes there. The back page

of the Sun has an interview with Mesut Ozil, where he says,

is is boot sponsor, no, well done to the Sun to get that interview. It is

11 points between Arsenal and United if Arsenal win, so that would be a

monumental effort for United. I think people say it is early days,

but I don't think that, we have had a quarter of the season, and I think

although United would never give up on the leader, they will try to make

sure that they are in the Champions League places. So, yeah, I will

stick my neck on the line and say, if Arsenal win today, I do not think

United will catch them. If you look at the big teams, they have flunked

those tests, Man United. The big tests that Arsenal have had, well,

they beat Liverpool and had a big win during the week. If Manchester

United lose this game, there will be the biggest gap between them and the

top play side at this stage of the season since 2005. I do not think

they will season since 2005. I do not think

are playing just as much against him as he worked against Manchester

United. They have lost some of that or going into that called of 76,000

people, it is a difficult environment. -- called run. Arsenal

have been a difficult pressure situations, and I think they will

cope adequately. Do you think it will be a cauldron this afternoon?

You could argue that the Arsenal team you played were a lot easier to

aid for Manchester United fans, but in many ways that is what I am

saying. It was probably a lot easier to give you abuse than Meta --

Mertesacker. There is a newness and a freshness in this Arsenal side,

and the Premiership and bet for Manchester United but

Koscielny has been intermittent spawn. I cannot see a way through.

Rooney does remember those grudge matches, so does Ferdinand, and

Arsenal have passed some big tests, but not against Rooney, who has

scored 12 goals against them, that great goal against Everton when he

was 16, he was involved in the penalty incident that brought the

end of the invincible is run. Arsenal have never forgotten him for

that one. It is about reading scripts on the day of the game,

trying to work out what is going to happen, and someone wants to hone in

on Rooney, because he wants to be the Special One. Van Persie needs to

prove he made the right decision. The future is looking very good for

Arsenal, is it looking good for Man United? How key is Mathieu flower

mini? Without him, better teams than Norwich and Crystal Palace might

have got something Norwich and Crystal Palace might

Arsenal's kids exposed the floors in 30's legacy, talking about how

Arsenal signed a lot of kids to five-year deals. -- exposed the

flaws in 30's legacy. There was criticism of Arsene Wenger for not

making the big marquee signing, but they were signing their British

based on long-term contracts, and that has formed the basis, to an

extent, of the team they have got at the moment. Where I would disagree

with David issue if you take the characters that he say have left

United, talking about Morrison, they had huge problems with them, they

pinched Gerard Pique from Barcelona and he wanted to go back. He has

given the lie to the theory that if you leave Manchester United, it is

downhill from there. you leave Manchester United, it is

through the system. But what they have done in the last few years is

they have bought British players, Aaron Ramsey they pinched from

United. United thought they had him, then bang made a big effort, flew

him out to Switzerland. -- banger. They are getting the rewards for

that. Signing all these new contracts, they can really compete.

Mesut Ozil coming in, I think there will be that sort of marquee signing

each time. There may be an opportunity in the transfer window

to do that, although Arsene Wenger does not like to accept the harmony

in the group. He will not want to take anything away from Olivier

Giroud. But you can see how one player can... It seemed like

everyone wanted to leave Arsenal, but now everybody wants to play,

like there is great enjoyment. He is able to create an X Factor when the

team is doing well that is second to able to create an X Factor when the

managers denied admits out, they will be stronger next season, so

will Chelsea. -- because if Manchester United miss out. We are

off BBC Two at half 12, so hit the red button to keep watching us, we

are also on Radio 5 Live. It is still goalless at White Hart Lane

between Spurs and Newcastle. Chelsea 2, West Brom 2, that was banks to a

very, very late penalty from Eden Hazard after Steven Reid was

adjudged to have fouled Ramirez. We can get reaction from Stamford

Bridge, Jose Mourinho in a moment, after we hear from him. My arms were

by my side, he was keen to get the penalty. I watched on the screen,

two or three times, and it was a clear penalty, the same way it was

two or three times, and it was a European football. Well, you are all

laughing at his comments there! Let's deal with the penalty, yes or

no? No. Let's move on! As far as Chelsea are concerned, some

interesting analysis on Match Of The Day last night about how narrow they

are, how they are not getting runners around the back of the

fences. Yes, he has got Hazard, the same sort of players, getting those

talented players to work a lot harder, I think. He has made the

team or difficult to beat, the last couple of results have not gone for

them in the league, but I do not think they have got any natural

width, and I think they missed Torres. I will be battered on

Twitter for this, but I think they miss him. There has been a goal at

White Hart Lane, John Southall. Tottenham gave the ball away in the

centre circle, you want Tottenham gave the ball away in the

through by Gouffran, a Newcastle side who are dressed like Brazil at

White Hart Lane! Hugo Lloris would have been out on that like lightning

with the extra suite at the back. Loic Remy switches from his right

foot to his left and exposes Tottenham. It is difficult to read

Tottenham, you think they have turned a corner, they lost at West

Ham recently. As far as going back to Chelsea, though, would you agree

with Jonathan, who might get hammered on Twitter for this, that

they miss Fernando Torres? Mourinho is trying to evolve, he plays Damien

Duff and Robin as wide players, now you have got Hazard coming off the

line, so football has changed and evolved, it is about your midfield

players. He is adapting, but talking about Ashley Cole not playing, it is

like a political move to say, about Ashley Cole not playing, it is

yesterday, that was very lucky. They are asking if Quetta is being turned

into a left-back by Mourinho? Are there other factors at play? Add

other factors to dropping Ashley Cole? There is an element of

control, he has been fined, he tried to get him when he was at Real

Madrid, suffer him to drop Ashley Cole for two games is a big deal. --

so for him. Quetta is right footed, if he comes on the inside, that is a

concern. But he spoke about Toros as well, we always say we miss his

physicality, because he is quite a small, light attacking side. He did

not want Tara is to start as his first choice, I was with

not want Tara is to start as his have to do my best with him. You

feel with Mourinho, his attitude is, we only have one chance to do

it, he is really focused, Fernando Torres, you have to say, he gets

more from them that he ever has, he is playing with real hunger at the

moment. He has got difficulties that Chelsea try to be number one again.

It is a difficult dressing room, and he is laying down the law. To come

back to Ashley Cole again, if they are looking to get them, the

forwards to drifting, so why does he not have him on there? They missed

him yesterday, massively, it is a mistake. But it could be about egos,

Chelsea is a difficult dressing room. The English lads are

completely sidelined, it is more Fernando Torres, and last year, it

was Fernando Torres, and last year, it

power for some of the others. They are a team with an outstanding

manager, both them and Arsenal have the managers that have done it

before, and is uncertainty in the Premiership, and those two groups is

probably have the best chance of winning. We are about to have an

international rate with Chile and India for England, the important

thing is looking at Ashley Cole on the Chelsea team. Ashley Cole had a

fantastic England career, and he will go to the World Cup if he is

fit, but because the games are spread out my things change from one

match to the other, and with international careers, they do not

end as people would like them to. In England's case, they often do not

end with a trophy! But some people think, I've finished now and I will

be there at this point, but places, and go quickly.

be there at this point, but places, being put in, for instance. He just

feels fantastic at the moment. We see it coming out in his game. It is

development. It takes the English players longer. Lallana was one,

every time you saw him, he made something happen, and stout is

really controlling the games. Do you think Ashley Cole could play three

games next summer? For England? I do. He is a winner. He will play.

The point is, if he gets an injury, do we need Kieran Gibbs to have some

runouts to get experience for the future? He doesn't have to play.

Rooney, he doesn't have to play, but we feel that he does. Leighton

Baines is an adequate replacement. You can

Nevin is that the Stadium Of Light. Lots of discussion at the moment on

the best strike partnership in the Premier league, I want to know, do

you see Negredo and were is our partnership? Or is where to doing

more than being a foil for Negredo? They can work together, but Aguero

has a lot to work with. You also have the likes of Yaya Toure eight,

but Negredo and Aguero work well together. It is less clear cut with

Negredo and Aguero. Looking at the teams this season, there were the

five teams this season, there were the

that? Or other other problems when you look back at the games? Yes, we

chatted before Manchester City and Chelsea and the reckons that a is

with feedback area, which is fine, but that's not would be the big

problem today. But it is not the Negredo, Aguero partnership, but it

was a big surprise at Stamford Bridge when Manchester City turned

up and Pellegrini did not start those two players. It almost said to

me, he was not brave enough on that occasion. If you look at what

Manchester City have done in the last few weeks, it is unbelievable

that he should be afraid of anyone. You should go for it. If you want to

win titles, you have got to go for it, so I hope that's Negredo and

Aguero will start today and their it, so I hope that's Negredo and

more on Sunderland. Is that important in this one? -- is daddy

important in this one? I am a very big fan of silver, and also Aguero.

If you have got the likes of Nasri to bring in, they should be able to

cope with it against Sunderland. Thank you. Updates on BBC Radio five

Live and Match Of The Day two later. You see silly mistakes, I can

understand why Joleon Lescott has not been in that side longer. Garcia

is good on that side. Lescott would give more experience. Miller needs

to be in certain games when they give more experience. Miller needs

invest. I think their problem, Pat is talking about the tactics,

against Chelsea, they did not want to play two upfront. I thought that

was a good call. They packed the midfield, but Garcia in midfield was

not quite at the level. They have had other excellent additions in the

squad, but I think Aguero is the standout player. They will play two

up front today, there is no reason not to. Is Aguero nigh on importance

to market, given the way he moves. Negredo, you can see that, he is at

the front of the system, you can deal with him. It is more a case of

two up front, if the central defenders are not facing, it is

usually one player and one arriving from deep. One going short, one

running in from behind, it is difficult to pick up. When Aguero

has difficult to pick up. When Aguero

few seasons ago. We are joined by Sam Wallace, Martin Keown and

Jonathan Pearce. Let's talk to somebody that is heavily involved in

the utterly's game, three points for Norwich against West Ham, their

crucial second goal was scored by Robert Snodgrass, and he joins us

now. Thank you for talking to us. Let's deal with the important thing

is, your team-mates are obsessed on Twitter about your beard! I think it

is the size of my nose, to be honest! Not my beard! You spoke

about the number of meetings that you have had in the last few weeks

to try and turn things around, what have you been saying in those

meetings as a group of players? I think we're doing the right things.

We are playing with a high tempo, we're passing the ball,

We are playing with a high tempo, team-mates. Jonathan here, I did the

game at Manchester City last week, you were not playing, because you

had the head injury, but that was the most unlike Norwich in

capitulation, can you speak about what happened? We had a brief

meeting on the game, but they took all their chances. I do not speaking

about a game when you do not play in it, because you do not want to

criticise team-mates, but it was unlike Norwich because we worked

very hard, and he had a good team effort. We had great character. That

is what we have come up through the lower leagues with. It just wasn't

like Norwich. The manager knew that. He put it to bed early doors. It was

one of those games. As a footballer, brought in a lot of you to the club,

and the fans, certain sections of the fans had been given him a bit of

stick. Yes, when you see how hard the boys are working, the staff are

working behind-the-scenes, it is hurtful. Even when we play against

Cardiff, I thought we were a better side, by far the better side. The

goalkeeper got Man of the Match, and the fans are giving stick and

booing. I think it comes to added pressure with a bigger budget and a

bigger spend this year. That is always the case. You do not get

along time in the Premier League if you do not get the results, so the

fans were obviously sensing the frustration, and it pays off to have

good players, that is when men with character puff their chest out, and

that is what we did yesterday. Their play to the boys, we got a good

second result and three points. assume? Yes. I cannot really

remember much about it! I just member the doctor at me. I had

remember much about it! I just coming out of my mouth, I can a much

about it. -- foam. The goalkeeper as well, he looked after me. But it is

a situation well, he looked after me. But it is

to the medical side, they know best. They test you every day to see how

you are feeling. Over the next few days after that, you fill out

markers to see how you are feeling every day. I believe that is the

case with all footballers. Thank you for joining us and for being so