03/12/2017 MOTD2 Extra


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Hello and welcome to Match

of the Day 2 Extra.

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We're on BBC Two, 5 Live,

the BBC Sport website & app,

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as well as the iPlayer.

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Joining me today, Stoke

midfielder Charlie Adam,

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Arsenal Women defender Alex Scott

and Shaun Custis, who's

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The Sun's Head of Sport.

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As ever, we want to hear

from you, using the hashtag

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#bbcfootball on social media -

or you can text us on 85058.

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Here's what's coming up.

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We'll dissect the match

at the Emirates where David De Gea

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put in one of the performances

of the season as Manchester

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United win at Arsenal.

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We'll assess how Sam Allardyce got

on in his first match

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in charge of Everton -

three points and a clean sheet

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against Huddersfield.

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And we'll be in Bournemouth ahead

of the first game of the day

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as they take on Southampton.

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The newspaper back pages are

dominated by last night's late game.

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The Sunday Times says Paul Pogba

went from "Hero to villain"

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after starring in United's win.

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The Sunday Mirror leads

on Ronald Koeman -

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"I'm Broken" is the headline,

as he says his sacking by Everton

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was a bolt from the blue.

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And the Sunday Telegraph says

Gareth Southgate may rotate

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the England captaincy

during the World Cup next year,

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or just give the job to the player

with the most caps in the team.

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But we're going to

start at the Emirates.

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A crucial three points for

Jose Mourinho's Manchester United.

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It was a first away win

for him against a "big six"

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side in three years.

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Arguably Arsenal had one

of their best performances

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of the season as well but they lost

3-1, not least because of

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the performance of David De Gea.

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The one sour note for United,

the red card for Paul Pogba that

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will rule him out of next week's

derby with Manchester City.

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We'll hear from Arsene Wenger

in a moment, but first Mourinho.

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Amazing attitude from every one of

them. It is part of the quality they

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showed, they showed also an amazing

character in the difficult moments

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of the game. The game gave us

difficult moments. Arsenal gave us

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difficult moments with attacking

quality. We have the difficult

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moments are playing with ten men for

quite a long time. Amazing character

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by the players. They deserve your

words, similar to my words when I

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met them in the dressing room.

We

played well and there is nothing

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more frustrating than having that

quality of performance and then

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nothing to show for it. On one side,

we feel sorry for the players

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because their attitude was

impeccable until the end. But I feel

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as well, when you go into a big

game, you cannot make the mistakes

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we made today from the start.

I have

no thoughts to speak about. I have

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this Peter Barrett Koscielny, I

speak a lot of a lot of things, but

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I don't.

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You were there, Alex. It wasn't a

great result but I thought it would

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have been impossible not to leave

the ground with a smile on your

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face?

I am still smiling. It is one

of the best games I have been two at

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the Emirates in such a long time. It

was end to end, how fast the game

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was. Apart from the defensive

errors, Arsenal gave it their all,

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they went to it and didn't give up.

Some of the football on display was

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a real quality football match.

He

were listening to it on the radio

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and you could feel it coming through

on the radio?

It was good

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commentary. Interesting to hear one

of the big games being exciting.

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Normally they are a bit dull. It was

good to hear end to end and a lot of

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action. Manchester United were the

best in the end.

We are used to

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cancelling each other out, the big

side. David DeGale, look at his

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progress, I remember doing a game at

Stoke when he was there. He wasn't

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strong enough to deal with the high

balls. Now he looked like he bosses

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his area, strong hands.

A different

keeper. Comes from experience. He

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has been in the league for six or

seven years, he is the best

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goalkeeper in the world at the

moment. Some of the saves last night

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were incredible.

I was off my seat

celebrating thinking we had scored,

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but he managed to pull it back out.

It is unbelievable, his performance

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yesterday.

There was one he saved

from Romelu Lukaku which was an

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astonishing volume in itself. --

volley. He would have been

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completely unaware and then the

double save from Alexandra

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Lacazette.

33 attempts against

Manchester United team, it is

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unheard of.

How did Jesse Lingard

get Man of the Match? I know he did

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extremely well, but David DeGale

them in the game. Arsenal probably

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would have won the game if it wasn't

for him. He is a top goalkeeper and

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has been linked with Real Madrid

over the last few seasons, will be

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interesting to see if he can be

kept.

To be fair, Jesse Lingard,

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Jose Mourinho has shown a lot of

faith in him. Nobody would have him

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as a starter for England, nobody

would have him as a starter for

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Manchester United. Usually when he

is in the team, you think, who is

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missing.

He is different from what

they have. He wants to pass and run

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in behind. He is different. I think

he is a top player. We don't play

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for Manchester United if you are a

bad player but he should be on the

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plane to Russia.

We have got to take

Harry Winks, Dele Alli, Jack Walsh

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if he's fit.

He's always on the

move, he's clever. He's orthodox, he

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is different in the Premier League

and Jose Mourinho trusts him in the

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bigger games because he knows the

energy he will get from him. Marcus

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Rashford is still a little bit

inexperienced but Jesse Lingard

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gives you something different. He

gets the goals in the big game.

Why

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do you think he is much maligned?

Going from yesterday, his front

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foot. His ability to put defenders

under pressure. Which led to the

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second goal for Manchester United.

Defenders don't like that, they like

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time on the ball to pick passes at.

But when you have Jesse Lingard

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constantly on your back, you need to

be on your toes. That is his

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strength. I suppose from the other

sort of players and their ability,

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some managers like that, go and

harass the player put the defender

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under pressure.

He is nearly 25 now,

he was out on loan at Leicester, and

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if he is 25 now and hasn't nailed

down a first-team place until now,

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maybe he isn't all that. But some

players mature at different ages.

He

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probably hasn't had that opportunity

as regular as now since Jose

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Mourinho has come in. He is the one

who has said, you are in and he is

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producing the goods in the big

games.

Do you think we might get a

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change in how big teams approach

playing each other or do read just

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strike lucky yesterday with a bit of

a fluid because United scored early

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and therefore could invite Arsenal

onto them and then hit them on the

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break?

Jose Mourinho is saying it

was a great game, but he was

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probably tearing his hair out. Alan

Shearer said in the week, the big

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teams play not to lose against each

other.

The game will probably be the

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total opposite at the Manchester

derby.

They will not want to lose.

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That is not Pep Guardiola's style.

He will want to go for it.

You can

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understand why because they don't

want to lose ground against the

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opposition who are maybe their

equals.

That is what made the game

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is so refreshing yesterday. It was

literally end to end and it was so

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entertaining and refreshing from a

fan's perspective.

Even though

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Arsenal loss, do you think there

were lots of positives for Arsenal

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to take out of the game? If so, what

would they be? Looking at it on

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Match Of The Day last night, Ian

Wright was critical of their

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defending. The Telegraph said 74%

possession but 100% defensive

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mistakes. Surely you can look for

positives in performance rather than

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criticise?

It was hard because we

lost the game in the first 11

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minutes by two defensive mistakes.

Other than that, one touch passing,

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the ability to open up the

Manchester United defence at times.

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They other positives we need to

build on, the characters you keep

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going. Mesut Ozil again, we need to

keep producing those level of

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performance is from Arsenal players

and eradicate those mistakes at the

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back.

We have had a period at Stoke

as well, individual errors cost

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shoot in the Premier League. That is

what happens, you have got to take

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it on the chin but Arsenal will take

the positives out of the

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performance. United are the

second-best team in the league,

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performance against a team like

that, is encouraging for Arsenal,

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but I think they are short.

The

negatives will be, Mazive Ozil

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having a great game yesterday, and

nice audition for going to

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Manchester United. There is a

chance.

You will always be

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mysterious.

They will always be

respectful of each other and polite,

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Jose Mourinho and Ozil.

Who would

replace him, he is a top player. I

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don't know where he would play in

the Manchester United team.

It is

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unlikely he will stay. Going off

yesterday's game, you need to build

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the team around them. Going back to

the defensive points, yesterday, it

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was clear to see physicality was

lacking defence. The power of Romelu

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Lukaku and Paul Pogba to brush off

defenders and get round them.

At

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this level, that cannot happen.

Given how Manchester United

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performed when Paul Pogba was out

injured, which was the stodgy part

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of the season for them and he will

probably be suspended for three

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games. He is definitely out of the

Manchester derby. They lose some

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fluency, lose an attacking threat.

The way he linked up with Jesse

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Lingard and with Romelu Lukaku

yesterday.

He is a matchwinner, a

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world-class player and the

difference in the Manchester United

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team. He has all of the ability. But

they will bring somebody in. Maka

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tearing might come in, Juan Mata

might come in. Not to the level of

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Paul Pogba bob but they are very

good players. He did struggle.

He

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feel about him, they are less likely

to go for it in a big game than with

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him?

Yes, it is the area he covers

on the pitch. He reminds me of the

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Patrick Viera style, his ability to

get box to box and his technical

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ability. His passing at times, his

ability to switch play. He does make

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Manchester United take.

He looked

like he was in control, more so now.

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It makes it all the more frustrating

that he was sent off and they will

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not have him.

He sees the killer

pass and he does open things up for

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Manchester United. Newf have got to

play Romelu Lukaku upfront. Marcus

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Rashford is on the bench. Jesse

Lingard will want to run in behind

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and it is a dream for a midfielder.

Pick your head up and find the past.

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He is a top player and will be

missed for the game next week.

I am

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always interesting when a player

says to a journalist, you don't

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understand a sending-off, unless you

have played the game. He stamped on

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the back of his leg. Nobody can

agree if it was deliberate. It is

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still being debated now, but it was

a deliberate stamp, did he mean it?

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These things always crop up when you

are on one of my shows.

I have only

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seen it once and I think it is a red

card. It is a red card for me. If

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you get a couple of clips, I have

probably done the same thing. You

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will always try to defend it but he

caught him on the back of the leg.

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Slow motion always makes it looks

worse. No matter what sport it is,

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whether it it is cricket, rugby

league, rugby union, slow motion

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makes things look worse. Whether it

is deliberate or not, only he will

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know and the prose can debate it.

I

don't think he has gone to do him.

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It is strange to see how Bellerin

tackled like that. His studs have

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slid off the ball and gone straight

through.

Does look great.

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He thinks he can get there but Paul

Pogba was so fast. He could have

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pulled out of it.

Let us move on to

the first game of the day, two games

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today, West Ham and Manchester City

later.

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The first Premier League game

of the day kicks off at 1.30.

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It's Bournemouth at home

to Southampton and Mark Scott

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is there for tonights Match

of the Day.

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Eddie Howe says he sees it as a

Derby and he believes the rivalry is

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growing. Delighted to have Mark

alongside me. What do you make about

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Eddie Howe's comments?

Fair

comments. 30 miles apart, both in

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the Premier League, we need a bit of

extra rivalry to add to the Premier

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League mixture and it is really

good. The two clubs are established

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sides now and let us hope it

continues.

A bit of criticism about

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Southampton's style of play but they

have very nearly stop the Manchester

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City juggernaut in midweek.

They

have had a stop- start season.

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Inconsistency. The style has not

been great. But at Manchester City,

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I thought they were excellent, and

lucky to concede late on.

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Interesting to see how Nathan

Redmond responds after the encounter

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with Pep Guardiola post-match -- and

they were unlucky to concede late

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on.

Bournemouth have been

inconsistent, Eddie Howe was

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disappointed against Burnley.

What

have you made of them? The first

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four games of the season, they lost

a huge blow to them, concern around

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the Vitality Stadium. But they have

picked up since then. Inconsistency,

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biggest problem. They need to make

sure this ground is therefore press.

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Last weekend's result was very bad

against Burnley. No disrespect to

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Burnley. This needs to be a

homeground advantage for them where

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they picked up as many points as

they can.

I am loathe to bring up

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Australia given away this weekend

has been going, what do you make of

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Australia's group, France, Peru,

Denmark?

Pretty happy. France, one

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of the favourites, phenomenal side.

Having them as the first game of the

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tournament, you do not know what you

will get. Maybe they will

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underestimate us. If they do, there

is a chance. Denmark and Peru,

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Christian Eriksen, phenomenal

player, but if we catch him off his

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game, if we can contain him,

anything is possible.

We will be

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aiming for the second spot. Mark is

part of the team this afternoon

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which will have full commentary of

the game on Radio 5 Live and

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highlights on Match of the Day to

tonight.

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Alistair Bruce-Ball,

who's commentating on the game

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for 5 Live, has the team news.

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Plenty here after midweek defeats

for both teams. Bournemouth did not

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get going, Eddie Howe makes five

changes, Jermain Defoe starts, he is

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in full Callum Wilson. Jermain Defoe

and Josh King upfront. Junior

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Stanislas is back from injury from

Bournemouth. Lewis Cook comes in in

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central midfield. Mauricio

Pellegrino has gone one better with

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six changes today, Cedric is injured

so Jeremy Peace -- Jeremy Pied is

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in. Shane Long missing today with

injury. Despite being told how good

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he is by Pep Guardiola on Wednesday,

Nathan Redmond is on the bench and

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Sofiane Boufal start the game.

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Eddie Howe has made several changes,

Bournemouth struggling to get some

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consistency, rhythm.

That is what I

was thinking, when they mentioned

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the changes, sometimes it is hard as

players, you just need to go with

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the same starting XI. I know what

Eddie Howe's thinking is, we need

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someone to spark something, freshen

it up, but sometimes too many

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changes makes the team just wanted.

It does. I'm saying that because the

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manager has not made any changes

expert it is trying to get

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combinations, different players.

Tough period coming up in the

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Premier League, the amount of games.

When it is not going for you, you

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try everything, new players,

different players. Like you say,

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both teams have made 11 changes

between them.

We discussed this

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before, when it is not going for

you, sometimes it is better to be

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away from home in games like this

where the expectation is not on you

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as much.

I want to be at home. There

is no... You do not want to be away

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from home when it is tough. The

advantage of the home team, you

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might be under the cosh, you would

rather be at home, under pressure.

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You have to take the criticism of

the home fans but you have to be

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strong mentally and physically to

take it on. I prefer to be at home

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than away somewhere else and the

opposition team have the ball...

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What do we expect realistically of

Bournemouth? Playing well above

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their weight, they have done

phenomenally well, fifth from

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bottom. I do not expect anything

else, really. I do not see where

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they would push onto.

What do you

expect from Southampton?

Possibly a

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little better.

They are a bigger

club with a bigger ground?

Well

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established now in the Premier

League.

Mauricio Pochettino, Ronald

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Koeman, they have had the standard,

top ten, a little bit above that,

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cup finals and things like that, so

when they dipped below that

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standard, they will always get

criticism.

Arguably, they were very

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close to going into this game on the

back of a very good week. Charlie

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Austin beating Everton last weekend.

It would have been a point at City

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if they had held on for another few

seconds.

For me, Southampton has

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been frustrating because they have

players, a great team. Sometimes

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this season I have been watching, it

is so side to side, no one taking

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the chance to open up, you have

Nathan Redmond, give the ball to him

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more so he can open up players, get

attacking options. It has been so,

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OK, this is nice football, nothing

happening.

Not a lot of penetration

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in the team. I noticed that when we

played them. Not negative, but

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quite... Happy, nice football.

Players like Steve Davis can open

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the past, Nathan Redmond, as you

say, it is frustrating for them

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because they are dipping below the

level they are at moment. They are

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wonderful club, Southampton, and

what they have done, selling

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players, bringing in different

players, great club.

Moving onto one

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of yesterday's Premier League games,

Sam Allardyce's first in charge of

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Everton, a home win over

Huddersfield.

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Learn to dig in, be resilient.

Before I got here, they had let too

0:22:210:22:29

many goals in and we had to stop

that and we had started to do it on

0:22:290:22:33

Wednesday and again today. We can

build on the attacking play more

0:22:330:22:37

once we have established a solid

defensive unit and the players who

0:22:370:22:43

are injured, we have to try to get

them fit as quickly as possible. The

0:22:430:22:47

players playing at the moment have

to stay fit because there is not a

0:22:470:22:50

lot to choose from at the moment.

The players out of the team, a lot

0:22:500:22:55

of them will probably play midweek

in the last Europa Cup games so they

0:22:550:23:00

can give me a performance,

encouragement in terms of selecting

0:23:000:23:04

them if I need to going into this

very, very big Christmas period.

51

0:23:040:23:10

second clip, he said, dig in,

resilience, solid defensive unit.

0:23:100:23:18

That is what Everton needed. Just

him being there the other night gave

0:23:180:23:22

the place a lift, gave the

players... They knew they had to

0:23:220:23:25

perform for the new manager. David

Unsworth deserve some credit for

0:23:250:23:30

midweek as well but Sam Allardyce

turns up, everyone is thinking, in

0:23:300:23:34

no danger of going down. Everton

have struggled to accept they were

0:23:340:23:38

even in the relegation battle, the

board and the fans did not want to

0:23:380:23:42

even take it on board that they were

in a relegation battle. Now it looks

0:23:420:23:56

like they will not be in one. Can

Sam Allardyce take them higher

0:23:570:24:00

battling for European places? I

think he can. His best chance in

0:24:000:24:02

club management since he was at

Newcastle ten years ago to take the

0:24:020:24:05

club into Europe.

Spot on. The

perfect decision to make, bringing

0:24:050:24:07

him in. The issue they had was why

they waited so long. They should

0:24:070:24:12

have done it weeks ago before the

international break. But he is the

0:24:120:24:17

right man for the job. Like you say,

get them solid. The biggest thing

0:24:170:24:22

for them is the goals, the goals

they were conceding were incredible.

0:24:220:24:27

They have the players, Wayne Rooney,

Gylfi Sigurdsson, Ross Barkley still

0:24:270:24:32

to come back, they will win more

games than they lose if they can

0:24:320:24:36

defensively shore it up.

If I was

going to play devil's advocate, on

0:24:360:24:41

the other side... Why are you

laughing? That is my job! West Ham

0:24:410:24:47

and Huddersfield at home, if at the

start of David Unsworth's caretaker

0:24:470:24:51

manager run they had played

Westfield and Huddersfield at home,

0:24:510:24:56

arguably, they would have got

similar results -- West Ham and

0:24:560:25:01

Huddersfield. It is how the fixtures

fall sometimes.

But when you have a

0:25:010:25:06

manager like Sam Allardyce,

no-nonsense, the persona,

0:25:060:25:10

automatically players are like, I

need to put a performance in.

I have

0:25:100:25:14

said before, when he walks in, you

listen. You sit up and you think,

0:25:140:25:20

right, the manager is in, the boss

is in, he has a presence about him,

0:25:200:25:26

takes no-nonsense.

It is the aura.

As a player, you know you cannot get

0:25:260:25:30

away with anything. I have just had

it at Arsenal. We had a period of

0:25:300:25:36

caretaker manager, some players

believed in his philosophy, so how

0:25:360:25:39

do you get everyone on board? If you

have a no-nonsense manager and that

0:25:390:25:44

persona, you do, you are the leader.

Those players who were not on board

0:25:440:25:52

with the caretaker manager, they are

letting the club and the fans down.

0:25:520:25:54

Absolutely. But you look at the

performance of some of the players

0:25:540:25:57

yesterday, where were they in the

other games?

The players at Arsenal

0:25:570:26:01

who were a bit dubious about the

caretaker manager, I am assuming you

0:26:010:26:04

were not, you were one of the good

ones. Did you say, hang on, you are

0:26:040:26:12

being paid by the club, you have fun

supporting you, pull yourself

0:26:120:26:19

together?

It taught me the

importance of the top leadership.

0:26:190:26:24

You want to win, no one wants to not

perform. But when things are not

0:26:240:26:29

going right, you maybe have one

player thinking, they need to do

0:26:290:26:33

this. Ultimately, you need the

leader onside, this is what we are

0:26:330:26:37

doing, stick to the game plan. It is

just sometimes players might say,

0:26:370:26:42

this might help, but when it is to

the detriment of the team.

There are

0:26:420:26:48

always one or two who deviate but

that is when the manager needs to

0:26:480:26:51

be, right, I am in control, and you

will have situations where the

0:26:510:26:55

manager has to stamp his authority

on it. You will have incidents in

0:26:550:27:00

clubs for instance training,

something, the manager has to be

0:27:000:27:04

there. You will find players who try

to get away with things and it

0:27:040:27:13

happens at every club. You need a

manager who is strong and Sam is

0:27:130:27:17

that.

Are you treading water a bit

with caretaker manager? You think,

0:27:170:27:22

all right, maybe he wants me to do

that, let us see what happens with

0:27:220:27:27

the permanent manager. You do not

have to necessarily impress the

0:27:270:27:30

caretaker.

I have never been in that

situation, but I still want to show

0:27:300:27:35

the caretaker manager because you

never know who was coming in. The

0:27:350:27:38

new manager will watch the last five

games, he will be asking how players

0:27:380:27:43

are training, so he will get an

update on the players and if they

0:27:430:27:46

say, as soon as the manager got

sacked, he dropped his standards,

0:27:460:27:50

the manager will be like, OK, take

that on board, he will watch games

0:27:500:27:55

and see things.

You hope every

player has that mindset, mentality,

0:27:550:28:02

but sometimes people are on

different pages. You try as the

0:28:020:28:07

captain...

But players have

different mentalities. Some of the

0:28:070:28:11

players, did they let down David

Unsworth?

I think they did. Whether

0:28:110:28:15

they do it consciously, I am not

convinced of that. But

0:28:150:28:19

subconsciously, Ronald Koeman brings

in certain players, they will be

0:28:190:28:25

disappointed. Some might come in...

They might have spent money on

0:28:250:28:32

players but he might not want them.

They will be thinking, is my future

0:28:320:28:36

up in the air?

#bbcfootball. Here

are some of the ones on Arsenal's

0:28:360:28:44

defeat. Standard Arsenal, am I

missing something, been like it for

0:28:440:28:49

years? Susan, wondering what Hector

Bellerin's leg was doing in that

0:28:490:28:55

position for the red card for Paul

Pogba. Eugene says, there are no

0:28:550:29:02

positives, if anything, missing the

chances should worry Arsenal fans.

0:29:020:29:08

#bbcfootball. Stoke against Swansea.

I am not understating this, huge win

0:29:080:29:13

for your club yesterday.

Yeah. It

has been a difficult period. The

0:29:130:29:20

results, you get judged on your

results, for Foreman says have been

0:29:200:29:26

OK, we were losing games --

performances have been OK. You have

0:29:260:29:30

to stop it and we were lucky we did

that yesterday, played well enough

0:29:300:29:34

in parts of the game. We reacted

well to the goals so early, great

0:29:340:29:40

finish from Wilfried Bony. A must

win game for us, I thought

0:29:400:29:44

yesterday.

What is going wrong? You

look at the squad and you think,

0:29:440:29:49

there is a balance there, some good

centre halves, good midfielders,

0:29:490:29:55

does it boiled down to struggling to

score?

Well, we are losing goals as

0:29:550:30:01

well, that is difficult. Second

worst record in the league for

0:30:010:30:06

losing goals. That is a

disappointment. Over the years, and

0:30:060:30:11

we still do take pride in... Ryan

harps on about it, keeping clean

0:30:110:30:18

sheets, it is big for him, he wants

to do that. We are not used to

0:30:180:30:23

goals, 7-2 at Man City, beaten by

Liverpool... It is difficult. We

0:30:230:30:32

have good characters in the team.

They are the ones that pull us out

0:30:320:30:37

of the trenches when we are

struggling and we will be OK.

And

0:30:370:30:41

Mark Hughes, the opposite to the

others in that the players here

0:30:410:30:45

selecting he stays with to get you

out of it.

He does. The performances

0:30:450:30:51

have been good to a point. We have

got to a certain point in the pitch

0:30:510:30:55

when we have done well. Just the

final area, we were lacking for a

0:30:550:30:58

little bit. A couple of assists,

goals. That will come. We are coming

0:30:580:31:05

into a good period now, we play

three of the big ones in the next

0:31:050:31:11

couple of months, so we will look to

win every game, really, but it will

0:31:110:31:15

be difficult, the Premier League.

Yesterday, Swansea, one of the teams

0:31:150:31:20

we targeted, we felt we could win.

0:31:200:31:30

We deserve to be bottom because we

lost those games. A lot of them were

0:31:300:31:37

lost by a small margin but I cannot

say we have been unlucky. We should

0:31:370:31:41

be in a higher position. We have not

been good enough. Today was typical

0:31:410:31:48

us at this time.

Were you angry with

the way things are with your

0:31:480:31:53

players, the position they find

themselves in?

Very angry and very

0:31:530:31:58

disappointed with what we are

showing at the moment. Monday to

0:31:580:32:04

Friday, we focused, working. Teams

coming up against us, we're not

0:32:040:32:09

surprised by what they do either

individually or as a team. We are

0:32:090:32:13

thorough with our analysis, we go

through our preparation with

0:32:130:32:17

professionalism. What we are

managing to do is not turn our good

0:32:170:32:22

work in the week into winning

matches at the weekend.

There are

0:32:220:32:27

disturbing stats for Swansea fans.

0:32:270:32:31

One win in their last 12

Premier League games for Swansea.

0:32:310:32:34

They've only collected one point

out of a possible 21,

0:32:340:32:36

and that was a 0-0 draw

at home to Bournemouth.

0:32:360:32:39

They've also had fewer shots

than any other side at this stage

0:32:390:32:41

of a Premier League season

since 2004, mustering only 27.

0:32:410:32:44

They've scored eight goals

in their 15 matches.

0:32:440:32:47

Wilfried Bony's strike yesterday

was their first since October.

0:32:470:32:57

If you sell goofy Sigurdsson and

Fernando Llorente, you get Hamilton

0:32:580:33:06

in on loan, and you bring in Wilfred

Bonney, it cannot be a surprise your

0:33:060:33:11

goal strop, can it?

Not at all, but

like I was saying about Bournemouth,

0:33:110:33:18

Swansea are a success story if you

look back over the last 20 years

0:33:180:33:22

where they were, nearly going out of

business. They are a success. Them

0:33:220:33:30

being at the bottom of the Premier

League is not the end of the world.

0:33:300:33:34

It might feel like it at the moment,

but they are a success story. They

0:33:340:33:38

have two balance the books. I don't

think we take into account enough,

0:33:380:33:46

geographically, it's not easy. They

are almost cut off from the rest of

0:33:460:33:50

the Premier League. Fans, players,

long journeys. How easy is it for

0:33:500:33:55

them to attract the top players to

Swansea. They would rather go to

0:33:550:34:03

London, Manchester. Various

circumstances conspiring against

0:34:030:34:05

them. But as you say, losing players

like that, Sigurdsson, desperately

0:34:050:34:10

wanted to get out, he wanted the

move. Eventually you come to the

0:34:100:34:14

point where you have got to let him

go. The same goes for Llorente,

0:34:140:34:25

you're going to say Spurs, please.

Let's go.

Do you think where they

0:34:250:34:29

are makes a massive difference to

attract players?

Players like

0:34:290:34:42

Newcastle, David Ginola, he then

wanted to be in London.

And yet

0:34:420:34:50

players love it. Their families love

it, kids. A lot of the form players

0:34:500:34:59

find it difficult because London and

Manchester are big attractions. When

0:34:590:35:02

you get an opportunity to play in

the Premier League, it doesn't

0:35:020:35:05

matter where you play, Swansea,

Newcastle, it should be a privilege

0:35:050:35:10

to play in the Premier League.

It

comes down to your environment. If

0:35:100:35:15

you are going into training, you

create a good environment you are

0:35:150:35:19

going into everyday, it doesn't

matter where you are because you

0:35:190:35:23

have it every day and you are

enjoying what you're doing.

How bad

0:35:230:35:28

weather yesterday, how diplomatic

can you be?

I don't think they were

0:35:280:35:32

at the level of previous seasons.

Because Abraham is up there and he

0:35:320:35:42

can run in behind, they are a nice

footballing team. Paul Clement said

0:35:420:35:47

they are the bottom of the league

because they haven't produced. It

0:35:470:35:51

would be more refreshing to hear

other managers coming out and saying

0:35:510:35:54

that.

Do you think he sounds like a

man who thinks the game is nearly

0:35:540:36:00

up? Some of the newspaper quotes are

pretty defeatist.

It goes back to

0:36:000:36:06

the mentality of certain players. I

can take it, you can take it, but

0:36:060:36:12

other players will be saying, what

is he saying that for, he is our

0:36:120:36:16

manager. It is knowing who you can

say those things do and who you

0:36:160:36:21

can't.

Don't the Swansea players

need some home truths, they are the

0:36:210:36:28

bottom of the Premier League. He did

say they are as prepared as they can

0:36:280:36:32

be Monday to Friday.

The players say

the training is brilliant, everyday

0:36:320:36:39

there is something different,

wonderful coach, still learning. He

0:36:390:36:44

is still an inexperienced manager,

he has only had two jobs. But he

0:36:440:36:48

will learn from this. I like how he

wants his team to play. He has been

0:36:480:36:54

at Chelsea, Real Madrid, be in

Munich, he is a good manager and

0:36:540:36:58

good coach.

Some managers are

cutouts just to be a number two. Are

0:36:580:37:12

some meant to be assistant managers.

I think some are scared to take a

0:37:120:37:18

manager's job because they are

comfortable as a number two. But he

0:37:180:37:22

wants to take it on the chin, he

wants to be an number one. It is a

0:37:220:37:28

difficult situation. If you have an

manager will take you everywhere at

0:37:280:37:32

a different club, why would you put

yourself at risk?

Some of those

0:37:320:37:38

players have improved under him.

Alfie Mawson. He did improve them

0:37:380:37:45

defensively last season. Alfie

Mawson, it is one. He seems to have

0:37:450:37:52

developed under Paul Clement. They

have only lost eight games by one

0:37:520:37:55

goal. So you are talking fine

margins, would you stick with him?

0:37:550:38:01

It is fine margins.

Tony Pulis is

out of a job.

What is the

0:38:010:38:10

difference? Wayne Routledge is

enjoying, developing players.

Do you

0:38:100:38:16

think the spectre of Tony Pulis is

handing over clubs at the bottom

0:38:160:38:20

having changed their manager?

It is

getting goals at the other end, not

0:38:200:38:27

just defence.

Yes, you sort your

defence out, you can get one on the

0:38:270:38:31

break. One goal margins are big in

the Premier League. Defensively, if

0:38:310:38:36

you are losing two or three, you are

having to score four goals every

0:38:360:38:40

game, it is going to be difficult.

Do you think he is on his way?

He

0:38:400:38:47

sounds like a man who thinks he is.

I have heard Tony Pulis saying

0:38:470:38:53

similar things before he has left a

job. There are certain things that

0:38:530:38:56

managers when you know things have

come to an end. And that for me was

0:38:560:39:03

Paul Clement.

Liverpool beat

Brighton 5-1 yesterday. The free

0:39:030:39:10

kick went under the wall. Philip

Coutinho paid tribute to the analyst

0:39:100:39:16

he has at the club for spotting

that. Is it the kind of thing you

0:39:160:39:23

look at during the week, what a wall

does?

Yes, we have done similar when

0:39:230:39:29

I was at Rangers against Celtic. I

looked at the goalkeeper and he was

0:39:290:39:34

telling his wall to jump and that is

what made me go under it. But small

0:39:340:39:42

margins and the video analysis you

can get now is incredible. Players

0:39:420:39:47

look at it, some players don't. When

I am playing I am looking at, can I

0:39:470:39:53

get an edge, what about a set play,

like we have just said, under the

0:39:530:39:58

wall. Does a person do the same

thing in certain situations.

It is

0:39:580:40:02

always getting that edge. I want to

know who I am up against, do they

0:40:020:40:08

take you on the outside, so I am

prepared. I suppose you have too

0:40:080:40:13

applaud the backroom staff who look

for all those little details and

0:40:130:40:16

they feed the players the

information. It is down to the

0:40:160:40:20

player whether they take it on board

but after training, they analyse

0:40:200:40:24

everything and look for the small

details.

Did you use call the

0:40:240:40:29

Rangers goal?

Yes. Under the wall.

We won the game, which was nice as

0:40:290:40:35

well.

TV didn't do it as much

justice, if you look at some of the

0:40:350:40:43

stills in the papers, with how high

Brighton are jumping and the ball

0:40:430:40:47

going under. Some amazing

photographs.

They you at a dinner

0:40:470:40:54

Hazard, a little chip and the

goalkeeper going the wrong way.

0:40:540:40:59

There are analysts at other clubs

watching how you take free kicks

0:40:590:41:01

penalties so you can double bluff

yourself?

Yes, you can do.

This

0:41:010:41:11

analyst will know I always put my

penalties this way, do I go the

0:41:110:41:14

other way?

Wayne Rooney, practices

penalties with Joe Hart and then he

0:41:140:41:21

nearly missed it. Maybe it was a bit

of luck, going under the wall.

0:41:210:41:30

The 4pm kick off today

is Manchester City

0:41:300:41:32

at home to West Ham.

0:41:320:41:33

City looking to go eight

points clear again.

0:41:330:41:36

West Ham have conceded

30 goals already,

0:41:360:41:38

in advance of going to City.

0:41:380:41:42

Can you see them holding out?

Know,

West Ham fans going into this game,

0:41:420:41:48

they know it is their expectation.

It is a free pass, every game. If

0:41:480:41:54

they get anything out of it, great

but it will be a tough day.

Has been

0:41:540:41:59

a tough start for David and will be

worse in the next few games. The

0:41:590:42:03

biggest thing for them will be going

there. Manchester City will be big

0:42:030:42:08

favourites. But they don't want to

be losing three, four or five goals.

0:42:080:42:13

If they can get away with 2-0, maybe

Nick a point, it will be great but

0:42:130:42:19

it will be a difficult afternoon.

Nobody could think they could get

0:42:190:42:23

everything out of it. Also it is a

big game for Joe Hart. He's out of

0:42:230:42:27

the team, so if a dream comes in and

is well it will have a big knock-on

0:42:270:42:33

affect the Joe Hart because he might

stay out of the side and a World Cup

0:42:330:42:36

chances go with it.

Manchester City

players, on yellow cards, Vincent

0:42:360:42:42

Kompany is one of those, will he be

rested in time to the Derby next

0:42:420:42:47

week.

It is interesting, will he

rest him?

He has enough options.

He

0:42:470:42:56

has a lot of games coming up. It

will be the end of December before

0:42:560:43:01

the booking is clear. He will be

looking to see which game to pick.

0:43:010:43:08

If West Ham do do anything, it will

be interesting next week. The

0:43:080:43:13

specially for the neutrals, they

will be hoping West Ham can just get

0:43:130:43:19

it.

They probably will make changes.

They are eight points clear, he

0:43:190:43:24

would still think Manchester City

will get this.

If West Ham get this,

0:43:240:43:29

it could give David Moyes the spark

to get things going.

He is popular

0:43:290:43:35

among the football press, you think

he deserves a break somewhere along

0:43:350:43:38

the line. You almost want him to get

a decent result to give him a bit of

0:43:380:43:45

confidence, to kick-start his

career.

That's it, we are out of

0:43:450:43:49

time.

0:43:490:43:50

Thanks to Charlie, Alex and Shaun.

0:43:500:43:52

Both of today's Premier League

games are live on 5 Live.

0:43:520:43:54

Highlights on Match of the Day

2 on BBC One tonight.

0:43:540:43:57

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