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Hello and welcome to Match

of the Day 2 Extra.

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We're on BBC Two, 5 Live,

the BBC Sport website and app,

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as well as the iPlayer.

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A huge day of football.

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Joining me today, former

Newcastle and Manchester City

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goalkeeper Shay Given,

Andy Cole, who won five

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Premier League titles

with Manchester United,

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and the Times' chief football

writer, Henry Winter.

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Plenty for you to discuss. Send us a

text on 85058. Use the hash tag

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#bbcfootball. This lunchtime we will

be discussing derby day.

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We'll discuss the Manchester derby,

arguably the biggest game

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of the season so far,

which is live on 5 Live at 4.30pm.

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We'll also be at Anfield ahead

of the Merseyside derby,

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with Liverpool playing

Sam Allardyce's Everton at 2.15pm.

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Updates from Southampton

against Arsenal.

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They have had just over 15 minutes

and Southampton lead 1-0. Charlie

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Austin with the goal.

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And we'll talk penalties

after Christian Benteke insisted

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to take and then missed one

in injury time as Palace

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drew with Bournemouth.

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As far as the papers are

concerned...

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The Express, "You can Conte us out",

with Antonio Conte conceding Chelsea

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won't retain their title

after a fourth defeat of the season

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yesterday at West Ham.

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The Mirror, "Cynical City",

with Jose Mourinho urging referee

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Michael Oliver to clamp down

on the cynical side

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of Pep Guardiola's team

and what he calls "tactical fouls".

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The Sun, "Top dogs, dirty dogs",

with Vincent Kompany claiming

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City have been top dogs

since Sir Alex Ferguson retired,

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whilst also referencing those

Jose Mourinho quotes.

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We will come to the Manchester on

Merseyside derbies in a moment.

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Details from Southampton.

Southampton lead 1-0, played 18

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minutes. A really good start to this

game. Charlie Austin got the goal

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within two minutes, 1-2 with recent

adage after a mistake by Per

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Mertesacker. Both sides have had

chances since. Arsenal a moment ago

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with the ball inside Southampton's

penalty area. Flowing counterattack

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from Southampton: ending with a

last-minute tackle. Chris Sutton

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alongside me.

A really good start.

Arsenal did not start the game well,

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Per Mertesacker, Charlie Austin made

him pay. Southampton have started

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the brighter, they should have been

two up. Charlie Austin missed one.

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Petr Cech made a smart save.

Arsenal

feeling the way back into it.

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Defensively, concerning so far from

the home side. 90 minutes played.

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Saints 1-0 Arsenal.

Chris Sutton

sounded like he is merely enjoying

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himself! We will have plenty of

updates over the next 45 minutes on

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MOTD2 Extra. Manchester United at

home to City, the derby. City clear

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of the united by eight points at the

moment. If they lose this, United,

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that is the title?

It will be very

difficult to win it if someone goes

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11 points clear mid-December, very

difficult. Manchester United have to

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go into the game thinking they have

to win it. Home team, that is what

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you have to do anyway.

When it or

not lose it?

Win it. If they draw,

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eight points adrift. If they play

like they did last week, they will

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have a chance.

There is therefore a

freedom for City but in every game

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there is a freedom for City, does

not matter, they do not alter their

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style.

That is Pep Guardiola's

management style, from Barcelona and

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my

Bayern Munich. Today will be gone

meat no different.

They will play

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expansive fantastic football, they

have done or season. -- I fancy

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City.

What do you make... Loads of

the pack pages have gone with it,

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two days ago, City's players go over

with a gust of wind, now if they

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lose the ball, they commit tactical

fouls?

Jose Mourinho said it in the

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past, the match begins in the press

conference. This happened in Spain.

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He wants the press conference to be

at the same time as Pep Guardiola's.

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Lunchtime in Manchester, the two of

them. So that they could not react

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to what the other was saying. What

Jose Mourinho did, very clever, the

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live stuff, he talked about the

Manchester City players going down,

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if there is a bit of wind around, so

he got the point to Michael Oliver

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about Man City players diving which

went to the back pages of the

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Saturday, then he talk to the Sunday

newspapers, tactical fouling. Jose

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Mourinho has probably got a check

list, diving, tactical fouling...

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Classic Jose Mourinho, putting

pressure on Michael Oliver.

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Therefore, if Michael Oliver got

something wrong today, he is partly

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responsible, for piling on the

pressure?

But he is very clever

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because he just says enough without

necessarily stirring the FA

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disciplinary group. Technically, he

is not supposed to talk about the

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referee in advance. He is putting

the pressure on the referee by

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talking about the Man City players.

We all know his players do it as

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well.

What I would say, Michael is

one of the best referees in the

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league and he will not be fazed by

it. You could argue he is stepping

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out of line by making these comments

before the game because the game

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does not need building up, biggest

of the season, he is maybe trying to

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get away from, I don't know, as

Henry says, putting the pressure on

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officials.

Players

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will not be bothered by this, will

they?

Not at all.

It is a nonsense.

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Your manager can say what they need

to up the press conference, day

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before the game, whatever, once the

team's walk-out, the managers,

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irrelevant, the players have to

produce the goals, passing

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movements.

Going back to... We can

go and talk to the tactical side of

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the game, use a must win for Man

United, do you expect them to go at

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City from the start? -- you say it

is a must win. You expect them to

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sit back and defend and blast them

on the break?

I could see that

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today, late counterattacking

football. They have the pace up

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front. I was saying fair earlier,

early goal, it opens up the game,

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just like it did last week. -- I was

saying off air earlier. Hopefully,

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we get that, otherwise it will be

very tactical. It makes a big

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difference who gets the first goal.

Will City be vulnerable to the

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counterattack, given there will be

space arguably to exploit behind the

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full-backs, certainly Kyle

Walker...?

My concern from the City

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point of view would be set plays

with the height Man United have the

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advantage over Man City. If they get

the right delivery with Romelu

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Lukaku and the likes, Aaron Fulani

might come in, don't know the team

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yet, physically, they are stronger

in the air -- Maroney Fellini. I do

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not know if the fans would accept

that, or, do you think they are

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superior at the minute? I don't

know.

Big decision. I would be very

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surprised. Old Trafford. You cannot

do it at Old Trafford. But I am not

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the manager. It is a lot easier for

me to say. When you play at Old

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Trafford you have to go out and win

games. Man City plagues well, you

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still have to say, we need to win.

Such a massive game is so easy in

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this -- Man City playing so well,

you still have to say, we need to

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win, such a massive game so early in

the season.

There is this whole

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thing about the Manchester City

being vulnerable about set pieces,

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they miss John Stones, fantastic

season. But it was the West Ham goal

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for Ogbonna.

Huddersfield scored

from a corner as well.

Deflected

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goal. In recent weeks, they have

only conceded two this season.

That

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is their slight vulnerability.

Post-match interview last week after

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the win over West Ham, Pep Guardiola

said to the BBC that if they are

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vulnerable at set pieces, the

easiest thing is not to concede the

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set pieces which I imagine is maybe

easier said than done in the heat of

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a Manchester derby.

Man United will

have to come and attack and it is

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inevitable they will get corners and

free kicks. They have to stand up to

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that, Man City.

A couple of things

from the papers today, the Mail on

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Sunday, this is the one I have read,

a really good interview with Raheem

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Sterling about how he has learnt,

how he has developed his game. You

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talk to him on England duty as well,

is this the Raheem Sterling you

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recognise?

This is the Raheem

Sterling I recognise since he has

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been working with Pep Guardiola. You

hear the stories from training about

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how Pep Guardiola works with him,

almost physically moving him around.

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13 goals this season, the sort of

goals, you question his

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decision-making in the past, some of

his movement, now, he is pausing

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before shooting, looking...

The

quote in this on his finishing is

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brilliant. He said, before it was

pure excitement. My God, I in front

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of goal! About to score. I have

missed. He says, candidly. I always

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looked back at the chances

afterwards and asked, why am I

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rushing? Why are my legs moving so

quickly? When he scored in the

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Champions League, he said, I had a

look to see where the keeper was and

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I knew I had an extra second, I took

my time, I relaxed, I looked where I

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could put the ball in the... In the

past, I would have just kicked it.

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It sounds like he is teaching

himself patients. Which I am

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assuming you found naturally. You

were an out and out finisher.

When

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you read that earlier on, I was at

home having a chuckle. When you are

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there, you have more time than you

think. People think, you have a

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split second. If you are relaxed,

you have longer. Some of his

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finishing, he is changing his mind.

Already celebrating before he kicks

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the ball. You can't. Now he is

improving, week in, week out.

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Sometimes he has been made

scapegoat, in good positions, not

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taking chances.

Did you find at the

start of your career, Bristol City

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days, even Arsenal as a kid, where

you always relaxed in front of goal?

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Did you get more relaxed more

experience?

Yeah, of course. But

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once you are in no, you know how

much time you have. Ultimately, if

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the defender makes the tackle,

otherwise, it is a penalty. You go

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to whatever: you believe it is

right. He was shooting as quickly as

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possible.

Michael Owen makes the

point that school football is really

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important because then you are

probably the best player there and

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you will get ten chances. Academy

football, you get two, three. He

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says one of the reasons he got all

the records was because he had

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chance after chance. As Andy says,

he was calm in the box because he

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knew another chance would come soon.

In many ways, one of the reasons why

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Raheem Sterling has had to teach

himself that or partly be coached

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about that is because finishing is

not the natural thing for him when

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he was a winner.

Getting in

fantastic positions last season,

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fluffing his lines, he even says to

himself he was panicking, now like a

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totally different player. One-on-one

with the goalkeeper, he says

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himself, he has the calmness to

finish and I think a lot comes from

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the manager. Pep Guardiola is

saying, I believe in you. You can

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only get better and improve. Raheem

Sterling this season has been one of

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the players of the season.

The other

thing Man City fans probably will

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not like in the article but is kind

of refreshing when it comes to

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British football, looking at the

bigger picture, him wanting to play

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abroad for his own development. City

fans do not want to hear it. But not

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enough British footballers say that.

Man City have fantastic players

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coming through. Raheem Sterling is

not one of their own. He does not

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have that instinct of loyalty

necessarily. I think it is

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fantastic. The more English players

who go overseas, the better it will

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be for their development personally

and professionally and the better

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for the national team. Very

interesting he's doing these

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interviews because he is trying to

change his image, not his image, he

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was almost the poster boy for

England's failings at the last

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tournament which was unfair because

there were so many issues behind the

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scenes and with the manager and

other players.

Arguably, through how

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certain newspapers treated him...

On

one side, I would not dispute that.

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Some of the criticism was wrong.

When he was getting that criticism

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in the Euros, Pep Guardiola called

him up and said, I cannot wait to

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work with you. Shay's point about

how important the manager is is very

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important.

From Man United's point

of view, who is most important for

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them this afternoon, Romelu Lukaku,

Anthony Marciano or Jesse Lingard

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assuming that is the three that play

together?

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The three of them. The way those

three played last week, that's what

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you want to see some looking at

that, I will say they are all going

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to be very big assets for Manchester

United this afternoon.

Pogba is a

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massive loss and it's a huge

advantage to Man City. He will

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probably be at Old Trafford

twiddling his thumbs, thinking why

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aren't I on the pitch.

And I agree

with you, so why has Graeme Souness

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written, Pogba ban can only help

United.

I don't know, Graeme Souness

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is an old-fashioned, fantastic

midfielder don't get me wrong, but

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the game has changed so much. It's

quicker. Graeme Souness is a hard

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tackling midfielder so him and Pogba

are totally different players.

Every

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time I mention that column, you

giggle.

I think Graeme has a bee in

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his bonnet about Pogba. He's played

really well at the back end of last

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season and for some reason Graeme

doesn't see him as a proper player

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midfield. I don't know why.

He goes

on to say United are defensively

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better without him him. He's all

over the place, positionally.

I

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think Manchester United are

completely different team when they

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have his dynamism. The way he

destroyed Koscielny with setting up

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the goal. I think there is a bit of

old school, you can't imagine Graeme

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Souness wanting to have an in MotoGP

of himself. But that's this

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generation, I think it's fantastic.

-- an emoji of himself.

That would

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be hilarious, Graeme Souness having

his own emoji! Never justified over

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a season his transfer fee. Fill in

Northwich, City fans moaning

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a season his transfer fee. Fill in

Northwich, City fans moaning, at

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least we have a bus to park and not

broken down defence. Get in touch.

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Let's find out if Southampton

Arsenal are still entertaining.

It

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certainly is. Southampton still

leading 1-0. Arsenal have crept back

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into the game in the last five

minutes and have their best

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opportunity. Aaron Ramsey, a

pull-back to him, driven towards the

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bottom corner. And the keeper got

done so sharply to save it.

Yes,

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right back in it now, on the edge of

the box. They are pinning

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Southampton back. It's all Arsenal

at the moment, if you are

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Southampton you just want to get a

half-time.

Great game, it really is.

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Still 13 minutes to go until

half-time.

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There's also the Merseyside

derby this afternoon.

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Liverpool versus Everton at 2.15pm.

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Steve Wilson's at Anfield

for Match Of The Day 2.

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Here we are at Anfield, with Mark

Lawrenson. Local difficulty coming

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up here between Liverpool and

Everton, the first of two and the

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Cup draw has added piquancy to this

fixture but it never really needs

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it.

No, and I think as well the

build-up has been interesting when

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you consider that Everton played on

the Thursday night but no one who's

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going to play probably played on the

Thursday night and Sam didn't go. I

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think he will turn up with a plan

whether that's in terms of formation

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or what remains to be seen. What's

interesting from Liverpool's point

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of view is the fab four, whether

they can maintain the kind of form

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they have shown because they have

been brilliant. I would say with

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Liverpool, they are the best team in

the league is considering the wave

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Manchester City have just got over

the line with some of the games.

You

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have played in enough of these games

to know sometimes the football game

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doesn't break out in some of these

Merseyside derbies and that would

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suit Everton.

Yes, but I would say

in my day they throw the ball on

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after half an hour, that's obviously

no longer. Everton completely

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changed the system and were lucky to

get nil. Up they will have to be

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confident. It will be interesting to

see whether Liverpool can have the

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time and space to knock the ball

about. I suggest probably not.

And

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of course Sam Allardyce is the last

manager to have come here and won,

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he did that with Crystal Palace in

April.

Doesn't count.

But he will go

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back to that blueprint and tried to

recreate the performance if they

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can.

Everyone knows what he's about,

he's a good manager in these

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situations so I suggest they will

probably go along, he will hate me

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for saying that but try to win all

the second balls. He will definitely

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have a plan. Before these games we

generally get to find out what the

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teams are and the systems, not

anything coming out of Goodison Park

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so he's definitely got a plan.

Liverpool have scored 40 goals in 11

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games, Manchester City have scored

23 goals in their last 11 games so

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Liverpool have scored 17 more games

than rampaging Manchester City.

It

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is now rampaging Liverpool.

Liverpool are the best team in the

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league in terms of football they

play and I would suggest they are

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every neutral supporter's favourite

team.

But they are not going to

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catch Manchester City.

They're not.

Every time Mark Lawrenson said

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Liverpool were the best team in the

league, you looked like you are

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going to punch me! It's not me

saying it.

I can understand it but

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they are 14 points behind Manchester

City. It's wrong! If Liverpool are

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14 points clear then yes, it's a

no-brainer. If Manchester City win

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today, for me they will probably win

the league. Liverpool are long way

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off.

She didn't like the fab four

journalism, but what are we going to

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call them? The awesome foursome.

They are fantastic going forward, I

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still think you would pick the

majority of Manchester City's

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defence ahead of Liverpool's. I

think there's a Manchester City's

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team which Liverpool have still got

to do. There is still a debate about

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whether Henderson should be starting

in midfield.

Why do you think there

0:23:400:23:45

is that? He's Liverpool captain, why

is there a debate around it?

If you

0:23:450:23:52

talk to Liverpool fans, some of them

feel that when you have this

0:23:520:23:56

attacking potential, let rip quickly

and he can sometimes take extra

0:23:560:23:59

time. Actually he's pretty good,

certainly a developing player.

So if

0:23:590:24:10

you have the pace up front, Andrew,

I want the ball quickly?

Definitely.

0:24:100:24:17

As a centre forward, wide, all the

boys want it quickly because they

0:24:170:24:27

want to punish the defence quickly.

You take the extra run, straightaway

0:24:270:24:32

you are getting down about it. I

know what you're saying about

0:24:320:24:36

Henderson because sometimes he gets

the extra touch, he's not the Steven

0:24:360:24:40

Gerrard who can get it at his feet

and go.

At the risk of angering you

0:24:400:24:47

again, Shay, since Liverpool were

thumped by Spurs at the end of

0:24:470:24:50

September they have conceded just

three in the league since then, won

0:24:500:24:55

seven out of nine and drew the other

two so they have four. The defensive

0:24:550:25:00

statistic might surprise people.

Yes, because when they concede a

0:25:000:25:07

goal, they were 3-0 in Europe

against Seville, then came back to

0:25:070:25:16

3-3, when you say that three goals

in the last number of games that's

0:25:160:25:23

very good defensive work by the

whole team so maybe Klopp has worked

0:25:230:25:27

on it and improved on it. Maybe

three months ago they would have won

0:25:270:25:34

7-3, they have tightened things up.

It's whether he plays a right back

0:25:340:25:39

and Clement has been decent in

recent games.

Let's talk Everton. We

0:25:390:25:46

can hear from Gini Wijnaldum.

Back-to-back home wins, scoring

0:25:460:25:53

plenty of goals, is this the best

place you have felt in Everton this

0:25:530:25:58

season?

I think so, we were up to a

very slow start but hopefully things

0:25:580:26:03

are turning round now. There's more

confidence in the team, more

0:26:030:26:07

passivity around the players so it's

on the right track.

Sam Allardyce

0:26:070:26:11

got an incredibly good reception

when he walked out just before

0:26:110:26:14

kick-off, what's it been like with

him?

It's been good, he knows what

0:26:140:26:20

he wants.

18 years since Everton won

at Anfield, that's far too long,

0:26:200:26:32

isn't it?

You are speaking to

someone from Iceland where you are

0:26:320:26:36

probably the underdog in all of the

games. I know anything is possible

0:26:360:26:43

in football and if he can carry on

what we've been doing in the last

0:26:430:26:46

couple of games, we will have a good

chance of getting a good result.

He

0:26:460:26:52

talks about the underdog, should

Everton be the underdog?

What, in

0:26:520:26:58

this fixture? Yes. In terms of

what's happened this season, in

0:26:580:27:03

terms of the uncertainty of the

manager.

This season, fair enough.

0:27:030:27:09

The bigger picture? Should be still

be underdogs?

Yes, absolutely. I

0:27:090:27:16

think so. Looking at it historically

they have fantastic periods in their

0:27:160:27:20

history, Liverpool over the last 40

years have had fantastic periods and

0:27:200:27:25

maybe it suits Sam Allardyce to play

up the underdog thing. It's

0:27:250:27:31

interesting to see how quickly they

have responded. It's going to be

0:27:310:27:35

interesting to see how Pickford

plays today, because Joe Hart

0:27:350:27:43

missing at the weekend, he will

still be England's number one but

0:27:430:27:46

it's a big game for Pickford.

How

can Joe Hart continue to be

0:27:460:27:54

England's number one if he isn't

playing for West Ham when Gareth

0:27:540:27:58

Southgate has said he needs his

players to be playing club football?

0:27:580:28:03

I think Gareth Southgate is probably

hoping reporters are not checking

0:28:030:28:09

back. Exactly that, he's going to be

accused of inconsistency. He's also

0:28:090:28:14

said he will go into the World Cup

the most experienced player, with

0:28:140:28:22

the most caps, as captain.

But

slightly off the subject, just on

0:28:220:28:33

that, Joe Hart can't be England's

goalkeeper in the World Cup if he

0:28:330:28:37

isn't playing for West Ham when

Pickford, Butland... There are

0:28:370:28:47

English keepers playing week in week

out.

I think Jordan would struggle

0:28:470:28:53

starting the World Cup but it's only

one game so if you drop one game, it

0:28:530:28:57

is still seven months to the World

Cup. Nearer the time would be the

0:28:570:29:02

time to make the decision, not mid

December. Joe Hart is an experienced

0:29:020:29:07

goalkeeper. In tournament football

as well. Pickford and the others

0:29:070:29:12

have never played in tournament

football before. Joe Hart will know

0:29:120:29:17

himself, if he's not playing for

West Ham for the rest of the season,

0:29:170:29:20

not saying he wouldn't, but if he

didn't he would struggle in the

0:29:200:29:25

World Cup.

When Everton beat West

Ham in the midweek game a couple of

0:29:250:29:30

weeks ago when Rooney was deeper, do

you think you will be deeper for

0:29:300:29:35

Everton this season now?

I would

imagine so. After that performance

0:29:350:29:39

as well, after some performances

early on this season, I think that

0:29:390:29:43

his strongest position. He can

virtually dictate the game from that

0:29:430:29:47

area. Some of its finishing, Wayne

Rooney of old, he's still quality

0:29:470:29:53

player. Everton, the problem is for

me, Lukaku. You have got to play a

0:29:530:30:08

centre forward if you buy him.

If

you play Rooney even deeper, you can

0:30:080:30:15

get Sigurdsson.

The positive I

suppose is he probably wouldn't be

0:30:150:30:19

playing through the middle. A player

who did well at the end of last

0:30:190:30:24

season for Everton, then seemed to

fall out of favour with Ronald

0:30:240:30:27

Koeman for whatever reason.

0:30:270:30:31

It seemed Ronald Koeman said, I

don't like you. Cumani cars. Maybe

0:30:310:30:40

he could have got a hat-trick.

Keeper made a couple of good saves

0:30:400:30:45

as well -- Niasse. Pace on the

counterattack, that might be a

0:30:450:30:53

weapon Ronald Koeman might look out

for.

Can you see them getting

0:30:530:30:57

anything out of it?

They might, it

might be tough.

Always a dangerous

0:30:570:31:07

position to be in when you start

agreeing with Lawro!

It is going to

0:31:070:31:15

be difficult.

I cannot see it. I

hate to mention the fab four.

0:31:150:31:23

Nothing for Everton for you?

He has

improved the defence, you can see it

0:31:230:31:29

with Ashley Williams and's

performances, but Liverpool are

0:31:290:31:32

frightening going forward.

Christian

Benteke was influential that day, he

0:31:320:31:39

was also influential yesterday, but

for the wrong reasons, we will talk

0:31:390:31:44

about his performance for Palace

after a half-time update at St

0:31:440:31:49

Mary's.

Classy goal from Charlie

Austin is the difference.

0:31:490:31:53

Southampton leading 1-0. Charlie

Austin's goal was a combination with

0:31:530:32:00

Tadic and a good finish from the

front man. His fifth of the season.

0:32:000:32:04

He could have had a second soon

after. Arsenal's best chance was a

0:32:040:32:11

shot from Chris Ramsey wonderfully

saved by Fraser Forster. Both sides

0:32:110:32:15

looked vulnerable to the other

side's counterattacks.

Sloppy start

0:32:150:32:21

by Arsenal. Well taken goal by

Charlie Austin. They should have

0:32:210:32:25

been 2-0 up. Arsenal have come back

into it, smart save from Fraser

0:32:250:32:31

Forster, Arsenal finished the

stronger, but Southampton look a

0:32:310:32:35

threat on the break.

Arsenal missing

the chance to go back into the top

0:32:350:32:40

four this lunchtime.

Plenty of

updates on the second half through

0:32:400:32:43

the course of the afternoon.

Goalless in the Scottish Premiership

0:32:430:32:50

lunchtime game. Text from a Roy in

Peterborough, when Royal Palace get

0:32:500:32:56

a real striker? Christian Benteke

has been a waste of money. -- when

0:32:560:33:02

will Palace. Roy Hodgson admitted

afterwards he was not supposed to

0:33:020:33:06

take the penalty.

It is fairly

obvious, my thoughts. The management

0:33:060:33:10

decide who the penalty takers are

and we do not expect players in the

0:33:100:33:14

course of the game to change those

decisions. But we are not on the

0:33:140:33:18

pitch. Had it been a training

session, we could have done

0:33:180:33:21

something. It was a Premier League

game and although we tried to shout

0:33:210:33:28

out our instructions, they did not

get as far as the penalty spot.

Is

0:33:280:33:32

there an argument he should have

shouted louder?

No argument at all

0:33:320:33:36

from me. The penalty taker is your

penalty taker. You need those three

0:33:360:33:44

points. I am not sure why Christian

Benteke thought he could take it.

Is

0:33:440:33:50

the responsibility from all of the

players to stand up to Benteke and

0:33:500:33:54

say, you are not the penalty taker,

you are not taking this?

There

0:33:540:33:59

should be no confusion, I agree with

Andrew. They have lost two points,

0:33:590:34:04

they could be crucial at the end of

the season, they could get relegated

0:34:040:34:08

or stay up on the back of it. Roy

Hodgson is fuming. Bubbling

0:34:080:34:12

underneath. He has given the penalty

taker... Benteke should not be

0:34:120:34:18

anywhere near the penalty spot. I

played with Christian at Aston

0:34:180:34:24

Villa, I know he will be gutted.

So

he should be. Centre forward

0:34:240:34:30

sometimes they feel like they should

be taking penalties.

Me personally,

0:34:300:34:34

I did not take penalties for a

reason. If my team is in that

0:34:340:34:38

position, I know we need the three

points, my ego is put aside.

0:34:380:34:43

Christian's penalty record is not

that great.

Awful. He has scored two

0:34:430:34:48

in five for Palace. He has missed

three including yesterday. Scored

0:34:480:34:55

nine in 14 overall. Missed nearly a

third of his penalties.

I was

0:34:550:35:00

wanting to ask Andrew, the whole

idea of penalties, do you think they

0:35:000:35:04

should count totals? You one,

Fulham, they do count, but do you

0:35:040:35:12

think it this value is the totals?

If I say yes people say...

Is that

0:35:120:35:20

yes?

Alan Shearer is doing Match of

the Day 2! Tried telling Alan

0:35:200:35:35

Shearer penalties don't count! From

the goalkeeper's point of view,

0:35:350:35:40

would you have any advantage if

there are two penalties in the same

0:35:400:35:44

game taken by the same player? If

the same player had taken the second

0:35:440:35:48

penalty after scoring the first,

would you feel like you had any

0:35:480:35:53

advantage?

I don't think so, it

comes down to mind games, game of

0:35:530:35:57

poker, will he go the same way? Alan

Shearer, one the best. The

0:35:570:36:03

goalkeeper up against Alan Shearer,

they would still be fearing the

0:36:030:36:05

outcome would be in the back of the

net. His penalty was top-quality

0:36:050:36:11

yesterday, unbelievable. Was not

like it was lucky.

Let him take it

0:36:110:36:14

again. I do not know if these of

Palace fans texting in, there are

0:36:140:36:19

not impressed either way. Benteke

should be dropped. Gary, fine him

0:36:190:36:26

four weeks of wages, might remember

next time. Another, every point is

0:36:260:36:32

crucial. Benteke put his ego above

the team's best interests. In the

0:36:320:36:37

dressing room after, would you be

having a pop at him?

Yeah. But then

0:36:370:36:42

we go back to leaders in the team.

We need the three points. Why is he

0:36:420:36:48

taking it? When he picked the ball

up, I would have said, excuse me,

0:36:480:36:51

not today. We need these three

points. The boy has scored a very

0:36:510:36:57

good penalty, let him take it.

Obviously going against the manager.

0:36:570:37:01

You have a designated penalty taker.

They must have been able to get the

0:37:010:37:05

message onto pitch.

That is done to

the players.

I appreciate it is

0:37:050:37:11

noisy and the technical area is

miles away. There was a Man United

0:37:110:37:14

penalty earlier this season when

Romelu Lukaku wanted it and it went

0:37:140:37:18

to someone else and Jose Mourinho

wanted someone else to take it and

0:37:180:37:23

he managed to get that message on

eventually. You would have thought

0:37:230:37:26

managerial staff...

They are going,

he needs to take it. 3-0 up, Crystal

0:37:260:37:34

Palace, does not matter. Injury

time, predicament they are in: huge

0:37:340:37:38

movement in the season.

Does he have

an ego?

No, he backs himself, he

0:37:380:37:47

scores, but there is a penalty taker

, and we are green he should take

0:37:470:37:55

it, nobody.

Newcastle yesterday,

they have taken one point from their

0:37:550:37:59

last seven games, they are in 16th,

could you feel at St James's Park

0:37:590:38:07

yesterday concerned and worried?

You

could. Newcastle got their nose in

0:38:070:38:12

front so the crowd was up. Leicester

started coming back. You could feel

0:38:120:38:16

the nerves. That is the moment at

Newcastle, such a big club commie

0:38:160:38:20

want players to get on the ball and

express themselves. You could see

0:38:200:38:25

them not hiding but they did not

want the ball, playing into

0:38:250:38:29

Leicester's hands, looking over

their shoulder, above the relegation

0:38:290:38:33

zone, takeover chat, a lot of stuff

going on and off the pitch as well,

0:38:330:38:38

a worrying time.

I do not

particularly want to mention him

0:38:380:38:40

again but I am going to. Alan

Shearer tweeted, nowhere near good

0:38:400:38:45

enough, Newcastle. Sell our club to

someone who wants to be here before

0:38:450:38:49

it is too late. Do you agree with

him? You cannot blame Mike Ashley

0:38:490:38:55

necessarily for what is going on on

the pitch but you could blame him if

0:38:550:38:58

the money is not there to strengthen

in January.

I can blame him because

0:38:580:39:03

ultimately he says Rafa Benitez, get

us up, I will give it to you. I

0:39:030:39:09

don't think he has given him a beam.

How do you stay in the Premier

0:39:090:39:13

League if you do not back your

manager financially? Half the

0:39:130:39:18

problem does stem from him.

The

nightmare scenario is it drags on,

0:39:180:39:22

they ruin the possibility of

bringing in new recruits in the

0:39:220:39:27

transfer window and Rafa Benitez who

is widely admired in this country

0:39:270:39:31

and abroad, he might leave, because

of this slowing down of Mike Ashley.

0:39:310:39:36

I understand he wants to get as much

as he can, he has built his business

0:39:360:39:42

on shrewd business decisions, but

this is damaging the club long term.

0:39:420:39:46

It is devaluing it. The closer they

get to the relegation zone, the new

0:39:460:39:51

takeover... They will pay 20, 30

million less. There is no guarantee

0:39:510:39:58

they will be in the Premier League

next season.

Andrew saying, Rafa

0:39:580:40:02

Benitez doing the job of a lifetime,

top manager, got them promoted, he

0:40:020:40:07

deserves better. Matthew, I am a

Newcastle fan and we are gone

0:40:070:40:14

without investment. In your

experience of covering these kinds

0:40:140:40:17

of things. It seems like... I have

never tried to buy a football club,

0:40:170:40:25

but it seems like quite a short

period of time to get a deal done to

0:40:250:40:29

release funds to help them in

January?

They are very experienced

0:40:290:40:34

in business and football, maybe

there is an element of brinkmanship.

0:40:340:40:38

Frustrating the Newcastle fans

because they have seen games, they

0:40:380:40:44

know how financial resources could

be brought in... So much is in

0:40:440:40:49

place, the stadium, the manager, OK,

they need more players, but it is

0:40:490:40:54

the proverbial cliche, hotbed, there

are good young players coming

0:40:540:40:58

through, they should be developing

them, they should not... You

0:40:580:41:01

mentioned Alan Shearer, Michael

Carrick, individuals like that, they

0:41:010:41:06

should be starting their careers at

Newcastle United and not heading

0:41:060:41:10

south. So much is right about that

club, but it just needs a stronger

0:41:100:41:15

owner who is going to invest

financially. Mike Ashley has done

0:41:150:41:20

good things behind the scenes, but

really, they need more money under

0:41:200:41:24

new outlook.

Moving on to a couple

of other things very quickly.

0:41:240:41:28

Another former club of yours, what

is going on at Stoke? I don't know.

0:41:280:41:34

You have only got two minutes!

I

feel a little bit for Mark Hughes,

0:41:340:41:40

getting a lot of stick. I feel like

he does not get enough support in

0:41:400:41:47

the transfer window. Seven Man City,

five yesterday.

They have brought in

0:41:470:41:54

a fair few players.

You have to use

the money when you sell. Jack Walker

0:41:540:42:02

had an ambition for Blackburn and

you would think they would want to

0:42:020:42:09

give them more to have a go at

getting back into Europe. He is

0:42:090:42:14

getting a lot of stick, Mark Hughes.

I suppose the goals they are

0:42:140:42:18

conceding is worrying.

He is a

victim of the expectations he

0:42:180:42:22

himself has raised in recent seasons

by having decent league finishes.

0:42:220:42:26

Maybe there is a question about the

quality of the football at times,

0:42:260:42:30

but I think it is a little bit

unfair to have a manager of his

0:42:300:42:33

quality under pressure now.

But they

are so inconsistent, you can

0:42:330:42:38

understand the frustration of the

fans.

Of course I can. When you keep

0:42:380:42:43

finishing top half of the Premier

League, the fans are thinking, we

0:42:430:42:46

can get into Europe. Like Shay

touched on, selling best players

0:42:460:42:51

commie have to buy the players to

try to move to the next level --

0:42:510:42:56

selling best players. Top manager,

Mark Hughes. He has done well at

0:42:560:43:02

every club.

Predictions from all

three of you, maybe because that

0:43:020:43:07

means you get loads of stick on

social media for the rest of the

0:43:070:43:10

afternoon! Merseyside and Manchester

derby.

3-0 Liverpool and Manchester

0:43:100:43:18

United united 1-2 Man City.

3-1

Liverpool. 2-1 Manchester United.

0:43:180:43:25

2-1 for the Fab four.

Are you just

on a mission to annoy Mark?

And 1-1

0:43:250:43:34

Manchester derby.

Thank you very

much to all three of you. The games

0:43:340:43:41

are covered across five Live this

afternoon, full commentary of the

0:43:410:43:45

Manchester derby from 4:30pm from

Old Trafford and all three games

0:43:450:43:49

will be on match of their day to 2

later with the angry Alan Shearer

0:43:490:43:55

and Danny Murphy. -- Match of the

Day 2. Goodbye.

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