04/03/2018 MOTD2 Extra


04/03/2018

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Hello, and welcome to

Match Of The Day 2 Extra.

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We're on BBC Two, 5 Live,

the BBC Sport website and app,

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as well as the iPlayer.

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Joining me today, former Liverpool

midfielder Stephen Warnock,

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former West Ham midfielder

Nigel Reo-Coker, and

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the football correspondent

of The Telegraph, Jason Burt.

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As ever, we want to hear from you,

using the hashtag #bbcfootball

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on social media, or you can text

us on 85058.

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Here's what's coming up...

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It has been a bad day for several

teams, but who was it worse for?

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West Brom stay rooted

to the foot of the table

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after yet another defeat.

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But it doesn't look great

for Everton, either -

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they suffer a third loss in four,

and the fans aren't happy

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with Sam Allardyce.

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Meanwhile, Swansea are out

of the relegation zone

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after a mightily impressive home win

over West Ham.

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And Whidbey activate's tit games,

Brighton versus Arsenal and

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Manchester City against Chelsea.

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Some of the headlines

in today's papers...

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The Mail On Sunday suggest that

Germany manager Joachim Loew

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is the favourite to replace

Arsene Wenger at Arsenal.

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The Sunday Mirror say Pep Guardiola

is planning to sign Andres Iniesta

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and the Sunday Telepgraph lead

on VAR getting the go-ahead

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from the International Rules Board -

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that could be at the World Cup.

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Let's look at the bottom half of the

table.

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Everton in tenth to Stoke in 19th

are separated by only seven points,

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with nine games to go.

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West Brom are adrift of everyone

else, they have lost five in a row,

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seven adrift of their nearest team,

and they are eight of safety.

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And yet they did not play too badly

at Watford yesterday, despite the

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defeat. So, when we discuss Alan

Pardew's future, we have to balance

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the performance with the bigger

picture?

You do, but it is a results

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business, and I think the way he has

tried to come in and played

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football, tried to get the ball down

and play, completed the opposite to

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what Tony Pulis wanted to do, it had

an effect at first where the fans

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took to it, they wanted to see that

side of the game but the results

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have not come, so I don't think it

has worked, if you are honest. I

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think it is a big ask the West Brom

to come back from where they are at

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the moment, you can virtually write

them off.

So, when we talk about

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Alan Pardew's future, we will hear

from him in a moment, in many ways,

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even though he has not been there

long, have West Brom left it too

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late?

I think so, it is a difficult

situation to come in as a manager in

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these situations and inherit a

squad, he has to do their best he

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can do with the players available,

they tried to bring in Daniel

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Sturridge, I think goal-scoring was

a big problem for them, and he got

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injured. I think a word that has

been bandied around a lot this week,

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character, it gets to a point where

the players have to take more

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responsibility, there has to be that

passion coming from the players.

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Sometimes as a manager and coach you

can want to motivate the players to

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be successful, to want to do well,

but sometimes the players have to

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take that on board and say, we want

to do well, we want to stay in the

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Premier League, we don't want to get

relegated. It comes

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about when players police their own

dressing room, I have experienced it

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at West Ham and other teams, myself

and Stephen played at Aston Villa

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and there were times when we, as

players, took charge when things

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were not going right.

You have

played under him, before we bring

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Jason in, does he expect players to

police their own dressing room?

I

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think so, yes, he likes characters,

he likes players with character and

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personality, and a bit of edge. He

will do the best he can do, he will

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always back himself, he always

believes himself, he is a fighter,

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that is Alan Pardew, but sometimes

he likes that to come from the

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players as well, the players he is

managing and coaching, he wants

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that, we can do this, we are going

to do this, let's get some kind of

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reaction.

I think the problem he has

got is, when Alan goes into a

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football club, he gets the media

reaction, he is very much a manager

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who makes an impact, things happen

quickly, turned it round, it is

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often the longer term problems in

terms of sustaining that, people

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talked about he has been a streaky

manager in the past, wins five games

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and loses five games. That has not

happened at all. Discussions at West

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Brom will be, we are going down, do

we make the change to get a manager

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in who will get us back up, do we

stick with Alan Pardew and see if he

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is a manager to get us back up? The

biggest issue of all this, who is

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going to go there anyway? The last

few weeks will have been discussing,

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do we get rid of him, at what point

do we get rid of him?

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They are going to go down, I think

that is it, people will say they

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have to keep fighting but they have

to think now of the longer term

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future, do they stick with him as a

manager or cut their losses in a

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sense and think, he is not going to

be the man to bring us back up and

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we need to make that change now and

give us the best chance possible of

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being promoted. I am going to give

you all the chance to Aston?!

-- to

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answer the question in a moment. But

under Alan Pardew they have

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collected the fewest points and

scored the fewest goals in that

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time.

It is tough but it is not about me,

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it is about West Brom and it is

tough for the fans and the players

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to experience gained that are so

tight we just cannot get ourselves a

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win. Obviously that is putting us in

a very difficult position. We will

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not give up the fight, we will keep

going until we get something.

What

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would you do? I will get Jason to

answer his own question! Because he

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has taken teams up from the

championship, yes?

Yes, he has.

So

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what would you do?

We were talking

of air and said when you have an

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owner who has not got the best

interest of the club at heart, it is

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very difficult to put someone in

place, it is almost like the Chinese

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consortium have come in now and they

are trying to run the club in a

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certain way. John Williams, who I

worked with at Blackburn, is an

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amazing chairman. Suddenly he is

taking the flag for party's

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appointment and that is the end of

the relationship so he has left the

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club now. It is a very difficult

situation for the club and they

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almost need someone who has got the

interest of the club to step forward

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and say... I think they have just

reappointed someone?

The previous

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chief executive...

Whether they are

looking in the background now with

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Alan and saying, do you want to be

here, do you want to take the club

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back up, or do you see it as you

cannot do any more at this club?

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Would you keep him and go, you know

what, we will give you a chance to

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bring us back up?

I think when you

look at his record he is more than

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capable of doing it, but I think he

will leave the club.

I think I would

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honestly keep him. I am a believer

in David versus Goliath, I love

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being the underdog and I don't think

they are fully done, I think they

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have an opportunity to turn things

around. I have never seen the

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Premier League as competitive as it

is from bottom to eighth or ninth...

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But when you are losing game after

game, where you are looking in the

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changing room or to get the

confidence from someone because I

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could be sat next to you and you are

feeling even worse than me and the

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guy next to you is feeling even

worse, it is difficult for someone

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to lead the team. You mentioned

Daniel Sturridge before, when he

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walked in the changing room they

probably thought, here is a guy who

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can fire us back of the league, and

they lose him after five

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minutes of the first game.

What is

interesting is the striker they

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wanted was Troy Deeney, he scored

the goal yesterday, he is that

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strong character in the dressing

room, but they could not get him

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because Watford quite widely said,

we are not selling him to one of our

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relegation rivals, and it bit them

yesterday. He is the type of

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character Alan Pardew blogs, I think

Troy Deeney is one of the best

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characters in the Premier League, he

shows that commitment and desire,

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some fans might not like him but he

makes you want to watch football, he

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is from that old school generation

that really cares.

To answer the

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question...

It was your question, to

be fair!

I suspect they will make

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the change. I think they need to

look at the work he has done over a

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wall at the club and only they know

that. I think public incidents will

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have gone against him such as what

happened in Barcelona, that will not

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go well at all in the club, the fact

they got rid of the chairman

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suggests they don't have a lot of

faith left in the manager either. I

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think what they will do is, if they

are going to go down, a few of the

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players will go, they have got

clauses in the contract, Jonny Evans

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and so on, I think they might go for

a younger manager, try and reboot

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the club, get some younger players

in. I would not be surprised if they

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go for someone like Michael Atherton

who was at the club before,

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assistant manager at Leicester City,

they might be looking at that

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profile going forward to bring them

back up.

Thank you for your texts

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and tweets. One says, sacking their

manager thinking they should be a

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top table club, they should be happy

to be in the Premier League. These

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small teams have too much ambition,

the Bible should be all, anything

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else is a bonus. They are his words,

not mine, West Brom fans!

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Giving fuel is a new contract in the

summer and then appointing Pardew

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were the mistakes,

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were the mistakes, he is tactically

clueless, his handling of the taxi

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four was shocking.

One final question about John

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Williams, somebody being a fantastic

chairman. As a player, what do you

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look for in a chairman? As in, why

was he a fantastic chairman for you?

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Because, at times, there were

players who felt they wanted to

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leave the club to go elsewhere and

he backed the manager when the

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manager wanted to keep those

players, it was Mark Hughes and

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there were players who wanted to

leave, who had ambitions to go to

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other clubs, he stuck by Mark Hughes

100%, he always backed the managers

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when they came in, Sam Allardyce,

Paul Ince, he backed them with

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whatever they wanted to do, backed

them 100%. If they said, we want to

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go on a warm weather training camp

to benefit the players, that is

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fine,

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you are the manager, he gave them

sole control of the club and let

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them go on with it because he knew

he was not a manager.

Have you been

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at clubs where players have known

that you could maybe play a chairman

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off against a manager?

I haven't

myself but I know it happens at

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other clubs and it is a sad thing to

see in football because the players

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should not have that power, the

players should get on with the job

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in hand and the managers deal with

tears and relate to the chairman.

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Let's move on to Everton, they are

tense but have only 12-macro out of

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11 league games, they were beaten at

Birtley yesterday, here is Sam

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Allardyce with Guy Mowbray.

Talking about the frustration with

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the fans at the end, do you feel how

they feel?

They won't believe it but

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I feel worse because it is my

responsibility so I go home and say

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to myself, and have been for a

while, how do I put this right, then

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set out a plan and do the best but

that week's training to show the

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players what they have got to do

against each team they come across

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and hope they go out and show their

abilities. I think that, for me, to

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see them underperform in the second

half, not the first, but the second

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half, is very disappointing for me.

But it is my problem to sort it out.

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Everton fans were furious yesterday,

particularly in feeling that

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Allardyce didn't necessarily really

care, they were judging it on

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whether he laughed at an

inappropriate time or smoked in an

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interview, whatever it may be.

Can

you understand the fans'

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frustrations? Definitely, Everton

fans have always been passionate. It

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is not just a football club to them,

it is a way of life. You can

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understand how they feel for a club

like Everton, I find it puzzling as

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well with the recruiting they have

done, the players and the squad, why

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are they in this position? I just

don't understand why they are in

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this situation right now and some

has gone in there and he has his

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style of play, whether it is working

with the players and personal

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present at the club, I don't think

it is working at the moment.

Do you

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think it is huge mismanagement at

the highest level? And I'm not

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talking about Allardyce here, I'm

talking about right at the top of

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the club?

It is two years last week

since the majority shareholder

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became so at Everton and they are no

better and have spend an awful lot

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of money and you wonder who is

really calling the shots at the top

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of the club. They are trying to

progress with the new stadium, Bill

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Kenwright is still chairman, Steve

Walsh 's director of football,

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managers come and go, it seems a

mission mash, no direction at the

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top of the club. They seem to have

wasted a huge amount of money,

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fortunes have been wasted at

Everton, and they haven't moved

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forward.

You would question the

recruitment, what direction are they

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going with the players they have

recruited? Are they trying to get a

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more footballing team, are they

trying to go for building a

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foundation with players to work with

for the next couple of years?

When

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they bought those players last

summer, I said, how many were top

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four, top five, top six clubs want?

They did not buy players that others

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were going for and were paying a

premium for them all. Jordan picks

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would you could argue but he would

not necessarily be a first choice

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keeper at other clubs so they were

spending lots of money.

With the

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others are sniffing around Michael

Keane?

Manchester United were but

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they did not necessarily regard him

as a first choice player. You are

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right, he is probably the other

player, but they were not fighting

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big clubs to get these players.

You

look at Klaasen, though, he

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potentially was in the eight Eksteen

that was playing well in Europe and

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a lot of teams were looking at him

but to come from the Dutch lead to

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the Premier League and do it week

in, week out is a massive ask.

But

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you bring in Bruni and Klaasen and

Sigurdsson, who will play?

You bring

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in three Number Ten expert but don't

replace the biggest problem, which

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is Lukaku, and everyone is turning

around and saying, we would take

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Lukaku back in a heartbeat but I

know Everton fans at the time were

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sailing he is not good enough to go

to United but they would have him

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back now but still has not replaced

the problem. If you are get 60, 70

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million four Lukaku and more, how

can you not replacing with a proven

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goal-scorer?

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Here are some of the text messages,

Julia says get rid, that smile

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leaving the page says it all.

Another, the owner should not have

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appointed him to begin with. Daniel

Evans says it may be controversial,

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but Everton could be sucked in

easily. There are worse teams, but

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it would not surprise me. Some

Everton fans were pointing out

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yesterday, this was the early game,

they kept saying, we thought Sam

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Allardyce was a strong defensive

coach, and knew how to organise the

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team. There have been lots of games

since he has taken over where

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Everton have looked a shambles,

defensively?

I think the smirk is

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because of that. Almost like, what

am I working on in training? I am

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working on things in training and

you're not relating it onto the

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pitch. That is what fans are being

frustrated about, that smirk. It is

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the thought in his head, I am trying

my hardest, but they are not getting

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it on the pitch. That is one of the

things that I see. Defensively, he

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is very, very good. I worked with

him at Blackburn and the work that

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he carried out on the pitch, you

knew where you stood on the pitch,

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you knew what your role and your job

was. Those idle errors. The first

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goal, Pickford should be higher from

his line. -- the individual errors.

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He should know that anyway, that

comes in training. That's knowing

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your job. Then Michael Keane,

struggling during the game, I think

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he found it tough going back to

Burnley, the boos got to him. But he

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can't deal with individual errors

while they are happening on the

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pitch, he has to put it right in

training, but it keeps happening,

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time after time.

Then you have to

take responsibility for that. People

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say individual errors, but if there

are always individual errors, there

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is a structural problem in the way

you set out your team?

You do, but

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if it, does Michael Keane play

yesterday in front of Jagielka? If

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he is fit, I don't think he does. He

is playing the team that he has to

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deal with. If Leighton Baines was

fully fit, he is playing left-back.

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But to go back to your point, a lot

of people would look at Michael

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Keane, he is in the England squad,

thinking, you know, this is an

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exciting young player. It's not a

terrible player to put on the pitch.

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Don't get me wrong, but it is not a

Sam Allardyce signing, that is when

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you go to Steve Walsh and say, tell

me, what did you see in certain

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players? That is what a lot of

Everton fans are saying. I am in the

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area and I hear that all the time,

what is Steve Walsh doing? What is

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his job? Is he the sole person

bringing his players in ordered him

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and Ronald Koeman sit down in the

summer and say, these are the

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players, they agreed on them?

On the

Michael Keane thing, then we will

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move on, he was sensational for

Burnley last season. There is a

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school of thought that Michael Keane

was sensational for Burnley because

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of the system that Sean Dyche

played, how he uses his full-backs,

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the support around him, maybe

protection in front of him. I don't

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know if he will be able to answer

this or not, but did you feel at any

0:18:590:19:02

point in your career that you were

flying at a certain club, in a

0:19:020:19:07

certain system, because of how

everything was set up, and then you

0:19:070:19:10

move somewhere else and struggle

because that club wasn't necessarily

0:19:100:19:18

suited to your game?

For me, I was

quite fortunate, all of my clubs

0:19:180:19:22

that I was at I was in the system,

everything worked well with each

0:19:220:19:25

other. We were told where we should

be when the ball is on this site,

0:19:250:19:30

you need to be here, these are your

options. I was fine with that. I

0:19:300:19:33

didn't have issues. What people have

to understand is that the younger

0:19:330:19:39

generation, the young guys coming

through, it is a lot more individual

0:19:390:19:42

man management. You have to spend a

little bit more time, individually,

0:19:420:19:47

to get them to understand certain

aspects of the game. As you said, a

0:19:470:19:50

lot of it does come from the

manager. You have your system, even

0:19:500:19:54

if it means you go on the training

pitch and set your team out on that

0:19:540:19:58

formation, with no opposition, you

say this is where you need to be,

0:19:580:20:01

this is what I want, you have to do

it.

Sometimes you don't get two

0:20:010:20:07

world-class players that gel

together. It doesn't always happen.

0:20:070:20:10

Sometimes you get one lesser player

and one really good player. I'm not

0:20:100:20:14

saying he was a lesser player, but

when I was at but then I had Morton

0:20:140:20:18

against Pedersen in front of me. I

knew if I ran forward, he was behind

0:20:180:20:23

me. If I went into a tackle and

missed, I knew he was behind me,

0:20:230:20:31

covering. We had relationships on

the pitch. Leighton Baines, at the

0:20:310:20:34

peak of his career, with Stephen

Pienaar, it just happens. You get

0:20:340:20:41

that sometimes within teams. Ashley

Williams and Michael Keane, they

0:20:410:20:44

look like they have never played

together before. That is me being

0:20:440:20:46

very harsh, but it is very true.

Michael Keane may not be able to

0:20:460:20:52

play, he might not feel comfortable

with Martina playing outside him. He

0:20:520:20:56

does not know where he is moving. He

is a right back playing at

0:20:560:21:00

left-back, not naturally suited to

that side of the pitch. There are

0:21:000:21:03

fundamental things that are

happening that have a knock-on

0:21:030:21:06

effect in the team.

Stephen Warnock,

Nigel Rio

0:21:060:21:13

Nigel Rio Coker with us.

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Here we are the Lamex... Amex.

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It is interesting that you talk

about the calm of Brighton in the

0:21:360:21:42

maelstrom of relegation. It has felt

very much like that at Brighton &

0:21:420:21:46

Hove Albion. I am joined by the

chief executive. Paul, you have not

0:21:460:21:51

really made any negative headlines.

You have hardly been on the back

0:21:510:21:55

pages. I imagine that is how you

like it, and that is very much Chris

0:21:550:22:00

Hughton's demeanour?

He is very

calm, he does not get too high on

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the highs, or too low on the lows.

We have tried to compete as best we

0:22:050:22:11

can, we knew it would be a big step

up, and there have been a couple of

0:22:110:22:14

games where the gap between us and

the top six has shown. Overall I

0:22:140:22:18

think we have given a decent account

so far, but we still have work to

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do.

You said you tried to be in

games, there have only been two

0:22:210:22:28

heavy defeats, Liverpool and

Chelsea, every other game has been

0:22:280:22:31

really tight?

Even those games, we

felt we had good chances. Maybe the

0:22:310:22:36

scoreline was a little bit

flattering to those clubs. But we

0:22:360:22:40

played well for many parts of the

games throughout the season. You

0:22:400:22:45

know, we have enjoyed the experience

so far and we are working very hard

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to keep in this league.

The club has

come a very long way. People know

0:22:490:22:52

the back story about Goldstein,

Priestfield, everything else. But

0:22:520:22:59

you are the biggest show in town. I

have lived in Sussex nearly 20

0:22:590:23:04

years, a big county, with the

greatest of respect to Crawley Town

0:23:040:23:07

and the thriving non-league scene,

you are the big show in Sussex. How

0:23:070:23:10

much further can this club go? How

much can it expand and develop more?

0:23:100:23:16

The first priority is to stay in the

Premier League. Obviously to become

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an established and stable Premier

League club. We know that takes a

0:23:190:23:22

lot more hard work. Beyond that, we

have great infrastructure, we have a

0:23:220:23:27

fantastic stadium, we sell out every

week, a world-class training ground.

0:23:270:23:30

We are fortunate to have a wealthy

and committed owner that loves the

0:23:300:23:33

club and has done for many years of

his life. We feel we are in a good

0:23:330:23:37

place, but we also know there are

many other clubs

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that want to be part of the elite 20

in the Premier League. We know this

0:23:520:23:55

is not going to be easy to stay in

this league and we know that

0:23:550:23:58

establishing ourselves will be even

harder. It will be a tough few weeks

0:23:580:24:01

ahead but we're looking forward to

it.

What is harder, do you feel, as

0:24:010:24:04

somebody that is running the club,

the tension that comes from trying

0:24:040:24:06

to get into the Premier League,

something that Brighton experienced

0:24:060:24:08

for a few seasons, or the ten shall

try to make sure that you stay in

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it?

You would think that staying up

would be harder than getting in,

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doesn't feel like that. It has been

a very enjoyable season. Chris and

0:24:140:24:17

the players take a huge amount of

credit, just from the way that they

0:24:170:24:19

have maintained good form,

confidence throughout the season,

0:24:190:24:21

belief in themselves. Even when we

went in a bad patch, they maintained

0:24:210:24:24

the belief and came through that. We

have another big test here today.

I

0:24:240:24:28

look forward to that. Thank you for

joining us. It promises to be a good

0:24:280:24:33

afternoon as Arsenal come to the

Amex, one of the big games for the

0:24:330:24:37

people of Sussex.

0:24:370:24:38

Thanks, Steve.

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We have full commentary from 1.30.

0:24:420:24:50

All the makings of an awkward

afternoon for Arsenal and Arsene

0:24:500:24:53

Wenger. Unsurprisingly, Chris

Hughton is naming an unchanged team

0:24:530:24:58

to the one that beat Swansea 4-1

last weekend. Glenn Murray continues

0:24:580:25:02

to lead the line. He scored seven

goals in his last nine games and

0:25:020:25:05

that means the recent arrivals

upfront have to satisfy themselves

0:25:050:25:11

with a place on the bench. Arsene

Wenger's response to back-to-back

0:25:110:25:16

defeats against Manchester City,

three changes today. Hector Bellerin

0:25:160:25:19

is left out of a Premier League game

for the first time this season.

0:25:190:25:23

Calum Chambers replaces him. Jack

Wilshere is back. He could not play

0:25:230:25:27

on Thursday because of an ankle

injury. Aaron Ramsey is missing out

0:25:270:25:31

today. I understand that as a

precaution, he had a slight groin

0:25:310:25:34

problem, the first leg of the AC

Milan tie in the Europa League is

0:25:340:25:38

coming up on Thursday. The third

change sees Alex Iwobi coming in,

0:25:380:25:43

replacing Danny Welbeck.

0:25:430:25:48

If history tells us anything, it

would be that Arsenal, criticised,

0:25:480:25:54

huge pressure on Arsene Wenger, who

will replace him, knowing them, they

0:25:540:25:59

will put five past Brighton this

afternoon?

3-0 up in ten minutes!

0:25:590:26:03

That is what happens?

You hear them

saying wounded animal, absolutely

0:26:030:26:09

right. The talent in that team, they

could do that easily.

And then the

0:26:090:26:13

whole thing starts again?

Then they

play AC Milan, that is a difficult

0:26:130:26:23

tie. We have gone beyond the tipping

point, I think. The defeats against

0:26:230:26:28

Manchester City, albeit against

Manchester City, it has change the

0:26:280:26:30

atmosphere right at the top of

Arsenal, not just the fans and

0:26:300:26:34

media. There is a real sense that we

are probably reaching the end game

0:26:340:26:37

now. The Europa League is perhaps

the one thing that might save them.

0:26:370:26:41

You are right, they could quite

comfortably go and destroy Brighton

0:26:410:26:45

today. I don't think they will. I

think it is a tough game. I am a big

0:26:450:26:49

fan of Brighton, Chris Hughton, they

had an amazing season. Structurally,

0:26:490:26:54

they are an amazing team. Builds

everything from the two Centre

0:26:540:26:57

halves, which is very unusual. The

way they have managed the season so

0:26:570:27:03

far, getting through to January with

basically just Glenn Murray upfront,

0:27:030:27:06

and now

0:27:060:27:11

and now they have brought in Locadia

to give them more options.

Like you

0:27:110:27:18

said, Arsenal is a wounded animal.

You have to be careful when they are

0:27:180:27:21

backed into a corner. At the same

time, do they have characters in the

0:27:210:27:24

dresser in saying, you know what,

let's capitalise and really turn

0:27:240:27:28

this around? We have had a tough

week, who will be in the dressing

0:27:280:27:31

room coming to say we need to win

this game? Who will come out, stand

0:27:310:27:35

up and be counted? I just don't see

it.

The way you are questioning

0:27:350:27:41

that, it would imply that there are

not many?

Jack Wilshere is back in

0:27:410:27:46

the team, I'm a big fan, a great

player, true Arsenal player, how

0:27:460:27:50

many players will follow him and let

him lead the team?

0:27:500:27:58

Let's move on to Swansea and West

Ham. They have lost two out of three

0:27:580:28:04

games out of Carlos Carvalhal. I had

a Swansea fans say to me recently

0:28:040:28:08

that while they are very grateful

for what Carlos Carvalhal has done,

0:28:080:28:12

they have a slight fear that they

might be turning into Sunderland, in

0:28:120:28:15

the sense that every year they

started badly, they bring somebody

0:28:150:28:18

in, he gives them an amazing lift,

they stay up, but it can only go on

0:28:180:28:24

for so long?

That is the problem

now, the one worry they will have.

0:28:240:28:27

It is something they have to address

in the summer. We don't want to be

0:28:270:28:31

in the situation, like the last

three seasons, the turnover of

0:28:310:28:36

managers is probably the most within

a Premier League club. It is

0:28:360:28:39

absolutely frightening what they

have done. But you can't go away

0:28:390:28:42

from the job that he has done. Five

games ago they were bottom of the

0:28:420:28:46

league. It just shows you that if

you can hit a run of form and you

0:28:460:28:52

can pick up results, where it can

catapult you to, but I don't see

0:28:520:28:56

many teams around them doing it. We

talk about Brighton, just then. They

0:28:560:29:00

got Glenn Murray, who can score

goals. I don't see many other teams

0:29:000:29:04

having a striker that is going to go

on a run of seven in ten, that he

0:29:040:29:08

has scored. That is how you're going

to stay in the lead. With Swansea,

0:29:080:29:17

they seem to have a collective unit,

where everybody is chipping in with

0:29:170:29:21

goals. The form of them has been

fantastic.

The changes they have

0:29:210:29:26

made, it has always been the same

time of year, three or four years in

0:29:260:29:29

a row they sacked the manager in

December. I think they recognise the

0:29:290:29:33

biggest problem has been

recruitment. They had three of four

0:29:330:29:36

bad transfer windows. To be fair to

Carvalhal, who will obviously stay,

0:29:360:29:45

this is a big summer. That is what

they need to address. They made

0:29:450:29:47

mistakes that managers are paid for.

Is it a lesson to a lot of us,

0:29:470:29:53

particularly in the media, fans as

well, just because something doesn't

0:29:530:29:56

necessarily go well at one club, in

the end, because it did go well for

0:29:560:30:00

him at Sheffield Wednesday for a

long time, just because it goes

0:30:000:30:03

badly towards the end and you lose

your job, does not make you a bad

0:30:030:30:07

manager?

Not at all. Modern day

football now is that there is such a

0:30:070:30:14

quick turnaround of managers. It is

a results business. Managers now are

0:30:140:30:17

not given the opportunity to build

something at the club, build an

0:30:170:30:19

everlasting dynasty, like Alex

Ferguson did at Manchester United,

0:30:190:30:24

Arsene Wenger, to make Arsenal who

they are. Managers are not going to

0:30:240:30:28

be given that opportunity. They are

under so much scrutiny now that they

0:30:280:30:30

need to get results. You need quick

reaction, instant impact.

0:30:300:30:36

From a Western perspective, not good

yesterday, here are David Moyes'

0:30:360:30:41

thoughts.

Simple header at the back post, you

0:30:410:30:44

hope to head it away, I thought we

should have saved the first one and

0:30:440:30:47

we gave away a goal for the third

one from a corner kick and forth one

0:30:470:30:51

from a penalty kick, it was a poor

performance but the worst since I

0:30:510:30:57

have been at West Ham, but we have

got to work to get out of it and we

0:30:570:31:01

are going to have to do much better

and get back to doing much more like

0:31:010:31:05

the things we were

0:31:050:31:06

doing six weeks ago.

Do you sense a frustration very

0:31:060:31:10

similar to Sam Allardyce? I am

telling you to do this and you are

0:31:100:31:16

not doing it?!

Definitely! The first

goal yesterday comes from switching

0:31:160:31:21

off at the back post. When you have

players who are inexperienced and in

0:31:210:31:26

a relegation battle or down that end

of the table, there was a lot of

0:31:260:31:30

pressure on you and you have got to

do good job week in, week out, and

0:31:300:31:34

it comes with experience so they are

missing the likes of Collins,

0:31:340:31:38

Winston Reid went off injured, it

will be a massive concern for David

0:31:380:31:42

Moyes because at the other end of

the pitch they have goals, and out

0:31:420:31:46

to Mitch, Hernandez, Campbell when

fit. He will be a massive plus for

0:31:460:31:50

them if he

0:31:500:31:55

gets back before the end of the

season. Antonio is flipping between

0:32:010:32:04

hamstring injuries at the moment, in

and out of the team, and on his day

0:32:040:32:06

he is a threat. But at the back end

of the pitch, he needs to keep it

0:32:060:32:10

tight, he will look at that and

think, if we keep clean sheets, we

0:32:100:32:12

can score goals.

Do they have

character? Or is it simply Mark

0:32:120:32:15

Noble and everybody else?

They have

got Mark Noble and James Collins who

0:32:150:32:19

have been at the pub for a long

time, they have got character there.

0:32:190:32:22

The thing now is they need to get

everyone else to buy into the club

0:32:220:32:25

of what it means to play for West

Ham, and that is a difficult thing.

0:32:250:32:30

Sometimes you need a good solid

foundation of British players to let

0:32:300:32:34

foreign players understand what it

means. When West Ham play Tottenham,

0:32:340:32:37

let them know what it means to the

fans and is as players that this

0:32:370:32:41

derby

0:32:410:32:46

derby means so much, we need to win

this game. It is them now stepping

0:32:480:32:51

up to the plate to give players

around them to buy into it, it is a

0:32:510:32:54

tough task.

Did you find playing for

West Ham different to playing for

0:32:540:32:57

any other club? I would be

interested to know.

West Ham is a

0:32:570:33:00

special part because it is more than

a football club, it is generation to

0:33:000:33:04

generation to generation. It means

so much to the fans, it is a family

0:33:040:33:08

thing. You could not grow up in a

West Ham household and support any

0:33:080:33:12

other team.

But do you not find that

at Villa or... That is not a

0:33:120:33:18

criticism of Villa, I just find West

Ham such, I love going there, I find

0:33:180:33:23

it fascinating.

It is fascinating,

that is just what I was told from so

0:33:230:33:29

many West Ham fans, you just buying

into it, even in the championship,

0:33:290:33:32

West Ham fans, when you play

Millwall, you have to win that game,

0:33:320:33:39

they don't care about the rest of

the season but you have to beat

0:33:390:33:43

Millwall!

But you do get that at

most clubs, don't you, you have to

0:33:430:33:46

beat other clubs. At Villa, we had

to beat Birmingham, we had to beat

0:33:460:33:50

them, we knew we had to win that

game or at least not get...

0:33:500:33:55

Dispatched!

You could not come out

with a defeat, but that is similar

0:33:550:34:00

at most clubs. I think West Ham fans

have a perception of their club and

0:34:000:34:04

how they wanted to be, Sam Allardyce

alluded to it when he was manager,

0:34:040:34:08

playing the West Ham wait. What is

the West way?

It is football, they

0:34:080:34:13

really want to play football, they

see their club as a big club and

0:34:130:34:16

want to push into the next level.

The problem is, we were discussing

0:34:160:34:20

it earlier, West Ham are in the same

category as Everton, when you look

0:34:200:34:24

at the recruiting and the players

that have come in, you question some

0:34:240:34:28

of the players that have come in

and, if you are a West Ham fan, you

0:34:280:34:32

will look at the club and say, what

direction are we heading in? What

0:34:320:34:40

are we training to build?

We are

getting this player from here, this

0:34:470:34:50

player from there, the same as

Everton. I need to get to the Etihad

0:34:500:34:53

because the 4pm game is Manchester

City against Chelsea and Guy Mowbray

0:34:530:34:55

is at the Etihad for us. Is this a

bigger game for Chelsea, perversely,

0:34:550:34:58

because of the state of the table?

Good afternoon, Mark. I think it

0:34:580:35:01

probably is, yes, because if city

lose today it will just delay the

0:35:010:35:05

inevitable, they need five more

wins, ten games to get them, they

0:35:050:35:08

are going to be the Premier League

champions. For Chelsea, as Antonio

0:35:080:35:13

Conte has said, it is the start of

an important two or three-week

0:35:130:35:17

period because they cannot afford to

have the gap five points to

0:35:170:35:20

Tottenham for much longer. They have

Palace in a week's time, Barcelona

0:35:200:35:25

in the Champions League, Leicester

away in the FA Cup, they could go

0:35:250:35:29

into the game on the 1st of April to

Tottenham adrift, not able to catch

0:35:290:35:33

them, and out of everything else, so

the start of an important period for

0:35:330:35:37

Chelsea and they have to try to get

something here today, as difficult

0:35:370:35:41

and, frankly, unimaginable as it may

seem.

Chelsea were the last team to

0:35:410:35:46

win in the Etihad and it is

interesting the way the two clubs

0:35:460:35:49

have gone since then?

Yes, Chelsea

have not changed that much since the

0:35:490:35:54

game in early December 2016 but they

have changed in a key area down the

0:35:540:35:59

spine. Dafydd Louise was at the

start of their backline, now he is

0:35:590:36:02

nowhere to be seen, injured at the

moment, completely out of favour.

0:36:020:36:07

Nemanja Matic has moved on, and

Diego Costa has moved on as well.

0:36:070:36:11

Otherwise, pretty much the same

Chelsea team that we will see

0:36:110:36:24

today. The difference is when you

see who they are lining up against

0:36:350:36:37

because the city team that day,

though not too different in terms of

0:36:370:36:40

personnel, had a back three of

Otamendi, who has improved, John

0:36:400:36:42

Stones, who was looking nervous at

that time in a Manchester City shirt

0:36:420:36:45

but has come on leaps and bounds,

and Aleksandar Kolarov, who has gone

0:36:450:36:47

altogether and was never a

left-sided central defender in the

0:36:470:36:49

first place. You look at the rest of

the team, did bring a particularly,

0:36:490:36:52

even Aguero and David Silber, and

you see how Pep Guardiola has

0:36:520:36:55

improved those players. You can talk

about the money you spend and the

0:36:550:36:57

players he may have boarded but it

is the players who were here already

0:36:570:37:00

that he has made even better that is

the key point. Another point is the

0:37:000:37:03

weight managers come and go from

clubs, it is all relative, it is all

0:37:030:37:06

how clubs are expected to perform

and what they do with their managers

0:37:060:37:08

as a result. He was

0:37:080:37:14

as a result. He was given a in

Manchester City terms he did not win

0:37:160:37:18

anything so I suppose he failed in

his first year but look at what is

0:37:180:37:21

happening in the second year. There

are rewards for patients and

0:37:210:37:23

Guardiola has been fantastic in how

he has transformed things this

0:37:230:37:25

season.

Nigel, you were nodding

along to that last point. You were

0:37:250:37:28

nodding along to everything I said

because everything he said was spot

0:37:280:37:30

on!

It is about giving the

opportunity and Mikey said, you see

0:37:300:37:35

how many players have improved under

Pep Guardiola, he pays attention to

0:37:350:37:39

detail, I still speak with Fabian

Delph, who I played with at Aston

0:37:390:37:42

Villa, and he tells me a lot about

how the training is, what he's like

0:37:420:37:46

as a manager. Everyone is talking

about how great Sane is coming he

0:37:460:37:53

said that Pep Guardiola has paid a

lot of attention to him and helped

0:37:530:37:56

him understand the tactical side of

football and how to get to the next

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level to be spoken in the same

breath as a world-class player. If

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you look at how he is playing you

can nearly give him that tag because

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he is playing like a world-class

player.

Does Fabian feel, without

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betraying confidences, does he feel

like, which obviously you will have

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to do to answer the question! Does

Fabian feel he has crafted a greater

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understanding of football?

Definitely, he has said how training

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is structured, he is so different to

every other manager, it is

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impossible to train at such a high

tempo and turned up to a game on

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Saturday and be lethargic, it is

impossible, and he pays so much

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attention to detail, positioning,

getting players to understand how

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important distances are, and when

certain players are on the ball,

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what is the best for them as an

individual and also for the team to

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isolate the player in one-on-one

situations? If he is there, let him

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be won on one and you make your

space elsewhere, it is that

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attention to detail that has made

them go to another level this year.

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Do you think footballers have bought

into it because it is Pep Guardiola

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who has been so successful at

Barcelona and Bayern Munich and have

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a back catalogue of work to come

with it and therefore you accept

0:39:150:39:19

maybe some stuff that you might not

accept maybe with other managers? I

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don't know?

Definitely, you have to

respect what he has done so far in

0:39:230:39:30

world football and as a player you

would have to get together as a team

0:39:300:39:34

and understand that this is what he

wants to do, this is his style, give

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him the opportunity and see how it

goes.

He started at Barcelona B and

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all the ideas in his head had to

work for them to win games and as

0:39:490:39:52

soon as you are a player and you go,

we are winning games here, we

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comfortably winning games, you

believe in him, don't you? So

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whether he had a reputation or not,

sometimes a manager will come in and

0:39:590:40:04

you might have, you might wonder why

they got the job but then they come

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in and you see things yourself and

go, well, I get that, I really get

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why he has done that. Thierry Henry

did a PC of the day when he said, I

0:40:290:40:32

learned how to play football at 30.

You are thinking, at 30?! You Toure

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the Premier League to pieces for

years, then went to Barcelona at 30

0:40:350:40:38

and saw a completely different

perspective of the game and learned

0:40:380:40:40

the game again. That is great to

see.

I know Arsene Wenger bridled at

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it when he was asked whether

Guardiola has risen the level in the

0:40:430:40:45

Premier League, but he has. People

talk about them being freakish, away

0:40:450:40:48

on the run, but it is an admission

of failure from other clubs, they

0:40:480:40:51

should be thinking, how is this team

so much better than us? Yes, they

0:40:510:40:53

have spent a lot of money, but the

players he has bought, look at Sane,

0:40:530:40:59

not every club was looking for him,

they spent a huge amount of money

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for Ederson, who else was in for

him? He was well known but not

0:41:020:41:07

really well-known. Those signings

have come in, those not gone out and

0:41:070:41:13

bought mine Messi, he has bought

these players in...

They could!

But

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he has not, I know he has spent an

awful lot of money, but he is

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getting a return on that money. I

think the others need to look at

0:41:220:41:26

themselves as well. It is almost

like, oh, we can't compete. Why

0:41:260:41:31

can't you compete?

Why can't you do

things better yourselves? What

0:41:310:41:35

you're saying is right, attention to

detail. The players he has gone

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after is players that other clubs

were paying attention to, he

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identifies players he believes will

work in his system with the squad he

0:41:430:41:47

has.

My biggest worry is that, I

love him, I think he's brilliant,

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how long is he to stay?

People said

two, three maximum, almost burned

0:41:510:41:59

himself out. Manchester City is

slightly different in that at

0:41:590:42:03

Barcelona the pressure was amazing,

Bayern Munich the pressure was

0:42:030:42:06

amazing. Man City is a lot of

pressure but he will look back at

0:42:060:42:09

last year and think, I didn't win

anything, they stuck by me, I can

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carry on. They will win a lot this

year, next year they will expect to

0:42:130:42:17

win again but I think they will

stick with him so it is up to him

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almost, the pressure around him is

not as great with Manchester

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City as other clubs.

It was

interesting in the press last year,

0:42:360:42:38

as funds ourselves we looked at him

and said, welcome to the Premier

0:42:380:42:41

League, you will find it so much

harder. And he did, he found it

0:42:410:42:44

tough, but he adapted and it is a

sign of how good he is.

I spoke to

0:42:440:42:47

somebody quite close to him in the

summer about how he found it and he

0:42:470:42:50

admits it was hard but what he also

found is it is a different league,

0:42:500:42:53

the Premier League, the physicality

and intensity but also the

0:42:530:42:55

unpredictability of it, that is why

they have gone out this season and

0:42:550:42:57

not just beaten teams but we are the

destroyed them, they don't go one or

0:42:570:43:00

two up and sit back, they go for the

third or fourth to kill the game.

0:43:000:43:04

They know in the Premier League

could be 2-0 up at 88 minutes and it

0:43:040:43:10

is not over. One thing he does not

complain about animal is the second

0:43:100:43:16

ball, he never complains about the

physicality of it will the tackles,

0:43:160:43:22

that is a little crusade at the

moment, and on that as well when

0:43:220:43:25

everyone criticised him last year

when he said, I am not a coach for

0:43:250:43:28

the tackles, it is obvious what he

meant. It is not about flying into

0:43:280:43:32

tackles, it is not having to do

that, playing a more technical game

0:43:320:43:35

of football and winning that way.

If

you look at the squad he has built,

0:43:350:43:40

Manchester City have a good squad

that can stay together, Dominic the

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Premier League

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for a a couple of years, that is a

club

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Mark Chapman presents analysis of Saturday's Premier League matches and a look ahead to Sunday's action, including the game between Manchester City and Chelsea.


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