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Good afternoon, welcome to Match of the Day 2 Extra on BBC Two

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Joining me are former England and Arsenal defender Martin Keown.

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Match of the Day commentator Guy Mowbray.

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who's the Sunday Times Football Correspondent.

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Get in touch using the hashtag #bbcfootball on social media

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Coming up, it's advantage Swansea in the relegation battle

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after Paul Clement's side beat Everton.

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While Hull lose at home at relegated Sunderland,

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We'll look ahead to today's two Premier League games, including

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Arsenal against Manchester United at 4 o'clock.

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And also discuss the title race after Tottenham's defeat on Friday

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night leaves Chelsea needing just two wins to be crowned champions.

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As far as the newspaper headlines are concerned, the Sun claims Jose

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Mourinho wants to sign Sergio Aguero. The Mirror claims Manchester

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City wants to sign Alex Sandro. The Telegraph claims Bayern Munich want

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to sign Alexis Sanchez. Let's ignore all of them and we will just tell

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you that the final day of the Championship season, so much

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attention on the bottom. Three clubs could be relegated today. Nottingham

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Forest, BlackBerry or city. 15 minutes gone in their game at

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Brentford. Blackburn are 2-0 up so if all the results are to stay as

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they are, Nottingham Forest and Birmingham are drawing at the

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moment. Birmingham are taking on Bristol City. As things stand,

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Nottingham Forest are going down to League 1. We will keep you across

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all of those in the next 45 minutes. Let's start with a medication battle

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in the Premier League. Swansea one point. Hull. You were at the Liberty

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Stadium fall somewhat impressed you most about Swansea? I like the way

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they dealt with the occasion. There were such intensity going into that

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game. It was palpable from the fans. It was almost like the Crucible, at

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times. Ibis particularly impressed with the backs. Britain sits in

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there. He is a player who understands the game well. He can

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handle experience. Leroy came on full survey had good energy.

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Llorente at the top of the game. Lukaku, lazy on the day. They

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weren't in the right mode at all. Lukaku not moving into the ball.

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Llorente, that platform, he got the vital goal. A really good

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performance. Let me come onto the Leon Brittan part. He appears to

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have given this current Swansea squad, early on we were talking

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about they could have lost some of their identity. Taylor went in the

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January transfer window. The stories is his handle every DVD to the

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players, the documentary, he's reported to be behind the players.

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How important is he? Every clubs to have someone like that around.

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They've got to have an identity of way back. They have had a few

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results. He wasn't in the team in the early stages. It goes back to

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the argument Antonio Conte had about teams kicking off at different

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times. I was at Hull yesterday. The mood there was entirely different.

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The lift Swansea would have had before kick-off, I think it was

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almost worth a late start. That is just lack of the draw. It is swings

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and roundabouts. -- lack of the draw. -- luck of the draw. But,

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yesterday, it was a big factor in her Swansea took to the task. A

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dreadful first 15 minutes if you are Nottingham Forest fan. Birmingham

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winning. Nottingham Forest now two points adrift of Blackburn. Four

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adrift of Nottingham Forest. I thought the big contrast was weird

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Hull's Crystal Palace game. They are in big trouble. The basics at set

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pieces, you saw her focused and concentrated Swansea were. In

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contrast to all of that. They've had their bad spell and come through it.

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May be just the right time. You were at home. Yesterday. If you were to

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flip it the other way, and we will play first, we could really put the

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pressure on Swansea. The tension got to the players yesterday. You could

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feel it. You could detect it in the body language of the managers. When

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Chelsea lost to Manchester United a few weeks ago, everybody thought

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Antonio Conte wasn't himself. You could see that with Marco Silva

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yesterday. A lot more demonstrative. He stood on the touchline isolated.

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David Moyes, by contrast, was really relaxed. He was chatting to people.

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It's a hard thing to describe to explain to people. When you're

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relegated you are paralysed with fear force of the ball comes into

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the box, you hope somebody else will take responsibility. You don't do

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it, they don't do it. You have to almost step above it and say, right,

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I can make it happen today. I can't accept disaster. It's not going to

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happen. It's such a long gap. It consumes youthful spits how you

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handle the pressure. Swansea got that right. The odd thing with Hull

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is you talk about grabbing it by the scruff of the neck. Their previous

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home game with their backs against the wall with Watford and they were

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reduced to ten men... That's it. Everybody in the world. Hull

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Woodwind comfortable you. Swansea have hunted them down yesterday.

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They are in pole position. Now Crystal Palace play Hull. That game

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is absolutely massive. What were you going to say about the Swansea

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manager? I don't have the luxury of talking to him. You saw the pressure

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lift off him. You see the pressure these guys are under. He was taking

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on-board oxygen, looking around, couldn't believe it himself. It was

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too good to be true. He puffed out at the end. He did get it right. In

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a way the others didn't. Sam Allardyce was saying yesterday that

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what Crystal Palace have now got to do is remember the absolute basics.

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Where Martin Kelly was saying they didn't prepare long enough,... I'd

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tell you what, before I've read at Martin Kelly's quotes, before we do

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that, let's hear from Sam Allardyce what he thought of their 5-0 defeat.

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The lads really didn't apply themselves correctly, making sure

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they kept it tight. They felt they had to try and get forward and try

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to get a goal and leave more space is. They did thoroughly in the end.

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We can't complain about the score. The tactical thing he did yesterday

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was he didn't actually have a recognised centre-half. The thinking

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pre-match, what he said, Martin, city are quick and nimble and small

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and don't have somebody like some votes -- Sam Vogts. Does that sound

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sensible in theory? Yes but my put my football players have torn which

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was a very long time ago. I want to be prepared. I want information. I

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want certainty. I will give you that. I know the roles of people

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around me so don't send me into the biggest game of my career half an

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afternoon working on something we've never worked on before. I would have

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to argue with Kelly's clearance. He does not deliver the ball well.

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Kelly said afterwards, I don't think we've worked on the formation enough

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to be honest. When you do practice things on the training pitch, you

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create pictures for people and put them into situations they will come

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into on match day, so he's in a centre position instead of a

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fallback position. I see it both ways. Antonio Conte has done it

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better than anybody else. Everybody wants to do it. Pep Guardiola is a

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manager who would exploit you. If you don't know the system well

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enough, he's rolling sleeves up and taking part, he goes wide with his

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wide players, punish you and that's what they did yesterday. Sam talked

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about individual mistakes and that's what they do when they tried to

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excuse their own managerial performance. I would say this is a

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pattern. Where Martin Kelly did not play well, at centre-back, he

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thought winning the title with Leicester was the most surprising

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thing that happened. I think his pace was the thinking there. He's 1

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million miles away from being a centre-back. When a manager comes

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out and says that, you've got to be together. You still lose, whoever

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you blame, you get together and sort it out. The players are saying this,

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and Sam should listen. We need to do more work on this. All the focus has

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been on Crystal Palace because it was their result but city were

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terrific. When they turn it on like that there aren't many teams who can

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live with them, quite frankly. They were on their A-game yesterday. They

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were bang on it yesterday. To give city their credit, they were back to

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a formation that worked for them earlier on in the season. In

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particular, with the two attackers. However you want to describe it. I

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don't think he was as dynamic as last season. I don't think he

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contributed like you did last season. The other interesting thing

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for me, the choice of right back, you have all of them on the bench. I

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think they could be signing a right back next season. That raised

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eyebrows. I can't second-guess it. You can't underestimate his great

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finish. Great to see him back again. Overcoming injuries because of the

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terrible to see. He didn't know he was going to get injured next season

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and that's laying down a marker. We talk about pragmatic managers and

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his very artistic manager, Pep Guardiola. It's taken them a lot of

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time, longer than he is imagined. He knows how tough it is in the Premier

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League. Next year he will say this is what we need to do. The way he

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celebrated son of the crowd, his whole motion with it, I think he was

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a bit cold, scientific early on but he's at home now and has got his

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place. And the forward line was so good. Young players up front, so

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quick, so good together. When you look at the stories of Sergio Aguero

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today, you wonder whether he will look in the middle of that three and

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keep him there. There is maybe a door opening for other clubs. That's

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an interesting decision. It is the Sun newspaper and the Sunday Times

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who say United or Jose Mourinho want Sergio Aguero. Do you believe it? Do

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you envisage any way that could happen? I believe they want him and

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they don't think it could happen. Jose Mourinho was quite happy with

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it at this that he wants him because he can't lose. Exposes the

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situation. The Sunday Times article also said Joe Hart. It's almost like

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he's mischievously going after them. Guy probably knows what his stats

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are. They are not bad. I just feel he's been working. The strikers he

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has had at Bayern Munich, he wants more from Sergio Aguero and is not

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satisfied. Is on trial there. He's more of a Jose Mourinho striker. Are

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you saying you have a doubt about Sergio Aguero? The manager

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definitely once more from him. He's not happy with their return. He

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wants someone who can punish teams more, a marksman in front of goal.

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It's the big teams, is absolutely brilliant against them. There's no

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difference between this record against top than the rest and Man

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City want to win the league, the Champions League, that's invaluable.

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It's not the only thing. Apart from Messi Andrew Nadeau, there cannot be

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many with a better record. He has a high percentage and he does need the

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chances. There was an article for the Daily Mail and I was astounded

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that the number of chances he needs to score a goal... Like Zlatan

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Ibrahimovic. This message says, when will Crystal Palace get a decent

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defenders? It was crazy. One final thing is on the relegation battle,

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Palace at home to Hull City and Swansea go to Sunderland. Would you

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care to predict? Don't you raise your eyebrows at me! I cannot do

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predictions, you have no idea. I would say in the greatest danger,

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Hull, but I would not put it past them to go and win at Palace. The

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Palace at home, Middlesbrough and Sunderland have won fewer games at

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home and Palace had been beaten at home I3 macro and Sunderland and

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Swansea. If they lose that game, I think they will go down. It is a

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dangerous situation. We're talking about Tottenham, Hull at home to

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Tottenham, that is second, that is boxed. The Palace home record... I

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think Palace it will be fine. That game is huge. I was at the Burnley

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and Palace gained recently at Selhurst Park and I could not

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believe how Paul Palace were on the day, Burnley were magnificent and

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they worked hard. It goes back to the expectation of the home game,

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with teams around you in a relegation battle and three times

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Swansea and Burnley and Sunderland have gone up. Swansea are the

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underdogs, which suits them. We don't know! In the Championship,

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Blackburn two, Brentford zero. Birmingham City are winning at

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Bristol City by 1-0 and goalless between Nottingham Forest and

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Ipswich. So that means Nottingham Forest are going down. Blackburn and

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Birmingham would be safe. There is an early goal in the Scottish

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Premiership. Partick Thistle against Rangers. Partick Thistle leading by

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1-0. Fantastic news! Who's good at? Do one. He has good four goals now.

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-- he has scored. He would think you would be such an expert? Nobody

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knows that back home! This is worrying for Forest fans, which is

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an understatement. Deeply worrying, the club could be taken over by new

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ownership, to go down to League One is so difficult to get out of. What

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a situation! Such a great club, Nottingham Forest, I was brought up

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watching them play and how they managed to win two European cups.

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Brian Clough, everything he did for that club. You go into the boardroom

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and receive trophies, it is remarkable, to see the demise of a

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club. The same argument for Blackburn and for Birmingham City,

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you could have. All three of them, they are huge clubs and to go down

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to the third tier, something has gone badly wrong everywhere. Back to

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the Premier League. The Premier League's lunchtime

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kick-off sees Liverpool, Steve Wilson's at Anfield

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for Match of the Day 2. Thank you at Anfield, the Anfield

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Road stand behind me which this week Liverpool have reaffirmed their

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intention to develop, it would take capacity to over 60,000, but today

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we are talking about Liverpool and Southampton with Jason McAteer.

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Results have fallen for Liverpool last weekend, back in our hands

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again, will they kick on and get in the top four? I do not think they

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will let it slip today against Southampton, they came unstuck

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against Southampton in the League Cup. They will get its done today,

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the results last week but pressure on them going to Watford with great

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performance, real resilience, they got in front and they held out which

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we have seen Liverpool not to do this season. They have got the

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opportunity in our hands. I think they will hold onto it and get over

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the line. Playing first, Manchester United and Arsenal will play later,

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that is a great incentive for Liverpool to get three points and I

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think they can get it done. It is strange Liverpool have been wasteful

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with points at Anfield. They put in strong performances away from home

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but they have dropped points against teams you wouldn't expect them to

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drop points to. Yes, you would talk about the Crystal Palace

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performance, they got in front and it looks great because I do think

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they came up here for a point and based -- and they made it difficult

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to break them down. You got the free kick from Philippe Coutinho and you

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felt the impetus was to score more but they got done with two bad

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pieces of defending, 2-1. A bit of complacency slipped into their

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performance that day and the nerves were jangling. And they lost the

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game. The questions remain about the character and can they do it? I

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think the performers away to Watford surprised critics and shut people

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up. Given the opportunity to go on and get the result today, that would

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secure a top four finish. Southampton have played Liverpool

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three times this season and have not conceded a goal against Liverpool.

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If Liverpool did not finish top four, Kloop is very popular and

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charismatic, but if they miss out, how do we assess the season? I think

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it would be a failure. We talk about the first half of the season being

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fantastic and up yet's day when we beat Manchester City. And it was

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fantastic and we got carried away winning the league. A realistic

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approach after those disastrous ten games brought us back down to Earth

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and really levelled out the season. A top four finish is on the cards

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and we need to finish there, as progression for a club, you want to

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be attracting different players. The ground, it is the redevelopment, it

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is geared up for Champions League football and being one of those top

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four. It is pivotal we finish in the top four and anything other than

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that would be a disaster. It was a learning curve for Klopp, going out

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of the FA Cup was a disaster and he will approach that differently next

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season. We were unfortunate against Southampton that we missed out. It

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would be a disaster to not get the top four finish. Liverpool against

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Southampton in the sunshine today. 5 live's Ian Brown can

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bring us the team news. If Liverpool win our last three

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games, they will be in the Champions League next season for definite but

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they need to sort out their stuttering home form against

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Southampton today, who have won here in the League Cup and after

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yesterday, they are officially safe from the drop. Liverpool are

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unchanged from their win over Watford, so the dream is fit after

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overcoming his dead leg. Adam Alana is on the bench. Southampton make

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one change from the draw with Hull City. Ward-Prowse replacing Jason

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Redmond. Thank you very much. Jonathan, you've interviewed

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Emre Can this week. After a spectacular goal on Monday

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night. He has been imported for Liverpool but I have felt

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frustration at times from the crowd with him. He does divide opinion a

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bit with some firmly in his camp. There is an element that think he

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could do more. He said to me, I am only 23 and people don't realise

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that. Because he has moved around in his career and he looks physically

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mature, but he is still a young player. I was impressed with his

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mentality and he has a contract situation he is not focused on. And

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he was talking about the positivity that Liverpool will try and keep

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even though they are under pressure to get the top four Place. He

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sounded carefree and like Liverpool will take that into the game today

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and forget that record against the smaller teams. It is like a Stephen

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Gerrard moment when the player picks up the emotion and he plays with

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inspiration, Watford making it difficult and a piece of brilliance,

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scoring an unbelievable goal. He is growing into a man I did not know,

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and did not know he was 23, he is finding them the right position, but

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he is not going to be in the first 11 will stock is certainly a good

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position that player and international player and he has come

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forward when his club needs him. Position is key, he has played

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full-back for Germany and at buy in Munich, Pep Guardiola thought he was

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in a different position. He appreciates Klopp has put him in an

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attacking midfield position and that is where he is best. You do not

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practised overhead kicks but they have practised that run all week so

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in a bit of help from the manager. As Steve Wilson said, Liverpool have

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problems with Selt Southampton this season and I was at the League Cup

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semifinal and Southampton were very impressive. Yes, but this is a

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different time of the season and Southampton will have to not have

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that approach Martin but Everton had at Swansea yesterday,, not on

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holidays yet. This is a bit different. We were talking about

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pressure and expectation getting to players and I do not think that will

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affect Liverpool today. That club and squad, I do not think they have

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that mentality in this sort of game. I think they will win this album --

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this afternoon. They need to be careful with Manolo Gabbiadini at

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the top of this team. Talking about creating chances for that player to

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score and they will turn up today. He came on with a burst and he has

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not scored since. The two look at central defenders look suspect and

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Gabbiadini's movement on the ball is as good as anybody. There was a

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strange movement at the end of which that Watford game at it and the ball

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was being crossed on the counterattack into Matip which was

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crazy. Klopp is brilliant but it does have its drawbacks and that is

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what we are talking about. But do you agree that that pressure will

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not be a problem? I think they will play the same, for better or worse.

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There is no pressure on them with 69 points, they will make it into the

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Champions League and it is a case of getting the job done. You were

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talking about the age of Emre Can at 23, George Honeyman is 22 and it is

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only his second Premier League start. For the first half of the

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game, he was the best player on the field and David Morris said he

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thinks players get put into early. The reason he played so well was, he

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said, because he has been able to ritual and he has grown and this is

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the right time. Everyone is saying it Young Player of the Year, Michael

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Keane, he is 24, what is a younger age for a player now? It depends on

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the individual. A 22-year-old, but we do not think of Emre Can as

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young. We do not need to rush young players. But last night, we were

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praising beat anniversary of Michael Owen bursting onto the scene as a

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17-year-old. And on the subtitles, it said, I am a light loan. But on

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the subtitles watching Match of the Day! Let's go to the Emirates.

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At 4 o'clock, on 5 Live, it's commentary on Arsenal

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Is this one of the most low-key Arsenal and Manchester United games

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you can remember in a long time? Yes, it certainly is, you go back to

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1978 and 1979 when both teams finished outside the top four and it

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has been a long while since they have had their guts and

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determination of in Martin Keown Arsenal defender against Manchester

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United and it is a strange affair. Jose Mourinho will rest players for

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this. A lot has been made of the fact he will play in reserve team.

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He will bring Genk de Gea, Smalling, Marshall, Rooney. But I do think

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there will be youngsters on the bench like 35 macro, but still a

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strong but United sides today. The intensity of the old clashes to win

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a week, they are long gone. And on the evidence of this season, it will

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be a while before they reappear. Because of their involvement in the

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Europa league, is it more of a must win for United Guest, he has made it

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clear that is his priority, Mourinho, winning back the Europa

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League and getting into the Champions League through that route.

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He might set a model for that. It is make or break for Arsenal and they

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need to give this to slip up. On the evidence of 2017, they do not

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deserve to be in the Champions League. This group of players have

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gone as far as they can under Arsene Wenger is said he had probably got

:29:31.:29:34.

it wrong when he announced earlier this calendar year he would make an

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announcement in March, April, we have made that and still no

:29:41.:29:44.

announcement has been made and that lack of clarity has affected Arsenal

:29:45.:29:49.

and I think he would have players back today. Holdings could come into

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the right side of the centre-back and I would be surprised if Danny

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Welbeck did not come back and there is speculation about Shkodran

:29:57.:30:01.

Mustafi, he might be on the bench. This is vital for Arsenal, they need

:30:02.:30:06.

that clarity and they need to know where Sanchez will be. They do not

:30:07.:30:09.

think he will be here, it would not be surprised if he went to Bayern

:30:10.:30:13.

Munich and Ithaca Olivier Giroud moves on and if the two does not get

:30:14.:30:20.

any contract. This stadium needs those old Manchester United and

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Arsenal title winning at the matches back.

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Thank you, Jonathan. Birmingham and Nottingham Forest and Blackburn are

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all winning and that means that Blackburn would be relegated which

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come on their first-half performance would be very harsh, but even though

:30:43.:30:46.

they are winning at Brentford, because Forest in Birmingham are

:30:47.:30:49.

winning, they are back in the bottom three. Jonathan North Croft, if he

:30:50.:30:57.

does play a weakened side here, Jose Mourinho, whilst taking Jonathan's

:30:58.:31:01.

point there's a lot of international talent he can bring in, United

:31:02.:31:07.

aren't in the final yet, is it little dangerous? Playing a weakened

:31:08.:31:14.

side? Putting all your eggs in one basket. I think it's common sense

:31:15.:31:21.

that hard added maybe, when you look at United's position, I think it

:31:22.:31:29.

said Jose Mourinho up for one of his classic performances he has wheeled

:31:30.:31:33.

out against Arsenal quite a lot. I think it will be a fairly grim

:31:34.:31:36.

Manchester United today. Is made his excuse. He's got youngsters and half

:31:37.:31:42.

the team and he will try to nick a 1-0. Are you excited about this

:31:43.:31:49.

game? Not quite as we were. It would have been first and second. I'm

:31:50.:31:55.

interested to know what side Manchester United play. Marcus

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Rashford has been outstanding. We know Ibrahimovic is injured. I would

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like to see Danny Welbeck coming in. I'm interested in Ozil and will you

:32:09.:32:17.

work hard today? I know he's talked about his body language, but he's

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not running, not covering distance, he does not look like he's really

:32:25.:32:28.

there. I think he's demonstrating this is what your going to get from

:32:29.:32:33.

me if you're going to keep me so you may as well get rid of me. If you

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had a family with two children who overindulged, it's like that with

:32:39.:32:43.

Ozil and Sanchez and they have acted like children and it's become

:32:44.:32:46.

embarrassing. I don't think you can put two players above all else, is

:32:47.:32:52.

much as they are great talents. It affects the rest of the group and

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they would like to see a reaction from the other players. I think they

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have been too nice, too accommodating, and today that has to

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change because there's an outside chance in the Champions League. I

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don't think it will happen. There was an FA Cup in the distance, but

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they have got to turn it around and while Ozil is there, he needs to

:33:10.:33:13.

perform until the end of the season because, at the moment, I don't

:33:14.:33:16.

believe he's giving everything to the team. A weakened team, lack of

:33:17.:33:22.

intensity. Daniel Taylor in the Observer newspaper says this morning

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Jose Mourinho isn't really seeing Arsene Wenger as a threat any more.

:33:30.:33:33.

He has not mellowed his relationship with him but there are bigger

:33:34.:33:37.

battles to pick with other managers. I think that's absolutely spot-on

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although I think we make far too much because we enjoy it, of these

:33:41.:33:48.

managerial feuds. Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho are OK now, there's

:33:49.:33:51.

nothing going on there particularly. That of a problem that goes back a

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long time but it's mellowed because Arsene Wenger isn't a threat. On

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team selection, United will be as strong as you like today. I don't

:34:01.:34:07.

think that will be an issue. These guys are incredible winners of

:34:08.:34:12.

trophies. It is right the relationship is improving. If

:34:13.:34:16.

Richard Bevan has not been on the both of them to change their

:34:17.:34:19.

behaviour, they set an example to all the managers about how to

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behave. They are behaved very well to do it. It's difficult, emotional,

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but you have to show class. I think it started with Jose Mourinho having

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a pop eyed Arsene Wenger for many years. I think there's one manager

:34:34.:34:39.

that Jose Mourinho has a pop at this year and that's Antonio Conte. It's

:34:40.:34:46.

the only time he's done it. It tells you he sees as a threat at the

:34:47.:34:53.

moment. He's won the League Cup, Manchester United not interested in

:34:54.:34:57.

it, but they are operating above that level most of the time, and if

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they win the Europa League as well and the Champions League, it has to

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be an unqualified success of a season like you wouldn't have

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believed at the start of the campaign in his first year. They

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wouldn't be in the top ten in terms of entertainment, but Manager of the

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Year, Antonio Conte will get it. I think we all know he's doing a good

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job. I don't think it is stated in a. He's not an also-ran but his

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understanding how other managers feel when they don't win games. He

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maybe understands Arsene Wenger more. If he stopped going on about

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two games a week, something has gone wrong. You should be playing twice a

:35:39.:35:44.

week. If you stop for that, he would get more praise for what is doing.

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The whole club, as all of the top clubs, are geared up, surely, to

:35:50.:35:54.

playing twice a week and being in finals and European competitions.

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It's a bit tiring now, isn't it? He has done well but it reminds me of

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Liverpool 's plastic season. They are geared to challenge for the

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title and the Champions League and it's good what he has done but this

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is what Manchester United's real agenda is. It's a stepping stone to

:36:15.:36:25.

other trophies in the future. They're things he wants to win. It's

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not his fault he is in the Europa League. He's had a lot of injuries,

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also. One after another. Serious injuries, as well. Why'd you think

:36:36.:36:43.

United should sign Jermain Defoe? We were talking about Sergio Aguero and

:36:44.:36:47.

finishing chances and the story of United's season in the Premier

:36:48.:36:50.

League has been ten goals at home, failing to put away small teams, and

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I'm not saying Jermain Defoe would be a starting player, but if you

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think about Ferguson using him, and Henrik Larsson, an experienced

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player, it's a job United need to do against small teams. I can't think

:37:08.:37:12.

of anyone better to have somebody to play 15 games a season than Jermain

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Defoe. The half-time whistle has gone in the Championship games. 12

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o'clock kick-offs. Three side threatened with relegation at the

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start of the day. They are all winning for the Birmingham City,

:37:26.:37:32.

Nottingham Forest and lack burn took a 2-0 early lead at Brentford --

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Blackburn. As things stand, they are being relegated and Nottingham

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Forest and Birmingham would be safe. Newcastle are winning as well, by

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the way. They are 1-0 against Barnsley and that would mean, as

:37:50.:37:53.

things stand, Newcastle would be the Championship champions. Lets just

:37:54.:37:59.

touch on the Friday night games. Spurs losing at West Ham which means

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Chelsea, if they win their next two games tomorrow night and on Friday

:38:04.:38:07.

night, at West Bromwich, they will be the champions. Is the best way to

:38:08.:38:12.

look at this that Spurs have done well to make it last until now?

:38:13.:38:17.

They've won nine games on the bounce. They'd been quite brilliant

:38:18.:38:22.

but just not enough. They are improving, getting better, but it's

:38:23.:38:27.

one of those we talked earlier about the bottom end of the table need him

:38:28.:38:30.

to make sure nothing else matters in your life but being a champion.

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That's how it has to be. It takes me back to these battles with

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Manchester United. It's almost like an imaginary tug-of-war and no

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Chelsea have that rope, they can feel it coming their way and it will

:38:45.:38:47.

be an easy finish for them but, while you're in there, you think

:38:48.:38:51.

it's never going to end and you have got to give it everything you can.

:38:52.:38:57.

It's suddenly gone for Tottenham but they got to hang onto the players

:38:58.:39:02.

that got them where they are. I think they need a winner in the camp

:39:03.:39:07.

and need to go and buy somebody, big-name, someone who can say, we

:39:08.:39:12.

can keep doing it, trust me, one more game, Chelsea will break next

:39:13.:39:16.

time. They need that type of player, someone they can turn to in the

:39:17.:39:19.

group who's been a serial winner of trophies. There's no real winners in

:39:20.:39:23.

there who's got experience and I think that lets them down at vital

:39:24.:39:27.

times. I think we can discount as little notion they may have bottled

:39:28.:39:32.

it. That's nonsense. They are better than last season. The two big

:39:33.:39:37.

signings in the summer didn't work. But they are still better than they

:39:38.:39:41.

were. My worry for Tottenham is was this their best shot at it because

:39:42.:39:45.

Wembley next season, you never know, it might work for them. They may

:39:46.:39:49.

have overcome their demons but I'm not sure. I think it could be a

:39:50.:39:55.

drop-off. They don't like the bigger picture. London stadiums seem to

:39:56.:40:00.

be... Ericsson surprised me the most. He was very wasteful and

:40:01.:40:04.

heeded this last season. They were brilliant until now. You've got to

:40:05.:40:09.

hang in there for some even when things are going badly. They could

:40:10.:40:13.

have won that game against West Ham but it's fallen away. There was an

:40:14.:40:17.

outside chance, but they shouldn't be down on what they have done for

:40:18.:40:20.

that they need to do something better next season. Rather than do

:40:21.:40:27.

the age old who can they keep hold of this summer and who might they

:40:28.:40:31.

lose? Flip it around, and look at how they strengthen this summer? The

:40:32.:40:39.

club all around them are likely to spend more money than Spurs, and

:40:40.:40:44.

they've got to think about moving into the new ground. That's a

:40:45.:40:50.

financial concern as well. Last summer didn't necessarily work and

:40:51.:40:55.

it's about finding the right players who will enhance the squad but may

:40:56.:41:01.

not necessarily... Surely the starting XI... I think they can go

:41:02.:41:05.

and level up from Vincent Jansen. Maybe he was they could attract that

:41:06.:41:11.

type of player last summer. Playing it Wembley could be a big carrot,

:41:12.:41:15.

every week, the biggest stage in England. I think Martin is dead

:41:16.:41:21.

right, it's bringing in that mentality but experienced players

:41:22.:41:24.

cost money. That will be the big issue. And are their heads turned in

:41:25.:41:33.

difficult situations? We had this with Arsenal, the Wembley situation

:41:34.:41:37.

and then not winning trophies on the players want to go everywhere else

:41:38.:41:40.

because the grass looks greener. Keep them believing in what they're

:41:41.:41:44.

doing. They have a fantastic manager, keep him there, but he has

:41:45.:41:48.

got to be seen to be pushing that football club. They've got an

:41:49.:41:50.

excellent training ground and the stadium looks amazing but spend the

:41:51.:41:54.

money on the football side, something Arsenal didn't do, by the

:41:55.:41:59.

way. They did not want to go into debt. Speculate to Achaemenid and it

:42:00.:42:06.

could pay full stop Jansen and Sissoko, the club could be in

:42:07.:42:11.

trouble again. Nigel says Spurs are growing up to finish, it's amazing.

:42:12.:42:18.

Sean said the simple fact Spurs finish second and Arsenal win the FA

:42:19.:42:22.

Cup, I'd rather be an Arsenal fan because nobody remembers the team

:42:23.:42:28.

that finishes second. Get in touch. Do you see Chelsea winning the title

:42:29.:42:33.

on Friday? I think they will beat Middlesbrough. West Bromwich, I

:42:34.:42:41.

wouldn't go high stakes on it. It would be like Tony Pulis to make his

:42:42.:42:47.

way to make us wait a week longer. Making sure it'll be the hardest

:42:48.:42:52.

night of the season but they will do it, I think. Antonio Conte is

:42:53.:42:57.

ferocious in his intensity. Will they have a similarly big summer

:42:58.:43:04.

like Spurs well? Not as big brother Champions League new horizon for

:43:05.:43:16.

them and the thing is departures. Lukaku, does he fit in with the

:43:17.:43:20.

Antonio Conte approach? I think it will make it work. He's a player you

:43:21.:43:24.

have to challenge. He is now the top goal-scorer in the Premier League

:43:25.:43:27.

with Harry Kane might have got two or three on Friday night, maybe

:43:28.:43:32.

worked a bit harder yesterday, I think is that sort of player. You

:43:33.:43:37.

got to set goals for him. Chelsea and Middlesbrough is tomorrow night

:43:38.:43:41.

so you'll be able to listen to that game on Radio 5 Live and there's a

:43:42.:43:46.

special Match of the Day tomorrow for the Arsenal and Manchester

:43:47.:43:49.

United is on later. They will keep you across the Championship at the

:43:50.:43:52.

moment and you can find out who goes down. Me and Martin are off to play

:43:53.:43:57.

tug-of-war. See you next week.

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