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Welcome to Match of the Day two Extra. We're discussing the

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weekend's football on BBC One, Radio Five Live and the BBC Sport website.

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Coming up, we'll analyse how Liverpool so dominated Arsenal at

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Anfield yesterday. We'll ask what it means for the title race, with

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Chelsea impressing again, and Manchester City losing more points.

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And there's a preview of today's matches, including Spurs against

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Everton at White Hart lane. With us for the next 45 minutes are former

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Arsenal and England defender Martin Keown, Match of the Day commentator

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Guy Mowbray and The Sun's Chief Football Writer Shaun Custis You can

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get in touch in all the usual ways: we want you to get involved as ever.

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We are going to start with Liverpool's mauling of Arsenal. 5-1.

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Let's hear from both managers. Obviously it is a high-profile game

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and everybody is looking at it. The players have been brilliant. We were

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trying to make this a real difficult place to come and that is what the

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players are doing. It is a massive credit to them. We had a very poor

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day defensively. From the top to the defence, everywhere we were beaten

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defensively. Liverpool took advantage of it. They played well.

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We were very poor. Only our fans were at the races today for 90

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minutes. Unfortunately, we were not. We get asked about being title

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contenders and when you beat the leaders everybody will ask that

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question. For me it has always been about finishing the best that you,

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in the highest position. We have got your -- a lot of young players. And

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we have have young players. 18, 19, 20. We are a team that has a lot of

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growth left in it. But they are now finding consistency and confidence.

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If they work hard, they can get the rewards. We will see where it takes

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us. What kind of horse RU? We are just a fall!

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Can we stop the horrors references? ! The express said it was COPPS

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against flops yesterday. Brendan Rodgers talked about how hard they

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are working. Did that stand out? It did and in spells. Very similar to

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the last home game against Everton. I came out of the traps and flung

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everything they had at Arsenal. They stepped off the gas a bit and

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started the second half in the same pattern. They have got so much youth

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and energy in the side, Brendan Rodgers is using it to go hell for

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leather. It is working for Liverpool. They were superb. They

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were last night he was pleased as punch, you could tell. He was

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bubbling underneath. And Arsene Wenger was very honest in his

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appraisal. I was expecting a prickly interview with the Arsenal boss. But

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this time he held his hands up. Raheem Sterling took on some

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responsibility. Make it happen yourself, do think yourself. He is a

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good player. And Brendan says he is only young. But he is actually no

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taking on responsibility and believing in himself. We will return

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to Raheem Sterling in a moment. Martin, from an Arsenal point of

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view, what are the answers that -- one of the answers Arsene Wenger did

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yesterday was to talk about the 20 minutes, the dreadful opening 20

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minutes, conceding goals from set pieces. Does that isolate that 20

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minutes from the rest of the game? Yes, to a certain extent. Arsenal

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were caught in another storm at the start of this matter. You look at

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the emotion and energy at Anfield. Brendan has captured that. There are

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front players are of the highest order. From an Arsenal point of

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view, I know we want to talk about the game, but the real concern for

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me is Mesut Ozil. I know he is criticising the defence. But there

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is not enough energy. He said from the top all the way to the back.

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Arsenal fans are looking for more energy from the team. They are

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starting to look tired. The Crystal Palace game recently was very

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difficult. Not the best performances. Psychological damage

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to the team. They have to bounce back from this. Manchester United

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coming up in mid is an opportunity to get some respect back, first of

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all, and show the desire and arrogance you want to be champions.

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Do you really believe Arsenal players believe in themselves? Not

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enough players in that team have won big trophies. And there is only one

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left to won under Arsene Wenger. It does not seem they have that

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ultimate belief. There is an arrogance and a swagger about your

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play. Some of the games this season, at Old Trafford they did not

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play with that confidence. You have to believe in yourself. The manager

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can have confidence but you have to have it yourself. You feel Arsenal

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are building that. Yesterday a lot of people feeling Arsenal were not

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the real deal. They have got to fight back and your personality and

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character, do it out of adversity. People need to grow and develop as

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individuals. Mesut Ozil was mentioned. He is a world-class

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player. He has done a lot in the game. But again yesterday, as he has

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been in several big games, he was not there. The third goal, Jordan

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Henderson bullied him off the ball. He said on the floor pleading for a

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free kick. They missed Flamini yesterday. He is coming from real

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Madrid. There are fewer class players at Arsenal. He is the star

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player. Certainly not playing like a star player. In a big game for

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Arsenal, they have Manchester United at home, Spurs away, Bayern Munich

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at the Champions League, for those big games, when you need to play a

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certain way, if everybody was fit and free from suspension, would you

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have Mesut Ozil in your starting 11? What are you to laughing at? ! It is

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a worthy question. When you look at Aaron Ramsey at the start of the

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season, Jack Wilshere, Santi Cazorla, I don't think you can leave

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a player out of that quality without being criticised as the manager.

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Maybe it is right to rest him but I don't think you can afford to when

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you look at the fixtures. You have to believe in him even more now.

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Trust in him and get him to produce. The talk is about possible

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implosion. There is always a crisis at Arsenal. That is why he focused

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on those 20 minutes, isn't it? The game became completely different. To

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temper what you said. After they lost 6-3 at Manchester City, they

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had not been beaten again until yesterday. They know how to recover.

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When they get beat, they are getting beat. You have to give Arsenal

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credit the way they have bounced back. There was a crisis at the

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start of the season. The media seem to want to pick a little bit. They

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didn't buy anybody in the transfer window. They pushed Arsene Wenger

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into signing somebody at the start of the season. It is about keeping

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balance. They will be hurting today. They have to prepare properly for

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Wednesday. If you are going to have a bad day, have a bad day. Arsene

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Wenger seems more irritated when they get narrowly beaten. Yesterday

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they had to take it on the chin. He had no option. Here is Brendan

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Rodgers on Raheem Sterling. For a kid to come into the club at

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Liverpool at 17, in that opening six months of his time here, he was

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outstanding. He had a difficult period in the second half of last

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season. He has come back to the fore. I'm not sure there is a better

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winger in England at this moment in time. He is so fast, direct,

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dynamic. He also works very hard for the team. He presses the game well.

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He has obviously got a couple. He is probably disappointed he did not

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have a hat-trick. How impressed are you with how

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Brendan Rodgers has handled Raheem Sterling? He was not in the side at

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the start of the season. Very well. Raheem Sterling got into the England

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squad when he was young. I think he has dealt with him superbly.

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Sterling is showing a lot of maturity. He has taken on more

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responsibility. Brendan Rodgers has seen that. He is putting a lot of

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trust in a player who is very young. But it is justified. What is

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everybody say that genocide is the next star when sterling has played

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better? Has he played better? ! Sterling is having an excellent

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period. It has taken in time. The two players who stood out from me in

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their attitude, both during the match and afterwards, Raheem

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Sterling and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. He had a rotten

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first-half but he rolled his sleeves up and got into the game in the

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second half. He was very sporting, mature and eloquent afterwards as

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well. What about Flanagan? He has been pulling his weight and has had

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great games. Tom in Blackpool says Liverpool have to be contenders for

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the title. Six points off the top and they have to play Chelsea and

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Manchester City at Anfield. I think so. Why say they are not contenders?

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It is like saying you don't have faith in your team. Flannigan does

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not produce unless the manager believes in him. I like the fact

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they want to play these young English players. Henderson is

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another one who has profited. When Henderson joined under Kenny

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Dalglish, nobody believed in him. It has taken two years probably for him

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to come through. We didn't know what the fuss was about. He is also

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feeling stronger belief in himself. He is taking on responsibility

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again. I saw a lot of Jordan Henderson as a young player at

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Sunderland. He is a quality player. The attributes are there. I think

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the move to Liverpool happen this too soon. It is his timing, his

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runs, his energy is outstanding. Now he has got the quality. To finish

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those chances, to find those passes. That comes from the environment

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created by the manager. Brendan Rodgers is nurturing these players.

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Sterling goes out, he comes back in again. It is about development. Do

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you think Luis Suarez thinks it they cannot win the title? Do you think

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he is not thinking they can have a go? That is why he has stayed. Are

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we not in a season where everybody is playing it down? Yes, they seem

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scared to think they could be title contenders. Manual Pellegrini has

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probably accepted that Manchester City should be winning the title.

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Some of the Arsenal texts. ASOS Eden -- need to buy some muscle. --

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Arsenal. They need Adams and Keown. It is written there! Arsenal have

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ridden their local season. The majority of the team have no drive.

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Arsenal made Liverpool look like Bayern Munich. Wenger has paid the

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price for not buying in January. Mike Tyson sends one here, not that

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Mike Tyson, do you think Arsenal can bounce back against Manchester

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United? Yes. Manchester United playing today. Arsenal get 24 hours

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rest. Arsenal have done exceptionally well at home this

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season. It has just started to dip for Arsenal a little bit. It is

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about finding form. I don't think it was about Arsenal yesterday. It was

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about how good Liverpool were. Against Palace, they were not that

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great. The first target was a struggle. The same with Manchester

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City at home to Crystal Palace. Maybe so but I was expecting more

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from Arsenal. Keep the text coming in. -- texts. Let's focus on the

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first of today's games. Spurs against Everton at White Hart lane.

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We will go to White Hart lane in a moment. First, Tim Sherwood.

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The team that finishes fourth will be the ones that takes the most

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points in and around them, and that includes Everton. It is very

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important. I'm glad that the players think it is as important as I do.

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They will be reminded it is a crucial game. It could be a

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springboard. It is open for any team to put a run together. There are

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teams around that spot who can put a nice run together and elevate

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themselves. The top three are away, I think, too far for anyone to

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catch. Steve Wilson Zat White Lane for Match Of The Day. Do you agree

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with Tim Sherwood? Yes, he's probably right. If that is the case,

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you would have to Liverpool favourites. Liverpool are in pole

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position. They are five points better off than Everton, and six

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points better off than Spurs. Given Liverpool's victory yesterday, you

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would not want to lose today if you are Spurs or Everton. If it ends up

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being a drop, that is not great for them either. The onus is on both

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teams to try and win today. That will hopefully bode well for a good

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attacking game. Will Roberto Martinez be concerned about

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Everton's recent away form? Everton do draw a few games, but you have to

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look at their away form in the bigger picture. Where have they been

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beaten this season? The only places they have been beaten are at

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Manchester City and Anfield. That is not a bad record. They are missing

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some through injury. I think that situation will improve today. Gerard

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Deulofeu and Lacina Traore have travelled. I think Kevin Mirallas

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has stepped up brilliantly over the last couple of weeks. He has become

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a real force for Everton, particularly against Aston Villa the

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other week. At -- Everton have a lot of character about them. It is a

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mouthwatering one today. If there is a winner, they are hard done

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Liverpool's yields. -- they are hard on Liverpool's heels. Thank you.

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There is an interview in the Observer today. Some of the players

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are talking about how training has changed under Tim Sherwood. He says

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that now the training sessions are shorter and sharper. What is the

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difference for the players? My preference would be for short-term

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and sharper sessions. Why? There is more of a period when you're

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focused. You are trying to managed your energy levels. -- manage.

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Sometimes it is a game during the week. You do not want to release too

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much energy on the training pitch. I think he has simplified the sessions

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and made them more enjoyable, by the sound of it. Andre Villas-Boas was

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working to a set way of doing things. That is what we will find

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out about Tim Sherwood on the tactical side. We know he is playing

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two strikers. But the game is often won and lost in the midfield area.

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How were your sessions at Arsenal, Martin? I am wondering if this was a

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modern thing. I know that Gus Poyet when he took over, he made it 90

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minute training sessions? Sometimes every session finishes with a small

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game. If you are out there for half an hour, you sometimes leave your

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best stuff on the training pitch. It has all got to be done

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scientifically. They manage the players now, they track the

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distances they covered in training. The manager needs to know who is

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tired, who is not, and get the right energy into the sessions. Our Spurs

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a better team under Tim Sherwood, better than they were under Andre

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Villas-Boas? No. Some people say that the ADB was unfairly dismissed.

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He was unlikely to leave his job. -- to lose his job. Tim Sherwood will

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have to go into the job tactically. Bringing in a manual Adebayor, that

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was a good move. AVB was not using him. He has been a big fine for

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them. Do you think a lot has changed? I am not saying that, I am

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asking if they are better team. They are pushing hired up the pitch. It

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is not that anything has changed massively, but the players seem to

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relate to Tim Sherwood more. They clearly wanted him. Sometimes that

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is a problem, you like the manager. Is that always a bad thing -- a good

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thing? It will be interesting to see how he manages it. He will not have

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managed to much. He was the head of youth development. He will not have

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Dundee today management as such. This is a step up for him. I do not

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want to see him lose that light touch. The first few games in

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charge, he always had equipped. The next few games, more serious. -- a

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quip. He may only be there for the summer. They may bring someone else

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in. He may have to enjoy it well he can. I think you're right about the

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freshness, and the players sensed that. The manager is a mirror image

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of the team. He created the change, and he has got to keep doing that.

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The final thing about that article in the Observer, he says that Spurs

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got to be considered favourites for fourth, because they have

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experience, their experiences and fighting for fourth place. I am not

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sure that I follow that one. They have the Europa League as well, to

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get in the way. I will Tim Sherwood handle that? I think Liverpool title

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contenders. They have to be favourites to drop down into fourth

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place, if not. Let's talk about Chelsea. Jose Mourinho spoke to Gary

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Lineker on match of the game last night. His targets have remarkably

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low. I know that today we are top of the league, but I look to the next

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game. I want to be far from fifth place. When we are far from there

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and we have a Champions League position under control, it will be

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time to look to Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, to see where

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they are, to see the distances, and from that point we can start

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thinking about other things. But that this moment, it is too far for

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that. In the Premier League, it is very difficult to achieve every

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objective. The Champions League spot is clear -- is our objective.

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Step-by-step. We want to win the next match against West Brom. We

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want your thoughts. Get in touch. Why is he playing it down so much,

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Shaun Custis? He did this at the start of the season. He said, in his

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first press conference at Chelsea, I do not think we are title

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contenders. When he brought in players during the transfer window,

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is the said, -- he said, this is for next season. Suddenly you're

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thinking, Chelsea are really contenders. He is box office, but he

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is conning us. The Sunday mail today has Eden Hazard on the front cover.

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Jose Mourinho said that he is the best player in the world of his age

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group, to qualify. Of the 23 olds around in world football, he is at

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the top at the moment? It is hard to argue with that at the moment. He is

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certainly the best Premier League player in that bracket at the

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moment. It is the way that he drifts. He is a joy to watch. He

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dictates the play. Jose Mourinho is talking a lot of sense when he

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speaks about Hazard. He is talking rubbish when he says they are not

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title contenders. You almost start to lose respect for him. I get the

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impression that they face that the players see, it is totally different

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to what we see. I think he says to the players, this is ours to lose.

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Think how he treated Hazard. Jose Mourinho basically gave him a one

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match ban. He said, he is a good kid, but he has got to learn. He has

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always been known as a bad trainer. But he has seen the Jose Mourinho

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way, and fitted in. Jose Mourinho has identified the players in his

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squad that can win him the league. He is one of them. He is making sure

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that he can do the job, and he is now polishing him up. He is saying

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that he is not getting the credit he deserves, he is trying to get awards

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for him. It is a different message that we're getting on the outside. I

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had him down as the first Portuguese James Bond. But to be honest, he has

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not got a chance, because his acting is rotten. Lots of fans and people

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in the media are saying, here he goes again, we do not believe what

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he is saying. Do you think anything he has said over the last couple of

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weeks has rattled Manuel Pellegrini and Manchester City? There is

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history there. There is history from Spain. It is all to do with what he

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said when he took over from Pellegrini at Real Madrid. That is

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when it comes from. I think he has got under his skin a little bit.

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Manuel Pellegrini has been nothing but a gentleman since he came to

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this country. He is like a wise old owl. He did not let Alan Pardew get

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under his skin when they had a touchline row. But on Monday night,

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he appeared to be agitated after the match. I have actually felt that

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Manuel Pellegrini is pretty boring. We went to his opening press

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conference, and we thought, this will be difficult, getting

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interesting lines from him. But his team are doing their talking on the

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pitch. Manuel Pellegrini is probably thinking, I have got to get back to

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what I am doing. Managers are not there to entertain us. No, but it is

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good when they do. The thing about Jose Mourinho, and the line about

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horses, it was very funny, very witty. It was someone speaking about

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three horse race. That is he gives you. When Manuel Pellegrini came in,

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you felt that Roberto Mancini was almost suffocating the team. This

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guy is allowing them to play. I know they are without key players, but

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everyone else's as well. You cannot moan about it. It is two key players

1:27:561:27:55

for Manchester City for the first time this season. Three players, in

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fact. The stat we had last night was that they have had 39 shots in their

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last three games, but only five of those have been on target. With the

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players they have got, you would think that they have enough

1:27:561:27:55

firepower took. But they are missing Sergio Aguero. You feel that Chelsea

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have the feeling that this is ours. They are starting to grow. If you

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had your manager giving a different message to the outside world, what

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would you think, if it was a different message to what he was

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saying to you? I think he would have a bit of a chuckle. You do not like

1:27:561:27:55

it when someone gets something over on your manager. Ferguson was

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fantastic at the mind games. You felt that you were playing against

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him as much as Manchester United. Jose Mourinho makes Chelsea sound

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like a non-league club. They are the big teams, we are not up to it yet.

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This may be one of the best Chelsea teams that I can remember watching.

1:27:561:27:55

They have got rid of Juan Mata, so that players like Oscar can play

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regularly. One viewer has got in touch. Eden Hazard is the best

1:27:561:27:55

played in the Premier League at the moment. Robin Liverpool says, I

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think it is Chelsea's title to lose. They have got the better defence

1:27:561:27:55

than Manchester City. Chelsea have better defenders. They will win the

1:27:561:27:55

league. They are vulnerable and at the back, Manchester City. Bit of

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coverage today about Yaya Toure and his kick at Wolves sprinkle. If they

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look at that, they may have to look at what went on in the Cardiff game?

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It is Manchester City at the top of the league and it is Yaya Toure. But

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it is the same sort of thing. I don't think it is conclusive. It

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looked bad but it has happened so quickly. That must happen 19 or 20

1:27:561:27:55

times in a game. If it is going to be trialled by TV, let's roll them

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all out. You cannot single one out. If you kick somebody a little bit,

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is that OK? I think West Ham fans would be saying that Yaya Toure

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should be done. I think it was a petulant kick out. No more than

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that. Your point is, if you are going to kick out, do it as part of

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a tackle? I think you should probably wait a bit and make a hard

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tackle later. David Beckham got harangued by everybody from making a

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petulant kick out at the World Cup. I don't see there was much

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difference. Let's get back to White Hart lane for the team news.

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One change for Tottenham this afternoon. Dembele is fit again and

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comes into the side for Roberto Soldado. Andros Townsend is on the

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bench after eight weeks out with a hamstring injury. Someone he can

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bring on in the second half if you need to. Everton's defence has been

1:27:561:27:55

stretched in recent weeks. Seamus Coleman comes in for John stones.

1:27:561:27:55

One of three changes from their win against Aston Villa. Ross Barkley as

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dropped to the bench. Steven Pienaar and Steven Naismith, in Fredericton.

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If you are listening to us from Five Live, there will be updates on that

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game throughout the afternoon. It may be worth watching this back on

1:27:561:27:55

the iPlayer, just to see the ridiculous headwear being worn by

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the Spurs players. Let's go to the Welsh derby. Swansea against

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Cardiff. Before we get the thoughts of our guests, let's hear from both

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managers, head coaches, whatever their titles are.

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They could not have got much better. I was so focused on making sure the

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players were all right, I hadn't bought their head. Get the players

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prepared and ready. Get the Swansea way. I understand all that stuff.

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That is what I tried to put across to the players and thankfully we get

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a great performance. We going to these games with heart and head. The

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passion will always be there in a game like this. They got off to a

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great start. We have got to respond on Tuesday. Obviously is not an

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Oscar, but I thank my family, the chairman, the Board of Directors,

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the fans. It has been magnificent. I can't thank them enough. I guess we

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have to carry on the work now and make sure the boys take the belief

1:27:561:27:55

of this game into the next games. The Kate Winslet of football

1:27:561:27:55

management! Richard has been in touch to ask how significant the win

1:27:561:27:55

over Cardiff will be in terms of steadying the ship at the Liberty

1:27:561:27:55

Stadium? Very much so. It looked like getting rid of Michael Laudrup

1:27:561:27:55

was a big mistake, a few days before the biggest game ever, possibly,

1:27:561:27:55

against your local rivals. He has handled the situation beautifully.

1:27:561:27:55

He looks as though he is really up for the job. He is only a young man

1:27:561:27:55

and there is big pressure. He has enjoyed the day. He knows it Inside

1:27:561:27:55

Out, let's be fair. I think probably Hugh Jenkins will be looking to

1:27:561:27:55

bring somebody in with a lot more experience than he has. It is a big

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job to manage Swansea City. Having said that, Gary Monk made a big

1:27:561:27:55

point of saying that he knows the Swansea City way. Hugh Jenkins has

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always been very careful to make sure that every manager employed

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knows the Swansea way. It may not necessarily be a high-profile name.

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Yes. We cannot tell anything on one game. It is a local derby. It is a

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different breed of game. The players like him they with him. If you think

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about it, and in Rogers, Roberto Martinez, Michael Laudrup, blend of

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those three together and you have got a heck of a head coach. Is he

1:27:561:27:55

ready for it? They were surprised when Brendan Rodgers got the job

1:27:561:27:55

because he had not done well at Reading. But actually his philosophy

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fitted the Swansea philosophy? Absolutely. Gary Monk is another one

1:27:561:27:55

that the players like. Do you only have a short period of time where

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that works before he has to go into the transfer market? It is most like

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a young player, if you are good enough, you are old enough. Nothing

1:27:561:27:55

can go wrong for him to end up with this job. I think he would be very

1:27:561:27:55

surprised if he ended up with it properly. There is a suggestion if

1:27:561:27:55

he does not get the main job he will be part of the coaching staff. You

1:27:561:27:55

do want that it succession plan in management. White Alan Curtis has

1:27:561:27:55

been there throughout all of it. Do not like players to become managers?

1:27:561:27:55

They are going with their mate, Gary Monk. We want to do it for him etc.

1:27:561:27:55

I don't know how long you get a feel good factor out of that before you

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have to prove yourself much more. What does it say about Cardiff? They

1:27:561:27:55

are not very good! I saw them playing Manchester United earlier in

1:27:561:27:55

the season and they were excellent. Really strong, the crowd were Fred,

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fantastic. There was a feel-good factor. And Vincent Tan seems to

1:27:561:27:55

have killed it. I'm not saying that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is not going to

1:27:561:27:55

be a good manager, I think he probably will prove to be. But he

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has come in at a difficult time. All of the teams in the bottom three

1:27:561:27:55

have new managers. They were not in the bottom three when they appointed

1:27:561:27:55

those managers. He has not had the effect. Let's hear from another of

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those new managers, Rene Meulensteen of Fulham. Fulham go to Manchester

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United this afternoon. He says he has been taking advice from his

1:27:561:27:55

former boss at Old Trafford. Sir Alex Ferguson knows what I am

1:27:561:27:55

capable of and he is the first man to reassure me, to say, stick to

1:27:561:27:55

your beliefs, you know what you are capable of doing. That's what I am

1:27:561:27:55

doing. He said I need to stay optimistic, make sure the work we

1:27:561:27:55

have done is good. I cannot fault the players for one minute. Every

1:27:561:27:55

effort they have put into the training pitch. Day in, day out.

1:27:561:27:55

Does the managerial structure and Fulham surprise you? I'm not sure

1:27:561:27:55

surprises me. I wonder how long it can't continue like that. Rene

1:27:561:27:55

Meulensteen was brought in to help Martin Jol. A few days later he was

1:27:561:27:55

in charge. Alan Curbishley brought in to help Rene Meulensteen. He is

1:27:561:27:55

no technical director. The idea is that he's helps to sort out the

1:27:561:27:55

defence. It has got litre. That's Magid has got more leaky. I just

1:27:561:27:55

wonder if Fulham have got too many players of too much quantity and not

1:27:561:27:55

enough quality. They have had a problem shifting the older players.

1:27:561:27:55

They are an ageing squad. They brought in a player who may not be

1:27:561:27:55

totally fit. The thing that worries me is we have not got -- we have a

1:27:561:27:55

group of cultures and nobody knows who is the manager. If I am a

1:27:561:27:55

player, I need direct management. A lot of good cultures but there has

1:27:561:27:55

to be a leader among those men to give them direction. I think it is a

1:27:561:27:55

big Ascot for Fulham. I can understand, the Sheffield United cup

1:27:561:27:55

replay in the week, AIDS changes made, it is almost giving people a

1:27:561:27:55

game for the sake of the game. -- eight changes. It is another hammer

1:27:561:27:55

blow. What is Fulham's best team? See borrowing ideas from Alex

1:27:561:27:55

Ferguson? -- is he borrowing. You surely cannot manage a team at the

1:27:561:27:55

bottom the way you manage a team at the top? You pass the ball out from

1:27:561:27:55

the back, if you have a philosophy, yes. He made a mistake in the

1:27:561:27:55

midweek. As far as Manchester United are concerned, is it a big mistake

1:27:561:27:55

to let a village leaves? Either any current players are good enough to

1:27:561:27:55

replace him? -- are there any current players. Did you described

1:27:561:27:55

him as a quitter yesterday? I have a great deal of respect for him, by

1:27:561:27:55

the way. He is one of the best centre halves. It doesn't sit with

1:27:561:27:55

me very well that he is willing to quit the club in this manner. I was

1:27:561:27:55

entrenched in the Arsenal theme. You had to push me out of the club

1:27:561:27:55

kicking and screaming. Somebody would have to push me out before I

1:27:561:27:55

was told to go. There was not a contract on the table for him. Why

1:27:561:27:55

is he insecure about that? If he wants to make that position his

1:27:561:27:55

own, he dictates that by his performance from now until the end

1:27:561:27:55

of the season. If David Moyes had wanted him... Maybe that is it. He

1:27:561:27:55

has picked up the vibe from the manager. There must be something

1:27:561:27:55

wrong in that dressing room. Manchester United have had that

1:27:561:27:55

changing hands with players. You want that experience in the dressing

1:27:561:27:55

room. He is one of those. There are several subjects there. On who it

1:27:561:27:55

gets passed down to in the dressing room, you could argue that

1:27:561:27:55

Ferdinand, village are over 30. Evans is 26, Rooney, Darren

1:27:561:27:55

Fletcher... The next generation are ready to take that mantle. If you

1:27:561:27:55

keep him, how are you going to help Chris Smalling, Jones etc? Is

1:27:561:27:55

partnerships. David Moyes has said he would sooner play a young

1:27:561:27:55

goalkeeper than a young central defender. If that applies, keep him

1:27:561:27:55

at the club. He has never been the most mobile. It is nothing new that

1:27:561:27:55

he has lost his mobility. He is losing the support of his manager. I

1:27:561:27:55

think you should stay there and fight for his club. It is a massive

1:27:561:27:55

club. You only go downhill when you leave Manchester United. I feel he

1:27:561:27:55

has the necessary skills to play that position for a number of years.

1:27:561:27:55

Jonny Evans has become virtually the senior defensive player. Vidic Has

1:27:561:27:55

played 54 games in the last three seasons combined. That is why a new

1:27:561:27:55

contract is not there. He is missing too many games. Smalling and Evans

1:27:561:27:55

have played the majority of games. Jones not so much. I don't think it

1:27:561:27:55

is a big deal for David Moyes now. What David Moyes needs to do now is

1:27:561:27:55

work out who is playing there. Is it going to be Chris Smalling or is it

1:27:561:27:55

going to be Phil Jones? If you are a young player, look at Skrtel. Jamie

1:27:561:27:55

Carrigan has gone and Skrtel has been given the role to play. He is a

1:27:561:27:55

different player. Chris Smalling is slowly starting to build a

1:27:561:27:55

reputation. He has been a utility player. He has not had the

1:27:561:27:55

opportunities. Jones is a utility player as well, it seems to me. With

1:27:561:27:55

then you feel like you are a jack of all trades, master of nothing,

1:27:561:27:55

really. I personally would like to have seen Vidic with Smalling. I am

1:27:561:27:55

not convinced by Phil Jones. I am not sure where he is going to play.

1:27:561:27:55

We still do not know now. I feel that if Ferdinand is not going to be

1:27:561:27:55

there, you keep Vidic. You need to get to Old Trafford! Thank you to my

1:27:561:27:55

guests. Five Live for Manchester United against Fulham. Updates from

1:27:561:27:55

Tottenham. Bye-bye. The Six Nations

1:27:561:27:55

continues on Saturday with Ireland's massive

1:27:561:27:55

clash with holders Wales, followed by Scotland against

1:27:561:27:55

England in the Calcutta Cup. On Sunday, France

1:27:561:27:55

play host to Italy. The Six Nations - our fiercest

1:27:561:27:55

rivals are those who are closest.

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